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Speaker 1: Happy holidays, rain drops. So look before you, guys, continue

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Speaker 1: to you know, enjoy your holiday and all those things.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Carlos King never takes a break, So of course I

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Speaker 1: had to get on vacation to talk to my girl

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Speaker 1: because baby, a lot is going on and we cannot

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Speaker 1: bring in the new year with mess. So ladies jump

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Speaker 1: to mcgay's and days give it up for Charisse Jackson

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Speaker 1: Jordan a Potomac.

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Speaker 3: Hey, hey, rain drops, I love your rain jobs.

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Speaker 2: Actually they love you. So how's your holiday going, boob?

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Speaker 4: It's going pretty good. I'm with family. So this is

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Speaker 4: my first holiday in a long time being in New Jersey.

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Speaker 4: So I have siblings here, Nissa's nephews, and I've i

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Speaker 4: spent Thanksgiving, my first Thanksgiving with them.

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Speaker 3: I'm spending Christmas.

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Speaker 4: I may bring it in a year, might go back

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Speaker 4: to Maryland the new Year, and I'm really sure, but

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Speaker 4: I love it.

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Speaker 3: It's been really good. Got a little snow, you know,

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Speaker 3: so it's cute.

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Speaker 2: And I tell you was also cute. What that blond baby?

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Speaker 4: Yes, they say blondes have more fun. So I'm a testament.

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Speaker 1: So wait, so is this what the what Gisellekaron call

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Speaker 1: the color, is it the bee.

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Speaker 3: Don't get me lying. I don't know none of those things.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. That is not my ministry.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Okay. That's how I learned a little a

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Speaker 2: little bit or too.

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Speaker 1: About blonde hair, baby, because there was a whole drama

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Speaker 1: about whether or not people are sitting in the blonde.

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Speaker 2: But the blonde looks really good on you.

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Speaker 1: So look, I wanted to make sure that you and

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Speaker 1: I spoke before the New year, because girl, your name

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Speaker 1: and the name of your son, Jackson, Okay, has been

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Speaker 1: everywhere due to listen, let's say you right into it,

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Speaker 1: due to Ashley's admission that she did hook up.

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Speaker 2: With your son. So before we get into what you

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Speaker 1: Social media, I want to go back to the day

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Speaker 1: you filmed that scene because it's a lot of people, Sharise,

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Speaker 1: who felt that, Okay, did she already know this? Were

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Speaker 1: you surprised on the first time on camera? Did your

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Speaker 1: the last episode where Ashley does tell you that she

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Speaker 1: and your son kissed, and then a lot of things

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Speaker 1: transpire after that that we'll get into yes.

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Speaker 4: So basically that was one of my first scenes, and

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Speaker 4: me finding out what's been going on with the girls.

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Speaker 4: This is what I thought it was, and I come

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Speaker 4: on to the scene rewind. I was very clear about

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Speaker 4: coming into filming. My intention was not to get into

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Speaker 4: when there's a confrontation that involves me, I'm always looked

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Speaker 4: It was fun, it was a lot of laughter, and

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Speaker 3: That was a great scene. Like, you know, these women

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Speaker 4: You finally get a friends scene that seems very genuine

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Speaker 4: I didn't believe her. I actually has been lying for

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Speaker 4: And in my head, I'm thinking, I know she is

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Speaker 3: This is what she tells me. That's all it was.

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Speaker 4: He initiated He like pulled her in or something. And

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Speaker 4: But okay, but I just I just didn't believe her, honestly,

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Speaker 2: Stop you there. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So when she tells you the day y'all tape the

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Speaker 1: scene that we saw, right, because of course this happened

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Speaker 1: months ago, So months ago, with your friend Ashley tells

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Speaker 2: She lies all the time, but not all the time.

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Speaker 2: You just say that she lies.

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Speaker 3: All the time. But go ahead, okay, she lies all

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Speaker 1: And you thought, like, Okay, this girl is deaf the

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Speaker 1: a month after, did you and your son Jackson ever

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Speaker 3: Okay? In all, honestly, because I really didn't believe her.

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Speaker 4: I never asked Jackson. I just said, oh I heard

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Speaker 4: I actually had the hots for you. That's what I said,

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Speaker 4: to the little cowboy thing they had, right, I did

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Speaker 4: not believe it when I was when I had Jackson

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Speaker 4: come to film that day. You know, my son wants

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Speaker 3: So I'm like, come on, I felt with me.

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Speaker 4: And then I'm like, maybe he really did kiss her, right,

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Speaker 3: It was a kiss, that's it.

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Speaker 4: But so I don't know why. Like I've read a

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Speaker 4: But if my grown son initiated something with her, where's

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Speaker 4: the why am I going off? This isn't a twenty

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Speaker 4: Ashley's not a not a bad looking girl. She's a hottie,

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Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So if I was my son,

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: So why would I get mad that my son took

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Speaker 4: She lied when she presented it. They wanted a reaction

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Speaker 3: They should have told the truth. The truth was she's well,

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Speaker 4: I still know. I don't know because I did. I

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Speaker 3: What is the motive?

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Speaker 4: You know, you you're that thirsty that you need to

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Speaker 4: think is something relevant to me is disgusting. Honestly, you

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Speaker 4: their friend's son. You know, it's just it's tacky. But again, Carlos,

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Speaker 4: I really didn't believe the story, and I think, honestly,

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Speaker 4: part of me wants to.

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Speaker 3: Be in denial about it, honestly because I don't want.

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Speaker 4: To believe that she could be that low to want

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Speaker 4: I saw him watch what Happened, Watch what Happened Live?

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Speaker 4: I always say that wrong, Watch what Happens Live? He

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Speaker 4: asked her, did I know? And then she said something

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Speaker 4: this is the shit you should have said when we

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Speaker 3: But now it's a whole, it's it's it's crazy.

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Speaker 1: So let's let let's talk about this. So Ashley did

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Speaker 1: go on watch Apples Live. She intimated that yours son,

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Speaker 1: and look, look grown Adolphs consenting adults ten your age.

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Speaker 2: Difference, they're grown.

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Speaker 1: So for you, it's less about your son allegedly, because

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Speaker 1: again you haven't asked Jackson, so we've never heard his

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Speaker 1: I'm assuming that Jackson is a type of guy who's

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Speaker 1: about the women he slept with.

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Speaker 2: Allegedly.

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Speaker 1: Is it more about the fact that you considered Ashley

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Speaker 4: Like even the mere fact that you'd go on national

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Speaker 4: just I just thought it was just tacky, like, why

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Speaker 4: Then Andy asked her did I know? Did she tell me?

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Speaker 4: And why why didn't she tell me? And she said

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Speaker 4: But you go on national television to tell me that

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Speaker 4: But now you're on the roll talking about a relationship.

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Speaker 4: If this was the other way around, and it was

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Speaker 4: It's just like I for me when she's telling me,

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Speaker 4: I'm in a sense thing about my own life at

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Speaker 4: twenty five. At twenty five, Carlos, do you know I

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Speaker 4: was dating their father? At twenty five he was in

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Speaker 4: the process of a divorce. He had two kids he

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Speaker 3: And I married that man.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So like I can't get mad at nothing anybody does, because.

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Speaker 3: Which was my child, you know what I'm saying. So

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Speaker 4: Saying, Like, I can't get mad at him for doing

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Speaker 4: But at the same time, it's how it was put

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Speaker 2: I thought it was.

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Speaker 4: It was low And for the record, my friends, none

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Speaker 1: Why even today haven't you spoken to Jackson about it?

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Speaker 4: It's like I remember years ago, it was Cynthia's fiftieth birthday.

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Speaker 4: And they were shady in real life just as they

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Speaker 4: It's so many things that real life stuff that I'm declined.

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Speaker 3: What's it was? The weirdest thing to me.

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Speaker 4: Literally, every time I went to a film, they were

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Speaker 1: So well, let me ask you this, Who do you

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Speaker 4: Because I think often these women they live their storylines, right,

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Speaker 3: It's just different. It's different.

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Speaker 4: It's not Atlanta. I don't know about the other shows.

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Speaker 3: I'm saying, what the truth?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well the end is you haven't asked Jackson about

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Speaker 2: Because you, number.

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Speaker 1: One, you said you don't talk to Jackson about or

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Speaker 3: No, I don't. I don't talk to anybody about what

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Speaker 1: But girl, with that, with that blode, honey, you maybe

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, if a thirty older, ten year older guy came

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Speaker 3: But in my head.

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Speaker 4: And one thing I will say, I stay in my head,

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Speaker 3: Oh, she's shesty, wants to you know, she wants a

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Speaker 4: I'm like, they have no idea how much I've literally

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Speaker 3: How was a poor Toomac?

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Speaker 2: Sarie?

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm just a messager, Okay, Okay, Well there

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Speaker 4: It's like just I you know, because I'm I have

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Speaker 3: I don't even want to hug them too tight, you

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00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 3: know what.

440
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,640
Speaker 4: I'm saying, because I just give a little little dap

441
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 4: or something, you know, but.

442
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,919
Speaker 3: I can't look at them in that way, you know.

443
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 4: And to take it a step further and to not

444
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 4: be ashamed of it and to tell the world about it,

445
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,439
Speaker 4: like that's something else, like if you really did do that,

446
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,400
Speaker 4: you should have just went to your grave with it

447
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 4: and not tell anybody. No one, we would not know

448
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 4: because Jackson for sure would not have told anybody, you know.

449
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 4: So yes, but Stacey was right on point.

450
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 2: Have you heard from Ashley all?

451
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 3: No, I have not. I was supposed to. She reminded

452
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 3: me to her holiday party, which I normally go every year.

453
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 3: I was sick this year.

454
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 2: Ah, you are sick of her or sick like I

455
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 2: was both?

456
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 4: I was both, But I'm glad I didn't go because

457
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 4: even then I didn't know the full story, you know

458
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. Like, so when one person had told

459
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 4: me that she was going around telling people that they

460
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 4: actually had, but I hadn't heard it anywhere else, So

461
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 4: that kind of.

462
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 3: Kind of changed.

463
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 4: I don't I really don't need to come to your

464
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 4: house now, you know ever.

465
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 5: But.

466
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 4: So I didn't go because I haven't talked to her,

467
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 4: like even as a friend. Again, if she's going to

468
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 4: go on these on this little press tour telling everybody

469
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,679
Speaker 4: she know my son, you would think she would at

470
00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 4: least have the decency to say to me, call me

471
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 4: up and say, hey girl, this is what's going down?

472
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying to me, it's like a

473
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 4: constant jab like every time she doesn't it's Carlos is disrespectful.

474
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 4: It is There's just no way you can sugarcoat it.

475
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 4: There's no way that I could. I mean again, yeah,

476
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,679
Speaker 4: he can do whatever he want to do, but in

477
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 4: terms of girl code and friendship, it's disrespectful. And to me,

478
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 4: it shows me how you feel about me as a friend,

479
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 4: because now you had you were willing to lose our

480
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 4: friendship over telling the world that you slept with my son.

481
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 4: It just tells me how you feel about me as

482
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 4: a person. It has nothing to do with Jackson at

483
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 4: this point. It has to do with how you value friendship,

484
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 4: your your mode of respect. You know, she has no

485
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 4: moral compass, you know, and it's it's it's sad.

486
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 2: When it comes to your friendship with Ashley.

487
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: Do you think you want to based on everything that's transpired,

488
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: do you believe that Ashley was ever your friend?

489
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 3: No?

490
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 4: No, I think one thing about me. I remember the

491
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,719
Speaker 4: first Christmas party and one of the Atlanta girls was

492
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 4: at the party and she said to me, you know,

493
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 4: because people know I'm I think people can see my innocence.

494
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 4: So she said to me, these are not your friends.

495
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 4: No one is your friend. And at the time they

496
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 4: all were my friends. I called Giselle. I mean, you know,

497
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 4: I'm the reason that the show was put to I

498
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 4: got the show together. Like, I'm really thinking, these are

499
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 4: my friends. They were up until we started doing that show.

500
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 4: And when she was saying it to me, I didn't, Oh,

501
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 4: she doesn't know me. You know, everybody likes sheris. You know,

502
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 4: I'm the fun girl and I'm a I love my

503
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 4: friends hard, so there's no room for questioning my loyalty

504
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 4: to you as a friend. I love my friends hard.

505
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 4: So I'm thinking, these are my girls used to my

506
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 4: road dogs, you know what I'm saying. Even when I

507
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 4: wasn't filming, we were still friends. We're still hanging out

508
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,959
Speaker 4: because they're my friends, you know, at least I thought.

509
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,439
Speaker 4: And then it's like this happens and it makes you

510
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 4: look back and other things start clicking and making sense, like, Okay, no,

511
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 4: she clearly was not ever my friend. She was a

512
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 4: coworkers they call it.

513
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: Is there any girl that's on the show right now

514
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: that you do consider friend?

515
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 4: Okay, So Stacey and I used to be friends before

516
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 4: the show. We were friends like friends. I met Stacey.

517
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 4: I know I was going through my divorce when she

518
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 4: and I were friends. We used to hang out whatever,

519
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 4: and I actually liked Stacy, by the way, But one

520
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 4: thing that the common denominator to all of my downfalls

521
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 4: with that show leads to one person that she'll remain nameless.

522
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 4: Got to her and gave their spit on everything, and

523
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 4: she when I came to film. First of all, let

524
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 4: me just tell you when the first season ended, I

525
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 4: reached out to Stacy. I was surprised Stacy didn't reach

526
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 4: out to me to tell me she's gonna be on

527
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 4: the show, which she doesn't have to, that's a prerogative.

528
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 4: But then after watching her on the show, I sent

529
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,479
Speaker 4: her text and I said, you know, congratulations, you were

530
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 4: breath of fresh air, because that's how I felt. She

531
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 4: has a breath of fresh air. She's like, oh my gosh,

532
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 4: she was. Let's get together. We went to dinner and

533
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 4: she was a little, you know, unsettled because how the

534
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 4: girls came at her, and you know, she was having

535
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 4: a hard time. And I sat down with Stacey and

536
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 4: gave her some hard, good advice. She listened to everything

537
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 4: I told her too, Okay, And I'm not giving myself

538
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 4: credit for her because she's.

539
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 3: Doing well, but she got it when I.

540
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 4: Shared with her, and she's like, oh, Sweetz, you should

541
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 4: come back. And I was like, it doesn't for me.

542
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 4: It's different for me, you know what I'm saying that

543
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 4: that thing, that ship didn't sale. But if I knew

544
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 4: what I do now, the outcome for me would have

545
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,959
Speaker 4: been a lot different. I was playing checkers, they were

546
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 4: playing chess, you know. And unfortunately, like for some reason,

547
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 4: when you get a new girl on a showy they

548
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 4: like to haze them and all the things, and it

549
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 4: seems a little insecure. I don't like a little insecurity.

550
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 4: I know everybody's fighting to keep their space on that show,

551
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 4: but the hazing that they do, like it's crazy. And

552
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 4: to just not like people, not to like them, and

553
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 4: to say all these horrible things about people, fact or fiction.

554
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 4: Most of the fiction, you know, it's just it's just horrible.

555
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 4: But so, Stacy was kind of told something by one

556
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 4: of my friends that made her feel that I betrayed

557
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 4: her trusts. I don't know what was told because it's

558
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 4: probably a lie.

559
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: It's the person she said told her still on the show. Yeah,

560
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: they're a housewife. Yeah, okay.

561
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 4: So and even though she doesn't have the greatest relationship

562
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 4: with this person, she because I in our conversation, I

563
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 4: told her about the person. So this person tells her

564
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 4: whatever she has to tell her. Stacy believes whatever she

565
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 4: told her. And so when I go to film now,

566
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:57,239
Speaker 4: Stacy's not talking to me, and I'm like, there had

567
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 4: been nothing, that's why. And I probably shouldn't have done it.

568
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 4: I thought, Oh, in my head, I'm thinking, oh, you

569
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 4: want to be van to me. Let me give you

570
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 4: a reason to be mad. And then I made I

571
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 4: said this thing about whatever I said on the show.

572
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 4: But I actually really do like Stacy, even though I

573
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 4: haven't talked her in a while. I think she's great television.

574
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 4: I don't think that.

575
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 3: I don't.

576
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 4: I think that it's hard for people that when you

577
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 4: see success coming, those women are going to try to

578
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 4: eat you up and spit you out, you know what

579
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 4: I'm saying. And I knew that her first season. Stacy asked,

580
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 4: like I said.

581
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 3: Breath of fresh air.

582
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 4: And you know why, because it wasn't all the fakeness,

583
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 4: you know, like, it wasn't like she's like trying to

584
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 4: be relevant, not a little. The story with the guy

585
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 4: was a little crazy, but at the same time it's funny,

586
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 4: but you know, but it's Stacy's sold to beat her.

587
00:32:53,800 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 3: It's just so different. But yeah, so I Stacy.

588
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 4: In terms of friendship on the cast, I real friendship.

589
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 3: I don't.

590
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say I have a real thorough friendship with anybody.

591
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: Not even just Zaiah coul You too, seem to be

592
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: the closest.

593
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 3: I thought I did too.

594
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 4: I think that this stuff is a business and people

595
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 4: will do and say anything to be where they are

596
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 4: and they don't care. Like when you have real friendship,

597
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 4: you care about your friends. You know what I'm saying.

598
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 4: You don't try to set your friends up for a moment.

599
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 4: You know, you don't lie on your friends. I remember

600
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 4: when I was uh put in the friend group, in

601
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 4: the friend category I was on. I had gotten a call.

602
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 4: I'm in Canada with my kids at a Drake concert

603
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 4: and I get this phone call.

604
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 3: It's a conference call.

605
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 4: It's various people on the line, and this is going

606
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 4: into season three, I guess. And so right before we

607
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 4: filmed three, and I was told that because I wasn't

608
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 4: my authentic self that they were making me a friend.

609
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 4: And so then I was just like, so, if I'm

610
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,240
Speaker 4: not being me, who am I being? And the person

611
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 4: on the phone that was leading the conversation, I didn't

612
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 4: even know who I was talking to. So I'm just like,

613
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,399
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I don't even know who you are.

614
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 3: So how do you know so.

615
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,399
Speaker 4: Much about me? Like, I don't even know who you are?

616
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 4: How are you telling me how I'm not being my

617
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 4: authentic self? Well, I learned later that my friends created

618
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 4: a narrative of me that wasn't true.

619
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:45,760
Speaker 3: And when they.

620
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, and when things happened the way they did, they

621
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 4: tried to go back in, but it was too late

622
00:34:54,440 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 4: from what I was told. So, no, I, Robin is

623
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 4: not on a show. Robin and I, I would say,

624
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 4: are genuinely friends.

625
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 3: Mecca.

626
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 4: I actually love Mecca. She and I are very good friends.

627
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 4: Monique and I were friends on the show initially, but

628
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 4: that mutual, that person that destroys stuff when it comes

629
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 4: to series. That's why she and I are not. We

630
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 4: ended up not friends.

631
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm stuck on this.

632
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: So just so I'm clear, you're saying to me, there's

633
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: a current housewife, a flute holder on Potomac and this

634
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: one person you're saying to me, Bruin your friend Chamnella

635
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: with Stacy, but also with Monique.

636
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,760
Speaker 3: M Yeah.

637
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 4: And the this year when they had their sit down,

638
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 4: they didn't air it, but I was told that I

639
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 4: was the reason why they weren't friends. They decided to

640
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,399
Speaker 4: blame on me. I could blame for everything, Carlos, I'm

641
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 4: the reason why they're not friends. And then I was

642
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:09,439
Speaker 4: saying to production, I wanted to have to sit down

643
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 4: with Monique like that if anything to me that was

644
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 4: well overdue, you know what I'm saying. I thought that

645
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 4: that would be interesting, and they kept procrastinating when it

646
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 4: never happened.

647
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 3: But and I was gonna be real about it, because when.

648
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,240
Speaker 4: Giselle and I had a conversation on camera where Giselle's

649
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 4: telling me something about me being the reason for the

650
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 4: issues between them, I said, no, no, no, let's talk about

651
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 4: this that it's not true. She suddenly she couldn't remember

652
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 4: why her and Monique fell out.

653
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 2: I do.

654
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,240
Speaker 4: I remember everything, and I'm going to tell the truth

655
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 4: about everything. One of the big did we not forget

656
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 4: the binder? Like I had nothing to do with none

657
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,919
Speaker 4: of this stuff. So I got blamed for stuff I got.

658
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 4: I was always the scapegoat to get stuff on the show,

659
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 4: like even the stuff with the trainer. Giselle says to Monique,

660
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 4: are you not talking to sheeries because she's going around

661
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 4: telling everybody about you and a trainer.

662
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 3: I never said nothing that she's old by no damn trainer.

663
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. But she wanted to get

664
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 3: that on the show. Nobody was even gonna talk about that.

665
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 4: The person who was talking about it was Monique's best friend,

666
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 4: and Robin called me, and you know, I'm friends with everybody,

667
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 4: so they knew something was going down. So it was

668
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 4: just like, something's going on. We know you can find

669
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 4: out what it is. So I put on my little

670
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 4: detective cab and then the girls. The girl called me

671
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 4: and told me everything I told Robin.

672
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 2: That was it.

673
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 3: I was done with it.

674
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 4: I wasn't even filming that year. Next thing, I know,

675
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 4: I'm saying that the baby is Chris might not be

676
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 4: the father. I mean, I'm blamed for everything. I never

677
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 4: said that. I don't I'm not in their bedroom. I

678
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 4: don't know who the father of anybody's child is. Like,

679
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 4: but because she wanted to put that out there that

680
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 4: there was a question mark about it, I'm the person

681
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 4: who said it.

682
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 3: No I didn't. I never said that.

683
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 4: So I'm always the fall guy, but I never I'm

684
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,280
Speaker 4: never given I was never given the opportunity to defend myself.

685
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 3: So for people.

686
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 4: Watching the show, I look like I said all this

687
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 4: stuff that I never said because I never got a

688
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 4: chance to defend myself.

689
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: You know.

690
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 3: So it's what it is?

691
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 2: How good?

692
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 3: Okay?

693
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: So my last question for you is not that you

694
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: were able to you know, tell us or to side

695
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: the story, because you know a lot of people did say,

696
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: oh serie, you had every opportunity to read Ashley in

697
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: her faith, but you waited until after the show air.

698
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: Now now we know why everything transpired the way it did.

699
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: You know, now we know that, what do you have

700
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 1: to say about this misconception that people do have of you?

701
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 2: Sharies, Like you said, people think you're liar, they think.

702
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: You're thirsty, they think these things about you.

703
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 2: What is it that you would like.

704
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,439
Speaker 1: For people to know once overall who you really are

705
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: and why you think people got you confused?

706
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 4: You know, I, like I said, I just what I

707
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 4: reflect and I go back and review how things transpired

708
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 4: over the years. I just feel like when you have

709
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 4: people that come into this circle that say, even like

710
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 4: for the new.

711
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 3: Ones, if you're if you if you're in a.

712
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,240
Speaker 4: Sound relationship, if you have a little bit of coins

713
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 4: in your pocket, if you have something going, they like

714
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:56,879
Speaker 4: to break you down.

715
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:58,240
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

716
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 4: When I came in, when I the first season, and

717
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 4: I'm not I don't want to sound.

718
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 2: Like I'm bitter, No, not.

719
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:14,479
Speaker 3: Bitter, but superfessional. I had the nicest home I had.

720
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 4: Those girls didn't even have attorneys. I did their contracts.

721
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 4: My attorney did their contracts. Okay, the everything was in

722
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 4: my home. Our photo shoot was in my house. The

723
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 4: show there was you know how it is first season shows.

724
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 4: There's not a lot of money.

725
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 3: So all these things. It's so it seemed like, I.

726
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 4: Think it looked like it was about me, and people decided, no,

727
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 4: we gonna make it about us. Karen and Giselle aligned

728
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 4: and decided we're gonna erasereiks. They created a whole new narrative. Okay,

729
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 4: and you probably don't know this, Carlos, Like, at one point,

730
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 4: I imagine this, I'm like a self appointed casting person

731
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 4: for the show. Okay, I'm help Adrian. I'm helping Adrian.

732
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 4: I'm setting up meetings and Starbucks meeting people because at

733
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 4: first we were trying to make it Potomac's people, and

734
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 4: I told him from the door, I said, Potomac people

735
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 4: are not gonna do the show. They don't have to,

736
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, They're not.

737
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:14,399
Speaker 3: And so.

738
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 4: Where it got to a point, I'm interviewing these people.

739
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 4: I'm having casting parties I had. It was fun for me,

740
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 4: you know, And like I said, I called Gazelle, I

741
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 4: called Gazelle, Robin, I called everybody.

742
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 3: I didn't call Ashley.

743
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 4: I didn't know Ashley, but everybody else on the cast

744
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 4: was a result of me in some capacity.

745
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 3: Right. But then when.

746
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 4: You go to shoot the pilot, you come up with

747
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 4: an idea to eliminate cheries. They were trying to make

748
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 4: a Jack and Jail. I'm the only one that's not

749
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 4: Jack and Jail. Okay, Gizelle's Jack and Jail, Karen's Jack

750
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 4: and Jill as she wasn't Jack and Jail, but she.

751
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 3: Had and trying to get Katie.

752
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 4: They were recruiting Katie to get her kids involved in

753
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 4: Jack and Jill.

754
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 3: That was the storyline.

755
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 4: However, like, and my thing is, how are you doing?

756
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 4: I'm not a part of Jack and Jail? Like, how

757
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 4: do you come? That was the beginning of trying to

758
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 4: exclude me from the ship, from from the group.

759
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: You know, you felt that, you felt that even during

760
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: the pilot. You feel strongly that even then before the

761
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: show got green Live, before the Showman aired, You've always

762
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,439
Speaker 1: felt that Giselle and Karen were trying to ice you out.

763
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, for sure, for sure, for sure. Fortunately

764
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 4: Jack and Jill wasn't playing those games. They said, now

765
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 4: y'all can't say Jack and Jail, okay, so their little

766
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 4: idea that went away, so they couldn't even But.

767
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 2: Why do you think, okay, you think they were trying

768
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 2: to ice show off?

769
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 6: What?

770
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 2: What? What is your reason for believing that?

771
00:42:54,120 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 4: I think I personally felt like, like I said, I

772
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 4: had the home, I had all the things I Walt

773
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 4: connected in Potomac DMB.

774
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:07,280
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

775
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 4: I had all these different things to make this thing

776
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 4: function for other people to shine, just like I honestly

777
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 4: like just don't carrying the name Grandam. That was because

778
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 4: that was her way of dimming my light, so to speak,

779
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 4: well seriously, and I know people are thinking, say what

780
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,280
Speaker 4: they want, but it's the truth.

781
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 2: If that's the case. Okay, if that's the case.

782
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 1: If that's the case, a lot of people and I'm people,

783
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: if that's the case, how are you able to be

784
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,720
Speaker 1: friends with someone if that's if that's what you feel happening?

785
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 4: You know what, Carlos and all honesty before me and everything.

786
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,479
Speaker 3: I am God's child, and.

787
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 4: I believe everything that happens in my life happens for

788
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 4: a reason. Most times I don't know why some of

789
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 4: the things that happened happened, but they happened for a reason.

790
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 3: I believe.

791
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 4: Even with the show itself, even you know, I just

792
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 4: feel like knowing that things that were done that people

793
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 4: don't even know that I know about, God makes a

794
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 4: final decision. So I just felt like it wasn't If

795
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 4: it was meant for me to be in that space,

796
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 4: that's where I would be. So I never fought to

797
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 4: retain that space or get it again. But because I

798
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 4: put so much time and energy into the show, I

799
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 4: still wanted it to succeed, you know, and I still

800
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 4: I offered to do things and give other people credit

801
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 4: for it, like organize something and make make it somebody

802
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:51,720
Speaker 4: else's event. I volunteer to do stuff, not even being

803
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 4: a friend or nothing, just because I wanted that show

804
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 4: to be successful. As a black woman. I wanted that

805
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 4: show to be I still saw it as my baby.

806
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 4: I still wanted to do well without me, with or

807
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 4: without me, you know. And that's because I am a

808
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 4: chosen one, Carlos, I am a chosen child of God.

809
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 4: And I don't hate you know. I know that for

810
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 4: me and on the show, I don't have that spirit

811
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 4: of wanting to tear down somebody's relationships, their character. I

812
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 4: am not a character assassinator. I'm just not her.

813
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 3: It doesn't give me.

814
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 4: I don't it doesn't feel good to tear somebody down.

815
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,240
Speaker 4: I'm not that girl, you know, so in that realm

816
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 4: I am. But if you say something to me, if

817
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 4: you're coad that baby, I'll come back at you. But

818
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna initiate it. I'm not gonna try to

819
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 4: hurt you.

820
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,919
Speaker 3: Karen. I loved Karen as a friend.

821
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 4: Karen and I were really friends at one point. But

822
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 4: I remember a time we were filming We're France, and

823
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 4: one thing I also like for me, I'm sort of

824
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 4: like an impath in a sense where I could feel

825
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 4: hurt when people were hurting, you know. And I remember

826
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 4: We're in France and I'm in a car and then

827
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 4: the scene I'm just looking at my phone. They were

828
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 4: going at Karen and I could feel Karen's pain so clearly.

829
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 4: And when we got to our destination, I remember I

830
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 4: went to Giselle and I said, Okay, that's enough. I said,

831
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 4: she's going through something. I don't know what it is,

832
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:32,760
Speaker 4: but she's going through something. There's some hurt there. Like everybody,

833
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,439
Speaker 4: just leave Karen alone, you know. And she was left

834
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 4: alone for the rest of the trip. But it was

835
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 4: just like I literally came into a scenario where I

836
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 4: thought I had I was on a cast of friends

837
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,919
Speaker 4: and I wanted us collectively to be the.

838
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 3: Best band in the world. You know what I'm saying.

839
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 2: Yea, And I.

840
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 3: Genuinely cared and genuinely loved my friend.

841
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 4: But yeah, now, just looking at it, it's disheartening.

842
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's hurtful.

843
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 4: When people have literally crucified your character to the point

844
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 4: where when people are when you're talking to people and

845
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 4: like same, it's like, yeah, okay, sure, he's like you,

846
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 4: you know, side out at me and I'm just like,

847
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 4: you know what.

848
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 2: Oh well, I will say this. Listen. One thing about

849
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 2: you that I know for sure is and this is

850
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 2: what we know.

851
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 1: If a topic you are that girl like you, you

852
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 1: don't have to say it.

853
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 2: It's fine.

854
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: You really go to these fifty thousand dollars play events,

855
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:54,439
Speaker 1: you know, like you really are involved in the upper

856
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: echelone of the world, especially in Potomac. And a lot

857
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: of girls in Maryland say, no, Charesa is actually the girl.

858
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: So look similar to Nini, because you know Nini when

859
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: Atlanta started, she recommended to Kim and charae and and

860
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 1: so so I'll just list producer. So I understand that

861
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: you know you want this show to be about friends,

862
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: so you do work with somebody to to to categorize

863
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 1: and organize the rest of the situation. Ashley was auditioning

864
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: for this show called blussmedd and Hills that we're going

865
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 1: to do it in d C. And so she was

866
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:33,399
Speaker 1: already on Bravos roster for other stuff, which is why

867
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: she got the Potomac thing. So look, I will say this,

868
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: thank you for your services because you, so we appreciate that.

869
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: And listen, I will say this, based on what you

870
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: have provided to this show. You know, you are somebody

871
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 1: who I I will say honestly, has always provided great commentary.

872
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 1: I think you're super funny. I do think you're super misunderstood.

873
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 2: But I will see you too.

874
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 5: I am, you know, But that's why, that's why I

875
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 5: always enjoy talking to you, Because listen, I have a

876
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 5: huge platform, so I know how you felt.

877
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,760
Speaker 1: You and I had a conversation all the time about

878
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: how you felt. And I knew when this whole situation

879
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: was happy with Ashley and you made a comment on Instagram,

880
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: and you know, we did talk about it on my

881
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: show last week month and I live. I knew that

882
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: it was time for you to just say your piece

883
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: and to say it uninterrupted, to say it with somebody

884
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: who you can trust. And I'm happy you were able

885
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: to get things off your chest once and for all,

886
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 1: because I do think it's it's necessary and it is

887
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 1: healthy for you and I'm happy you did it.

888
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, I honestly, I don't you know, I don't do no,

889
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 4: don't I don't do interviews.

890
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 3: Now.

891
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 4: I think my last interview was you. I don't do interviews,

892
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 4: you know, and I really don't. I don't comment on

893
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 4: social media, even less it's positive. But I said about

894
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 4: what I saw the comment like I was in this space.

895
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:06,399
Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god, and it's it's it's

896
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 4: it's so crazy. I think I was overwhelmed with being

897
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 4: misunderstood also, and it's like you don't for me, I

898
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 4: don't have an opportunity to express how I feel or

899
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 4: to give people a better picture, so I want to.

900
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 4: It was funny because they said Shari's breaks are silence.

901
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 4: I really did was at break up my silence. I

902
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 4: was just commented on I wanted to break up my silence.

903
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 4: Oh and I was just like, oh my god. And

904
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 4: you know, and then I saw your people talk about

905
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 4: it all and yeah they were wrong, but you know,

906
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 4: it's like and just to answer another question, why And

907
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 4: I kind of touched on it a little bit, why

908
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 4: would I keep going back? And I that's a good

909
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 4: ask question, you know, like it's almost like an abusive

910
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 4: relate relationship. You know, it's like why do you keep

911
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 4: going back? You know?

912
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 3: Because but I want to every.

913
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 4: Time I go back, I want to believe what they're

914
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:08,720
Speaker 4: telling me is gonna happen.

915
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 3: It just doesn't, you know.

916
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 4: And I just feel like I'm portrayed as the bad

917
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 4: you know, a bad person, not a bad person.

918
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 2: But no, I will say I will say this season.

919
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 1: Listen, this season, I felt like obviously you were portray

920
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: as a bad person. I felt like you always feel

921
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: like you're being you and I always think this. Now

922
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,959
Speaker 1: that you're giving me some backstory, I now do see

923
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 1: things differently in terms of how other people operate around you. Like, listen,

924
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 1: we saw a couple of seasons ago when baby you

925
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 1: and Karen had it how and you are slapping on

926
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 1: the table, like now, now we have a grand understanding, right.

927
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 3: A real I'm a real chick, like say Astley.

928
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 4: For example, when Ashley said King left on me one time,

929
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 4: I was ready to choke the bitch and I said it.

930
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 4: I said, in that five seconds, I'm gonna fuck you up.

931
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 4: And then later on after the season aired, we were

932
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 4: in a restaurant and I said to her, I said, Ashley, like,

933
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 4: for real, I don't play these games. If I say

934
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 4: I'm gonna fuck you up, I'm there. I don't do

935
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 4: fake TV.

936
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

937
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 4: And that was years ago that was that was like,

938
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 4: was it too? I think I might even season two?

939
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 4: But I really wanted to that day. I like, I

940
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 4: really I wanted to choke that girl. I wanted to

941
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 4: take a life.

942
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 2: I So that's what I'm saying.

943
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 3: I'm real. I just don't do fiic shit, you know.

944
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 4: So that again, like with the Ashley thing, if they

945
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 4: wanted a real reaction, she should have told me, yeah.

946
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:41,760
Speaker 3: I slept with Jackson.

947
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 4: She would have gotten one, you know, but she sugarcoated it,

948
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 4: and then on her confessional was a little different. And

949
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 4: then you go on these interviews saying whatever, but you

950
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 4: never said that to me, you know.

951
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 2: So, But look, now we know why she didn't want

952
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 2: to get choub baby.

953
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 3: And I'm too old to be choking people. But I'm

954
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 3: not against it if it's deserving.

955
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: Oh I love you so much. Look, thank you so

956
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:21,240
Speaker 1: much for this. I know you're busy enjoying your holiday break.

957
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,280
Speaker 1: You know, listen, blonde do have more fun.

958
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 2: So I'm happy now.

959
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:34,760
Speaker 4: So what's your status, Carlos since we last talked?

960
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 3: Oh, look, since we let me interview you for a second.

961
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 2: Why you got somebody to talk for me?

962
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 3: There's always somebody honey, but what is it.

963
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: Look, look, I'm outside and i'm you know, getting to

964
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: know people. M h yeah, you know. If there's a gift,

965
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:01,240
Speaker 1: if you have under the tree.

966
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 2: Let me know. Okay, and there we have it, and

967
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 2: and there we have it. Listen.

968
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 1: I'm all about the Potomac Streets. I love I love

969
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 1: the men in d C.

970
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 2: The gay ones. Child.

971
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 4: I have a lot of friends, SKay, friends in DC,

972
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 4: and they are a lot of fun, a lot.

973
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 2: Okay, you got somebody from me times I didn't.

974
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 4: My Oh I actuldn't say my favorite friends. But you're Gregory,

975
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 4: not your take.

976
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 2: I don't know, no, no, no, no, no, don't I

977
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 2: don't know who's who's great.

978
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 3: Who's greg He was on the show with me season three?

979
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 6: I have to check, like Gregory. Yeah, okay, all right,

980
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 6: I'll call you.

981
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 2: I love it.

982
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 1: I love it well, ses, I love you, baby, thank

983
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:06,280
Speaker 1: you for this, and listen, I have a funny feeling.

984
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 7: Will see you again. Oh hey, oh baby, wake up.

985
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 7: The hibernations up with baby.

986
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: We want to see we want to see some real

987
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: but shirks baby, but no author Tocie, Happy holiday, sweet Pee,

988
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,720
Speaker 1: I love you, thank you, my best to the kids

989
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 1: to Jackson and we'll see them the next one.

990
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 3: Okay, honey, Love you, bye bye, have you bo