1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to brain Stuff production of I Heart Radio. Hey 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: brain Stuff, Lauren Vogelbaum. Here, after a tragic loss or 3 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: a traumatic breakup, we would all like to believe that 4 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: there's a way to turn off the pain switch and 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 1: get back to a normal life. So when well meaning 6 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 1: friends and families say you just need to find some closure, 7 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: we think maybe that's the answer. Once we achieve this 8 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: mythical state of closure, we hope the pain will disappear 9 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 1: and the bad memories will be wiped clean. The problem, 10 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: psychologists say, is the closure, at least as we understand 11 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: it in popular culture, doesn't really exist. By searching for 12 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: permanent closure to our emotional pain, they say, we're closing 13 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: ourselves off to healthier ways of processing difficult experiences. The 14 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: concept of closure comes from gestalt psychology. Gastalt began as 15 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: a way of understanding how the mind proceeds, eaves, and 16 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: processes images, and one of the principles of gestalt perception 17 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: is that the mind seeks closure. For example, if an 18 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 1: image of a circle is incomplete, the mind still perceives 19 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: it as a whole circle. Over time, this principle crossed 20 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: over to the processing of life experiences. If you suffered 21 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: an unresolved trauma in the past, Gestalt taught then you 22 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: were unable to fully move on until the issue was 23 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:31,479 Speaker 1: closed in some way. This led to therapeutic techniques like 24 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: the empty chair, in which participants would imagine the source 25 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: of their unfinished business, say an abuse of parent or 26 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,839 Speaker 1: a deceased lover, sitting in the chair and speaking to them. 27 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 1: While empty chair therapy often provided a short term emotional release, 28 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: it didn't free the subjects from long term pain. Despite 29 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: the questionable efficacy of gestalt therapy, the belief the closure 30 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: is a panacea for emotional pain became deep embedded in 31 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: American pop psychology. It's a favorite of the news media, 32 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: where the families of murder victims or people affected by 33 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: terrorist attacks are always looking for closure, and it's a 34 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: cliche of daytime talk shows when a jilted lover is 35 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: brought on stage to confront their lousy x so they 36 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: can finally get some closure. But we spoke with psychotherapist 37 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 1: Ashley Davis Bush, author of Hope and Healing for Transcending Loss, 38 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: and she says that unfortunately, the kind of closure peddled 39 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: by pop psychology isn't really achievable, nor should it be. 40 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: Bush said, Americans like happy endings were a feel good society. 41 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: We like clean cut things. We want to believe there's 42 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 1: an end to pain. In reality, it's not that the 43 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: pain ends, but it changes over time. When Bush sees 44 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 1: clients who are grieving a lost spouse or close family member, 45 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 1: she doesn't talk about achieving closure, which to her, is 46 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: the equivalent of trying to close the door on honest, 47 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: if sometimes painful emotions. Instead, she uses terms like healing 48 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: and growth and helps surviving spouses learn how to live 49 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: with loss or how to carry the precious memory of 50 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: the loved one with them in positive ways. Bush said, 51 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,119 Speaker 1: I also call it living with the love, really allowing 52 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: the memories of that person to fortify you, recognizing that 53 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,519 Speaker 1: you're a different person because you loved them, that they're 54 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 1: still with you in certain essential ways, and not being 55 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: afraid to honor that relationship. Honoring a relationship with the 56 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: deceased spouse doesn't mean that the widow or widower is 57 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: stuck in the past or will be unable to form 58 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: new relationships. In fact, it's often the opposite. By not 59 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: tempting to blunt or shut down their honest feelings, they 60 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: remain emotionally alive. Bush has clients who, after passing through 61 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: a period of intense grief, have fallen in love again 62 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: and even remarried without sacrificing deep feelings of loyalty to 63 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: their first spouse. But what about divorces and bad breakups? 64 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: Is it still a bad idea to seek closure if 65 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: you're having a hard time moving on from a painful 66 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: end to a long term relationship. Bush said, that's a 67 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 1: different situation. I do think that closure is more relevant 68 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 1: when you have the end of a relationship. There really 69 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 1: are elements of closure, whether it's signing the divorce papers 70 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 1: or moving out of the apartment you shared. There's a 71 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: more specific kind of closure that we think is achievable. 72 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: Yet at the same time, we are always affected by 73 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: our past relationships and will carry those experiences with us. 74 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: Bush says, we still need to learn how to honor 75 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: the relationship and gather wisdom from it, even if it 76 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: didn't end the way that we imagined it would. The question, 77 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: she says, is whether the emotional baggage we take away 78 00:04:55,400 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: from the relationship will be heavy or light. One way 79 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 1: to lighten our emotional baggage. Research has shown is to 80 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 1: write about the breakup. Specifically, researchers asked a hundred people 81 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: who had recently experienced a breakup to journal for thirty 82 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: minutes a day for three consecutive days. A portion of 83 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: participants were told to write exclusively about positive aspects of 84 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,799 Speaker 1: the breakup and how they'd grown because of it. After 85 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: the writing exercise, this group reported no increase in negative 86 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: emotions and a boost of positive outcomes, including comfort, confidence, empowerment, optimism, thankfulness, 87 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: and wisdom. Today's episode was written by Dave Ruse and 88 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: produced by Tyler Klang. For more in this and lots 89 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: of other curious topics, visit how stuff works dot com. 90 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 1: Brain Stuff is production of iHeart Radio. Or more podcasts 91 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: to my heart Radio visit the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, 92 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.