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Speaker 2: Break it On, Break it On, tukdown Saving Holland slam

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic.

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Speaker 2: I need some media advice right here off the top.

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Speaker 2: It's not often that I consoled others, at least to

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Speaker 2: Darren Irvan, Danny Sirek. But when Josh Doabbs meets the

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Speaker 2: media this week, I've been thinking, thinking, considering, contemplating whether

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Speaker 2: to pose a question considering his background as an aerospace

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Speaker 2: engineer in his internships at NASA. Would it be out

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Speaker 2: of line if I asked, Josh, do you believe in UFOs?

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Speaker 3: Okay, I think you should. There's two things here. One

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Speaker 3: big props to you for thinking Paul.

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Speaker 2: Also, he looks so surprised.

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Speaker 4: I think you should ask UFOs like and aliens like.

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Speaker 4: You should ask.

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Speaker 2: All of it.

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Speaker 3: I just I just had a long conversation with Josh

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Speaker 3: Dobbs for a story I'm posting on easycardinals dot com

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Speaker 3: this week, and he happened to mention that what he

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Speaker 3: had done the afternoon he got traded I think it

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Speaker 3: was or somewhere in that timeframe, was he had just

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Speaker 3: done a non football podcast talking about UFOs and aliens. Yes,

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Speaker 3: he didn't say why they believes in him, but he

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Speaker 3: did say he he talked about.

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Speaker 2: It because you know, if I need a follow up,

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Speaker 2: what I'll say is Josh. A Pentagon report in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty one set of one hundred and forty four sightings

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Speaker 2: but one remained unexplained, but officials Government officials did not

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Speaker 2: rule out the possibility that these objects supposedly in the

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Speaker 2: possession of our government are quote extraterrestrial, so even the government.

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Speaker 2: There was that whole Pentagon or Congressional hearing a few

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Speaker 2: months ago. I wonder if that's what they were talking about,

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Speaker 2: because there were a lot of unanswered questions.

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Speaker 4: I think you just found your next big Red Rage

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Speaker 2: That would be good. That would be good.

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Speaker 4: I mean that would draw a real crown.

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Speaker 2: Okay, jim O Mahundro. Here's what we need to do this.

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Speaker 2: See this is we get the you know, these you

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Speaker 3: Especially for the live the live.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Valley has hosted the UFO Congress for years.

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Speaker 3: For many of ways, there's a UFO Congress.

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Speaker 2: It was in Fountin Hills for a long time. It

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Speaker 2: Convention Center. Now this might have been pre COVID. I

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Speaker 2: don't know if it's been back. Well, every year the

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Speaker 2: news goes out there and they cover it and I

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Speaker 2: would run some money sound bites in a segment. I

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Speaker 2: used to do Paul's Call all the UFO believers. I

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Speaker 2: would feature these guys. These guys were deep thinkers. Among

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Speaker 2: other things.

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Speaker 4: I have a question, and I know that the two

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Speaker 4: of you are gonna writ me because it's going to

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Speaker 4: come off condescending, and that's truly not my intention.

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Speaker 1: Paul.

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Speaker 4: With your non football interests, I know that classic cars

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Speaker 2: It's top ten, It's top ten ten.

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Speaker 4: Non football hobbies. I must be I must be the

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Speaker 3: Like, man, you got a lot of free time.

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Speaker 4: That needs that needs to be a segment of what

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Speaker 2: Usually today it might be number two because considering how

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Speaker 2: the Cardinals. There is there. It is okay, and Danny,

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Speaker 3: He knocked my recorder down, though, Paul.

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Speaker 2: Were you the one who's camera or recorder fell off?

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Speaker 3: But yeah, he knocked He was fiddling without football the

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Speaker 2: That would be good. It would be I like highly paid,

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Speaker 2: treat it as just a job. Ah, you win some,

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Speaker 2: the end of the day, the scoreboard says what it does. No,

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Speaker 2: Josh Dobbs doesn't appear to be that guy. In year

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Speaker 2: So what's in store? Number six. I mean, this is

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Speaker 2: But here's what stood out to me is in that

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Speaker 4: To that point, but to throw the accurate ball. I

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Speaker 4: You're coming in to start the season with only six practices.

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Speaker 4: scheme because they've been playing such different defenses. Right, So,

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Speaker 4: Nice, okay, and question the contract with Dobbs. It's just

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, Josh Dobbs is making one point five million

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Speaker 4: And before we move on from Dobbs specifically, Josh Doabbs

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Speaker 4: I wasn't going to bring it up.

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Speaker 2: Is that what happened earlier today? Kyle Vanenbosch had this

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Speaker 4: I didn't think it was you first, and I turned

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Speaker 4: But you stay on your feet. It wasn't It wasn't

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Speaker 3: It was another fine diminutive American.

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Speaker 2: Danny first. I did say to myself, don't go down,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that would have been We'd have somebody else here

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Speaker 2: So there you go, the igno many of getting run

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Speaker 2: game when I was making my way down and that

437
00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,960
Speaker 2: was genuine, no doubt. I mean that reaction by many

438
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Speaker 2: Austin Fort because look, absolutely no no one gave the

439
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,360
Speaker 2: Cardinals a chance in that game. So there's a win,

440
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Speaker 2: and then there's winning that game against that team. Although

441
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,359
Speaker 2: it's really becoming the norm, is it not? Seven of

442
00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,320
Speaker 2: your last eight you've beaten Dallas in this series.

443
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Speaker 3: Yes, but again, those things are I mean that dates

444
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Speaker 3: all the way back to what two thousand and seven

445
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:33,760
Speaker 3: or eight, and we were getting so far removed. I

446
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,840
Speaker 3: mean I barely remember two thousand and eight at this point,

447
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Speaker 3: Like I don't know that game doesn't have a whole

448
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,080
Speaker 3: lot of impact. Sean Morey's block punt of Matt McBriar

449
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,040
Speaker 3: and breaking mcbriar's leg probably doesn't have a whole lot

450
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Speaker 3: of impact on this game. But it's a nice stat

451
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Speaker 3: about the.

452
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Speaker 2: Fact though, that Dallas was top three in every power pole.

453
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Speaker 3: That's that's different.

454
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Speaker 2: Right they If you want to talk about twenty twenty three,

455
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Speaker 2: I mean they're considered a legit Super Bowl contender. I

456
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 2: know they were down three offensive linemen. I know Trayvon

457
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,680
Speaker 2: Diggs is done for the year. Guess what Cardinals didn't

458
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Speaker 2: have Buddha Baker. Cardinals are missing their share of players

459
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Speaker 2: as well. So considering, look, you can read this however

460
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Speaker 2: you want. Outcomes are outcomes, wins and losses. They are

461
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Speaker 2: exactly what they are and you can't change it. And

462
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:23,399
Speaker 2: you really can't misconstrue any outcome other than to say

463
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Speaker 2: that you're seven points away from being three to zero.

464
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Speaker 2: So I don't know how you process that.

465
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Speaker 3: Well, how about this. There's a stat there's an analytic

466
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Speaker 3: called DVOA, which is defense adjusted value over average.

467
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Speaker 2: Hashtag no math.

468
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Speaker 3: Essentially, what it does is it takes every play and

469
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Speaker 3: factors them down and distance and measures each team against

470
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Speaker 3: the league average an offense and defense to find out

471
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Speaker 3: like where they kind of stand after three weeks, the

472
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Speaker 3: Cardinals are tenth in the NFL. And DVOA, which is.

473
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Speaker 2: Which is a team reading. It's a team reading, and.

474
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Speaker 3: It's a team gauge that if you're if you're high

475
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Speaker 3: in the league, you're one of the better team. It's

476
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Speaker 3: saying that despite your wins and losses, this is saying

477
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Speaker 3: you're better than average comparatively.

478
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Speaker 2: And in recent history there has been a correlation between

479
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Speaker 2: your DVOA and your win loss record.

480
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Speaker 3: Well, every team above the Cardinals right now, all nine

481
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 3: of them are either two and one or three and zero. Wow,

482
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Speaker 3: you know, And and that's that right, that's that's that's

483
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 3: a one measuring stick. The fact that the Cardinals have

484
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 3: been won the turnover battle in every single game they've had.

485
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Speaker 3: They they've they've they're they're blowing away teams and explosives

486
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Speaker 3: against and compared to what they're getting.

487
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Speaker 2: Yep.

488
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Speaker 3: I mean, the numbers are saying that this team is

489
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Speaker 3: in a good place, even if the record isn't quite

490
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Speaker 3: there yet.

491
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Speaker 2: Look at that Dallas team. That Dallas team that was

492
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Speaker 2: on that field in Week three reminded me of the

493
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 2: Cardinals a year ago. The team with the fast start

494
00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 2: was the Cardinals. The team with all the penalties, right,

495
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 2: that was Dallas. Right, Think about last year how many

496
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Speaker 2: slow starts with the Cardinals, how many times they are

497
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Speaker 2: plagued by penalties pre snap penalties? That was Dallas. There's

498
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Speaker 2: winning football quote winning behavior, as Jonathan Gannon says, and

499
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 2: then there's losing football. And if there's two things I

500
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,400
Speaker 2: can take away from three games, because no one has

501
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Speaker 2: any idea where the win loss record is gonna end

502
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Speaker 2: up Number one. The team is physical and the effort,

503
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Speaker 2: the intensity, the urgency is there, and I don't think

504
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Speaker 2: it's gonna wan. I think it's an absolute with this

505
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Speaker 2: coaching staff. And then number two, from what I can tell,

506
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Speaker 2: the football IQ is a lot higher than it used

507
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 2: to be in a lot of different ways. And whether

508
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Speaker 2: it was some of those plays in the offense and

509
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Speaker 2: the way you cited it, Danny, and the creativity and

510
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 2: for example, Rondell Moore goes forty five yards for the

511
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Speaker 2: touchdown not long after that, and the next possession maybe

512
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 2: is two possessions later, they use them as a decoy.

513
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Speaker 2: The whole defense flows towards Rondell Moore and James kind

514
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 2: of rips it for twenty six. So they're setting plays up.

515
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 2: There's actual premeditated thought to what's coming next, and like

516
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 2: a great Kyle Shanahan offense that's coming to town, the Cardinals,

517
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Speaker 2: at least so far, have been breaking their own tendencies

518
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 2: which high football IQ teams do, not using the tight

519
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Speaker 2: end nearly as much as you talked about, Danny.

520
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Speaker 4: I think too. Thinking about the wide receivers specifically, this

521
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:28,159
Speaker 4: game really looked like it was very personalized for the

522
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Speaker 4: skill sets of your top three receivers, with the space

523
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Speaker 4: and the size of Michael Wilson and the blocking that

524
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 4: he's been doing, utilizing Rondo More and his speed and

525
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,360
Speaker 4: his ball security out of the backfield. His forty five

526
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:46,640
Speaker 4: yard touchdown run out of the backfield completely untouched by

527
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 4: a Cowboys defender, and not because nobody was near him.

528
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 4: There were about five defenders that were near Rondell. He

529
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Speaker 4: was just zipping in and out between them, not even touched.

530
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Speaker 4: And then Hollywood Brown. This was a really really good game,

531
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Speaker 4: not just by him, but I think the game plan

532
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 4: and how he was used and his speed and really

533
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 4: using him as that number one receiver in his ability

534
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 4: to create space and be reliable. So I think that

535
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Speaker 4: was impressive. Was it really stood out to me? Of Look,

536
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 4: of course, you're not going to just game plan for

537
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:20,479
Speaker 4: simply specific players the entire way through the game. In

538
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 4: case as defensive corner, Nick Rolis would say, somebody loses

539
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 4: their shoe or somebody isn't winning their battles, that is

540
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 4: code for injury. If you did not listen to Rallis's

541
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Speaker 4: press conference Wednesday, But I do think it is impressive

542
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,239
Speaker 4: what offensive corner Drew Petsying Jonathan Gannon. This staff as

543
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,719
Speaker 4: a whole is doing to where you are really using

544
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Speaker 4: what each receiver does well, and it's meshing very well

545
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 4: with this offense as a whole. It's meshing with how

546
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,199
Speaker 4: you are utilizing James Connor. It's meshing with what Josh

547
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 4: Dobbs is doing well so far, either opportunities with his

548
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 4: legs or the throws he's able to make. That's what

549
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 4: was impressive to me when I look at this offense

550
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 4: in these wide receivers, was how everybody was used and

551
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 4: used together.

552
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 2: So let me ask you, this is the best use

553
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 2: of Rondale Moore instead of receiver as a running back.

554
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 2: Rondale Moore was really quiet the first two weeks, right

555
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,199
Speaker 2: bac I almost asked a question going into the Dallas

556
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Speaker 2: game of the head coach, I would you assess number

557
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 2: four and what the production you've gotten out of him

558
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 2: and the targets and people like us who've been in

559
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 2: the media side, what have we said like throughout August? Right, Well, geez,

560
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 2: they can really use a speed running back. They could

561
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 2: really use a change of pace guy with some serious

562
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 2: jets at running back. Make someone miss Elusive. Maybe that's

563
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 2: Rondeale Moore.

564
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Speaker 3: It's funny because somebody talked about the play that he

565
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 3: had and the running the touchdown run. And there's a

566
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 3: long time fantasy football expert that I follow on Twitter

567
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 3: and he is banging drum for a while that Rondelle

568
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 3: Moore should be Austin Eckler.

569
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Speaker 2: Wow.

570
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Speaker 3: Now I have not looked at their size enough because

571
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 3: there was a lot of people saying, well, Rondelle Moore

572
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 3: wouldn't be able to stand up to the pounding, and

573
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 3: I'm unfortunately Austin Eckler hasn't either. He's injured right now

574
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 3: in fact, and I'd be curious to see physically how

575
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 3: they would measure up. But that definitely caught my attention.

576
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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not an expert in Austin Eckler, but

577
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 2: I will say that he's renowned for workout videos. Right,

578
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 2: He's an absolute like workout beast. But then think about

579
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 2: Rondelle Moore. The dude squatted six hundred pounds at per due,

580
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 2: So I mean in terms of strength and pound for pound,

581
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Speaker 2: just physicality, he has that in his corner. If Rondelle

582
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Speaker 2: Moore was here right now, I'd say two things. One man,

583
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 2: am I sorry all apologies for you know, being there

584
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 2: on the sideline not getting out of your way. And

585
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 2: number two, how do you feel about being a possible

586
00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 2: running back? What do you think about that? A change

587
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 2: of paced running back? Has Kyle Shanahan not used those

588
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 2: in the past, like the Raheem Mosterts and guys like that, Right, Well.

589
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 3: I mean again, I think we're moving. We're moving to

590
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 3: a time when tight ends can work out of the backfield,

591
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 3: and running backs can work out of the backfield, and

592
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 3: wide receivers like Keenan Allen can throw forty nine yard

593
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 3: touchdown passes and like I don't, I don't. There's no

594
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 3: law that says you can't use ronnelle Moore as a

595
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 3: running back half the time and still call him a

596
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 3: wide receiver. Sure, but I just think one of the

597
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 3: things that I've enjoyed out of this offense, and you

598
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 3: guys have already kind of touched on it, is the

599
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 3: idea that we are going to do different things depending

600
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 3: on the opponent. Every coach I've ever covered has said

601
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 3: something like that, but this is the first time I've

602
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 3: really felt, I mean, zach Ertz was the top targeted

603
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 3: guy for two weeks and he was almost invisible the

604
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 3: other day, and not because he wasn't blocking or doing stuff,

605
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 3: but they just weren't throwing to him. There were three

606
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 3: targets between him and Trey McBride, you know, Hollywood Brown.

607
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 3: I think some days days is it's gonna make sense

608
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 3: to throw to him a bunch of times, and some

609
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 3: days it's not. Some days it's gonna make sense to

610
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 3: have Rondelle More in the backfield, some days it's not.

611
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Speaker 3: And I like the idea that the other team is

612
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 3: going to be guessing. And I don't think that the

613
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Speaker 3: thing that we're gonna have a tough time out because

614
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Speaker 3: this crossed my mind, the Austin Eckler thing I thought

615
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Speaker 3: about bringing up to Drew Petsing in his press conference.

616
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Speaker 3: We're not going to get that answer, Jonathan Gannon ain't

617
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Speaker 3: making that, isn't going to answer that.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 3: In fact, somebody asked him the other day, when when

620
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Speaker 3: did it come to your head that you were going

621
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Speaker 3: to start using Rondale More in the backfield? And all

622
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Speaker 3: he said, very abruptly and bluntly, otias and that's all

623
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Speaker 3: he said. So we're not going to get any kind

624
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Speaker 3: of strong answers about this stuff. We're gonna have to

625
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Speaker 3: see how it plays out, but I certainly would expect

626
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Speaker 3: to see him there again.

627
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Speaker 2: Here's what we do know. The Cardinals have the most

628
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Speaker 2: rushing yards as a team since nineteen eighty eight, since

629
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Speaker 2: Ron Wolfley was the lead full back in that run game. Okay, Cardinals'

630
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 2: rushing attack through three games is averaging five point six

631
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 2: yards of carry, almost number two, only behind Miami after

632
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 2: that ridiculous seventy burger where they're averaging more than six

633
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 2: yards of carry. James Connor himself is number two behind

634
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 2: this week's featured running back for the Niners, Christian McCaffrey.

635
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 2: Connor's averaging five point two yards of carry. Of course,

636
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 2: Cardinals are coming off a game where they average seven

637
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 2: point four yards of carry against the NFL's number one

638
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 2: rank defense going into Week three. And here's what's remarkable

639
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 2: to me. The Cardinals already have an NFL best eight

640
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 2: runs of twenty or more yards. Do you know how

641
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 2: many of they had all of last year.

642
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Speaker 4: I don't want to ruin the fund because I do

643
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Speaker 4: know this because I use the same stat on the

644
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Speaker 4: live stream morning scramble on my mor yep, nine nine.

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Speaker 2: So you've almost matched the entire total for last year

646
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Speaker 2: of runs of twenty plus yards.

647
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Speaker 4: And well there's also only one other player player above

648
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Speaker 4: James Connor, who's averaging more yards per carry, and that's

649
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 4: Christian McCaffrey.

650
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Speaker 2: Yep. So hashtag cram that vertical? Right, I mean, my goodness.

651
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Speaker 3: That's right. Have you got those T shirts made yet? Paul?

652
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Speaker 2: I have not. I can't decide between. I think on

653
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 2: one side's gonna say, cram at vertical and then the

654
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 2: other side's gonna say it's a mindset. So it's sort

655
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 2: of an evolving thing, you know. That's the whole names Connor.

656
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 3: Do your Heisia T shirts? Are those?

657
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 2: Are those? And so stop it?

658
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 3: Other country? Now?

659
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're along with the number nine jerseys. No, don't

660
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 2: bring that up. So look, here's the deal. You have

661
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 2: a Cardinals team that now is one and two. They

662
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 2: have the run game. What are we gonna see against

663
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers? Oh, by the way, it's the

664
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 2: latest game against the best front seven in the NFL.

665
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 2: You've gone from Dallas now to the forty nine ers

666
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 2: with Nick Bosa and Javon Hargrave and Javon kin Logs

667
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 2: finally balling out like a first round er. Drake Jackson,

668
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 2: their second round of last year, had three sacks in

669
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 2: the first game the year, and then all by the way,

670
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 2: probably the best middle linebacker in the game. And Fred Warner,

671
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 2: by the way, speaking a middle linebacker. That brings us

672
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 2: back to the Cardinals. Do 'tough about this thinking forty

673
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 2: nine ers? How about Kaizer White?

674
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 4: I mean might be the off season acquisition. Yes, I mean, look,

675
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 4: we're not talking. Josh Jobs is already obviously right that

676
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 4: that trade has been playing well. But I'm saying, as

677
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 4: the free agent that you picked up, I mean, Kaiser

678
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 4: White has been phenomenal flying around the field for this defense.

679
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 2: This defense is playing fast and that's not us. That's

680
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 2: the Giants going into week two. What they saw on

681
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 2: the Washington game film. That's Dallas, what they saw in

682
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 2: the first two games. That's your year from the opposing offenses. Now,

683
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 2: the Cardinals defense, the first word they say fast, And

684
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 2: as Jonathan Gannon told us on his TV show this week,

685
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 2: it's not just playing fast like team speed, which the

686
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 2: Cardinals have. And Kaizer White is a sideline a sideline guy.

687
00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 2: It's the ability to process and make plays fast, to

688
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 2: get into coverage is fast, to make your checks and

689
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 2: adapt to what the offense is doing and react quickly.

690
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 2: And that's what we heard in the offseason, at least

691
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 2: we heard a little hint towards it, when guys like

692
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 2: Jalen Thompson would say we're playing more free now, almost

693
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 2: like they've been unlocked in some ways.

694
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 3: Yes, and with Kaiser White especially, I mean, this is

695
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 3: a guy and I know you've talked about it before, Paul,

696
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 3: this is a guy who played a certain way in

697
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 3: his best years and didn't quite get to that spot

698
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 3: when he was playing for the Eagles last year, and

699
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 3: now he's more back to what he really loves to do.

700
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 3: And it shows. And this guy is a better player

701
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 3: than I thought he was. And he's been fantastic on

702
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 3: an emotional level, on a football mentality level, and just

703
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 3: on a leadership level. I mean, they got a diamond

704
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 3: with him.

705
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: You should see him work the sideline. He's talking to everyone,

706
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 2: you know, especially the dbs, especially the defense of linemen.

707
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 2: The way I mean it was after we ran into

708
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 2: a couple of the Cardinals team leaders on defense not

709
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 2: named Kaiser White, it was after the Washington loss, And

710
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 2: the first thing they mentioned wasn't necessarily the scheme or

711
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 2: the performance, it was how Kaiser White had called the game,

712
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 2: that the calls were in early, that checks were made immediately,

713
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 2: so the Cardinals are in position, they're able to make

714
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 2: plays and react, not scrambling to cover. Oh wait, you

715
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 2: have him right before the ball is snapped, And we

716
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 2: saw a lot of that the last couple of years.

717
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 2: That's no longer an issue. So you can't play fast

718
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 2: unless you have the alignment and assignment down and Kaiser White,

719
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 2: in a very underrated way, has been integral to that process.

720
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 2: So right now, there's no question he's the defensive MVP

721
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 2: of this team for all those reasons, not to mention

722
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 2: he had fourteen tackles in a game ceiling pick in

723
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 2: this last game.

724
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 4: And there's a lot of times he's the only true

725
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 4: linebacker really out there. I mean, it's just been great.

726
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 4: And we've said this not just about Kaiser White, but

727
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 4: team as a whole. I know we've talked about this

728
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 4: with the rookies and the fact that every drafted rookie

729
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,760
Speaker 4: made the team, and just the way that this coaching

730
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 4: staff is seeming to get the most out of those players.

731
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 4: And sometimes when you get the most out of a player,

732
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 4: it doesn't necessarily mean that they are going to be

733
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 4: an impact player for the scheme you're running and who

734
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 4: you have out there. But that doesn't seem to be

735
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 4: the case from what this coaching staff is getting from

736
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 4: their players like Kaisier White, it seems like they are

737
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 4: not only getting the most from those players, but what

738
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 4: they are getting is fitting what they want to get

739
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 4: done out on the field. It's been very impressive the

740
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 4: way he has clearly been a vocal leader led by

741
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 4: his play out there. That is someone you need. You

742
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 4: need someone to have that passion, that energy, that heart,

743
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 4: especially when you don't have Buddha Baker out on the

744
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 4: field who's still dealing with a hamstring.

745
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,919
Speaker 2: And that might be my biggest fear in this game

746
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 2: against the forty nine ers, no Buddha Baker. The team

747
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 2: tackling it was an issue at times. Against Dallas it

748
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 2: was and.

749
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 4: The Greco Dado run that should have been two yards

750
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 4: that was nine. I think I counted seven Cardinals defenders.

751
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 2: And you know what, against the forty nine ers, it's

752
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,760
Speaker 2: probably a touchdown if it's Christian McCaffery or Deebo, Samuel,

753
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 2: you're not living to tell about that and play another down.

754
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 2: That ball's in the end zone. Nobody breaks tackles, nobody

755
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 2: has yards after the catch. You can check the stats,

756
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 2: like the forty nine ers, brock Party threw for over

757
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 2: three hundred yards in this last game. Seventy percent of

758
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 2: those passing yards or yards after the catch. Twice they

759
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 2: had third and double digits. It was third and twelve,

760
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 2: third and fifteen. I believe it was third and ten,

761
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: plus both times he threw the ball behind the line

762
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 2: of scrimmage they got first downs. Deebo did it once,

763
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 2: Christian McCaffrey did it once. So if you don't go

764
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 2: to the forty nine ers and you don't bring your tackling,

765
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 2: you're done. And without Buddha Baker, that's a concern. It's

766
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 2: a legitimate concern.

767
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 3: It is. It is, And one of the things that

768
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 3: I really liked about this team the first two games

769
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 3: was the tackling. Unfortunately, in the Giants game in the

770
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 3: second half, I thought the tackling was relatively sound. The

771
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 3: problem was the Giants were getting wide open fifteen to

772
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 3: twenty yards down the field.

773
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 2: First Yeah, but it was after a pass to the

774
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 2: third level, y you tackle them.

775
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 3: The Cowboys game was the first game where I'm like, Okay,

776
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 3: you guys got to be better. So I don't. It's

777
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 3: a small sample size, and I do feel like they've

778
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 3: done a nice job tackling, but I absolutely agree with

779
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 3: you. You know, look, there's a lot of stuff that goes

780
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 3: into this game this weekend. And you feel better because

781
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 3: you're coming off a win and you played pretty well,

782
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 3: and we talked about the numbers, but going to San

783
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 3: Francisco playing a team that's playing like they are right

784
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 3: now on both sides of the ball, they have very

785
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 3: few holes. There's two teams in the league right now,

786
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 3: you're like, okay, it's the forty nine ers and it's

787
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 3: the Eagles, and that's that's where they are right now,

788
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,240
Speaker 3: and they get to play those teams three times still.

789
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 3: So you know, when we talk about measuring sticks and

790
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,720
Speaker 3: where this team is, you want to continue to compete

791
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 3: and trend upwards, but you're going to have some significant tests. Now.

792
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 3: We thought the Cowboys were one of those significant tests,

793
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 3: and I think it was, but I don't know if

794
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 3: the Cowboys, especially with some of those injuries are on

795
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 3: the same level. We're going to get a real nice barometer.

796
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 4: Here, But I will say I do think yes as

797
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 4: a whole in terms of comparing or not comparing, but

798
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 4: looking at how much for true tess this game was

799
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 4: against the Cowboys, I think when you narrow it down

800
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 4: the way that this offensive line and the tight ends

801
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 4: were blocking against a very powerful pass rush with DeMarcus Lawrence,

802
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,479
Speaker 4: but mostly with Micah Parsons, who's able to move around

803
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 4: from linebacker all across the defensive line has been arguably

804
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 4: the best defender in the league. For the first three weeks,

805
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 4: he was essentially a non factor. He had one sack,

806
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 4: he had I think maybe two quarterback hits, maybe a

807
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 4: tackle for loss. I think those were the numbers, but

808
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 4: very low for what Parsons was putting up the first

809
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 4: two weeks. And that's impressive that you have that blocking.

810
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 4: Josh Dobbs had that timing. So I think if you're

811
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 4: looking for something specific, I know that the Cowboys defense

812
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 4: was dealing with some injuries and things of that nature,

813
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 4: but I think the fact that this Cardinals offense did

814
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 4: such a good job against that pass rush and keeping

815
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 4: the pocket clean for Dobbs Big.

816
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 2: One and his escapability, Right, how many times did he

817
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 2: buy time and extend the play? And then you realize,

818
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 2: and it's continually reinforced by Jonathan Ganyon. They really value

819
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 2: the ability of a quarterback to make place with his legs,

820
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 2: and you realize why the trade was made, why they

821
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 2: went after him, why they moved away from thirty seven

822
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 2: year old Cole McCoy, because he didn't add that dimension

823
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 2: to his game.

824
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 3: I mean, Jonathan Gannon said he doesn't think you can

825
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 3: make it in the NFL right now if you don't

826
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 3: have an offense with that kind of ability.

827
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 2: But from your quarterback, you know Brock Purty really well,

828
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 2: right from his days in Arizona? Is he that guy?

829
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 2: How mobile is he? How capable is he of escaping

830
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 2: the past rush? I mean, I'm curious to see him

831
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 2: up close and personal in this game and get a

832
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 2: real read. Now. Obviously there's a lot to like. He's

833
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 2: won all eight of his regular season games, he's won

834
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 2: two playoff games.

835
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,479
Speaker 3: It's from mark he'son finale. Wasn't good enough for your.

836
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got a and you know what, honestly, of

837
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 2: all the games played so far, and that Dallas win

838
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 2: was glorious, There's no doubt about it. You got to

839
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 2: compete in your division. And there's always many reasons why

840
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 2: a coaching change is made in the first place, but

841
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 2: one of the big reasons is how you compare to

842
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,760
Speaker 2: the rest of your division. And the two games against

843
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers last year were not competitive, No,

844
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 2: they were not. So okay, how radio are the Cardinals

845
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 2: to compete against the forty nine ers team that's three

846
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 2: and zero for only the second time in the last

847
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 2: twenty five years. That's remarkable. How competitive will this game be?

848
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 2: And honestly, I think we can say this we're in

849
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 2: the trust tree right here. Kyle Shannan's scheme has made

850
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 2: the Cardinals look really bad at times over the last

851
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 2: five years.

852
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 4: I really don't appreciate you, me, you making me kind

853
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 4: of relive and rethink that Mexico City game against the

854
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 4: forty nine ers right now.

855
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 2: Paul, exactly. It was raining that game in more ways

856
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 2: than one, and so I'm really curious to see just

857
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 2: the game plan, especially it was you who asked it,

858
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 2: Darren in the Prescoonmas with Nick Ralis. I mean, these coaches,

859
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,720
Speaker 2: especially on defense, spent all that time in the NFC

860
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 2: Championship game, getting ready, getting ready for the Niners. It's

861
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 2: a great observation how much I mean that was just

862
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 2: a hot second ago where they failed this team.

863
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 3: I mean, you had a chance, and I know Brock

864
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 3: Purdy got hurt early in that game so they didn't

865
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 3: have to deal with them, But certainly the preparation was

866
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 3: all for Brock Party.

867
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 2: And how much of the game plan is still left

868
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 2: that they never showed against Brock Purty.

869
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 3: I think that's a fantastic Now you got completely different

870
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 3: personnel than you did in filling out true, so you're

871
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 3: gonna have to approach it a lot more differently.

872
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: You don't have the defensive line.

873
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 4: The forty nine ers have had an entire offseason now

874
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 4: to work with Party.

875
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 3: It was interesting to hear Nick Raalis say in the

876
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 3: offseason he did like a whole work up on the

877
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 3: forty nine ers. Now maybe he did that on all

878
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 3: three division foes, knowing that you're gonna face them twice

879
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:18,240
Speaker 3: a year. But the Party thing is fascinating. I will

880
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 3: I'll not lie. There was a part of me coming

881
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 3: into this season I'm like, Okay, was it a lightning

882
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 3: in the bottle kind of situation last year. It sure

883
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 3: didn't look like it. It does feel exact, and Nick

884
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 3: Raalis said it, it feels like he is the exact

885
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 3: perfect quarterback for what Kyle Shanahan wants to do, and

886
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 3: he executes it so perfectly with the personnel around him,

887
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,919
Speaker 3: and they're they're just set up in so many good ways.

888
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 3: And I'll be again fascinated to see on both sides

889
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 3: of the ball. You know how Drew Petsing attacks this

890
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 3: excellent forty nine ers defense because he did such a

891
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 3: smart job going right at Michah Parsons a lot of

892
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 3: the time last week. What do you do the same

893
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 3: thing with Nick Bosa? And then on the other side

894
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 3: of the ball, how do you handle Rock Purty? Can

895
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 3: you keep your eyes in the right place? Can you

896
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 3: be honest? Is your defense gonna stay honest, Paul, because

897
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 3: obviously you thought a lot about that. Nick Rols did not.

898
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 2: Here we go. Yeah, that was a question that I

899
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 2: should have just sat on at the end of the

900
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,959
Speaker 2: press comments. He didn't get it. You know What's what's

901
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,959
Speaker 2: ironical a little bit as I posed the exact same

902
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 2: question to Jonathan Gannon on his TV show and he

903
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 2: immediately answered, he immediately understood what I was talking about.

904
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 2: It was I mean, I didn't even have to finish

905
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,240
Speaker 2: the question, and he jumped all over it and it failed.

906
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 2: Epic failed with Nick Rolis, who looked utterly confused by

907
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 2: what I was trying to drive at.

908
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 4: Do we have any plans to give some love to

909
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 4: special teams on this episode?

910
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you for changing the topic again, Danny.

911
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 4: Right there, a sixty two yarder from Matt Prater to

912
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 4: end the half.

913
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 2: Okay, and be honest, when he left his foot, you thought,

914
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 2: no chance, no chance, that was a scud missile. That

915
00:44:58,880 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 2: was like a service there.

916
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 4: Miss am on me for not believing in Matt Prayer.

917
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 4: Shame on me for not believing that Jeff Rogers and

918
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 4: Jonathan Gannon knew what you know they were doing, and

919
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 4: trust and he can make that.

920
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 3: Matt Prater admitted after the game. As soon as he

921
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 3: kicked it, he goes, that's not going in. So you did,

922
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 3: I asked him after the game. I said, I said

923
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 3: the laces were in? How much? And he goes, wow,

924
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 3: He goes, I'm gonna be honest, he goes, when I

925
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 3: kicked it, I'm like I don't think that has enough

926
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,280
Speaker 3: to get there. He goes and I couldn't see anything

927
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 3: until the until the guys put their arms up, I

928
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 3: didn't know if it was good or not.

929
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 4: To me, a kicker is similar to an offensive lineman

930
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 4: in the sense that you don't want to be talked about.

931
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 4: Typically when you are getting called out, it's not for

932
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 4: a good thing. And I think you have asked this

933
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 4: question to special teams coordinator Jeff Rodgers before Darren of

934
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 4: does it feel like there's an expectation now, at least

935
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 4: from fans, that kickers are expected to go and make

936
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 4: every single kick, And that's kind of what it feels like.

937
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 3: That's because it is.

938
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 4: And I just don't want Cardinals fans to take for

939
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 4: granted how reliable and powerful Matt Prader has been consistently.

940
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 4: Is he perfect? No, right, we know that from the

941
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,959
Speaker 4: numbers of recently missing against the Giants that first field goal.

942
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 4: But he is consistent, He is reliable, and even going

943
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 4: back to the Giants a great example, it didn't get

944
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:19,959
Speaker 4: in his head. A lot of kickers. You miss something

945
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 4: like that, especially on the first drive, it's going to

946
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 4: be hard for you mentally to come back and finish

947
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 4: the game on a high note, and Matt Prader had

948
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 4: no problem doing that. So I wanted to at least

949
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 4: make sure we gave special teams, especially Matt Prader love

950
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 4: just because that was incredible and he leads the league

951
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 4: for most field goals.

952
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, he is the NFL record for most fifty yard field.

953
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,240
Speaker 4: Goals by a long shot.

954
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,439
Speaker 3: Also, if we're doing special teams, love quick shout out

955
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 3: to Greg Derch who had like whatever it was, seventeen

956
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 3: nineteen yard punt return right right before halftime that if

957
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 3: he doesn't do that punt return, they probably don't try

958
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,280
Speaker 3: and go after that sixty two yard.

959
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 2: Field In fact, that's the film room play of the

960
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 2: Week play at the game on Game Plan Jonathan Gannon's

961
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 2: TV show is Jeff Rodgers is gonna go ahead and

962
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 2: draw up that punt return by Greg Dortrech before halftime

963
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 2: that made the sixty two yard field goal possible. What's

964
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 2: remarkable to is did you see the end of the

965
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 2: Ravens gamer in overtime Justin Tucker missed came up short

966
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 2: on the sixty one yarder. The best kicker in the game,

967
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,760
Speaker 2: arguably the best kicker in the history of the NFL,

968
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 2: and I don't even think it's arguable. Okay, yes, he

969
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 2: hit it clean. I mean it was beautiful. It was like,

970
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 2: you know, he hit that driver straight down the fairway.

971
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 2: You're like all that, No, it was short.

972
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 3: Well, again, Jeff Rodgers talked about in his press conference

973
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 3: this week, it was outdoors. There was a little bit

974
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 3: of rain. I think when you're outdoors that changes the

975
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 3: equation a little bit. And this is going on that

976
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 3: it goes back to what Danny just brought up and

977
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 3: I did ask Jeff Rodgers earlier this year about fans

978
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 3: getting angry when kickers miss a field goal, like they're

979
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 3: going to make one hundred percent of them. You know,

980
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 3: I'm old enough that when I first started watching the NFL,

981
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 3: if a kicker was making sixty percent of his field goals,

982
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 3: that was considered pretty good. Yes, true, and in fact

983
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 3: a lot. And then I was watching you know people,

984
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 3: they were incredulous, like you were that Tucker missed a

985
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 3: sixty one yard field goal, where it's like, what's upon time.

986
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 3: We'd be like, okay, this this stretches the bounds of

987
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 3: real life. And you're I'm not saying you're wrong, we

988
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 3: absolutely expect him to make it because he's done it

989
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,760
Speaker 3: and he's so good. But it's like sixty one yards

990
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 3: that's not nothing.

991
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 2: And I'm just saying it was so clean. He hit

992
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 2: us so high and straight and and missed, whereas Praterers

993
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 2: was the low scud missile and you're like, hows and

994
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 2: it got through again.

995
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 3: There's there's different things that go in. I saw when

996
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 3: I was watching Monday night football games this week. I

997
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 3: forget who they were talking about, but they were breaking

998
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 3: down the kicker like Evan mc McPherson of the Bengals

999
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,439
Speaker 3: is made like freaking eighty five percent of his fifty

1000
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,720
Speaker 3: yard field goals in his career. And that's why fans

1001
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 3: get upset, was because these guys are so good right

1002
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 3: that they've set the bar way high.

1003
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 4: We have referenced a lot of what the coordinator said,

1004
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 4: So I just want to say if you have an

1005
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 4: interest of hearing their full press conferences, they're on our

1006
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 4: official YouTube channel. All three coordinators talk Tuesday late morning.

1007
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 2: And by the way, if you don't appreciate Matt Prater, hello,

1008
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 2: you need to go back to last year when the

1009
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 2: Cardinals were so injured. How injured were they not only

1010
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 2: did they use eighty four different players last year, but

1011
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 2: they had four different kickers over the course of last season.

1012
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 2: So go ahead and check out how those results were.

1013
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 2: The three other guys not named Matt Prater.

1014
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,439
Speaker 3: I had fans in the offseason saying that they thought

1015
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,439
Speaker 3: Prader didn't was bad and he missed too many field

1016
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 3: goals last year. I'm like, are you just thinking of

1017
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 3: the kickers? You're talking about Matt Prater? Because Matt Prater

1018
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 3: had his best season in like six years last year

1019
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 3: in terms of percentage.

1020
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 2: So all right, there we go. What else do we

1021
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 2: leave out? Anything? We leave out here? Three in the

1022
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 2: next four against the division. So you get the Niners,

1023
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 2: then you get Cincinnati at home, then you go to

1024
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 2: the Rams to the Seahawks, and not.

1025
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 3: Only three or four, but all of them are on

1026
00:49:58,280 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 3: the road.

1027
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 2: Well that like the Diamondbacks finishing out their season by

1028
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 2: plane the Chicago White Sox, Like who devised that schedule?

1029
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 2: In Major League Baseball? You're down the stretch, you're fighting

1030
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 2: for a playoff spotting in Chicago to play the White Sox,

1031
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 2: and the final few games of the year.

1032
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 3: I think that's that's no comprenda that's a fair question.

1033
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 2: I don't really get that at all.

1034
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 3: Could you stay out of the way this week so

1035
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 3: you don't get hit?

1036
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 2: Believe me, I'm gonna stay way out of it. You know.

1037
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 2: I did regret earlier today. I might have speaking of

1038
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 2: scud missiles. I might have fired off a few text

1039
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 2: messages to a few of my forty nine or loving buddies.

1040
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 2: Well boy, I might have sent off a text messager

1041
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 2: too that we're coming to NorCal to go ahead and

1042
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 2: beat down your silk and Valley candy asses. I met me.

1043
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 2: I really, I you know, it's just the trash talk

1044
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 2: is not.

1045
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 4: Becoming really speaking of I was on Well This podcast obviously,

1046
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 4: and then I do Cover two with Craig Greel on Wednesdays.

1047
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 4: In both podcasts last week was asked what my family

1048
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 4: was going to wear since I'm from Dallas. Family are

1049
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 4: Cowboys fans. I used to work for the Cowboys, and

1050
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 4: I'm very surprised and proud to say that my parents.

1051
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 4: I was expecting my dad to be like half and

1052
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 4: half Nope, full Cardinals gear, like.

1053
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 3: Only after he attacked me on Twitter. But that's fine.

1054
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 4: I don't think it was an attack, so I just

1055
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 4: I just wanted to let everybody know because apparently everyone's

1056
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:20,439
Speaker 4: very concerned what my family is going to be wearing.

1057
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 4: So while it was still like pretty split across the

1058
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 4: board in terms of you know, when you counted siblings

1059
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 4: and aunts, uncles, cousins and whatever, but my parents, really

1060
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 4: I am more surprised by my dad just full Cardinals gear, which,

1061
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 4: of course they were going to be happy either way.

1062
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 4: Of My dad said, looked like you were a great winner,

1063
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 4: Like we're happy you won. We care about your happiness.

1064
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 4: So I will say that that went overde was a

1065
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 4: nice little personal victory.

1066
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 2: Where's the tweet with Dad and his Cardinals? Geared? Did

1067
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 2: you see before the game? Before the game? But did

1068
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 2: the end did he eventually send out like what he

1069
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 2: was wearing.

1070
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 4: No, he did not. I just I facedtime them after

1071
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 4: the game and he was wearing his Cardinals. Polo tweeted

1072
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 4: out and put up there already disappointed you.

1073
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 2: Props the pops, you know, just going yeah, just throw

1074
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 2: it out there.

1075
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 3: Listens. So he does, listen, my dad.

1076
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 2: So Danny made the mail bag, by the way, this

1077
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 2: is oh no, got that good or bad?

1078
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 3: Well? I mean, people just love Danny and they love

1079
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 3: bringing her up, so why wouldn't I.

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Speaker 4: Darren's answer was amazing, really Okay, should we leave it

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Speaker 4: a mystery for people to go read it or do

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Speaker 4: you want to talk about it?

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Speaker 2: You guys are the experts, are driving clicks, So you know,

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Speaker 2: if you want to, if you want to risk Dan

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Speaker 2: Landing ripping you the Oregon football coach, then you can

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Speaker 2: go ahead at your own at your own risk, throw

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Speaker 2: it out there. Clicks or no clicks.

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Speaker 4: I mean Darren's ever said, I wasn't tough.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 4: Somebody, uh, which was very kind, had asked how many

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Speaker 4: picks the Cardinals gave up to poach me from the

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Speaker 4: Cowboys in twenty twenty one? That's good and Darren, and

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Speaker 4: his lovingly witty response per usual, said, you know, we

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Speaker 4: lucked out because she was actually a free agent, So

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Speaker 4: we have pretty much won that scenario, I'll say, and

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Speaker 4: more or less that's a nice way to put it.

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Speaker 4: Darren basically said, we won the scenario.

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Speaker 2: Compis, though, do we have to give up compics because

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Speaker 2: the agents signing no, no such thing.

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Speaker 3: Work beyond that, they don't have to give up any picks,

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Speaker 3: and the Cowboys are still chasing their.

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Speaker 2: Tail Okay, it's good once again. It was a Pentagon

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Speaker 2: report in twenty twenty one, and officials did not rule

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Speaker 2: out the possibility that the objects in question in the

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Speaker 2: possession of the American government are quote, extraterrestrial.

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Speaker 4: I feel like we should change the name from Cardinals

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Speaker 4: Underground to Cardinals over Space.

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Speaker 2: Yeah something, Josh Dobbs, that question is coming. I just

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Speaker 2: have to figure out the opportune moment, and it's got

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Speaker 2: to go better than My question to Nick rollis that'll

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