Speaker 1: This is How Men Think with brooks Like and Gavin
Speaker 1: degrab And I heard radio podcast feeling It. I love
Speaker 1: when we get that intro. Hey, Gav, I feel it feeling. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of How Men Think. My name
Speaker 1: is brooks Like, and we have two co hosts here
Speaker 1: with us. We have my usual wing man, Mr Gavin
Speaker 1: de Great to see you, good mornings. You also have Buddy,
Speaker 1: your dog with you. He's sitting here with us. I do.
Speaker 1: He's smelling the coffee cake. He's smelling your coffee cake.
Speaker 1: And we have new co host her second actually her
Speaker 1: second time on the show, first time that I've been
Speaker 1: on the show with her. Welcome back, Miss Taitia Adams.
Speaker 1: Thanks for commentation. I'm so happy to be here. So
Speaker 1: we are here, that's right. We are here at a
Speaker 1: T and T Pebble Beach program in California. We're checking
Speaker 1: out this weekend. We're watching some golf and we're recording
Speaker 1: some podcasts. And Gavin, you're such a fantastic golfer that
Speaker 1: we're gonna watch you live for the swing, your handicap
Speaker 1: um all of my limbs. Do you golf, buddy? No,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't golfing once upon time, I wouldn't say golfing,
Speaker 1: and uh, let's say it was my first time and
Speaker 1: the guy I said, hey, would you mind giving me
Speaker 1: a quick lesson because it was more like a meet
Speaker 1: and greet on a golf course. He said sure, and
Speaker 1: we sit there for about three minutes. He said, just
Speaker 1: swing this way and do this, and I said, no problem.
Speaker 1: And I crushed the ball and he was like, okay,
Speaker 1: and then I crushed the ball again. And I crushed
Speaker 1: the ball again. But the problem was I kept hitting
Speaker 1: the ball at a ninety degree angle to my right
Speaker 1: and he said, maybe you should just face the clubhouse
Speaker 1: and then you gave it up. Yeah. I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, that's it for me. I think I'm out
Speaker 1: of here. Um I have in the past, I've tried.
Speaker 1: I've taken a couple of lessons. I do have some clubs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're pink. They're really cute. I own a couple of
Speaker 1: golf skirts. It's a whole reason why I got into
Speaker 1: the sport, to quite honest with you, that it's quite cute.
Speaker 1: I love golf skirt. That's higher the golf retire um.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. I'm actually we didn't know right before this
Speaker 1: podcast began that you were even going to be here, Gav.
Speaker 1: I didn't know either. Literally, we're supposed to record, We're
Speaker 1: supposed to record this, and two minutes before we start recording,
Speaker 1: Amy's like, Brooks, you and Tasi are gonna have to
Speaker 1: do this yourselves, because Gavin, you're supposed to be here yesterday.
Speaker 1: You know, showed by the way that showed up. That
Speaker 1: showed up according to my calculations, whould be in my schedule.
Speaker 1: What had happened was I was supposed to be here
Speaker 1: whatever time yesterday in order to do the podcast today.
Speaker 1: And then the night before I was told, oh, we'll
Speaker 1: do We'll start doing the show tomorrow, and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh wait a second, I have stuff to pack, all
Speaker 1: my stuff and drive up and stuff like that. So
Speaker 1: three your guys fault, you know. Can I tell you
Speaker 1: my story with how I got here? Yes, this is good,
Speaker 1: I told Tashi yesterday because she was here yesterday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was so listen to this, listen to this. So
Speaker 1: I go to fly out yesterday morning from l A.
Speaker 1: So I dropped my dog off, go to fly out,
Speaker 1: go to the airport, go to check in, and the
Speaker 1: lady says, um, yeah, we don't fly to Monterey from here.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, my ticket says you do and
Speaker 1: you're United and I'm flying with you. And she says, no,
Speaker 1: we don't. And so I look at my ticket and
Speaker 1: it's not Burbank Airport, it's l A X Airport. So
Speaker 1: I went to the completely wrong airport to fly out,
Speaker 1: first time I've ever done that. And I phone Amy.
Speaker 1: I'm like, Amy, I'm gonna miss my flight. UM need
Speaker 1: to reschedule me. So she reschedules me, and then you'll
Speaker 1: reschedules me a flight. I go to l A X.
Speaker 1: You guys are calling you guys were amazing about it.
Speaker 1: They just rescheduled me for a couple hours later. I
Speaker 1: go to l A X and I'm like, okay, getting
Speaker 1: on the plane and I find out what seed I
Speaker 1: have b okay that the ticket I'm booked is basic economy.
Speaker 1: You can't get a less like you can't get on
Speaker 1: an airplane for less than basic economy. I get on,
Speaker 1: I go to thirteen B and it turns out that
Speaker 1: six inches away from my nose is the lavatory. I
Speaker 1: am seated, kidding me, No, I'm not. I am seated
Speaker 1: right next with the bathroom. Yeah, he should have just
Speaker 1: sat in the bathroom. I was the same, Yeah, it
Speaker 1: would have been better, just like you guys, mind if
Speaker 1: I put my feet up on the toilet to kind
Speaker 1: of stretch out a little bit over here. So it
Speaker 1: was a day. It was a day for me. I
Speaker 1: missed the flight, went to the wrong airports the flight,
Speaker 1: and then sat by the toilet on the way here.
Speaker 1: That's terrible. Did you feel like you smelled like one
Speaker 1: of those pink urinald cakes when you landed? No, I
Speaker 1: did not know. I got in and took a shower. Though.
Speaker 1: What happens? Then I text Brooks and I said, well,
Speaker 1: because you're late, comes straight to the golf course, go
Speaker 1: right to the lodge at Pebble Beach. In like text,
Speaker 1: and there was the second line. It was like perfect,
Speaker 1: you couldn't have it. You're like, bring Logs to Pebble Beach.
Speaker 1: He calls me and he's like I'm here, and I'm like, great, okay,
Speaker 1: where are you? And He's like, I'm right in the front.
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking, okay, well we're at the little market.
Speaker 1: So I said, ask anyone you see where the market
Speaker 1: is where's the market? And you hear like, some dude,
Speaker 1: go there's no market. So I'm like, can you ask
Speaker 1: someone Brooks where are you? He is at a hotel
Speaker 1: and guess like you're getting to know me. But Gab
Speaker 1: knows me. He knows that, like I'm a prompt I'm on,
Speaker 1: I don't and I was absolutely Danielle's shaking her head
Speaker 1: and I think I text you this Amy. I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is how Gavin feels every single day of the fights.
Speaker 1: But guess what the difference between you and me is.
Speaker 1: While I'm lost, I'm kind of just enjoying the view.
Speaker 1: I did too, and just relaxed. And you know, I
Speaker 1: have been to the wrong airport before, but it was
Speaker 1: to pick up somebody, just to pick up my older brother,
Speaker 1: and you could imagine what that was like. I was like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm here, Well where are you? I'm at such and
Speaker 1: Suminal I was like, I'm right there, man, just look
Speaker 1: for the car, like where are you? I don't see
Speaker 1: I'm waving my hands. You know. He's like, did I
Speaker 1: realize I had gone to the wrong airport to pick him? Gosh?
Speaker 1: And he was like, you such an idiot. Mistakes happen.
Speaker 1: But so today's episode, and this is why we have
Speaker 1: Tasha on here is we want to talk about men's grooming,
Speaker 1: the importance of men's grooming. We want to as men,
Speaker 1: we want to learn. We have a guest that's going
Speaker 1: to come on and teach us a little bit about
Speaker 1: grooming and self care. Are so excited for that. And
Speaker 1: then we want your perspective tation because really men, men
Speaker 1: want to groom to impress women or to impress a partner,
Speaker 1: and so we want a woman's take on men's grooming.
Speaker 1: Men's self care doesn't matter? Does it not matter? How
Speaker 1: much does it matter? And how much can you push
Speaker 1: it on a guy if he's not doing it? And
Speaker 1: then also what parts of the body, what parts of
Speaker 1: the body need to be groomed? Can I just start
Speaker 1: right with this question for you guys? How do you feel?
Speaker 1: And I don't know how to say this properly that
Speaker 1: we want to dress you, So I do it. I
Speaker 1: trick it by just buying gifts all the time of
Speaker 1: clothes and so it seems like, no, you look so great,
Speaker 1: and then I got you this because really it's like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not super crazy about some of the stuff you wear.
Speaker 1: But if you wear this, I'm gonna be into it.
Speaker 1: Sounds a huge thing. I would love it if I
Speaker 1: never had to buy one article of clothing again the
Speaker 1: rest of my life. I would love it, absolutely love it.
Speaker 1: It's been I'm trying to remember the last thing that
Speaker 1: I actually I bought this Lulu Lemon T shirt. About that? So, um,
Speaker 1: a white Lulu Lemon T shirt. That was my big purchase.
Speaker 1: He likes to push the boundaries. Yeah, I would love
Speaker 1: to never shop again in my life. So if we
Speaker 1: have a listener that wants to shop for me, my
Speaker 1: wife does most of it. Should get me stuff like
Speaker 1: Christmas or whatever. Um, she'll just buy me clothes. Do
Speaker 1: you like all this that that she generally picks out?
Speaker 1: Or yes? She has way better taste than I do,
Speaker 1: So I would love would would you like to dress
Speaker 1: a man? Or what do you think about? You just
Speaker 1: said style is very important? You think style on a
Speaker 1: man is important? Absolutely? I love dressing guys. I love
Speaker 1: the shopping for guys clothes. Let's we're gonna put you
Speaker 1: on the spot ta show better style right now, Gavin
Speaker 1: or Men I knew it. It's a scarf he's got
Speaker 1: that wonderful blue scarf, and he's got a dog. He's
Speaker 1: got his dog sitting beside him. I just want to
Speaker 1: say that was the right answer. Okay, okay, can you
Speaker 1: break that down? So Gavin's over here wearing like a
Speaker 1: beautiful light brown jacket with a nice blue, kind of
Speaker 1: ruggedy scarf, just got a hat on. You put some
Speaker 1: effort in. You can tell you know, I like, but
Speaker 1: also at the same time, I do like yourself. I like,
Speaker 1: I don't know again, confidence just own it. Gavin owns
Speaker 1: that scarf. It's just working for Thank you for that.
Speaker 1: You're welcome. Okay. So you you like a little more
Speaker 1: like detailed, like I just have black pants and a
Speaker 1: white shirt. So you like that Gavin has layers. I
Speaker 1: guess layers is the term. Yeah, Gavin, do you dress yourself?
Speaker 1: I'm so proud of you. I did. But before I
Speaker 1: went out the door, I turned to my dog and
Speaker 1: I was like, am I your am? I your type? This?
Speaker 1: It's just like, would you happy to be seen with
Speaker 1: me today? Walking across the golf course? Is a suit
Speaker 1: you You're like, it's it's pretty. Did you say you
Speaker 1: dressed up today? Or is this like your casual. Well,
Speaker 1: I just dressed for the weather today. But I try.
Speaker 1: I've I've corrected my wardrobe over time, and it took
Speaker 1: some guidance from who who guided you? Um, women and
Speaker 1: uh and uh you know they have better. You know
Speaker 1: they have women and uh you know so my dad
Speaker 1: says women and so anyway, you know they have better,
Speaker 1: they have better fashion sense, only because I think women
Speaker 1: just tend to pay more attention to fashion sense. You know.
Speaker 1: It's has to do with the things that they you know,
Speaker 1: they're interested in. You know, when guys tend to watch movies,
Speaker 1: we like to watch hero movies, like a guy doing
Speaker 1: to shoot them up, or like climbing a mountain, and
Speaker 1: that's something the part that speaks to girls, I don't
Speaker 1: think the same way. Oh he looks really good in
Speaker 1: that suit in that scene, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: For example, it's Oscar weekend, So will you guys be
Speaker 1: watching for the for the fashion. Do you ever like
Speaker 1: look at a guy and like, wow, he looks really good,
Speaker 1: Like I love his outfit? Yeah, like yeah, I used
Speaker 1: to have nice suits when I played hockey. I'd get
Speaker 1: custom suits and because it was like it was fun
Speaker 1: to walk into because we had to wear suits every game.
Speaker 1: We had to wear suits every wee retraveled. So it's
Speaker 1: nice to have a custom tailored like sharp suit. But
Speaker 1: that was as far as I went with it. Some
Speaker 1: guys go to the point where it's like their expression,
Speaker 1: their art, and it was never I never liked to
Speaker 1: close that much. It was the same with cars for me,
Speaker 1: like I don't like cars that much to tint all
Speaker 1: the windows and put all the rims and then trick
Speaker 1: it out and do all this stuff that I just
Speaker 1: don't like it that much. But yeah, like a suit
Speaker 1: is one thing as a man you cannot cheap out on.
Speaker 1: You need to have a nice suit as amazing. But
Speaker 1: when you walk past the nineteen sixty seven Fast Act
Speaker 1: Mustang with torque thrust rims, you don't say, man, that's
Speaker 1: a badass, Like I freak out, dude. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: get under it, man, I'm like, oh yeah, I like
Speaker 1: what they did with that. Man, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: I lose it, So I do, but then yeah, not
Speaker 1: maybe not to the extent that you do. But then
Speaker 1: a minute later it's left my brain and I'm not
Speaker 1: going out to buy it. I'm not like obsessed with it.
Speaker 1: I'm not finding a magazine or researching it on the internet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's horrible. I end up on eBay because that's right, Tassia.
Speaker 1: Would you want to dress a partner? Would you like
Speaker 1: if like your guy was like I don't like fashion
Speaker 1: and so you get to dress him. Where would you prefer,
Speaker 1: like the guy has a fashion sense and can dress himself. No,
Speaker 1: I don't mind. I don't mind dressing my partner at all.
Speaker 1: But I think it's also attractive when a guy can
Speaker 1: style himself, you know what I mean. But I don't
Speaker 1: mind dressing you. I can dress you. What's your favorite
Speaker 1: What is your favorite like look on a dude? Like
Speaker 1: is it like a guy in a nice suit or
Speaker 1: like business casual or jeans and T shirt? What's like
Speaker 1: the thing you're like? I love when guys we're a
Speaker 1: nice um like a sport coat. Okay, I'm gonna like
Speaker 1: dress I'm gonna dress you a mentally dress a man, Okay,
Speaker 1: A crisp, white button up tea a little bit unbuttoned
Speaker 1: at the top, with a really nice sport coat, maybe
Speaker 1: some jeans, and like a really pretty coniac like brown show.
Speaker 1: I've never worn that outfit I've never yeah, and like
Speaker 1: matching brown belt. Oh my god, that's so attractive. I
Speaker 1: feel like that's so cliche as a honestly, as ad
Speaker 1: it would all be shopping for later Kevin's Kevin shows
Speaker 1: up at supper exactly dressed. How Asia just described, well,
Speaker 1: this whole thing alone time still has tag sitting at
Speaker 1: dinner the tailors under the under the table he pass.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's jeans and a sport coat for
Speaker 1: a guy is like, and it's just it's not my vibe. Golfer.
Speaker 1: Maybe looking for a golf sponsor. That sounds golf sponsor.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just it depends the guy has
Speaker 1: to like it's been to style. Okay, how would you
Speaker 1: dress my dog? I think he's killing it on his own,
Speaker 1: to be honest, he's rocking that chain. You know why.
Speaker 1: I look at the head of hair. He is a
Speaker 1: beautiful boy. He has a beautiful boy. Gave um And
Speaker 1: up next we have a guest that's gonna join us.
Speaker 1: It's gonna teach you and I my friend, mostly me,
Speaker 1: how to be a more beautiful boy because I need
Speaker 1: some help. Oh yeah, don't we all? Yeah? Okay, we
Speaker 1: got karaml hight, I did that this morning. How about
Speaker 1: a little says in your step? Friend. That's one thing
Speaker 1: I do do. Like, that's where I take care of myself.
Speaker 1: That's one thing I do do. I'll hit the gym,
Speaker 1: but I don't like then I get back and I'm
Speaker 1: just like I need to throw clothes on. But like what,
Speaker 1: I'm very intentional with what I'm doing inside the gym.
Speaker 1: But then clothes don't matter to me. So I have
Speaker 1: room to grow. Okay, we're coming back with Karamo. Okay,
Speaker 1: back from break and we have with us joining us
Speaker 1: now a gentleman that knows a lot about men's grooming,
Speaker 1: more than Gavin, more than myself, and his name joining
Speaker 1: us today is Karamo. What's up? Fantastic my man. Welcome
Speaker 1: to how men think and we want to bring you
Speaker 1: on we Gavin, I kind of look at you like
Speaker 1: you're a specialist in the men's grooming and cleansing department.
Speaker 1: I would kind of say, being on queer I kind
Speaker 1: of does make me somewhat of a specialist. So I'll
Speaker 1: take it. So I need to sign up for for
Speaker 1: your lessons, my friend, because if you look at my face,
Speaker 1: I have scraggly facial hair. I haven't had a haircut
Speaker 1: and probably like a month. I am like the least
Speaker 1: groomed dude that you have met. So I'm looking for
Speaker 1: some guidance, my friend, maybe you should start watching Queer Eye.
Speaker 1: I was like, we have a we have a couple
Speaker 1: of seasons out where we can help you through this.
Speaker 1: He's an expert, and he's probably one of most courteous
Speaker 1: men I've ever seen to be quite honest with you.
Speaker 1: So give me the number one tip. Give me. Give
Speaker 1: me like the low hanging fruit, what a man can
Speaker 1: do to groom himself better? Like, where's the most important
Speaker 1: spot a man has to groom in your opinion? Um, well,
Speaker 1: I definitely say I don't think there's a most important spot,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because it's actually wherever you
Speaker 1: feel least confident. And so we avoid taking care of
Speaker 1: the things that we're not that confident about because we
Speaker 1: feel like, if I don't like it already, like I
Speaker 1: should short of just let it go. It's the reason
Speaker 1: why we have jump drawer. That's the reason that we
Speaker 1: have rooms that stay a little messire is because we
Speaker 1: just start to compartmentalize and avoid things. So if you're
Speaker 1: not shaving your face, if you're not cutting your hair,
Speaker 1: there's normally a reason behind it. And maybe like I
Speaker 1: don't feel that comfortable, or like I don't want that
Speaker 1: as tension, and so I normally do un queer ideal
Speaker 1: with the psychological part. But for me, I think if
Speaker 1: you can deal with your face and your scalp and
Speaker 1: how you look, that's the first people thing people are
Speaker 1: gonna see, you'll feel more confident about how you proach
Speaker 1: the world. What about if we're just lazy. I'm just
Speaker 1: like somebody I got. There's no such thing as lazy,
Speaker 1: There's no such thing as late. The desire to do
Speaker 1: something comes from usually you being or the lack of
Speaker 1: desire to do something usually comes from something that happened
Speaker 1: in your life that you don't realize it. So maybe
Speaker 1: you might have had a coach that um you know,
Speaker 1: maybe you work out too much, so now as an adult,
Speaker 1: you don't want to work out that much. Maybe for you,
Speaker 1: saying you're lazy is because you had somebody who you
Speaker 1: tried really hard for in a relationship and then now
Speaker 1: you don't want to try anymore. So I don't I
Speaker 1: don't believe anyone is lazy. There's just triggers that have
Speaker 1: caused this. The react to certain life isn't me so insightful,
Speaker 1: Like I'm telling you, it's like beauty, beauty, beauty wizardry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I try. Okay, Um, let me ask you this question, Um,
Speaker 1: facial hair or no facial hair? Um. I think it
Speaker 1: depends on the guy. For me, I like facial hair.
Speaker 1: I think there's something about patil hair that is sexy
Speaker 1: and really nice. Um, but most men don't know how
Speaker 1: to like keep it up. So you want to make
Speaker 1: sure you have a moisturizer so your face it feels
Speaker 1: nice and moisturizing all the time. Also a cleanser so
Speaker 1: you can get rid of like any red spots from discoloration.
Speaker 1: And then most importantly is a sunscreen whether you are
Speaker 1: white or black, because a lot of times people of
Speaker 1: color I think they shouldn't use guns sunscreen. You have
Speaker 1: to use a daily sunscreen, and I think those the
Speaker 1: most important things. Okay, so I have let's okay, So
Speaker 1: that's a perfect lead in. I need to write all
Speaker 1: this down because honestly, Karamo, my my personal hygiene products
Speaker 1: consist of toothpaste and a cologne, and honestly, that's literally
Speaker 1: my entire personal because he watches his body with a toothpaste.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about So for me, Karama, I could
Speaker 1: not have less personal hygiene products than anyone you've ever met.
Speaker 1: So right now I'm looking at at your products, Mantle.
Speaker 1: We have Mantle products here. We have the cleanser, the
Speaker 1: face and scalp cleanser. I have the age defense moisturizer
Speaker 1: from my face, and I have the invisible daily SPF thirty,
Speaker 1: the sunscreen that you were talking about. Yeah, I also
Speaker 1: have the the no No shine sheets here, which I'm
Speaker 1: just opening right now. So can you tell me a
Speaker 1: little bit about these because I'm actually gonna make this
Speaker 1: like part of my mission. Gave is just like naturally beautiful.
Speaker 1: He's not like me, like my face has been a
Speaker 1: little bit. So I need to take a little more
Speaker 1: care of myself. So how do I dig into this?
Speaker 1: What am I starting with the cleanser every day? The
Speaker 1: reason I did, the reason I created this way is
Speaker 1: because I get overwhelmed, like most men, by way too
Speaker 1: many beauty products. I mean, most of the time in
Speaker 1: our culture, women have been inundated since they were younger
Speaker 1: and more able to explore and be curious. But for men,
Speaker 1: we didn't have that option, so I get very nervous.
Speaker 1: So I created this kit so that it's all you need.
Speaker 1: So in the shower, you put the cleanser on your
Speaker 1: face neck and it's going to get off all those pumps.
Speaker 1: The dirt help you to make sure you don't have acne.
Speaker 1: And if you are thinning or balding, you can put
Speaker 1: in your scalp as well. And if you do have hair,
Speaker 1: even if you mix it up with shampoo, is not
Speaker 1: gonna mess it up. Then you have the shower, you
Speaker 1: put on the moisturizer, because the moisturizing what's going to
Speaker 1: keep your skin tight and people looking young, people looking great.
Speaker 1: And then the most important thing is the SPF. But
Speaker 1: SPF is really hard for people to put on because
Speaker 1: most sps I think of them, are white and you
Speaker 1: don't have that weird beachy smell. And so I made
Speaker 1: this one clear and so that way you can put
Speaker 1: it on your face and it won't get stuck in
Speaker 1: your beard or on the hair on your head, and
Speaker 1: it's like really silky and smooth. It won't make money,
Speaker 1: like if you try it, try it out. If you
Speaker 1: have it, put that up on your hand and see
Speaker 1: how silky and smooth it is. Okay, So my question
Speaker 1: here is it says daily SPF. I put this on
Speaker 1: every single day, like I'm I go out the house,
Speaker 1: I'm putting this on, or only on like sunny days. Nope,
Speaker 1: you see this is the thing. The thing that's No,
Speaker 1: that's a really good question, because the thing is that
Speaker 1: people think that SPF means that you're at the beach
Speaker 1: or you're like in direct sunlight. Um U V rays
Speaker 1: are always hitting you. So if you're at work and
Speaker 1: there's a window, you're getting sun damage, and so you
Speaker 1: should have it on every single day. If you're walking
Speaker 1: down the street, you're getting sun damage, and so having
Speaker 1: on a sun protector is going to help you at
Speaker 1: all times. But the way that we designed it is
Speaker 1: that after you put on the moisturizer, you can put
Speaker 1: this on and it's gonna be just as easy. All
Speaker 1: you need is one or two pumps and it will
Speaker 1: cover your entire face and scop with meybe karma. We
Speaker 1: just put this on our hand and I've actually never
Speaker 1: seen SPF look like this before. It's there and it's
Speaker 1: a good GELPF is a great idea, honestly, because thank you,
Speaker 1: Like you just said, I have tried to put on
Speaker 1: sunscreen because I do have a darker complexion and sometimes
Speaker 1: you do get like that purply white overcast. I don't
Speaker 1: know what it is. Yeah, no, yeah, I know exactly
Speaker 1: talking about Yeah, it's it's weird looking and and that's
Speaker 1: what deters a lot of people from putting on sunscreen.
Speaker 1: And then they as they get older, they found out
Speaker 1: that they have sun damage, they could have skin cancer,
Speaker 1: There's a lot of things that come with it. So
Speaker 1: I want to make sure that while we're working on
Speaker 1: this that we're getting something that was going to be easy,
Speaker 1: nice to put on. Um it's not going to leave
Speaker 1: any weird streaks, but it's going to be accessible. You
Speaker 1: can put it on for men, thank you. And for
Speaker 1: men you know you can. Just it's an easy three
Speaker 1: point kit because these are things you need. That was
Speaker 1: that was my next point exactly. I think part of
Speaker 1: the reason I don't have a lot of like beauty
Speaker 1: products or whatever is just I think it's overwhelming for me.
Speaker 1: And this is very easy. Use the cleanser, the face
Speaker 1: and scalp cleanser in the shower, very easy. Then when
Speaker 1: you get out, put a little age defense moisturized around
Speaker 1: my face and then put the daily invisible SPF and
Speaker 1: you're good to go. And I'm good to go. That's
Speaker 1: actually very easy. I don't think, Yeah, I applaud you
Speaker 1: for that because I've I've really resisted this entire space
Speaker 1: just because I'm like overwhelmed. I don't want to have
Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff I need to carry all the
Speaker 1: time or get reliant on something. But for sure my
Speaker 1: mud could use a little what what are you going
Speaker 1: to come out with a bubble bath product that makes
Speaker 1: men look rugged in the bubble bath? Yeah? Man, I
Speaker 1: want to look tough in the bubble album cover. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean that we're adding that to the line.
Speaker 1: As long as you agree to be our first model. Done, done,
Speaker 1: done and done. Can I want to get your take
Speaker 1: on this tasta. Is a is an ungroomed kind of
Speaker 1: wild looking man attractive? Or is it? Are you like
Speaker 1: really drawn to like a well groomed, put together man.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's really about the confidence and that's
Speaker 1: the key thing. We I did a focus group with
Speaker 1: a bunch of women and I asked them about some
Speaker 1: of these things, about like if a man was balding
Speaker 1: or beat full head of hair, how important to do you?
Speaker 1: Was that? And majority of the time when I talked
Speaker 1: to women, it was about is he kind? Is he funny?
Speaker 1: Is he going to support me? Is he going to
Speaker 1: be financially stable? Is he gonna help me in life?
Speaker 1: Are we gonna grow together, We're gonna travel? Hair or
Speaker 1: a lack of hair was the bottom of the list.
Speaker 1: And so it's all about can you if you are
Speaker 1: ungroomed as people would say, um, and you walk in
Speaker 1: the room confident, it doesn't matter. But what does matter
Speaker 1: is if you're taking care of yourself, and when you're
Speaker 1: taking care of yourself, you become more confident. And too
Speaker 1: long society and beauty products didn't say the men, it's
Speaker 1: okay to take care of yourself, it's okay to love yourself.
Speaker 1: I think I think I agree with you, But I
Speaker 1: think we left out two other ones that women like
Speaker 1: to say, does he already have kids? And what kind
Speaker 1: of car does you drive? Yeah? No, those are on
Speaker 1: the list as well. Those are actually on the list
Speaker 1: as well. I didn't hear the car one. I didn't
Speaker 1: hear that one. What do you think groomed or on
Speaker 1: groom what do you find like appealing attractive in a man?
Speaker 1: I think he's right with the whole confidence thing. If
Speaker 1: you're just scruffy and just because if you don't care
Speaker 1: and you really just don't have anything in your life
Speaker 1: put together, like it's kind of it's really unattractive actually,
Speaker 1: But if you kind of I don't know, if it's
Speaker 1: like your vibe and you do have scruffy hair and
Speaker 1: maybe some tattoos, just have like I don't know, I
Speaker 1: think it's at yeah, you feel the confidence. I'm there,
Speaker 1: but I also love a clean cut guy. So I
Speaker 1: will say this when when I see like somebody that's
Speaker 1: like well groomed and put together, like there's a talking
Speaker 1: about a man there or or a woman there's like
Speaker 1: a whoa this person? There's a presence there, like there's
Speaker 1: an initial presence. They're like, well they're they're showing up
Speaker 1: in a way that's with intent and and almost respect.
Speaker 1: You almost look at them like they're they're put together
Speaker 1: person there there you respect them? Well what what what
Speaker 1: what you're attracted to is their self esteem? Because when
Speaker 1: we all want somebody who loves themselves because in in
Speaker 1: in our subconscious mind, when someone loves themselves, it means
Speaker 1: that they could potentially love us. And that's the thing
Speaker 1: at the core of all being human beings is that
Speaker 1: we want And so we want to make sure that
Speaker 1: people understand that it's not about like certain products of
Speaker 1: certain things. But I want to encourage people to use
Speaker 1: mantle Men dot com, mant men dot com and use
Speaker 1: a products. It's about how can we get you to
Speaker 1: a place to love yourself because that's what's going to
Speaker 1: bring in all the things you want in life. I
Speaker 1: agree with that. That's amazing. Um, what about the guy
Speaker 1: asking for a friend slash myself that's trying to grow
Speaker 1: his beard longer but is in this really awkward phase
Speaker 1: where it's really curly, it sticks out, but he doesn't
Speaker 1: know magic and he wants to know what to tell
Speaker 1: his friends. Do you have any to mantle have any
Speaker 1: like beard oils or beard products. Yeah, we're gonna be
Speaker 1: coming out with some of those next. That's next on
Speaker 1: the line. Right now, I tell you, if your beard
Speaker 1: is ungroomed, I always suggest going to like magazines and
Speaker 1: finding a level or a lamp that's good for you.
Speaker 1: And it's secondly, if you have a partner doing the
Speaker 1: kiss test, the kiss test is really important because right
Speaker 1: the kiss tests would tell you if it's too hard,
Speaker 1: if it's too prickly, and if it's not gonna work.
Speaker 1: Kiss test party, you gotta do that. Tasha, do you
Speaker 1: like a guy with facial hair or no facial hair?
Speaker 1: I think I tend to guy with Excuse me, I
Speaker 1: tend to like guys with facial hair. Mhm. But also
Speaker 1: there's like that awkward phase where it's like a lot
Speaker 1: of stubble and like if you are kissing them and
Speaker 1: you like, okay, like Kevin Kevin's and then you get
Speaker 1: like you get like a rough patch because like they
Speaker 1: like stubbily. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, that that's
Speaker 1: why I said the kiss test. I'm telling you the
Speaker 1: kiss test works every time if you need you knowing
Speaker 1: if you're in the right level with your beard or not.
Speaker 1: What my stubble says, I'm off the market. Oyeah, That's
Speaker 1: what it says, is that right look for sexual For
Speaker 1: quite a long time, I look forward to that beard
Speaker 1: stuff and I'm going to try this out for the
Speaker 1: first time in my life. Carmel, I'm going to have
Speaker 1: like a beauty is that what it's called a beauty routine? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't self care. I don't call I call it
Speaker 1: a self care routine because like the word for me personally,
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm not gonna lie. I try to
Speaker 1: be better, but I still have these you know, what
Speaker 1: people call the toxic male behaviors or whatever that I
Speaker 1: subscribed to, and like it makes me uncomfortable to say
Speaker 1: beauty stuff. Sometimes I'm just gonna be honest with you,
Speaker 1: and you know, and so I like to be like,
Speaker 1: you know, my self care products, you know, like I
Speaker 1: feel good products is what I call them, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, because I don't really call myself beautiful ever,
Speaker 1: and so using beauty products is not something I'm accustomed to.
Speaker 1: But I do like to take care of my my
Speaker 1: self esteem and so good. So this is your self
Speaker 1: care every team. Yeah, and I think like even for
Speaker 1: men that that term for whatever reason, beauty products. It
Speaker 1: seems weird for me. But like self care or feel
Speaker 1: good products, Yeah, that seems normal. Yeah, that's this. This
Speaker 1: seems more normal. And you know, I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: say that the health you know, we're we should be
Speaker 1: able to say beauty, but I just don't subscribe to it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with it. How dare you the way
Speaker 1: you speak, sir? I mean, how would you you know what?
Speaker 1: Gavin though, I must say, gave you with your scarf
Speaker 1: today and your jacket like that is beautiful. No, I'm
Speaker 1: mad admiring, like when you're locked in. Amy was just like,
Speaker 1: oh god, he looks great, layered. Lay I know, Karma.
Speaker 1: I have one more question for you. Yeah. Um, so
Speaker 1: as Brooks talked about the fact that he doesn't really
Speaker 1: have much of a skincare routine or self care routine,
Speaker 1: being that we are traveling, Um, what is the one
Speaker 1: item that you always travel with or that you can
Speaker 1: suggest for a guy, like if he's just running out
Speaker 1: the door and he needs to grab at least one
Speaker 1: thing for your into line, Like, what is the one
Speaker 1: thing you have to have? Um, SPF definitely, because the
Speaker 1: SPF is also a moisturizer, so it doesn't have as
Speaker 1: much as the age defense in it as the moisturizer.
Speaker 1: But the thing is that most people don't realize that
Speaker 1: SPF is such a necessary tool and making sure your
Speaker 1: skin looks good because the out once you go outside,
Speaker 1: it damages your skin so much. And that's why you
Speaker 1: see people who are thirty that look way older forty,
Speaker 1: and people who take care of themselves with like an SPF,
Speaker 1: their skin always looks younger, always looks softer. And so
Speaker 1: I would say grab that, um, as you're traveling, because
Speaker 1: that's the thing. And as you can see, I made
Speaker 1: all of our products the three ounces that it lasts
Speaker 1: for a while, but also you can travel with it,
Speaker 1: you can carry it on right. Yeah, really you got
Speaker 1: to make sure that anything. Um. Yeah, dude, this is
Speaker 1: awesome for the I'm gonna go at this question, Um,
Speaker 1: will I do you think that I will like see
Speaker 1: results from this or will I just feel results like
Speaker 1: in in seven if I go like seven to ten
Speaker 1: days of straight using it, will I will like my
Speaker 1: skin look better? Will like? What do you? What am I?
Speaker 1: Because I just don't want to feel like nothing's happening
Speaker 1: and then be like, well, I'm wasting my time if
Speaker 1: I don't see something like I just want to be prepared.
Speaker 1: So I will tell you that your skin is gonna
Speaker 1: start feeling softer. You know, I don't know how much
Speaker 1: sun damage you have or how often moisturized. So I
Speaker 1: don't want to say seven or ten days, because if
Speaker 1: you've never more scribbed before, it's gonna take a little
Speaker 1: bit more for your skin. The absorbiting start taking it.
Speaker 1: But as you saw when you put the sp up
Speaker 1: on your hands, what happens that your skin is automatically
Speaker 1: gonna feel softer if you put if you feel the
Speaker 1: space that you put that SPF on before, it already
Speaker 1: is gonna start feeling silkier and nicer. What's the point
Speaker 1: of it. So as you feel like your skin is
Speaker 1: feeling softer, that means your skin is healing. That means
Speaker 1: like the parts that were dry, they were cracked, they're
Speaker 1: starting to rebuild sell they're starting to get better, and
Speaker 1: that's how you're gonna your skin is getting healthier. I'm
Speaker 1: excited to try this. You know why. Another reason why
Speaker 1: I never tried like feel good products or something is
Speaker 1: I didn't want to become dependent on them. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but these are you want to become dependent on because
Speaker 1: the things these are necessary thing that you should It's
Speaker 1: like the same way you become dependent on your toothbrush
Speaker 1: because you want nice teeth, you want nice skin, So
Speaker 1: you know, easy breezy. Yeah, you've You've actually reframed this
Speaker 1: whole like self care for me. Do you have any
Speaker 1: moisture I'm yeah, I feel you. Do you have any
Speaker 1: moisturizer that will make my teeth look straight? Yea, he
Speaker 1: needs a lot of health care. Now, yeah, model for
Speaker 1: the bubble baths, so you can't do the self deprepending.
Speaker 1: I want to be before before photo. I need you
Speaker 1: coming in here with that self confidence that I know
Speaker 1: you have. Whats alright? Don I think Mantel comes out
Speaker 1: with a men's rugged bubble brugged bubble back and do
Speaker 1: a photo shoot and that's your album cover. That's it.
Speaker 1: You know what you need to do gonna be a
Speaker 1: bubble bath that looks like a plaid Lumberjack shirt. Yes,
Speaker 1: the bubbles come up looking like a plaid pattern. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make this just happen, Karama. We appreciate you coming on. Brother.
Speaker 1: Where can people find the Mantle products? And where can
Speaker 1: I get some more once I run out of these ones?
Speaker 1: So you can go to Mantel men dot com dot com,
Speaker 1: m A N T L Men M E N dot
Speaker 1: com And for you when you need some more, you
Speaker 1: just hit me brother, what about me? Yeah, both of
Speaker 1: you come on, Matt. And also the funny part is
Speaker 1: like my sisters have stolen all these products even that
Speaker 1: we've been marking into. Man, I was just Titia has
Speaker 1: already stolen my SPF on all the products. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: this is so you know, if you need something, I
Speaker 1: got you as well. Okay, perfect, Karama. We appreciate your brother.
Speaker 1: Thank you, and I gonna have to check out the show.
Speaker 1: I definitely need some more tips. So thank you. You
Speaker 1: are my guru for for self care. My friend appreciated
Speaker 1: my day. Well, Karama literally just changed my entire outlook
Speaker 1: on like self care. I'm actually gonna start self care.
Speaker 1: I'm like honestly shocked that you do not use any
Speaker 1: products like not even after like a game or anything
Speaker 1: like you never like cleanse your face like nothing. I
Speaker 1: never know. I honestly this was my belief. If I sweat,
Speaker 1: it's going to clean my pores and clean my skin
Speaker 1: and then as a shower, and I'm fine. I agree
Speaker 1: with that philosophy very basically, I've never I've never used
Speaker 1: like um like moisturizer, aged aged defense moisturizer, or like
Speaker 1: um baby oil, or like I've never put stuff on
Speaker 1: my skin to make my skin look or feel or
Speaker 1: anything a different way. And your wife's never like had
Speaker 1: like a little spot day at home with you. No, Okay,
Speaker 1: is it just me that makes a significant I'm sure.
Speaker 1: I'm sure she would. Like she's got like in our vanity,
Speaker 1: she's got her vanity, and I have my vanity and
Speaker 1: her products are filling up my vanity. But I have
Speaker 1: one drawer that has my toothpaste and like tweezers in
Speaker 1: it and like Q tips and stuff. Other than that,
Speaker 1: it's like all her drawers in my side as well. Wow,
Speaker 1: like your skin has never felt like dry or anything.
Speaker 1: I'm confused. I think this is what this is what
Speaker 1: I this is like. This is honestly been my mindset on,
Speaker 1: like skincare, Like a thousand years ago, when people were alive,
Speaker 1: they didn't have skincare, so their skin just figured it out.
Speaker 1: They just skin was like, Okay, I just need to
Speaker 1: figure out how to be healthy. So that's all I wanted.
Speaker 1: I mean, I get it, but like you need to
Speaker 1: try this because I can't stop rubbing my hand. It's
Speaker 1: actually really really soft. This might change my life. I'm
Speaker 1: actually like excited to try. I wonder if I should
Speaker 1: put some moisturize around my dog's nose because it's the
Speaker 1: only part that isn't covered with hair, and maybe it
Speaker 1: would keep his nose from wrinkling as he gages age defension. Nose.
Speaker 1: That's it. What do you think? He's really cute? Isn't adorable?
Speaker 1: He's handsome. He is extremely single. Todd's single, My dog
Speaker 1: is single. What about grooming dog? What about grooming your dog?
Speaker 1: Do you groom your dog? Um, let's talk about that.
Speaker 1: I should groom him more. But I haven't brushed him
Speaker 1: in like almost two weeks, and he's really hairy. Like
Speaker 1: to apologize this hotel and all of you and you're
Speaker 1: washing machines because you're gonna have a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: all over you. He doesn't smell bad. Um. I try,
Speaker 1: And I actually probably would spend more time grooming my
Speaker 1: dog than grooming myself. I could brush coda. I would
Speaker 1: say like five out of seven days of the week.
Speaker 1: Is that true? You know? They say that's a really
Speaker 1: great bonding uh um thing to do with your with
Speaker 1: your dog. Really it seems like the adverse. He actually
Speaker 1: hates it. Yeah, they say it's like a really good
Speaker 1: good thing to do in your but you know you're
Speaker 1: stronger than I am, so you're probably like really hurting
Speaker 1: your dog. And then I brush his teeth too, but
Speaker 1: he hates the breast get yeah, just because you know
Speaker 1: they have these little dog ones they have like a
Speaker 1: they have a dog toothbrush, and then they also have
Speaker 1: a thing that just slides over your finger. Then you
Speaker 1: put the dog toothpaste on your finger and you get
Speaker 1: inside and just rub it around. And I just hate
Speaker 1: seeing like older dogs with bad teeth, and I just
Speaker 1: never want to. I just never want my boy to
Speaker 1: have bad teeth like that. So I need to. I
Speaker 1: need to take care of myself as well as I
Speaker 1: take care of my dog. Okay, I have a very
Speaker 1: important question for the entire table, something we have not
Speaker 1: yet fully discussed, and I want. I want yes or no?
Speaker 1: Tasia Adams, is bald sexy? Is bald sexy? Do you
Speaker 1: find a bald man sexy? Um? That's got to be
Speaker 1: a not. That's a no if you aren't already saying yes, yes,
Speaker 1: that's right. No, So okay, can a man? So maybe
Speaker 1: you don't find it sexy, but cann a bald man
Speaker 1: be sexy. T Yes, Like Karamo is a bald man
Speaker 1: and he's very sexy. Yeah, he's a handsome man. Yeah, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: Now he was bald and he was out of shape
Speaker 1: and he didn't have a beauty line. Would he be
Speaker 1: sexy if he was not successful? Oh my god, you're
Speaker 1: putting me on the spot because you're looking for a
Speaker 1: lot of criteria. That's actually a good point because he's
Speaker 1: a very put together, like attract of human beings. He's
Speaker 1: he's an entire package. Yes, who happens to be bald.
Speaker 1: That's right. He's also famous, which I think ups your
Speaker 1: hot quotient. It does what everybody knows that I just
Speaker 1: love you, that's true. It's like you see Ed Harris
Speaker 1: in a movie. You're like, yeah, but if he was
Speaker 1: just a regular civilian, I don't know, walking on the street.
Speaker 1: So okay, Amy, do you find bald man? So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna give you totally answer on this. I used to think,
Speaker 1: like I preferred like a real good head of hair,
Speaker 1: like Rick. He's not here, but Rick has an excellent
Speaker 1: head of hair. But then he turned out to be
Speaker 1: a total jerk. But he was super hot. This pretty
Speaker 1: much bald guy that I knew and there is he sucked,
Speaker 1: but he was super sexy. I mean, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to name names. I'm no Rick has hair, but I
Speaker 1: used to think I thought it was so sexy, like
Speaker 1: so beyond sexy. Was it maybe because you've never been
Speaker 1: with a bald guy? Maybe, Like I, I was like,
Speaker 1: he's so hot. He is so was was he? Did
Speaker 1: he own it? Yes? I think that's because he had
Speaker 1: beady Yeah. I was talking about this last night. She's like,
Speaker 1: let's go, let's go. We have that b d E
Speaker 1: and because we're gonna do Dean's podcast, help I suck
Speaker 1: at dating. And I was like I just heard that
Speaker 1: term like a week ago, and she goes, yeah, best
Speaker 1: day ever. I'm like, oh, I heard it differently, and
Speaker 1: I was like, no, I know what that means, because
Speaker 1: if somebody has b d E, then they can pull
Speaker 1: off anything. So like, I don't even think he had
Speaker 1: great fashion, and yet I loved it because he just
Speaker 1: had b d Like everything about this guy was just
Speaker 1: like you're so hot? Can you can you explain for
Speaker 1: our listeners who do not know this term what b
Speaker 1: d E is? You have to say all the words
Speaker 1: of it. You have to say all the words. It
Speaker 1: means big d energy, you have to say you have
Speaker 1: to say it. Oh, I cannot say that word on
Speaker 1: the radio. It means big dick energy. Yeah. And it's
Speaker 1: like like it doesn't mean you have a b D
Speaker 1: but it just means you carry yourself on it. You
Speaker 1: have swag. As Bieber would say, and Gavin said it
Speaker 1: about Karamo, he has smooth. Did you say he has
Speaker 1: smooth or he is smooth? I don't know. I probably
Speaker 1: said something like smooth. It's like smooth swag just confidence.
Speaker 1: Like how about e D E rectile dysfunction feeling that
Speaker 1: e D E ladies? Huh, let's spread that around all right?
Speaker 1: Do you think this? Do you think that um men
Speaker 1: can be sexy as a bald man or do you
Speaker 1: think that if, like if you lose your hair, do
Speaker 1: you think that you could still be sexy. I think
Speaker 1: that anybody can pull off anything, but just going by
Speaker 1: the numbers out like I pointed out before, I pointed
Speaker 1: out before, like who were the two biggest movie stars
Speaker 1: in the last probably thirty years as leading men. They
Speaker 1: were Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt. You know, both of
Speaker 1: them have perfect heads of Hair, Leonardo Gafrie, Tom Well,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying far as like heart throw bobs and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. I'm just going with with what what
Speaker 1: the numbers tend to say. You know, I have a
Speaker 1: few celebrities I'm gonna pull up you guys tell me
Speaker 1: if they have swag and sex appeal or not. Ll
Speaker 1: col J Yes, swag, Yes, swag then Diesel Oh, he
Speaker 1: is actually kind of hot, but it's not someone I
Speaker 1: would ever go after. It's a rugged thing. I think
Speaker 1: what you're pointing out more is there's more of a
Speaker 1: rugged thing and more of it's made up. Um, it's
Speaker 1: it's a it's it's a different thing because it more
Speaker 1: relies on uh being masculine less than necessarily the Rock.
Speaker 1: That's what I mean, like bad boy, bad boy vibes.
Speaker 1: That's just my my analysis of it. The Rock is
Speaker 1: very attractive too, but again I would never typically ever
Speaker 1: go in date. But the Rock is someone who I
Speaker 1: think actually looks better with the shaved head than he
Speaker 1: did with hair. I agree. I agree. You know who
Speaker 1: else you got, Tori Oh? That's it on my list.
Speaker 1: Bruce Willis Danielle just said, Bruce will Danielle do you
Speaker 1: find Bruce Willis to be sexy? This is producer Danielle,
Speaker 1: who has probably the best head of hair of anybody. Buddy,
Speaker 1: Bruce Willis not so much, but the Rock definitely right. Sure,
Speaker 1: so you have to have muscles. But if you're I
Speaker 1: do agree with Gavin. I think if like the man
Speaker 1: is super not athletic, but like masculine, then he could
Speaker 1: totally pull off bald head. Okay, so there's you guys.
Speaker 1: Have listed The Rock, You've listed Vin Diesel, You've listed
Speaker 1: L L Cool j as bald men who you find attractive,
Speaker 1: and those are all two hundred plus solid dudes, like
Speaker 1: strong asked dudes. And then you listed Bruce Willis, who's
Speaker 1: maybe like a buck fifty. I don't know what he'd weigh.
Speaker 1: And you're like, no, not sexy, sexy, amy sexy? Yeah,
Speaker 1: because they're so young. I'm old, So Bruce is hot.
Speaker 1: They don't know Bruce is like their grandpa. Have you
Speaker 1: ever met Bruce in real life? And was he in
Speaker 1: real life sexy? Did you get loose to Bruce? I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: he does. That's my little input. It's so interesting. I mean,
Speaker 1: what about you do you find bald guys? Attractive. I
Speaker 1: think a bald guy absolutely can be attractive. Name one
Speaker 1: like like any any like any basketball player, most basketball players,
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, how okay? There there that? Yeah, extremely
Speaker 1: attractive dudes. Michael Jordan is very attractive, very attractive. What's up?
Speaker 1: Can I flip the script a little bit? So? How
Speaker 1: about you know? How do guys view women with short hair?
Speaker 1: Or like a boy? How do we how do we
Speaker 1: view bald women? How do you view Gavin? Have you
Speaker 1: ever dated a woman with short hair? Yeah? Did you
Speaker 1: like it? Sho on? Did you like her hair as
Speaker 1: fine as hell? You know? So? Did you like her hair? Listen?
Speaker 1: When they're hot, they're hot, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: When they're not, they're not. You know that song sold school.
Speaker 1: But but you know, that's all there is to it.
Speaker 1: You know, they're they're they're when they're hot, they're hot,
Speaker 1: you know. And I don't don't I see. I don't
Speaker 1: see the make over. I see what's the genetic makeup?
Speaker 1: So you know, a lot of people talk about how
Speaker 1: they put their makeup on and stuff like that, and
Speaker 1: their hair do and all that kind of stuff. I
Speaker 1: see gene pool more than I see the makeover. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I see the cheek bones and
Speaker 1: the lips, and the neck and the neckline, and and
Speaker 1: that their natural with their body. It's fundamentally is um.
Speaker 1: That's what I see. Um. Whereas a lot more people
Speaker 1: see see if they're put together and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: I look at that in a different way because say, okay,
Speaker 1: they're on their way to the laundry, matter not. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Yes, I just see something totally
Speaker 1: totally different. And to be totally totally honest with you,
Speaker 1: if I see someone who's put together, over the top
Speaker 1: put together, you know what I see, I see a
Speaker 1: lot of work. I see. I see something that's just
Speaker 1: too much a little too much work for me to
Speaker 1: be around. And it's something that's I just slicking at
Speaker 1: a car or a yacht that cannot be maintained. And um,
Speaker 1: so so I look at I look at very different
Speaker 1: things I think than some people look at. You know,
Speaker 1: I want I'd rather them be wearing a you know,
Speaker 1: a pair of sweatpants and like not doing their hair,
Speaker 1: and if they look good like that, that's hot to me,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, make up, no, nothing, not
Speaker 1: trying at all, and the presence man and like that
Speaker 1: thing whatever that is, and when when you make eye
Speaker 1: contact that's hot and and uh it's it's the inexplicable stuff.
Speaker 1: It's not all just how they're put together. The hair
Speaker 1: do doesn't really mean mean much. Have you ever had
Speaker 1: short hairtation? I did cut it short at one point,
Speaker 1: shorter than higher than your shoulders. It was like shoulder link. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: it was my Actually, yeah, the person I was dating
Speaker 1: at the time wanted me to have short hair and
Speaker 1: my I had always wanted to try it out, and
Speaker 1: so I just did it one day and it didn't
Speaker 1: feel as good. I actually loved it. But it's a
Speaker 1: lot of work short hairst I actually have curly hair.
Speaker 1: So it's like if you have curly hair and then
Speaker 1: you have a short haircut, like I'm so sorry, but
Speaker 1: you're about to look like like it's it's a lot
Speaker 1: of ways you need to blow your hair, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So there's just very you're dying laughing
Speaker 1: at me. There's complementary hairstyles. I see what you're saying.
Speaker 1: You here's a question for all you ladies. What is
Speaker 1: the female equivalent of B d E? What is the
Speaker 1: gav Is there is there a term? Is there? Like,
Speaker 1: is there a term of b D E for a woman?
Speaker 1: I don't think so because I just heard b d
Speaker 1: E last week. Literally, I guess if you had, like shimmy, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can self b c E big chest energy or
Speaker 1: b B big breast energy. You guys are so awkward
Speaker 1: right now. I don't think a part though. Isn't it
Speaker 1: like D bitch energy? I like that, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? But then people think, like, but that comes
Speaker 1: from a body part like the B D E. For
Speaker 1: the most part, you guys are saying, well, a guy
Speaker 1: cannot have a big D and still have that energy.
Speaker 1: Most of the time, that energy comes from having that
Speaker 1: body part, like that's why he's walking around with that
Speaker 1: because he knows. Yeah, ok So then I don't think
Speaker 1: we have an equivalent. Okay, when we'll think on this
Speaker 1: on the break and we'll get back to it, try
Speaker 1: and come up with the term. Okay, we're taking a break. Okay,
Speaker 1: now we're going to talk about men's fashion, and we
Speaker 1: need a specialist. I need a specialist for this. So
Speaker 1: we have on the line with us Mr Brad Garretsky. Brad,
Speaker 1: what's up buddy. Hey, how's it going. Thanks for saying
Speaker 1: my last name right. Yeah, my man, Man, it's been
Speaker 1: too long since I've seen you. The first time you
Speaker 1: and I met was on Beca Antanya's show, the I
Speaker 1: Heart Radio podcast. Uh, Scrubbing Scrubbing in. That was the
Speaker 1: first time you and I met. We had a fantastic time.
Speaker 1: Nick was there. Nick Vile was there. He was on
Speaker 1: the mant remember the mantel, the Man of course, and
Speaker 1: you were so fun man, and you were talking about style.
Speaker 1: He was put together like Brad when he shows up.
Speaker 1: Brad shows up and I walked in and like shorts
Speaker 1: and sandals and a T shirt. And I looked at
Speaker 1: Brad and I'm like, I'm in the wrong room. So
Speaker 1: you yeah, Brad. So you we're gonna get your take.
Speaker 1: You are. You got your starting the industry by interning
Speaker 1: in the New York offices of Vogue and w magazines.
Speaker 1: You were the co host of Fashion Police on e UM.
Speaker 1: You have all kinds of celebrity clients. Uh. And now
Speaker 1: you don't know this, but now you're my new fashion guy.
Speaker 1: So that was all right. That was like the in
Speaker 1: the contract and the small print of agreeing to come
Speaker 1: on the show that you had to be my personal
Speaker 1: guy anytime. You just let me know every every school
Speaker 1: year you need to lay out his clothes. So, Brad,
Speaker 1: here's a true story. A couple of minutes ago, I
Speaker 1: just asked Tasha, Tasha Adams, who's here with us? I
Speaker 1: asked Tasha, I said, who has better style? Gavin or me?
Speaker 1: And right away she looked at Gavin like sweet little
Speaker 1: smile and she says Gavin, and it broke my heart.
Speaker 1: She blew me kisses. I don't remember that part, but yeah,
Speaker 1: whatever I saw it, Brad, can you can you give us?
Speaker 1: Can you give me? Man? I'm sitting here in a
Speaker 1: pair of black jeans and a white T shirt. Can
Speaker 1: you give me like some tips on or any man listening?
Speaker 1: What is like most important? What's the low hanging fruit
Speaker 1: for a man to look to put together to be
Speaker 1: presented well fashion wise? Um? In today's modern world, Well,
Speaker 1: I think number one is most men don't wear their
Speaker 1: actual style, their actual size. Um. I think a lot
Speaker 1: of guys wear things that hang too far away from
Speaker 1: their body. And especially speaking when guys get dressed up
Speaker 1: and wear suits, Um, you know the shoulders of your
Speaker 1: suit jackets should line up with your actual shoulders, and
Speaker 1: then I think it's important to to you know, we
Speaker 1: have a lot of variety now, so you can get
Speaker 1: a slim cut, you can get you know, kind of
Speaker 1: like a regular fit suit. And I think, um, you know,
Speaker 1: taking the time, especially for those um events or or
Speaker 1: life occurrences where we are getting a little bit more
Speaker 1: dressed up, to take the time to get things tailored
Speaker 1: as well. I mean, you don't have to spend hundreds
Speaker 1: of dollars on it, but I always know on my jackets,
Speaker 1: I need the small of my lower back taken in
Speaker 1: so I get that like pulled in, so I get
Speaker 1: like that nice shape. Because there's really nothing I mean,
Speaker 1: aside from a guy in a T shirt and jeans
Speaker 1: looking good. There's on the opposite end of that spectrum.
Speaker 1: There's nothing better than a guy in a well tailored suit.
Speaker 1: So tailoring is number one for me. Um, I think
Speaker 1: also number two, like ath leisure is our friend. You know,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a trend I think for men and
Speaker 1: for women that has kind of allowed the people who
Speaker 1: are usually uh, you know, maybe like to be in
Speaker 1: their sweats a little bit more to actually look fashionable,
Speaker 1: So how do you do that? Like? Um, So, the
Speaker 1: ways that you can do it is by incorporating, you know,
Speaker 1: pops of color, whether you're adding in like a little
Speaker 1: bit of neon, maybe it's in your sneaker, or are
Speaker 1: you incorporating a little bit of print, or are you
Speaker 1: doing a full like gray sneaker, gray sweatshirt, great track
Speaker 1: pay kind of deal. So I think that there are
Speaker 1: are different ways that we can look still because comfort,
Speaker 1: comfort is key, right, Everybody wants to feel comfortable, So
Speaker 1: I think the key is to look comfortable but still
Speaker 1: kind of polished and like you put an effort at
Speaker 1: the same time. All valid points. And I agree with
Speaker 1: you on the suit thing. Um and also for anybody
Speaker 1: if you can't afford to because a custom suit is
Speaker 1: very expensive. You can't afford a custom suit. What he
Speaker 1: was saying with the tailored stuff is amazing. And once
Speaker 1: you've worn anything that's custom or is tailored, you never
Speaker 1: go back to wearing something that's boxy or not fitted
Speaker 1: for you. Right, Yeah, So I did I do that
Speaker 1: a lot with pants, Like I have to buy bigger
Speaker 1: pants because my legs and acid are big, but my
Speaker 1: waist is small and it comes from playing. We're aware
Speaker 1: Brooks are, so I have to get every time I
Speaker 1: see Brooks, I say, every time brook starcture the drum, Like, man,
Speaker 1: your astles huge in those pants and underrunk. It's those
Speaker 1: thick hockey legs, baby, it is. But I have to
Speaker 1: get the But then like my waist is too big,
Speaker 1: and so I always get the waist taken in on
Speaker 1: the pants. Um. But for men, maybe men there don't
Speaker 1: even know that that you can buy something that fits
Speaker 1: you right in this one area and you can have
Speaker 1: somebody for fifteen or twenty bucks just clean up this
Speaker 1: other area that makes the pants or the shirt of
Speaker 1: the jacket, as you said, looks so much better. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's another what's a tip for? Like what if I
Speaker 1: don't even know my style? Like what's my style? Where
Speaker 1: do I look? Where do I find? How do I
Speaker 1: even find a style for myself if I don't even
Speaker 1: know what I want to dress like? Well, I think
Speaker 1: this is like one of the great things is about
Speaker 1: social media, you know, before Instagram and Pinterest and all,
Speaker 1: you know, just being able to surf the web. We
Speaker 1: relied or I relied on fashion magazines like g Q
Speaker 1: and whatever. To tell me what was happening in fashion,
Speaker 1: and now we have it really at our fingertips. So
Speaker 1: every time we're scrolling through Instagram, and I do this myself,
Speaker 1: like if I see an outfit or even a sponsored
Speaker 1: post or a designer posting something or you know, a
Speaker 1: friend of mine, whatever, I'll just save it, you know,
Speaker 1: to my Instagram save photos and then go back through
Speaker 1: and be like, oh yeah, I like that. You know
Speaker 1: Shurepa hoodie. I'm going to order one of those on
Speaker 1: Amazon or you know, I like right. I think it's
Speaker 1: like we can create these mood boards now without like
Speaker 1: it's not it's part of our daily routine. We don't
Speaker 1: have to set out to know to you know, uh,
Speaker 1: sit down and do like a mood board for what
Speaker 1: Spring is going to be. Like I don't even do that.
Speaker 1: I just kind of like go off what I resonate
Speaker 1: with and then you know, I kind of like we
Speaker 1: can search for any product now, so right off of Instagram.
Speaker 1: So I think that, you know, social media is a
Speaker 1: great resource. So if you say, like, you know, say
Speaker 1: one of the guys who's fashioned you like, is like,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna throw Drake out there and you see
Speaker 1: he was wearing a camo hoodie like two days ago
Speaker 1: at the Nike show, Like you know, search for a
Speaker 1: camo hoodie and like order it and see if you
Speaker 1: like it, see if you wear it and if not.
Speaker 1: You know, most places will let you return things within
Speaker 1: thirty days and send it back in a box. So
Speaker 1: I think it's made it really. You know, fashion is
Speaker 1: very accessible, and I think we get to see so
Speaker 1: many images now that we should be using those as
Speaker 1: as little like starting points for ourselves. M I like question,
Speaker 1: if you can't afford a tailor, are there any products
Speaker 1: you can get that kind of allow you to like
Speaker 1: temporarily hold your pants in a certain place and things
Speaker 1: like that, like so that people can kind of do
Speaker 1: their own sort of customize work just to get through
Speaker 1: like the day or the event or if they don't
Speaker 1: have time to go to the tailor and things like that.
Speaker 1: Are the little products that they can pick up to
Speaker 1: sort of keep their pants looking like their hammed in
Speaker 1: a certain way and stuff like that, safety pins. That's it,
Speaker 1: and that totally when you know, I'm guilty of it too,
Speaker 1: Like when I'm styling clients, I don't necessarily think about
Speaker 1: you know, I haven't decided what I'm wearing to the
Speaker 1: Oscars on Sunday. At completely absolutely talk about the Oscars
Speaker 1: on Sunday, and I'm going to it. But it's um,
Speaker 1: you know, I've like safety pinned my pants and backseats
Speaker 1: of cabs. I've used double sided tape, um, you know.
Speaker 1: But I think I think for like big you know events,
Speaker 1: like if you're going to a wedding or for the
Speaker 1: holidays or a big family gathering. I also think not
Speaker 1: necessarily waiting until the last minute, Like I like to
Speaker 1: buy on sale as well. So I think like there
Speaker 1: are certain times of the year and you know, there
Speaker 1: are a lot of great websites that have you know,
Speaker 1: incredible products that discounted prices, and I think getting some
Speaker 1: things and I have like um suits and outfits in
Speaker 1: my closet that I just rewear because I know I've
Speaker 1: taken the time to have them tailored. And you know,
Speaker 1: it's easier as men to to kind of you know,
Speaker 1: just rewear your navy suit that you know that fits,
Speaker 1: or your pinstriped gray suit that you know that fits.
Speaker 1: So I think it's about building kind of a little
Speaker 1: bit of a very small wardrobe of basic things that
Speaker 1: will get you a long way and taking one trip
Speaker 1: to the tailor and saying like, hey, I've got these
Speaker 1: four jackets. I need these, you know, trimm like brought
Speaker 1: in a little bit or let out a little bit
Speaker 1: and then just storing them in your closet and when
Speaker 1: that thing comes up there, right there and ready for
Speaker 1: you to to wear. I was just gonna say this
Speaker 1: episode has been very informative, like I'm learning a lot
Speaker 1: of things, but I'm going to be taking a trip
Speaker 1: to the tailor this week. Oh good. Yeah. But also
Speaker 1: I have a question. So you obviously dress a lot
Speaker 1: of people and fashion is your thing, but are three
Speaker 1: male celebrities that these guys can kind of look forward?
Speaker 1: I don't know, like look at their fashion? Who art
Speaker 1: and like who had like nails it every time? Like
Speaker 1: you know, I think like currently this season, and someone
Speaker 1: who I think also wears things that you know, are aspirational.
Speaker 1: I think Brad Pitt when he's out and about, like
Speaker 1: his street style and then also his red carpet style.
Speaker 1: He just looks like the tailoring is really good, the
Speaker 1: fabrics look expensive. You know, He's very confident as well,
Speaker 1: so he just adds like that extra level of um,
Speaker 1: you know, confidence to all of his looks, but he's
Speaker 1: like you know, off his street style it is just
Speaker 1: like really cool. Um. So he's always somebody that I've
Speaker 1: admired for, like, you know, kind of decades now, and
Speaker 1: he he's probably number one, I think. Um. Also, like
Speaker 1: on the opposite end of that spectrum of somebody who
Speaker 1: can be a good marker, um for somebody who's doing
Speaker 1: different and something different in fashion is Timothy shallow May.
Speaker 1: I mean he's really really young, and he's you know,
Speaker 1: I think that what he does on the red carpet,
Speaker 1: and again also his style is it's very individually him.
Speaker 1: So that really like and he's young too, and I
Speaker 1: think sometimes I think what's really great about the younger
Speaker 1: generation of male movie stars or actors, especially as they're
Speaker 1: not afraid to do new things like that also makes
Speaker 1: me think of like a Chadwick Boseman or like a
Speaker 1: Michael b. Jordan's, Like these are guys who you know
Speaker 1: are their superheroes. They're like, um, you know these big
Speaker 1: guys who where like Gibonshi could tour like beat a jacket,
Speaker 1: but then in their street style, you know, they're doing
Speaker 1: like the cool thing with the sneakers and the sweats
Speaker 1: and the leather jackets. So I I look for like variety,
Speaker 1: and then I also look for those public moments where
Speaker 1: they're also pushing the boundary and not just putting on
Speaker 1: like a black tuch seed up. You know what it
Speaker 1: is listening to you talk Brad and just thinking about
Speaker 1: like why do I not invest in fashion? Not much? Um,
Speaker 1: we invest our time and energy and things that we
Speaker 1: where we get self expression, right like like a like
Speaker 1: Gavin does music, so he has his time and energy
Speaker 1: and music and that's where he feels self expressed. I've
Speaker 1: never looked at clothes for myself or fashion as a
Speaker 1: form of self expression and art. So that so clothes
Speaker 1: were just like I need to put on something that's comfortable, warm,
Speaker 1: and I can I can um just suffice in the
Speaker 1: room that Yeah, I'm going to suffice in the room
Speaker 1: that I'm going to be in. Do I need to
Speaker 1: dress up? Do I need to dress down? Whatever? It's
Speaker 1: fine for that room. But I've never looked at taking
Speaker 1: the time just what you were saying, taking time to
Speaker 1: like look at, Okay, I have this event or something
Speaker 1: coming up, and I want something that's actually gonna resemble
Speaker 1: and express myself in a visual full with fashion. I've
Speaker 1: never perceived it like that. Brooks's a whole It's a
Speaker 1: whole new world now. But that's the that's the beauty.
Speaker 1: That's the great thing about you know, it's like being
Speaker 1: working in fashion and having you know, there's a whole.
Speaker 1: I got into it because I appreciated the art of
Speaker 1: it so much, and then the fantasy that the red
Speaker 1: carpet brings to our everyday lives was also the other
Speaker 1: reason why I got into it, because I wanted to
Speaker 1: be a part of making that fantasy for other people.
Speaker 1: And so, you know, I you don't have to go
Speaker 1: necessarily the root of wearing an you know, an all
Speaker 1: monochrome like pink suit like Timothy Shallow may might do.
Speaker 1: But maybe it's taking the idea of wearing a black
Speaker 1: tuxedo and doing like a deep forest green tuxedo jacket
Speaker 1: with a black pant, or a navy blue tuxedo jacket
Speaker 1: with a black pant, and like, you know, just doing those.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's wearing a patent leather shoe instead of like
Speaker 1: a leather shoe with it, Like I think there are
Speaker 1: ways for everybody to kind of be able to adapt
Speaker 1: and and step into, you know, the world of using
Speaker 1: fashion as self expression without you know, having to show
Speaker 1: up in you know, a neon suit like I would do.
Speaker 1: Can I ask you one other fashion question? Yeah, why
Speaker 1: does Gucci care so much if you have the box
Speaker 1: for the shoes if they don't fit good and you
Speaker 1: want to send them back? Because I know you know
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. This is such an in This
Speaker 1: is such an in question. Okay, So wait, so I
Speaker 1: don't have the box that costs you three dollars, but
Speaker 1: I do have the shoes that don't feel good. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: but where's the box? I'm like, don't you have an
Speaker 1: extra box? Do you just do a right here? This
Speaker 1: is so awesome? Um, well, I for example, I mean
Speaker 1: for example, yeah, I mean most most places, like I
Speaker 1: order most of my stuff online and they have like,
Speaker 1: you know, special tags on them. So if I removed
Speaker 1: the special tag, or even if I step on it
Speaker 1: while I'm trying it on, I have to keep it
Speaker 1: unless I want to fight with somebody on the phone.
Speaker 1: So it's basically like as my grandmother would say when
Speaker 1: we would go to auction houses when I was a
Speaker 1: little kid, she would say, um, you know, uh, don't
Speaker 1: be a bull in a china shop. If you break it,
Speaker 1: you If you break it, you buy it. So basically
Speaker 1: like Gucci is looking at it like you're not You're
Speaker 1: not returning the full experience. So they may have a
Speaker 1: box back there, but you need to hold onto the
Speaker 1: box in order to return something. What if? What if?
Speaker 1: Like I know, you know exactly, you know exactly what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Kevin, let me regreave this one for you.
Speaker 1: Let's say we're let's say we're back ten years ago
Speaker 1: and somebody buy is your c D and then they
Speaker 1: listen to it for a second and I don't like
Speaker 1: this music and I'm just gonna bring it back to you,
Speaker 1: but I left the case at home. But hey, here's
Speaker 1: your c D. I actually think you're I think you're
Speaker 1: actually still allowed to return it. But also who would
Speaker 1: return one of Gavin c D? Yeah, that was the
Speaker 1: wildest hypothetically there by, Dude. I appreciate you coming on
Speaker 1: with us. I want to learn more about you. You
Speaker 1: have a new podcast where we can hear more about this,
Speaker 1: right you, I sure do. It's called brad behavior and
Speaker 1: it's uh super fun we talk a lot of fashion.
Speaker 1: My husband comes on for a segment and answers questions.
Speaker 1: And I've had some really fun, great guests on, so
Speaker 1: you'll have to come on sometime. Yeah, hey, wait, wait,
Speaker 1: one more thing? Can we do? Like? Can we do
Speaker 1: like a style day where we go and we shoot
Speaker 1: a bit the group of us and you and you
Speaker 1: show us like this doesn't work for you? That works
Speaker 1: for you? Love? I would love the thing more. I'm
Speaker 1: so into it. It's a deal that would be amazing.
Speaker 1: And can you We're gonna find you Someci Okay, we're
Speaker 1: gonna find you Gucci shoes that you won't want to return.
Speaker 1: I wants it. I need. I need more fashion tips
Speaker 1: than anybody, Brad. So I'm gonna listen to brad behavior.
Speaker 1: And I'd love to do something with you and Gav
Speaker 1: and where you dress us both and um, because I
Speaker 1: know I desperately need it. So even it's not for
Speaker 1: the show, I need your help just in my personal
Speaker 1: life with with dressing because I basically shop at Lululemon
Speaker 1: is basically where I buy my anytime Brooks. Do you
Speaker 1: know where to find men? Yes, let's let's definitely do
Speaker 1: that video. Yeah, Okay, check out Brad's podcast, Brad Behavior
Speaker 1: and Brad, I love your brother. I can't wait to
Speaker 1: see your face soon right by. It's fun. Thanks guys.
Speaker 1: Well that was fun, dude. That was That was like
Speaker 1: the most educational episode that we've ever done. For myself,
Speaker 1: I learned how to groom and I'm going to get
Speaker 1: lessons from Brad on how to style and like to
Speaker 1: be new men. Yeah, Tasha, you'd be rocking. I'm excited
Speaker 1: to see her as this transformation. Yeah, we're gonna have
Speaker 1: to it before and after. Let's do it before and
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be doing a clothing check speaks. You
Speaker 1: guys look good. Okay, So Tasha is the judge then,
Speaker 1: so you'll come back Tashia for another show. Absolutely. Like
Speaker 1: I said, I learned a lot too, So this was
Speaker 1: very beneficial for myself. You were a wonderful, gracious co host. Oh,
Speaker 1: I thank you. We'd love to have you back again.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Where can our listeners find You're awesome? What
Speaker 1: where can our listeners find you? Where do you hang
Speaker 1: out the most? Instagram? You don't want all our listeners
Speaker 1: coming to your house? Exact address? Yeah, go find me
Speaker 1: on Instagram. My handle is t A Y s H
Speaker 1: I A A Oh love it right on. That's it
Speaker 1: for this episode. We love your feedback on this and
Speaker 1: also we need your help guys. So if anybody out
Speaker 1: there listening is a no stuff about grooming or fashion sprit,
Speaker 1: I'm desperate for your help. Gab, You're doing good, but
Speaker 1: I'm working on it today. I got lucky. Yeah you did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Guys. Listen. That's it for this episode.
Speaker 1: Till next week, take care of one another, love one another,
Speaker 1: and we'll see you back in Yeah,