Speaker 1: They around the NFL podcast will not say super Bowl today.
Speaker 1: I'm the Chris Wesley podcast studio. It's around the NFL.
Speaker 1: I am Dan has It's.
Speaker 2: Got heroes here, Greg Rosehal Mark Sessler. Now, we will
Speaker 2: not say that word. All the other basic bro podcasts
Speaker 2: out there shrug their shoulders and say, let's just dig out.
Speaker 2: What is it Today's linebackers Day snore?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, lifeless.
Speaker 2: There's more to the NFL than the big game, which
Speaker 2: is permitted. There's more to life, a lot more. You
Speaker 2: may notice that Mark and I are on the show today,
Speaker 2: and that is because the Sports Podcast Awards made their
Speaker 2: announcement the winner of the Best American Football Podcast.
Speaker 1: You know what me around the NFL? Thank you. Wow,
Speaker 1: what a moment. I mean, I think it would be
Speaker 1: good to sell.
Speaker 2: In case there's media outlets that want to need a quote.
Speaker 1: Let's do a little press or an announcement of some
Speaker 1: kind of you know.
Speaker 2: We want to thank the fans, of course, we want
Speaker 2: to thank the academy at the Sports Podcast Awards. We
Speaker 2: want to thank everyone who got out and voted to
Speaker 2: take out the Fantasy Footballers first place, the second or
Speaker 2: for a second places first loser as they say. Something
Speaker 2: called Nightcap came in thirdclat smellulator.
Speaker 1: We win. We are victorious. Oh so thank you to everybody.
Speaker 1: That's nice. It's been a while since we took home
Speaker 1: some hardware. I would say this. You know, we we are.
Speaker 3: We work with a number of people involved with a
Speaker 3: lot of the shows, and so you know we take
Speaker 3: special pride selling friends. Yeah, I mean we take special
Speaker 3: pride like they It's it resets the everyone's are corp
Speaker 3: expectations and I think it goes on our resume. I
Speaker 3: don't know what we do. We win something beyond I mean.
Speaker 1: Eric, did we win it? But like physically.
Speaker 4: Cour Corvette, we get that tweet, yeah, trophy or something.
Speaker 5: But yeah, we had the fantasy footballers on our podcast earlier.
Speaker 5: It's nice to take them out pff more like pf humph.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I do feel like too far.
Speaker 5: I do feel like we are. You know, we're kind
Speaker 5: of like the twenty fourteen the music Patriots. Go ahead,
Speaker 5: and you know the Patriots had a lot of early success.
Speaker 4: We did too.
Speaker 5: We famously took home a Stitcher Award in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 4: Podcasts Our Producer did.
Speaker 5: Nominated for an iTunes Award for the Best Podcast.
Speaker 4: I don't even know if they had a winner, butore.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if iTunes exist.
Speaker 4: Right or Apple Store.
Speaker 5: But it's been ten years since then, and I now
Speaker 5: that we've won another award and been recognized, feel like
Speaker 5: our producer that stole that first award.
Speaker 4: And had it physically the Awards distribute, had.
Speaker 5: It sent to their house and then we never saw it.
Speaker 5: They are like the Bill Buckner of our podcast. I
Speaker 5: forgive them now. I forgive It's okay.
Speaker 2: I believe that this subments our legacy as the greatest
Speaker 2: NFL podcast that has ever existed.
Speaker 1: And I already knew that, but having this award, there
Speaker 1: is no other way.
Speaker 2: Now, just like hoisting the Lombardi Trophy on the day
Speaker 2: of the Big Game, you can no longer argue who's
Speaker 2: the best, the best there is, who the best there was,
Speaker 2: the best there ever will be.
Speaker 3: On a personal note, one of the people that we
Speaker 3: took out just cut them off of the neck, was
Speaker 3: someone that took issue with the fact that I was
Speaker 3: previously gamed along with you guys as a top ten
Speaker 3: football insider that show is.
Speaker 1: Out take a seat, stool guts.
Speaker 3: He go, We're gonna see all these people in a
Speaker 3: week and they're gonna and they're going to twit us.
Speaker 1: I can't say that. I can't say that, Sessler. I mean,
Speaker 1: how about that guy?
Speaker 4: It is that guy.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you who he is. He is a member
Speaker 2: of around the NFL. The best I think we've.
Speaker 5: Covered it now we've got Although I'm actually in the world,
Speaker 5: I'm in a tough spot here because us winning a
Speaker 5: Actually I could view as an insult towards me that
Speaker 5: our listeners so badly didn't want a podcast just toasted
Speaker 5: they didn't have myself, was a window there that, like
Speaker 5: we were actually trailing by a lot and suddenly they
Speaker 5: heard that and it just went crazy to avoid that.
Speaker 2: So you Mark, you've said it so many times inappropriately,
Speaker 2: this would be the time where you could mention they
Speaker 2: had an opportunity for a violent coudeta.
Speaker 3: Right, and they and yet they stood down that they
Speaker 3: were non plus by the concept of Greg taking over
Speaker 3: the show on a solo effort.
Speaker 2: They put down their shields. Well, listen, that's a good
Speaker 2: way to start the show. And yeah, if you could
Speaker 2: find out, Eric, if you could let us know, we
Speaker 2: could end the show right there.
Speaker 1: Do we Yeah, do we get something for it?
Speaker 2: Because I would like I see that glass right there,
Speaker 2: right next to my the football I got for helping.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Clemson, I believe it.
Speaker 5: Was you didn't help anywhere, the most ridiculous thing I know.
Speaker 2: Says otherwise and signed by him, So helping out the
Speaker 2: underprivileged youth of Clemson, Gregy. We have that in the
Speaker 2: window for anyone who walks by, including Greg, right next
Speaker 2: to it.
Speaker 1: We should have something.
Speaker 6: Yet, I'll reach out to see what comes along with it.
Speaker 6: Maybe some pizza comes with it.
Speaker 3: Well, well, I think at this point they realize who
Speaker 3: they're dealing with. Dejorno. It's like, let's start shipping product,
Speaker 3: all right.
Speaker 2: So with that said, we have a nice show ahead
Speaker 2: of us because we will not say it. In fact,
Speaker 2: if anyone says the name of the game as it's
Speaker 2: popularly known, or even mentions the two teams, either of
Speaker 2: the two teams, right, it is a And this is
Speaker 2: going to be documented by our producer Eric.
Speaker 1: Five dollars, Fine, five dollars. It's not insignificant when you start,
Speaker 1: when it starts.
Speaker 5: I remember when this, when this show first started, the tradition,
Speaker 5: and I feel like Wes struggled with it.
Speaker 4: He would have owed a.
Speaker 1: Lot of yes, I remember that.
Speaker 5: I think the NFL should calm down on, you know,
Speaker 5: not letting anyone use that word. We can't use that
Speaker 5: word today. But driving into work, I didn't notice in
Speaker 5: our town of Inglewood where Sofi Stadium kind of barged in, Hey,
Speaker 5: we're taking over Sofi Stadium. It's the Big Game block
Speaker 5: party on Sunday. Can we give it in Inglewood a breakout?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: We give the city a champions rights to that certain
Speaker 1: phrase to it only feels fair.
Speaker 3: I mean we we've essentially taken over that city with
Speaker 3: the stadium and other in our office, so we got.
Speaker 1: Bomber down the street building an arena too.
Speaker 2: It's like, guy, I mean, we're turning this into a
Speaker 2: vast playground. Can we at least give them the rights
Speaker 2: to the big name game's true name?
Speaker 3: Wait, one technical question, like so if you say the
Speaker 3: name of the of the Big Game, you owe five
Speaker 3: dollars to who?
Speaker 1: Where is it going?
Speaker 2: It's going into a slush fund for the show for
Speaker 2: U said another time.
Speaker 1: Like here's a great example. You know, want to take
Speaker 1: a ten bucks.
Speaker 2: We talked about, well, I can't actually say what it
Speaker 2: is right now because it's something that's coming up next week.
Speaker 2: But I have there's a certain project, a creative project
Speaker 2: that we're working on that the fans are gonna find
Speaker 2: out soon about that's gonna need some type of capital
Speaker 2: to back it, revolving T shirts that it could go
Speaker 2: toward that fund beautiful, So it's a slush fund and
Speaker 2: you can't say it.
Speaker 1: And Eric, it is so important that you.
Speaker 2: Legislated because we might miss something, and the worst thing
Speaker 2: is when everyone misses it and then after the show
Speaker 2: the listeners like, oh you did say.
Speaker 1: It can't happen.
Speaker 2: Speaking of listeners, we're going to open up the mail bag,
Speaker 2: and again it's a don't say you know what mail bag,
Speaker 2: no questions pertaining to the big game or the participants
Speaker 2: involved in it.
Speaker 1: But before we do that, let's hit the news. Damn
Speaker 1: it was going to be a winner. You gotta have
Speaker 1: confidence in your team, gotta have confidence in yourself, and
Speaker 1: if you don't have that confidence, you can't play football.
Speaker 1: We all felt we could win. We won, and I
Speaker 1: asked Joe specifically, Joe, do you feel like you're King
Speaker 1: of the hill. Joe, You're king of the Hill.
Speaker 4: No, no, we're King of the hell.
Speaker 1: We got the team. Brother, that's sort of a starting game.
Speaker 2: January nineteen sixty nine, and that was sal Marciano, who
Speaker 2: was a mainstay in New York sports coverage, who as
Speaker 2: a young man asked Joe King of the Hill, which
Speaker 2: is just one of the more funny, like.
Speaker 1: Outdated ways of expressing yourself.
Speaker 2: But that wanted to get some Joe in there during
Speaker 2: another trying era for his team. Let's get to the news,
Speaker 2: and let's start with the coaching carousel, which it's coming.
Speaker 2: It's coming to a stop. Every head coaching spot is
Speaker 2: now filled. Today we learned that the Washington Commanders have
Speaker 2: made their decision hiring Cowboys defensive coordinator Dan Quinn as
Speaker 2: their new coach. Quinn replaces Ron Rivera, who was hired
Speaker 2: by new owner Josh Harris one day after the season ended.
Speaker 2: So Quinn, who was the highest paid DC in the
Speaker 2: league for the Cowboys. They had some really successful defenses
Speaker 2: while he was there, even though maybe they disappointed a
Speaker 2: little bit down the.
Speaker 1: Stretch this year.
Speaker 2: Of course, he served as the Falcons head coach in
Speaker 2: two thousand and fifteen to two thousand twenty.
Speaker 1: There was a twenty eight to three comeback in twenty
Speaker 1: sixteen after the twenty sixteen team.
Speaker 4: Was it?
Speaker 1: Which one was it?
Speaker 3: It was a large event, sporting event that featured the Patriots.
Speaker 2: I'd try to get you, didn't get you. I was
Speaker 2: trying to get the ten tho I'm too locked in. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're very locked in anyway. So he was the head
Speaker 2: coach of that team. Atlanta then let him go when
Speaker 2: things kind of fell apart in the years after that,
Speaker 2: and now he gets his second shot at the job.
Speaker 2: And it should be said, Greg that we're gonna talk
Speaker 2: about the new head coach of the Seahawks as well,
Speaker 2: because Quinn doesn't appear to be the commander's first choice here,
Speaker 2: but they do have a head coach.
Speaker 5: No he doesn't. Maybe it was gonna be Mike McDonald.
Speaker 5: Maybe it was gonna be Ben Johnson.
Speaker 1: It sounds like he was the third choice of the commanders.
Speaker 5: And Ben Johnson especially was the guy that the insiders
Speaker 5: kept connecting and everyone who seems to have good relationships
Speaker 5: with their new GM, Adam Peters, who was really well
Speaker 5: respected around the league, but man like he is getting
Speaker 5: pumped up as kind of the GM Bell of the ball,
Speaker 5: and they kept saying he's looking for an innovative offensive
Speaker 5: mine and you just got the feeling that Ben Johnson
Speaker 5: was his choice and they were maybe caught a little
Speaker 5: flat and they wind up with Dan Quinn, who I
Speaker 5: think is a good choice to run a team a
Speaker 5: second time. That like Raheem Morris, he's had some time,
Speaker 5: not as long as Raheem Morris, but to learn from
Speaker 5: what happened, and more than anything, strikes me as a
Speaker 5: guy who can be a little Mike Tomlin, like hopefully
Speaker 5: having a good idea of hiring the right people. He
Speaker 5: knows a lot of people within the league and having
Speaker 5: an overall idea instead of him offering you like crazy
Speaker 5: schematic advantages. I think he did a great job with
Speaker 5: Dallas and he's shown that he's improved I think as
Speaker 5: a defensive play caller and he brings that to the table.
Speaker 5: We'll see who he hires as his DC, but it's
Speaker 5: probably not one in Washington after Ron Rivera that gets
Speaker 5: you as excited for this new generation.
Speaker 4: And we'll see who he hires as a OC, which
Speaker 4: is big.
Speaker 3: Yeah, It's it's easy to forget that early with the
Speaker 3: Falcons before they went to the Big Game that Quinn
Speaker 3: was correctly touted to someone that quickly developed, like his
Speaker 3: defense and young defensive players. And on the flip side,
Speaker 3: you had Kyle Shanahan running the offense. Shanahan leaves and
Speaker 3: that the development of the defense stopped and then the
Speaker 3: Falcons just started to become unwatchable. But Quinn, I think
Speaker 3: is a consistent guy. He's like well respected. It's it's
Speaker 3: not that it's a disappointing higher but I'm with you
Speaker 3: that I think that the whole search committee they put
Speaker 3: together and Adam Peters coming in as a very powerful
Speaker 3: general manager, thought Ben Johnson, with the number two pick,
Speaker 3: the most cap room in the league as a quarterback,
Speaker 3: you know, developer would make the most sense and really
Speaker 3: galvanize a Washington fan base. It's it's been a long
Speaker 3: time and there were these reports that Ben Johnson was
Speaker 3: asking for too much money, and I we'd ever really
Speaker 3: heard Ben Johnson or his people responded at any level,
Speaker 3: but I think.
Speaker 4: They part of it.
Speaker 5: They did when that first report came out during the
Speaker 5: season from Josina Anderson that he wanted fifteen million dollars
Speaker 5: a year, and his agent did win on the record
Speaker 5: and say that's not true.
Speaker 4: That's just ridiculous. Yeah, I mean more in this in
Speaker 4: this cycle.
Speaker 1: You're right.
Speaker 4: Adam Schefter threw out there that like which is away
Speaker 4: one thing?
Speaker 3: One thing though, because because I think, like, if you're
Speaker 3: Ben Johnson and you realize, if you have one more
Speaker 3: good year at the Lions, you get your pick of
Speaker 3: seven or eight teams, and do you want to come
Speaker 3: in into a team where the general manager is essentially
Speaker 3: over you and the owner? I think I think it's like,
Speaker 3: this isn't a hand in hand situation. I just think
Speaker 3: Adam Peters is a very powerful general manager and figure
Speaker 3: in that organization, and like all right for Quinn, I
Speaker 3: think Ben Johnson decided not.
Speaker 1: To take it.
Speaker 2: I mean I agree and disagree at the same time,
Speaker 2: because Ben Johnson could have another really good year with Detroit.
Speaker 2: I don't think all of a sudden he's going to
Speaker 2: be this guy that can go watch around saying I
Speaker 2: want full control of everything.
Speaker 1: He's Ben Johnson.
Speaker 2: I mean, the resume is nice, but it's not He's
Speaker 2: not like an all time guy or Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 3: I just think something made him blanche at this situation,
Speaker 3: like something.
Speaker 1: And maybe it is the money now.
Speaker 2: Just also, and you know, it takes some audacity for
Speaker 2: Ben Johnson if that's true, he was asking for fifteen million,
Speaker 2: because like Jim Harbaugh reportedly is getting paid sixteen million
Speaker 2: per year by the Chargers. So and that's a proven
Speaker 2: guy with pelts on the wall, So I can understand
Speaker 2: why a team might, you know, take a step back
Speaker 2: if that was true.
Speaker 1: Now we'll see.
Speaker 2: And I know this is optimism season and every head
Speaker 2: coach hiring is viewed as a success, and every new
Speaker 2: GM is seen as a big time difference maker. But
Speaker 2: and I'm not going to dwell on it, but I
Speaker 2: just I wonder how we'll look back at this in
Speaker 2: a year or two.
Speaker 1: And we made this.
Speaker 2: Big deal about well, Bill Belichick wasn't even considered for
Speaker 2: this job from what we understand.
Speaker 5: Actually now they did sort of add some reporting from
Speaker 5: Diana Rossini that they talked.
Speaker 4: To Bill Belichick.
Speaker 5: So they talked about but they considered him that they
Speaker 5: and early on with him, Belichick and the commanders were
Speaker 5: there was a lot of.
Speaker 2: Yes, and it was deemed that the combined wisdom of
Speaker 2: Dan Quinn and Adam Peters, you know, that's the way
Speaker 2: to go, Okay, we'll see.
Speaker 1: Let's see how this all.
Speaker 2: Looks in a year or two, you know, ye find out,
Speaker 2: because now Bill's not getting a job because the other
Speaker 2: head coaching position with the Seattle Seahawks is also has
Speaker 2: been filled. It is Mike McDonald, the defensive coordinator of
Speaker 2: the Ravens, who obviously had a big year there with
Speaker 2: everyone else until they got to championship Sunday. So he
Speaker 2: is he is now the replacement for Pete Carroll. And
Speaker 2: it's a six year contract. These contracts are huge for
Speaker 2: these coaches.
Speaker 1: And also in general, it's just is that wild, Like
Speaker 1: six years.
Speaker 2: Hardback up five that makes a little more sense, Like
Speaker 2: that's a proven guy, whereas McDonald, we don't know what
Speaker 2: he's gonna be like in this position.
Speaker 1: And he is thirty six years old.
Speaker 2: They literally took Pete Carroll's age divided by two. So
Speaker 2: this is a this is a youth movement in addition
Speaker 2: to just changing the scenery and the decision making and the.
Speaker 1: Vibe of the organization right now.
Speaker 5: So the six years struck me too, Dan, that was
Speaker 5: one of the first things I thought about because I
Speaker 5: was like, well, six is weird. It's usually four or
Speaker 5: five for a new coach, and six just makes me think, well,
Speaker 5: Washington was probably in on this, and that's like, that's
Speaker 5: how it works. And I think they really loved the
Speaker 5: idea of McDonald. As our friend Mina Kimes called it
Speaker 5: on her podcast they did this week.
Speaker 4: You guys should check that out too. The Shanna handler,
Speaker 4: which I like that I want to steal it because
Speaker 4: like he handled Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 5: Certainly the Rams had some good numbers against him, but
Speaker 5: Houston and Bobby Slowick and all the different tree the
Speaker 5: Shanahan trees, the Miami like they did a good job
Speaker 5: and it's as modern a defense as you can possibly
Speaker 5: imagine in terms of the disguise and getting everyone to
Speaker 5: sort of understand holistically like what they're doing on each play.
Speaker 5: Where the back seven was really connected because if you
Speaker 5: look at the Ravens, they had a lot of injuries
Speaker 5: and I wouldn't say they were like the most talented
Speaker 5: defense in the league, and they really got it done
Speaker 5: for two straight years.
Speaker 3: I like, I can't think of of these coordinators that
Speaker 3: you know a couple of years he was in Michigan
Speaker 3: before he went to Baltimore. Wasn't there for that long,
Speaker 3: but did an incredible job with that defense. Like his
Speaker 3: name in the last couple of weeks just bubbled up
Speaker 3: and you start to hear like all these like RG three,
Speaker 3: who was with the Ravens for a spell, like talked
Speaker 3: about Mike McDaniel just coming in, Mike McDonald coming in
Speaker 3: and just like talking to players in general and just
Speaker 3: being this incredible connector.
Speaker 1: So I think it's like the person.
Speaker 3: He kind of fits Seattle and it's a nice transition
Speaker 3: from Pete Carroll. But it's a new message as well,
Speaker 3: and he's got it. He's got it. Like their defense,
Speaker 3: you keep thinking they have a great defense. They were
Speaker 3: not last year and they but they still have a
Speaker 3: lot of young players from to work with and I
Speaker 3: think someone like Jamal Adams checkulator, but like a lot
Speaker 3: of these other pieces like they could they could be
Speaker 3: a quick riser from where they were at the end
Speaker 3: of last season.
Speaker 5: Quillan Devin wear thisspoon, Quandary Diggs like, that's that's a
Speaker 5: nice start to your secondary.
Speaker 4: I'm with you.
Speaker 5: They probably get rid of Adams pat there's a lot
Speaker 5: of free agents on the Ravens and they're losing coaches
Speaker 5: all over the place here, but they could also lose
Speaker 5: players like Mattabique and Queen and Clowney. We'll see. They
Speaker 5: have a lot to decide there. But I'm excited. I'm
Speaker 5: excited about it a lot. Mike McDonald.
Speaker 3: I do the one figure in Seattle obviously that I
Speaker 3: wonder about a little bit when you have Pete Carroll
Speaker 3: exit stage left and anyone comes in and including the
Speaker 3: new offensive coordinator and all that a new system, like,
Speaker 3: is Gino Smith going to face competition or find himself
Speaker 3: somewhere else or is he going to have the organizational
Speaker 3: belief that he did before? Because I feel like that
Speaker 3: was the beating heart of that was Pete Carroll.
Speaker 2: Wasn't part of this decision to move on from Pete Carroll,
Speaker 2: who's an accomplished guy who's been there forever, to you know,
Speaker 2: change the status quo the organization. Yeah, and I think
Speaker 2: Gino has been very good for them on balance. But
Speaker 2: is he the guy that gets you over the hump
Speaker 2: or do they want to go I would not be
Speaker 2: surprised to put it that way, if they aggressively seek
Speaker 2: out another option beyond what they have in house with
Speaker 2: Drew Locke.
Speaker 5: I think it'd be a I think it's more likely
Speaker 5: to be a rookie, but it wouldn't be shocking. He
Speaker 5: has some guaranteed money coming on February sixteenth, so it's
Speaker 5: early in the off season Gino Smith does, and I
Speaker 5: fully expect him to get that because his salary is manageable,
Speaker 5: but I think it's a negative for him that. Look,
Speaker 5: Shane Waldron's already gone. I do wonder if they know,
Speaker 5: if they knew McDonald was going to be the head coach,
Speaker 5: whether they would have tried to retain Waldron, who I
Speaker 5: think did a good job. And so there's I have
Speaker 5: no clue what kind of offense that they're gonna be
Speaker 5: running there. Gino's pretty like offense agnostic, just because he's
Speaker 5: like a traditional pocket quarterback where he could maybe working anything,
Speaker 5: but McDonald, Like, I just love the way that, like
Speaker 5: Marlon Humphrey talked about how like everyone in that defense
Speaker 5: sort of you hear linebackers say like, oh, he knew
Speaker 5: what everyone else's role was supposed to be, But in
Speaker 5: this defense, everyone knew what everyone's role was supposed to be.
Speaker 5: And it's just like he's the youngest coach in the league.
Speaker 5: Jared Mayo only uh lasted for.
Speaker 3: This is one of these age things that's crazy. It's
Speaker 3: like they're both thirty six, but like you go to
Speaker 3: Sean McVay is still only thirty seven years old.
Speaker 4: It's crazy.
Speaker 1: Another let's spin the carousel again. M h.
Speaker 4: We got a lot.
Speaker 2: By the way, they commanders were trying to call up
Speaker 2: McDonald as he was getting on the plane to go to.
Speaker 1: Seattle, like hey, hey, hey, gives one more chance. He's like,
Speaker 1: that's right, I got.
Speaker 5: He just like copied that text that they sent him
Speaker 5: to his agent, and then the agent copied that text
Speaker 5: to the top Seahawks and the like.
Speaker 4: All right, six years.
Speaker 3: I also heard that they were like essentially en route
Speaker 3: to Ben Johnson when he announced that he didn't want
Speaker 3: to take a job.
Speaker 4: Yes they did. They didn't. They interviewed Terry Aaron Glenn
Speaker 4: there anyways, but they were. They were in the plane
Speaker 4: and stuff.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: The Titans hire another Ravens assistant, Dennard Wilson, as their
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator. The Packers hired Buston College coach Jeff Halfley.
Speaker 2: He was yes, Jeff Haffley. He was BC's coach for
Speaker 2: four years. As defensive coordinator, the Ravens or you hitting me?
Speaker 2: They named linebacker inside linebackers coach Zach or their DC.
Speaker 2: That's a good position. That's similar to uh, you know
Speaker 2: what's been going on in San Francisco in recent years.
Speaker 2: Although I don't think Steve Wilkes is going have the
Speaker 2: same success, but that that could get you a job.
Speaker 1: Just got McDonald's job.
Speaker 2: So Or takes over that defense and the Panthers do
Speaker 2: decide or Canalas decides a Gio of Vero ever will
Speaker 2: remain their defensive coordinator.
Speaker 3: One thing, like because the Jeff Hafley thing the Green
Speaker 3: Bay that was such a huge hire after what's been
Speaker 3: going on like the past couple of years, Like I
Speaker 3: was like, why did why did they don't? He doesn't
Speaker 3: really know Lafleora very well, but he had He worked
Speaker 3: under Mike Petton in Cleveland. He worked under Shanahan as well,
Speaker 3: so there is some link with the floor.
Speaker 1: Where's Mike Petnat by the way.
Speaker 3: He may be back in that cabin. He built that
Speaker 3: cabin on the lake in Ohio.
Speaker 5: He went like right next to Brown's training camp though no, no,
Speaker 5: that's where he lived.
Speaker 2: Thinking of the collision Low Crossers where pet Nat these
Speaker 2: days go ahead.
Speaker 3: More well, no, but like like Halflee, there was reporting
Speaker 3: that Halflee decided to leave a head coaching job at
Speaker 3: BC because of the nonsensical like nature of like the
Speaker 3: transfer portal and the nil So he was just like,
Speaker 3: I don't want to do this scene.
Speaker 1: We're I go like coach real football.
Speaker 3: So I mean, I think it's an interesting, strange higher
Speaker 3: because unless you're deep in BC territories. He went twenty
Speaker 3: two and twenty six at PC, I don't know, right, It's.
Speaker 5: Like, I think being a college coach now is so tricky,
Speaker 5: and it's just it's the situation college football has given
Speaker 5: to themselves that essentially now coaches and players like, you
Speaker 5: don't blame Halflee, you don't blame the players.
Speaker 4: You kind of blame that system.
Speaker 5: But he came into Ohio State and like the year
Speaker 5: he had there was like incredible. But I think the Packers,
Speaker 5: by all accounts and the Rams might have had a
Speaker 5: Gio Evro as their number one choice for defensive coordinator
Speaker 5: and the Panthers had rights to his contract and just
Speaker 5: did not let him leave and wanted to see who
Speaker 5: they ended up hiring as a head coach, did not
Speaker 5: let him leave who knows. Maybe you work out a
Speaker 5: thing and you use a little David Tepper money there.
Speaker 4: But I do like I do like Tepper by the
Speaker 4: way at Senior Bowl.
Speaker 5: Is that wherever he's I think they were at a
Speaker 5: press conference today for their new head coach Canals.
Speaker 2: Pepper Be asked a question about something pertaining to the Panthers,
Speaker 2: and temper Be saying He's like, I'm receding to the background.
Speaker 1: You're not going to hear from me. So Tepper be
Speaker 1: changing his profile or be attempting. Not great for temper
Speaker 1: Be talking like, you know what we thought would be, you.
Speaker 2: Would think that. But I have a feeling he's going
Speaker 2: to struggle. He'll be back, keep the stance. But right
Speaker 2: now Tepper Be laying low.
Speaker 5: Shout out to Zach Orr by the way, because first
Speaker 5: of all, we can use the ore you kidding me?
Speaker 5: Drop more and we'll talk with the con He's thirty
Speaker 5: one years old. I was like, wasn't he just in
Speaker 5: the NFL? He is thirty one years old, and I
Speaker 5: got to think they chose him over Denard Wilson, who
Speaker 5: got a lot of looks elsewhere and got that job
Speaker 5: in inten See, where he's going to run that defense.
Speaker 2: He's everybody else see where this is going, by the way,
Speaker 2: what because now the what's in vogue is you must
Speaker 2: hire a young hotshot, end up with some high school
Speaker 2: analytics genius, like some seventeen year old kid running a team.
Speaker 3: Like twenty five percent of the people that we've talked
Speaker 3: about during this hiring cycle like came from analytics, and
Speaker 3: half of them work for PFF, like Bobby Slowick, and
Speaker 3: there's others that just like that's not unusual, and it's
Speaker 3: like the Sean mcvaye of the world that are hiring
Speaker 3: these guys.
Speaker 2: But I mean, let's it's it's going to get to
Speaker 2: the point where somebody before they even have their learners permit.
Speaker 1: Is going to be running a team they just learned. Like, look, god,
Speaker 1: we've done.
Speaker 4: We're ahead of the curve. Your curve.
Speaker 1: I laugh at your curve, Look at my curve.
Speaker 3: I love boy crafting like rise over run you know,
Speaker 3: diagrams in their math notebook and suddenly.
Speaker 5: Run fifty three. So that should make you feel better.
Speaker 5: That's a coach that's older than all of us.
Speaker 1: It's a great hire.
Speaker 2: So I guess maybe, I uh, I know, I'm supposed
Speaker 2: to say every higher is amazing.
Speaker 1: I don't love it. Not, No, everybody's like this is
Speaker 1: such a great high. This is one of the great
Speaker 1: hot shots.
Speaker 2: We talk about this how the sausage gets maids with
Speaker 2: the insider insiders, we have to understand, like everybody is
Speaker 2: pumping up these guys is like, yes, the most gifted
Speaker 2: future roster builder or a coach who truly deserves a
Speaker 2: second edg shot.
Speaker 1: Let's see where all these guys well.
Speaker 3: Someone like David Canal's like, we don't we have no idea.
Speaker 5: On a person right, on a personal I think you
Speaker 5: have hit on something that's true. Like for me personally,
Speaker 5: I found as wrong as we are every year, like
Speaker 5: incredibly wrong about our preseason predictions of like who's gonna
Speaker 5: win and stuff, as wrong as I am of like
Speaker 5: which free agents are going to work out. Like sometimes
Speaker 5: I'm right, sometimes I'm wrong, but I'm very often wrong.
Speaker 5: I feel like there's nothing I'm more wrong about than
Speaker 5: knowing which coach is going to be good or not.
Speaker 5: So it's just like at this point, it's just like, Okay,
Speaker 5: this makes sense, and I have a hard time like
Speaker 5: being like that's not gonna work because it's just you
Speaker 5: just have no clue.
Speaker 2: Mike McDaniel friends, Mike McDonald that's gonna be annoying.
Speaker 1: By the way, is.
Speaker 2: This year's version of Once upon a Time Brandon Staley
Speaker 2: Like remember like the the flowers being thrown at his
Speaker 2: feet when he was hired, the like this.
Speaker 1: You don't know, but right now everything looks good.
Speaker 3: It's like it's like the one day where they haven't
Speaker 3: made a mistake yet, and so okay, it's a one day.
Speaker 3: There'suld be like a one day window and then you
Speaker 3: can start to get there.
Speaker 5: The problem with Quinn is he's the most ron rivera ish, That's.
Speaker 1: What's really.
Speaker 2: And I feel, yeah, I feel for Commanders fans because
Speaker 2: obviously all the things they've gone through with the ownership,
Speaker 2: but it seems like there's still it's taken time to
Speaker 2: get out of the mud here and maybe Quinn listen,
Speaker 2: Quinn not to double back. But Quinn nearly one a
Speaker 2: big one, right. He had Kyle with him. He like,
Speaker 2: we said, we have to. He needs somebody up and coming.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: One thing though, like if you go back one of
Speaker 3: the most inquack like the what one hiring that had
Speaker 3: people boll flustered and annoyed and thought it was completely failed.
Speaker 3: When they hired him as a second head coach. Was
Speaker 3: Bill Belichick to the Patriots.
Speaker 1: His Q rating was low.
Speaker 3: The whole thing had happened with the Jets, like there
Speaker 3: were a lot of people thinking they gave up too
Speaker 3: much for him. It was like that Bill Belichick was
Speaker 3: not highly regarded and he wasn't thought of as like
Speaker 3: a guy that was easy to get along with.
Speaker 5: And it was like there was a lot of grublin
Speaker 5: going into the twenty two thousand and one season two
Speaker 5: after one year.
Speaker 3: Right, so he just you never know, Like I mean, Quinn,
Speaker 3: it's not a sexy pick, but he could be more
Speaker 3: reliably successful two years from now than anyone and these
Speaker 3: other guys who were unknowns.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember when they came out that Belichick was
Speaker 2: going to replace Parcels. I think a lot of Jets
Speaker 2: fans at the time were like, Okay, that sounds pretty good.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't like, oh my god, we're getting Belichick.
Speaker 2: And then maybe it was when all the warring began
Speaker 2: with the Patriots about where how things would end up,
Speaker 2: there was a feeling.
Speaker 1: Like, oh, just let him go.
Speaker 2: It's not like you know, turned out he was somebody
Speaker 2: would want and now he can't get a job. Well,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe.
Speaker 1: Next year a quarter cent later.
Speaker 5: But yes, I did put it out there into the
Speaker 5: world that we'd welcome him. You know, I know he's
Speaker 5: going to do some media and little fourth cheer action
Speaker 5: maybe on Wednesdays something like that Belichick's corner.
Speaker 2: Wait, replace Colleen, not Wednesday? Whoa you really heat seated
Speaker 2: seek door?
Speaker 4: That was going to be though Thursday. How about on
Speaker 4: the previous show.
Speaker 1: Maybe she won't listen to this one though, He'll be.
Speaker 4: Okay, just throwing out a rand.
Speaker 3: Greg was very hot on this when he thought you
Speaker 3: and I were no longer part of.
Speaker 5: The show, right, it was actually me Colleen an Belichick
Speaker 5: speaking of Belichick.
Speaker 2: Yea, I do not I do not envy Zaddie because
Speaker 2: Jerry Jones keeps talking, talking and talking and talking. If
Speaker 2: you ask Jerry Jones about anything involving head coach and
Speaker 2: job security, he will not outright back his guy. Really,
Speaker 2: he's always going to leave the door open. We have
Speaker 2: a quote here. You see this quote. Someone asked about
Speaker 2: what he could work with Bill Belichick, and here's what
Speaker 2: Jarah Jones said the Yahoo Sports. I know him personally
Speaker 2: and I like him. There's no doubt in my mind
Speaker 2: we could work together.
Speaker 4: None like.
Speaker 1: I don't know why Jarah thinks he needs to say that. No,
Speaker 1: I don't. I have no idea.
Speaker 2: Now his his star defensive player, Michah Parsons, came out
Speaker 2: and got after the team, saying they were the old
Speaker 2: we were outplayed out scheme. Did he say out coach?
Speaker 2: That's usually what said too. So he was filled with
Speaker 2: frustration about that situation. And then also this week, Jarah
Speaker 2: was pontificating about listen, we haven't put it. I think
Speaker 2: this is what I think. This is the metaphor. We
Speaker 2: haven't put it through the hoop yet. But we're right
Speaker 2: at the rim, right there, Jarah, right there.
Speaker 7: I thought we made a pretty good moved four years
Speaker 7: ago my Karthy, and he's had some great in season success.
Speaker 7: Now he's come up short three times three times and
Speaker 7: advanced us in the playoff. Okay, but I like the
Speaker 7: fact that he's hanging around the rim, and I like
Speaker 7: what the team has done to hang around the rim.
Speaker 7: So I think of what the answer that I would
Speaker 7: have is that I'm aware that we're hanging around the rim.
Speaker 7: We're not getting the ball in, but we let's don't
Speaker 7: discount hanging around the rim and where we are right
Speaker 7: now with the players we've got. And I'm thinking about
Speaker 7: it from the.
Speaker 2: Whole book, which is it's apt the metaphor because Mike
Speaker 2: McCarthy he can dunk.
Speaker 1: By the way McCarthy.
Speaker 2: I know people are going to say, oh no, he's
Speaker 2: a bigger guy, know that guy. He can cross you over,
Speaker 2: he can barrel down a lane, and he could throw
Speaker 2: down a thunderbomb.
Speaker 3: On His football is completely different than basketball. Dan, When
Speaker 3: have you ever seen him do that athletically?
Speaker 1: What you just mentioned my dreams. But I imagine he can.
Speaker 3: That's all I love Jerry Jones. I'm starting to like
Speaker 3: him more and more because that was an utterly absurd soliloquy.
Speaker 3: And you've got a coach who's lucky wasn't fired. You've
Speaker 3: lost your defensive coordinator. Your quarterback has a fifty nine
Speaker 3: million dollar cap hit, which means like, do you have
Speaker 3: to extend him to fix that or do you let
Speaker 3: twenty five percent of your cap be eating up by
Speaker 3: and lose his playoff game?
Speaker 4: Push the money? Yeah, I think they will extend him.
Speaker 5: I Uh, he loves ball though, you gotta admit, like
Speaker 5: at this point in his life. He's there in Mobile.
Speaker 5: You could see he's wearing one of the lanyards. He
Speaker 5: shows up.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm sure it's a press agent gets it
Speaker 4: for him, but he puts the lanyard on. It's like
Speaker 4: the draft starts in Mobile.
Speaker 5: He's wearing the lake like he's hanging out in Mobile
Speaker 5: for five days right after the season, Like he never
Speaker 5: gets he'll be in Indianapolis. He's on the cycle, but
Speaker 5: he knows what he's doing there with Belichick. He's sending
Speaker 5: a little message to his guy, Hey, keep us in
Speaker 5: your thoughts. Maybe he's even aware that there's been some
Speaker 5: rumors there down there at the Senior Boy, I bet
Speaker 5: he is.
Speaker 4: Greg Bodard from Boston Sports Journal put this out there
Speaker 4: that that there.
Speaker 5: Were some Eagles Belichick connections, that that Howie and Belichick
Speaker 5: have a good relationship, and that that maybe it was
Speaker 5: just a rumor mill, but that if things didn't work
Speaker 5: out with Sirianni, if like that meeting they had with
Speaker 5: Sirianni didn't.
Speaker 4: Work out, that Belichick was maybe.
Speaker 5: On online one and that we got Bill kind of
Speaker 5: hovering over this NFC East as we enter twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Four, he could end up back at the Giants. By
Speaker 1: the way, that is that I would wish.
Speaker 5: The New York Post has been writing about that too,
Speaker 5: So it's like every everyone wants.
Speaker 2: Them all right, that's what's happening in the news. And
Speaker 2: in case you just joined us, the news went down.
Speaker 2: We are the champions of the American Sports Podcast Awards.
Speaker 1: Is that what it is?
Speaker 5: It's the Sports Podcast Awards. The category was the best
Speaker 5: American Football Podcast.
Speaker 1: That's the lead news item today. But we have done
Speaker 1: what we have achieved.
Speaker 2: I don't want to say nobody said we can do it.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people doubted us.
Speaker 2: I don't want to say nobody believed in us, but
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say it. I remember when we started this podcast, well,
Speaker 2: we had a boss that said, you guys can't even
Speaker 2: all be in the studio at the same time. We
Speaker 2: need one person in the newsroom for optics. And I remember,
Speaker 2: after a long road to get full time employment with
Speaker 2: this company, another boss no longer with the company said
Speaker 2: to me, I know, you think you're getting this job
Speaker 2: for that podcast, but it's not about the podcast.
Speaker 1: You know what I said to myself, you it's about
Speaker 1: the podcast.
Speaker 2: So this is an award that celebrates everything we've done.
Speaker 1: And we went out and had a great dinner last night.
Speaker 2: The three of us did a State of the Union conversation,
Speaker 2: had a few drinks.
Speaker 3: We didn't even know this was going to occur when
Speaker 3: we had.
Speaker 4: The night this was this was not the time.
Speaker 1: It wasn't. It wasn't. But it shows our humility.
Speaker 2: Though after eleven years, the humility on display, I think
Speaker 2: is impossible to miss.
Speaker 3: I also want to just say to the that there's
Speaker 3: a technical UH department gentlemen who about seven or eight
Speaker 3: years ago UH watched many of our shows from Afar
Speaker 3: and confidently labeled us as podcast posos. We're now podcastposos
Speaker 3: who have won a massive award an international war defect.
Speaker 4: I think he liked the podcast, said the I don't.
Speaker 3: I've never spoken to him about any other aspect of
Speaker 3: the show, but that's how we were labeled.
Speaker 1: Watch us fly, those can fly to.
Speaker 4: You're not exactly dreading is just such a good time
Speaker 4: to check the sink on these podcast posals.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he sounds like he likes the show.
Speaker 5: No, I've talked to him many times as we work together,
Speaker 5: and you know, he always makes a joke about it,
Speaker 5: but you know who doesn't make jokes that you're not
Speaker 5: you're not exaggerating about that.
Speaker 4: That first boss.
Speaker 5: There is no exaggeration that he thought this was a
Speaker 5: completely useless waste of time, that he acted a visionary.
Speaker 5: That man actively discouraged throughout the process and tried to
Speaker 5: break up on some level and get me out of
Speaker 5: it too, like what are you doing?
Speaker 2: You should be The amount of times management, that's right
Speaker 2: when he was.
Speaker 4: A million times he met really tried to end it.
Speaker 2: The amount of times management and current management is excellent,
Speaker 2: and and we're very happy with all the shadowy figures
Speaker 2: actively working with the show. But the the number of
Speaker 2: times management tried to kill the show before it even
Speaker 2: began or just when it was gaining momentum. Give me
Speaker 2: my music again, please, if you're just joining us, If
Speaker 2: you're just joining us, we are the winners of the
Speaker 2: American Football Best American Football Podcast.
Speaker 1: They try to kill us.
Speaker 2: They tried to say you're not good enough, and we said, no, bro,
Speaker 2: you're not good enough.
Speaker 5: Okay, and now here we are the winners of the
Speaker 5: Most Humble podcast twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3: I think we're selfless, we're charitable.
Speaker 2: The humility is so bright and shining it's blinding everyone
Speaker 2: around us.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a break. Definitely, we'll be right back.
Speaker 1: Hit the mailbag.
Speaker 2: In case you're just joining us.
Speaker 1: We are the winners. The others have ast and they
Speaker 1: must live with that reality.
Speaker 2: Thank you to Henry Hodgson, by the way over in
Speaker 2: the UK, our friend.
Speaker 3: Do you know that he galvanized some some voters in
Speaker 3: the auction.
Speaker 4: We definitely reminded us to mention it on the show,
Speaker 4: which which which helped.
Speaker 1: Although I think he played a hand in us being nominated.
Speaker 1: Oh that's I.
Speaker 4: Understand, that's true. We were not nominated the first three
Speaker 4: or two or three years.
Speaker 1: What a success story.
Speaker 4: We went right into the win. The problem is the talk,
Speaker 4: as Patrick.
Speaker 5: Riley would say, the disease of more. I've already gotten
Speaker 5: a text from one of our contributors, David Ely, who
Speaker 5: says congrats and then follows that up with as a
Speaker 5: recurring guest, do I get hardware?
Speaker 4: So already people are.
Speaker 1: A shout out on the show. I think is more
Speaker 1: than ant.
Speaker 3: We spoke about him, you know at length the other day,
Speaker 3: probably not in the way that he would like to
Speaker 3: find him a wife. That's our next that's our next mission,
Speaker 3: that offseason. That might take more than one off season.
Speaker 1: Listen, he's a.
Speaker 2: Great guy though he's a catcher. Yes, all right, it
Speaker 2: is that. Don't say you know what? And so far, Eric,
Speaker 2: how much money has been raised?
Speaker 4: Zero? We haven't even closed. This is too easy. There's
Speaker 4: like one reference to like San Francisco City.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, it.
Speaker 6: Was it about the no team. It was like, what
Speaker 6: was I think it was Mark? He said, what's happening
Speaker 6: in San Francis?
Speaker 1: You know what? Like like, let's let's wait a minute.
Speaker 6: But that's I'm gonna check the table hit actually test
Speaker 6: to make sure this buzzer works in case I'm having to.
Speaker 3: Contribute to a slush typically illegal, but I know what.
Speaker 4: That's this?
Speaker 2: Do you want to throw the red flag because you
Speaker 2: can to challenge whether or not you owe the ten I.
Speaker 4: Mean I need.
Speaker 1: I want to.
Speaker 3: I believe if everyone behind the glass says that I
Speaker 3: did that, then I'll be happily contribute to the slush front.
Speaker 1: Are challenging it, though I would like to.
Speaker 3: I would like confirmation after the show, Yeah, in a
Speaker 3: gray area. They'll challenge that, and we'll leave it in
Speaker 3: gray area and I will Well, I.
Speaker 1: Know you said San Francisco, like you don't need to
Speaker 1: challenge it. Oh, I had a new idea.
Speaker 6: I'm just saying, like the reference I was a little
Speaker 6: vague on like whether or not because you didn't say
Speaker 6: forty nine ers, I.
Speaker 1: Got ropido. Buzz yourself and take out your dollars.
Speaker 2: I actually I'm just thinking of it now. Can you
Speaker 2: bring this big funk back there?
Speaker 1: He's not no big fun shoot.
Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna save it for next time because
Speaker 2: I the slush fund actually had a better idea for
Speaker 2: what it's going to go toward, and it's it involves funk. Okay,
Speaker 2: but we'll have to sit on that one. Just let
Speaker 2: him know you, Okay, maybe it's good. It's gonna be
Speaker 2: something I think he will really appreciate, and maybe we
Speaker 2: can get the listeners involved.
Speaker 3: I can't wait to Greg and I think I know,
Speaker 3: I think I know, but I would be very surprised
Speaker 3: if pay it.
Speaker 2: But don't, Yeah, don't say anything. I have an idea,
Speaker 2: not a fanny pack. I want to write. I want
Speaker 2: to right or wrong around funk, and I want to
Speaker 2: use this show's platform, can't get my music. I think
Speaker 2: our show, what we strive to do now that we've
Speaker 2: achieved what we have.
Speaker 1: Is to help others, as I did to cleansing. How so,
Speaker 1: I'm not.
Speaker 4: Sure we keep saying underprivileged youth.
Speaker 5: And it was a business leadership conference, so you don't
Speaker 5: even know who you were healthy.
Speaker 1: Uh, it's so many different things. I'm helping so many people.
Speaker 2: My elderly neighbor, Sharon, she has a leak in her roof,
Speaker 2: and I helped clean her car the other day.
Speaker 1: Do you hear me talking about that? Yes, because you
Speaker 1: just prompted me. You're challenging my bonafides. Wait a minute,
Speaker 1: as a good human.
Speaker 3: Yes, a leak in her roof, and then you watched
Speaker 3: her car cut like her roof, car roof in her car.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's one thing was happening, and you helped. Sharon.
Speaker 1: We got to you got a garage here. Let me
Speaker 1: help you empty the garage and get the car.
Speaker 2: Yeah, into the garage, so this doesn't happen again.
Speaker 1: She says, Oh, no, it's fine.
Speaker 2: She After the car is cleaned, she covers it with
Speaker 2: a plastic sheet in the driveway and then we get
Speaker 2: destroyed Los Angeles morning by mon sooner and I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, ah, share it.
Speaker 2: I'm upset about that. It's part of my Saturday are anyway? Greg,
Speaker 2: That's an example, a strong one. I want us to
Speaker 2: uplift now that we've become with I.
Speaker 5: Like it, and I think I know what it is.
Speaker 5: You can confirm to me later. But let's let's do
Speaker 5: this mailbag. All right, let's do the mail What did
Speaker 5: you slacked you? It's just we are we are on
Speaker 5: air right now.
Speaker 1: Yes, you're actually see It's a great idea, is it?
Speaker 4: It's pretty good?
Speaker 1: All right, let's open up the mailbag. First question, don't
Speaker 1: say you know what? All right?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 2: Grass Operating fours? Is Dan ready for Year two of
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers?
Speaker 4: I am?
Speaker 2: I am like when you watch a horror movie and
Speaker 2: if it's well done in the first actor, getting to
Speaker 2: know the protagonists that are many times doomed in some
Speaker 2: way or another, and it's a well written type horror
Speaker 2: film where you start to really feel and connect with
Speaker 2: those characters like insert jets fans. I feel terrible about
Speaker 2: Year or two of Aaron Rodgers and everything around it,
Speaker 2: and that athletic deep dive by Zach Rosenblatt, and I
Speaker 2: think Diana Rassini. Yeah, Bob as well, Like it was
Speaker 2: interesting hearing the paranoia that'scripped poor Bob Sala and hearing
Speaker 2: how Zach Wilson his feelings on Aaron Rodgers have changed
Speaker 2: now because Rogers really didn't even connect with him after
Speaker 2: the injury. None of this is surprising necessarily, Oh wow,
Speaker 2: it was all phony, Yeah, exactly, and surprise surprise Hackett
Speaker 2: wasn't according to someone and even putting in the work
Speaker 2: in terms of scheming, and all those people are coming
Speaker 2: back except for Wilson. So I am I really to
Speaker 2: expect this now to be all right because the forty
Speaker 2: year old quarterback is back from his Achilles tear. No,
Speaker 2: I feel this everybody, and I get it. I'm I'm
Speaker 2: jealous because I know it's good sport to laugh at
Speaker 2: the misfortunes of the Jets. They're funny. Get out your popcorn.
Speaker 2: It's going to be a great year in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: That's where I'm at right now.
Speaker 3: It's it's tough when you know, I feel for Jets
Speaker 3: fans for you, but like there's it's were months and
Speaker 3: months away from like the business of the season and
Speaker 3: the Jets, you know, becoming better in certain ways, like
Speaker 3: they're already exhausting. That's not a good that's it's not
Speaker 3: like it's I don't want to blame the players working
Speaker 3: hard on on that team and the coaches apparently some
Speaker 3: of them are, but like they're already an exhausting topic,
Speaker 3: not only the Cowboys.
Speaker 5: To me, right, it's less about exhausting and if anything,
Speaker 5: the fact I think everyone's gonna be sowed down on
Speaker 5: the Jets.
Speaker 4: Maybe that's maybe that's the one time.
Speaker 5: We don't have to worry about the hype machine, right
Speaker 5: they could actually maybe that's good. But Rogers, it's just
Speaker 5: funny how much he pulled the wool over everyone's eyes.
Speaker 5: I think during that hard knocks and stuff and like
Speaker 5: that Wilson's story and we've just seen so many of them,
Speaker 5: I think just makes it very easy for me to
Speaker 5: root against that guy.
Speaker 4: That's all.
Speaker 5: And like I heard Larry David on the Bill Simmons podcast,
Speaker 5: he refused to even talk about the Jets and Rogers
Speaker 5: because he just didn't want to say anything negative about Rodgers.
Speaker 4: And that's all. He would have to say about Rogers.
Speaker 5: He just like didn't doesn't like the experience, you could tell,
Speaker 5: but he just like doesn't want it to be aggregated
Speaker 5: or even mention it because he's a Jets fan, but
Speaker 5: he just doesn't. He can't even be honest about it
Speaker 5: because it's just like I can't. I can't deal with it.
Speaker 2: Because he then goes on Lacavie and then gets asked
Speaker 2: about it and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: It's it's not good.
Speaker 2: It's not good, and it's quite frankly super depressing because
Speaker 2: after this happens, if it goes the way feels like
Speaker 2: it's going, then they're starting over again, all right? Next
Speaker 2: JM nineteen eighty two. If you could go back in
Speaker 2: time and cover Slash be a beat writer for any
Speaker 2: NFL team you do not support for one season?
Speaker 1: Which team season? Would it be? All right? I like
Speaker 1: this question.
Speaker 3: I came up with my own like list, and it
Speaker 3: was kind of like it's obvious ones because it's when
Speaker 3: I became a football fan. But we grew up on
Speaker 3: the East Coast and my earliest some of my earliest
Speaker 3: memories are watching Loe's old like Bill Parcells Giants teams
Speaker 3: with my dad, and you know, in eighty five they
Speaker 3: you could see the team forming, and the Bears went
Speaker 3: and won the Super Bowl that year, and the Giants
Speaker 3: got taken out in the playoffs. But the eighty six
Speaker 3: Giants is the team that I pick because not unlike
Speaker 3: when the Steelers became a powerhouse after decades of darkness,
Speaker 3: and not unlike when any team suddenly like the Lions,
Speaker 3: finds light, that Giants team was one of the most celebrated.
Speaker 3: And know it's the same year the Mets won the
Speaker 3: World Series, so like New York, the New York tabloids
Speaker 3: were going crazy. I would love to have been there
Speaker 3: to cover that from wire to wire because there was
Speaker 3: you got lt in there, you got Bill Parcells. Bill
Speaker 3: Parcells and Phil Simms didn't get along half the time.
Speaker 3: You had Phil McConkie. There were a lot of strange
Speaker 3: players that created this Super Bowl winning team that were
Speaker 3: trailing at halftime to the Broncos, then exploded and Phil
Speaker 3: Simms had the game of his life in sun splashed California.
Speaker 3: It was absolutely like the crowning achievement of a team
Speaker 3: that you know, they went and won in ninety but
Speaker 3: that was a bit of a different team, like it
Speaker 3: turned Bill Parcells who was carried off the field. That
Speaker 3: was like your first gatorade dunk and everything too. So
Speaker 3: I think that was a very special time for the NFL,
Speaker 3: but for New York and the team, it was like
Speaker 3: back then there was no you only could watch one
Speaker 3: team Jets and Giants, basically those two teams.
Speaker 1: That was it on my television.
Speaker 4: The first one that.
Speaker 5: Came to mind for me was the Buddy Air Buddy
Speaker 5: Ryan era Eagles.
Speaker 4: I don't know why. I was always in fascinated.
Speaker 1: I was thinking of the Buddy Bear.
Speaker 4: That would be fun too. Uh.
Speaker 5: There's a great book, maybe maybe the best like season
Speaker 5: in the life book I've ever read. It was by
Speaker 5: Mark Bowden, who who also ended up writing you know,
Speaker 5: books that turned into major movies. But it was called
Speaker 5: Bringing the Heat, and it was about it was about
Speaker 5: the Eagles, and uh, that team with Randall Cunningham and
Speaker 5: Buddy Ryan. Wade Phillips was in the mix at some point,
Speaker 5: like in Reggie White and Jerome Brown who was this
Speaker 5: crazy character, and Clyde Simmons and the drama with Ryan
Speaker 5: and his coaching staffs and the way the way they
Speaker 5: interacted with the media back then, and it just was like, oh,
Speaker 5: just feels like the most wild East Coast time possible
Speaker 5: and extremely exciting team that also was full of drama
Speaker 5: and personality from like start to finish, and they were
Speaker 5: like an open book. It seemed like a very fun
Speaker 5: team to cover in an insanely competitive like media corps.
Speaker 4: Just that that to me, it would be a fun er.
Speaker 2: To Buddy or ryans a great one because you could
Speaker 2: like point to multiple teams you could talk that would
Speaker 2: be a fun team. The one where he punched Kevin Gilbride,
Speaker 2: that Oilers team West, Yes, the the eighty five Bears.
Speaker 2: Of course, he gets carried off the field after that game.
Speaker 2: And guess you know, we we showed Joe. He said
Speaker 2: at the top of the world.
Speaker 1: What was what was the question? King of the Hill,
Speaker 1: King of the Hill, King of the Hill. Guess who
Speaker 1: the d C of that Jets team was? Buddy Ryan? Wow,
Speaker 1: So he had quite a football life. And then Rex
Speaker 1: and Rob followed.
Speaker 2: Of course, I would say, give me the mid nineties Cowboys.
Speaker 1: That would be a lot of a.
Speaker 2: Young Jerah, you know, King of the Hill, Jarrah, Jimmy Johnson,
Speaker 2: not the Switzer team, the Jimmy Johnson, team Aikman, Irvin
Speaker 2: Emmett set against the backdrop of the best well done
Speaker 2: set against the back but the best rivalry of the nineties,
Speaker 2: which was Cowboys Niners, which was the only one that
Speaker 2: really to me approaches that would be Cults Patriots in
Speaker 2: the oughts. But I would say that when I think
Speaker 2: about those NFC title games in the early nineties, they were.
Speaker 1: The the big game.
Speaker 2: Like it was just it was whoever won that game
Speaker 2: was going to hoist the Lombardi, So.
Speaker 1: That would be my pick.
Speaker 3: They also had like Cowboys brettvav Packers too. There was
Speaker 3: a lot going on in the NFC. But I think
Speaker 3: the greatest and weirdest and most bizarre ending to a
Speaker 3: lot of that was that Barry Switzer comes in and
Speaker 3: replaces Jimmy Johnson, and it's like, you know, Barry Switzer
Speaker 3: during the Pro Bowl, they showed him because they lost
Speaker 3: the NFC title game, like when you're in like he's
Speaker 3: sitting there eating a hot dog during and that today, no, you,
Speaker 3: no one cares about the probole. But it was kind
Speaker 3: of like this guy is a whack job. And like
Speaker 3: the reporting coming out of Dallas was like you know,
Speaker 3: Troy Aikman was beside himself, like post Jimmy Johnson was
Speaker 3: about his chaotic as it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Barry shout out to the I thought you were
Speaker 2: gonna slip up there by the way, what.
Speaker 1: You mentioned Pro Bowl then you're talking the aby. I
Speaker 1: was out of my I wasn't.
Speaker 3: I was out of my head too, I wasn't even
Speaker 3: thinking about that what the episode's about at this point.
Speaker 5: The seventies, like the seventies Raiders or the seventies Steelers,
Speaker 5: to me would be very fun because that, to me
Speaker 5: is sort of the birth of what we think of
Speaker 5: as the NFL in general. But it also you know,
Speaker 5: reading the books from back then, it's like it was
Speaker 5: so much looser the relationship between the media and the
Speaker 5: team and the fans. It was all like the business
Speaker 5: of it all was all turned down to such a
Speaker 5: degree that you really got to know these guys.
Speaker 4: It was characters, like it was.
Speaker 5: They were all kind of in it together, and they
Speaker 5: were just insane characters in a way that that those
Speaker 5: teams seemed like they would be a lot of fun
Speaker 5: to do.
Speaker 2: All right, next one, I think West would have thrown
Speaker 2: out all right here, Sam asks Sam The Hobbit Underscore
Speaker 2: ninety eight. Everyone, what were some of your favorite non
Speaker 2: football related pieces of entertainment, books, movies, tv concerts this
Speaker 2: past year? Okay, with a couple of things. Anybody want
Speaker 2: to start.
Speaker 5: I'll start with a couple of books that are right
Speaker 5: off the top of my dome. A is my favorite,
Speaker 5: Beasting by Paul Murray, who is an Irish writer. Like
Speaker 5: a family saga there. That's one of the best books
Speaker 5: I've read in like the last twenty years. It is
Speaker 5: incredibly written. It's it's a it's a bit of a
Speaker 5: door stop, but it's it's still it's like six hundred pages,
Speaker 5: and yet it is incredible how talented he is. And
Speaker 5: then Changang All Stars I think would be a crowd
Speaker 5: pleaser too, which is a lot of fun by Nana
Speaker 5: Quame adij Brenna, which is h Whoa's little a little
Speaker 5: science fiction d futuristic where people in prison essentially choose
Speaker 5: to fight in these like death to the death matchups.
Speaker 5: And yet it's like very literary and very very well done.
Speaker 5: The movie I like liked all the Oscar movies this year.
Speaker 5: I feel like none of them were bad, almost like
Speaker 5: like I like told overs that, like May December, I
Speaker 5: liked so many of them, but my two favorites are
Speaker 5: probably American Fiction is just like the most purely entertaining
Speaker 5: and funny and just like the easiest watch. Like American
Speaker 5: Fiction is really good with Jeffrey Wright. And Killers of
Speaker 5: the Flower Moon is probably just the best best movie.
Speaker 4: See.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I enjoyed that one a lot. I liked May December.
Speaker 4: That was great.
Speaker 1: I liked Barbie.
Speaker 4: I like Barbiere.
Speaker 1: The new True.
Speaker 3: Detective so far has been that excellent. I this I'm
Speaker 3: not saying this was a great movie, but I thought
Speaker 3: Air with Matt Damon and Jason Bateman was fun, very nostalgic,
Speaker 3: and it kind of they did a good job with it.
Speaker 1: It was I did love affleckas Phil Knight. I didn't
Speaker 1: like that well, it just for me. I sat and
Speaker 1: watched it.
Speaker 3: It was like totally and it was kind of cool
Speaker 3: to see Damon and Affleck back together. I watched Maestro
Speaker 3: and hated it and yet couldn't stop thinking about it
Speaker 3: and then kind of liked it, and I was like whatever,
Speaker 3: I just couldn't stop thinking about it for some reason,
Speaker 3: like it's good performances, but I was just like I
Speaker 3: don't know something about it is getting under my skin.
Speaker 3: Jason Zumwald and I have been talking about a film
Speaker 3: that has been essentially like re released on Criterion with
Speaker 3: Vanessa Redgrave and Oliver Reed, directed by Ken Russell, called
Speaker 3: The Devils, and it is. And I took my child
Speaker 3: to The Exorcist a couple of weeks ago, and I
Speaker 3: would say that is one of the weirder cinema experiences
Speaker 3: to take a child too.
Speaker 4: But The Devil, his social services like what is loved it.
Speaker 1: He loved it. He loved it.
Speaker 3: I don't know in transit, but he loved it. He
Speaker 3: wants he wanted to see something scary. But The Devils,
Speaker 3: which is not a horror film. It is it is
Speaker 3: and it isn't. And it's also comedic and strange and dark.
Speaker 3: And it was made a long time ago. If you
Speaker 3: have access to this, I don't would not say it's
Speaker 3: a gather the family around the hearth film on any level.
Speaker 3: There's like it's was banned in many many countries when
Speaker 3: it was released, but it is incredible.
Speaker 4: It is he was like the mother of its day.
Speaker 3: It has mother vibes to it a little bit. It
Speaker 3: truly does. It truly does. But it's it's it's it
Speaker 3: also feels like something shotgun from four five years.
Speaker 4: Ago, and it's pretty great. When was it released I
Speaker 4: think the late sixth I.
Speaker 1: Will check that interesting. I am currently finishing the Uh.
Speaker 2: It's really sad and harrowing in different places, and especially
Speaker 2: after he passed away. But the Matthew Perry memoir about
Speaker 2: his life is really fascinating and against set because he
Speaker 2: died obviously shortly after the book came out, and so
Speaker 2: much of it is about his battle with alcoholism and
Speaker 2: various drug addiction. It's really crazy to get inside that world,
Speaker 2: especially when you're one of the most famous people in
Speaker 2: the world. I just watched that what is the name
Speaker 2: of it? It's the documentary on Netflix that just came
Speaker 2: out on We Are the World.
Speaker 3: Oh, we were talking about that last night. I want
Speaker 3: to see that.
Speaker 2: It's called the Greatest Night in Pop, which is a
Speaker 2: great great look at the recording of We Are the World,
Speaker 2: the USA for Africa song to raise aid for you know,
Speaker 2: there was a major catastrophe of starvation, millions dying and
Speaker 2: Ethiopia and they came together. Michael Jackson then Lionel Richie
Speaker 2: wrote a song with you Know I'm just a couple
Speaker 2: of days notice, and then they got every big star
Speaker 2: in American pop culture and music at the time to
Speaker 2: record the song in one night and shoot the video.
Speaker 2: It was the night of the American Music Awards, in
Speaker 2: which Lionel Richie hosted and won, like swept all the awards,
Speaker 2: and then he was leading the recording session with Quincy
Speaker 2: Jones and Quincy Jones has a big sign above the door,
Speaker 2: the biggest stars in the world, check your ego at
Speaker 2: the door, and everyone did except for Prince. Check out
Speaker 2: that documentary. Also, I It's true, Detective. I'm really enjoy Yeah,
Speaker 2: returned to form Jody Foster.
Speaker 1: Henry. Speaking of Henry, turned me on to this.
Speaker 2: I've been a little bit of a slump looking for
Speaker 2: a new music that I enjoy. But a band called
Speaker 2: The Smile, which is comprised of Tom York from Radiohead,
Speaker 2: also Johnny Greenwood the guitarist, and a different drummer. So
Speaker 2: it's not Radiohead, but it kind of if you like
Speaker 2: in Rainbows Radiohead, which is my favorite Radiohead. The Smile
Speaker 2: scratches that itch that just came out, and then a concert,
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna be able to get to see it
Speaker 2: in Vegas again as a.
Speaker 1: Long time You Two fan. You Two at the Sphere.
Speaker 2: I went there with my wife in November and that
Speaker 2: was an unbelievable experience, not just because I love their music,
Speaker 2: but the spectacle of it was very cool.
Speaker 1: I highly recommend it if you can make it all
Speaker 1: right good.
Speaker 2: Next, let's see Fenshield asks, I've long wondered what team
Speaker 2: Mark supported during the three years of Brown ceased to exist.
Speaker 2: I wonder that did he consider the Ravens please come
Speaker 2: on fine shield as.
Speaker 1: Hold out hope for their return or move to the wilderness.
Speaker 1: This is Mark.
Speaker 2: I've known you for many years now, fourteen years. I
Speaker 2: don't know if I've ever talked about this with you.
Speaker 4: I have a.
Speaker 3: Definitive answer for this. Well, uh, it makes me think
Speaker 3: of Wes because I was obviously I was ho There
Speaker 3: was news right away that Cleveland was going to fight
Speaker 3: to get a team back, but you knew it was
Speaker 3: gonna take well, so that's a storyline. So I didn't
Speaker 3: pick a new favorite team, but I was agnostic. I
Speaker 3: lived in Boulder at the time. There was this incredible
Speaker 3: sports bar that I'd go to with friends and watch
Speaker 3: like everything. But it was the Brett Favre Packers from
Speaker 3: essentially ninety six, ninety seven, ninety eight that we.
Speaker 4: Got a title out of it.
Speaker 2: Hey, yeah, like but yeah, you got complaint, your you
Speaker 2: got your I guess I kind of did.
Speaker 3: I should have stopped complaining at that point. They're right,
Speaker 3: but that was that. It was just like every Sunday
Speaker 3: Brett Farr was like Brett far being about as hard
Speaker 3: as you could as you could possibly want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the good old days of Brett.
Speaker 4: Well right, right, three straight MVPs.
Speaker 5: I have this article that goes up every year which
Speaker 5: is the best Quarterbacks of all time. They call it
Speaker 5: the best Super Bowl Quarterbacks of all time, but anyone
Speaker 5: you have to have started a Super Bowl to qualify.
Speaker 2: Oh that's double, that's twenty dollars.
Speaker 1: Hit you go.
Speaker 4: It started as five, I thought before the show.
Speaker 1: No, no, he doubled it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's such a good cause that I kind of
Speaker 5: want to just keep saying it and.
Speaker 4: I keep it organic. And you don't know where. You
Speaker 4: don't know where to put mahomes on this list.
Speaker 2: I guess so many jobs he actually has at least
Speaker 2: fourteen million in the bank currently, so yeah, you'll be good.
Speaker 1: I have one other job, Mahomes.
Speaker 5: Mahomes, Like I had to decide like where to put
Speaker 5: Mahomes or Brett Favre on this list because like, of
Speaker 5: course Mahomes is going to end up near the top.
Speaker 5: But the idea is just it's just accomplishments what you've
Speaker 5: done so far. And it's like, man, Brett Farv won
Speaker 5: three straight MVPs for that. He had a shorter window
Speaker 5: than most, but for that window, it's right there with
Speaker 5: any quarterback that's ever played, maybe better than any quarterback
Speaker 5: that's ever played.
Speaker 1: That dude.
Speaker 2: And I and I'll say, and everything that happened in
Speaker 2: recent years is terrible around far but one of the
Speaker 2: great performances I've ever seen. And this this comes after
Speaker 2: he had a one year stopover with with my team,
Speaker 2: but when he went to the Vikings and had that
Speaker 2: huge season, he was there two years, but the first
Speaker 2: year was awesome. Uh And and Greg Williams and Sean
Speaker 2: Payton essentially put out a hit on Brett Favre in
Speaker 2: the two thousand and nine NFC title game and he
Speaker 2: took as vicious a beating as you will ever see
Speaker 2: a quarterback take in that game, and that some of
Speaker 2: them got up every time they tried. They were literally
Speaker 2: trying to injure him. There was money, you know, bounty.
Speaker 2: There was a bounty on basically killing Brett Favre, and
Speaker 2: Brett Farv knew it. Everybody knew it, and he kept
Speaker 2: fighting through it. Now Vikings fan than anybody else remembers
Speaker 2: the game, whils to say, well, he also through the
Speaker 2: interception to blow the game. I get that, but there
Speaker 2: were a lot of elements in that game. One of
Speaker 2: the more sneaky, painful losses in the history.
Speaker 1: Of Minnesota that game.
Speaker 4: They outplayed the game.
Speaker 2: But but I always had so much respect for far
Speaker 2: the way he played that game.
Speaker 3: And like you know, the photos and images were released
Speaker 3: after what Farv's lower body looked like after taking those hits.
Speaker 3: I mean it was like beyond medical science. And you're right,
Speaker 3: he like he during the game never even.
Speaker 5: Showed wait did you any And it also gave Jordan
Speaker 5: Love like an inspiration of how to end this Packer season.
Speaker 5: He's like, I'm gonna be exactly like Brett Favin, throw
Speaker 5: that exact same path.
Speaker 1: Same throw. So when the Browns come back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they stink because they're an expansion franchise. Was
Speaker 2: it hard to let go of the Packers? Now it helped?
Speaker 2: I guess the Packers are then starting to come down
Speaker 2: a little bit. Right When the Browns came, I I will.
Speaker 3: Never forget like the night that they were relaunch on
Speaker 3: Sunday Night football in Week one against the Cordell Stewart
Speaker 3: Bill Cower led Steelers. I went to that same Boulder
Speaker 3: bar with an empty notebook that was gonna be my
Speaker 3: Brown's notebook, like for the year, and I was gonna
Speaker 3: write dense notes. And I'd had a feeling that they
Speaker 3: were going to be at least interesting and special. And
Speaker 3: by the end of the first quarter they were down
Speaker 3: like twenty one and nothing, and I was like, this
Speaker 3: notebook can go into the circular file. It was nothing
Speaker 3: to write or see about. It was a disaster, but
Speaker 3: there was no conflict. I was all the way in
Speaker 3: and like, you know, they never really got a whole
Speaker 3: lot better from that, but they made the playoffs in
Speaker 3: two thousand and two five David, like.
Speaker 4: When you're born in seven.
Speaker 1: Those first two years back was rough. Tim Couch.
Speaker 3: Chris Palmer was coach, back then like an offensive guru
Speaker 3: who like you know, had been with a bunch of
Speaker 3: teams and was they that I will not go on
Speaker 3: about it, but the difference between like the Jaguars and
Speaker 3: Panthers and you know, expansion teams that were given like
Speaker 3: a two year lead up and given a proper time
Speaker 3: I'm to hire, and they were given you know, draft privilege.
Speaker 3: The Browns got really hosed, and it was a truncated
Speaker 3: process that I think helped those other teams in general
Speaker 3: to do a better job in any expansion team since
Speaker 3: Cleveland got really hosed in every possible way.
Speaker 5: His defensive coordinator was Bob Slowick. You know this league,
Speaker 5: hey man, you go different, different way.
Speaker 4: It's a family. Romeo Carnal then took over for him
Speaker 4: next year.
Speaker 2: Pop quiz Mark, who was the leading rusher of the
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine expansion Browns.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's gonna kill me when I hear the name,
Speaker 3: because I used to talk about him all the time.
Speaker 3: But he was pulled from their little strange expansion draft.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 1: Te Terry Kirby.
Speaker 3: Terry Kirby, all right, next you have filed, sir, But that's.
Speaker 1: A tough one.
Speaker 3: It's not like, no, no, no, but that's you know,
Speaker 3: it wasn't Jim Brown all right?
Speaker 1: Wait was not waffle house?
Speaker 2: Hamlin asks when will the pain from the Ravens losing stop? Now, Well,
Speaker 2: that's interesting coming off the heels of the Browns conversation.
Speaker 1: I will'll say this, it's an underrated fan pain.
Speaker 2: I've experienced it three times personally to lose in on
Speaker 2: Championship Sunday. Because if you if you lose AFC or
Speaker 2: NFC Championship, you obviously it's one that you lose in
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. Oh give it to me. It's for
Speaker 2: a good cause. And you'll soon find out it's one
Speaker 2: thing to lose. But then at least you get there
Speaker 2: if you if you fall short, you get title game. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you get the two weeks of the hype and the
Speaker 2: excitement around that. Nobody remembers how deep most teams went
Speaker 2: in their conference playoffs, and it's just like so empty
Speaker 2: when you're that close to making the big game and
Speaker 2: then you don't.
Speaker 3: I think also that game, particularly like coming out of it,
Speaker 3: it's like, wait, why didn't Lamar Jackson? Why did they
Speaker 3: just unleash him in full fury and unlead? It's a
Speaker 3: bit of a what if game where it's like, this
Speaker 3: isn't the Ravens team that we saw, especially.
Speaker 1: When you say Odell.
Speaker 2: They had some good NFL films of him sitting next
Speaker 2: to Lamar as the game started to spin out, and
Speaker 2: he's basically telling Lamar you can you could change the game,
Speaker 2: like when you run like that flips the script and
Speaker 2: and everyone watching.
Speaker 1: The game was saying the same thing.
Speaker 2: How many times was he just living in that pocket
Speaker 2: instead of making plays with his legs and changing the
Speaker 2: feel and dynamic of that game.
Speaker 4: Yes, the answer is like week one ish.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's never gonna leave you until unless they
Speaker 5: make him win the Super Bowl, but especially the next
Speaker 5: couple of weeks are.
Speaker 3: Oh, you are spinning out.
Speaker 4: I remember once.
Speaker 5: I remember when we first did these, I focused on
Speaker 5: it and it hasn't even crossed my mind to not
Speaker 5: say it.
Speaker 3: I was like, how did I get out of the
Speaker 3: eighty six Giants conversation?
Speaker 1: Scott, That's a.
Speaker 5: Good job, I think, though it gets more painful the
Speaker 5: further you go. Like if you lose where the Ravens lost, Uh,
Speaker 5: that stinks for the next couple of weeks, and you
Speaker 5: always believe that you should have been there, and it's
Speaker 5: gonna stink all off season, all the coverage of it
Speaker 5: if the Chiefs win. But it's even worse if you
Speaker 5: lose the next one, like it keeps getting worse.
Speaker 1: I've said this reason what happened there, Chiefs?
Speaker 4: Well you can't. Oh, you can't say chief.
Speaker 1: It's like fifty bucks right now. Fifty that's not a
Speaker 1: that's that's a little bit of scratch.
Speaker 2: Anyway, if our teams ever get to the big game,
Speaker 2: we gotta win. It cannot get there, they cannot cannot
Speaker 2: no one. All right, let's check a couple more Gussie
Speaker 2: Maine asks, seeing as how the Vikings will probably never
Speaker 2: be the team of ATM again, well you never know.
Speaker 1: Third time could be the Tiant.
Speaker 2: Are there any other teams that can't ever be team
Speaker 2: of ATM?
Speaker 1: That's a good one.
Speaker 5: Let's see ever, I would say, see Washington would have
Speaker 5: been my answer until the owner change, but now I'm
Speaker 5: open minded.
Speaker 1: New England would have been mine. But there they can't
Speaker 1: world know, Yeah, the.
Speaker 5: Jets can't, Like we can't have more Jets talking this,
Speaker 5: I understand. And that's just my Patriots fandom too.
Speaker 2: Obviously, the Ravens can't because of Mark. I would say
Speaker 2: probably the AFC North. Well, the Bengals I think are
Speaker 2: up for.
Speaker 3: The Bengals kind of secretly spiritually were for one season
Speaker 3: there um.
Speaker 5: Other than that, Yeah, when you say ever, like it's
Speaker 5: really hard to imagine the forty nine ers in this
Speaker 5: current iteration, give me ten more dollars there.
Speaker 3: Oh well, or the team they're about to play.
Speaker 5: But you never know, and like if if this show
Speaker 5: is lucky enough to still be doing it, and.
Speaker 3: I guess if you like, maybe if you look it
Speaker 3: like change where we are today.
Speaker 1: There's a handful of teams that I would never see
Speaker 1: that's it. Certainly the team that plays at Arrowhead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they are never going to be the team of
Speaker 2: atn and there's got to be a certain plucking spirit
Speaker 2: to them though the true.
Speaker 1: Giants don't possess. All right, what's ex.
Speaker 2: Dennis Kelly asks what team would you most like to
Speaker 2: be a fan of in the next three to five
Speaker 2: years with an exciting future? And what team could you
Speaker 2: not be paid to be a fan of in the
Speaker 2: upcoming years?
Speaker 3: All right, easy for me on the first part.
Speaker 1: Texans.
Speaker 3: I actually love that they found a way to keep
Speaker 3: Bobby slowick around. I'm sure money was involved there and
Speaker 3: who knows what else.
Speaker 4: But we didn't get a job offer. I think that's
Speaker 4: the number one.
Speaker 5: Thing, well in general, one the insiders on where they
Speaker 5: always make a big deal of, like he's coming back.
Speaker 4: You didn't get a job.
Speaker 3: Well, just the faith that he didn't, Yes, Like just
Speaker 3: the fact that, like if you're the defensive coach, like
Speaker 3: you keep the guy that's running your offense them for
Speaker 3: obvious reasons. Couldn't root for I don't know, a bunch
Speaker 3: of teams annoying me. That's I'd have to think about
Speaker 3: that one.
Speaker 5: Well, you you mentioned one in the previous show, which
Speaker 5: I that you couldn't root for the Chargers, which I
Speaker 5: think would be close to my list of the fun one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it.
Speaker 4: Just be in St.
Speaker 5: Texans popped into my mind first too for a fun team,
Speaker 5: but I think the Chargers. Chargers might be fun because.
Speaker 3: I was I was just saying the Chargers organization can't
Speaker 3: go create.
Speaker 1: I think it'd be fun to be a fan of.
Speaker 5: Okay, the you know what strikes me right now is
Speaker 5: the Saints. Now, they could all this could get fleshed out,
Speaker 5: but there's such on the negative. On the negative side,
Speaker 5: there's something about this group running this team in this
Speaker 5: current ineration.
Speaker 4: That's the I would not want to become a fan
Speaker 4: of this team.
Speaker 1: I couldn't do Cowboys two more.
Speaker 2: Stephen Lee, we need to bring back hashtag Greg likes rap.
Speaker 5: He does, I mean, but I like other music just as.
Speaker 2: Well hashtag Greg likes rat. You're our rap officionado of
Speaker 2: the podcast. With that being said, as a former New
Speaker 2: Orleans inhabitant, that's interesting when I'm putting it cash Money
Speaker 2: Millionaires or No Limit Soldiers, that's a big one.
Speaker 5: I could be speaking out of turn here, but I
Speaker 5: feel like this sort of question would only come from
Speaker 5: a non New orleneas like, Okay, it's not much of
Speaker 5: a competation. What No Limit accomplished was was great. You know,
Speaker 5: they made the most with with what they have, but
Speaker 5: cash Money Millionaires. When I was there, which was when
Speaker 5: both these crews were coming in nineties early too, they
Speaker 5: were like the Beatles in Liverpool, I mean, and they're
Speaker 5: just far more talented, juvenile and the Beatles No then
Speaker 5: the then the No Limit Soldiers.
Speaker 2: I mean, No Limit was fun, but come on, I
Speaker 2: gotta support master P. I always do I'm very anti
Speaker 2: Big Sean very I.
Speaker 5: Mean he was he was fun too, but I mean,
Speaker 5: how many how many bangers did did No Limit really.
Speaker 1: Have No Limit?
Speaker 2: Remember the all the album covers, they all had the
Speaker 2: same general.
Speaker 4: They got it done, they got well.
Speaker 2: The aesthetic it was a very garish like bright colors.
Speaker 2: It was kind of was it kind of animated and
Speaker 2: then like kind of blowing out.
Speaker 5: Great, they're kind of coming back. People now are like
Speaker 5: copying them. I love master p his commercial where he
Speaker 5: was selling like his own phone, the No Limit phone
Speaker 5: that you could buy that just ran NonStop in New
Speaker 5: Orleans is seared into my brain.
Speaker 2: Yes, all right, one more last question, good one, Greg
Speaker 2: see people wanted to hear it'd been too long. Chris
Speaker 2: at TN oilers ask where does Kirk land a little
Speaker 2: lookhead of? And we could talk kind of a landscape
Speaker 2: of some quarterbacks in general as we look ahead to
Speaker 2: the off season. I thought we were a little bit
Speaker 2: and we talked about some buyer b aware with Cousins
Speaker 2: on Wednesday, but a little circaissance, not just in how
Speaker 2: the public views him, but the Vikings.
Speaker 1: I felt like they were falling in love with Kirk again.
Speaker 2: Last year and then to see what happened when betrayed
Speaker 2: both us and the Vikings with his play, and then
Speaker 2: everything had happened.
Speaker 4: It's not like any of his successors fared any better.
Speaker 2: But yes, but I kind of would say that the
Speaker 2: odds on favorite would be him staying in Minnesota.
Speaker 3: But I mean to your argument from the other show
Speaker 3: is they also would have concerns I think fairly about
Speaker 3: what physical shape he is in post Achilles.
Speaker 1: Like that was Greg's argument.
Speaker 5: Well, it's also like, is this the time for them
Speaker 5: as an organization to reset? I think you're right Dan
Speaker 5: that they are the most likely destination. But for the
Speaker 5: sake of this conversation, I think it's fun to consider
Speaker 5: the Denver Broncos as an underrated team. I think he
Speaker 5: would fit well with pay and I think they're very
Speaker 5: much in win now mode and they have no quarterback.
Speaker 5: I don't think Russell Wilson is going to be an
Speaker 5: option there and a real wildcard here. Offensive staff is changing,
Speaker 5: but just throwing it out there, a ton of cap space,
Speaker 5: veteran team, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, just I don't.
Speaker 4: I was trying to think of like where he would
Speaker 4: be I liked I like that.
Speaker 5: I think Denver actually strikes me as the team that
Speaker 5: would pay the money for him.
Speaker 3: Maybe I wish he would go to the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 4: That'd be fun, he.
Speaker 2: Uh, I like him just walking in there and saying,
Speaker 2: Kenny Pickett, give me number eight and get the hell.
Speaker 1: Out of here, Rue, You're gone.
Speaker 2: He'd weirdly fit the Steelers, but I wouldn't get in
Speaker 2: a Pittsburgh uniform. That just and that team. Yeah, listen,
Speaker 2: careful what you wish for. You give them a proficient
Speaker 2: quarterback with the skill players there, with that defense, the
Speaker 2: Steelers could be, you know, back in.
Speaker 1: The AFC Championship game themselves very quickly. All right? Uh?
Speaker 1: Is that it? Yeah?
Speaker 2: That's any other quarterbacks to throw out there? Just by
Speaker 2: the way, while we're here, who else is?
Speaker 1: So? The banker is obviously a figure of interest.
Speaker 4: Russell Wilson, rob justin Field. See Russell Wilson to me,
Speaker 4: seems like a dealer.
Speaker 5: The Falcons, I think, will be looking for one, and
Speaker 5: Cousins could fit that offense quite well too.
Speaker 3: I am very suspicious. I'm very suspicious of a team
Speaker 3: signing up for Russell Wilson as their starter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be. I feel like that would be God.
Speaker 2: Would any be excited in Pittsburgh?
Speaker 1: No, I don't know. I don't think he think he
Speaker 1: needs to.
Speaker 2: I feel like Russ almost has to do a Baker
Speaker 2: where he needs to go somewhere and win a job
Speaker 2: and then kind of try to rest out.
Speaker 5: I think it's safe to say Jamis Winston will be
Speaker 5: looking for a new job after how last season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm curious.
Speaker 4: I am curious.
Speaker 1: I know I was.
Speaker 2: This wasn't an overly popular take, but if he will
Speaker 2: have a slightly chillier market based on how the season ended.
Speaker 4: His market was very chilly last year, Like cow.
Speaker 2: Many head coach is gonna be like, Oh that's the
Speaker 2: guy I want my locker room.
Speaker 3: I mean it was an upset he stayed with the Saints.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this season he didn't have a ton of interest, So.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Raiders got to find someone. Maybe Justin Field's in
Speaker 3: a Raiders uniform.
Speaker 4: I could see that.
Speaker 1: Sure, Sure anything else.
Speaker 3: Good job, good job, everybody, Thank you raised a lot
Speaker 3: of money.
Speaker 4: What a day.
Speaker 5: This is one of those days where this feels like
Speaker 5: the music podcast we've done, and like it's a very
Speaker 5: podcasting podcast, and then we're just hearing this studio with
Speaker 5: these bright lights and this is gonna air on fast
Speaker 5: and there's all those people behind the class and I
Speaker 5: was like.
Speaker 1: Well, wait does that really work? Madison behind the glass?
Speaker 1: Who else is there? Who's there?
Speaker 2: Eric Roberts, Josh behind the glass, Cynthia and of course
Speaker 2: Eric the producer. Thank you you guys all sharing this
Speaker 2: award equally so when you if you want to call
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Speaker 1: We shared this great success around the NFL.
Speaker 2: To everyone else who attempted to defeat us, whether it's
Speaker 2: the fellow nominees or old bosses, past lovers, or the
Speaker 2: past lovers, or the enemies who have yet to reveal themselves.
Speaker 2: We are Brett fav in the two thousand and nine
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