1 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: Ron and Anian. You know it's funny you drive around 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: and you can drive. It's it's sort of very pleasurable 3 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 1: to drive, especially in New Jersey scenes that as the 4 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: roads are empty, so are empty of the people that 5 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,479 Speaker 1: don't have to use directionals, stop signs, and you know, 6 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: you get it. The car Doctor, Elon Musk still thinks 7 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: he's the guy, and maybe he is. He's got some 8 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: really cool ideas. He's a showman. You know, he's just 9 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 1: trying to stand out in high school. He's just trying 10 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: to be that quarterback that throws the touchdown every week, 11 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: four touchdowns a one game. Welcome to the radio home 12 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 1: of Ron and Anian, the Car Doctor, since this is 13 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: where car owners the world overturned to for their definitive 14 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: opinion on automotive repair. If your mechanics giving you a 15 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: busy signal, pick up the phone and call in. The 16 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: garage doors are open, but I am here to take 17 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: your call at eight five five five and now running. 18 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,919 Speaker 1: I guess we'll start here, Okay, start at the beginning. 19 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: That's always the best place you ever think that you 20 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 1: know what you're doing isn't the right thing for a living, 21 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 1: And you sort of wonder and scratch your head and 22 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: and well, you know what, I'm fortunate. I sort of 23 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: know I know what I know what I know, and 24 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: I know what I'm doing is right, and I can 25 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: prove it and it might even make you laugh. So 26 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: stick around for a minute. Had a Subru in the 27 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: shop this week and it was Subru weak at the shop. 28 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: It really was. I haven't figured out why, but there 29 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: was a ton of sub brus. You know, maybe their 30 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 1: marketing department is more on keel and everybody else's was 31 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: five six years ago, because it seems like at the 32 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: time everybody was buying subies and and you know, we're 33 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: starting to see more and more of them in the shop. 34 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: So this particular fifteen forester had about nine miles on 35 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:01,639 Speaker 1: it and the customer complaint was doing sixty five miles 36 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: an hour. Going into a slow, gentle turn, the steering 37 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: wheel would kind of do the hula but latah back 38 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 1: and forth right and we you know, took it out 39 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 1: road test, verified it yet, does it okay? Good? Bring 40 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: it back? Look the car over and the right lower 41 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: control arm, the front bushing on the control arm was smoked, 42 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: I mean gone, you know, it left and it just 43 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: gave no forwarding address. So at miles five years old, 44 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: it's five year old vehicle. You know you're gonna do 45 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: one bushing, you to do both pushings, You're gonna do 46 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: a control arm. Well, experience is always a great thing. 47 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: Experience has taught me on sub Ruse. When you're trying 48 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: to take apart the front suspension, that lower ball joins 49 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 1: a little bit per snickety and getting it out of 50 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: the control arm usually takes some some persuasion. Uh, you 51 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: know what persuasion is, right. It comes in the form 52 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: of maybe a three or five or a seven pound mallet, 53 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: and sometimes it comes in the form of the tanks 54 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 1: because you're gonna you're gonna tank it. You're gonna heat 55 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,959 Speaker 1: it up and use the hot wrench. So look, let's 56 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: do a control arm. Called up Subaru. They had it 57 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: and stocked you what a surprise, um, And they said, gee, 58 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: you know sometimes we just do bushings. I go yeah, 59 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: And then when do you sell the guy the ball joint? 60 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: Oh we can't get it apart. Good, I'm just gonna 61 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: tell him right up front he needs a ball joint 62 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 1: and two bushings and get this over with. So we 63 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: we we ordered the control arm, control arms on its way, 64 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: Danny pulls it in, we take it apart, we attempt 65 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: to take it apart. The ball joint on a Subaru 66 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: is pressed up into the into the hubb or knuckles 67 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: assembly and five years of North Jersey roads like anywhere 68 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: else in the rust Belt, even though I know we're not, 69 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: we're not really probably immersed in the rust Belt to 70 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: some other places I can think of, but it's it's 71 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: enough right New Jersey. You know, we have to put 72 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: down the roads and keep them clear because we're so 73 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: afraid we can't get out for a cup of coffee 74 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: with with with our four wheel drive, wall wheel drive, 75 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: automatic go anywhere vehicles. And it just corroded the heck 76 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: out of this ball joint. This ball joint was stuffed 77 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: into this hub. It didn't want to come out to 78 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: save its life. Here's the trick, all right, This is 79 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: why you know, This is why I do what I do. 80 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: I guess I you know. My wife says, you know 81 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: what you're good at what you do? You should you 82 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: should realize that, And she's right. I sat there and 83 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: I took the hot torch and heated the knuckle, but 84 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 1: just enough and naturally, the ball joint rubber boot melted. 85 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: There wasn't anything I can do about that. But the 86 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 1: CV boot for the drive axle was about a half 87 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 1: inch away. I was able to heat it slowly, let 88 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: it cool, heat it a little bit more, let it cool. 89 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 1: Walked it through a couple of hot and cold cycles. 90 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: Let it warm up, let it cool down, Let it 91 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 1: warm up, let it cool down. Shot a little p 92 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 1: B blaster on the last cold cycle up into the 93 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: portion where the ball joint was sitting in the bottom 94 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 1: of the knuckle, and waited, Oh, gave it, you know, 95 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: eight minutes, nine minutes, let it soak its way through. 96 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: Tapped around the hub with the hammer. Thing crazy, it's 97 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: just this little three pounder, and watched the p B 98 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: as it kind of came out and you know, oozed 99 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: itself out between the ball joint and the hub, and 100 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: then I knew and then I just, you know, I 101 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: just took the hammer and and it popped out. So 102 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: I told you that story because yeah, listen, I'm good 103 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: at it. I mean, that's that's what I'm supposed to 104 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: be able to do. Right, Forty three years fixing cars, 105 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 1: forty five years fixing cars, can't do Matt forty five 106 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 1: years fixing cars eight Yeah, whatever, I told you that 107 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: story to tell you this one. This is why you 108 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 1: know I should be a mechanic. I was working in 109 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: the shed this morning. I'm getting the garden ready, you know, 110 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 1: it's it's it's time, right, we're gonna start planting. And um, 111 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 1: I'm cleaning up the shed in the back of the 112 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: house and I picked up I never saw that snake before, Like, 113 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 1: holy smokes, I picked up this piece of plywood, and 114 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: this snake stood up and went right at me. Boy, 115 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: it's scared that but ge just out of me. Um, Um, 116 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 1: of course, you know, uh poor thing. I dropped the 117 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: board on it because it scared me so bad. I 118 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: dropped the board, I knocked it out and um I 119 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 1: was able to then pick it up with the end 120 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,559 Speaker 1: of a rake and it was, you know, the little 121 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: kind of limp. And I took it outside and let 122 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 1: it sit in the sun for about ten minutes and 123 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: then it's sort of, you know, woke up and I 124 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: must have knocked it that when I hit it with 125 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: the ply would when I dropped it when it scared me, 126 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: and it slithered away. My wife came out. She says, 127 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: what are you doing. I said, well, I'm trying to 128 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: be a farmer, but you know, um, uh, it's not 129 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: really working today, okay. And um, you know she I 130 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: told her the story, and she said, well, you see, 131 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: that's just God in the universe showing you that you 132 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: were a really good mechanic and that you're you're you're 133 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 1: an okay farmer, but you gotta learn how to deal 134 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: with snakes and mice, and um, if you get better 135 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 1: at it, then you'll be able to do it on 136 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: a continuous basis. And I said, you're right, honey. Um 137 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: what else would I think? Right? But the true story? 138 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 1: I and and then and then here here's the addendum 139 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: to that. Right, I'm cleaning up the ship before I 140 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: come into studio to get ready to do the show. 141 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: And that's when I found the mouse that the snake 142 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: was sitting there waiting to eat. Of course the mouse 143 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: was dead, and now so was that. Well, I'm not 144 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: sure what happened with the snakes. I took the mouse, 145 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: picked it up with a shovel through that off in 146 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: the distance, and uh, I'll get my I'll get my 147 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: loan equipment squared away. And we'll talk about maybe turning 148 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: that stuff up next week. But yeah, you know, I 149 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: can take a torch, I can put it within a 150 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: quiven inch of a rubber object, not melt the rubber object, 151 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: get the ball joint out that's rusted in. After five 152 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: years of North Jersey roads, I see a snake, I 153 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: fall to pieces. Just just just not my thing. Um, 154 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: I know what I'm doing is the right thing. I know. 155 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: I'm supposed to fix cars. That's what I do. And 156 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: if you're new to this radio show, that's what you're 157 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: here for. You're here to get your car fixed. And 158 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: zero I should point out you can call, leave a 159 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: message and Tom Rae, executive producer, will get you in 160 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: the queue for the next live broadcast. Last week, I 161 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: think it was last week, Linda from Florida called, and, um, 162 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: it was a suber It was a super U against 163 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: s a lot of suber Us. Remember she had SUBERU. 164 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: And she was having the problem where the car was 165 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: shutting down and the traction control and the electronic guy 166 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: and the crash avoidance system stopped working. And I gave 167 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: her some things to check and you know, some generalities 168 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: of what to look for and I didn't really, I 169 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: couldn't really get her to where I wanted her to 170 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: be because I just I just didn't have enough information 171 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: and I just needed to dwell on it. And she 172 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: was gonna call me back this week, and I haven't 173 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: heard from her, so I'm assuming the car is fixed. 174 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what happened. We were having Sunday 175 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: supper last week and my wife made turkey gravy and 176 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 1: mashed potatoes. It was just, you know, we're doing we're 177 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: doing that. You know, we're having Thanksgiving in May. And 178 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: the gravy steam to my glasses and I had to 179 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: take my glasses off to clean them. I I put 180 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: my glasses back on and I could see and I went, 181 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 1: Holy cow, my eyes are so much better now. I 182 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: can actually see what I'm doing. And it's just like 183 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: snapped into my head. I knew what was wrong with Lucy, Lucy, Linda. 184 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: I can't remember it was Lucy or Linda. Um, I 185 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 1: remember what was wrong with your car? The problem was? 186 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: And I sent her a note on Facebook and I said, 187 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,319 Speaker 1: by chance, because the car was never in an accident, 188 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: I said, by chance? Was the windshield ever replaced? She 189 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: writes me, back. It was at a stone chip, and 190 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: we replaced the windshield, but my husband didn't. I said, okay, 191 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,839 Speaker 1: was that was the car calibrated? Did you recalibrate the 192 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: Automated Automatic driver Assist System, the aid DOS? And she 193 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: said no. My husband said the car was running fine, 194 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: and even though he was told to do that, he 195 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: didn't want to spend the money. Guess what fixed the car. 196 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:57,199 Speaker 1: That's That's where I'm gonna leave it. We're gonna talk 197 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: about at a little bit later to down around the 198 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: bottom of the hour. We've got George Lesniaki is the 199 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: director of training for Autel, but he's also their national 200 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: trainer for a DOS, the system that went out of 201 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: calibration on that particular Subaru, and I thought we really 202 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: should talk about it a little bit because you need 203 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: to understand that so many finer points of cars today 204 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: are affected by little things. Incorrect length wiper blades will 205 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: cause the electronic eye or the crash of avoidance system 206 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:29,559 Speaker 1: to not operate properly, a windshield replacement or a windshield 207 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: not made to manufacture respect where the visions a little 208 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 1: blurry like my eye was from the steam from the gravy. 209 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: So all of this is going to come into play 210 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: in the car in the future that you're probably driving 211 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: right now, so you know, stick around. I want you 212 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:43,719 Speaker 1: to hear that we're gonna do that. And of course 213 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: we're gonna open the garage doors when I returned, So 214 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: let me pull over, take the pause. I'll be back 215 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: right after this. He drives that way. But when it 216 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: comes to fixing cars, Ron has car advice done right 217 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: eight five five zero nine zero zero. Here's Rod. Let's 218 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: get over and talk to Alex in Connecticut. Alex, Welcome 219 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: to the car doctor, sir. How can I help? Hello? 220 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: How are you today? Good? And how are you? What's 221 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: going on, Alex? I'm doing well. So I have a 222 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: two thousand nine Tacoma that needed new leaf spring. So 223 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: I did some research online. Found some aftermarket leaf springs 224 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,439 Speaker 1: that I wanted to go with, had decent reviews. Um 225 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: I went to go put them in and got the 226 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: old ones out and was hooking him up to where 227 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: the shackles connect to the frame there and there's a 228 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: decent amount of play in between where the bushing is 229 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: and shackle and then otherwise the leaf springs fit. They 230 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: fit lengthwise. So I called the manufacturer, and they basically 231 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: said they said they hadn't heard of that happening before, 232 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: but they suggested putting in washers on either side of 233 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: the pushing, And I was wondering if that was just 234 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: generally a good idea, or if it was safe to do, 235 00:11:55,960 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 1: or what you're telling me is the spring isn't as 236 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 1: wide as the shackle. Yeah, basically like the bushing on 237 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: the old bushings on the on the old leaf springs 238 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 1: are a little bit wider, and the steve ones are 239 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: a little bit right there, a little narrower. So so 240 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: what what where? Well, my concern is the up and 241 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: down movement. As the vehicle travels and moves up and down, 242 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: it's gonna be wearing on that washer. You're gonna have 243 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: direct metal to contact with the washer to the outside 244 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: of the shackle, so you're just gonna be grinding against 245 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: the steel. Now, at what point it's it's kind of 246 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:42,359 Speaker 1: a hokey way to do it, all right, it'll agree, 247 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: you know it'll work, but you know why, you know 248 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: it's I think the manufacturer is really obligated to give 249 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: you an explanation, something better than just shim it out 250 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: with a set of washers, And then you've got to 251 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 1: ask yourself. You're not the first guy to buy this 252 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: set of leaf spring is trying to put it on 253 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,959 Speaker 1: a O nine Tacoma. Why is yours different? Is there 254 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 1: something different about yours? Do you have? Do you have 255 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 1: the right factory shackle? You know? Are you the original 256 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: own or was the carbon an accident? You know, you 257 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: start to think through all that stuff in your head too. Um, 258 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 1: you know what what what made it so unique and different? 259 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: Did it happened that way to you? So you know 260 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: the only other thing you could do is have you 261 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: taken a picture of the original springs and the olds 262 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 1: and the new springs? So I want you take a 263 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: picture of the new spring the old spring, show it 264 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: to the manufacturer and say this is what I have, 265 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,959 Speaker 1: this is what you sold me, and you know, maybe 266 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: measure it. Can you measure the outside distance or with 267 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 1: of that, you know, bushing to bushing on old, bushing 268 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: to bushing on new, and how big of a difference 269 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: is it, because that's you know if yeah, we did 270 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: I did that when I was trying to get it 271 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: in and it's a it's a eve an amount probably 272 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: about that's a lot. You know that that's not enough 273 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: for the shackle to bend in. That's one thing that 274 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: we're I was hoping could happen, but wouldn't be able 275 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: to bend in that it's not supposed to have to 276 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: bend in, you know, um uh dopey question on my part. 277 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: The shackle isn't concave in one direction where you could 278 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: flip it around the other way, could you No? Okay? 279 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: So then if if, if you were going to have 280 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: to do this and make this work, what I would 281 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: what I would do is so that you don't have 282 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: the washer laying against the shackle, and you know, take 283 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: take your take your hands like two palms together and 284 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: just rotate them against each other. My fear is you're 285 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: gonna get that grinding action all the while the vehicles 286 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: running down the road. I would I would try and 287 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: build up the gap of the shackle, but you maybe 288 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: well to washer to the shackle, so now the washer 289 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: is pick solid to the shackle, and then it will 290 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: wear against the rubber bushing and you'd be restoring that 291 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: dimension back to the spec that the factory wanted it 292 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: to be. Okay, does that make sense in the Yeah? No, 293 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: it does. You know this way, this way, You're not 294 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: You're not You're not letting anything grind itself away. Just 295 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: you know, realize what you're doing is you're gonna you're 296 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: gonna ruin that factory shackle for any other spring. So 297 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: if you ever go to change that spring again in 298 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: the future, now you're gonna have to buy a set 299 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: of shackles as well. But I would I would call 300 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: them on it. I would really call on call on 301 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: the manufacturer and say, you know what's up. Yeah, I 302 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: went through that route and they basically thought I would 303 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: have to pay for shipping to send them back and 304 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: that's another hundred bucks out of my pocket. And then 305 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: so what what were there there? They were being a 306 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: little bit ablematic? What what brand was this? Alex General 307 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: Springs out of Kansas City. Huh okay, yeah, not a 308 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: national brand, not anything I've ever heard of. Um, you 309 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: could try. Unfortunately, there weren't many on their market options 310 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: that were stock options for They all had lift built 311 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: in what I could find everybody wanted unless I wanted 312 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: to go O M. And those are five spring where 313 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: I really didn't want to go down that. It's amazing 314 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: what leaf springs cost. It's really, it's really crazy. A 315 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: friend of mine's got an eighty six suburban big block 316 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: car and he put we put new leaf springs in it. 317 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: Formed two weeks ago. The set of leaf springs was 318 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: three and twenty dollars apiece. Crazy money, crazy month for 319 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: a thirty year old, forty year old vehicle with But 320 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, that's what happens. So that's what happens. 321 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: Do that though, you know, figure out your dimension and 322 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: you know, shim it. Okay, put it together, bolted together once, twice, 323 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: three times, whatever, get it to the point where it's 324 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: snug but not crushing the rubber, but just making contact. 325 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: And then just then just tack weld it to the 326 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: inside of the of the shackle. You'll have to do 327 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: the inside of the shackle, the outside of the shackle. 328 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: This this way the spring stays centered and you know, 329 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: you'll fix what their mistake was. That's yeah, that's a 330 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: good idea. Thank you, all right, you're very welcome, Alex. 331 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: You're very welcome. You take good care, Um, keep on going. Uh. 332 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 1: I don't like that when manufacturers do that. You know, 333 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,120 Speaker 1: we say that all the time, that they go through 334 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 1: the pain of making the part can't they make the part, 335 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 1: you know, they go to Nentile. Can't they go to 336 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 1: the you know, go go to go to ten more 337 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: and make it right. Um. You know, I just got 338 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: a fuel pump, a fuel like getting hard for the 339 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: Monte Carlo from a manufacturer, and they're getting hard to find. 340 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: I have a single line set up and so on 341 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 1: and so forth. And the angle of the sock leading 342 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: up to the sender. You know, there's like a fifteen 343 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: degree kick in it where there wasn't in the factory. 344 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: I don't even know if it's gonna work. I'm probably 345 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: gonna have to take it apart and bend it back 346 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 1: and you know make my own part, which is welcome 347 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 1: the hot rotting. So um, you know, just just part 348 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 1: of the deal. So Alex, you keep going, brother, and 349 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: to keep the faith. You'll figure it out and it's 350 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 1: a it's good experience. It's character building, as we like 351 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 1: to say. Hey, coming up next, George Lesniak, director of 352 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:11,640 Speaker 1: training for Hotel regarding AIDS systems. You've got a self 353 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: driving car, You've got a crash avoidance system. You want 354 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: to stick around and hear what George has to say. 355 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: I'm run eating the car doctor will be back right 356 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 1: after this. It was a week ago, oh, last Sunday, 357 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: and we were having family dinner and I was still 358 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: thinking about the previous day's show, because I guess my 359 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 1: mind is always working. And when I had to clear 360 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 1: my glasses and my eyes blinked, I knew what was 361 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: wrong with the super ru from Florida that had the 362 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 1: crash avoidance system problem. And sure enough, after talking with 363 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: a caller, I contacted her via Facebook. Um she assured 364 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 1: me that yes, the windshield had been replaced, and no, 365 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: the system was not recalibrated as the manufacturer recommended because 366 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 1: it seemed to be working. I can't explain it any 367 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 1: better than well, you know, and I wanted to explain this, 368 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 1: but I thought you might want to hear from an 369 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 1: industry expert on the subject. George Lesniaki used the director 370 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 1: of training for autel Um regarding AIDS, and George is 371 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: here to talk to us about it, and I thought 372 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:30,640 Speaker 1: you might like to hear it right from the top 373 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: of the trade. George, Welcome to the card docticer. Thanks 374 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 1: n Um. You've heard the story. You know, you kind 375 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 1: of know how you got here right. It was Turkey 376 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 1: and messhed potatoes and gravy that brought you to this 377 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: show today, exactly right, um tell tell everybody, let's start 378 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: at the top. What is ADA stand for? So ADS 379 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: is advanced driver Assistance systems. These are the the different 380 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 1: features and functions in a car that warned you when 381 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,199 Speaker 1: you're veering out of a lane, or when there's a 382 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: car on the side of you and you try to 383 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 1: change lanes, or that fancy cruise control that speeds up 384 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,919 Speaker 1: and slows down when cars cut in front of you. 385 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 1: So all of these assistance systems designed to help the 386 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: driver um pilot their vehicle more safely, but also make 387 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 1: driving more comfortable on especially on long trips. And this 388 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 1: is this is really not something completely new, right George. 389 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: This is in cars for the past four or five years. 390 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: Actually in the United States goes back to the year 391 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: two thousand UM. Back then it was only on some 392 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: very high end vehicles and they were costly options. But 393 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: ADAS has been around the United States for twenty years 394 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: now and even longer in Europe. So no, this isn't 395 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: brand new. Uh. It really hit the mainstream in the 396 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: US around and has been growing every year since then. 397 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,679 Speaker 1: And chances are quite a few of the listeners out 398 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 1: there today having AID system in their vehicle and they're 399 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:03,439 Speaker 1: not even aware of it exactly right. Things as simple 400 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: as a backup camera or the parking sensors that tell 401 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: you when you get too close to a car. Those 402 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: are some very basic forms of eight systems. So are 403 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: Subaru in Florida. She had the windshield replaced and then 404 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 1: the system every once in a while. Twice I believe 405 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: it happened to her where the vehicle went into limp mode. 406 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: Dashboard lights on ABS, traction controlled um, you know, loss 407 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 1: of UH steering and driver assist Electronic eye fault lights 408 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:39,479 Speaker 1: came on from from a recalibration because the windshield was replaced. George, 409 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: tell me, tell us why it's possible. Okay, that's that's 410 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,959 Speaker 1: actually a great question. And this is this is one 411 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: of the big issues that we're facing in the industry 412 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: on and not just with consumers but with repair shops 413 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: and everything in between, is a lack of awareness of 414 00:21:56,359 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: exactly what ADA systems are and how they work, and 415 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 1: how we, whether as drivers, vehicle owners, or as technicians 416 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 1: when we service these vehicles, how we are directly impacting 417 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,679 Speaker 1: the way these systems operate. So you look at the 418 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: system that Subaru has, they call it eyesight. It has 419 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 1: a stereo or two lens camera mounted behind the windshield, 420 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: and those cameras are watching everything that's happening in front 421 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 1: of the vehicle, watching the lane lines, watching for vehicles 422 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: and traffic, watching for pedestrians, and the software in the 423 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 1: vehicle uses that input coming in from the cameras to 424 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: make decisions, decisions like warning the driver when they're getting 425 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: too close to a lane line, or when they get 426 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 1: too close to a car in front of them and 427 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: they're not slowing down. It gives them a warning what's 428 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: called crash protection or forward collision warning. So in order 429 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 1: for these systems to function properly, two things need to occur. One, 430 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,439 Speaker 1: the camera in this case of the Subaru needs to 431 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 1: be able to see clearly. So something as simple as 432 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 1: dirt or bugs on the windshield could actually cause these 433 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 1: systems to malfunction, or objects on the dash that could 434 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: reflect into the windshield could cause the cameras to either 435 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: not work or work improperly. In the case of changing 436 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: a windshield. What happens is in the case of a 437 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: Subaru specifically, and I don't want to get too in 438 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: deep in depth. But the camera is actually mounted to 439 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: the the headliner in the vehicle, in the inside roof 440 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: of the vehicle. It's not mounted to the windshield, but 441 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 1: the windshield acts as a lens. Think of it as 442 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 1: going to an eye doctor and you're sitting down and 443 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 1: they asked you, as he flips the different samples, what's 444 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: better one or two, two or three? And you've got 445 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: to ask an answer the questions and you get an 446 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: impair of glasses at the end. While what happened to 447 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 1: the Subaru is we gave it a new pair of glasses, 448 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: but we never taught it to see through that new 449 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: lens the replacement windshield, so the camera still believes that 450 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 1: the original windshield is in place, and after a period 451 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 1: of time, it starts to say, wait a minute, I'm 452 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,400 Speaker 1: not seeing things properly, so it shuts down. And when 453 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 1: it shuts down, all of the associated systems that work together, 454 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: the lane departure warning, the lane keeping assists, adaptive cruise control, 455 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: forward collision warning, they all shut off and then you 456 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: get the warnings on the dash. So the way to 457 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: prevent that is after services like having a windshield replaced, 458 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: a calibration of that camera is necessary to teach the 459 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 1: camera one how to see through the new windshield, but 460 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: also in case the position of the camera has been 461 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 1: changed to re aim the camera so it can see 462 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,679 Speaker 1: the right spot further down the road. George, that explanation 463 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: was a work of art. Brother, I love the way 464 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: you didn't. Thank you, um. But there's also reasons beyond 465 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: just a windshield right. In cases of wheel alignment, AIDA 466 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: systems may require calibration to correct exactly. And this is 467 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: another area of lack of awareness. And again you can't 468 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 1: blame the consumer for not knowing because they weren't properly 469 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: instructed on the use of these systems when the car 470 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 1: was purchased, especially if they purchased the vehicle pre owned. 471 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 1: And you take a vehicle to a shop. You mentioned 472 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 1: wheel alignment. So wheel alignment changes the direction in which 473 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: the vehicle is driving. The cameras and the radar sensors 474 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 1: that are utilized by these advanced driver assistance systems are 475 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,719 Speaker 1: mounted on the vehicle, so they're pointing down the center 476 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: line of the vehicle. Well, if the wheels are adjusted. 477 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: If the vehicle gets a wheel alignment, the center line 478 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 1: and what's called the thrust angle, which is where the 479 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 1: vehicle is driving may no longer match. So after a 480 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: wheel alignment, the cameras or radars need to be recalibrated 481 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 1: to teach them or match them to the thrust angle 482 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: of the vehicle. Wow, so there's gonna be nothing simple anymore. Well, 483 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: there there's nothing simple anymore, right, George, when it comes 484 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: to so I'll tell you what the simplest things on 485 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: cars today. Our computer control there and and the basics 486 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: of what people are trying to achieve. So for the 487 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: person going for the cheap wheel alignment or just a 488 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 1: wheel alignment, and they've got an AIDA system in the car, 489 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 1: they're going to create their own problems. George, stay put, 490 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: We're gonna hold your for a second segment. I want 491 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: to talk to a little bit up about the equipment 492 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: required to do such a calibration and you know, is 493 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 1: it in the repair shop of the future's future, so 494 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: to speak. So you stay put on Ronanini and the 495 00:26:52,760 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 1: car doctor will be back right after this. Welcome back 496 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,400 Speaker 1: the car doctor. We're talking this hour with George Lesniaki's 497 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 1: the director of training for autell and we're subject to 498 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: matter today is AID does advanced driver assist systems? George, 499 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: you're still there, sir, Yes, I am so for a system, 500 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: and I have to admit I was thinking five six 501 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: years a DOS is out there, but you know, twenty 502 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,959 Speaker 1: you're probably you're right, Not that you're probably right, you're 503 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 1: right because I'm thinking about the higher end European cars 504 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 1: that have had it for longer than that. You know, 505 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: you would thinking a does calibration by a repair shop 506 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 1: should be a commonplace thing today, But I have a 507 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 1: feeling you're gonna tell us that it's not. And you know, 508 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: how does the repair shop get around it now? Because 509 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: surely they're gonna do wheel alignments. They may not all 510 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 1: do windshield replacements, but they're gonna do wheel alignments. They're 511 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 1: gonna have systems that have failures, components are gonna go bad. 512 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,439 Speaker 1: You know they're gonna change censors. What do they do 513 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: for calibrations? Well, I mean to answer the first part 514 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 1: of your question. You're right, a vast majority of general 515 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: repair shops out there are not currently performing at US calibrations. 516 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: And it's not just wheel alignments. It could be a 517 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,439 Speaker 1: change entire size, change in right height you put new 518 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 1: springs or something on a vehicle. Many vehicles today, if 519 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: you change in air conditioning condenser or a radiator, do 520 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 1: you have to take the front bumper cover off. That 521 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: means a radar sensor may have to be calibrated. Even 522 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: the most minor collisions that require any touch of paint 523 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: on a bumper may require a calibration. So again it 524 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: comes down to a lack of awareness. Um. Unfortunately, to 525 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: this point, shops have been getting away with doing things 526 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,959 Speaker 1: like wheel alignments and not calibrating. But because aid US 527 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: has become such a hot topic over the past four 528 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: or five years, there is now a new focus on 529 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: liability for repair shops. So if something Heaven forbid should 530 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: happen a shop performs, Let's say it's a wheel alignment, 531 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: they returned the vehicle to the consumer. Consumer takes the 532 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,479 Speaker 1: car out, later gets into a collision and someone's injured. 533 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: That can come all the way back to the repair shop. 534 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: Why didn't they properly calibrate it? Um So, I know 535 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: some shops think that they'll just tell the customers sign 536 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 1: a waiver. Waivers don't work. It's one thing for for 537 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: a shop to have a owner of a vehicle signed 538 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: away their rights, But you can't sign away the rights 539 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: to a person in another vehicle or a passenger in 540 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: the other vehicle that gets injured. Well, and then you know, George, 541 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: the judge is going to sit there and say, you're 542 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 1: the professional, you should know better than signing a waiver. 543 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: You should repair the vehicle properly. You are exactly right now, 544 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: That's exactly what it comes down to. So for shops today, 545 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: because every vehicle manufacturer has their own method for performing 546 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: calibrations on their AIDA systems. That means for all the 547 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: different manufacturers you have all different kinds of camera targets, 548 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: all different forms of radar calibration, all different formed forms 549 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,719 Speaker 1: of you know, the three and sixties surround view calibration. 550 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 1: So for shops there's quite an investment and purchasing the 551 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: equipment and the computerized scan tools for performing calibrations, plus 552 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: all the targets and accessories. It's you know, it's not 553 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 1: a small dollar amount to be able to get into 554 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: this business. But but if it's this is the future, 555 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: this is something the shop has to look at and say, hey, 556 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: if I'm gonna be here in ten years, this is 557 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: the place to invest money because I imagine just the 558 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 1: work from a body shop alone, never mind the wheel alignments, 559 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: the censors, the component failures, uh, you know alone, that's 560 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: going to be uh, you know, very lucrative going forward 561 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: because so many cars are gonna have this. I thought 562 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: I read somewhere and we're gonna wrap it up in 563 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: about a minute and a half. George, Um that within 564 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: the next two years there won't be a vehicle without 565 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: a DOS. Is that true? Did I read that correctly? 566 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: That's true. In September, automatic emergency braking is going to 567 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 1: be mandated by the federal government, So every vehicle, you know, 568 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: model year and newer is going to be equipped with 569 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: a US. George, We're gonna get you back. We have 570 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: to we have to talk some more. Um. I'd love 571 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: to do maybe we shoot a video one day. I'll 572 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: come out to Long Island. We'll shoot a video or something. 573 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: I'd love to do something where we could show the listeners. Hey, 574 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: here's an ADUs calibration using the UTEL equipment. Because you 575 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: guys are top of the field and I think they 576 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 1: would love to see that. So we should try to 577 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 1: get together for that. If the listeners want more information 578 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: in the meantime, what's the website again, uhtel dot com 579 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: A U T e A U exactly A U T 580 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: EO dot com. George, I appreciate it. You were great, baby. 581 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: All right, we'll be in touch. Thank you. You're very welcome, sir. 582 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: You take good care. Ron and Ating the car doctor 583 00:31:55,800 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: will be back right after this. Once again, I want 584 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: to thank George Lesniak taking the time today from Martel 585 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: to join us and explain about a DOS systems. And 586 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: I thought to close out the hour today, what better 587 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 1: than a real fix, sure track repair of the week 588 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: from the folks over at Mitchell One talking about a 589 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,479 Speaker 1: problem with an a DOS system. Park assist systems come 590 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: in many variations. The article starts out there part of 591 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,479 Speaker 1: what is now known as a DOS Advanced Driver Assist Systems. 592 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: I learned something too, by the way, after I always 593 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: thought it was automated driver assist system So everybody, you 594 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: can learn something at every age and every day of 595 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: the week. Park assist systems, the article continues, rely on 596 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 1: various sensors to help you avoid objects while parking your car. 597 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 1: So all those park sensors that you've got that you're 598 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: all excited to have the bee pee peep and warn 599 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 1: you when you're near the garage or the garbage cans 600 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: with the car on the other lane. That's a DOS. 601 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: It's as simple as that. This particular car was a 602 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: two thousand seven BMW five thirty x I. I'm sure 603 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 1: there's a few computers on this thing. It had a 604 00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 1: trouble code nine E thirty nine describing a FAULTI park 605 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: assist sensor. The description is nine nine lines front center 606 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 1: left ultrasonic sensor when the vehicle was in reverse. The 607 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 1: technician looked at life scan tool data and saw the 608 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 1: park assist censored data was erratic. Now everybody's gonna think, well, BMW, 609 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 1: this has got to be a real high tech fix. 610 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, what are we gonna do? In reality, 611 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: it's still just basically a car. They looked at the 612 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: wiring harness and the connector. They saw no obvious fault 613 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: ignition on engine off. They used the vaultmeter. They looked 614 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 1: and they had voltmeter, They had power and ground at 615 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 1: the censor itself, and then when they looked, they saw 616 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: a damage to the censor. Turns out the vehicle owner 617 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: had backed into something. I guess they didn't really pay 618 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: attention to their parkasis sensor and caused physical damage that 619 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 1: wasn't really visible to the naked eye until you pop 620 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: the censor out of the bumper and you know they 621 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 1: put a new sensor in it. They did do an 622 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 1: a does calibration and continue and the system they cleared 623 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: the codes and the vehicle is repaired and it's down 624 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: the road once again. UM. Good article. I thought it 625 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,439 Speaker 1: was very timely regarding our our conversation with George this hour. 626 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,839 Speaker 1: You can find more real fixed sure sure track repairs 627 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 1: just like this from the folks at Mitchell one. At 628 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: mitchell one dot com. They've got a list of them, 629 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 1: they've got a library and the they're good things to 630 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,320 Speaker 1: read and be aware of. But the bigger story here 631 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,839 Speaker 1: is with regard to AID does Okay, you don't think 632 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: your car has it, but it does, and you've got 633 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 1: to realize. And one of the things I wanted to 634 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: mention to George, but I'll say it to you. Think 635 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 1: about it. That camera that's in the rear view mirror 636 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 1: area looking out at the road ahead. What happens when 637 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 1: you put a wiper blade on that's just a smidge 638 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 1: too long and Now, every time you turn the wipers 639 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,439 Speaker 1: on the vehicle, the camera's gonna get confused. It's gonna 640 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 1: see this blink, it's gonna see a wipe right in 641 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: front of its eye, and then you're gonna wonder, and 642 00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 1: then you're gonna take it to the mechanic and it 643 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,360 Speaker 1: won't be raining that day. And the list of mechanic 644 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,919 Speaker 1: is sharp enough to start to look at everything. There's 645 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of problems and uh opportunity for failure. 646 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:10,840 Speaker 1: So we want to prevent that, and that's why we 647 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: want to get the word out about a DOS. Thanks 648 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 1: for joining me this hour. It's been an absolute pleasure 649 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 1: until the next time I'm running any in the car 650 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,759 Speaker 1: doctor reminding you good mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless.