WEBVTT - Draft Show: LIVE @ 2018 NFL Combine - Day 3 0:00:03.880 --> 0:00:07.560 He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Cowboys on 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:10.640 the Plot, your war room for insider news and draft 0:00:10.680 --> 0:00:14.400 analysis from deep within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:20.360 Valley Ranch, Dallas Cowboys Selection and now your host Dame Brugler, 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:24.919 David Hellman and Brian brought us. Well, it's day three 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:28.720 of the twenty eighteen NFL Combine. We welcome you to 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:33.400 the Indianapolis excuse me, the Indiana Convention Center here in Indianapolis, Indiana. 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:36.800 As always, you've got the Draft show with myself, Brian 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:42.000 brought us Dame Brugler, David Hellman. Boys actually saw some 0:00:42.080 --> 0:00:45.920 guys on field work today, try running backs, offensive line. 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:48.800 Uh what do we say yesterday I was gonna be 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:51.320 a Seaquon Barkley show. We did say that. It certainly 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:53.479 was two hundred and thirty three pounds what he was 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:57.280 able to do. Uh. I hope Cowboy fans are okay 0:00:57.320 --> 0:01:00.639 with having another special back in the division because the 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:03.279 Giants at number two, it's gonna be tough for them 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:06.720 to pass up. Wan wanna bet Uh No, it's too 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:09.360 early for that. But you think of Dave Gettelman, he 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:11.520 drafted a running back top ten last year, and Christian 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:14.559 McCaffrey when he was the GM in Carolina, he wishes 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:16.839 Barkley was there when he picked at Carolina. Oh sure, 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:19.080 well not no, no, he probably doesn't because he's no 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:21.880 longer in Carolina. No no no, no, no, I'm saying the 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:24.240 same type of that kind of back. Yeah sure, now 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:26.559 that he's in New York. Look, they want to hold 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:28.800 on to elim Manning. They've got obviously at the wide 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:31.440 receivers with Beckham and Shephard, and they have a tight end, 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:33.840 big time tight end and Evan Ingram missing pieces of 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:35.639 running back. You know, we could talk about the offensive 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:37.920 line and how ads and shambles, right, but you added 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:40.160 a running back to that mix. It's gonna help Eli 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:42.080 Manning's gonna help the rest of the offense. It's gonna 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:43.640 be tough for the Giants that pass on Barkley at 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:46.119 number two. Dave, you came away pressed with him as well. 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:49.280 How could you not? I mean, my god? He yeah, 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:51.240 two thirty three and he ran out on a four 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:54.720 four one yeah, and the forty one inch vert. So 0:01:54.760 --> 0:01:58.600 he's putting up dB numbers at thirty pounds, forty pounds 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:02.360 heavier than the average dB. It's it's rare that you 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:07.880 get a player whose tape is so good that all 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:09.880 of a sudden you come and do the workout and 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:12.240 then the workout is just as good as the tape. 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:14.520 Dane's been telling you for two weeks that that's this 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:16.560 is what was going to happen. No, I know, and 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:20.560 I trust Dane. I listened to Dane, and I I 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:22.880 I know snow my experience though how many times have 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:25.320 we and I want to get into this today and 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:27.359 this is but I wanted to give you guys an 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:30.720 opportunity to talk about Barkeley a little bit. But since 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:34.720 we'll we'll change that about how the tape looks. How 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:37.560 much do you trust your tape now when some guys 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:42.519 don't have the types of workouts today? Yeah, and that's 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:45.040 what I'm saying though, when you know, as a scout, 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:48.880 you're sitting there watching these players work out, and Barkley's 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:52.760 workout and tape is all tremendous. I'm sure the the 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:56.680 the interviews with him are wonderful and everything you know 0:02:56.720 --> 0:03:00.440 you find out about the kid. But what happened that 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:05.560 when the workout doesn't match the tape, where is your 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:09.280 commitment level on these guys, are you gonna let it 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:13.080 influence you? Or, as we always like to say, hey, 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:16.280 this is one part of the puzzle. Well, and how 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:17.880 are you going to trust the tape more than what 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:20.240 you saw in that field today? And there's several players 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:23.040 that fall into that category today every year. But you 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:25.360 do need to let it influence you to a certain degree. 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:27.720 You know, you can't just say, oh, I like this 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:30.320 player and his numbers match up, so you know the 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:32.840 numbers matter, and then his other player, well, the numbers 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:34.800 didn't match up for the tape, so the numbers don't 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:38.160 matter for this player. It's the combine is a cross 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:40.720 checking exercise. If the numbers do not match up with 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:42.880 what you expected, you go back to the tape and 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:45.720 you figure out why. If a wide receiver who you 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:47.640 expected to run fast based on what you saw on 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:50.280 film doesn't in the forty yard dash, which the wide 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:52.560 receivers will run the morrow on Saturday, then you go 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:54.000 back to the tape and say, okay, what did we 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:56.840 miss here? And now a case of this is Colton Miller. 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:58.400 I was gonna go, can I can I just do 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:01.960 cult Miller numbers left? Yeah, Colton Miller if you if 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:05.080 you haven't guessed by now, and I'll clude myself and 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:07.760 I am not a Culton Miller fan. The tape is 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:10.160 fourth round. The tape is a fourth round tape. And 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:13.119 there's some people though that have him, and I want 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:15.520 to say Mike Mayock is one who has him in 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:19.160 the top five of his offensive lineman. I don't see 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:22.960 that personally watching his tape. I really really don't. Colton 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:28.280 Miller UCLA is six eight six zero six zo eight five. 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:33.480 He is three hundred and nine pounds, thirty four arm, 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:37.560 ten and three quarters hands. Okay today he today. His 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:42.479 official time was a four nine five okay, twenty four 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:45.400 times with the weights thirty one and a half on 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:49.400 the vertical, ten one on the broad, ten one on 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:53.120 the broad, and seven three to four in the three 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:58.280 combs outstanding for the So now now, okay, okay, Now, 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:00.120 if you get a guy, if you get a guy, 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:04.080 and this reminds me, guy, Mike Mamula, Mike Mamula, I'm old. 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:08.240 I'm old. Everybody knows the combined story of my original 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:13.560 exactly exactly when the Boston College seventh overall picked by 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:17.080 the Philadelphia Eagles. Okay, I'm just telling you right now, 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:23.000 though you see Colton Miller's numbers that way, and now 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:25.520 are you going back and you're trying to fool yourself. 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:28.000 Oh wait a minute, I do see a little burst. 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:30.440 Oh I do see a little athletic ability. Oh I 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:33.599 do see a little string Or are you just saying 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:36.920 you know what he is? What he is? And I'm 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:38.800 going with that And I don't think he's a bad 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:44.880 athlete on film. It's more consistency, It's more there are 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:47.960 several occasions in pass pro where he just he looked 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:49.880 like he didn't know what he was doing. I totally agree. 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:51.880 And even if it doesn't matter if you have the 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:55.839 shuffle quickness, the lateral movement skills to protect the edge 0:05:55.960 --> 0:05:58.800 or protect inside moves, if you don't understand what's coming, 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:00.479 if you don't have those instincts, if you know the 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:02.760 recognition skills, if you don't know how to use your hands, 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:04.640 if you don't have the core strength, it's not gonna matter. 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:08.560 NFL rushers are gonna eat you up, through you, or around. 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:12.760 We need to, but it is it is worth going 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:14.840 back to the tape to figure it out and trying 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:17.279 to you know, we don't want to be stubborn and 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:19.360 say no on tape. It was a fourth rounder. I 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:21.839 don't care about the numbers. No, we reason visit the 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:24.080 tape and see if we if it changes her mind 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:30.240 at all. Does that do anything for you? Yeah, I 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:34.000 mean it it's it's it's like the Ultimate Catch twenty two. 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:35.159 You know, you don't want to be the guy that 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:37.920 falls for the workout warrior, but you look at that 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:42.880 and yeah, I mean it's obviously it's super appealing when 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:44.680 you when you see a guy that can do that 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:48.000 type of stuff. But I mean call a cliche if 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:51.880 you want to, I lean more toward tape always. Oh. Absolutely, 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:54.880 So I'm I'm not saying I know for sure what 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:57.680 to make of the guy, but I I do my 0:06:57.760 --> 0:06:59.880 absolute best not to fall in love with anything that 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:01.840 happens here. And this is where scouts earn their money 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:04.560 because you watch, no question, when you watch the tape. Okay, 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:07.160 what is he being coached to do? What is there 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:09.440 something that we can do that our coaching staff can 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:12.960 do that's gonna fix this? Uh, it's it makes it 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:15.760 tough because all these guys are coached in different ways. Uh. 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:18.240 At UCLA, they were asked to do different things than 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:20.400 they were asked to do across town at USC. It's 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:22.520 just and you have to figure that as a scout. 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:25.800 And with Colton Miller, it's gonna be something that every 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:28.520 team is gonna try to investigate and figure it out. 0:07:28.560 --> 0:07:30.840 With some prospects, it's pretty easy. You understand what you're 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:33.040 getting sae Quon Barkley. We mentioned you know what your 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:35.760 game with Saquon Barkley. Will her Nandez had a great 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:37.840 day and that matches the tape. I think you under 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:39.840 you know what you're game with Will Hernandez. With Colton 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:41.480 Miller a little bit more of a question mark. You 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:43.080 have to figure that out. Let me ask you this 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:46.880 did Will her Nandez today? And we know what happened 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:50.440 with when? Because he with the Singer Bowl and he 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:54.680 played through it. The laboring problem, he's got it fixed. 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:58.480 He didn't work out here? Did Will her Nandez help 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:05.080 himself enough? Two inch closer to say? With with win 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:08.720 and how you would consider Will Hernandez? Did you feel 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:12.160 like that this was big gap between the two? Or 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:17.080 did will Hernandez help him enough athletically to make you 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:20.880 feel like they'll wait a minute, here's a big, powerful, 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:26.160 strong guy that runs well. Now, he's got everything, He's 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:29.240 got all the little uh intangibles that you want. I 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:31.360 mean again, I could, I could read you the numbers 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:34.320 here too. You know he's six six or two three, 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:37.520 he's three twenty seven down from three to forty at 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:40.960 the comb at the Senior Bowl. Absolutely terrifying. Yeah, thirty 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:43.360 two arms, ninety seven eights hands. Okay, here we go, 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:46.079 here's your official time. He's running that thing at five 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:49.400 one five. It's a great time. Yeah, thirty seven times 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:52.800 at the bench, twenty four inch vertical jump, eight eight 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:56.439 with the broad, seven five nine with the three comb Yeah. 0:08:56.480 --> 0:09:00.560 But but did athletically did he do anything to kind 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:04.360 of close the gap a little bit with because when 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:07.160 unable to work out today. Not in my mind, I mean, 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:09.880 I think those were all numbers that you expected. Um, 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:13.760 did you expect the five one five from Will Hernandez running? Um? 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:16.760 I would say more of a five two guy, So one, 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:20.080 I was thinking five two five, five two seven. So 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:21.960 a five one five is a great number for him, 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:24.240 there's no question. But again, how many times you watch 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:26.679 an offensive lineman run forty yards? Yeah? Well it's one 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:28.920 seven six on the ten, right, and that's a great 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:30.600 time for I think that's tied for I think the 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:34.080 best ten yard core bit I believe. Well, actually Miller, 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:38.800 yeah Miller had Miller had one six seven, okay, and 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:42.600 then who else we O'Neill was one seven. The former 0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:45.080 tight end had a good day working out. But there's 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:47.760 another one I was gonna bring back to the Senior Bowl, Okay, 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:51.240 Isaiah Win and Will Hernandez were both there, right, Isaiah 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:53.560 Win was the best guard there at the Senior Bowl. Yeah. 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:55.760 When they were wearing pads, we're in a helmet, they 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:59.400 were doing football for actual football exactly. So as much 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:01.280 as I love Will Hernandez, he's a first rump pick. 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:03.760 I tweeted this earlier. I think he confirmed he's a 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:06.719 top thirty player in this draft. But I'm not going 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:09.120 to put him above Isaiah Winn or say that, you know, 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:12.559 I think what he is what we expected. He confirmed that, 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:14.960 And I feel if my team drafts Will Hernandez in 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:17.320 the first round, my team just got a good player. Yeah. 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:19.960 How are are you under the impression that there's a 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:23.080 sizeable gap there? I almost And I feel like though, 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:27.480 and I'm and the commitment level I'm getting I'm trying 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:30.480 to get here, is that everybody feels like that Win 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:34.120 would be a good pick at nineteen and and then 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:39.520 Hernandez and Thedez and Hernandez is a trade back option. Yeah, 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:43.319 that's what I'm kind of getting that vibe from as 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:45.720 a group. I think the vibe I get see and 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:47.520 that's I get the reason I asked you the question 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:51.880 is I think of both guys as like different answers 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:54.160 to the same question, Like they're all I mean, maybe 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:56.120 one's better than the other, but it's not a big 0:10:56.240 --> 0:11:00.439 enough difference that I think of them differently exactly Nelson 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:02.840 top tier, Sure, these two next year. I think of 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:05.599 both of them as guys like you're probably reaching a 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:09.520 little bit at nineteen, but first round guy wipe out options. 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:12.959 So in that sense, I'm thinking, what's your favorite stupid 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:16.040 cliche ice cream? Ice cream? Ice cream? It's like, Okay, 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:18.680 you think Hernandez is better than when I think wins 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:21.440 better than Hernandez. But at the same you're getting basically 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:23.000 the same thing with either one. Are you getting the 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:26.000 same player day Maybe not the same player, but the 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:27.560 same thing, you know what I mean? Like I said, 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:29.360 I think they're both in that second tier of guards. 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:32.400 You know, both are deserving your first round consideration, and 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:35.000 I think they're both wipeout options where there are other 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:37.600 directions I'd like to go. But if I'm only left 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:40.000 with the guards and if Yeah, the reason why I'm 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:41.840 bringing all this up today is because we did see 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:43.880 these guys work out. Yeah. I know, I'm not just 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:46.000 saying no, I'm not just trying to hammer the Cowboys 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:48.320 have to take a guard. I'm just telling you because 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:51.320 of the guys that worked out today, why that we're 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:53.880 having this discussion right here. You know, that's that's a 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:56.120 big part of it. H And you know, I think 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:58.439 we're gonna see it throughout the week with quarterbacks and 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:02.400 wide receivers tomorrow, yeah, defensive line and linebackers uh the 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:05.400 next day, and then finishing with the secondary players. It's 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:06.959 gonna be interesting to see. I mean, it's kind of 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:08.880 unfair to I think that Isaiah win since he's not, 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:10.680 he hasn't be able to order out. That's why I 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:13.040 was asking, though, did you sometimes out of side? Out 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:15.040 of mind at least? And you're right about the Senior 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:17.160 Bowl stuff. You are right about that, But I'm just 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:20.480 saying for the athletic testing part of it, you know 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:22.640 that you're you're right about the pads and the helm 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:25.520 and all. I get that, But the athletic testing did it? 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:28.319 Did her did her Nandez? Again? I just keep kind 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:30.240 of my mind feeling like though that we felt like 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:35.720 that Hernandez was more they twenty six, twenty seven, twenty 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:39.000 eight kind of guy as opposed to a nineteen guy. Bugler, 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:40.720 I'll tell you he'd never wanted either one of them 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:44.160 at nineteen. That's been a consistent and again we're talking 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:47.360 about that now as you know the wipeout option and 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:50.800 all that. Could you envision a scenario where will her 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:56.000 Nandez is the nineteenth best player in this draft? No, 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:58.000 I couldn't. Okay, Well, then there there we go. I 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:01.720 what about Isaiah Win? I think you could? You could 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:03.880 you could get me to say that yet, right, Okay, 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:05.680 so there is a little bit of a separation. But 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:08.680 and will Hernandez had a great day. I'm trying to 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:10.640 I'm trying to see, Yeah, I'm trying to say, did 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:14.080 will Hernandez do enough in in on the field for 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:17.800 scouts to elevate himself instead of being a thirty guy 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:21.760 to being a considering a twenty twenty one, twenty two 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:24.280 kind of those and the fans asking what it's the difference. 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:27.400 I think it's consistency. With Isaiah Winn, he is consistent, 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:30.680 You're getting the same player each rep. He's very balanced 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:33.520 at the point of contact. And then you have a 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:37.720 Will Hernandez who is a lot of times he's very aggressive, 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:40.079 but a lot of times he will get off balance. Right. 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:42.000 He just doesn't have the same level of consistency. I 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:44.240 think Will Hernandez is gonna be a long time pro 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:46.480 in this league, a very good player, a top thirty 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:48.680 player in this draft. I just prefer Win because of 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:50.880 that consistency. Let me ask you this. I mean, you 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:54.800 said yourself, we've beaten guard into the ground. We have, dude, 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:56.560 and I know we just talked about but we're talking 0:13:56.559 --> 0:14:00.559 about names. We just talked about Colton Miller, Right, Did 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:03.960 any of these tackles drastically change your opinion about them 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:05.800 for a good or for bad? I'm obviously we could 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:08.679 talk about Orlando Brown. I'll tell you one thing. Terrell 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:13.320 Crosby from Oregon, I was expecting to have a better day. Yeah, 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:15.719 I was really expecting to him to have a better day. 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:18.319 I always I even wrote it in my pregame notes. 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:20.760 I thought he was a you know, a light footed guy. 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:23.400 I didn't see a light footed guy out there working out. 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:25.800 I saw a guy and that it came to the 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:29.360 change of directions and things like that. I didn't see that. 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:32.400 I saw a much better player on tape than I 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:35.600 did working out out there. Again, it's the tape's really 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:38.160 important to me. But you look at his time. The 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:42.520 official time on him was five two, three seventeen times 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:45.320 with the bench, thirty with the vertical eight nine with 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:49.960 the broad seven eight nine in the three cone. Huh 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:53.440 A high number. Huh. I didn't see that. I didn't 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:57.880 see that on tape. Throw another one out there, Austin Corbett. Yeah, 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:01.520 it's yeah again, three cone. That's going to measure your 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:05.200 change of direction skills, your ability to quickly redirect your momentum, 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:08.320 and that's something Those are high numbers you want for 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:12.120 an offensive lineman. You want below seven point five, closer 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:14.520 to seven point two. Yeah, that's what we got from 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:16.760 a few of these guys. But you know, and we 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:18.880 have to touch on Orlando Brown real quick. Sure, a 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:22.160 player who I mentioned this yesterday. You were absolutely right, 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:23.560 and he did not have to come here and be 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:25.880 the best athlete, right, he just couldn't be the worst, 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:29.000 and he was the worst. I mean he hit historical 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:31.640 lows and some of these some of these drills, not 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:33.760 only the forty yard dash, which it is what it 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:36.440 is for offensive linemen, but you look at the vertical, 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:39.200 you look at the broad jump, Brian, you got those 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:40.880 numbers for any it's nineteen and a half in the 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:43.560 I was gonna let you finish up there. Yeah. The 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:46.520 official time on him was five eight five in forty 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:51.120 and forty fifth worst ever. Fourteen on the bench, nineteen 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:54.320 five on the vertical, nineteen and a half inches on 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:57.640 the vertical, six ten on the broad jump, seven eight 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:00.360 seven on the three cone. Well, at least his street 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:03.920 cone was in line with Corbett, who we just kind 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:06.880 of talked about thought had a decent damn mean, he 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:09.960 was five one five in the forty And I think 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:11.960 Orlando Brown's a guy that even if you go back 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:14.640 to the tape, like I don't think it's we knew 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:16.880 he's not a great athlete. He's a heavy footed athlete. Yes, 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:19.520 you just have to kind of trust the tape. You 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:21.640 have to see that. That's what I'm saying. But that's 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:23.480 where it gets scary, because you're talking about the Big 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:26.800 twelve where they play a little different brand of foot sure, um, 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:29.760 and you know he has the wide hips and the 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:32.440 huge wingspan where he can compensate for that lack of 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:37.160 lateral quickness. But against NFL rushers, it's a big difference 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:39.240 than what he face in the Big twelve. Will he 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:42.120 be able to compensate in the same ways that it's 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:45.080 gonna be tough to stay on him? Okay? Does he 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:48.920 go from say a two three on boards to be 0:16:49.000 --> 0:16:52.360 in a five six? I don't mean does that? Does 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:55.080 his workout drop him that much? You can't if you 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:56.800 if you like a player that much to put him 0:16:56.800 --> 0:16:58.680 in a two three, you can't drop him that much 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:01.280 just based on a work he had that conversation off 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:03.080 the air, both y all said you had second round 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:05.880 grades on him heading into this. Yeah, I And as 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:09.360 bad as it was, I can't imagine dropping a guy 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:12.520 that far. Maybe I'm not. I'm not gonna touch him. 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:15.040 I'm not gonna touch him, and I'll be stubborn about 0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:18.800 that because again, that tape means something to me. But 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:21.600 I understand, I understand the historic low number. You're not 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:24.320 gonna touch him on your board. Not you wouldn't draft him, No, no, yeah, no, 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:26.000 on my board. On my board, I'm gonna you know, 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:27.919 I've got some other guys on my board that are 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:29.919 ahead of him, sure, you know, and I think we 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:33.159 all do. And I look at my board. Williams actually 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:36.080 have O'Neill ahead of him from Pitt had a great day, yeah, 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:38.879 and then and then Brown, So he's tom he's more 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:40.760 like a two three. That's why I brought it up. 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:42.920 You've got Brian O'Neil ahead of him. I'm jump I'm 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:44.640 gonna jump the gun because we had a question about 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:46.679 him because he had such a good day. Because that 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:50.280 first round for you, no, no second Williams, O'Neill, and 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:52.359 Brown were all second round grades for me. Yeah, And 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:55.000 I think at the Senior Bowl we saw why with O'Neill, 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:57.960 as athletic as he is, he's got some power issue. 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:00.040 He's got some real power issues. And so that's the 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:02.680 the functional power something that will need to be addressed 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:04.920 as he goes to the next level again, Nate, sold 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:09.200 are the guys you know that David David Bakti. They're 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:12.479 guys that I've historically ding because of lack of strength, 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:15.440 and all of a sudden, what happens. They play ten 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:17.920 years in this league and it's not And I'm not 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:20.119 trying to compare. I'm not trying to pair O'Neil, but 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:23.199 it's happened to me before and we both agree as 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:25.040 the second round player. Yeah, and so it's not like 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:27.880 we dislike him. We like him. Um, we just don't 0:18:27.880 --> 0:18:30.639 want to overcompensate with what he did today because we 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:32.800 know he's a good athlete. We expected that. Again, he 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:35.000 was a tight end when he arrived at Pitt They 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:38.320 moved in the offensive line. He's made that transition, but 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:42.240 he does need to strengthen his core, his upper body 0:18:42.640 --> 0:18:45.680 and figure out ways how he can compensate for his 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:48.120 lack of strength with some of that athleticism. Twenty two 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:51.760 times with the weights. That's one more than you know, 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:54.719 the guys I just mentioned, right, You guys are disappointing 0:18:54.800 --> 0:18:58.280 me a lot right now on what I'm just I'm 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:01.000 just desperately looking for people to go ahead of the 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:03.840 Cowboys at nineteen and I wanted to tackle to vault 0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:06.639 into that conversation with a great day. Hey all are 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:09.840 telling me it didn't happen Colton Miller. Well from yeah, 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:13.720 people could fall in love with Colton Miller at all. 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:17.480 If Colton Miller went in the top eighteen picks, make it, yes, okay, 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:20.040 be shocked at all? What did you say your grade was? 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:22.440 We both game a fourth round grade base on the tape. 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:26.960 We watched him together, four round guy on the tape 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:30.040 just for us. Now, there might there might have been 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:33.600 someone else's chocolate chip strawberry. That's a hell of a 0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:36.480 flavor of ice cream. To say fourth round to first 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:39.000 and I get there. We're not moving them different. I'm 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:41.000 not moving But if someone had a second round grade 0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:43.720 coming into today on him and he did what he 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:46.120 did on the field, I could see him. All these 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:48.960