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Speaker 1: What is up, everybody, Welcome back to another episode of

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Speaker 1: Forgotten Seasons. This is your host, Dylan Dreyfus. Today we

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Speaker 1: got a former number three overall pick, a guy that

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Speaker 1: He helped fuel the Pistons to a dramatic turnaround. They

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Speaker 1: Forgotten Seasons with Jerry Stackhouse on the two thousand and

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Speaker 2: How's it going today? Man? Doing great? Man? Thanks for

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Speaker 2: having me on.

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Speaker 1: Hey, I appreciate you being a supporter of the page,

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Speaker 1: and I appreciate your time talking to some of the

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Speaker 1: to two thousand and two for the Detroit Piston season.

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Speaker 1: Before we get into the Piston season, I want to

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Speaker 1: do you ever wonder what it could have been if

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Speaker 1: So you, like I said, you get traded nineteen ninety

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Speaker 3: He was definitely ahead of his time. He would you know,

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Speaker 1: So, yeah you go back and you you watch him

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Speaker 1: Doubt so ninety nine to two thousand and, one you

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Speaker 1: When grant's, injuries unfortunately start to pile. Up you seem

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Speaker 3: NOW i just think it was a different. Game you,

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Speaker 3: Man it was that that year was kind of thrust

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Speaker 2: Together you know What i'm.

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Speaker 3: Saying we wanted to high score and you, know tandems

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Speaker 1: Rick so So Rick rick comes in in ONE o.

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Speaker 1: Two this is his first ever season as AN nba head.

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Speaker 3: Those two guys were they controlled games, themselves you, know

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Speaker 3: hedging was a you, know really getting out and hedging

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Speaker 3: more of a decoy. Again everybody know THAT i, could you,

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Speaker 3: KNOW i could score thirty, points you, Know so now

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Speaker 3: Year assist numbers still stayed around around the same average

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Speaker 3: was just just making that conscious effort to SAY i

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Speaker 2: Past it's almost LIKE i got the hockey.

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Speaker 3: Assist but the attension THAT i, was you know THAT i,

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Speaker 3: those picking, rolls drawing it, out really stretching, out picking,

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Speaker 3: ton of close. Games SO i just think it's kind

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Speaker 3: Rick rick had a lot to do with, that just

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Speaker 3: his his, approach his, mindset you, know as a coach

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Speaker 3: me right, now even When i'm. Coaching my guys just

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Speaker 3: then we'll we'll have a chance when the game is

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Speaker 1: End. Yeah i've talked to quite a few guys from the,

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Speaker 1: The Van, gundy's The, rileys and those teams typically are

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Speaker 3: He probably IS i, mean WHEN i think about, It,

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Speaker 2: You, know but had you, know unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: Strength you, know as far as garden guys on the,

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Speaker 3: but definitely from a. Defensive standpoint he, you know he

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Speaker 1: Defensive End big ben's, a beast one of my. Favorite

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Speaker 1: players glad he's In the. Hall now, continuing quickly just

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Speaker 1: with the rest of. The roster You Mentioned cliff robbins

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Speaker 1: at a. Little Bit corlis, williamson two he Wins six

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Speaker 3: RICK Uh theyd coach Of the year and, YOU know

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Speaker 3: i leading scorer and the leading assists PLAYER and i

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Speaker 1: I WAS gonna i was, gonna ask like you. Made

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Speaker 1: that you're obviously coming off back To Back all star

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Speaker 1: then you're winning and you don't get rewarded. AS that,

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Speaker 3: That was a little bit of slap in the FACE

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Speaker 3: that made THE and i FELT like i could have.

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Speaker 3: and Win The central. Division championship, you know but it

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Speaker 3: You know rick had had some conversations with.

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Speaker 3: JUST crazy i think he Voted for Sharief and kruger

435
00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,840
Speaker 3: was supposed to vote, for me and THEN evidently. I

436
00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:47,439
Speaker 3: didn't something that got lost in translation. Doing THAT so

437
00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,639
Speaker 3: I was i was READY to i was ready to

438
00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:53,960
Speaker 3: choke somebody that when We, played atlanta, you know but

439
00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,680
Speaker 3: it's just, you know those are the things that come.

440
00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,679
Speaker 3: With IT but i was definitely disappointing, because anew, you

441
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,080
Speaker 3: know still big part of averaging over twenty points a

442
00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:07,080
Speaker 3: game again leading our team. And assists, you know not

443
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:11,159
Speaker 3: too many, guys, lead uh lead the team and scoring

444
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,520
Speaker 3: and assists on the on the central, you know on

445
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:15,640
Speaker 3: a division team and don't Make The all.

446
00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:16,679
Speaker 2: Star team so, it was.

447
00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:18,359
Speaker 3: It was it was definitely a little bit of a

448
00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,560
Speaker 3: disappointment from from from, that standpoint it.

449
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,479
Speaker 1: Was also a pretty loaded time for just two guards,

450
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,960
Speaker 1: in general, AND guards i mean, yet yourself You, got

451
00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,639
Speaker 1: vince You got Kobe T Maak, Ray, allen uh the

452
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,760
Speaker 1: list can Go On. Alan houston so again a loaded

453
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:36,320
Speaker 1: air for the two guards who were the guys that

454
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,640
Speaker 1: you look forward to matching up against THE most.

455
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:39,960
Speaker 2: I mean all.

456
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,080
Speaker 3: OF them i think every, every night, you know at,

457
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,119
Speaker 3: That SPOT like i mean you, mentioned it there was,

458
00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 3: you know whether it Was a trails free Will Or,

459
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:52,159
Speaker 3: mitch richmond, You Know michael jordan's Uh. Ray allen you,

460
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 3: know again all, these guys these guys that and then

461
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 3: these guys Make The All. Star team, All RIGHT so,

462
00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,359
Speaker 3: i Mean so i'm pissed off from, that too, You,

463
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,000
Speaker 3: know like BUT but i got some revenge.

464
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 2: FROM that i think it was the last game of.

465
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 3: The season milwaukee had a chance to make the playoffs

466
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 3: if they, beat us and safe, to say. Let's set

467
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 3: they ass home them and All The all stars Him And,

468
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 3: Glenn Robinson, ray allen the GUYS that i think Made

469
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:19,639
Speaker 3: The all star that team, this year they got to

470
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 3: watch the playoffs. FROM home i made. Sure, that so,

471
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 3: You know it's funny how how things work out in.

472
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 3: The end it's the little victories, that, count right, no doubt.

473
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 3: No DOUBT.

474
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493
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 1: seed In. The east you guys Got the raptors in.

494
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 1: Round One No, vince carter any part of you like

495
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 1: from a, competitive standpoint wish?

496
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,680
Speaker 2: He played or is it more so you know we

497
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:50,680
Speaker 2: we dodged.

498
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 1: The bullet we got an.

499
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 3: Easy, ONE no, I mean i know injuries are part of.

500
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 3: THE game i, mean again it's probably some point in

501
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 3: the season there where we, you know we were all

502
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 3: banged up all, you know. Missing, somebody definitely, you Know

503
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 3: Uh north, carolina alum, you know one of the best

504
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 3: players in, the league and we've all it brought out

505
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 3: the best of me EVERY time i was able to compete.

506
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 3: Against him, so, yeah yeah definitely you would love for

507
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 3: for them to, you know have been at the. Full

508
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 3: strength but again it's. The playoffs we had to take

509
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 3: it as as. A cane but, you know that was

510
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 3: that was a. TOUGH series i think at that time

511
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 3: it was just a five game series in the in the,

512
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 3: first round we got off kind of early and then

513
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:31,880
Speaker 3: it was. A struggle, i mean they really locked into,

514
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 3: us defensively.

515
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 1: They Had, like oakley they Had, had davis they had

516
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 1: a big and strong team.

517
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 3: Defensive, TEAM yeah i think that You Know mo peterson

518
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 3: was was on. That team was a good match up.

519
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 3: For Us chris childs a really. Good team we're able

520
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 3: to get. Through them AND then i think then We.

521
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,880
Speaker 3: Got boston boston wasn't the best match UP. For, us,

522
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 3: WHY uh i, don't know we just didn't play them

523
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 3: as well as we did the eventual you know team

524
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 3: that came Out. THE east, i mean we smacked the

525
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 3: nets every time we, played them, you know and it was, just,

526
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 3: like man we, you know we we had just uh

527
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 3: maybe had that match up against the nets as opposed To. To,

528
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 3: boston uh you know that maybe we, you know we

529
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 3: felt like we probably would have been in the in

530
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 3: the finals. That year we had that that type of

531
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 3: confidence in. That team it just was a match up.

532
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 3: FOR us, I mean I Think kenny anderson was a

533
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 3: tough MATCHUP. FOR us, i Mean Obviously paul pierce and

534
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,919
Speaker 3: what he brought to, the table just again that that

535
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 3: was where they, you know pretty much it, hurt us,

536
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 3: you know the lack of offensive power that we got

537
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 3: from from our five spot because we we couldn't throw

538
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 3: it in.

539
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:45,400
Speaker 2: The post.

540
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 3: You know, you know as Good as ben was on

541
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 3: the on the, defensive end he didn't he didn't bring

542
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 3: that he didn't have that type of present for us

543
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 3: on the, offensive end and they were able to come

544
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 3: over and spot with pretty much. His guy, you KNOW

545
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 3: when i was talking about playing in the isolation game

546
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 3: and bringing somebody and bringing that big over there and

547
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 3: and then the only thing you really got is skips

548
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 3: over the top because they're dropping down.

549
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 2: On him and so it.

550
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 3: Was it was a tough match up when it was

551
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 3: first time that we had really seen that and never

552
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 3: really kind of figured that out after, you know the

553
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 3: first the first couple. Of games, but AGAIN like, I

554
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 3: said i don't Think The new jersey would have played us.

555
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 2: That way it would have.

556
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 3: Been more of a traditional you know kind of you

557
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,959
Speaker 3: match up man or man and see. What happened, so,

558
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 3: we uh just just a tough matchup for. Us there

559
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 3: but we definitely it was disappointing because we definitely felt that,

560
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 3: we were, you know the best team In. THE east,

561
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 3: i mean especially when We see jersey go in and play,

562
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 3: You Know. San antonio obviously they, YOU know i think

563
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 3: they got swept in that series in in in.

564
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,719
Speaker 2: The finals But, the lakers this Was. The lakers they

565
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 2: got that Was.

566
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 3: The, lakers, yeah yeah they were, you know we, Gave

567
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 3: them we gave them, the business you Know what. I'm

568
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 3: saying so it was like you carried kittles and whoever,

569
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 3: They Had, richard jefferson all. Of them EVERY time i,

570
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 3: SAW them i was trying to. Kill them sorry. Ass

571
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 3: nuts then just just heading out of. THE season, i

572
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 3: mean you don't.

573
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 1: Get, it really you don't get another chance to to

574
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 1: go with that Squad, in detroit you get Traded. To

575
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: washington initial reactions feelings when you got.

576
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 2: That call did you see? It coming, OH no, i was,

577
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 2: UH no. I was i didn't really see.

578
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 3: It, COMING again i just thought that we had really

579
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 3: built and worked and worked our way up to, you

580
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 3: know becoming a team that was, you know, you know

581
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 3: lost in the. Second round our next step was was

582
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 3: was taking. Another step AND then I just i. WAS

583
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 3: ran I think i was in the uh in the

584
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 3: gun shop. OR something, i was, you KNOW when i

585
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 3: got a call to that from actually From the. WIZARD

586
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 3: side I mean i think you know they WERE again

587
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 3: i gave the business To the wizards that, year too,

588
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 3: you know so it was like it wasn't surprised that

589
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 3: they were trying to, you know It was michael's. Last

590
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 3: year they was trying to, you know probably Felt that

591
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 3: rip was a little too young for them to take that.

592
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 3: Next step so that so they made, the call and,

593
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 3: You know detroit decided to pull. The trigger got a little.

594
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 3: BIT younger, i guess, you know it ripped, You know

595
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 3: chauncey coming. INTO play, i mean then, You know rashie

596
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 3: falls in their. LAP again, i mean it would have

597
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 3: been ideal situation to add, You Know chauncey billups to

598
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 3: to to.

599
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 2: A lineup i hadn't.

600
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 3: Really played with a, you know more of a traditional

601
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 3: point guard that that can make plays and make shots at,

602
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 3: that level, you know, you know taking that away From From,

603
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 3: chucky atkins but to, you know somewhat of a difference between,

604
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 3: You Know chauncey billups And And. Chucky atkins but it

605
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 3: was what, it, was man you Know what. I'M saying

606
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 3: i think that they pulled a TRIGGER on I think

607
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 3: i had been the face of, that franchise had, done

608
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 3: everything really grabbed a mantle After After grant. Hill LEFT

609
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 3: so i did felt a, little flighted. YOU know i

610
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 3: felt like, You Know, JOE dumars I mean i sat

611
00:28:56,080 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 3: there and played hurt. FOR him i tore, him up and,

612
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 3: you know still came back early to, try to, you

613
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 3: know try to DO everything i can for us to

614
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 3: get the higher seed and then, you know in the

615
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 3: regular season to put ourselves in a position to, you

616
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 3: know have a, you know be a higher seed in,

617
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 3: the playoffs and you do all those things and then

618
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 3: it so it was kind of a slap in, the

619
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,479
Speaker 3: face you Know what. I'm saying looking back, on it,

620
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 3: YOU know i thought it was, You Know joe dumarg

621
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 3: just kind of did a sucker move with, me there

622
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 3: you Know what. I'm saying but it is what, it.

623
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 3: Is man, you, know things things always come, back around,

624
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 3: You know karma gets you in, the end. You know

625
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 3: but so but, you KNOW but i definitely felt felt

626
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 3: slighted in. That, situation obviously seeing a team that, you

627
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 3: know you feel like you had started started the building

628
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 3: process on go on and win, a championship all of

629
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 3: that was a little bit tough. To swallow but at the,

630
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 3: same time my mom always had the, best saying what's

631
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 3: for you is, for you and obviously that you, know me,

632
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 3: you know winning that championship and being a part of

633
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 3: that team wasn't, For me and obviously had had an

634
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 3: opportunity a little bit later On. With dallas, you know

635
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 3: we went to the finals in six came up a little,

636
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 3: bit short but still it was an unbelievable experience in

637
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 3: probably one of my best experiences as a as. A

638
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 3: professional is is that that journey of building that team

639
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 3: to to get to get to.

640
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: THE finals i wouldn't want the PLAYER that i just

641
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: traded to be in a gun shop when he gets.

642
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 2: THE call.

643
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 3: I was almost bought a. FORTY cow i got a

644
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 3: little bit, of it you Know what. I'M saying i

645
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 3: walked out, the store wind up not. Getting it probably

646
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 3: probably probably the. Best thing, but NOW because i didn't

647
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 3: even hear it, from HIM like, i said for, you

648
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 3: know guys sitting beside me telling me it is that,

649
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 3: you know you know you play if you can find

650
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 3: a way to, muster, Up man i'm gonna take care.

651
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 3: Of you you're the only franchise player on. Our ROSTER

652
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 3: so i mean IT was i was thinking More that

653
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 3: i'm getting a call about an extension more so than,

654
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 3: you know call to. Get traded but, BUT again i

655
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 3: think it was all ways a little bit of.

656
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,719
Speaker 2: H, you know just a little bit right.

657
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 3: RIVALRY there I Mean, JOE dumars, i mean, you know

658
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 3: he snaked a lot, of people you Know what i'm

659
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 3: saying FROM and i think you know a lot of

660
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 3: the players that played for, him, felt uh you don't

661
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 3: have the same view, of him, you know after uh

662
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 3: They left detroit as they did when they. Were THERE

663
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 3: so i mean that's even, you know players from from

664
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 3: the championship team. As Well so i'm not alone in

665
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 3: my feelings toward toward him and how he.

666
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: Does business you, gotta, remember yeah it's, a business and

667
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: not always the. Best business, real quick Just that, Washington

668
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: season MJ's. FAREWELL tour i understand that's not always, the easiest,

669
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: you know playing for one of the playing with one

670
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: of the best players of, all time sort of in

671
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: their farewell, send off probably a lot of, media attention

672
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: a lot of things are being said that are just

673
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: being said to. Generate clicks just what was that one

674
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: season like for you just coming off, you know this

675
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: this Great season detroit and then kind of just going

676
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: to to that.

677
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 3: Whole, SITUATION well I mean, I said i didn't really

678
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 3: want to, be there, YOU know, I think I mean

679
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 3: i was going from a team that, you know we

680
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 3: were just a couple of games from going To The eastern,

681
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 3: conference finals, you know and again or being in the

682
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 3: playoffs for the last couple, of years kind of working

683
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 3: our way up to that To now i'm going to

684
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 3: trade it to a team that where, you know they're

685
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 3: talking about making the playoffs for the first time in

686
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 3: the last, nine, Years right so, it's like, you know

687
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,719
Speaker 3: it's what wasn't my. IDEAL trade, i mean, you had,

688
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 3: you know sound good, in theory you know again playing,

689
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 3: you know Playing Alongside. Michael jordan but this Wasn't A

690
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 3: michael jordan that, you know we knew From The. Chicago

691
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 3: boys This Was michael jordan that WAS like, i said

692
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 3: it was on kind of a, farewell too, you know

693
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 3: kind of playing out the Strings. In washington still very,

694
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 3: you know a very, good player but but it Wasn't

695
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 3: A michael jordan and just being able to, you know

696
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 3: IT'S like i guess the old saying is never kind,

697
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 3: of uh meet your idols and. PLAY here, i mean,

698
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 3: you know just just from the standpoint of h who

699
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 3: who he was to me AND how i, revered him,

700
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 3: you know you know as a player watched him from

701
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 3: that from the outside and then just kind of feeling

702
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 3: the just just a natural just the animosity there and

703
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 3: against that not even. FROM us, i mean we got,

704
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 3: along rate but just kind of how, you know the

705
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 3: media and everybody pitted every, you know anybody that was

706
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 3: supposed to, you know Maybe Rival michael jordans on a.

707
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,239
Speaker 3: Roster everything it was just kind OF how i kind

708
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 3: of pitted THAT so i didn't enjoy that season. At

709
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 3: ALL Owner a poland decided to move Away From michael

710
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 3: jordan and then they signed to me to you signed

711
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 3: me to a two year extension There. In washington it

712
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 3: was almost like he chose Me. Over michael so, you

713
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 3: know so obviously that was a lot of The the,

714
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 3: michael supporters, you know just pitted me AGAINST like i

715
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 3: made a decision like.

716
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 2: MAN ain't i ain't got nothing to do. WITH it i.

717
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 3: Wish that that's the way above my. PAID grade I

718
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 3: wish i was Still, in detroit.

719
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 2: You Know what, i'm SAYING wish i. Was, anywhere so

720
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 2: BUT no. I was it.

721
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 3: Was good and then from from, that AGAIN like, I

722
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 3: said i missed probably forty some games that next year

723
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,479
Speaker 3: from having it at the end of the season. Knee

724
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 3: surgery and that's when They signed gilbert and again just

725
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 3: just a whole uh makeover of. The team and FROM

726
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 3: that i had an opportunity to Get. TO dallas i

727
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 3: WAS traded i Think On draft day For With devin

728
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 3: harris For For Antoine.

729
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 2: Antoine jamison so and that was that.

730
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 3: THE best, I mean i didn't EVEN know i was

731
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 3: gonna Be in dallas. THAT long i thought it could

732
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 3: just be, you know moving through another another deal. Would

733
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 3: happen and THEN when i, got, THERE man i wound

734
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 3: up being there. Five years. It was it was great

735
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 3: being able to Play, Alongside Derek jason terry And Uh,

736
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 3: Josh Howard, Marquise Daniels. ADRIAN griffin, i mean it was

737
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 3: it was a really fun team to be a. Part

738
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 3: of we grew into becoming a, you know a championship

739
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 3: caliber team, and PROBABLY like, i said one of, the

740
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 3: highlights highlight years of my whole career was at two

741
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 3: thousand and six.

742
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: And, doallars man you guys ran into quite the young

743
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: star though in. THE finals, i mean that's one of

744
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 1: my favorite runs to look, back on just what he was.

745
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 3: Doing there, but yeah getting getting calls every time he

746
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 3: went to the basket, got, yeah, yeah yeah we got

747
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 3: that's part of.

748
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 2: It, Too man it's like you go back. In there

749
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 2: it was it was some it was.

750
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 3: SOME buffoonery, i mean you never take anything away from

751
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 3: Him because i'm not that type. Of guy, but man

752
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 3: you look at some of the calls that happened in,

753
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 3: that game, you know me getting a flavorant foul for,

754
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 3: fact filing shock and having to miss. A game you

755
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 3: know after how we you know kind of, you know

756
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,720
Speaker 3: took them apart in those first, two games and even

757
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 3: the format has changed since then again from the two

758
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 3: three two, to uh you know two two one.

759
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 2: ONE one, I mean i just think that was a.

760
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 3: BIG game i mean that that pivotal game five where

761
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 3: we could, you know now we've possibly been back at at,

762
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 3: our place was where we, you know you spend all

763
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 3: year waiting for, you know earning the home court advantage

764
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 3: and you go on, the road have to winning two

765
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 3: games and have a chance to come back home.

766
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 2: Down ONE but i.

767
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 3: Think they eventually figured, it out but they didn't figure

768
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 3: it out and time enough for it to uh to

769
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 3: be beneficial.

770
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 2: To us but, but no.

771
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 3: It was it was a clowns, show man, you know

772
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 3: again taking nothing away from From from dwyane and, his

773
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 3: abilities but, you know some of those phantom file calls

774
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 3: that determined determined that, you know a couple of those

775
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 3: games ultimately determined.

776
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,240
Speaker 2: The series in, my mind.

777
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: What they had they had to, get uh they had

778
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: To get shack, is fourth so then they so then

779
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: they Got The shaq kobe gotta gotta feel.

780
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 3: That, narrative man that was that was a, funny thing like, we,

781
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 3: were uh We wanted shack in, the game you Know what,

782
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 3: i'm saying because when, you know he got In Early

783
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 3: filed trouble and a couple of, those games and the

784
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 3: games Changed when alonzo came in. The game alonzo he was,

785
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 3: you know he, was hungry, you know you know that for,

786
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 3: a championship, you know trying to get, a ring and,

787
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 3: man like, you know he protected that basket like. Nobody's

788
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 3: business so it, was, like man we didn't want To

789
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 3: See big zoe coming in the game because, you Know

790
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 3: obviously shaq, was back always was in those deep drops and,

791
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 3: picking rolls and we had more opportunities to take advantage.

792
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 3: Of that but he picked up a couple of quick

793
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,760
Speaker 3: files and the game changed for them in. That, favor

794
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 3: whenever Whenever, THE lions i always say that He's the

795
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 3: he was really THE the mvp of. That series when

796
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 3: you really dig deep into what was going, Going on.

797
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: Shaq's pushing three seventy five at, THAT point i.

798
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 2: DON'T know i mean he was still he's still getting

799
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 2: up and down the court a.

800
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 3: Little bit, but again just just, that personnel, you KNOW

801
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 3: they i mean they had they had Some Guys antoine

802
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 3: Walkers And.

803
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 2: Gary payton uh It Was.

804
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 3: Jason, williams, YEAH yeah i mean they, had to they

805
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 3: had to. Has them hassl was a young has them still, Hanging,

806
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 3: Around man it's always fun Representing the ogs to. The,

807
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,720
Speaker 3: fullest man, there's. GOOD dude i was able to spend

808
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 3: a little time down There in miami with, those, guys

809
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 3: man and just kind of the culture and always been

810
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 3: a big pat. RALLY fan I wish i could have

811
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 3: possibly got, to him, you know and and played, for him,

812
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 3: you know at some point earlier in. MY career i

813
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 3: just think the way they approaching the professionalism that they

814
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 3: go about it is. Top NOTCHING and i think you

815
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,720
Speaker 3: see that benefit and spol and how he was groomed

816
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 3: on the pad and what he's. DOING now i think

817
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,720
Speaker 3: he's one of the best in the business.

818
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: For, Sure well, STACK man i appreciate. Your time i'm

819
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: really glad we got to dig deep to really like

820
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: the first ten years of, Your career you're you're building

821
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 1: A little nba factory down There. In Nashville scottie pippen,

822
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 1: just declared obviously You Had, darius Garland Aaron, ne Smith

823
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: and i'm sure not Sure if i'm, forgetting anybody, but

824
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: uh that's a lot up with with. Next season what

825
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 1: do we have to look out for next year with

826
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: the With The.

827
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 3: Vanderbilt, COMMODOREES no I mean darius was got here right

828
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 3: before that we. Got here he was with the. Previous

829
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 3: staff but he's still, a big big parties. Back here

830
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 3: every summer he's working out with, you know with, the guys,

831
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 3: working up working on. HIS game, i mean it's fun

832
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 3: to watch how he approaches. This summer it was no

833
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 3: surprise that the type of year That that darius had

834
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 3: this year because of, you know the work that he

835
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 3: puts in in.

836
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 2: The summer aaron, You KNOW. Aaron. E smith you know

837
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 2: he's part.

838
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,879
Speaker 3: Of, this obviously he was in the rotation a little

839
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 3: bit earlier in, the year not in the rotation as

840
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 3: much now in, the playoffs but, you know he has a.

841
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 3: Bright Future saving league was another one of those players

842
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 3: that That's what detroit was. Able to it was a

843
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 3: second round pick that played himself into a multi, year

844
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 3: deal and now, You know scotty is kind of the

845
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 3: next in line for hopefully, you know get drafted, this

846
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 3: YEAR and i feel like he's gonna have a, you

847
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 3: know more than a, solid career just understands, the, game

848
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 3: obviously comes from a, great pedigree had a knack for,

849
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 3: you know drawing files and being able to. Use angles

850
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 3: So so i'm pretty sure that he's he's gonna stick

851
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 3: on the roster whenever he at some point. This year

852
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 3: and then just, for, us uh just kind, of retooling,

853
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 3: you know we went and signed a couple of guys

854
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 3: over the over this past weekend To replace scott to,

855
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 3: his production which is which is gonna be tough because

856
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 3: he was a high usage guy. For US but i

857
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,439
Speaker 3: feel like we have a different style that we will

858
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 3: play a little, bit now, you know a little bit

859
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 3: more continuity and but but we still have a Great Core,

860
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 3: Jordan Wright Quentin, Malo Brown, Liam Robbins, Trey THOMAS miles

861
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 3: studi we got we got guys that that that know

862
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 3: how to play and looking forward to take that. Next

863
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 3: step had a nice little run in THE N i

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Speaker 3: t and we're looking to be an ntua a tournament team.

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Speaker 2: Next year we'll be looking out. For you room for.

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Speaker 1: You, Again man thank you so much for. Your time appreciate.

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Speaker 1: Your support uh, take.

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Speaker 2: Care, no, Doubt man. Appreciate. You thanks that was.

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Speaker 1: The show thank you guys for listening and tuning in

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Speaker 1: a reminder to drop a rating and a review if

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Speaker 1: you liked what you. Just heard we'll be back next week.

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Speaker 1: WITH more i will tap in with.

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Speaker 2: You, then peace