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Speaker 1: All right, talking about wrestling politics.

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Speaker 2: Now, we're not going to run down a list of

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Speaker 2: what wrestlers ran for office. But ironically, later in the

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Speaker 2: week we'll talk about a wrestler who is in politics.

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Speaker 1: But we'll talk about a dead girlfriend. But that's later

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Speaker 1: in the week.

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Speaker 2: First, wrestling politics, Tell me what you think of it,

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Speaker 2: and then tell me how you may have experienced it

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Speaker 2: throughout your career.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So there's definitely politics in every locker room, right.

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Speaker 3: Some people tend to get into it more than others.

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Speaker 3: I always try to stay away from it because it's

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Speaker 3: gonna bite you in the ass either way. You're gonna

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Speaker 3: get keep from the office or you're gonna get he

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Speaker 3: from the boys one way or another. Now, not so

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Speaker 3: much in ECW, but in WWE, like everybody seemed to

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Speaker 3: be politicking backstage. You know, I told you it was

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Speaker 3: like apples and oranges, like the ECW locker room.

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Speaker 4: I don't know why.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it's because I was homegrown and

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Speaker 3: I was comfortable there and I had everybody was my friend.

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Speaker 3: I was good with Paul Like, I didn't have to politic.

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Speaker 3: There was nothing that I had to do. I can

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Speaker 3: walk up to Paul and just ask him a question

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Speaker 3: and or call him on the phone and he would answer.

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Speaker 3: It was very easy, very organic in that locker room WWE.

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Speaker 3: It was like you had to fight tooth and nail

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Speaker 3: to get somebody to hear you.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So.

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Speaker 3: I wasn't homegrown there. I didn't have a lot of

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Speaker 4: I had a few.

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Speaker 3: You know, when the office tells you that you need

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Speaker 3: to politic.

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Speaker 4: There's something going on there that is not right.

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Speaker 3: Because to me, if you have talent and you're not

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Speaker 3: a troublemaker and you get along.

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Speaker 4: With people, I feel like that should be enough.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you know what I'm saying, Like I shouldn't have

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Speaker 3: to go into Vince's office.

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Speaker 4: And oil up my chest and lean over and ask

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Speaker 4: him what's going on and does he have anything you know,

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Speaker 4: for me with my name involved in it while I do.

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Speaker 3: They like that kind of stuff is not comfortable, it's

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Speaker 3: not cool, and it's not something that I ever had

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Speaker 3: to do in my life, and I've never done it

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Speaker 3: in my life.

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Speaker 4: You know, they say there's the casting couch in Hollywood.

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Speaker 4: It's kind of that way in w W. A. If

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Speaker 4: you think about it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you know, I'm not saying every single girl part

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Speaker 3: would partake in that sort of thing.

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Speaker 4: I know girls who have. I've heard stories about girls

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Speaker 4: who have.

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Speaker 3: I never did it, and maybe that's why I lasted

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Speaker 3: for six months. Maybe, but I can honestly say that

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Speaker 3: I would rather have done that than went the opposite

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Speaker 3: way and got a push because in my mind, I

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Speaker 3: don't know if I could live with myself that way.

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Speaker 4: But there are people who that it doesn't affect them,

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Speaker 4: and that's that's fine.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm not trying to throw stones at people,

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Speaker 3: like you do what you need to do to get

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Speaker 3: to where you have to go. For me, it wasn't

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Speaker 3: that big a deal that I was in WWE. I

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Speaker 3: didn't dream about it. I didn't aspire to get there.

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Speaker 3: I could have cared less that I was booted.

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Speaker 4: I didn't care.

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Speaker 3: The one thing I asked Johnny Ace when he called

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Speaker 3: raw money?

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Speaker 4: Because when you went to raw you would get more money?

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Speaker 3: And I never got it because I didn't last a

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Speaker 4: I but I didn't care that I was you know,

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Speaker 4: let go.

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Speaker 3: I didn't care that I was released for me, like

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Speaker 3: my values were higher and I just couldn't. I couldn't

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Speaker 4: Hey, here I am.

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Speaker 3: So that kind of politicking, I don't dig it, you know,

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Speaker 3: going up to the boss and saying, oh, that Chad Man,

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Speaker 4: I think you should push him from the minion and

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Speaker 4: put me on there.

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Speaker 1: Why now, how much of that have you seen?

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Speaker 2: People? That's I mean, that's that's not even a new

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Speaker 2: way politicking. That's just straight up backstabbing and throwing somebody

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Speaker 3: And there's a lot of it out there. I've seen it.

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Speaker 3: I've heard about it. I've heard story again, you know,

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Speaker 3: and I've seen a little bit of it in ECW

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Speaker 3: with certain guys. I know, everybody wants me to name people.

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Speaker 3: I'm not naming anyone because they're all my friends now,

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Speaker 3: and then that's water under the bridge between whoever. But

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Speaker 3: it happens, you know, and at one point some of

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Speaker 3: the guys live their gimmicks and they think they're bigger

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Speaker 3: than they are and they will go rogue and you know,

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Speaker 3: they will act like a baby, so to speak, and

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Speaker 3: who gets the last word.

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Speaker 4: Right, and that's it.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes politicking work, sometimes it doesn't work. I think it

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Speaker 3: depends on the people that are involved, you know.

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Speaker 4: And may I.

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Speaker 3: Say that there are guys that are high up talking

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Speaker 3: about the bigger fed WWA. They know who they can

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Speaker 3: be little and get away with it. So I mean,

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Speaker 3: you know, it's another sense of are you in that

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Speaker 3: certain clique? Are you in that cool group? And if

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Speaker 3: you're not, are you really going to be utilized? It

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Speaker 3: doesn't matter how much talent you have. We've seen, we

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Speaker 3: talked about it on the main show. We've seen talent

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Speaker 3: just get pushed to the side and not used because

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Speaker 3: of whatever reason, somebody in the office doesn't like them,

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Speaker 3: somebody you know who knows. It happened to me, right,

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Speaker 3: And I'm not saying I'm not the most talented person

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Speaker 3: out there, but I was willing to work and I

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Speaker 3: presented ideas and they just didn't want to hear it.

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Speaker 3: You know, I didn't politic. Maybe I should have been.

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Speaker 2: And what got me thinking about this topic is a

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Speaker 2: couple of things. You know that I said, the Cody

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Speaker 2: the executive vice president who they brought in.

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Speaker 1: Their friends are getting jobs.

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Speaker 2: You know, maybe they're losing sight of what the original

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Speaker 1: YadA, YadA, YadA.

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Speaker 2: I stumbled across a like twenty five minute clip of

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Speaker 2: on the side and how it affected his career and

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Speaker 2: he ultimately ended up getting released because of everything that

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Speaker 2: was going on, but due to fan response, was brought

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Speaker 2: back and then had to work with this group. But

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Speaker 2: still the politics playing a huge part in one guy

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Speaker 2: out of that trio getting released. You know, it's just

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Speaker 2: these there's so many different ways to tackle it. So

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Speaker 2: you mentioned, you know, guys living the gimmick and guys

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Speaker 2: getting angry and very vocal. Now is this stuff that's

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Speaker 3: Usually happens, but I think it usually happens behind closed doors.

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Speaker 4: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes you see fights in the locker room where uh,

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Speaker 3: or even to the point of where, oh, bro, you're

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Speaker 3: stealing my gimmick. You know you wore this color. This

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Speaker 3: is my color you were you wore it, these tights,

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Speaker 3: I wear these tights.

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Speaker 4: You know so many people use that right.

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Speaker 2: And two in one company, two forces using the same

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Speaker 2: hand signals.

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Speaker 4: Well, did Shane ever have beef with the Doubleys over that?

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Speaker 1: He has claimed? There was a blessing given, but you

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Speaker 1: know where how was it approached? That's what I wanted.

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Speaker 2: I want to know what the argument or discussion was

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Speaker 2: before the blessing was given.

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Speaker 3: I don't I never heard a story about that. I

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Speaker 3: just noticed that, like Shane always used it, but then

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Speaker 3: the Dudley's started using it, and I was just like,

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Speaker 3: oh okay.

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Speaker 4: Like I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't remember Shane ever mentioning it. I don't remember

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Speaker 3: a confrontation. I feel like the Dudley's had enough respect

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Speaker 3: right go to Shane, because you know that's how bubbl

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Speaker 3: and Devon are. But I don't know why, why why

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Speaker 1: I don't know, It's just weird.

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Speaker 2: You're right, because Shane carried it even when there was

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Speaker 2: no group, he still did the you know, he still fingers,

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Speaker 2: so kind of funny like as they took off. But

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Speaker 2: now you know, Dudley's jumped to WWF nineteen ninety nine

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Speaker 2: in one promotion at the same time, two groups are

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just I don't know. People get offended, you

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Speaker 3: it's just they might you know, if somebody does something,

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Speaker 3: they might go to management and say, hey, I did

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes you get a fistfight over It's it's really ridiculous

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Speaker 3: if you think about it.

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Speaker 1: Little little things that you see, you know, happen over time.

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Speaker 2: I know for a fact, Shane used war Machine originally

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Speaker 2: before Taz did. But obviously you know, Shane's a kiss fan.

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Speaker 2: He used a kiss Song for his entrance, but phase

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Speaker 2: that out and then Taz picks up war Machine. It

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that I don't have beef with, I mean you you.

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Speaker 3: Ultimately he ended up with Perfect Strangers, so that that's fine.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: If he was using the same music as when he

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Speaker 3: walked out currently, I'd be like, wait a minute.

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Speaker 4: There are certain things you do.

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Speaker 3: Common courtesy comes into play at this point. Certain things

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Speaker 3: you do, certain things you don't do. Some people were

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Speaker 4: That's another thing.

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Speaker 3: Like we always say, oh, I'm old school. I was

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Speaker 3: taught this way, and the newer generation they weren't taught

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Speaker 3: the same way as we were. So something that we

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Speaker 3: think is disrespectful, Well maybe that was disrespectful in the nineties,

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Speaker 3: but it's okay in the year twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 4: Like things change, things evolve, and.

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Speaker 3: You just have to go with the flow. People get

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Speaker 3: offended very quickly, okay, And to me, I just take

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Speaker 4: I always say to myself. You're fifty, Get over it.

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Speaker 2: It's a good way to think now, politicking to the

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Speaker 3: Room full of writers. Okay, So when I was there.

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Speaker 3: And so that you know, there's always a sheet taped

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Speaker 4: Vince can go, now, we're not going to use that today.

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Speaker 4: And that's it. That's the way it went, you know.

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Speaker 3: And I didn't remain on that sheet until I ran

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Speaker 1: Vince on the back, back on the back right, change.

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Speaker 3: Yes, But then you know, balls took drugs and ruined everything.

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Speaker 3: that did I go and complain to somebody? No?

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Speaker 4: I didn't. What did I do? I went?

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Speaker 2: But in their weird, wwe world, maybe you should have.

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Speaker 3: you're not You're not politicking, point blank? What are you doing?

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Speaker 3: And I said, what do you mean?

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Speaker 3: You're you're hiding, he says, And I said, uh uh.

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Speaker 3: As uncomfortable as I was, I always went to catering

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Speaker 4: Girl needs to eat.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I wasn't needing what the other girls were in,

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Speaker 3: even people I didn't even know. I would give away,

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Speaker 4: I don't know, Hey, guys, how are you you know

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Speaker 3: I am blah blah blah. And Johnny goes, you need

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Speaker 4: Hey, what's going on, what's happening? Bah blah blah. I

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Speaker 4: we should. And right then and there, I said, what

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Because I never had to do this before.

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Speaker 3: Granted, our organization in ECW wasn't as big, there wasn't

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Speaker 4: In ECW.

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Speaker 3: I woke up having to get on that airplane with

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Speaker 4: Because I didn't want to go.

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Speaker 3: And I forced myself every week to go, and every

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Speaker 4: Because it was mental.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't just to travel and work and you know,

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Speaker 4: Because I'm not doing all the other bullshit. It's not happening.

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Speaker 2: And your body of work, which you had had for

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Speaker 2: close to ten plus years at that point, teen years

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Speaker 2: at that point, they ignored and they had told you,

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Speaker 2: Vince the story you've told before. He asked, Vince, you know,

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Speaker 1: How you found out that they don't know you?

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Speaker 3: No? And and I wanted to try At one point

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Speaker 3: He love you guys, you know, but he.

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Speaker 4: Was never available.

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Speaker 3: The one time he sat next to me and we

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Speaker 4: And that's the only time I ever interacted with with Sheen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: One time we were passing in the hallway and he

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Speaker 3: And I said no, I haven't and he goes, okay, thanks,

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Speaker 3: And that was that raw.

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Speaker 4: So it wasn't like I could pull him over at

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Speaker 1: I mean, like random thing to ask just He's like,

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Speaker 4: I was just walking? Because did you see my dad anywhere?

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Speaker 4: And I'm like, no, I didn't see your dad.

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Speaker 3: But I would have loved to pick his brain and

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Speaker 3: ask him like you know, do I have a shot?

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Speaker 4: What am I doing wrong? But I I couldn't.

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Speaker 3: Like he wasn't around as much, right, you know, and

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Speaker 3: to talk to Vince, I wasn't.

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Speaker 4: Gonna oil up my boobs and barge in his office.

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Speaker 4: That just was idiotic.

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Speaker 2: That's that's ridiculous. And that's like, you know, you mentioned

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Speaker 4: That that was a little much.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is like, that's that's unbelievable that you know,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you've seen this quote floating around,

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Speaker 2: What do you think that tells you about how a

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Speaker 4: So they're all venting.

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Speaker 2: They're venting about their frustrations, you know, and even though

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Speaker 1: Things don't change much.

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Speaker 2: Right, you know, I mentioned the guy who worked in

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Speaker 2: There's parts of it that you're not going to say

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Speaker 2: I should have politicked more or I didn't politic enough,

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Speaker 2: and I'm fine with it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well I I'm the latter. I didn't. I'm okay

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Speaker 3: I wish I could have got a fair shot because

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Speaker 4: I think they dropped the ball with me, and it

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Speaker 3: I don't think I was treated fairly, and I think

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Speaker 3: I'm just to fight in saying that.

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Speaker 2: Well, it was all you guys, you know, all the

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Speaker 1: You know, Saboo, RBD had a pretty good push at

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Speaker 3: Know Jerry Lawler, it would be like he would come

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Speaker 3: And I'd say this was on like house shows if

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Speaker 3: I'd say, oh, the bikini thing and he would shake

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Speaker 3: when you have people of that caliber just being like ugh,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, Okay, it's.

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Speaker 4: Not just me.

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Speaker 1: A booker. He's a booker. He knows what talent is.

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Speaker 3: So and he he was familiar with my work like

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Speaker 3: I've worked with I worked with Jerry on Indy's before,

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Speaker 3: And he just looked every time I would say what

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Speaker 3: I'm worth more than just walking around in a bikini.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, way I.

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Speaker 1: View a Memphis.

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Speaker 2: He would have taken you a Memphis and you guys

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Speaker 2: would add a good good time rolling up some crowds.

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Speaker 3: It's disappointing when you know that you have the ability

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Speaker 1: So I'll leave it at that absolutely.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well that was a fun conversation. It's it's

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Speaker 2: one that could go on for eternity. You know, there's

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Speaker 2: so much to uncover and uh again, everybody's got a

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Speaker 2: and at the end of it, you know there's nothing

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Speaker 2: you can do to control it.

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Speaker 1: You're not the final.

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Speaker 4: Say so, right, you can only do your best, that's right.

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Speaker 2: So all right, well we will get out of here

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Speaker 2: for today. For the Queen of Extreme this is the chat, sir.

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Speaker 2: We'll catch you on the flip side.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, h Francine Francis, Queen Extreme Extreme, ties up here,

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Speaker 5: head head.

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Speaker 1: The Queen Extreme podcast ties.

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Speaker 5: Up here, head head.

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Speaker 1: It's the Queen Extreme Podcast.

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Speaker 4: It's the Queen of Extreme being in.

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Speaker 2: The Legendship is the Woman Nephew dreams.

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Speaker 5: Legend on the Senior Francine Podcast.

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Speaker 4: What you mean?

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Speaker 5: What your tram place to show you what your needs?

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Speaker 5: If you couldn't The stand of Queens from the beginning

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Speaker 5: of time,