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Speaker 1: To episode for this week. Welcome to this studio and
Speaker 1: a banana.
Speaker 2: Hi. What are you doing cause I'm doing great? How
Speaker 2: are you?
Speaker 1: I'm fine?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 1: Our relationship is kind of like I feel like for
Speaker 1: each of us, you know, actually it's like the opposite
Speaker 1: of what they say, like when you're drowning and someone
Speaker 1: comes to save you, but like they kind of push
Speaker 1: you down with the you know and stop it. I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, we're the opposite will be when we're together,
Speaker 1: we're both trying to lift each other up. Now, if
Speaker 1: you want to get into it, by lifting you up
Speaker 1: some times does feel like taking you down just because
Speaker 1: insult her language.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, language. I'm going to believe
Speaker 2: my whole life, so this is just your way of
Speaker 2: loving me, and I'm creat she don't believe her.
Speaker 1: She's not a bit. She gives it as good as
Speaker 1: she gets Okay, she gives it as good as she gets.
Speaker 1: So for the Brown ambition audience, why do I have
Speaker 1: Anna on the show? I'm going to do a live
Speaker 1: kind of I want to do a live career coaching
Speaker 1: session with Anna, but first I want to give some backstory.
Speaker 1: So Anna is ten years younger than me. Wee and
Speaker 1: I have agent, but she's in her mid twenties, which
Speaker 1: means you know what I am. Anyway, I used to baby,
Speaker 1: said Anna when she was just over the toll, twelve
Speaker 1: year old peanut in my pocket. And now, well a
Speaker 1: decade later, it was the pandemic, right, I was obviously struggling.
Speaker 1: I had a baby, a newborn, and I was trying
Speaker 1: to like balance that with working. Couldn't have childcare because
Speaker 1: everything seemed too dangerous, so I was doing I was
Speaker 1: like breastfeeding, having the baby at home.
Speaker 2: So I was living back home and I was in Georgia,
Speaker 2: and I was just having like the worst mental everything.
Speaker 2: Nothing was working. I was just not happy. I was
Speaker 2: very like, I was just like a mess. But then
Speaker 2: Nandy just called me out of the blue, No, yahay,
Speaker 2: every Thursday I was worried about you. I was so yeah,
Speaker 2: and I'm in the world and I and I just
Speaker 2: hated whenever, like someone has to worry about them because
Speaker 2: I'm like, damn and that, like, am I that fragile?
Speaker 2: But you know, your love really did show through. And
Speaker 2: I told you to get down the ups and the downs,
Speaker 2: more downs and ups. And then I think we both
Speaker 2: asked ourselves the same questions, like you were trying to
Speaker 2: warm me up to the idea of moving, and I
Speaker 2: was like, I was like, I need to get out
Speaker 2: of the state. I need to leave. And then it
Speaker 2: just happened where we're like, Okay, we're gonna do this.
Speaker 1: And then I said when it was so funny because
Speaker 1: it was around.
Speaker 2: I felt like I was plotting on you, but you
Speaker 2: were planning on.
Speaker 1: I was plotting on you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we were.
Speaker 2: I don't know because you have a husband. I wasn't
Speaker 2: trying to You were like, please a DoPT.
Speaker 1: Well you were living with one of our what with
Speaker 1: your auntie on your mom's side, so not my auntie anyway,
Speaker 1: and you were I remember, forget this phone call when
Speaker 1: you called.
Speaker 2: Me and you're like, I can't.
Speaker 1: You're twenty two, so you're doing a lot of twenty
Speaker 1: You were at the time anyway, right, twenty.
Speaker 2: Two, twenty three, twenty two, yeah, twenty time.
Speaker 1: But at the time you were like doing what door
Speaker 1: dash you had time.
Speaker 2: I was doing Instacar. I was working on Amazon.
Speaker 1: Oh the he warehouse home good.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I was working. I was working.
Speaker 1: But you ain't never not worked, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You ain't never not a working girl.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I was all there.
Speaker 1: Okay, but at this time I remember because I remember
Speaker 1: when I really I was already worried about you because
Speaker 1: I could tell when I was talking to you that
Speaker 1: you were struggling. That's why I was like, I think
Speaker 1: that in the spring before, I was like, we're going
Speaker 1: to talk every Thursday at nine pm. Put it on
Speaker 1: the calendar. We're doing it, And we did anyway, and
Speaker 1: I just I just wanted to like keep you know,
Speaker 1: I couldn't see you, so I just wanted to like
Speaker 1: at least talk to you so I could be sure
Speaker 1: that you're okay. So anyway, we we only all I'll
Speaker 1: say you yeah. Ever since I was like I fell
Speaker 1: in love with you and with Ariel and RJ and
Speaker 1: all that, but I mean like really fell in love,
Speaker 1: Like oh this is my like my bonus family. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you're not always so close with cousins anyhow. So
Speaker 1: we had this connection. I could tell when you were
Speaker 1: off and so I we met all summer long and
Speaker 1: then this in the in the fall, we were like,
Speaker 1: I gotta I'm going to join this. What were you
Speaker 1: going to sell kitchen knives?
Speaker 2: She's like, it's okay, I got a top.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try. I'm I'm gonna start my own business.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sell knives.
Speaker 2: And it was a scam. It was a scam.
Speaker 1: It was an mL it was a multi level marketing.
Speaker 1: It was like one of those pyramid scheme type things.
Speaker 1: People will probably there were.
Speaker 2: So many that were hitting me up there, you won't date.
Speaker 2: I was globle.
Speaker 1: You want to make money overnight, you want to own
Speaker 1: your work hours, you can work from home.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: You're like yeah, yeah, because you want some value. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So they got you, and thank god you told me
Speaker 1: because I was like, right now, we need to, Like
Speaker 1: I felt like.
Speaker 2: I was in trouble. She's like absolutely, okay.
Speaker 1: So because you were going to buy like a bunch
Speaker 1: of knives.
Speaker 2: And have it just didn't make sense.
Speaker 1: Sitting house and you're the interview.
Speaker 2: I was doing the interview like on my on my
Speaker 2: little tiny desk with like fifteen other people, and I
Speaker 2: was like, what is this? Yeah, and then yeah it
Speaker 2: was Yeah, it was a hot mess dot com.
Speaker 1: So we had this conversation and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm really struggling with this, and I already was scheming.
Speaker 1: I'm like, wouldn't it be perfect if Anna just could
Speaker 1: be here like here, I could keep an eye on
Speaker 1: her because somehow I'm working on this too. I want
Speaker 1: to like protect and fix everybody. I don't have to
Speaker 1: do that. But at the time, I was like, I
Speaker 1: can keep an eye on her because I'm really worried
Speaker 1: about her. And also I think she would really enjoy
Speaker 1: watching my child for me so that I could start
Speaker 1: my new job. And we had the conversation and I
Speaker 1: was like, so, I mean and I.
Speaker 2: Was like, so, you know, I.
Speaker 1: Feel like what you really need is like you'd be
Speaker 1: great helping a family who just you know, was working
Speaker 1: really hard and just had trouble finding childcare during the pandemic,
Speaker 1: like and you were like, yeah, that sounds like a
Speaker 1: good idea. And I said, do you know anybody like
Speaker 1: that that you can think of?
Speaker 2: And your little voice.
Speaker 1: Well like you, I'm like, yeah, thank you for offering,
Speaker 1: you know, a great idea.
Speaker 2: That was the funniest conversation. And I was like I
Speaker 2: was plotting on you. I was like, oh, how's your
Speaker 2: upstairs bedroom looking like it's vacant?
Speaker 1: It saved both of our lives, no, for real, right,
Speaker 1: it did?
Speaker 2: It did for sure?
Speaker 1: Yeah. So cut to and when you moved in. Of course,
Speaker 1: again because I have a bit of a like fixer personality,
Speaker 1: and you know, you were you were not finished with
Speaker 1: like college, your degree, no job and all that. So
Speaker 1: I was like, also, while you were here, let's let's
Speaker 1: have some personal finance conversations. Let's you know, really untangle
Speaker 1: you from that uncle.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Anna's yeah, you talk a little bit about that.
Speaker 1: Where you were in terms of like you were twenty yeah,
Speaker 1: you were like twenty three. But also you were like
Speaker 1: with your relationship with your father, not feeling financially free.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, Like I just grew up of he hands
Speaker 2: me money and then I deal with it. So whenever
Speaker 2: I had like my financial struggles, he would always have
Speaker 2: like a string attached to whatever dollar is behind it.
Speaker 2: So I was just very exhausted and tire trying to
Speaker 2: chase what he's giving me. And then I have to
Speaker 2: this mental load that I had to pay him for
Speaker 2: the price of whatever amount of dollars. And I remember
Speaker 2: when I moved to you, he cut me off financially
Speaker 2: and this owed me and all this extra stuff. So
Speaker 2: my mental health was like down was down the street.
Speaker 2: It was terrible.
Speaker 1: And can you be specific when you say you had
Speaker 1: to pay him for the money, like what were the
Speaker 1: strings attached?
Speaker 2: It would just be his controlling ways when it comes
Speaker 2: to finances, like if I maybe had an attitude, he
Speaker 2: was like, well I do X y Z for you,
Speaker 2: and you're going to do this to me after I
Speaker 2: gave you this amount of money for school, or just
Speaker 2: like just being his daughter, just asking for money here
Speaker 2: and there. It's always like an issue or problem. So
Speaker 2: that's whenever I just I wanted to stop asking him
Speaker 2: for money completely. So that's why I was working those
Speaker 2: those numerous jobs just to get myself together. And then
Speaker 2: you know, my mental health is just taking a toll
Speaker 2: for you know, all the finances that had to deal
Speaker 2: with that with him and myself because you know, I'm
Speaker 2: a little price sy. I noticed he was spoiled for
Speaker 2: a price.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and also it was to the point where
Speaker 1: he it was like, I'll pay for school, but you
Speaker 1: got to study what I think is a good degree.
Speaker 2: Yes, right, yeah, yeah, totally, So that level of control. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then the thing about me, I just I don't
Speaker 2: do well with control like that, Like I I'll just
Speaker 2: stop everything if I don't. I just don't feel like
Speaker 2: you should live your life for your parents, and I
Speaker 2: learned that the hard way.
Speaker 1: Well you were, and I mean, like it was so
Speaker 1: heartbreaking to see. I mean how tough it was for you.
Speaker 1: What do you think are the biggest changes that have
Speaker 1: happened since you moved in with me? For those who
Speaker 1: are watching on YouTube, you might be able to note
Speaker 1: the most significant change. We're not in the same place.
Speaker 2: Why I was able to moz out. I have a
Speaker 2: lovely roommate. She's great, But it was just so nice
Speaker 2: to buy things with money that I worked hard for
Speaker 2: and earned. And I just feel like the hard work
Speaker 2: really did pay off. And I appreciate you your skin.
Speaker 1: Over the hard work. What have you accomplished.
Speaker 2: Let's let's stity with it, girl. Okay, okay, I'm just
Speaker 2: get me over Yeah, definitely my mental health for sure.
Speaker 2: I received so much healing from the past, like year,
Speaker 2: two years, almost.
Speaker 1: Three three, Yeah, I mean three years.
Speaker 2: I almost a big three. But yeah, I've seen a
Speaker 2: huge turnout from my mental health about you know, how
Speaker 2: I felt about myself boundaries. That was a huge thing
Speaker 2: that I had to develop. I didn't have any like,
Speaker 2: especially with my parents. Whatever they said when I didn't care,
Speaker 2: like they didn't care if I didn't so comfortable. I
Speaker 2: didn't care if I didn't so comfortable. I just did
Speaker 2: what I was told. So whenever I was this song,
Speaker 2: I was like, all right, if I'm really disowned, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna do what I what I please, and well in
Speaker 2: a respectful way. It took me a long devastated. I
Speaker 2: was heartbroken. Yeah, and then you know therapy.
Speaker 1: You know what, but listen for those who are But
Speaker 1: did he actually it was a no.
Speaker 2: It lasted three I think it lasted three months. And
Speaker 2: then he said, how are you doing? I was like,
Speaker 2: I was, so.
Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, so try to survive without this cute face,
Speaker 1: this incredible.
Speaker 2: Daughter. You got keen, you can't never get rid of me.
Speaker 2: I got. I got off of everything.
Speaker 1: He didn't need a car anymore. He owned the car you.
Speaker 2: As soon as I moved here, he sold my car
Speaker 2: and I was like, that's fine, I don't need it.
Speaker 2: And then he was more upset that I didn't care.
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, that's fine.
Speaker 1: And he had it was that was what he did.
Speaker 1: A tantrum he.
Speaker 2: Did, and then I think he hit you up and
Speaker 2: was very very angry towards you about it.
Speaker 1: So let's move into the career and finance side. What
Speaker 1: kind of what kind of like strides have you made?
Speaker 1: Because you came here in no full time job, no
Speaker 1: job period, not the knives thing, and no money of
Speaker 1: your own, So like, when did you start taking no strides?
Speaker 1: What are the big accomplishments you've made?
Speaker 2: I think at that time, whenever I was hoping, I was,
Speaker 2: you know, your lovely son, my godson. I was really
Speaker 2: ready to just start working again to make money for myself,
Speaker 2: to move out, to say to you know, spend things
Speaker 2: on myself, to give back to you guys with whatever
Speaker 2: is needed, you know. And then I found a job
Speaker 2: doing executive assisting work for this unknown fashion and jewelry company.
Speaker 2: That was the worst.
Speaker 1: Touch on that later, but you needed a like a
Speaker 1: non part time, like a retail part you wanted, you wanted.
Speaker 2: Like I wanted full time. I wanted to hit the
Speaker 2: ground running.
Speaker 1: But and you who were like, what's your degree in?
Speaker 2: What? Healthcare administration? Yeah, health care administration.
Speaker 1: We got you a LinkedIn page, right, remember that. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to tell y'all. Anna is a boomer in
Speaker 1: a Generation Z suit body like you. And it's just like,
Speaker 1: here's your a ARP card, here's your handicap.
Speaker 2: I grew up sheltered. I grew up sheltered. So I
Speaker 2: was like, what is this, Like she's more Gen Z
Speaker 2: than me. Yeah, I just know the terms, but she
Speaker 2: knows like the logistics, she knows the you know, technology.
Speaker 1: All right, So you got a LinkedIn page. It was
Speaker 1: like you need a presence, so we put some job
Speaker 1: experience there. Yeah, we said that you were my assistant.
Speaker 1: Don't ever ask me for a reference because.
Speaker 2: That's too late. You weren't the best, you weren't. I
Speaker 2: was dealing with so much mental it's like, yeah, you're
Speaker 2: my assistant.
Speaker 1: She's like what.
Speaker 2: So I was just so overwhelmed, and I was like,
Speaker 2: I did not what you said slack. I said, what
Speaker 2: is slack. She did, she wouldn't be my idea, and
Speaker 2: I don't know, I couldn't I know, I.
Speaker 1: Know, try to do my email.
Speaker 2: She was just one and slack.
Speaker 1: I was like, so, just you focus on the babies.
Speaker 1: I'll give you the title my admin. Anyway, but you
Speaker 1: got a job assisting and then from but that point
Speaker 1: is you had something on your resume, and then from
Speaker 1: there then you got the job you did like a
Speaker 1: lot more. Well, actually you that job was so toxic
Speaker 1: that you quit?
Speaker 2: It was? It was, yeah, it was so Me and
Speaker 2: my roommate we worked at the same job before and
Speaker 2: then she quit a little bit before me. It was
Speaker 2: just such a toxic work environment and nothing was getting done,
Speaker 2: and I was like, I want to put my efforts
Speaker 2: into something else that would appreciate me. So you know,
Speaker 2: when I quit, I shouldn't have done that. That was
Speaker 2: not smart. Why do you say, but I did, because,
Speaker 2: like I was, I didn't have a job for like
Speaker 2: maybe a month. When I tell you, I was a
Speaker 2: ply into a to z jobs more like to the
Speaker 2: day I woke up to like at night, I was applying.
Speaker 2: Interviews were happening, but they weren't good enough or just
Speaker 2: it wasn't the right fit.
Speaker 1: And then my current scam kind of like LinkedIn messages, what.
Speaker 2: Do people do that as like people are like strog.
Speaker 1: Going all the way to Manhattan to find out it
Speaker 1: was like what was the thing where they sent you
Speaker 1: home with a big textbook, like a real estate textbook.
Speaker 1: They wanted you to.
Speaker 2: I honestly wanted to forget that happened, and for you
Speaker 2: to bring that up is very triggering.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, but you went through it, and honestly
Speaker 1: a month doesn't see that. But I'm interested. You said
Speaker 1: it was a bad idea to quit. Yes, it was
Speaker 1: at the time. I'm not going to lie I was.
Speaker 1: I was a little worried. I'm like, yes you were,
Speaker 1: but I was trying to let you do your own thing,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And honestly, I don't think
Speaker 1: it was a mistake because a couple months later you
Speaker 1: got the job in the SPA, right, and you just
Speaker 1: found that on LinkedIn? Is that right or indeed or something?
Speaker 2: I'm in one bed and it was just it looks
Speaker 2: sketchy applying for it, but I was like, you know what, everything.
Speaker 1: Like, yes, it hadn't opened yet. It was a news.
Speaker 2: It was a break. It was in the it was
Speaker 2: being built as I was applying. So whenever I got
Speaker 2: the job, interview OV and I was like, oh, can
Speaker 2: I see the spot. It was like construction walls. There
Speaker 2: was wood exposed, and they said, yeah, this is it.
Speaker 2: I said, I see the potential. And I think after
Speaker 2: the interview went well, and then you told me to
Speaker 2: write a letter to you know, show my appreciation, and
Speaker 2: at first forget I remember now.
Speaker 1: I remember I dropped you off to give them the
Speaker 1: thank you note.
Speaker 2: Yeah you did, and I think it was like it
Speaker 2: was like a nice little card. It was yellow. It
Speaker 2: was like a yellow flower, yellows your your brand, I
Speaker 2: see you know. Yeah. And then I got the call
Speaker 2: that I got the job, and I was so ecstatic.
Speaker 2: When I tell you, I was struggling financially. I was.
Speaker 2: I was living off my savings. Like I think one
Speaker 2: time I didn't have enough for two pays if I
Speaker 2: didn't want to go into my I mean I.
Speaker 1: Think I started to ask you to pay rent because
Speaker 1: I was frin to get you a little ready for
Speaker 1: the real world. I was going to do that thing
Speaker 1: where you just put the money aside and give it
Speaker 1: back to you at the end of yeah, but that's
Speaker 1: when you quit, and I was like, oh, so the
Speaker 1: renting she really.
Speaker 2: Got to stop. But no, I felt like such a
Speaker 2: loser because I was like, why would I do that
Speaker 2: with that like a plan B. And I was just
Speaker 2: like I was so scared and so like eager to know,
Speaker 2: like what's next, what's the next move? Like what can
Speaker 2: you do? And then you know, I got the I
Speaker 2: got the call, I got the job, and I was like,
Speaker 2: all right, I can relax a little bit more. And
Speaker 2: then well.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna we're gonna take a quick break. But before
Speaker 1: we do, I want to just kind of like round
Speaker 1: out that phase because I feel like for you, it
Speaker 1: was about listen, your dad chose your major right health
Speaker 1: care and admin, which which isn't a bad major. I
Speaker 1: think it's obviously a hot field. It's a it's on
Speaker 1: the come up, and you got to you still kept up,
Speaker 1: like with your studies virtually while you were working full time.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, you knew you didn't want
Speaker 1: to like work in a hospital, like just like at
Speaker 1: a desk, you know what I mean. But you did
Speaker 1: have this interest in beauty and care, which I feel
Speaker 1: like is something that you know, you go to a
Speaker 1: controlling dad and you're like, hey, I want to work
Speaker 1: in the spa beauty industry and he's like, what is that.
Speaker 1: It's woman's stuff. It can't be good, it can't be lucrative.
Speaker 1: Police but it made it was like the whenever I'm
Speaker 1: helping someone and coaching them through like a pivot or
Speaker 1: trying to figure out how do I make a career
Speaker 1: that I love out of a couple out of like
Speaker 1: the job history that I have, which I don't love.
Speaker 1: And it's like not exactly like there's not like a
Speaker 1: lateral like a connection, you know, but for you, there's
Speaker 1: enough there, like you know, the admin side and healthcare
Speaker 1: and spas med spas especially. It's not that different people
Speaker 1: aren't using insurance cushit cough for the most part. No, right,
Speaker 1: but and it like it worked for you and it
Speaker 1: has been working for you. But Okay, I'm gonna leave
Speaker 1: it there. We're gonna take a quick break and then
Speaker 1: we're gonna come back because I want to talk about
Speaker 1: what's next for you because you at the.
Speaker 2: Level Okay, all right, all right.
Speaker 1: Okay, Va family are back and my cousin Anna Banana
Speaker 1: I mean sorry, Anna, Victoria Woodruff and Victoria Puch a
Speaker 1: whole name out there. So you've been in this job
Speaker 1: for over a year now, and obviously it's a stepping stone,
Speaker 1: Like you're kind of like front of house in the
Speaker 1: in the MEDSPA space. We're interfacing with customers and all
Speaker 1: of that. But like, so, what do you want for
Speaker 1: yourself now that we have like the little we have
Speaker 1: like this ember? You know this, like you can imagine
Speaker 1: like building a fire. You've struck this ember now and
Speaker 1: your job, like your career is starting to kindle, it's
Speaker 1: starting to smoke. You know, we got a little bit
Speaker 1: of a flame. Now it's about how can we keep
Speaker 1: building that flame? And even though you have a job now,
Speaker 1: you're happy there. It's great, it's great. I'm always talking
Speaker 1: to women about never getting too comfortable and always sort
Speaker 1: of keeping your eye on the next opportunity and what
Speaker 1: that's going to look like for you. So talk to
Speaker 1: me a little bit forget him with your cousin and
Speaker 1: more of like a coach. What do you want next?
Speaker 2: I think, no, I want to move up in the
Speaker 2: SPA space. I realize I like to do the operations
Speaker 2: side of it. You know, I'm great speaking to people,
Speaker 2: but you know, I have more fun, but I find
Speaker 2: more enjoyment and doing like the operation side. So it's
Speaker 2: like the ordering getting things done. There's conflict with schedule,
Speaker 2: there's conflict with the guests. Baby, I'm very good at that,
Speaker 2: very strategic managing people. To me, I really do find
Speaker 2: enjoying it with that. And I feel like the people
Speaker 2: that I do work with, they feel confident or comfortable
Speaker 2: enough with me to tell their issues and we can
Speaker 2: address it, you know, as me to be.
Speaker 1: So together. One of the things we did do that
Speaker 1: My first thing was when you came you actually, that's
Speaker 1: the reason you're here is because you came over what
Speaker 1: was it last week, week before it was last week,
Speaker 1: and I was like, let's just run your day off.
Speaker 1: Let's get together, let's sit down and talk about what's next.
Speaker 1: And the first thing you wanted to do was your resume, right,
Speaker 1: and I was like, to how to hold up before
Speaker 1: we do the resume. It's really important to know what
Speaker 1: you want so you can tailor your resume, you know,
Speaker 1: do a job. And I feel like we spent that
Speaker 1: excuse me that afternoon on LinkedIn stalking people in the
Speaker 1: SPA industry and trying to figure out what are some
Speaker 1: job titles that sound juicy, even if they are like
Speaker 1: a few levels beyond what you could be doing now,
Speaker 1: just like how I have like a finish line or
Speaker 1: have a you know, something that you can work toward.
Speaker 1: I mean I learned a lot about the types of
Speaker 1: jobs like director of operations, SPA manager, SPA director director.
Speaker 2: I think those are like the main three that I found.
Speaker 2: But there's like a lot of spot owners obviously.
Speaker 1: Did you ever hear back? I think you sent some
Speaker 1: DMS like cold to some people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did. I think if you are not message me,
Speaker 2: but they followed me back or what do they call it?
Speaker 1: Connected with?
Speaker 2: You were connected? Connected? LinkedIn? Connected? That makes sense. I'm
Speaker 2: getting to you. I had to.
Speaker 1: I had to twist your arm to get a photo
Speaker 1: on there.
Speaker 2: I because I hate that photo.
Speaker 1: It's such a gorgeous photo. Y'all, go connect with Anna
Speaker 1: and Victoria Woodruff on LinkedIn if you're in the SPA industry,
Speaker 1: met Spot and listening, Gone and there. She only has
Speaker 1: twenty two connections, y'all. She's lonely.
Speaker 2: Why you called me out like that?
Speaker 1: Because you're so pretty in this picture. I can't stand it.
Speaker 1: I took it. I told you I had two years
Speaker 1: to take a better one. I took this headshot back
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one. I said, you had two three
Speaker 1: years to pick a better headshot, and you don't have one.
Speaker 1: So you know what you're gonna do uploads with the
Speaker 1: image upload and when you get a better one, you
Speaker 1: can fix it. But done is better than perfect.
Speaker 2: Okay, So why perfect?
Speaker 1: And if people are listening on like pictures, but I
Speaker 1: thought pictures were bad, especially if you're a woman of color,
Speaker 1: people can, like, you know, have bias against you. But
Speaker 1: I do believe in having a photo on LinkedIn as
Speaker 1: a hiring manager. I just feel like it's a well rounded
Speaker 1: image and let's just be let's keep it one hundred. Anna,
Speaker 1: you're going to be in the Beauty and MEDSPA space show.
Speaker 1: You're cute, like, I don't care how like in politically
Speaker 1: unpolitically corrected is too or politically incorrected is to talk
Speaker 1: about the impact of like your look and your presentation.
Speaker 1: It really matters. And I think that people who were
Speaker 1: reviewing LinkedIn profiles, I'm not saying put it in your resume.
Speaker 1: Not all about that but at least for LinkedIn, like
Speaker 1: show that you know you are well presented, that you
Speaker 1: present yourself well because I do believe in your industry,
Speaker 1: it's a bit of that image is probably going to matter.
Speaker 1: I mean it was even one hundred Is that how
Speaker 1: you feel it?
Speaker 2: It's correct, you're correct.
Speaker 1: You don't have to just say I'm correct.
Speaker 2: No, I mean it's one hundred percent true. Like if
Speaker 2: you're working or you are coming into a spa and
Speaker 2: you want to look a certain way, when don't you
Speaker 2: want this staff to look, you know, put together. They
Speaker 2: look like they take care of themselves. That's just what
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 1: Can you be doing your crystals and your boobs and
Speaker 1: where you be putting those crystals, the crevices and the
Speaker 1: belly button. It used to live here just be packages
Speaker 1: of rocks coming you.
Speaker 2: Guys would just call it rocks. It's like they're crystals.
Speaker 1: It's another envelope of rocks for you in listen, show
Speaker 1: it in your braw.
Speaker 2: It was part of my healing journey. Yeah, and I
Speaker 2: still have them.
Speaker 1: I hope you charge charging in the moonlight.
Speaker 2: They're charging.
Speaker 1: Did water one time she drank moonwater. It's a full moon.
Speaker 1: Put some water on the deck.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yeah, and it was delicious. It was
Speaker 2: very refreshing the next day.
Speaker 1: So on your LinkedIn, okay, we got you a photo,
Speaker 1: you have your experience on there. You started to connect
Speaker 1: with people, which is great. You need to be connected.
Speaker 1: And this is my advice for anyone listening to Even
Speaker 1: if you and right now Anna, you only know the
Speaker 1: people who work where you work, right but the industry
Speaker 1: is so big, I'm like, how can you get connected
Speaker 1: to more people in your space? So the work that
Speaker 1: we did that day, it may feel like not that
Speaker 1: big of a deal. But even if someone sees your
Speaker 1: name on LinkedIn, even if they don't connect with you,
Speaker 1: even if they well maybe they don't, but even if
Speaker 1: they don't respond to your DM, but they do connect
Speaker 1: to you or follow you whatever, you're going to show
Speaker 1: up in their feed. And I've learned you're going to
Speaker 1: show up in their feed a lot for two weeks
Speaker 1: after they connect with you. So once you start adding
Speaker 1: people like start, I would say sharing something on LinkedIn.
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be like here are my thoughts
Speaker 1: on the med's boss base, but share an article about
Speaker 1: the industry. Share an article that you find interesting or
Speaker 1: follow like thought leaders in your space. There's got to
Speaker 1: be like some I know there's so many like influencers,
Speaker 1: but also there's probably some great names in the business
Speaker 1: of the MEDSPA industry that you could be following so
Speaker 1: that you can really like, I want you to be nerdy.
Speaker 1: I want you to be like in on the med'spo space.
Speaker 1: I want you to be passionate about it. That is
Speaker 1: what's gonna give you that extra something special when you
Speaker 1: go into an interview. If you show up and you're
Speaker 1: just like, here's my experience, I'm very happy to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everyone's got a great resume. This job market, Mmmm, it's tough,
Speaker 1: and it's tough in the sense that it's for me,
Speaker 1: it's normal, Like this is how a job market I
Speaker 1: feel like should be. It was Craig Krai back in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. Everyone was hiring right, and you could
Speaker 1: get a job like that. But now it's more like
Speaker 1: corrected in the sense that there are good jobs out there,
Speaker 1: but there's also a lot of good candidates and.
Speaker 2: It's a competition is insane exactly. On LinkedIn, I think
Speaker 2: for certain jobs I saw there was like three hundred
Speaker 2: and thirty two app like applications for that one job,
Speaker 2: and I was just like, it's just brutal. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: like the dating pool.
Speaker 1: And this is where you start to differentiate yourself with strategy.
Speaker 1: So one thing is when you see hundreds of people
Speaker 1: have applied, you can add your resume to the mix.
Speaker 1: But if you're not like a shoe in, like a
Speaker 1: perfect resume, perfect candidate, like for the role when you
Speaker 1: really want it, I feel like less is more when
Speaker 1: it comes to applying right now, like really center in
Speaker 1: or home in on jobs that you want, jobs that
Speaker 1: are cool, not just any old job, and that may
Speaker 1: mean waiting longer to find the job. You're not so senior,
Speaker 1: like you're you know your entry level right now and
Speaker 1: the next step up for you were hoping to get
Speaker 1: you on a path to like maybe assistant SPA manager
Speaker 1: or at a startup SPA, maybe a maybe straight to
Speaker 1: SPA manager or whatever, but somewhere on the back the
Speaker 1: back of office, back office whatever, back back office, the
Speaker 1: op side. But those types of roles are fewer and
Speaker 1: further between, and because they're juicier, right, they probably pay more.
Speaker 1: You want a salary and all that, Like they're going
Speaker 1: to have more competition. So that's why I'm like last
Speaker 1: week when you were here, I was asking, I was
Speaker 1: impressed because you knew some names of other spas in
Speaker 1: the industry and that. But I want more. I think
Speaker 1: you should really like get more into the industry. What
Speaker 1: could that look like? What are some ways you could
Speaker 1: start investing more and learning about the men's bas space
Speaker 1: and getting in networking opportunities so you can meet other
Speaker 1: people in that space.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of SPA conventions. There's a lot of
Speaker 2: in New York. Yeah, there's so big. There's plenty plenty
Speaker 2: in the city. Are you going to go to I
Speaker 2: forgot the name of it. It's like I think it's French.
Speaker 2: But the biologic they have how do you say that?
Speaker 2: It's French? So it's like Biologic. You're here, but I
Speaker 2: call it br BR Hey, I took.
Speaker 1: I did, that's the fancy brand. I'd gotten the free
Speaker 1: samples when I come to your spa.
Speaker 2: Yes, so that's a brand. They have a lot of
Speaker 2: conventions or just trainings and then we so they have
Speaker 2: trainings like that and then they come to the spa.
Speaker 2: But like, there's a there's a lot in the city
Speaker 2: there's so many The beauty field or space in New
Speaker 2: York City alone is like it's huge. So just going
Speaker 2: there and meeting people, I think that's the next step
Speaker 2: that I want to take because I want to take
Speaker 2: this seriously, like I found my niche and something that
Speaker 2: I really enjoy love. I talk about it all the time,
Speaker 2: you know, because I'm passionate about beauty.
Speaker 1: All right. So but here's one thing that I do
Speaker 1: on my coaching calls. I will sit here and watch
Speaker 1: you until you do a thing that maybe is a
Speaker 1: little thing that you know you haven't done yet, but
Speaker 1: you just need someone to be an accountability partner. I
Speaker 1: want you to. I want to search for like an
Speaker 1: event that you could sign up for right now, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I know you're on your phone, you have
Speaker 1: your laptop next to you. No, okay, So I just
Speaker 1: literally googled MEDSPA events New York and there's a whole list.
Speaker 1: March third, there's the International Esthetics, Cosmetics and SPA Conference
Speaker 1: in New York and there's not the only one. There's
Speaker 1: like an open house, there's a blueprint for success US
Speaker 1: and Aesthetics. I think some of these will probably target
Speaker 1: people who want to work as an esthetician, but you
Speaker 1: want to focus on where are some opportunities to be
Speaker 1: in a room with the ops people, people who are
Speaker 1: like on the business side of SPA. I really feel
Speaker 1: like that's going to help set you apart because I
Speaker 1: think in like the you know, the cosmetics and men's
Speaker 1: spas kind of space, I think people think first of
Speaker 1: the worker bees who are doing the services and all that.
Speaker 1: That's fine, but there's not much room for growth there
Speaker 1: unless you're really spectacular at your job. You bring in
Speaker 1: your own clientele, you know, you become valuable that way
Speaker 1: in your you know, in your in your space. You
Speaker 1: need to sort of get you have more of a
Speaker 1: you know, career trajectory, you know, but you need people
Speaker 1: who can I think mentor you show you the ropes,
Speaker 1: you know, challenge you get you into a job where
Speaker 1: it feels like a big shoes for you to fill,
Speaker 1: and that's how you start to learn and grow.
Speaker 2: I'm going to save that event.
Speaker 1: No, we're not going to save it. You're in a
Speaker 1: register and you're going to ask your job to pay
Speaker 1: for it. Did you know that?
Speaker 2: No? I did not.
Speaker 1: I'm a little bossy, but yeah, so this is a
Speaker 1: type of event that I feel like your job should
Speaker 1: pay for. Your job is a big brand, they got money.
Speaker 1: I think you should make your case like, hey, I
Speaker 1: really want to, like, you know, get some new ideas
Speaker 1: for the SPA. I want to get some ideas for
Speaker 1: you know, and just show you can show them the website.
Speaker 1: You can make a little you know, write an email
Speaker 1: and just make a case for why they should cover
Speaker 1: your attendance and.
Speaker 2: Pitch it.
Speaker 1: I want to see how much it is first recruiting
Speaker 1: one oh one, how to attract, engage, and retain a
Speaker 1: great team. Ooh, I love this workshop. Not because you're
Speaker 1: gonna don't think of I don't think you should think
Speaker 1: of doing workshops, just based on what you want out
Speaker 1: of your career. Do at least on who's going to be.
Speaker 2: In the room. If you go to a recruiting workshop,
Speaker 2: who's going to be there.
Speaker 1: Recruiters, managers need to people people who are pops possibly
Speaker 1: hiring right now. Yes, you need to be in that room.
Speaker 1: Baby girl, I feel like I'm like the Toddler and
Speaker 1: Tierra stage mom right now. Smile, sweetie, like doing the
Speaker 1: choreo in the in the in the wings. Okay, are
Speaker 1: you on the exhibition page. Yet the exhibition page like
Speaker 1: the workshops page where you can pick.
Speaker 2: No, I'm still registering. There's so many mercy listen woman,
Speaker 2: listen lot here. What do you mean?
Speaker 1: My sessions are usually forty five minutes and this is
Speaker 1: way over an hour already. So you need to fire
Speaker 1: in the belly. You're gonna be an admin. You need
Speaker 1: to be like type in ninety nine words per minute?
Speaker 1: What are you like reading the questions? I don't do that.
Speaker 1: Don't just think about you think about like who could
Speaker 1: be in the room like that? Even the eleven forty
Speaker 1: five panel discover the path to empowered Leadership business management.
Speaker 1: That could be great for meeting people who are in
Speaker 1: leadership positions and also, like you know, start putting yourself
Speaker 1: in the space where you want to become a leader.
Speaker 2: Right. Maximizing performance with your current SPA software. Ooh, the
Speaker 2: software needs help.
Speaker 1: Ooh, the software one's going to be good, you know what,
Speaker 1: because there's going to be full of SPA edmins. Anna,
Speaker 1: you gotta go, oh, this is exciting.
Speaker 2: Which one were you saying?
Speaker 1: That's the one that you mentioned three fifteen to four thirty.
Speaker 1: Maximizing performance with your SPA software. M Yeah, that's perfect
Speaker 1: because you need to be nerdy about shit that people
Speaker 1: don't want to be nerdy about. That's what's going to
Speaker 1: separate you. I'm really excited. This is the kind of
Speaker 1: way that I love to end a coaching session, even
Speaker 1: if it is a little painful for me to sit
Speaker 1: here breathing while you breathe and type things into the
Speaker 1: internet and sign up for a thing. Because I mean,
Speaker 1: it sounds simple. But were you planning to sign up
Speaker 1: for this conference today?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Very, Like it's like you've taken a big step and
Speaker 1: these are like I'm so I think we got so
Speaker 1: lucky with the timing because this is in a few months.
Speaker 1: This is exactly what you need. Like it's almost even
Speaker 1: more important than I mean, you're going to finish that
Speaker 1: healthcare degree, healthcare admin degree, this is the year.
Speaker 2: It's just it's just costly, that's all I'll say.
Speaker 1: But you're paying your own way one, yes, and you're doing.
Speaker 1: Proud of you mm hm. But this is the kind
Speaker 1: of education that it's going to specialize you. Like you're
Speaker 1: in like a generic healthcare admin program, right, Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is like the continuing education where you're going to find
Speaker 1: your niche.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if I'm a niche and like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: we use it well, take advantage of it. And I
Speaker 2: was like thinking, I'm gonna definitely put this one on LinkedIn.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm so excited for you? Are you excited? Why
Speaker 1: am I the only one? Like? Bless?
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just a tabit hungry. This will say,
Speaker 2: go so am I I sent?
Speaker 1: I sent you home with chili in a box of
Speaker 1: corn bread, so I didn't even have time to eat it.
Speaker 1: Yet I'm glad because you probably would have been belching
Speaker 1: on the show. I would have the whole time that
Speaker 1: chili got a kick. Okay, but when you come over,
Speaker 1: do I not feed you? You feed me?
Speaker 2: And somehow like I always have something packed on my
Speaker 2: way out.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on. Brown Ambition was.
Speaker 2: A pleasure, babes.
Speaker 1: I'm excited. I wasn't sure what we were going to accomplish,
Speaker 1: but I do feel like we took the first step
Speaker 1: last week in terms of like getting you more comfortable
Speaker 1: with LinkedIn and connecting with folks. And now I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you're doing the thing that is so you're doing the
Speaker 1: thing that so many especially women know that they probably
Speaker 1: should be doing but aren't doing it, and that is
Speaker 1: why they're staying stuck. And it's actually shoving yourself in
Speaker 1: the rooms like buying your way and getting an invite whatever.
Speaker 1: In the rooms where opportunity can happen. You need to create.
Speaker 1: There's so much of the job search in your career.
Speaker 1: It's as much a strategy as it is putting yourself
Speaker 1: in a position where exciting opportunities can happen to you.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Like it's hard to describe, but
Speaker 1: there's an element of I don't know what the exact
Speaker 1: thing is going to be, but if I put myself
Speaker 1: in this room, things can happen.
Speaker 2: Things you have to make it happen.
Speaker 1: To make it happier, exactly, you got to put yourself
Speaker 1: in that space, and its sure ain't going to happen
Speaker 1: if you just stay at the front desk at the
Speaker 1: spa you're at now and never branch out and dip
Speaker 1: a toe into the wider industry.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm very proud. I'm so proud of you,
Speaker 1: so proud of you.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: A year since moving out, you're about to be a
Speaker 1: year in your new apartment. You got your own bills paid,
Speaker 1: you got savings. How that credit score looking?
Speaker 2: It's good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway, I'm super happy for you on your journey.
Speaker 1: You're doing just so amazing. Do you feel proud of yourself? Like,
Speaker 1: do you feel it like I have done a lot?
Speaker 2: Or do you judge helf harshly? I judge myself harshly,
Speaker 2: Like I see the difference of how I was like
Speaker 2: two years ago. But like at this point, I was like,
Speaker 2: we gotta keep going. I wanna. I really want to
Speaker 2: tee myself on the back and be like you did it.
Speaker 2: So I'm just in a transition, but I am very
Speaker 2: happy of how far I come along.
Speaker 1: Just walking through your story with you, it just reminded
Speaker 1: me you've come so far, hun Like, you've come so far,
Speaker 1: Thank you, And I just need to get you to that. Yes,
Speaker 1: we're going to get you to the next the next
Speaker 1: once you get this, I feel like the next role
Speaker 1: is going to be so pivotable, pivotable, pivotal once you
Speaker 1: get into the right title and like more of a
Speaker 1: high higher level, more the admin side. It's just it's
Speaker 1: it's an easy path, not an easy path, but it's
Speaker 1: a it's a path that you want to be on,
Speaker 1: and there's no where, there's no way you're not going
Speaker 1: to continue to have that great career if you just
Speaker 1: like get on this next sort of you're.
Speaker 2: Not going to get on the train.
Speaker 1: You're Oh, you're so great though, and I'm so proud
Speaker 1: of you and I love you so much.
Speaker 2: I love you too,