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Speaker 1: Update for our pod meets World listeners, and not just

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Speaker 1: update for our pod meets World listeners, update for Writer

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Speaker 1: and Will. I recently read an entry from teenage Danielle's

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Speaker 1: embarrassing diary, and there was a bit of a mystery

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Speaker 1: because it was ps I love Landon and Writer and David,

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Speaker 1: and we didn't know who David was. Leave it to

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Speaker 1: our eagle eared listeners. Dear dear listeners who know me

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Speaker 1: better than any of us in on this podcast do apparently,

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Speaker 1: who very quickly pointed out was David David Letterman. And

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Speaker 1: I'm here to tell you, yes, indeed, you guys are

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Speaker 1: absolutely right. The minute I saw it was David David Letterman,

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Speaker 1: I was like, yes, you're right, and you guys remembered

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Speaker 1: I carried around a picture of him in my wallet.

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Speaker 1: It was David Letterman. David is the David in question,

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Speaker 1: and I wanted you guys enjoyed it so much, and I,

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Speaker 1: while of course cringing, also enjoyed it so much. I

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Speaker 1: wanted to read another entry for you, and I thought

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Speaker 1: that this. I thought that this would be fun.

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Speaker 2: Just from the same year.

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Speaker 1: It's the same. It is the only journal I have,

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Speaker 1: and it's it's just this is it. So I have

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Speaker 1: Dear Diary, as you know, today is the sixteenth, blah

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Speaker 1: blah blah, to explain what that meant was going back

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Speaker 1: seven days in this journal, I've been writing on the sixteenth,

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Speaker 1: filling in my diary about really what happened on these days.

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Speaker 1: So every day I started, Dear Diary, today's the sixteenth,

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Speaker 1: but I'm going to tell you about the ninth. Dear Diary.

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Speaker 1: Today's the sixteenth, but I'm going to tell you about

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Speaker 1: the time.

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Speaker 2: Oh I see, so you actually sat down and did

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Speaker 2: it all like in one bread to actively.

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Speaker 1: Retroactively, but then also saying it three every day. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: kept it in the present tense, but then got so

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Speaker 1: casual with it. I just went Dear Diary today, as

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Speaker 1: you know, today's the sixteenth.

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Speaker 2: Let it be.

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Speaker 1: Just write it just no, okay, tonight or last night,

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Speaker 1: writer and I went to Japanese Food with Angel and Vicki.

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Speaker 1: Then we wanted to see a movie, so we went

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Speaker 2: I don't remember this at all. We're at Universal City.

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Speaker 1: Walk, Universal City Walk. We bought tickets to.

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Speaker 2: Night, which is something I would never do now, but.

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Speaker 1: We used to do it all the time and didn't drink.

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Speaker 2: It was like it was like getting caffeine was like

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Speaker 1: And I mean, here, I am out for a night

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Speaker 2: That might have been my first time having sushi because

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Speaker 2: I remember the first time having sushi with Angel and Vicki,

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Speaker 2: So that might have been it, because I remember I.

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Speaker 3: Spent more time with Angel inca.

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Speaker 1: We did what are you talking about?

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Speaker 2: You went to Amsterdam with him?

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Speaker 4: You were like on vacation, like yeah once for like

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Speaker 4: four days. We didn't hang out all the time.

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Speaker 1: Dear Diary, it's still the sixteenth. This is now on

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Speaker 1: the eleventh. Tonight after the taping, writer, me and Larissa

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Speaker 1: went to dinner at Carl's Junior. So wait, would this

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Speaker 2: So right up to where we are in our rework.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, Me and Larissa went to dinner at Carl's Junior.

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Speaker 1: But before that we ran through the sprinklers.

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Speaker 2: That sounds like something we would do, sounds like.

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Speaker 1: Something kids would just go.

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Speaker 2: Let's just be free. Then it's okay, who cares if

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Speaker 1: It cares.

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Speaker 2: Man, just got to do it.

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Speaker 1: These are these are or makeup?

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Speaker 1: Then we drove Larissa home. Writer couldn't believe I hadn't

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Speaker 1: So I called my mom and asked if I could

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Speaker 1: laser disc. Wait, she said yeah, yeah. Then we rented

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Speaker 1: floor and Writer was on the couch. Love ya, Danielle.

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Speaker 2: Wait, is this my apartment then? Or is this?

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Speaker 1: Well? Yes, because because I'm coming up to in a

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Speaker 2: No, so this is before this.

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Speaker 1: This is and you're in Seno house.

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Speaker 2: Okay. I was gonna say, why would you have slept

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Speaker 2: on the floor as a hardwood floor in my apartment, right,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, okay, and my mom would have been there.

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Speaker 1: Your mom would have been there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so it's not like you. And then staying

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Speaker 2: I made you watch reality bites.

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Speaker 1: And then I wrote the most nineties ever I wrote PS.

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Speaker 1: I also wrote writer a three page letter, no further detailed.

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Speaker 2: What is this letter I got?

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Speaker 1: Well, wait, did you get did you deliver said letter?

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Speaker 3: Did you get a letter? Did you?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I imagine I didn't write I didn't. I

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Speaker 2: I probably still have it because I actually keep all

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Speaker 2: I might. I mean I definitely have. I have a

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Speaker 2: storage unit of just what I call my memory boxes.

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Speaker 2: And I had huge, so many memory boxes, so there's

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Speaker 2: a potential that I could go through.

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Speaker 3: Do you have a storage unit?

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Yeah. I don't keep everything like you, but

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Speaker 2: I don't have you keep everything like you kept scripts

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Speaker 2: you kept. I only kept like handwritten notes or letters

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Speaker 3: Or now I'm dying. I doubt that Danielle would have

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, it definitely was. I never knew it

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Speaker 1: would have just been something about our friendship or something

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Speaker 2: A stabberom a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, here we go, here's here's here's another one, hey, diary,

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Speaker 1: Today's actually the sixteenth. This goes on for so long

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Speaker 1: with this. I'll tell you what I did. On the

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Speaker 1: we went to Angel and Vickie's house. We left at

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Speaker 1: at eleven forty five. Instead of going home, we went

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Speaker 1: Then we went home. I was in deep number one.

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Speaker 1: I lied, I said, we got lost. I told the truth. Though,

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Speaker 1: what what what what are you talking about? Weirdo?

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Speaker 2: Oh you got in trouble because you lied and then

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Speaker 2: told the truth. So you did eventually tell the truth.

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Speaker 2: I guess maybe or maybe we did get lost, but

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Speaker 2: it was just lost for thirty seconds exactly.

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Speaker 1: That's what I think happened. I think we probably got

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Speaker 1: tower where I used to live, I think so vaguely.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. It was on the top of the hill.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it was like a construction site based exactly.

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Speaker 1: It was like a construction right near a water tower.

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Speaker 2: And then I remembers said that, oh my.

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Speaker 1: God, ps, I'm going skiing January seventh with writer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we went on. It was a Yeah, it was

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Speaker 4: We did.

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Speaker 2: It was a teen magazine. One of the magazines consered

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Speaker 3: We were hanging.

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Speaker 2: This is when I just got my license then, and

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Speaker 2: I was just it's crazy the thought of like me

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Speaker 1: Yes, can you imagine just driving around town.

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Speaker 4: I never once went to Angel and Vicky's house, by

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we did. We spent a lot of time. We

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Speaker 3: Was that on the sixteenth?

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Speaker 3: It's been the sixteenth or three months.

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Speaker 1: Anyway. I was supposed to go to Boy Meets World

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Speaker 1: We were there forever writer, Angel and I went to

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Speaker 1: we watched something. Shiloh won his award. We also heard

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Speaker 1: stuff that Andrew said like Angel and Vicki are my

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Speaker 1: least favorite people pour them Andrew. Yeah, anyway, it's just

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Speaker 2: Wow, what a little window into our day to day.

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Speaker 2: About how long the sixteenth last?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the sixteenth went on.

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Speaker 3: Nineteen ninety five, was just the sixteenth.

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Speaker 1: I also have one that's so sloppy and it goes

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Speaker 1: sorry if this is jittery or sloppy, but I'm shaking,

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Speaker 2: It was probably because you were with writer for like

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Speaker 2: fourteen espressos. I'm like, yeah, man, doesn't characters make sense

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Speaker 3: It's so good.

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Speaker 2: It's like, nah, oh my gosh.

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Speaker 4: It also shows how little we all really hung out

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Speaker 4: sixteen and nineteen. I mean, it's like you would have

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Speaker 1: I'm probably still fourteen fourteen, sixteen year and.

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Speaker 2: I just turned sixteen. So yeah, yeah, So you were.

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Speaker 1: Writer December of seventy nine. I'm May of eighty one.

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Speaker 1: So we are slid a year and a half apart.

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Speaker 4: And so we're five years apart essentially. So you're fourteen,

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Speaker 4: I'm nineteen. We're not hanging.

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Speaker 1: Out, nothing in common.

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Speaker 1: Funny, incredibly anyway, it there's another entry later where I go, oh,

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Speaker 1: I had a really bad day today. I just wanted

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Speaker 1: because we had too much schoolwork or something. It's like

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Speaker 1: So it once very It was very casually dropped into

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Speaker 2: when we did the Beard episode. She's from Chicago, so

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00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,760
Speaker 2: she grew up with Ben and she came to visit

441
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 2: Ben and we became friends, and then we became pen pals,

442
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,679
Speaker 2: and we'd stayed in touch and we would She came

443
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,480
Speaker 2: and stay mad like three weeks at my house in Sebastapool.

444
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 2: I went and spent time with her in Chicago, so

445
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,399
Speaker 2: we would like trade summers at each other's houses. So

446
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,880
Speaker 2: this was by now, this would have been the third

447
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 2: or fourth summer of being friends, and I thought, who

448
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,640
Speaker 2: better to come with me than, you know, to ground

449
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:19,159
Speaker 2: me and to you know, make me feel comfortable like

450
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:23,360
Speaker 2: all this craziness. Unfortunately, Aaron was a fifteen year old

451
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 2: girl who did like to dance. Man was really into

452
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,440
Speaker 2: Andrew Keegan, who was also on the cruise, right, and

453
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 2: Andrew Keagan's brother, Casey, who was on the cruise.

454
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 1: And so Aaron.

455
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,920
Speaker 2: Wanted to go be a part of the the Sale

456
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 2: of the Stars.

457
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:42,200
Speaker 1: Hell yeah.

458
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 2: She was like, all right, right, are you really going

459
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 2: to sit in the room and put counting Crows on

460
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 2: headphones and cry I'm gonna go out dancing?

461
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,120
Speaker 1: Yeah? Totally fine, Yeah.

462
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,200
Speaker 2: Really healthy. Not what I needed out of a friend

463
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,640
Speaker 2: at that moment. Aaron and I have spent many years

464
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,560
Speaker 2: talking about this. We have come to terms, but it

465
00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 2: was really.

466
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 1: Feels like, maybe talking about this for many years is

467
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 1: too much time to have focused on this.

468
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 2: Yeah oh yeah, but you know, you know, have you

469
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 2: met writer?

470
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 1: We talk about stuff for years.

471
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 2: We talk about my feelings.

472
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,719
Speaker 4: We talk about feelings for years. That's how it is.

473
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,639
Speaker 4: I don't talk about anything. Let me start crying and

474
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:18,120
Speaker 4: talks about his feelings.

475
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 1: Arin and I did not talk about this subject for you, okay, but.

476
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 2: It has come up over the years. Let me put

477
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,120
Speaker 2: it right, Okay, we have come to terms with how

478
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 2: you know our friendship is, and what our friendship looks

479
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 2: like now, and what we expect and don't expect from

480
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,439
Speaker 2: each other. And of course, like it was pretty unfair

481
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 2: of me to put entire adolescent you know, self loathing

482
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,879
Speaker 2: and celebrity hating onto this poor friend.

483
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,199
Speaker 1: Well, to be fair, you you did mention that there

484
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 1: was a big difference between the first year and the

485
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 1: second year, and so you may not have even realized

486
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: how much worse it was going to be this year,

487
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 1: and what you were really expecting from bringing a friend,

488
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 1: like I'm bringing somebody I need to because you may

489
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 1: have then expressed that, like, hey, would you like to

490
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:03,160
Speaker 1: go on this crew with us? Because for me, it's

491
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 1: very difficult and I want somebody who's there with me

492
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: when so that I can remove myself from these situations.

493
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 1: And then she could have known that that was her expectation,

494
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: but it was a little bit articulated that yes.

495
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 4: It's also at the end of the day, probably what

496
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,679
Speaker 4: you needed was not a friend. You probably needed another

497
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 4: actor who was going through the same thing, who would

498
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 4: have just sat in the room with you and played

499
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 4: magic the gathering as you guys had to deal with,

500
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,199
Speaker 4: commiserate of all the stuff you had to do.

501
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 3: That probably, at the end of the day would have

502
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 3: been what you what you needed.

503
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 2: What I needed is somebody who didn't care about any

504
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:36,400
Speaker 2: of that, right, who didn't expect me to be right

505
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 2: or strong in capital you know in air quotes, to

506
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 2: be and that I could unwind, and that we could

507
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 2: sort of say this is crazy, this is insanity. But

508
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,880
Speaker 2: we have our friendship and I love you for who

509
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 2: you are, writer, and we don't You don't need to

510
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 2: be doing that. The fact that you're a horrible dnswer

511
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 2: and that you don't like.

512
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 1: You are not but you feel like you are.

513
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 2: The fact that you don't like this scene is okay.

514
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 2: But you were not a bad person not liking this,

515
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 2: because what I got from the sale with the Stars

516
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 2: organization was a lot of guilt, a lot.

517
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,640
Speaker 1: Of that you weren't participating, that.

518
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 2: I wasn't participating, that I showed really wait seriously, like

519
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 2: the company itself was like, you're not participating enough. It's charity,

520
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 2: so I'm not doing my job for charity. Will Like

521
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,919
Speaker 2: that was the problem, is like there was this sense

522
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 2: that that I was letting the you know whatever. It

523
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 2: was a different cause every year, but and I can't remember,

524
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 2: but let's say it's you know, child.

525
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: Diabetes, right, I am.

526
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 2: I am not owning up to my part of the

527
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 2: deal by not, you know, helping promote this cruise. Of course,

528
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 2: what I found out years later or after the fact,

529
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 2: was that actually none of the money that people paid

530
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 2: to go on the cruise went towards the cause. That

531
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 2: in fact, there was only one event that went towards

532
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 2: the cause. Yeah, they did as silent auction. We didn't

533
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 2: know that, right, but we didn't know that till after

534
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 2: the fact. But you know, in terms of keeping up

535
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 2: their brand from year to year, access to celebrities, videos

536
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 2: and photos of like young people getting to dance with

537
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 2: their favorite celebrity from teen b that is how they

538
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 2: made their money. That is how they kept their business going.

539
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 2: And yes, there was money going to the cause, So

540
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 2: I'm not here to like criticize them. Yeah, you know,

541
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 2: as like a corrupt organization, like an expose. It's no,

542
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 2: because I don't think they were ever, you know, I

543
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 2: just didn't know. Like you're just told as a kid,

544
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 2: like this is for a good cause and you will

545
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 2: get a free cruise out of it, and everything about

546
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 2: is about the cause. In retrospect, I'm not sure everything

547
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 2: was about the cause, you know.

548
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: Like well, Also, to be fair, it is a little

549
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: disingenuous to present the idea to a kid that you're

550
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 1: going to get a free cruise, because the truth is

551
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 1: you're going to work from the moment you step out

552
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 1: of your room until the time you go back into

553
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: your room at night. You are working for this cruise.

554
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: Because regardless of whether or not you are an extrovert

555
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: or an introvert, or you enjoy people or you don't

556
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: enjoy people, when you're famous and you have interactions with

557
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: people you're on you can't really be your true authentic self,

558
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 1: even if you just enjoy casually having conversation, but you

559
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: have to make sure they walk away from you having

560
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 1: had a good experience. And so you can't just be like, hey,

561
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,199
Speaker 1: I don't really feel like talking right now, or I

562
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,479
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about what you are talking about.

563
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 1: You you're in situations constantly where it is work and

564
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: the idea that they put your it's basically, your family

565
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 1: gets a free cruise. You work for that cruise every

566
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 1: second you're on it.

567
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 2: And the the partly because I was a kid, well

568
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 2: mostly maybe because I was a kid or a teenager,

569
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 2: understanding those boundaries and understanding how to set those boundaries

570
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 2: is very hard for me. And I remember the first

571
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 2: cruise showing up and it was like, you know, you're

572
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 2: all getting on the cruise together, so you're like with

573
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 2: the people that are paying to go and they're already

574
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 2: talking to you, and I'm like who, Because there's also

575
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 2: people on the ship who did not pay to come

576
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 2: on the Sale with the Stars crew. So there's just

577
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 2: like kids like would talk to me, and I talked

578
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 2: to them, and then like one of the first days,

579
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 2: they sat us down in the chair and said, okay,

580
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 2: it's your signing time. It's like, what do you mean?

581
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 2: And then everybody that paid to come on the Sale

582
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 2: with the Stars crew lines up and gets a signature

583
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,400
Speaker 2: on a photograph with us, and I remember sitting there

584
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 2: being like, oh, we're we're signing hundreds and hundreds of

585
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 2: autographs and meet it and people would come up who

586
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 2: I had talked to the day before, and I'd be like, oh, oh,

587
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 2: we're not like that conversation wasn't like a friendship conversation.

588
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 2: That was you because you paid for it, and now

589
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 2: you just want my autograph, you know, And it was

590
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 2: just like this awkward like which is fine, you know, like, yeah,

591
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 2: people pay for us our autograph and to meet us

592
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 2: at conventions.

593
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: I totally get that.

594
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 2: Relationship now as an adult, but as a kid, it

595
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 2: was very jarring to be like, well, I guess I

596
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 2: thought you liked me because we just met on that you.

597
00:28:55,520 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: Talked about being exactly, scarves and scarves or whatever, your pocket.

598
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 4: Leather bound journals and cool pens August and everything.

599
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 3: After we talked about all of this.

600
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was very disorienting for me.

601
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 2: And my favorite.

602
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: Pizza toppings exactly, he said, pineapple.

603
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 3: They wanted to throw them off the boat.

604
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: No, it is no, but it's also it's there's something.

605
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: It's so sad is.

606
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 3: The wrong word. It's too melodramatic.

607
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 4: But it sucks that it would because when you do

608
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 4: things for charity and you're obviously a very generous person

609
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 4: with your time when it comes to events, your community,

610
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 4: things like that.

611
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 3: It's one of the things you're known for.

612
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 4: The idea to then come at you where it's like

613
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 4: you're not doing enough for charity when you're a kid.

614
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just that's not cool. I mean, that's not

615
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 3: cool at all. So, yeah, that's that's no good.

616
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 2: Well, there's just there was this expectation. I mean there

617
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 2: was no contract, right, so there was just this expectation

618
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 2: that like, we were supposed to show up and dance,

619
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 2: like literally dance in front of everybody every night. And

620
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 2: if I didn't show up, which I increasingly as a

621
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 2: show went on, or as this cruise went on, I didn't,

622
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 2: I would just run away or you try, and.

623
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: You figure from the other perspective, there are people who

624
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: are like, well, I paid seven thousand dollars for my

625
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: family to go on this cruise because my daughter loves

626
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: Right or Strong. So I paid seven thousand dollars for

627
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: my daughter to dance with Right or Strong for five

628
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: nights and writer has not been here, So you get

629
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: you imagine the other side of it is they're hearing

630
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: from people whose families are saying, Hey, what's going on here?

631
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: Where's writer? Now? I just want to pose the opposite experience.

632
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: And if you're young Danielle Fischell, who will talk to

633
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: anybody or anything, will dance for as long as you want.

634
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: You put me on a cruise ship with hot twenty

635
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: year olds who I, at the age of fourteen or

636
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: fifteen think are so stinking cute, just can't get enough of.

637
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: I was in hog heaven. This was the greatest. This

638
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: was one of the greatest things that had ever happened

639
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: to me. My whole family's there. I love my family.

640
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: We're on a we're on a cruise together. The food's delicious,

641
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: it's NonStop, it's free flowing. There's fantastic virgin Pina coladas

642
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,719
Speaker 1: everywhere you turn. You've got your on and off boyfriend

643
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor Thomas there with you. You've got almost soon

644
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: to be crush right or strong there with you. Who

645
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: I was always like, why is he so antisocial? What

646
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: is this problem? I just get him on a cruise,

647
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: it'll be fine. I just ever know why it is

648
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: that he keeps hiding out in his room. It's so

649
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: fun and I great music. I was dancing I have

650
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: my friends. JODI's there with me. I think Christine Laken

651
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: was there. I was Angel, Angel and Vicky.

652
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

653
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: Still not sure what's going to the episode.

654
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 3: We're going to get into that money.

655
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 2: They got a free cruise to just really.

656
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 3: Because they brought They probably brought all the talent the same.

657
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: Way that we were the reason we knew of the

658
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: crew exactly.

659
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 4: Roller lads, and so they brought all the talent. And

660
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 4: I know you well enough now, Danielle to know that

661
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 4: they had you at free food. Oh yeah, that was

662
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 4: it for sure. The boys and everything else is just

663
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:10,479
Speaker 4: the bonus to the buffet.

664
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: They're like, guess what, it's twenty four hours. You eat

665
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: anything you want, whenever you whenever you want, you could

666
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: order it to your room. It was it was fully

667
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: defending your life. And I was so, I mean, it

668
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: was great. We have it's actually where we have the

669
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: picture of the great picture I've talked about before of

670
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: my mom sitting on your dad's lap and it looks

671
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: like I don't know what our parents were doing, but

672
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: they pink flamingo. They were having the time of their life.

673
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: And you know, there was also like formal night. I

674
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: think there were two formal nights.

675
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 2: There was like Western night, there.

676
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: Was yeah, Western night, there was there was hippy night,

677
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: Hippie night. I have a great picture rider with round

678
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: dark sunglasses and a blue head like a handkerchief on

679
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: his head that he and he, Oh my gosh, so cute. Listen.

680
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: It was the time of my life. I absolutely loved it.

681
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: I would go on. I mean, now I'm a different person.

682
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 4: I right, But here's what I would say. What writer

683
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 4: hated it and needs to try it as an adult. Now,

684
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 4: you loved it, so you should try it as an

685
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 4: adult to see if it would be the same.

686
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 3: And I've never been on one.

687
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 4: Right, So does Pod meets World hit the hit the

688
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 4: open seas?

689
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I don't know what it

690
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: would take in order for writer to do it. I

691
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: don't think. I don't think. I don't know if there

692
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: is anything.

693
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 4: I think it would take the the the intuitive side

694
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 4: of him to say I need to try this again

695
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 4: as an adult.

696
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: Well, it is obviously the idea of cruising, but without

697
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: the need for Writer to be social with people who've

698
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: paid for his time, right, he could he could just

699
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: be social with us when he feels like it, which,

700
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: as we saw in Vegas, sometimes he doesn't feel like it.

701
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: We write, Will and I both looked at each other.

702
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: There was one morning in Vegas where we came down

703
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: and Writer was just really in a grumpy mood, and

704
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: we were like, okay, well anyway, we just we'll see

705
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: you later. And then Red walked away and Will and

706
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: I were like, can we do something to offend him?

707
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: And I was like, maybe he's angry. I don't know,

708
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. But then the next

709
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: time we saw you ever.

710
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, here you know the real like the problem with

711
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 2: the cruise back then it was so awful. It's like

712
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 2: it's a thing of once once I you know, once

713
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 2: I reject the dancing and the good times and all that,

714
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 2: I also still want to be accepted by it, do you.

715
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: Know what I mean?

716
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 2: So like the self loathing becomes the cycle of like

717
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 2: you know, and that's why where like when Aaron was like, well, right,

718
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,919
Speaker 2: if you're gonna be miserable, I'm gonna go dancing, which

719
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 2: totally makes sense, right, only makes me feel worse because

720
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 2: then it's like, oh, I'm I've created this situation, Like

721
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 2: there is a world in which you just let go

722
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 2: and enjoy yourself, stop putting the pressure on the situation

723
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 2: and knowing that is just an awful cycle, you know

724
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 2: that I couldn't you know, get out of because then

725
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 2: I'm feeling bad that like I've been, you know, that

726
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 2: I've rejected and then being rejected by the people I've rejected.

727
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 2: It was just it was not.

728
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: Especially because it was before the age of social media

729
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: and cell phones, so you could actually just really let

730
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,280
Speaker 1: go and have a good time and it's just gonna

731
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: live on the boat. What happened on the sale with

732
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 1: the Stars crews stays on the stairs with the Stars crew.

733
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 2: I mean, here's what I ended up doing. I ended

734
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 2: up I did end up finding friends. Like there was

735
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 2: a couple of girls. I don't know if they were

736
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 2: part of the sale with the studart of Stars. I

737
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 2: don't think they were. I think they were just people

738
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 2: on the boat that I became friends with, and you know,

739
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 2: we would hang out and walk around and you know,

740
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 2: go look at the water and do the.

741
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: You know, just not deep thoughts.

742
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, keep thoughts, talk about poetry, listen to music. Yeah,

743
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 2: you'll find them everywhere.

744
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 4: Okay, So I got that you spent most of your

745
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 4: time kind of in your room by yourself.

746
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 3: I get it. Looking for the quiet everything, Danielle.

747
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 4: What are the juicy stories you got? Spill some of

748
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 4: the tea of what actually happened.

749
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't, I don't know. I was, you know,

750
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: fourteen or fifteen years old.

751
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 2: I met.

752
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: It was completely innocent. I just mean it was just

753
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: the most fun I've ever had in my life. It

754
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: was just a big groupangs, just you know, sitting around

755
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: talking with your friends, finding quiet moments to like share

756
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: private stories that you that you have to like look

757
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: around and be like, well, I don't want a fan

758
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: to overhear this, but and you know, sharing those moments

759
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: and then just dancing. I mean, nothing salacious. I had

760
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: a very you know, I wasn't allowed to watch nine

761
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: O two one oh so yeah, right, it just pretty much.

762
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 4: I feel like I feel like you think if you

763
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 4: could watch nine oh two and oh, your life would

764
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 4: have gone in the leather jacket wearing kind of way.

765
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,479
Speaker 1: It's pretty I do. I don't.

766
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 2: I didn't even girl, I might have.

767
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: Been I would have known what it meant to be fast.

768
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: I didn't even know what it me messed. I little

769
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: know shirt on. It was just like there was I

770
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: knew there was an alternative life out out there, but

771
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: I had no idea.

772
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 2: Whether it's Beverly Hills apparently something. I believe Shiloh is

773
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 2: the person to ask for those kinds of stories that

774
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 2: you're looking for.

775
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: A will probably there. Ye course, I picture of the

776
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 1: girl Shiloh liked on that cruise, who I think is

777
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: also the girl maybe Writer may have been friends with.

778
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 2: Non't know who you're talking about, Okay, tw.

779
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, twow, you really knew immediately.

780
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 2: That was who Shiloh hung out with a bunch of

781
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 2: the whole time. Yeah, but Shiloh also had his girlfriend there,

782
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 2: what Emily? Yeah, Shiloh brought his girlfriend Emily. That that's funny.

783
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 1: Second year, I've got so many pictures from this cruise,

784
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: you guys, we're going to share them with you. I'll

785
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: get them all cleared with Writer because I know.

786
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I probably you could drink if you were in

787
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 2: the later National waters once you were eighteen, right, So really,

788
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 2: and I think Shiloh was eighteen or maybe I don't know,

789
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 2: So he was having a very different experience, I'm sure,

790
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 2: having a great time and probably just being totally an

791
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 2: adult in gambling and drinking and writing and dancing and

792
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 2: having fun. And yeah, I'm sure there was some some

793
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,959
Speaker 2: drama and whatnot, but I I was just.

794
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 3: Not not well, Yeah, you have to be on the

795
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 3: whole time.

796
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 4: And it's like, you know, when I did my first

797
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 4: convention ever, somebody told me, they said, imagine throwing a

798
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 4: party for a thousand people, a thousand strangers that you

799
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 4: have to welcome in your home every second you're there.

800
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 3: And that's what it's like.

801
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 4: I mean, because you want the first person you meet

802
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 4: and the last person you meet to have the same experience.

803
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 4: So you are you'res like Daniel said, you're you're you're

804
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 4: kind of on the whole time.

805
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 3: You want to make sure people are enjoying themselves.

806
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 4: And then you've got the added bonus of it's for charity.

807
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:38,439
Speaker 3: And then they're saying you're not yet.

808
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 2: Oh well, so the first the first year, the silent

809
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 2: auction what we did, or it wasn't a silent auction.

810
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 2: They like actually had people bidding live.

811
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 1: And making writer is from making out with writer, That's

812
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: what they said.

813
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 2: I think they did dinner with us or sometime.

814
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,479
Speaker 1: We said, Yeah. One of them was for like dinner

815
00:38:59,520 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: at our table.

816
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to know what, Danielle, what you would have.

817
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 2: So what we auctioned off. What we auctioned off, which

818
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 2: went insane, was we my parents were like, oh, well,

819
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 2: let's do a collection of all the movies we made

820
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 2: as kids, all those like The Great Toy Caper, Horrible

821
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 2: Haze Strikes Again, we you know, all these like Superhero, Cowboy,

822
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 2: Mystery whatever, we.

823
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: Had, the Robot one.

824
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 2: We compiled them all into a video collection and offered

825
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 2: them at the auction and the people went crazy, and

826
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 2: so it sold I don't remember how much, but it

827
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 2: was the most expensive object that the that the cruises

828
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 2: that had ever had, and like, I think that's why

829
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 2: they wanted those back. The next year is to do

830
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: it again. And the next year did not go as high.

831
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 2: But that first year, you know, when we we played

832
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 2: a clip of it and we said here's what it is,

833
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 2: the bidding went insane and people were just and I

834
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 2: remember this weird. You know, it was just we're.

835
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: Going to just give you all your childhood memories. For me.

836
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 2: Well, it was so weird because it was like, on

837
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 2: one hand, you're like, oh, this is great that it's

838
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 2: making money for charity and that the people are beating

839
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 2: on it. The other hand, this is something very personal

840
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 2: and it's my family, and it's kind of ridiculous. These

841
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 2: are like our little movies that we made us as kids,

842
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 2: and it's infantile, it's ours, and I don't know if

843
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 2: I want it to be worth I don't know, you know.

844
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: It's a double field. I don't want to share it

845
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: or I want to share it.

846
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 2: Maybe, And also I hope it goes for a lot

847
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 2: of money. I don't know.

848
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: It's such a charitable. Part of me really wants this

849
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: to be worth a lot, and the other part of

850
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: me goes, why should you care about this garbage? It's

851
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: for me to care about, yes, yes.

852
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 2: And it's also like, yeah, we didn't make these for

853
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 2: any other reason than for our family to have fun.

854
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 2: And they're also very personal in private. So I don't know,

855
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 2: you know, like and I still feel like all of

856
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 2: those feelings would go into it if we tried to

857
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 2: do this now. Not to mention my issues with cruising

858
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 2: in general, a crew a cruise in general, and those.

859
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: Of your issues with a cruise in general, well that's where.

860
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 2: You just get into like excess and consumerism, okay, and colonialism, Like,

861
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 2: I am not comfortable with the scale at which cruise

862
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 2: ships operate and the inequalities that you're confronted with. They are.

863
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 2: It is astounding. It is very uncomfortable for me. Uh

864
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 2: And I don't know if that I could be comfortable

865
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 2: with that even now, you know, like I just couldn't.

866
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: I mean, the interesting thing is that now you hear

867
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 1: a lot of stories of people who decide to spend

868
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: their retirement on cruise ships because truthfully, it is now

869
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: cheaper cheaper to live on a cruise ship and go

870
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 1: from cruise to cruise, yeah, than it is to plan

871
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: for living inland on land for your retirement.

872
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 3: It's crazy.

873
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I don't think that's great.

874
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, Frankly, I'm not a I'm not a huge I

875
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 4: like boats, smaller boats that I can drive.

876
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: You like big big planes and small small right. Isn't

877
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: that bizarre?

878
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 2: But it's true.

879
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, the big cruise ship.

880
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 4: I've never wanted to go on one. I've never attempted

881
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 4: to go on one. I'm not sure how I would

882
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 4: feel about being on one. So I'm joking when I say,

883
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 4: like I love the I might hate it. I might

884
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 4: absolutely hate it.

885
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 1: I have no idea you might also get sea sick.

886
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 3: You don't know, that's absolutely possible.

887
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 2: My feeling is you would love it.

888
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I don't know, because again I don't.

889
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 4: To me, they're like, it's like like fancy hotels, right,

890
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 4: but I don't like Vegas at all, and it seems

891
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 4: like it's like Vegas on the water, which to me

892
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 4: would be I.

893
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: Would not compare a cruise to a fancy hotel. I

894
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: also love a fancy hotel. And yet to me, the

895
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: worst part of the cruise is the room.

896
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 2: The room is sure, the room, but in terms of

897
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: like the pamp rain and the indulgence and you know,

898
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 2: I mean I like service industry at your like people

899
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 2: serving you and taking care of you. It's like when

900
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 2: you go to a.

901
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 3: I'm not a huge fan of that, Like I go

902
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 3: once a year if.

903
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 2: A hotel pool, you know, like that sort of level

904
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 2: of indulgence and like people just waiting on you hand

905
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 2: and foot and getting whatever you want delivered at whatever time.

906
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: That level, for me, I think of a cruise a

907
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: little like being a part of a fancy cult. I

908
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: love the idea of being a part of a fancy cult.

909
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 1: I want you to tell me every day, here you go, Danielle,

910
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: what step outside your room, make a left. You'll have

911
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 1: endless food options. And then immediately after, here are the

912
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 1: activities of the day that you get to choose from.

913
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: You can bowl, you can go down a water slide,

914
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: you could dance, you could go to the casino, you

915
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: could play bingo, and there seems like there's an endless

916
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: array of things to choose from. But all I have

917
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: to do is pick which one I want to do.

918
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: And if I feel like I made the wrong choice tomorrow,

919
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: just make a different choice. I want to be told

920
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: what to do, and but also shave your head and

921
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: where's the cal They know you what you have to do,

922
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: but you get a little bit of freedom within it.

923
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: I love that idea. I love that idea. You're trapped.

924
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: Here's seventy five things. Here's your freedom. What do you

925
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 1: want to do right now?

926
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 3: It's the illusion of freedom, the illusion.

927
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: Of freedom where I'm trapped. I want the comfort of

928
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: trapped with the freedom of small choice and I want

929
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: to eat.

930
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:26,240
Speaker 3: That's perfect.

931
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 1: Can we start this cult? Please? I'm that it's so great,

932
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: it's so so great, and that's my idea fun and

933
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:35,359
Speaker 1: I I love it.

934
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 3: We have to come up with a good name. That's

935
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 3: one word for it, like lumineering to come up. We'll

936
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 3: figure out illuminear. Yes, we'll figure it out.

937
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 4: Going on a cruise, it's a cruise, it just seems

938
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 4: very crowded to me. I'm not a fan of that

939
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 4: many people either. That's my other problem. It seems like

940
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 4: it's packed. I don't like that. So yeah, I don't know,

941
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 4: i'd feel very claustrophobic.

942
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 3: I think.

943
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 2: I highly recommend that our listeners read David Foster Wallace's

944
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 2: seminal essay. It's called a supposedly fun Thing I'll Never

945
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 2: Do Again, which it's in the collection. It's originally it

946
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 2: was published in Harper's. I had you guys read it.

947
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 2: I think you read it.

948
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 1: I read Yeah.

949
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 2: I think that's a very clear like. I mean, he

950
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 2: was obviously a depressed person and he is writing from

951
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 2: a point of view, you know.

952
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: But when I read that.

953
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 2: Essay years later, a couple of years later, I felt seen.

954
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 2: I felt like this was my cruise experience. This is

955
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 2: my problems with cruise in general, and the inequalities of

956
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 2: you know, class and just the level of indulgence and

957
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 2: like the performative happiness that a cruse sort of puts

958
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 2: you in a position to sort of to feel to activate.

959
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 2: I'm so uncomfortable with that level of attention to my

960
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 2: well being and you like, yeah.

961
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: I will say. The one area that really spoke to

962
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:07,919
Speaker 1: me in that essay was where he talks about how

963
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 1: when he just needed to get his zinc oxide from

964
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: his suitcase and all the suitcases were in one particular spot.

965
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: Right away, I had ajeda about the idea that I'm

966
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: not going to get my own suitcase from the carousel

967
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: that someone that you get to just walk off the

968
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,240
Speaker 1: plane and go to the cruise ship and they collect

969
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 1: your bags. No, thank you, I will collect my bag

970
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: and I will take it myself. So I really I

971
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: felt spoken to there for sure. Where then he wants

972
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: to get his sunscreen and the bag is not in

973
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: his room yet, so he just goes to get the bag,

974
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: and then he realizes the bellman is actually going to

975
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: get in trouble. He's like, no, I'll take your bag,

976
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: let me take it. I'll take it right now. He's

977
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: like dropping all the rest of the luggage, and you know,

978
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: David Foster Wallis doesn't understand this obsessive need to help

979
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: him with his bag, and he realizes, oh, you're going

980
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: to get in trouble because I am not supposed to

981
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: be put out at all by taking care of my

982
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: own bag. I cannot stand that. I don't like that

983
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: feeling anywhere. So I definitely don't like that idea.

984
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 2: But I also love how he talks about how, like,

985
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 2: you know, so much of the cruise is geared towards

986
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 2: indulging this infantile state right where you're just you're just

987
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 2: a consumer who just eats whatever you want, yeah, bowl

988
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 2: whenever you want, you swim and whatever wherever you want,

989
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 2: you do whatever, and there's always there with somebody with

990
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 2: a fresh towel and a fresh meal and a fresh drink.

991
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 2: And we talk about he talks about how within you know,

992
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 2: that's it's the the fallacy there is that you would

993
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,479
Speaker 2: ever be satisfied. And so he talks about how within

994
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 2: two or three days, what originally made him very uncomfortable,

995
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 2: suddenly he's just wanting more. And now it's like and

996
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 2: it's true, it's a bottomless pit that little like desiring

997
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 2: infantile state doesn't end. So what you're actually doing is

998
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 2: just creating this. Like you think you're going to be

999
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 2: more relaxed by getting whatever you want, but the truth

1000
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 2: this is only going to increase that you need it

1001
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 2: more now, quicker, faster, more, and it's like it's never

1002
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 2: going to end that of Like, so I'm not a

1003
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 2: big fan of indulging that side of my or or

1004
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 2: of humanity in general. Like, no, thanks, don't.

1005
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 4: I think there is something to be said though, for

1006
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 4: occasionally doing it in a very finite, controlled space. And

1007
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 4: you could argue that, Okay, so for three days a year,

1008
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:21,760
Speaker 4: I let in, you know, I I feed into that temptation.

1009
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 4: I feed into that side of myself. That's the only

1010
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 4: time I allow myself to do it. I do it

1011
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 4: with three friends. We get these little cabins. We drink

1012
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 4: too much, we eat too much, we bowl too much,

1013
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 4: we do we go in the pools, and then we

1014
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 4: live our lives the rest of the you know, three

1015
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,839
Speaker 4: hundred and sixty two days a year. So I mean,

1016
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 4: I think you could also argue that it is the

1017
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 4: perfect way to do that. That if you're gonna live

1018
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 4: on a cruise ship, of course not. But if you're

1019
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:44,240
Speaker 4: gonna do three.

1020
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 3: Days a year, five days a year, that's what you like.

1021
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 4: I mean if people do that in Vegas, people do that,

1022
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:51,399
Speaker 4: It's like I don't get that either.

1023
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 2: But right, but is you know, I think that there

1024
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 2: are bigger questions when you're talking about the scale at

1025
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,879
Speaker 2: which it's sure it's at when when you have how

1026
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 2: many cruise ships operating on this level, Americans expect to

1027
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 2: be able to get it for relatively cheap considering how

1028
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 2: much you're going to get, So you know that is

1029
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 2: this a fair system? Is this good for the world?

1030
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 2: Is it good for the environment? Is this good for

1031
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 2: the economics of smaller countries? Is it good for the

1032
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 2: economics of individuals? Uh?

1033
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: Sure, I would say no.

1034
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 2: I mean I would say that the very the very

1035
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 2: scale of this consumerism is is exploitative. I mean, it's

1036
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 2: a distortion of power that you know, it has a

1037
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 2: lot of ugly consequences under the surface. So I mean,

1038
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 2: you know, yeah nowadays, I mean again, yeah, but when

1039
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 2: you all have we all have these in our pockets,

1040
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 2: and these absolutely destroy the world, absolutely. But the cruise

1041
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 2: is really where the blindfolds can come off, you know,

1042
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 2: because because we you know, when you when you're an American,

1043
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 2: you can say we buy our tennis shoes and our iPhones,

1044
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 2: and we can say, yeah, we kind of know they're

1045
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 2: produced in a less than ideal circumstance. But you don't

1046
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 2: come face to face with that inequality. You're not like

1047
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 2: literally dining on steak while watching somebody stitch your nikes.

1048
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 2: But when you're on a cruise ship, you do come

1049
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 2: face to face with inequality on a level that is

1050
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 2: very uncomfortable. You know, you pull into port and like

1051
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 2: I remember, we've pulled into port and like people, they

1052
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 2: would the sea of humanity that would be coming to

1053
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 2: sell you goods to try and get your money, and

1054
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 2: you know, the sort of naked inequality in that exchange

1055
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 2: was very uncomfortable for me as a kid, and I

1056
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 2: would I would still be very uncomfortable with that as

1057
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 2: an adult, you know. And I remember watching because people

1058
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 2: would they would pull their boats up, like we'd pull

1059
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 2: up to Jamaica or somewhere, and and they pull these

1060
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 2: boats up and people on the boat would be throwing

1061
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 2: money off coins for these people to dive for, you

1062
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 2: know what I mean. There's not a better metaphor of

1063
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 2: like what what cruise culture is like you know, and

1064
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 2: how it relates to the locals of you know, these

1065
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 2: places in these countries and you know, like, yeah, on

1066
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 2: this cruise I went to you know, on these cruises,

1067
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 2: I went to Jamaica, I went to these islands, And

1068
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 2: have I actually been to these places? Like I would say, No,

1069
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:56,879
Speaker 2: I would.

1070
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: I thought the exact same way because I was on

1071
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: the Jamaica one. I also went to jim And yet

1072
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't feel like I've been to Jamaica.

1073
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 4: No.

1074
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,800
Speaker 2: No, I'm one of my best friends grew up in

1075
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 2: Saint Thomas and I I don't tell him I've ever

1076
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 2: been to say I know, I went to Saint Thomas

1077
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 2: and what No, I haven't been to Saint Thomas because

1078
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 2: that's an embarrassing when I think about how he actually

1079
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 2: lived there and went to school there, knew people, had community, friends,

1080
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 2: family like I don't have. I would have no relationship

1081
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 2: to the Saint Thomas that he lives.

1082
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 4: It's like it's like you're saying you've been to a

1083
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 4: country because you've stopped there at the airport right.

1084
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:28,280
Speaker 3: Well, it's like, yeah, oh, I've been to Germany.

1085
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 4: Now you're at the airport hour right exactly so you've

1086
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 4: never actually you didn't experience any of it.

1087
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 3: No, I mean, I guess I do. I certainly understand that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well you also got to dance with hot guys,

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Speaker 1: so that's that was a plus for me. Thank you

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Speaker 1: all for joining us for this episode of Pod Meets World.

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Speaker 1: As always, you can follow us on Instagram, pod Meets

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Speaker 1: your emails pod meets World Show at gmail dot com,

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Speaker 2: We love you all, pod dismissed. Pod Meets World is

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Speaker 2: an iHeart podcast producer hosted by Danielle Fischel, Wilfridell and

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Speaker 2: Ryder Strong. Executive producers Jensen Karp and Amy Sugarman. Executive

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Speaker 2: in charge of production, Danielle Romo, producer and editor, Tara Sudbach, producer,

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Speaker 2: Mattie Moore, engineer and Boy meets World superman Easton Allen.

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Speaker 2: Our theme song is by Kyle Morton of Typhoon. Follow

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