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Speaker 1: Who do you who? This is a quick announcement to

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Speaker 1: no podcasting allowed this summer and fall.

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Speaker 2: It's called Sam and George stand Up Tour. It rhymes

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Speaker 2: kind of. And we're going to Chicago, Philly, DC, Boston, Toronto,

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Speaker 2: But folks come see us split an hour stand up

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Speaker 2: and we're so excited to see you.

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Speaker 2: are listening to Stradio lab bi coastally of course. This time.

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Speaker 1: This is the first main feed episode where we are

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Speaker 1: recording us two married.

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Speaker 2: Men, two married men. We went Buddha Judge mode. We

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Speaker 2: are we have done Buddha Judge mode for good. Our

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Speaker 2: Edge is found dead in.

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Speaker 1: A dich is over. We are political centrists and we

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Speaker 1: are ready to make moderate change very slowly over the

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Speaker 1: next sixty five years. We don't like this new generation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we think what they're doing it's all backwards. What

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Speaker 2: they're up to all backwards. Whatever happened to tradition, whatever

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Speaker 2: happened to you know, respecting each other.

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Speaker 1: This podcast is mostly about respecting your elders, and also

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Speaker 1: the differences between New York and La.

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Speaker 2: George, I want to kick it off and say, I'm

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Speaker 2: feeling such an insane New York City fomo.

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Speaker 1: And usually that's what I wanted to talk to you about,

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Speaker 2: It's crazy. It's like not right that I'm not there

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Speaker 1: So just for everyone who's listening, because this is going

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Speaker 1: to come out in a couple of weeks. We are

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Speaker 1: recording the day after Zoran's upset victory that I of

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Speaker 1: course predicted would not happen on record, and on this

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Speaker 1: very podcast Patreon, I said, I said, why aren't your

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Speaker 1: coalescing around Brad Lander, Like we need someone who appeals

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Speaker 1: to the average New Yorker. We are you know we're

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Speaker 1: being overly optimistic with this young upstart and hie on

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Speaker 1: my face?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the egg is dripping down your face as we see.

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Speaker 1: Is it egg on my face? Not there on my face?

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Speaker 2: Well you can get a little bit of both. You're

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Speaker 2: getting a whole slew of foods thrown at your face.

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Speaker 1: That's right, I'm high on my face in the way

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Speaker 1: that people you know, the gay activist through pies on.

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Speaker 2: Well, what's her name?

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Speaker 1: What's her name?

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Speaker 2: We know her, that lady from that lady, that lady

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Speaker 2: that from the past.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you are you are feeling foma for New York?

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Speaker 1: How's Karen Bass?

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's just not fair. I'm to go from to

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Speaker 2: go from. Also the wedding, which for those listening, we

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Speaker 2: you know, we were talking about.

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Speaker 1: Just get married.

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Speaker 2: I just got married this weekend in New York, in

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Speaker 1: That I Los Angeles for you move Los Angeles for

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Speaker 1: a job, very good job, the job ended. You came

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Speaker 1: most the biggest, the most shocking upset in modern New

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Speaker 1: LA you are unemployed, no offense, and you are watching

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Speaker 1: you have had I want to say, Chosa, famous Zillennial

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Speaker 2: Oh, it is just not right. And honestly, I've lived

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Speaker 2: Hi, how are you guys so good?

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Speaker 1: How are we are so good? I mean, I'm amazing

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Speaker 1: because I'm in New York City.

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Speaker 3: You and I are riding the wave of a socialist revolution.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 3: We literally just got back from waving flags on a

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Speaker 1: That's right. We're both in the same kind of like

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Speaker 3: Yes, I on the way home saw a rat hugging

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Speaker 3: a pigeon. This is just a really banner time for

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Speaker 1: The pigeon actually cross endorsed one another, and that's the

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Speaker 3: They did, but it was very cool. Yeah. Also, two

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Speaker 1: You know, one of those bags of garbage actually has

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, we have to let people grow and

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Speaker 1: So, Jenny, do you think we're living in a hair

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Speaker 3: That's a great question. I think it depends if you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Republicans are actually electing people that were conceived

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Speaker 3: Interestingly, I feel like Democrats and also I feel like

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Speaker 3: But when I went to the polls for this mayoral primary,

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Speaker 1: Yes, I think that there's something that happens with Democrats,

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Speaker 3: It's exactly right, It's exactly right. Democrats can't figure out

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Speaker 3: people like the game is rigged. Yes, But then they're like,

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Speaker 3: if you just follow the rules, yes, exactly in the game,

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Speaker 1: And they are stuck in this cycle and their ideology

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Speaker 2: Do you live your life Jenny in more of a

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Speaker 2: I'm ordering a moving van and I'm out of here.

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Speaker 2: And I have never made a mistake like that in

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Speaker 3: Why would it be a mistake for you to move?

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Speaker 1: It would be a decision you are making solely because

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Speaker 3: Mary is the so straight with all due respect Sam,

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Speaker 1: Were you out in college?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's actually did you watch the second season

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like, I was like, I'm the most

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Speaker 1: I remember watching Will and Grace and being like that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and like me af Now I'm like Will is offensive.

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Speaker 1: Is why is he a lawyer?

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Speaker 3: You're like Will is the character written by the straight writers.

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Speaker 1: I know there is something really amazing about just embracing

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Speaker 1: I think that like internal struggle of not wanting to

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Speaker 1: have been experiencing for the very first time over the

439
00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,199
Speaker 1: last ten years. Really, Like this is when people talk

440
00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,639
Speaker 1: about how like there was a crisis of masculinity because

441
00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:48,359
Speaker 1: men felt marginalized during Me Too, It's like, okay, so

442
00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,400
Speaker 1: what you're saying is that for the first time there

443
00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:54,480
Speaker 1: existed such a thing as like negative stereotypes about straight men,

444
00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:59,560
Speaker 1: and then straight men were like, no, I'm not a misogynist,

445
00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,800
Speaker 1: Like no, oh, I don't talk over women in meetings,

446
00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:07,000
Speaker 1: like how It's like, right, part of anyone's existence is

447
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:11,600
Speaker 1: grappling with negative stereotypes about whatever community you're a part of.

448
00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,840
Speaker 2: Wow, I think that's interesting, right, and I have so

449
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:16,480
Speaker 2: much empathy.

450
00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:24,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, finally, it's funny. I also have to be careful

451
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:26,720
Speaker 3: because I feel like, first of all, I'm sure just

452
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:28,800
Speaker 3: like as comedians, we all do this right where you

453
00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:30,920
Speaker 3: talking kind of broad strokes and make jokes out of

454
00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 3: course stereops. And then I think as a queer person,

455
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,440
Speaker 3: as a woman, like I feel comfortable being like, look,

456
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,120
Speaker 3: you know men and you know straight people and blah

457
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 3: blah blah, and then like, so I have a son

458
00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 3: who's eleven, and I'm like, I gotta watch my fucking

459
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 3: mouth because I can't be like fucking men, you know

460
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,960
Speaker 3: what I mean at some point, and I don't know

461
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,199
Speaker 3: how he identifies, how he will end up identifying in

462
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 3: his life, So I also don't want to be ship like.

463
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 3: It's like, I, you know, I'm honest with him about

464
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:57,640
Speaker 3: what I think are stereotypes that exist in the world,

465
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Speaker 3: but I have to be careful about how much I

466
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Speaker 3: like jokingly talk.

467
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 1: We run into this a lot with the fact that

468
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,879
Speaker 1: our entire mo O is like jokingly saying things are

469
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 1: gay or straight, and sometimes we go all the way

470
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,879
Speaker 1: back round to just being like sexist because we're just like,

471
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 1: we'll just be like beer is for men, wine is

472
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 1: for women, like just because we're trying to make some

473
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,160
Speaker 1: larger point about gender, and it's like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

474
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 3: That's not everybody pink is gay.

475
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 1: Yeah wait, what.

476
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 3: Are we talking progress?

477
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 2: You can really get stuck in here in a bad way.

478
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah you really. Yeah, it's it is a little

479
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 3: bit of like a twisty fly right.

480
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, not to take a hard left turn. But I

481
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 1: think let's get our first segment out of the way

482
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Speaker 1: because I want to really delve into some topics.

483
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:44,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. I can tell this is going to be an

484
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 2: intellectually Oh I'm strong episode.

485
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,920
Speaker 1: My PhD from William and Mary's about to put to use.

486
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I can't believe I first wanted to before

487
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 2: we get to the first segment. I'm like, why did

488
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 2: I jump at that so hard? It's I really have

489
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,919
Speaker 2: like done a good job of tamping down sort of

490
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:06,880
Speaker 2: my caring of like local, my localness.

491
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 3: I think it's funny, I think, right, you, but it's

492
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,879
Speaker 3: so hard how imprinted on you. The things that you

493
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 3: are told when you were younger are important, those are

494
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 3: so like so like I had the William and Mary thing,

495
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 3: like you have to get into a good school and

496
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 3: this is the one you got to and it's like

497
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,440
Speaker 3: nobody cares. And then I spent ten years in Chicago

498
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 3: coming up in the comedy scene, and Second City was

499
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 3: the holy Grail, and I was so important to me

500
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,639
Speaker 3: to work there, and I'm glad that I didn't had

501
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 3: a wonderful time. You better believe the second I set

502
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 3: foot outside of Chicago, no one gave a fuck. Like

503
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,399
Speaker 3: I showed up in New York and it was like

504
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 3: I had never done comedy. I had no street cred,

505
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 3: no one. And I was talking with a friend of

506
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 3: mine from Chicago, and I remember telling her it's like

507
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 3: I showed up here with a bunch of Confederate money,

508
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,239
Speaker 3: like I can't spend it. No one gives it but

509
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,120
Speaker 3: I But I lived. And Sam, you'll get that from.

510
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 2: You are speaking my language so much right now, all.

511
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 3: Right, But like then I showed and I had a

512
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 3: good friend who did comedy here in New York, and

513
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,239
Speaker 3: he told me he was gonna move to LA. And

514
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 3: I said to him, I was like, I need to

515
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 3: tell you something to prepare you for when you go

516
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 3: to LA. No one will give a fuck what you

517
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 3: did in New York. Whatever. Little like Oh, I was

518
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 3: at UCB on the house team called like Grandpa's pickles,

519
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,159
Speaker 3: Like no one gives a fuck. No one's heard of

520
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 3: Grandpa's pickles. You have no currency. But I think that

521
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 3: is like wherever you come up in the world, you

522
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 3: cannot let go of these things being important.

523
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 2: It's the way that I'm in LA. I was in

524
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 2: New York for twelve years, and honey, I made a splash.

525
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 2: Let's say that, and I'm out here and it's like

526
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 2: I was never I never existed. Like it's like I'm

527
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 2: starting fresh in this way that I'm like wait what

528
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 2: And each time I'd be like no, just like put

529
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,160
Speaker 2: yourself out there, and people will like immediately like take

530
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 2: to you, and I'm like no, it's literally starting over.

531
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 3: Oh. It says if you've never done comedy a day

532
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 3: in your life, you have to eat shit one thousand percent.

533
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 3: And I, yeah, I did it when I moved here.

534
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 3: I did it. When I moved to Detroit, people were

535
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 3: like constantly explaining to me how improv worked. But you'd

536
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 3: just be like, let me just eat for a little while.

537
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 2: Wow.

538
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: I have never heard of anything more humbling than people

539
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: in Detroit explaining to you how kimprov. So that I

540
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: think would be my worst night.

541
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 3: I remember somebody explaining to me what one particular form was,

542
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,239
Speaker 3: and then the worst part is that form had been

543
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 3: invented in Chicago and they were explaining it wrong. But

544
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 3: I just had to be like yes, okay, yeah, yes, okay,

545
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 3: great damn and I think that's just yeah. But anyway,

546
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 3: like that's again, like you show up with your whatever

547
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 3: you're William and Mary diploma or your your second city

548
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 3: T shirt and people are like, I don't give a fuck.

549
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 3: Damn well, I'll put the room down, and I'm sorry.

550
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 2: No, no, it's it's this is I want to talk

551
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 2: more about this, but I know it's like probably uninteresting

552
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 2: to some listeners, but I like that's sort of where

553
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 2: the tornness of moving back to New York is. Like

554
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,959
Speaker 2: is it just because I'm tired of being small?

555
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 3: Oh?

556
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 1: I see, yeah, You're like, I just I'm tired of

557
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 1: putting in the day to day effort.

558
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the thing with.

559
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 1: When you're comfortable and you're surrounding, then you choose where

560
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: to put in the effort. It's like, okay, Baseline, I

561
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: have a community, I have friends, I am respected. Now

562
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: I want to work on a new project, and that

563
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: is where I'm putting in my effort. My effort isn't

564
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 1: going into just like fitting in.

565
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 2: No.

566
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,199
Speaker 3: I think when you move to the new city, you

567
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 3: have to hustle your ass off for a while, and

568
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 3: it is a little bit like planting seeds and then

569
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,239
Speaker 3: once you've been there for a couple years, a lot

570
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 3: of you have all this like like what the thing

571
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 3: that grows is like like your reputation and your street

572
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 3: credit and your network, and then you are able to

573
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 3: be choosier and to really go hard on a corny metaphor,

574
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 3: but you're able to pluck what you want to be doing.

575
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 3: But in the beginning, it is just grinding. Yeah, Like

576
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 3: I said, like I thought Second City was the holy Grail,

577
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 3: and then and then you know, I moved to New

578
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 3: York and I was like, being on a late night

579
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,439
Speaker 3: show is the holy Grail. And then I was just

580
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 3: at Brooklyn Pride a couple of weekends ago, and Second

581
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 3: City recently opened a theater. You're in New York. I

582
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 3: haven't been to it, but there's one in Brooklyn, And

583
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 3: they had a booth at Brooklyn Pride, and there were

584
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 3: some people there wearing these Second City shirts that had

585
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 3: the Second City logo with rainbow, like a rainbow Second

586
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 3: City shirt, which I'd never seen such a thing. Like

587
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 3: when I was at Second City, it still wasn't again

588
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 3: it was the early two thousands, it was not it

589
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 3: was a little dicey to be gay. The fact that

590
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 3: Second City would have Pride merge, and again, like coming

591
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 3: from Chicago, I still have a real affection for Second City.

592
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 3: So I said, oh my god, can I get one

593
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 3: of those shirts? And they're like they're not for sale,

594
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 3: They're really just for the people working this booth, and

595
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 3: I was like, I get it. I was like, I

596
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 3: will pay you for it. I'm just I'm a lum.

597
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 3: I just think it'd be so cool to have one

598
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 3: of those shirts. And this woman goes, oh, were you, like,

599
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 3: did you like do comedy in Chicago or something. It's

600
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 3: like great, it just is always.

601
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 1: But that's okay then and then you answered no, I

602
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: was in Detroit.

603
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was like you of missions, but I think

604
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 3: it was just look, it's always that you. But that

605
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,199
Speaker 3: person's not required to know anything about me, but it

606
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 3: is of like, no matter how many things I do,

607
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 3: there's always gonna be somebody who's like, but you're nobody, right,

608
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 3: And you're like, okay, well, yeah.

609
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 2: If we had a soundboard that we could put push

610
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 2: little sound effects on, I want to Roddy Dangerfield, I

611
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 2: get no risk by button. I want one so bad.

612
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: No respect, no respect at all, and I want to

613
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: clear like that person's not required to like give me

614
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: anything any.

615
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 2: Kind of oh, but they should know.

616
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 3: It was funny. It was like, yeah, no matter how

617
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 3: many of these benchmarks you set for yourself, there's no

618
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 3: point what it's like. And then I've made it and

619
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 3: then I don't have to try.

620
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, yeah.

621
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 3: But Sam, I think you should move having just met

622
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 3: you moments ago, I think you should move to what

623
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 3: the place that makes your heart feel good?

624
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 2: Yeah? Maybe New York is my UVA after all, because

625
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 2: people there are actually cool. Okay, this to our first segment, Yes, okay, Jenny.

626
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 2: Our first segment was called straight Shooters, And in this segment,

627
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 2: we're going to ask you a series of rapid fire questions.

628
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 2: It's basically this thing or this other thing. And the

629
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 2: only rule is you can't ask any follow up questions

630
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 2: or we will get so so upset with you.

631
00:28:58,400 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: You really have to follow your heart.

632
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, George, you want to kick us off?

633
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: Yes, So I'm looking at my notebook. I'm not looking

634
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: down at my phone, I promise. Okay, gold star.

635
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:19,959
Speaker 2: Or cash bar gold star. Democraticism wow, okay, democratic socialism

636
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 2: or operatic vocalism.

637
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 3: Democratic socialism.

638
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: My cousin Vinnie or Papua New Guinea.

639
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 3: Oh, my cousin, Vinny, it holds up?

640
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, a missed opportunity, or a kiss from Brendan Yuri.

641
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 3: Oh, kiss from Brendan Uri.

642
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: Voting absentee, or turning thirty three?

643
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 3: Turning thirty three? Can you imagine you so.

644
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 2: Young installing your ac or free falling towards the street.

645
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 3: Free falling towards the street. I never want to install an.

646
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: Acy dancing on my own or financing a deadly drone.

647
00:29:58,720 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 3: Dancing on my own.

648
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 2: Rock the Vote or lost your tote?

649
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 3: Rock the Vote?

650
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: Wow? Wow, Okay, let's see we rank.

651
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 3: I can't be bothered carrying totes.

652
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: I do like the simplicity of Rock the Vote.

653
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 2: Rock the Vote.

654
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: We need to bring back earnestly saying Rock.

655
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 2: The Vote, there's something to it.

656
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 3: We need to bring back MTV as a legitimate political force.

657
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: I know. The thing is, I'm always tempted to talk

658
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: about to talk about youth culture, but the truth is

659
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm so far removed from it that I'm

660
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: sure everything I'm saying is stupid. Like I have the

661
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: instinct to be like, why is there no MTV these days?

662
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: Like there needs to be like a sort of youth

663
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: oriented media organization that's like getting people pumped up and

664
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: encouraging sort of like young people to speak their minds.

665
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: And of course, like I'm sure there are things like that.

666
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: It's just they're not targeting me.

667
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 3: Right right. I think it's just like I was thinking,

668
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 3: it's funny I worked at MTV for a few years

669
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 3: before I worked at late night, and I think, so

670
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 3: what people would always want to hear. I got to

671
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 3: hear a lot of people's opinions about MTV because when

672
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 3: I said where I work, people would like be like,

673
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 3: why isn't MTV, Like MTV doesn't play music videos and

674
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 3: MTV is not relevant. Yeah, And I mean that's fair.

675
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 3: It had to pivot, you know, when you got to

676
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 3: a point where you could hear any song you wanted

677
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 3: and go online and see any music video you wanted,

678
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 3: it had to pivot to something else. But I just

679
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 3: I just feel nostalgic for the time when like like

680
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 3: Kurt Loder was a real newsman like you if they

681
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 3: broke real news on MTV, it was really an important

682
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 3: cultural of like you know, the real world talked about HIV.

683
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,959
Speaker 3: It was just such an interesting, cool time, and I

684
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 3: feel like I wish there was something that like was

685
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 3: for young people. Again, maybe this exists, and I hope

686
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 3: somebody will tell me about it if it does. But

687
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 3: something that is for young people but assumes that young

688
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 3: people are very smart, isn't like a dumbed down or

689
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 3: very like isn't a dumbed down thing for young people?

690
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 3: Like it really like you had to kind of MTV

691
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 3: trusted that you were gonna want to get your news

692
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 3: about Kurt Cobaine's death from this middle aged man with

693
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 3: a receiding hairline and a blazer.

694
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean the gay the gay episodes of

695
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 2: Next Honey they raised me. That was really like, wait,

696
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 2: gay guys are real?

697
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. Next was like the it was right in

698
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: the middle of the transition from old MTV to new MTV.

699
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: Like it was like, it wasn't music videos and you know,

700
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: someone interviewing Courtney Love, but it also wasn't yet like

701
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: Jersey Shore. It was sort of it was like half

702
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: youth culture, half reality TV trash.

703
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 2: Well, we do rate our guests on a scale of

704
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 2: zero one thousand doves.

705
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: I think this was a really good performance. I think

706
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: the fact that you started with changing your mind really

707
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: established established a character. Like I think there was something

708
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: about like the confidence of saying one thing, but then

709
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: the greater confidence of changing your mind that actually really

710
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: really kind of pointed to the power of speaking your

711
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: voice and rocking the vote.

712
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, so with that, I'm gonna say, nine hundred and

713
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 2: forty seven doves. I agree, God, thank you. Yeah, I

714
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 2: mean this is maybe our first mind change in history,

715
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 2: and we've been doing this for a while now.

716
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: And I also think, you know, you changing your mind

717
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: like emphasize how seriously you were taking it, Like if

718
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: you didn't care, you would just like whatever, pick an

719
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: answer and then move on. But it also made us

720
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: feel better about ourselves because we were like, okay, like

721
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: she's actually sitting down and listening.

722
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 3: I literally had this feeling for a second like does

723
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 3: that mean I can't go to open bars anymore?

724
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: I know I was because that's an interesting one, gold

725
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: star or open bar, because I could see you being

726
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: like I got to stick with my people, like gold

727
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: star is such a classic sort of like lesbian term.

728
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: But then you were like, no, I like drinking more

729
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: than I like being a lesbian.

730
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 3: You're going to put them back to back. I think

731
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 3: also gold Star makes me nostalgic for the time when

732
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 3: and I know there still is like coded language and

733
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 3: stuff in the queer community. There's so much more I

734
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 3: think with the Internet and social media, there's so much

735
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 3: more access to our secret stuff that we lose it

736
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 3: almost as soon as we created. Makes me nostalgic for

737
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 3: a time when we did have secrets and code words.

738
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: God, I completely agree with you. Actually, and this is

739
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: something I think. I think Sam and I talk about

740
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: it all the time. How like gay terms now are

741
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: so democratized and some random girl will just be like twink.

742
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: Like We'll just be like, yeah, I saw a twink

743
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: on the street. I'm like, hold on, who are you?

744
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,760
Speaker 3: We were like, well when I came out at work

745
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 3: as a democrat, and I'm.

746
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: Like totally no, yeah, or people saying like straight people

747
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 1: saying using the terms topping and bottoming, which I think

748
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: ultimately you should be allowed to do. I'm not, you know,

749
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: gate keeping them, but I'm like, hold on, we need

750
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: to have a town hall.

751
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 3: I will gate keep partner. Please, if you are please

752
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 3: stop telling me about your partner, because then I get excited.

753
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 3: We're you're a new friend or a new coworker, and

754
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 3: you're like, well, my partner, and then I get excited

755
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 3: that I found another gay in the wild.

756
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: Yes, but then they're actually coming out as a Democrat.

757
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 3: But then you said, then your name is Melissa, and

758
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 3: then you're like, my partner, my partner, And then you're like,

759
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 3: but Brad, and I would love to have you over

760
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:27,479
Speaker 3: for dinner, and I'm like, no, yeah's partner. Everybody's something.

761
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 3: Maybe you get a new term, maybe straight for.

762
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can just call him your your brad. Maybe

763
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: straight people just say you're my Brad for a boy,

764
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: and my Melissa for girls.

765
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 3: Is a guy you've been dating for a long time

766
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 3: who will not commit to you, and actually, yes, correct,

767
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 3: Melissa is the same thing.

768
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 2: This is my Brad. Should we get into the topic, yes, Jenny.

769
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,280
Speaker 2: First of all, you came with Alyssa to die for topics.

770
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: They honestly kept getting better. I was like, I kept

771
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: being like that one, that one that.

772
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 2: Way I know, kept we like, we chose to kind

773
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 2: of willy nilly be based on some of what we

774
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 2: were talking about, but all of them should be their

775
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 2: own episode. So we first, if you could just read

776
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 2: them all and then tell us which one we're doing today.

777
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, great, thank you. This is my list of pitches

778
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 3: for things in straight culture that I do not love.

779
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 3: Ridal showers, purses, wine charms, candles as gifts, praising a

780
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 3: man for doing the least, posting your children on social media,

781
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 3: a dress that's just a long Oxford shirt, and babysitting

782
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 3: your kids, your own kids, baby.

783
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 2: Your own kids. I mean, what an amazing list. Wine

784
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,760
Speaker 2: charms in particular, I was like, there's so much happening here.

785
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: I was thinking of, like posting your children on social media.

786
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: I specifically am fascinated by the phenomenon of putting little

787
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:58,399
Speaker 1: emoji on your kids' faces on social media, because there's

788
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: something so first of all, just aesthetically, I hate it,

789
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: like it's so it looks so bad, like why is

790
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: there a little heartface in the middle of this like

791
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: otherwise beautiful photograph. And then second of all, you're like,

792
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: either do it or don't.

793
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 2: I am just kind of like, okay, this is I'm

794
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 2: sure there's an answer. What's the point.

795
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: I think the point is that they don't want well, okay,

796
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: I think the point is that they don't want their

797
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: children's likeness to be publicly available for like mass surveillance reasons,

798
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: I assume, but then also to be a little more

799
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: like grim about it. I also am sure that there's

800
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: some sort of like fear about children being like some

801
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 1: pervert being like turned on by your child.

802
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 3: I'm sure there's all of that. I mean, look, you

803
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 3: get into dicey territory whenever you're a parent, and you're

804
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 3: like parents should or should not do that. So I'm

805
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 3: gonna say already that I'm wading into dangerous waters. But

806
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 3: I think that there is so much noise among parents

807
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 3: around like safety and online safety for kids, and so

808
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 3: I feel like why would why all of that? And

809
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 3: like how to keep your kids safe online? What age

810
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 3: they should have a phone? What controls you should have

811
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 3: on your computer and your TV and all that and

812
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 3: your your phone, and then why do all of that

813
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 3: and then be like it's Jaden's first day of school

814
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 3: and post a picture of your actual child on your

815
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 3: actual front steps with your actual address behind Jamee's head. Yes,

816
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 3: I feel like he's in first first day of first grade,

817
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 3: so that a literal kidnapper can be like, okay, first grade.

818
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 3: So he's about eighty pounds, so I'm gonna leave. I'll

819
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 3: need the pickup and not the not the four door Sedan. Okay, Like, yeah,

820
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 3: that all of that makes It's like and your account

821
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 3: has your last name and then you've said your kid's

822
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 3: first name, and like maybe I'm old fashioned, but and

823
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 3: also I don't know, man, Like I think, I really

824
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 3: feel like Jaden is gonna be a grown up one

825
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 3: day and it's gonna have all this stuff out them

826
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 3: online and will have had no control over what was

827
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 3: put out in the world about them. And I don't

828
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 3: look like Jaden's going to try to go for a

829
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 3: job interview or just even like a first date. Think

830
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 3: about how dig you deep before a first date or

831
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 3: sat or a second date or whatever, and then you've

832
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 3: got all of this stuff and Jaden has no control

833
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 3: over how they are presented in the world. I love

834
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 3: that I really doubled down on the name Jayden.

835
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 2: No, I know Jaden is real. I can see him currently.

836
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,240
Speaker 1: There's something about there's something about the emoji on kids'

837
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: faces that feels very specifically millennial or elder millennial to me,

838
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: because it is those parents both have the urge to

839
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: post but also grew up knowing the dangers of the Internet,

840
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: like and they just can't decide, and it's like it

841
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 1: is the result of like two different views pulling at you.

842
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: Like You're like, I need the likes because that's what

843
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: gives meself worth. But I also know I was raised

844
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,760
Speaker 1: to fear, just like putting in from there.

845
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 3: That's really interesting. I had never thought of that being

846
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 3: like a visual representation of this, like push pull, But

847
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 3: I think you're exactly right. And again, like I want

848
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 3: me to be a purist. And some people have very

849
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 3: small online circles. Maybe I'm just extra nervous about it

850
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 3: because I am on TV and every once in a

851
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,439
Speaker 3: while somebody recognizes me, and then I'm like, I don't

852
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 3: know if I want that person to also know where

853
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 3: I live and where my son is. And also like

854
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 3: I'm queer, so I'm also like, m some people have

855
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 3: opinion about whether or not we should be allowed to

856
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 3: own children, So I'm like, let me just.

857
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 1: Stay and thank you for calling it owning.

858
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 3: It's very recent. It's only very recent in recent human

859
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 3: history that I wouldn't have been allowed to own my child, so.

860
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 2: Wow, But okay, And then the topic we have decided

861
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 2: to go with is the long Oxford as a dress. Yes,

862
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 2: I would love for you to talk a little bit

863
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 2: about what makes it straight to you?

864
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 3: Okay, I think that it is very straight. It's so

865
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 3: interesting because I think it has no flavor, there's no

866
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,720
Speaker 3: edge to it. It just you just took a shirt

867
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 3: and made it longer. It's just a long shirt. I

868
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 3: don't know how else. It's like, it's just there's no

869
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 3: you took a shirt and just kept going. And I

870
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 3: think it also, I think it's very I find it

871
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 3: bland as an object. And I also feel like it

872
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 3: favors the blandest bodies because I think like you really

873
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,280
Speaker 3: can't if you are somebody who is curvy, that dress

874
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 3: is not cut for you. So I think it just

875
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 3: really celebrates blandness in a way that I don't enjoy.

876
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 3: And it I don't love a thing on a woman

877
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 3: where it's like I'm serious but I'm not. I feel

878
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 3: like either you're about your business or you're out to

879
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 3: have a good times. What it is, it's you know

880
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 3: what it is. It's the mullet of dresses business top

881
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 3: and party on the bottom. What are we are?

882
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 1: It's the compromise that pleases no one.

883
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 3: That's it you try to please everyone, you'll please no one,

884
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 3: and that's what this garment has done.

885
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 2: I think it's a funny piece. I feel like it,

886
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 2: Like you know, it takes the boyfriend's shirt, the idea

887
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 2: of like this is my boyfriend's shirt and I just

888
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 2: woke up and this is all I can wear, and

889
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 2: makes it like and now I can wear it out

890
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 2: like it's like the boyfriend is implied even when you're

891
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,720
Speaker 2: wearing the shirt dress, it's like I'm wearing this because

892
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 2: I have a boyfriend.

893
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 3: That's such a good point, because I think it's a

894
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 3: very iconic image too in movies of like the woman

895
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 3: spends the night for the first time, and then the

896
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 3: next morning you see her in the man's Oxford shirt,

897
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 3: and I think, I don't write it's like, you can

898
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 3: wear an Oxford shirt. It's okay, lady, live your best life.

899
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 3: Go wear an Oxford shirt. You don't have to be

900
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 3: this is the girl version.

901
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: It really encapsulates as an object all the anxieties of

902
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: like a progressive straight woman, Like it's like it is

903
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: she is so confused about whether she wants to go

904
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: full business casual or be like fun and flirty. She

905
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: is alluding to the idea of a boyfriend, but while

906
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: maintaining her her own like female empowerment. She's like, she's

907
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: she reads the cut, like she reads fashion journalism, but

908
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: is not like, you know, scrolling through runway photos every day.

909
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 1: It's she's just like it's this desperation of just like,

910
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 1: please just take me seriously, while also viewing me as

911
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: kind of attractive. Like it's just like, ca, can't I

912
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: just win?

913
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 2: Please?

914
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it is so sexy. And again, I'm

915
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 3: a lesbian, so you know, I have my own perspective

916
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 3: that's very gay. But I think it's like very cool

917
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 3: and sexy when a woman wears traditional men's clothing and

918
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 3: does it unapologetically. And I think that's what I don't like,

919
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 3: is this is an apologetic garment.

920
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:45,879
Speaker 2: Yes it is.

921
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: It's exactly right. It's like, I mean, it's sort of

922
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: similar to like a skirt suit in that way, like

923
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: there is something that's like I'm trying not that I'm

924
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 1: against skirtsuits, but it's like I'm trying to allude to

925
00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: a suit a masculine know symbol, but I'm still a woman.

926
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think it's also they're just always still

927
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 3: plain every time I've seen when it's either white or

928
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 3: it's that Oxford shirt blue, so like you're not gonna

929
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 3: see one in a fun pattern.

930
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 2: It's not.

931
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 3: There's just not a lot of fun to be had there.

932
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 3: And I just maybe that's a metaphor for being a

933
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 3: straight woman. I think there's a lot of it's all constraint,

934
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 3: not a lot of.

935
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: Fun, and there was no whimsy because here's my suggestion

936
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: nowhere that wear that shirt dress, get this with a tie.

937
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: That's fun oo I put a little eye on, but like,

938
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: get like an exaggerated.

939
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 2: It kind of Freddstone, yes, like.

940
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: Or yes, that very Fred Flintstone codd or get like

941
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: an exaggerated eighties Wall Street tie and have it be

942
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: like draggy in that way, or.

943
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 3: And like Doc Martin boots or something. Yes, yeah right,

944
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 3: but yeah, it's I think it's always like with like

945
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 3: the blandest sandal and like a bland hobo bag, and

946
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 3: I just I want Here's I sound like I'm being

947
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 3: really judgmental. It's more I want more for straight women.

948
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 3: I want them to enjoy their clothes more. And I

949
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,720
Speaker 3: think this is there's the least enjoyment is being had

950
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 3: in this garment. Wow, nothing fun is happening. You put

951
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 3: on a long Oxford shirt dress. There, nothing fun is

952
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 3: happening in your day.

953
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: Totally, No, You're you're even something. You're going You're going

954
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: to like a picnic park birthday for like a really

955
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: tertiary friend that you sort of don't even like, you

956
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 1: like went to college with, and now you happen to

957
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 1: both have kids that are the same age, so you reconnected.

958
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: And you had one awkward coffee date and her husband

959
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 1: is honestly like kind of creepy, but you sort of

960
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: like put up with it. And you get there and

961
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,720
Speaker 1: all the kids are being annoying, and suddenly you're getting

962
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: a text from your mom because your dad's condition is

963
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: getting worse, and you have to get home because the

964
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: service is bad in the middle of Central Park, and

965
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: also you can't even use Google Maps to get from

966
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 1: the street to wear the pin has dropped in Central

967
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: Park because it gets all like confuse, your phone gets

968
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: all confused, and suddenly it's four pm and guess what,

969
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: it's the hottest day of the year. And you don't

970
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: even want to be there. And you thought that the

971
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: fabric would be breathable, but actually at Oxford. Fabric is

972
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: not made for the summer.

973
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 3: It's not well, you're wearing it in like the bleachers

974
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 3: at a little league game, but like your kids on

975
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 3: a travel team and it's like the seventh game of

976
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 3: the weekend.

977
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 2: Wow. Wow, these images.

978
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 3: Just this garment is not made for fun And I want, No,

979
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 3: it's not I want I think there is such a

980
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 3: reverence in queer women's clothing right now. There's like a

981
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 3: really lovely lesbian style moment happening. I think there was

982
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,479
Speaker 3: even like a New York Times article that was about

983
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 3: how like lesbians are at the forefront of fashion, which

984
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 3: truly goes against all stereotypes. And I just feel like

985
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 3: I want that for straight women. I want that same

986
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 3: kind of irreverence and fun and disregard for rules of

987
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 3: like what you're supposed to wear to this or that event.

988
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 3: And I just that's that's my dream for them.

989
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, And we were talking a little bit about this

990
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 2: before we were recording, But the reverence for lesbian fashion

991
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 2: and the rise of Birkenstocks in straight culture, I'm curious

992
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 2: to hear your thoughts on it.

993
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I think it's so funny, right, I

994
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,280
Speaker 3: think like I don't want to be grudge anybody wearing anything.

995
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 3: That being said, this being a safe space of just

996
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 3: the three of us, and then you're millions of listeners.

997
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 3: I feel like birkinsocks especially, I have such a like

998
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 3: little like, what do you call it? A be in

999
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 3: your bonnet? Sure, sure born in your side, a hook

1000
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 3: in your craw Are these expressions in English? But I

1001
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 3: think it bugs me so much because it was like,

1002
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 3: birkin socks were such a lesbian punchline for so long,

1003
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, the straight people woke

1004
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 3: up out of nowhere one day and we're like, we

1005
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 3: like them, They're cool, And I was like, wait a second,

1006
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 3: what Yeah, So that drives me a little bonkers. If

1007
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 3: they liked them on their own, fine, but I was like,

1008
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 3: but after at least two decades of making fun of

1009
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 3: us for wearing them, all.

1010
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 1: Right, I think that b and I think birkenstocks wide

1011
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,320
Speaker 1: leg it pants. I think the lesbians were very early

1012
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: to that trend. I mean obviously, like, guess what shirts

1013
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: buttoned up all the way, Like that's a classic. Like

1014
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 1: your cousin, like your lesbian cousin at the wedding is

1015
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: going to go ahead and wear a shirt button all

1016
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:27,879
Speaker 1: the way.

1017
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:31,479
Speaker 3: Also beanies any time of year, beanies that has really

1018
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 3: been stolen from my people. Also Brooklyn, So I also

1019
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 3: I am getting like I'm probably at the epicenter of

1020
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 3: the bleedover from lesbian culture. Yeah, like there's so much

1021
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 3: of like the thin, ironic vintage T shirt and the

1022
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 3: you know, like there's a lot of like it's just

1023
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 3: there's a lot of coveralls happening among straight women right

1024
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 3: now in Brooklyn, and it does feel like, yeah, it's

1025
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 3: just it's it's it's such a funny intersection right to

1026
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 3: be like made fun of fashion, but then also to

1027
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 3: see it co opted.

1028
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 2: I even feel like gay guys are ripping lesbian fashion,

1029
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 2: like current work where trend like the long jean shorts

1030
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 2: with like a white tank top is so seeing bandanas.

1031
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: I'm seeing bandanas out there in a way that feels

1032
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 1: very little.

1033
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 3: Fair interesting, interesting.

1034
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: Even bandana's both on one's head and also around one's neck. Also,

1035
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: I think we've been saying ties are kind of coming back, Like, yeah, ties,

1036
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: there was a moment when ties were so tragically uncool

1037
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 1: and it was even cool to just like even at

1038
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,720
Speaker 1: a super formal event go with like an unbuttoned shirt.

1039
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 1: And I'm seeing ties more and more now people are

1040
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: buying vintage ties. I think bluntstones, I mean, blunstones at

1041
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: this point are like on their way out anyway. But

1042
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: the first people I ever saw wearing bloodstones were queer women,

1043
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 1: and then that became like the official uniform of Brooklyn

1044
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: moms and dads everywhere.

1045
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 3: Yes, anytime you have an intersection of comfort and utility,

1046
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 3: aren't there, well, this is those are our cornerstones.

1047
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 2: But this is what stuff about the blundstone. George, I

1048
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 2: respect and agree with you that the blundstone has been

1049
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 2: like so trendy for so long and it can't last.

1050
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 2: But it's like such a practical shoe, and you know

1051
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 2: New York is in need of a practical shoe. I mean,

1052
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 2: it's really hard to give it up totally.

1053
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 1: Well, guess what, you know what's on the rise now?

1054
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: And I've I think I was on the forefront of

1055
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 1: this of this Merrills are hugely on the rise. Oh

1056
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 1: I'm talking mainstream, which is.

1057
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 3: So funny because that's like, again, that's like such a

1058
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 3: Christopher Columbus moment where it's like lesbian's head and Maryls.

1059
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying eight nineties.

1060
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 3: Yes, and I'm like, that's again, We're doing that again.

1061
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 1: No, Merrill's is literally like a joke that would be

1062
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: on Will and Grace. Will and Grace famously a very

1063
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:53,720
Speaker 1: lesbi lesbian phobic show. They had one. Literally Rose o'donna

1064
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 1: plays a character and she's just the punchline of every

1065
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 1: single joke. But it's we would be very classic for

1066
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: her to be like wearing Meryls and for Jack to

1067
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: make fun of her for it.

1068
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 3: Sure, there was a I lived in a lesbian neighborhood

1069
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 3: in Chicago, and there was a store. It was a

1070
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 3: shoe store, and it wasn't officially a lesbian shoe store,

1071
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 3: but it was like in the heart of Chicago's lesbian neighborhood.

1072
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 3: And when I tell you they only sold three things Meryll's,

1073
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:22,240
Speaker 3: clerks and dance goes, I feel like jokes aside about

1074
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 3: lesbian style and gay men style. The thing that does

1075
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 3: make me a little crazy about all of it getting

1076
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 3: co opted so fast is that it also grew out

1077
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 3: of a need to be able to identify each other.

1078
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 3: And I will see that when great people look like

1079
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 3: queer people, then you just don't know. There's no way

1080
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 3: for us to privately signal to each other, Hey, I'm

1081
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 3: one of you, A you are safe with me. And

1082
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 3: like I'm not saying that I don't even like bring

1083
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 3: the room down, but I do. I also miss that

1084
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 3: of these like little tiny things that we knew to

1085
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 3: look for or listen for, that that could help us

1086
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 3: identify each other to each other if we wanted to.

1087
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 3: And I feel, I mean, the thing that gets made

1088
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 3: gets bleeds into straight culture so fast that we can't

1089
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 3: keep a hold of anyone.

1090
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: I mean that is the nature of something being co

1091
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: opted means that it is decontextualized and so then literally

1092
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 1: the context is removed. Like the entire point of a

1093
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: specific trend or a specific visual signifier is that it

1094
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: exists within like a lexicon that a certain n group knows.

1095
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: And once you take that out, and it's just like, oh,

1096
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 1: sure I can combine a brooch with birkenstocks with a

1097
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 1: straw hat. Okay, so what are you?

1098
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 3: It's just even like the tiniest things, like you know

1099
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 3: in the eighties that men had would wear an earring

1100
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 3: on a certain side exactly, you know, just like the

1101
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:47,439
Speaker 3: tiniest little or like words lingo that you would float

1102
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 3: into a conversation that would go over a straight coworker's head,

1103
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 3: but a queer coworker could be across the room and

1104
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 3: hear it and go, oh, okay, now I know the

1105
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 3: new employee is also gay.

1106
00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. I have this realization recently because I was like,

1107
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 2: I have an earring, I have a mustache, like both

1108
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 2: kind of gay coated things and when when done the

1109
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 2: right way, And then I was like, wait a minute,

1110
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 2: I look exactly like Benson Boone. Like I was like,

1111
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 2: oh no, what happened?

1112
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 3: But I like, there are twenty seven different things about

1113
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 3: Benson Boone that would have been gay ten years ago.

1114
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 2: Yes, gymnastics is like not even does he even crack

1115
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 2: up flying completely?

1116
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:26,959
Speaker 1: This is actually what drives me insane. I have nothing

1117
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 1: against them personally, but the Benson Boone image is more

1118
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:35,399
Speaker 1: than anything I've seen recently, just a combination of signifier,

1119
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: like irresponsible signifiers. Just like they'll throw anything at him.

1120
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: They'll be like, sure, have a mustache, have this hair. Also,

1121
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: you're a Mormon. Also you can do flips like, yes,

1122
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 1: we can see the clear outline of your cock at

1123
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: all times. But it's not sexual. It's for kids.

1124
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,280
Speaker 3: Like it's like it feels like a like a pr

1125
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 3: person or a manager, a stylist took a bunch of

1126
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 3: things and put them on the side of dice exactly

1127
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 3: as like this, and then you're just are.

1128
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 2: Like, Okay, he never has any reason to wear that

1129
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 2: damn outfit, Like the music does not call for that

1130
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 2: outfit ever. Flips or the flips or the flip flips

1131
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 2: not flipping music. It's not flipping music. Folks, teach Charlie

1132
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 2: XCX how to do a flip. That's flipping music, right,

1133
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 2: I'm there for that.

1134
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would love it if Charlie XX learned how

1135
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: to do a flip before she learned how to sing

1136
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 1: or dance. Nofense, She's like.

1137
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 2: I'm gonna learn how to flip. Oh that would be awesome.

1138
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

1139
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:34,240
Speaker 2: Wow. Well, I mean.

1140
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 1: Jenny, any final thoughts on Oxford shirts as dresses or

1141
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:43,439
Speaker 1: frankly fashion writ large the.

1142
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 3: Last person who should be answering this question. Here's I think.

1143
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,879
Speaker 3: I think where it feels good to you, right where

1144
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 3: it really feels like you. I think that's really the

1145
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 3: rule of fashion. I feel like New York taught me

1146
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 3: that I think New York is full of people who

1147
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 3: are making choices, and I really love that about New York.

1148
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 3: It took me a minute. Somebody when I first moved here,

1149
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 3: somebody was telling me that because they knew somebody who

1150
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 3: was worried about what to wear on the first day

1151
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 3: of a job. They were coming from another city. And

1152
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:08,879
Speaker 3: I remember she said this really great thing. She goes,

1153
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 3: here's the thing about New York. You're always dressed correctly

1154
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 3: if you look like you made a choice. So like,

1155
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 3: if you show up to that job, a T shirt

1156
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 3: and jeans can be right or wrong. She goes. If

1157
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 3: it's like an oversized T shirt you got for free

1158
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 3: at a five K, and like some loose dad jeans,

1159
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 3: and then a pair of sneakers that are like your

1160
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 3: old running shoes, that's wrong, that looks like you just

1161
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 3: fell into that it's like a stylish T shirt that

1162
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 3: has the name of some cool band on it, and

1163
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 3: well fitted jeans and cool sneakers that are well taken

1164
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,879
Speaker 3: care of. Like, then that's an outfit. And I think

1165
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 3: in New York, if you look like you made a

1166
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 3: choice that feels good to you, you are always well

1167
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 3: dressed and I think that that is a There's a

1168
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 3: lot of things that New York will take from you,

1169
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:50,360
Speaker 3: but that is a thing that New York has given me.

1170
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 3: And I really like that. I worry so much less

1171
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 3: about it if I'm dressed right when I live here

1172
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 3: and I just worry do I dress like? Am I

1173
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 3: dress like? I feel great?

1174
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 2: That is such a great point. When we were just

1175
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 2: in town, back in town, and my husband was putting

1176
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 2: on so my first time saying it publicly, he put

1177
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 2: on like sort of socks that like they were almost

1178
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 2: like hiking socks, like they didn't go with it was

1179
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 2: like hot out and it didn't make any sense. And

1180
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 2: he was like, these are the only socks I have?

1181
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 2: Can I wear these? And I was like like, I

1182
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 2: was like absolutely, it's New York. Like I was like,

1183
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 2: in La people dressed badly because they don't know, and

1184
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 2: New York people are dressing badly because it's a stylistic

1185
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 2: choice and they're trying to make a point. Yeah, And

1186
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 2: I was like, this is great.

1187
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 3: No one looks at you. At one point when I

1188
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 3: was pregnant, I was eight months pregnant and I was

1189
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 3: on my way to a job and we'd all decided

1190
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 3: at that job we were going to dress up for Halloween,

1191
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 3: and I bought an outfit that was supposed to be

1192
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 3: for like a young sexy woman that was a bee,

1193
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 3: like a bumblebee, and so I thought, thought this thing.

1194
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 3: It was like spandex white and black striped, and it

1195
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 3: was supposed to be like a sexy dress, but I

1196
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 3: was eight months pregnant, so barely basically it was like

1197
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 3: a Spandex shirt. And then I were like blacks and

1198
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 3: like antennae and wings. And then I got on the

1199
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:05,919
Speaker 3: subway and I remember being like, well, this is gonna

1200
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 3: awkward on the subway, but it'll be fine when I

1201
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 3: get to work. No one even looked at me on

1202
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 3: the subway, And I love that about New York. People

1203
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 3: were just like, yeah, man, that's this is her data

1204
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 3: dressed like a bee. And first of all, they probably

1205
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 3: even noticed me, but if they did, they were like, yeah,

1206
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 3: the lady's doing her be outfit.

1207
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:20,959
Speaker 2: Yeah no, it's it's heaven on Earth.

1208
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 3: And that's what I want for straight women. I want

1209
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 3: straight women to wake up in the morning and be like,

1210
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 3: today's the day I dressed like a bee. Throw your

1211
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 3: Oxford shirt dress in the trash dressed like a bee,

1212
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 3: do you.

1213
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1214
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: Never has this been more apparent than when Sam and

1215
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 1: I were in Chicago and I found out that there

1216
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: is a like Ralph Laura and restaurant in Chicago that is,

1217
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: you know, affiliated with like Polar Bar in New York.

1218
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: So I've been to Polar Bar in New York once.

1219
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 1: It's like someone I knew had to call in a

1220
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 1: favor because it's impossible to get a recommendation to get

1221
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: a reservation. And of course everyone is like dressed so quirky,

1222
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: so quirky, and it's a mix of like gay men

1223
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: with their three girlfriends and then one straight woman with

1224
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 1: three gay mail friends. Like it is very like everyone.

1225
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 2: You know.

1226
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 1: It ranges from like someone turning a full look to

1227
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: what you're saying, where they're wearing a T shirt but

1228
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: it looks correct whatever. In Chicago, it was the exact

1229
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: same restaurant, like the same food, same decor, but everyone

1230
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 1: was just dressed midwestern. Yeah, And I was like, damn it,

1231
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 1: this is actually altering my experience.

1232
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 3: So here's another great thing that I heard about Chicago

1233
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 3: versus New York versus whatever. Somebody told me one time

1234
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 3: they were like Every city has its money, right, and

1235
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 3: they were like in Boston because of all the universities

1236
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 3: in Harvard and all that and my teeth, They're like,

1237
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 3: in Boston, intelligence is money. In New York, money is money, right,

1238
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 3: Like in La fame is money. Fame is money, yes,

1239
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 3: And I think in Chicago, authenticity is money Chicago. I

1240
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 3: dressed to go to a bar in Chicago the way

1241
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 3: I dressed to in New York. And I'm not even

1242
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 3: like the fanciest dresser. But if I put on like

1243
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 3: leather pants and a whatever whatever to go, people will

1244
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 3: be like, oh, okay, fancy pants. What the fuck do

1245
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 3: you think you are? There is no pretension in Chicago.

1246
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 3: And I really like that because I think it is

1247
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 3: like the more authentic you are, the more people fuck

1248
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 3: with you, the more people know they can respect you

1249
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 3: and trust you, and then like the farther you get,

1250
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 3: I think I think authenticity is the money of Chicago.

1251
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 3: That in and Polish lossages.

1252
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, God, I love Chicago.

1253
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 1: This is very interesting, Like what is the what is

1254
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: the money of San Francisco.

1255
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 2: It's like, uh, I don't know.

1256
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 1: I mean it's like tech, It's like yeah, maybe influence, yeah,

1257
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 1: seed money Also, I feel like the in London it's

1258
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: like international ness. It's like how international are you? Like

1259
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 1: you have to have grown up in three different countries?

1260
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 3: Right, I'm sure? Like I would love to know what

1261
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 3: is the money of Maine. I know, like lobsters.

1262
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 2: I don't know the lobsters.

1263
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 3: I think that's my That's my thing about fashion is

1264
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 3: I think you wake up, you make a choice, a

1265
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 3: strong choice about who you are and what feels good

1266
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 3: to you, and you are set.

1267
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 1: Here's to it. Here's and ladies, if you're listening, if

1268
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna wear that shirt dress, do something, make a different,

1269
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 1: bold choice. You know, it doesn't have to be a tie.

1270
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: Wear a fedora, you know, you know what, wear legwarmers

1271
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 1: with it, like make some crazy choice.

1272
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 2: My mom which I've always liked this choice. She wears

1273
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 2: it as like a cover up to go to the beach.

1274
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 2: And I think that's a fun move, very fun. Okay,

1275
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 2: so now we should do our final segment, which is

1276
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 2: shout outs. We pay homage to the grand straight tradition

1277
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 2: of the radio shout out and shout out anything that

1278
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 2: we are enjoying. People, places, things, ideas, and we think

1279
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 2: of them on the spot. Yeah.

1280
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 1: There always has to be you know, authentic, not to

1281
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 1: be so Chicago. Yeah, go first, We'll go first, and

1282
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: then and then and then you'll go. Sam, do you

1283
01:00:57,120 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 1: have one?

1284
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 2: You go first? Can you go? Okay? I can go first? Okay,

1285
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 2: I can't tell which direction I want to go in?

1286
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all right, what's up New Yorkers, bodega frequenters, everywhere.

1287
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 1: I want to give a shout out to Hogandaw's butter Pecan.

1288
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 1: I recently rediscovered butter pecan for the first time in

1289
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 1: probably over a decade, and I made the realization that

1290
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 1: what you associate with butter pecan is like a window

1291
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 1: into your personality, your upbringing, and like your own cultural references.

1292
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 1: So one time someone told me that it was Carrie

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Speaker 1: Bradshaw's favorite ice cream. I actually googled it and cannot

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Speaker 1: find any proof of that, and I think it might

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Speaker 1: be completely wrong. That's what I associated with it. So

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Speaker 1: depending on where you grew up, you're either a pro

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Speaker 1: butter pecan or an anti butter pecan person. I also

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Speaker 1: think even genderwise, there's some complication there because I think

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Speaker 1: it seems very feminine butter pecan, but there's also something

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Speaker 1: like robust about it, like you're not being like baggy

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Speaker 1: and getting like, you know, a sort of chocolate whirl.

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Speaker 1: So I'm like, butter Pecan, you know, it's kind of

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Speaker 1: a white T shirt of ice creams in that you

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01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 1: can make of it what you want. And it's also

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01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 1: both sophisticated and of the people because it's sort of

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01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 1: available everywhere, but it like it sort of points to

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Speaker 1: a higher sophistication, so I guess what I'm saying is

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Speaker 1: And also, frankly, it's delicious and kind of goes with

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Speaker 1: everything you compare with any other kind of scoop. So

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Speaker 1: get out there and get yourself some hoggin does Butter Pecan.

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Speaker 2: Who Okay, I don't think I've talked about this one yet,

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01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 2: and if I have, I'm gonna jump off a cliff.

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01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 2: Quite frankly, what's up freaks loses some perverts around the globe.

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Speaker 2: I want to give a huge shout out to the

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Speaker 2: Paul Rubens documentary Peewee as himself. I watched this the

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Speaker 2: other night and it was so damn touching and so interesting,

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01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 2: and it's always so fun to see someone who is like,

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01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 2: you know, you're so familiar with you think you know,

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01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:00,120
Speaker 2: and then you see how it all played out and

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01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 2: you're like, oh damn, I had no idea. Like, of

1321
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 2: course he comes from like a weirdo visual art background.

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01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 2: Like there's so much in Peewee and in that world

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01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 2: that was so smart, and I was so touched by

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Speaker 2: all of it. And it's just crazy to watch. I

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01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 2: don't know, like how just genuinely homophobic the world was

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Speaker 2: and how it sort of ruined him at multiple points,

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Speaker 2: and it's so sad and heartbreaking that he wasn't allowed

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Speaker 2: to just be a gay guy out in the world,

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Speaker 2: because he would have been an amazing gay guy out

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Speaker 2: in the world. So shout out to the Paul Rubins documentary.

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Speaker 2: I highly recommend you all watch it and shout out

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Speaker 2: to Pee Wee. You're incredible. Xoxo Sam.

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Speaker 1: Who Sam? Have I told you that I know the

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01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 1: guy who made it Met Wolf.

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Speaker 3: That documentary was outstanding.

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Speaker 1: It's incredible. It's actually funny. I don't think I've said

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01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: this on the podcast, but for whatever reason, we have

1338
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 1: mutual friend, a very good mutual friend, and so she

1339
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 1: has these Shabbat dinners and I'm and that's the only

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01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 1: place I see him, and I always like make small

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01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 1: talk with him. He's like very nice, but I just

1342
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:15,440
Speaker 1: like had no idea he was this incredibly successful and

1343
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 1: incredibly talented and respected filmmaker. I guess I just like

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01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 1: hadn't asked. So this thing happened where this series came out.

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Speaker 1: That is like one of the best things, one of

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01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 1: the best like documentary is of any kind that I've seen.

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01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 1: And I realized that this person that I've been making

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01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 1: like you know, sort of like conventional small talk with

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01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 1: now for three years, I could have the entire time

1350
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 1: been like asking him about what it was like to

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Speaker 1: be the last person to talk to Paul Rubtz.

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Speaker 2: I mean that is so wild. That is wild.

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Speaker 3: I love Paul Rubins and b B. Herman so much.

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01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 3: When his show was on Broadway, I had just moved

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01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 3: to New York and I bought a like third row

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01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 3: ticket and went by myself, Wow, love his work. I

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01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 3: think his work is so fascinating and so just smart

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01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 3: and interesting and yeah, what a talent. And that really was.

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Speaker 3: It was a brilliant but really sad documentary.

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Speaker 2: Yeah it was. It was Okay, Jenny, whenever you.

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Speaker 3: Bring it home, all right, you guys, what's up? Cool kids?

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01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 3: Who went to Uva, and Nerds who Look Mean and Mary. Today,

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01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 3: I would like to give a shout out to weird Ow.

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01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 3: I recently had reason to revisit his body of work,

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Speaker 3: and I have to say I always enjoyed him. When

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Speaker 3: I was younger, I had not realized how smart some

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01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 3: of his work is. I did a lot of watching

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Speaker 3: original music videos that he parodied and then watching his

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01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 3: parody right afterwards. This man was doing a shot for

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01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 3: shot remake of the beat It video. Man had incredible references,

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01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:53,920
Speaker 3: like a surgeon holds up in the like a virgin video.

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Speaker 3: We have Madonna writhing on a gondola on the canals

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01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 3: of Vent and then you've got weird Al on a

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01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 3: gurney that's moving down a hallway in a hospital and

1375
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 3: he's writhing at the end of it. Like it's so interesting,

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01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 3: like these really interesting visual bits that just don't even

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01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:17,480
Speaker 3: they're not even part of the song. And also I

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01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 3: think he is such a lovely inspiring tale of like

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01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 3: really being yourself. Because there's a million people out there

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Speaker 3: doing like pop music or some other kind of more

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01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 3: marketable music, and this man was like, I want to

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01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 3: do parody songs while I have well, I play the

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Speaker 3: accordion and I'm sure a thousand people were like, do

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01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 3: not do that. No one wants that. And it turns

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01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 3: out people always want what you have to give. If

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Speaker 3: it's coming from like the center of your heart. You

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01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 3: can tell what a great time he's having doing these things.

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Speaker 3: And I just love so much that this man was like,

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01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 3: this is what's inside of me. I'm giving it to

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Speaker 3: the world and it is the life.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Wow, wow, I'm weird out raised me. I love

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Speaker 2: I mean the song Albuquerque, I would revisit like over

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Speaker 2: and over and over and over.

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Speaker 1: I also just love the commitment to comedy, to just

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01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 1: being like this is wordplay, like I am the point

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01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:14,959
Speaker 1: of what I'm doing is to get people to laugh.

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01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:19,000
Speaker 1: I'm not like trying to make some grand political statement

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01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 1: like it's it's almost like going back to the basics

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01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:23,920
Speaker 1: and like going to art school and doing figure drying.

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Speaker 3: That's a great way to put it. It's like, this

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01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 3: is just fun. Why are you doing this because it's funny.

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01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 3: There is a shot in the beat it video a

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01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:32,920
Speaker 3: thing I also had not seen in like decades, but

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01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 3: where right before the song hasn't even started yet, and

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01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 3: the gang members are all kind of assembling, and one

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01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 3: guy is sitting at a bar and he sees that

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01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:41,560
Speaker 3: the gang members are assembling, so he gets up and

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01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 3: he's sitting next to this woman and he kind of

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01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 3: grabs her by the back of the hair, pulls her

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01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:47,960
Speaker 3: hair back, kisses her, and then walks out. And then

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01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 3: in the eat It video, a guy dressed just like

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01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 3: him is sitting at a bar sit an next this woman.

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01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 3: Then it immediately, of course turned to like a bad dummy,

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01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:00,919
Speaker 3: grabs the back of this manikin's head, it pops off,

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01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 3: and then tosses the head to the bar and walks out,

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01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 3: And like that is a two second bit. It's not

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01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 3: even part of the song. You do not have to

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01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 3: do that. And I laughed so hard, Like you said

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Speaker 3: at the commitment, nothing's funnier to me than a lot

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Speaker 3: of commitment to a tiny thing. Yes, yeah, you know

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01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 3: they had meetings about the mannequin and how to get

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01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:22,679
Speaker 3: it to pop off fast, Like the amount of commitment

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01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:24,759
Speaker 3: for something that was happening before the song even started

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01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 3: for no reason other than it's silly, what.

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Speaker 1: A delight, And honestly, I think that relates to your

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01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 1: suspicion of shirt dresses because there's a lack of commitment there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all comes back to.

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01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:37,839
Speaker 3: The shirt dress. No fun, there's no playfulness, there's no commitment.

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01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:40,720
Speaker 3: Everything that's missing in a shirt dress, everything you're not

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01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:42,600
Speaker 3: getting from a shirt dress, you're gonna get in a

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01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 3: word out video.

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Speaker 2: That's yeah.

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Speaker 1: Thanks everyone, Yes, thank you so much. First of all,

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01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:55,519
Speaker 1: but tell everyone you know where they can find you,

1435
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:58,720
Speaker 1: what's going on, where they can how they can financially

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01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 1: support you trying.

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01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:03,840
Speaker 3: I mean, first and foremost obviously put money into my

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01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:05,480
Speaker 3: son's college fund.

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01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:07,639
Speaker 1: Of course, and we'll include a link.

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01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 3: We'll have a link, but not his face.

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01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 2: It'll be like yes, no.

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01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 3: I I've been doing a live show, a monthly live

1443
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:18,439
Speaker 3: show for a while, not called Jenny Hagel Gives Advice.

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01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 3: It's a really fun show I do. I always have

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01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 3: a different comedy guest every month. But basically what happens

1446
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 3: is when audience members come in, they get a couple

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01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 3: of index cards and a pen, and they can write

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01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:30,760
Speaker 3: down questions they want advice on. They put them into

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01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 3: buckets that are at the front of the stage, and

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01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:34,720
Speaker 3: then me and a guest pull the questions out at

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01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:38,479
Speaker 3: random and give them advice, and then at the end

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01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 3: of every show, a real therapist comes on stage and

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01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:43,599
Speaker 3: tells us if we did a good job or not. Wow,

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01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:46,599
Speaker 3: it is so fun. The therapists are always very honest.

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01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 3: They're not comedians, they're real human therapists. They're so fun.

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01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 3: And I'm doing that show this July Saturday, July twenty

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01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 3: sixth at Joe's Pub in Manhattan. And if you felt

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01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:59,320
Speaker 3: like it'd be really fun, they actually end up being

1459
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:02,599
Speaker 3: these really fun because people are very honest and vulnerable

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01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 3: with their questions. I think something about not having to

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01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 3: say it out loud, you write it honestly on a card.

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01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 3: People really will open up and ask really lovely questions,

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01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 3: and it kind of every evening has a kind of

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01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:12,640
Speaker 3: a lovely community vibe to it.

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01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 1: I love that.

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01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 2: Well, that sounds mean, let's get Orna in there, let's

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01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 2: get or folks, we gotta get her.

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01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, please give me check it out, you guys, this

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01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:21,880
Speaker 3: is such a delight. Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: This was so much fun. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: doing it. Yeah, we're both huge fans and this was

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Speaker 1: really lovely.

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01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:28,360
Speaker 3: Likewise, thank you.

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01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 2: Well then all right, bye bye bye.

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