Speaker 1: The following episode contains mature themes and imagery. Listener discretion
Speaker 1: is advised. From iHeart Podcasts. This is Supreme The Battle
Speaker 1: for Row Against to Wait, starring Maya Hawk and William H.
Speaker 2: Macy.
Speaker 3: Appreciate whenever you are ready, mister Chief Justice and Maya
Speaker 3: pleased the Court.
Speaker 4: Episode five. Good for the brief, Ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 5: We've now beg on our initial descent and in Dallas.
Speaker 6: We hope you enjoyed your flight.
Speaker 3: Thank you for flying with us today. Need a ride.
Speaker 7: Stranger, Dev?
Speaker 4: What are you doing here?
Speaker 8: Sorry?
Speaker 3: I didn't have time to make one of those signs
Speaker 3: with your name on it.
Speaker 7: He told me what flight you were on.
Speaker 2: Thought you could use a lift?
Speaker 7: Really? Yes, really, Sarah? Why is everyone always so surprised
Speaker 7: that I'm nice?
Speaker 3: How is the flight?
Speaker 9: I don't have a lot to compare it to, but bumpy,
Speaker 9: I do not intend to get back on one of
Speaker 9: those things for a long time.
Speaker 7: And how is New York?
Speaker 3: Pete say as good as they say pizza?
Speaker 9: Is that really what you want to know?
Speaker 10: Dev?
Speaker 7: I'm just making conversations, Sarah.
Speaker 4: Just say whatever you came to say, Dev.
Speaker 6: I know you're going to anyway.
Speaker 3: And what do I want to say.
Speaker 9: You'll probably start with it I told you so you
Speaker 9: were right not to trust Roy Lucas. Then maybe you'll
Speaker 9: want to call me a coward, maybe a quitter, a
Speaker 9: trader to the cause, and whatever other insults you can
Speaker 9: think of.
Speaker 3: Okay, being surprised I'm nice is one thing, assuming I'm
Speaker 3: just waiting to insult you.
Speaker 7: Is actually there.
Speaker 11: Was no decision to make.
Speaker 3: It was made for me.
Speaker 4: I was kicked off the case.
Speaker 9: M keep telling yourself that you never want me on
Speaker 9: this case anyway. Deb you judge me from the start.
Speaker 9: You didn't think I was radical enough. But let me
Speaker 9: guess now that Roy Lucas is taken over, you're just
Speaker 9: positive the case needs to be handled by a lady lawyer,
Speaker 9: no matter how unradical she is not.
Speaker 3: Just to be clear, I haven't said any of that, Sarah.
Speaker 3: You have, but I know you dead. Oh wow, Look
Speaker 3: who's judging now? I can see you're mad, Sarah. And
Speaker 3: you know what mad I can relate to. Who's ever
Speaker 3: fighting for.
Speaker 7: Us has to be mad, big mad, and have skin
Speaker 7: in the game. Roy Lucas is a damn good lawyer.
Speaker 3: I believe you, and I'm sure he'd like to win
Speaker 3: this thing. It's another notch on his bedpost. But here's
Speaker 3: the difference. He'd like to win. We need to win.
Speaker 9: Roy has experienced Deb the case will be safe in
Speaker 9: his hands.
Speaker 3: Well, if it wasn't safe in yours, you should have
Speaker 3: told us that before. Now you already won in the
Speaker 3: lower court, Sarah, I believe in going in with the
Speaker 3: hot hand.
Speaker 12: Just past our exit?
Speaker 9: You know, Deb, did you hear me?
Speaker 4: This isn't the way to my house?
Speaker 9: Where are we going?
Speaker 3: Just come with me today?
Speaker 4: Where what's going on?
Speaker 3: A few weeks ago you assigned be me and other
Speaker 3: girls from the group to collect stories.
Speaker 11: For the supporting briefs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, has that going?
Speaker 9: We need to submit them to the Supreme Court before argument.
Speaker 3: M Look who's interested?
Speaker 7: So you haven't quit the case?
Speaker 9: No, Deb, I haven't quit the case. Roy's become in
Speaker 9: lead counsel. He'll be the one to argue in court.
Speaker 9: But I plan on assisting him. However, I can great.
Speaker 9: Then come with me, you can assist to collect stories.
Speaker 3: I just cut off the plane.
Speaker 9: I haven't even seen rong yet.
Speaker 7: Sarah. You're acting like you have a choice. I'm driving, Deb.
Speaker 9: Come on, you've been give me crep since day one.
Speaker 9: You know, I just did this for the legal experience.
Speaker 7: Time to let the professionals take over.
Speaker 9: You should be doing backflips.
Speaker 8: Uh huh?
Speaker 2: Where are we?
Speaker 10: This is the nicest neighborhood.
Speaker 3: I got those girl's name from someone I spoke to
Speaker 3: at the referral service.
Speaker 12: You'll see.
Speaker 13: Hi are you deb?
Speaker 3: I am, and this is Sarah Weddington.
Speaker 13: Nice to meet you both.
Speaker 5: I'm call me Polly. Come on in my mother's outs.
Speaker 3: Your timing is perfect.
Speaker 13: Get you anything. I made some lemonade.
Speaker 4: I'm fine, Thank you.
Speaker 3: Lemonade would be great. Polly. Thanks your friend Annie told
Speaker 3: me you might be willing to talk to Sarah and
Speaker 3: me about your situation.
Speaker 13: Annie said I could trust you too.
Speaker 3: You can. We're putting together a case for the Supreme Court.
Speaker 13: I know, but I can't testify.
Speaker 9: There are no witnesses in the Supreme Court. Actually, we
Speaker 9: send them a long documents story called briefs. The more
Speaker 9: pertinent stories we can include about the women of the
Speaker 9: law effects the better.
Speaker 3: We just want to hear your story, Polly, or may
Speaker 3: take some notes if that's okay.
Speaker 13: Are you an assistant on the case. Missus Whittington.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I guess so. So Polly isn't your real name.
Speaker 13: I take it. Annie said you wouldn't need my name.
Speaker 3: We don't. Polly'll do just fine.
Speaker 5: I'd lose my job. You can't let anyone know I
Speaker 5: spoke to you. My daddy's a lawyer.
Speaker 13: If you try to pin this on me.
Speaker 9: No one's trying to pin anything on you, Poullie, not
Speaker 9: on anyone. Pseudonyms work for us for the brief. Long
Speaker 9: as all the other details are accurate, your real name
Speaker 9: will be kept under lock and key.
Speaker 4: I promise.
Speaker 13: I'm sorry to be so.
Speaker 5: It's just the way I've been treated all this time.
Speaker 5: Let's just say I don't have any illusions anymore. But
Speaker 5: you didn't expect to see a girl like me in
Speaker 5: this situation.
Speaker 4: What kind of girl is that, Polly?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 13: I was a cheerleader. Daddy's a lawyer.
Speaker 3: All types of girls need abortions. Polly, you got nothing
Speaker 3: to be ashamed about.
Speaker 13: See the diaphragm failed. You believe that?
Speaker 5: And I was not gonna keep my professor's baby ruin
Speaker 5: my life just because a stupid rubber disc got dislodged.
Speaker 9: How far along were you.
Speaker 5: I'd only missed one period, but enough to start panicking.
Speaker 5: I tried to find a doctor, but no one would
Speaker 5: even talk to me. So I came up with an idea.
Speaker 13: I figured if I started the job, a doctor would
Speaker 13: have no choice.
Speaker 11: But to finish it.
Speaker 5: If you turn up at the hospital and show them
Speaker 5: you're bleeding, they have to take care of you.
Speaker 6: That's the law.
Speaker 5: My aunt Irene wasn't as smart as me. I was
Speaker 5: not going to be like her. I wasn't gonna rely
Speaker 5: on the knitting needle and then just try to tough
Speaker 5: it out. That's how you end up did You must
Speaker 5: must get a doctor involved to kind of clean it up.
Speaker 13: So I was just gonna get it started. It hurt
Speaker 13: so much, I.
Speaker 5: Swear it felt like I was a soldier getting stitched
Speaker 5: up on a field with no anesthesia. Just gritted my
Speaker 5: teeth and did what it had to be done. I
Speaker 5: called the taxi. I told the cab driver not to
Speaker 5: take me to the Cavolic hospital, to go to the
Speaker 5: one on Wisconsin instead.
Speaker 13: But I'm not great with blood, and there was a
Speaker 13: lot of it, big streak of blood on the taxi seat.
Speaker 5: Actually, I was so embarrassed I was back there trying
Speaker 5: to wipe it up with my skirt. But I was dizzy.
Speaker 5: I was so worried I was going to bleed out.
Speaker 5: Right in the back of this man's cab. I almost fainted.
Speaker 13: Luckily the cab driver was a.
Speaker 5: Kind man, tells me to put my head back, talks
Speaker 5: to me the whole time, wanted to keep me awake.
Speaker 13: He said he had a daughter my age.
Speaker 5: When we got there, I fell right out of the car,
Speaker 5: hit my head on the curb.
Speaker 13: The nurses came running. Remember a lot after that, except.
Speaker 5: Except what one nurse was pretty darn cruel whispered to
Speaker 5: one of the others that I was going to hell.
Speaker 5: She doesn't need to tell me I'm going to hell.
Speaker 5: I'm Catholic, I know that, but that's another day's worry.
Speaker 9: So it's fair to say your faith complicated the decision
Speaker 9: about how to handle the unloaded pregnancy.
Speaker 5: No, Missus Weddington, it simplified it. Being Catholic is what
Speaker 5: drove me to getting it done. My mother actually said
Speaker 5: a few years ago, if you get pregnant, dear, have
Speaker 5: it taken care of and don't ever let me know
Speaker 5: about it. Mother's desperate for me to marry us in
Speaker 5: marry up. She wants me to marry a boy named Perry,
Speaker 5: actually Protestant.
Speaker 13: To Perry. She'd die if she knew I.
Speaker 5: Had an abortion, and my Jewish professor's abortion at that.
Speaker 5: But she'd extra die if I turned up pregnant, my
Speaker 5: big belly window and all her dreams a social climate.
Speaker 13: I'm gonna get some water. Can I get you to
Speaker 13: anything more?
Speaker 3: We actually need to go in a minute.
Speaker 5: Polly, I'll just be a sec My throat is suddenly
Speaker 5: so dry.
Speaker 3: I can't believe I'm the one saying this. But your
Speaker 3: bedside manner could use some work, Sarah, So it's fair
Speaker 3: to say your faith complicated your decision about how to
Speaker 3: handle your unwanted pregnancy. Come on, she's a scared twenty
Speaker 3: year old. Talk to her like a human being.
Speaker 9: We need to think like the non male judges who
Speaker 9: will be reading this dep We need to pretend we're
Speaker 9: cross examining her if we want these briefs to have
Speaker 9: any weight, because you know what the justices will be
Speaker 9: thinking that she seduced her professor, got pregnant, could have
Speaker 9: kept the baby and raised it with a man with
Speaker 9: a stable job, or given it up for adoption. But
Speaker 9: mostly what they'll be thinking is there that she should
Speaker 9: have kept her legs closed if she didn't want to
Speaker 9: get pregnant. Sounds like she had a consensual affair and
Speaker 9: then just turn it the human life growing inside her
Speaker 9: because her mom would have been embarrassed.
Speaker 13: Wow, I'm not saying that's.
Speaker 9: What I think, Dad, But what I think isn't relevant.
Speaker 3: I went to a Methodist college, just like Polly's not
Speaker 3: a lot of clothes legs, Sarah.
Speaker 9: Everybody's doing it isn't a strong legal argument.
Speaker 13: Deb I was just telling you the truth.
Speaker 9: Polly, I know you were. I'm just trying to think
Speaker 9: of what will be helpful for the case winning the
Speaker 9: justice's sympathy.
Speaker 13: Who would be good sympathy?
Speaker 5: Huh? Maybe you should include the fact that that I
Speaker 5: can't have kids anymore at twenty. That's what the doctors
Speaker 5: told me. Anyway, I probably won't be able to carry
Speaker 5: a pregnancy. At least I won't have to worry about
Speaker 5: getting another abortion.
Speaker 3: Proud of yourself, Sarah, I particularly no, when did we
Speaker 3: switch places? I thought I was the cynical, sarcastic bitch
Speaker 3: and you were the peppy, prom queen.
Speaker 9: What I am is a lawyer, deb not a shorthands stonographer.
Speaker 9: We have to think like the opposition here or the
Speaker 9: briefs are meaningless. I thought you wanted to win.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, I'm cranky.
Speaker 4: Can we stop for lunch before the next one?
Speaker 2: I thought you'd never ask.
Speaker 9: I swear, Tob I could eat everything.
Speaker 14: On this menu right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I've lost my appetite completely.
Speaker 6: Oh ladies, what can I get you?
Speaker 9: Hi?
Speaker 3: Annette?
Speaker 6: Do I know you?
Speaker 3: It's deb Margulis. We've spoken on the phone. This is
Speaker 3: Sarah Weddington. When's your next.
Speaker 8: Break, lady lawyer? Huh?
Speaker 6: What a time to be alive.
Speaker 3: Sarah won the case for us in Dallas. She's a
Speaker 3: transitioning in a role before the Supreme Court.
Speaker 8: Though.
Speaker 6: Let me guess a man is tagging you out.
Speaker 9: How do you and Debt know each other?
Speaker 6: I'll take that as a yes, we don't know each other. Actually,
Speaker 6: we spoke on the phone that preferred me to someone
Speaker 6: last time I got pregnant.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was before we had doctors we could rely
Speaker 3: on in that. I still feel guilty.
Speaker 6: Hey, I survived and it worked, right, I got unpregnant.
Speaker 3: You also ended up in a hospital, still worked Annette.
Speaker 9: We're taking stories for our brief If I could start
Speaker 9: with some basic infone name, age.
Speaker 6: Occupation Annette waitress. Obviously I'm not going to give you
Speaker 6: a last name. Thirty two years old. I know I
Speaker 6: look older. I have kids will do that to you.
Speaker 4: When did you last have the procedure?
Speaker 6: Wish I had it thirteen years ago. That's why I'm
Speaker 6: in this whole mess. This whole mess being my life.
Speaker 6: I had Marissa when I was nineteen. My boyfriend pulled
Speaker 6: a disappear and act better than the amazing Randy. My
Speaker 6: father leaned on the Porschnook's family as hard as he could,
Speaker 6: but no dice. I'm making it to the altar. My
Speaker 6: mom was so embarrassed she kept us all inside, including
Speaker 6: my brothers and sisters. Couldn't show our faces in the
Speaker 6: neighborhood for two months, and they found me a replacement husband, Bill,
Speaker 6: he worked with my father at the factory, graciously agreed
Speaker 6: to raise my little bastard baby girl. I've had four
Speaker 6: more kids since then.
Speaker 9: And does Bill know you terminated the most recent pregnancy.
Speaker 6: You got any idea how diired I am?
Speaker 11: Do you have kids?
Speaker 6: Missus Weddington.
Speaker 4: No, I don't.
Speaker 6: Bill doesn't get along with the oldest Marissa. The others do,
Speaker 6: all right, they're little, but him and Marissa. It's bad.
Speaker 6: And forget about money. This last time you knocked me up,
Speaker 6: i'd just gotten a job at my kid's school. They
Speaker 6: fire the pregnant teachers as soon as they find out
Speaker 6: school policy. I tried to get the abortion before I
Speaker 6: started showing, but the principal's witch of a secretary caught
Speaker 6: me vomiting in the bathroom fired me that afternoon.
Speaker 3: Where'd you get this one done? A natte?
Speaker 6: The guy y'all referred me to told me to bring
Speaker 6: five hundred bucks and wait outside the Starlight Diner. Where
Speaker 6: the hell was I going to get five hundred bucks?
Speaker 6: Might as well have been five hundred thousand. You don't
Speaker 6: want to know how I got it, but I got
Speaker 6: it anyway. I was told to get in a blucid
Speaker 6: end that pulled up to the diner at six am.
Speaker 6: They blindfolded me. You believe that.
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry.
Speaker 6: I was shaking. I was so scared. I kept thinking
Speaker 6: none of my people knew where I was going. What
Speaker 6: if I never came back? What would happen to Marissa
Speaker 6: and the rest of them. Maybe they'd think I'd just
Speaker 6: abandoned them. But when they took off my blindfold, it
Speaker 6: looked like a real doctor's office. Clean. They gave me
Speaker 6: a shot, said it was antibiotics, no anesthesia, no anesthesia.
Speaker 4: Are you serious?
Speaker 3: Well that's pretty typical, Sarah. She had complications from the anesthesia.
Speaker 3: They could get found out too much of her risk.
Speaker 6: Plus they gotta get a cent and out of there quick.
Speaker 6: Can't be waiting for us to come too. I have
Speaker 6: given birth five times. How a root canal wants electrocute
Speaker 6: of myself on the toaster and nothing, Nothing has hurt
Speaker 6: me so bad as that can.
Speaker 9: I just asking it. Why didn't you go to another state?
Speaker 9: It's legal in California or New York.
Speaker 6: How the hell you think I'm going to afford to
Speaker 6: go to California and take days off, lose this job,
Speaker 6: and who's going to take care of the kids? Not built?
Speaker 6: I didn't mean to suggest the hell you didn't. Who
Speaker 6: is this chick?
Speaker 3: Deb Sarah is okay? I know she doesn't look it,
Speaker 3: but I promise she's one of us.
Speaker 6: Well, I gotta get back before the manager starts looking
Speaker 6: for me.
Speaker 10: How's your knowing it?
Speaker 6: I'm all right, doctor said, I can keep having kids
Speaker 6: if I want, hippie, I'll be paying off those bills forever.
Speaker 6: But yeah, okay, thank you.
Speaker 3: For talking to us.
Speaker 4: It's useful for the case.
Speaker 6: I'm glad it's useful to somebody.
Speaker 3: What do you think, Sarah, She's good for the brief.
Speaker 9: She's sympathetic, married, she has more kids than she and
Speaker 9: her husband can afford. The liberal justices will appreciate that,
Speaker 9: and we can play down the first unwed pregnancy she wishes.
Speaker 7: She aboarded, glad she was ethical enough for you.
Speaker 4: I want to win, Deb, same as you.
Speaker 9: With this court, with Burger and Blackman and Stewart, we
Speaker 9: need the most squeaky clean cases. We can find girls
Speaker 9: who remind the conservative judges of their daughters and sisters.
Speaker 4: Where are we going now?
Speaker 3: Now we go to the hospital with the doctor there,
Speaker 3: and she has a patient who may be willing.
Speaker 11: To talk to us.
Speaker 7: But Sarah, you gotta be gentlemen.
Speaker 9: I'm not going to attack some poor girl in the hospital.
Speaker 10: Deb give me some credit, Doctor Dennis, please.
Speaker 11: Don doctor Caplin, Deb, come in, come in. I'm just
Speaker 11: finishing up a chart.
Speaker 3: This is the lawyer I told you about, Sarah Weddington.
Speaker 15: Good to meet you, Sarah, you too, Doctor, appreciate your help.
Speaker 15: I read the coverage from me one at the court
Speaker 15: here in Dallas. You're a hell of a lawyer. We
Speaker 15: somehow win this thing in Washington. It will be because of
Speaker 15: you that.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 9: It's a group effort, though, truth be told, I'll be
Speaker 9: taking a lesser role in.
Speaker 11: The case from here and ow.
Speaker 15: You're not abandoning us, are you, Sarah.
Speaker 9: No, it's a case like this is like musical chairs.
Speaker 9: It may be my turn to sit a song out,
Speaker 9: that's all.
Speaker 11: Uh huh.
Speaker 3: Tell Sarah what you were telling me over the phone.
Speaker 6: Doc.
Speaker 15: There's been a three hundred percent increase in pregnant women
Speaker 15: taking for littlemi trying to induce abortion. These women are
Speaker 15: giving birth to children with missing arms, missing legs.
Speaker 4: Jesus, that's awful.
Speaker 15: Women are drinking castor oil, just drinking it from a bottle.
Speaker 15: At Coca Cola. We've had women come in who inserted
Speaker 15: paintbrushes and curtain rods into their uterus and an attempt
Speaker 15: to abort ballpoint pens. I had a patient this morning
Speaker 15: who was brought in from the bus depot. They found
Speaker 15: her passed out and bleeding internally.
Speaker 3: You got someone for us to talk to.
Speaker 9: Doc.
Speaker 11: Come with me, Hi, Grace, how are you holding up today?
Speaker 4: Better?
Speaker 14: I think?
Speaker 4: Thank you? Doctor Richard sent me flowers. See they're lovely.
Speaker 15: These are the two women I mentioned Grace since deb
Speaker 15: and this is Sarah, the ones compiling that report for court.
Speaker 15: You're still up for talking to them?
Speaker 4: What do you all want to know?
Speaker 11: I'll leave you all to it.
Speaker 4: How about we start with the basics. First name age.
Speaker 1: My name's Grace. I'll be seventeen in October. Who's Richard?
Speaker 1: Is that your boyfriend fiance? At least he says he's
Speaker 1: gonna marry me. That's how I ended up here. We
Speaker 1: didn't think it was so bad to do it since
Speaker 1: we were getting married. Anyway, Maybe that's more detail than
Speaker 1: you need for your four. My mom's always yelling at
Speaker 1: me from being too frank. Anyway, I didn't get my period,
Speaker 1: So Richard got a phone number from his buddy who
Speaker 1: goes to ut We called and the guy said to
Speaker 1: come to this hotel and Winnetka Heights. It's a white neighborhood.
Speaker 1: I felt like everyone was looking at us. When we
Speaker 1: got to the place, the room that were these four
Speaker 1: big white men. They told Richard to wait outside, but
Speaker 1: he insisted on staying. I don't think he trusted him.
Speaker 1: They certainly scared the hell out of me. Told Richard
Speaker 1: if he was gonna stay, he had to wait in
Speaker 1: the bathroom. The main one. What I remember most is
Speaker 1: how dirty his fingernails were. He put him inside of me.
Speaker 1: He said he was.
Speaker 4: Said it was to check how far along I was, but.
Speaker 1: He was grabbing me. It really hurt my breast. You
Speaker 1: can still see the bruises. I knew Richard would come
Speaker 1: out of the bathroom if I called for him, but
Speaker 1: he would have stopped the whole thing, and we had
Speaker 1: to get this done. I did scream once when the
Speaker 1: man started. It hurt so bad. He said if I
Speaker 1: screamed again, he'd have to stop. And I just wanted
Speaker 1: the baby out so bad. I would have done anything anything.
Speaker 1: I'm sort of glad he didn't give me any anesthesia.
Speaker 1: I don't know what else he would have done to
Speaker 1: me while I was asleep. Afterwards, he said I had
Speaker 1: to get out of there fast.
Speaker 4: I felt like I could barely move. I was cramping
Speaker 4: so bad.
Speaker 1: Richard tried to carry me out, but they stopped him,
Speaker 1: said it would draw attention out front. Somehow we made
Speaker 1: it to the bus stop next day, though I couldn't
Speaker 1: even walk.
Speaker 3: Richard brought me here after mine. I slept for eighteen
Speaker 3: hours straight.
Speaker 9: Da. I didn't know you.
Speaker 14: I didn't know that.
Speaker 3: I didn't think my story would be helpful for the brief.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I was lucky though, cause I was able
Speaker 3: to go to England, for it was already legal there.
Speaker 3: A friend of mine from college was living in London.
Speaker 3: I stayed with her, went to the doctor, went under,
Speaker 3: recovered pretty quick all there was to it. Slept like
Speaker 3: a dead person at her flat. But the next day
Speaker 3: we went for a walk in the park. It's okay
Speaker 3: when it's legal, it's safe.
Speaker 11: Grace, Mama, Oh there you are finally. Are you all right?
Speaker 11: Oh y'all? Forward is burning up, Grace.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be fine.
Speaker 1: Mama.
Speaker 11: You disappeared on us.
Speaker 4: It was only supposed to be an afternoon.
Speaker 11: I didn't think, Mama, s s sh It's okay.
Speaker 1: Richard's friend said it was gonna be a real doctor,
Speaker 1: or almost it was planning to be a doctor, but
Speaker 1: something happened at the end of medical school or something.
Speaker 14: How'd you find me?
Speaker 11: I made Richard tell me where you were. Oh, he
Speaker 11: held out best he could. Grace, You've always told me everything, Mama.
Speaker 1: I feel so dirty now. The man touched me, dirty, disgusting.
Speaker 1: If that's enough, put it out of your mind. Let
Speaker 1: me talk to your doctor.
Speaker 3: Doctor Kaplan is in her office by the nurses station. Ma'am,
Speaker 3: thank you.
Speaker 11: I'll be back.
Speaker 4: You ladies get what you needed. You've been really helpful, Grace.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Doctor said you're going to court. I'm glad there's some
Speaker 1: woman doing it. Even the men like Richard to do
Speaker 1: the right thing. No man is going to care enough.
Speaker 1: It's not their lives on the line, is it. Are
Speaker 1: you gonna put the men in jail? Men like my
Speaker 1: doctor put me here? No, that's not That would be
Speaker 1: a different sort of case. He should be in jail.
Speaker 9: You would have to testify, Grace, go to court.
Speaker 4: Point about I don't even know his name? Well I didn't.
Speaker 1: I just find a way to get on that abortion flight.
Speaker 1: Abortion flight, you know, most flights Friday mornings from Dallas
Speaker 1: to the El Paso. I heard it's one hundred percent
Speaker 1: women they cross over into Mexico to have the procedure there.
Speaker 9: Sarah, you all right, I'm gonna go check on doctor.
Speaker 11: Katherlin, missus Weddington. Are you okay?
Speaker 5: Doc?
Speaker 11: I don't know.
Speaker 9: I'm having trouble breathing.
Speaker 11: Sit down, put your head between your knees.
Speaker 4: Where's Grace's mother?
Speaker 11: She went back to see Grace. Take a deep breath. Sarah, Dan,
Speaker 11: sit up, you know right now?
Speaker 3: I just.
Speaker 11: I've heard some stories today, I'll bet.
Speaker 14: How do you do it?
Speaker 1: Doctor?
Speaker 9: How do you hear all these stories day at day out?
Speaker 4: How do you rebate stand it?
Speaker 11: Deb tells me you're quitting the case.
Speaker 9: No, No, Deb is wrong. I'm still part of Row.
Speaker 9: I'm just not going to be arguing the case in
Speaker 9: the Supreme Court. There are other important jobs to.
Speaker 11: Do, Sarah.
Speaker 15: Do you know how many female doctors I work with
Speaker 15: here at Women's Hospital.
Speaker 5: I'm bety.
Speaker 15: I bet I'm the only one medicine pays, and you
Speaker 15: know what men will do to keep us out of
Speaker 15: anything where money flows and praise and recognition. There were
Speaker 15: a few other women in my med school Cluess, but
Speaker 15: I don't blame him for taking different paths. It just
Speaker 15: bothers me because the men think it proves their point.
Speaker 15: There were not cut out for this. Men couldn't handle
Speaker 15: a day of what we go through, of what they
Speaker 15: put us through. I count myself lucky that I was
Speaker 15: able to stick it out some combination of upbringing, talent, ambition.
Speaker 15: You might know something about what that's like.
Speaker 4: I haven't quit the case, Doctor Caplin.
Speaker 15: We need to stick it out, Sarah, for no other
Speaker 15: reason than to show them we can. No matter how
Speaker 15: inhospitable they make the world for us, we have to
Speaker 15: be better than all of them, just to get anywhere.
Speaker 15: How are you feeling, Sarah, Oh?
Speaker 12: To see Doc?
Speaker 9: I don't know.
Speaker 11: Would you like to meet a few more people.
Speaker 4: I threw myself down the stairs.
Speaker 13: I took a knitting needle, a coat hanger.
Speaker 4: He punched me in the stomach, over and over. I
Speaker 4: drank cast or till I couldn't anymore.
Speaker 11: We were just having fun.
Speaker 3: I was raped. He was my father's friend. Here was
Speaker 3: my brother's friend.
Speaker 4: He said, no one would believe me. He said if
Speaker 4: I told anyone, he'd kill me. He disappeared, He walked away.
Speaker 14: I never saw him again.
Speaker 11: I flew to Puerto Rico.
Speaker 3: I took the bus from our passout. I went alone.
Speaker 14: He took all the money I had and demanded more.
Speaker 14: I bled until I passed out.
Speaker 4: I was eighteen, I was I was fifteen.
Speaker 11: It hurts so bad.
Speaker 3: I almost died.
Speaker 4: My friend said my cousin Jenny friend made my mother died.
Speaker 14: I never told anyone.
Speaker 11: So, Sarah, what are you going to do?
Speaker 4: Supreme?
Speaker 1: The Battle for Roh from iHeart Podcasts created and written
Speaker 1: by Aaron Tracy, directed by Rachel Winter, starring Maya Hawk,
Speaker 1: William H.
Speaker 4: Macy, and Abigail.
Speaker 1: Breslin, also featuring Andrea Savage as deb Lacrisia Brown as Grace,
Speaker 1: Kim Yancy Moore as Wanda, Megan Grant as Polly, Jinkolella
Speaker 1: as Annette Tearsa Mannis as Doctor Kaplan. Executive produced by
Speaker 1: Eva Longoria, Ben Spector, Rachel Winter and Aaron Tracy, as
Speaker 1: well as Katrina Norvell and Anna Stump. From iHeart produced
Speaker 1: by Kelly and Kelly. Executive producers for Kelly and Kelly
Speaker 1: are Chris Kelly, Lauren Berkovich, and Pat Kelly. Produced by
Speaker 1: Tamara Black for Kelly and Kelly. Director of Audio Chris Kelly.
Speaker 1: Original score by Hamilton Lighthauser and Anna Stump edited in
Speaker 1: sound designed by Paul Tatoskini. For a full list of credits,
Speaker 1: please see show notes.
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