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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob left Sex Podcast,

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Speaker 1: the COVID nineteen version. Yes, we're doing this remotely from

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Speaker 1: my bed room to the world. My guest today is

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Speaker 1: manager Jake Gold, who happens to be in Toronto as

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Speaker 1: we're speaking. Jake, how you doing, Hey, Bob. It's the

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Speaker 1: first time I've done this with you remotely. But but

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Speaker 1: it's fun. You know, seeing your face is good. It's

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Speaker 1: been a while, absolutely, so, Jake. When is the live

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Speaker 1: business going to return? Well, it looks like in my mind, um,

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Speaker 1: I mean, there are some festivals that are saying this fall.

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Speaker 1: I doubt it. I think the earliest is second quarter.

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Speaker 1: I think it will be different country by country. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Canada's in a little better shape. But I don't see

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Speaker 1: the borders opening up that quickly. And if they do,

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Speaker 1: it will still be for for other types of services

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Speaker 1: I don't see. I think they already announced in l

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Speaker 1: A that no large gatherings till the end of from

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Speaker 1: what I heard. Yeah, well, you know, it's a very

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Speaker 1: interesting thing because Zekiel Emmanuel and it's kind of interesting

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Speaker 1: because he's the brother of both Rom and Ari, and

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Speaker 1: Ari of course is the Majordomo at w M e UH.

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Speaker 1: He has gone on record in the New York Times.

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Speaker 1: He of course is the ethics professor at University of Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 1: Do you see him on TV occasionally? And he has

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Speaker 1: been posting in the New York Times and he said

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Speaker 1: he didn't expect concerts to come back to the fall

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Speaker 1: of one. The Mayor of Los Angeles said the beginning

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Speaker 1: of one, which is what you said. But no one

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Speaker 1: really knows, no. I think I think the uh, the

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Speaker 1: jury is still out on that. There are some people talking.

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Speaker 1: I think some of the festivals that have announced that

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Speaker 1: in oh, we're gonna reschedule for October November, I think

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Speaker 1: that's wishful thinking. I also think part of it is

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Speaker 1: they don't want to have to give a whole bunch

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Speaker 1: of refunds back to people. If they say, oh, we're

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Speaker 1: just rescheduling until next year and saying, okay, you can

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Speaker 1: keep your tickets, but they're good for next year, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, let's slow down for a second there, because

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Speaker 1: that's become a big issue, big scuttle but online about

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Speaker 1: refunds and you know, so what's your viewpoint on that?

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Speaker 1: Because it first it seemed that Live Nation was going

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Speaker 1: to give refunds. Now it seems that they're not. Well

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Speaker 1: it's it's Ticketmaster, even though they're the same company, but

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Speaker 1: they're operating as separate in that way. Um I I

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Speaker 1: think that I think that in this stage, if people

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Speaker 1: want to refund, they should be able to get a refund. Um.

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Speaker 1: I think there are some people that are saying, Okay,

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Speaker 1: when's the date going to be, and if it keeps

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Speaker 1: getting pushed back at some point, people aren't going to

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Speaker 1: be available or they're not gonna want to go out.

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Speaker 1: I think, um, I think they should be getting refunds.

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Speaker 1: I also wonder, um if if if there are some

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Speaker 1: promoters that are saying, Okay, well we're going to reschedule

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Speaker 1: this for a year from now, hold your tickets for

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Speaker 1: a year from now. Well, I know the money sits

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Speaker 1: in trust, someone's holding on to that money. Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: this has been a big change over the last couple

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Speaker 1: of years in the music business, and the concert tickets

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Speaker 1: can be sold in excess of a year out, and

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Speaker 1: there's obviously an advantage to holding that money. But we're

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Speaker 1: in an interesting era. We're in an era of musical chairs.

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Speaker 1: Everybody is taking a hit. So do we make the

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Speaker 1: customer whole, because the customers not a whole. At work,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people are laid off or not laid off,

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Speaker 1: you know, or put on furlough. And these are public

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Speaker 1: companies in some cases. So if Ticketmaster, which as we say,

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Speaker 1: is part of Live Nation, if they give all the

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Speaker 1: stop Hub. Most people believe if stop Help gives all

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Speaker 1: the money back, they're going to go out of business.

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Speaker 1: Well that and and um, what did I read today

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Speaker 1: that watch for a big announcement on event right for

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Speaker 1: tomorrow that Friday at four o'clock there's going to be

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Speaker 1: a big amount announcement with event right. Well, by time

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Speaker 1: this finally airs, we will know the essence of that.

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Speaker 1: But do you think that event right, which is also

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Speaker 1: a ticketing company, will give money back. I don't know

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Speaker 1: I was talking to someone today, we were making a

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Speaker 1: to go see Miss Saigon. But wonder, like, what about

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Speaker 1: the big Broadway shows that people buy tickets? All you know,

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Speaker 1: you're a manager. Let's stay with that. Okay, let's start

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Speaker 1: with the basic concept. If these acts, and I'm not

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Speaker 1: some point where there they could be working a record

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Speaker 1: have other sources of revenue, which are what are those

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Speaker 1: other sources royalties? Um uh, mostly royalties, whether it's the airplay,

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Speaker 1: whether it's sound exchange, whether it's all the other sources

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Speaker 1: of revenues that artists can. But we do know that

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Speaker 1: a lot of those revenues are going to be much lower. Um.

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Speaker 1: I was sent a document today that from Europe about

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Speaker 1: what's going on on that side of things. Broadcast revenues

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Speaker 1: are down. If broadcast revenues are down, then performing rights

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Speaker 1: revenues are down. Okay, so in Europe it's a percentage

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Speaker 1: as opposed to same in Canada, it's percentage of gross revenue.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. And like in Canada, recently the Canadian government

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Speaker 1: um uh gave gave the broadcasters a thirty million dollar

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Speaker 1: like okay, hold off, you don't have to pay right now, Okay,

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Speaker 1: just so I know, because in America we tend not

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Speaker 1: to know the rest of the world. To what degree

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Speaker 1: is radio in Canada the CBC controlled by the government,

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Speaker 1: and to what degree is it private? So the CBC

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Speaker 1: it's public. Let's just call it public broadcast but supported

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Speaker 1: by the government. But most of real radio outside of

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Speaker 1: the CBC is all private. The all big radio chains. Um,

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Speaker 1: you've got Chorus, You've got Bell Media, uh shaw, You've

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Speaker 1: back to acts. You know, there are some acts from

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Speaker 1: the eighties even the seventies who played sheds every year.

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Speaker 1: And I was discussing this actually with Irving days off,

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Speaker 1: and I said, why are they going out every year?

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Speaker 1: Said they need the money so we all can expand

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Speaker 1: to our lifestyle. You know, if you're planning on making

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Speaker 1: a problem. It's a problem for managers too. It's a

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Speaker 1: just mine, but almost all managers it's decimated. There's nothing there. Um,

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Speaker 1: of them that are regularly touring. They figured that this

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Speaker 1: last probably even after the movie theaters. And because everybody

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Speaker 1: I mean right now, you know, we're looking everybody, like

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Speaker 1: looking we're looking for we're being asked by government to say, okay,

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Speaker 1: And especially for the artists. I mean, we recently did

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Speaker 1: But every day they keep announcing new versions of the

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Speaker 1: gonna work. Today they announced a rent subsidy for for businesses,

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Speaker 1: So there's a question on one of the checks and

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Speaker 1: trying to figure out how this is all going to work. Okay,

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Speaker 1: think that we'll see just like flattening the curve, we'll

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Speaker 1: see a reduction of these free live streams and an

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Speaker 1: increase in paid live streams. I think that's the only

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Speaker 1: way it's going to go. I think I think that

430
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Speaker 1: it's a re education in a lot of ways. Um,

431
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Speaker 1: I think we're I think one of the things that

432
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Speaker 1: may come out of this overall is people actually learning

433
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Speaker 1: how to do stuff online that for a lot of

434
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Speaker 1: people that never actually played online, whether it's ordering groceries

435
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Speaker 1: or anything like that. I think there's there's a re education.

436
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Speaker 1: And they say it takes twenty one days to change

437
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Speaker 1: someone's behavior on what they did before, what they're gonna

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Speaker 1: do now. Think about eighteen months of what that's gonna

439
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Speaker 1: be like. And I think, you know, I think you know,

440
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Speaker 1: we may get to a point where social distancing may

441
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 1: not be the same. So you actually could put a

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Speaker 1: band together in one room. Uh Like, if you think

443
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Speaker 1: about look at w w E. Their business model is

444
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Speaker 1: pay per view. Well, how different is this if it's

445
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Speaker 1: pay per view? And no one ever thought pay per

446
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Speaker 1: view would work in music. But if that's all you

447
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: can get, maybe you would pay for it. Well, it's

448
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: interesting because the w w E is considered an essential

449
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: business in Florida. So uh arguing whether their business is

450
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 1: essentially no comment? But but but okay, but what is

451
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Speaker 1: go on? But to their point, their business model has

452
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Speaker 1: always been a pay per view. Right, pay per view

453
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Speaker 1: concerts historically haven't worked. Um remember the Who Final show

454
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Speaker 1: in nineteen eight one which was pay per view or

455
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 1: eighty two whenever it was, I was at it and

456
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Speaker 1: I thought it was gonna be the last time him

457
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: I saw the Who, But um, I don't know how

458
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Speaker 1: successful that was. But you can still goes and see

459
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Speaker 1: shows if there's no other options. Well, well, you know

460
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Speaker 1: what we do know is House of Blues Concerts. That

461
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: was originally an internet play and that was a big

462
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Speaker 1: component in terms of filming live stuff. They outfitted all

463
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Speaker 1: the venues and it didn't work, and they sold it

464
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Speaker 1: to Live Nation ultimately. And we also have Fish using

465
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Speaker 1: nugs net. It appears that Fish fans and other fans

466
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Speaker 1: of the Almond Brothers there is a very small hardcore

467
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Speaker 1: who will watch online now of course for once in

468
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Speaker 1: a lifetime event, and it turns out like this one

469
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Speaker 1: may literally be a once in a lifetime event, which

470
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: was the final Dead Shows in Chicago. They also did

471
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Speaker 1: well with pay per view, staying staying with pay per view.

472
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Speaker 1: What's an appropriate price, Well, I guess it's going to

473
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Speaker 1: be depending on the act. I mean, if an act

474
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Speaker 1: says I'm gonna do a show, you know, twelve shows

475
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Speaker 1: a year, once a month, versus a one time show,

476
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Speaker 1: it's a different thing. You know. Obviously, you pay more

477
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Speaker 1: for exclusivity, and you pay more for um for availability. Um,

478
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 1: you know, I think you have to look at it

479
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Speaker 1: that way. Uh. You know, if if the Dead were

480
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Speaker 1: only doing one show, then people would pay a lot

481
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Speaker 1: more for the ticket than if they were touring that show. Yeah,

482
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,719
Speaker 1: that's kind of like pay per view boxing switching gears

483
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Speaker 1: a little bit. What's the future for the movie business

484
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Speaker 1: in an era where the studios are the theaters are closed? Well?

485
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Speaker 1: What did I just read that AMC is filing for

486
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Speaker 1: chapter eleven? And yeah, well that you know that we're

487
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Speaker 1: talking about two levels of business. Many people are unsophisticated

488
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Speaker 1: when it comes to how these public corporations work. They

489
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Speaker 1: go to chapter eleven because they can't pay their debts

490
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 1: and they try to reorganize. It's chapter seven, I believe,

491
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Speaker 1: which is permanent go out of business. But what I'm

492
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Speaker 1: really asking is is there a future in pay per

493
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Speaker 1: view movies on demand on the flat screen? Well, it's

494
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Speaker 1: interesting you say that. Um, I think for certain kinds

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Speaker 1: of movies, I think, you know, um, the dark side

496
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Speaker 1: of thing I think will suffer. Um. You know, the

497
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Speaker 1: Hot Doc Festival in Toronto, which is one of the

498
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Speaker 1: best documentary festivals in the world, just announced, Um, they're

499
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Speaker 1: going with their regular slate of films and and what

500
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Speaker 1: they've done is they've made broadcast deals with all the

501
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Speaker 1: broadcasters in Canada to carry those films. So the revenues

502
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Speaker 1: coming in it actually gives these documentaries a bigger audience

503
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Speaker 1: than by having them play, you know, for a week

504
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Speaker 1: in a theater somewhere. Um. So it's not technically the

505
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Speaker 1: same kind of film festival because people aren't going to

506
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Speaker 1: movie theaters, but um, for the for the actual filmmakers,

507
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: they're getting a bigger audience out of it. So well,

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Speaker 1: my question would be, because I'm unfamiliar, that would ultimately

509
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Speaker 1: be free to the audience in Canada. With those documentaries.

510
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Speaker 1: You're not paying twenty dollars for a forty eight hour

511
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: or five day window to watch, but but you're paying

512
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Speaker 1: for your your cable bill or your streaming costs or whatever.

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Speaker 1: It is. Like I saw an ad for a movie

514
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Speaker 1: this morning, and and it looked like and then it

515
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Speaker 1: said opening this day, and then very quickly there was

516
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Speaker 1: a flash at the end of the commercial and it

517
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Speaker 1: said only on Netflix. But up until I saw that,

518
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Speaker 1: I thought, whoa, they're opening a movie somewhere and then

519
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: it was only on Netflix. But well, It's interesting because

520
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Speaker 1: the New York Times in the l A Times, the

521
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: two entertainment centers in the United States, they were reviewing

522
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Speaker 1: movies all the way through March, which made no sense

523
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Speaker 1: because no one could go to see them. But now

524
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Speaker 1: I was noticing because movies tend to open on Friday,

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Speaker 1: noticing last Friday the movie they reviewed all were available

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Speaker 1: on demand. Right personally, not that I watch movies or

527
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Speaker 1: television hours and hours every day, but I'm paying for

528
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Speaker 1: so many services. I've got my cable bill, i got

529
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Speaker 1: my Netflix bill, I've got my Amazon bill. Are people

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Speaker 1: really going to pay for video on demand on a

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Speaker 1: one shot basis? Or do they want it biked into

532
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: Netflix like you just said. Well, it's interesting because I

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Speaker 1: do both. If there's a movie I really want to

534
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Speaker 1: see that I want to see now that hasn't come

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00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: out on UH and I'm a sample of one, but

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Speaker 1: I know other people that do the same that hasn't

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Speaker 1: come out on Netflix or hasn't come out on any

538
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: streaming services yet, but I want to see it now.

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00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: I'll pay the five ninety nine or to watch the

540
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Speaker 1: movie at home, and if it's in four K, even better.

541
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Speaker 1: I've done that many times? How often in a quarter?

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Speaker 1: How often do you do that? I'm doing it nowadays

543
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: probably now days, which is more often, but I'm doing

544
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: it once a week. Okay, So my question will become,

545
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: because you're talking about windowing, there a movie that has

546
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: played theatrically and is ultimately going to cable and then

547
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: we'll see it forever for free on some free channel.

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00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: My question would become that movie has probably the beneficiary

549
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: of fifty to a hundred million dollars in marketing. Can

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00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: you open a movie only on video on demand? Can

551
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: you reach the customers? That's the first question. They have

552
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: to know about it before they pay for it. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think like if you're talking about the new Star

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Speaker 1: Wars and movies like that with hardcore fans, that if

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00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: they know that this is how they're gonna see it

556
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: and it's gonna cost them seven bucks, they'll put they'll

557
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: probably do it, and they'll probably have giant viewing parties,

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Speaker 1: you know, with a couple of their friends that are

559
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Speaker 1: that are in their family. You know, I think know

560
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: my brother he buys movies, he actually owns them, right,

561
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: he buys them through in what format he's buying them from?

562
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: My iTunes, he's buying him a disk, He's buying him

563
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: out on He's buying him on Google. Um, anybody, what's

564
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: the logic there? He wants to own them so he

565
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: can see them over and over again, like his He

566
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: loves his his sci fi movies, and he wants to

567
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: own them so he can see them over and over again.

568
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: He buys you know, as I say, I'm someone who

569
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: doesn't read a book twice, almost never watches a movie twice.

570
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: But I believe that's a fetishism or just a fetish

571
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: in this particular case, because everything is available on demand.

572
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: You know, I hear from people all the time, Oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm not signing up for Spotify a because what if

574
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: there were I'm out of range. Well, the sophisticated people,

575
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: you don't have to be that sophisticated. No, you can

576
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: seek it to the handset as long as you're hand

577
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: set as juice, doesn't matter whether there's a signal. But

578
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Speaker 1: I believe you know that we live in an on

579
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: demand culture, which brings me to another fashion of your

580
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: life where you gave up your car. Yeah yeah, and

581
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: my audience about that, Well, I got in a car

582
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Speaker 1: accident and my car was written off. And uh, this

583
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 1: was how long ago? Two years ago October? I think

584
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: it was maybe three years ago through maybe three years ago.

585
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: Now I think it's two years ago, yeah, um and uh.

586
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Speaker 1: And what happened was, Uh, I had been thinking about

587
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Speaker 1: getting rid of my car, and the accident kind of

588
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: made the decision for me, because when I looked at

589
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Speaker 1: getting a new car, and then looked at looked at

590
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Speaker 1: what it would cost me to take Uber's use public transit,

591
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: which I had been using anyways, because parking downtown Toronto

592
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: was a pain in the ass. And the fact I

593
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: could rent down my parking spot and saving on insurance

594
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: and gas and upkeeping everything else, I was ahead of

595
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: the game by about ten twelve thousand dollars a year,

596
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: and I didn't have to worry about a car. And

597
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Speaker 1: if I need a car for anything really important, I

598
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: just rented. So I live in I live in the city.

599
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: I live in the core. Um. One of the reasons

600
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: I chose to live in the course I had lived

601
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: in New York, and I liked that lifestyle of not

602
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 1: having a car and walking places. Um, So I chose

603
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: to live like that, and I wanted to live that

604
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: same lifestyle I had when I was living in New York.

605
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,919
Speaker 1: And again, cars are easy to access if you need one.

606
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: Um and between between ubers and public transit. Nowadays, I'm

607
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: not spending any money. I'm not going out for dinner,

608
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: I'm not taking any ubers anywhere. Um So, actually costs

609
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: are way down for me. Now, let's drill down on

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Speaker 1: the cost. When you had your old BMW, was it

611
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Speaker 1: completely paid for? You were paying per month? No. By

612
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Speaker 1: the time I not, I smashed it up and had

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00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: been paid for for a little over a year. So okay,

614
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: So what did you estimate your cost of owning a

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Speaker 1: car for your and A relative to what it's if I,

616
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Speaker 1: if I had to make payments on it, you know,

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00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: it was cost to me, you know, four or five

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00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: a month, plus insurance which was another couple of hundred

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Speaker 1: dollars a month, plus gas plus parking, plus you know upkeep,

620
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 1: which is you know you're wear and tear on any car,

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Speaker 1: whether it's tires or oil, you know, whatever you're spending.

622
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: So if I priced out, if I was going to

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Speaker 1: get a new car and have to pay payments on

624
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 1: the car with all the costs in, it was going

625
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 1: to be close to twenty dollars a year to carry

626
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Speaker 1: a car. And I figured that if I spent even

627
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,439
Speaker 1: thirty dollars a day on an uber, that's only ten

628
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: thousand dollars a year. Right, how much did you You

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00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: ended up spending about ten k a year? No, not

630
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: even close, not even close. Because I work. What's your

631
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Speaker 1: what's your reading? My office is in my house. What's

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00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: your rating on Uber? I think I'm a four seven five? Okay,

633
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: so you're a nice guy in the Uber. Not it's

634
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 1: definitely the guys that don't know which way they're going.

635
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: So I tend to be a bit of a backseat

636
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,439
Speaker 1: driver on directions. So yeah, but if you've got four

637
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: point seven, you know they're not too angry about it.

638
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: I'm a friendly backseat driver. So to what degree are

639
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Speaker 1: you self quarantining? Um? I've been out twice in thirty

640
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: three days, and that was just to go to the

641
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 1: to the store to pick up last minute stuff. I've

642
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 1: been ordering my groceries in UM, I've been cooking. I UM.

643
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 1: I've my brother dropped off a mask to me, but

644
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: he just left it at my door. My assistants still working,

645
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: so he uh, he'll pick up stuff and leave it

646
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: at my door. If I have mailed for him, I'll

647
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: leave it at my door. We don't actually have any contact. Um.

648
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: I've been doing a lot of Zoom meetings. I had

649
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: a Zoom birthday party was which was fun um it

650
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: psych Over thirty people showed up, which probably be more

651
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: than if I had a regular party, and people came

652
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 1: from There were people on it from all over North

653
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: America and even a couple from Europe. It was pretty

654
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: late there, but they showed up, so it was interesting,

655
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: you know. It was Uh, that was kind of overwhelming

656
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: actually to have that much attention. I did a Zoom

657
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 1: sat with you and your friendly so I got to

658
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: meet all of your families, so that was fun um

659
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: and offer my Canadian perspective on things, which so how

660
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: is you know? You seem very upbeat now, how is

661
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: your state of mind in the sequestion I had I

662
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,439
Speaker 1: had a session with my shrink today, so of course

663
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: I'm up beat today. Uh, overall, it was overall, you

664
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: know what, because I work from home, it's not that

665
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: much of a disruption for me in terms of being

666
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: in the house all the time. I'm used to it.

667
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: I've been doing it now for two and a half years,

668
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: I think, um uh, And I'm communicating with a lot

669
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: of people. You know, I'm face timing with different friends

670
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: every day, which I never did before. Now people are

671
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,439
Speaker 1: instead of just making texting you or calling you, their

672
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: face timing you like it's and it's and it's like,

673
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: you know, you have to message them back and say, hey,

674
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,439
Speaker 1: I'm not ready to face right or whatever. So I think,

675
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: I think we're actually communicating a lot more than we have.

676
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 1: But I mean, how are you finding it in that way? Well,

677
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: as I say, I go up and down in a

678
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: couple of things. I go up and down on fear. First,

679
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: I was very fearful, and then I wasn't fearful for

680
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: a while. And then I read that crazy case of

681
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: the doctor on the front lines Washington State. They had

682
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: to put him in the cardiac unit, and I said,

683
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: you know, this could be really bad. And of course

684
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: some people we know died. So there's I wax and

685
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 1: Wayne on the fear I am. So I haven't seen

686
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: anybody face to face in excess in real life, you know,

687
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: in excess of a month, but desidside your girlfriend, beside

688
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: your girlfriend, yes, who lives in the house we lived together. Um,

689
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: in terms of state of mind, you know, well, I'm

690
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: very busy. You know, I'm busier than I normally am.

691
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: And I live in Los Angeles. You know, those hours

692
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 1: in the car I'm missing out on. It's like Howard Stern.

693
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not as addicted as I once was,

694
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: only because I don't have that window. However, I haven't astern.

695
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I have the I have the app, and

696
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: I pay for it to listen to your show and

697
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: to listen to Stern. But I've been like I've been

698
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: busy too, i haven't listened to Stern normally in the

699
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: in the mornings, I'll have it on. I'll be listening

700
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: on my phone or on my computer, you know, before

701
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: I actually sit down at my desk. But now I'm

702
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: answering emails and I'm messaging with friends and how how

703
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: are you doing? How did you do last night? Everyone's

704
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: checking in on each other, and I'm playing I'm playing

705
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 1: Words with friends with random with random people. But it's

706
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: it's good brain exercise to play scrabble, So I'm staying

707
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: staying on Stern. He had Cuomo on, which was very good.

708
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: You could get onto me and then again, Chuma has

709
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: appeared in many places, especially with his brother. But I

710
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: got to the first I felt it was Groundhog Day,

711
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: the same day every day, and then I was so

712
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: then I didn't quite know what day it was. And

713
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: then the other day I worked really hard, and then

714
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 1: I was burned out. The problem is with modern communications,

715
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 1: you can never disconnect from Monday morning to Friday afternoon. Yeah,

716
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: I mean I'm hearing from people seven you You you

717
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 1: have a hard time saying, well, I'm not gonna have

718
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 1: my phone right by me if I don't have my

719
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: phone right by me, that I really can't concentrate me.

720
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Speaker 1: If I have my phone right by and I really

721
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: can't concentrate on something else. But if I leave my

722
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: phone in the other room, I'm afraid. It's not only fomo,

723
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 1: it's business. And as you say, it's our way to connect.

724
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 1: And then you say, well, I'm gonna lay low on

725
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 1: the weekends. But then everybody, I mean, this is the

726
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 1: way it normally is. But I'm trying to say every

727
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: wee traction on the weekend. Anyway, I'm trying to see

728
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 1: where the normalization is. But you, but you're more productive

729
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: because you're not spending all that time, so you're basically

730
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: liv in my lifestyle now where you're not in the

731
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: car right right, so so so you found all these

732
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: extra hours to write, to read, to do the things

733
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: that you didn't do before, because I say, an experiending.

734
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: You know. The interesting thing is the other day I

735
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: found I had more time to listen to new music.

736
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: Generally speaking, I listened to new music when I'm hiking.

737
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: And the story with new music is unless unless you're calm,

738
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: everything sounds like ship and you know, you pull up

739
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: the Spotify top fifty say you know they hit the

740
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: ship ratio is terrible. This is another thing I can't

741
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: rant enough about. You know, everyone thinks that playlists have

742
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,919
Speaker 1: solved the problem. No, it used to be DJs were

743
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: experts and they read and they played certain songs. Now

744
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: these playlists, there's so many crappy songs. Who can listen

745
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: to that many crappy songs. However, I was listening to

746
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: some songs the other day, even that I'd heard before,

747
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: and they resonated more because I was calm. Now, of course,

748
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: if you're driving in the car and you're listening to

749
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: music opposed to Howard, you have a similar thing, but

750
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: it's not like the old days because there's so many stations,

751
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: certainly on satellite radio, and you can stream your phone.

752
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: You know, this is something that's overwhelming to me in

753
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: terms of new music. There is great new music out there,

754
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: but connecting with the people who actually like it is

755
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: so difficult, and as I say, you can waste so

756
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: much time looking for the great stuff. Same thing with television.

757
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: I read about television. People inundate me with shows. Some

758
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: of them are good, and then you end up watching

759
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,760
Speaker 1: a show. I mean, I started watching the show which

760
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: was rated the number one foreign show in the New

761
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 1: York Times called Prisoners of War in his rarely show

762
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: about two guys who come back from being held prisoners

763
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: of war seventeen years in Syria. Very intense, but I

764
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 1: could I feel like I could be the only person

765
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: watching it. Well, I'm gonna watch it now, you said that.

766
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: But but Fouda is coming back this week, Well Found

767
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: is coming back on the twenties six in the US,

768
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: and also Bosch is coming back the day after we

769
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: have this conversation. Is let's go back to the music

770
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 1: business for a couple of seconds. Here. You were one

771
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: of the first people to embrace the Internet. If you

772
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,399
Speaker 1: have a developing act, Now, what platforms should you use?

773
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: How important is social media? How often should you be posting? Well?

774
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 1: I think right now because the audience is there, I

775
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,240
Speaker 1: think you could be posting more because they're they're chewing

776
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: it up so fast. Um. I still think Instagram and

777
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: Instagram Live seems to be the place where people are going.

778
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: You're seeing bands that are breaking stuff off TikTok TikTok

779
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: and and and stuff like that. I think Twitch is

780
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: becoming a big thing, but I think that tends to

781
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: lean more in the pop world. I'm not seeing a

782
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: lot of indie acts and rock bands doing stuff on TikTok,

783
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: you know. Um So, I still think Instagram of Facebook

784
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: to a certain degree just because there's an audience there,

785
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 1: regardless of the age and everything else. But I do

786
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: think that Instagram has got to be the number one

787
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 1: place to be right now. Um. Now, you maybe you

788
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: personally are very active on Twitter. Is that just a

789
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,240
Speaker 1: personal thing or is there something that you can break

790
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: bands there or you believe other people should be on it? Um.

791
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: I think I think it's a great source for information.

792
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: I think you can build an audience there and you

793
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 1: can direct them to your other places. I don't see

794
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: a lot of I haven't seen one live stream on

795
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: Twitter yet. You know, uh it's not well they broadcast

796
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: football games. There's a way to do it. But I

797
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: agree with you haven't seen it. Yeah, so I haven't seen. Oh,

798
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: by the way, in Canada found it starts today. I

799
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: envy you, so I'll be going deep. So great show.

800
00:44:56,120 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: So back to I still think Instagram it's interest thing.

801
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: If you if you go on Instagram now and I

802
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: noticed that you recently got on Instagram. Um, if you

803
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: go on Instagram you know in the top of the

804
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: the app is all the stories, and the stories used

805
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: to be one person, used to be all one person

806
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: just doing their thing. Now that the top of the

807
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: app is where the stories are, it's all live. Everything

808
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: is live. Multiple people that you know are on that

809
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: live stream because obviously you know a lot of friends

810
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: who know other friends, and so now all you're seeing

811
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: is Instagram live, Instagram live NonStop. So everyone's going there.

812
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: There's um there's this app house Party. I don't know

813
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: if you've heard of it, were heard of it, so

814
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 1: you can only put it absolutely was started a while ago,

815
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 1: and it was bought in two thousand and nineteen by

816
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 1: the guys who own Fortnite because they were noticing that

817
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 1: gamers were communicating on house Party while they were gaming.

818
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: The only thing about it you can only put eight

819
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: people on it. But maybe that's another place where artists

820
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: can go and say, Hey, we're gonna do a concert

821
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: for only eight people. It's gonna be really exclusive, or

822
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 1: for seven people and I'm gonna be the eighth I'm

823
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: the artist, and I'm gonna do a house concert for you.

824
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: No different than when you know a lot of artists

825
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,760
Speaker 1: are doing these house concert tours. So maybe that's another

826
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: thing that artists could do is they could certainly charge

827
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: a lot for that, right. And the thing about house

828
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: Party that's different than some of the other things Zoom.

829
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: If you send the link, anybody can just click the

830
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: link and get in on it house Party. If I'm

831
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 1: on a conversation with you on house Party, I can

832
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 1: hit the lock and it means no one else can

833
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: come in and we're in a locked room. And if

834
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: you go onto the app, it will say Jacob Bob

835
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 1: are in a locked room, you know, or if they

836
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,439
Speaker 1: if they're only connected with me on the app, it'll

837
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: just say Jake's in the locker room, and it won't

838
00:46:51,120 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: tell them who I'm with, so they can't enter the room.

839
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: As I say, In terms of social media, and if

840
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: you even want to call social media, yes, I'm dedicated

841
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: follower of Twitter terms of the other formats. You know,

842
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,760
Speaker 1: I've had an accounted Instagram. I didn't post for years,

843
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: and I did post a couple of times. It's an

844
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: interesting time because it's also because of all the messages,

845
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: it's harder than ever to uh build an audience. But

846
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: I found that these platforms are littered with self promotion,

847
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: which I find a turn off. Yeah, I mean I

848
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: think that's the other thing is that it's it's how

849
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: do you engage your audience now without coming off as

850
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: inauthentic or unauthentic, like you know, authenticity. People are are

851
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: really clamoring for authenticity. And it's it's one of the

852
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 1: things that drives me crazy. You know. It's um the

853
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: Instagram model who spouts off beautiful things about wellness and

854
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,479
Speaker 1: here's a picture of me of my ass and the thong.

855
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: It's like it doesn't work for me. There's a it's

856
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: not there's no connection there, and I think I think

857
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: that um that you know, it's it's the line that

858
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: seems to be running around everywhere now is read the

859
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: room is you know, you've got to be able to

860
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: know how to uh how to market and how to

861
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: uh engage your fans in an authentic way right now,

862
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: and you've got to be smart about it. Um, you're

863
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: seeing a lot of ads. I saw someone on Twitter

864
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: the day talk about all these ads coming from the

865
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: big corporations about how and how fast they're turning these

866
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: ads around to buy my product in these trying times,

867
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: Like you know, who's writing the copy and how difficult

868
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: a job that is to write that kind of copy. Um,

869
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: I think everyone's still trying to figure it out. The

870
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: one thing I am doing more often than not is

871
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 1: I think I'm giving people the benefit of the doubt

872
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: because I know everyone's trying to figure it out, and

873
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: everyone's everyone's a little lost, and some people are doing

874
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: it really well and some people aren't doing it as

875
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: well all, and I think maybe we should be a

876
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: little bit more forgiving to those people because they haven't

877
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 1: figured it out yet. Well, however, there's been a huge

878
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: you talk about reading the room, huge celebrity backlash, you know,

879
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: to Gal Gadot and imagine with her other celebrities, David

880
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 1: Jeffen in his yacht. And that's an interesting situation because

881
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: in reality that's been going on for years, and that

882
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 1: the celebrities are not who don't have the status and

883
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: the adoration they used to have before. Well, I don't.

884
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting you're saying that because um I

885
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: read an interesting article in Vanity Fair. I don't know

886
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: if I sent it to you or not, but it

887
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: was all about you know, that that that this could

888
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: be the death of the so called influencer right right,

889
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: and I did that and whether and whether whether, and

890
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 1: that goes with artists too, because there are plenty of

891
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 1: artists out there who are who have market themselves more

892
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: as sort of an influencer or someone who does this

893
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: one thing, but they also do these other things and

894
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: music may not be there no or one thing, but

895
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: they're trying to sell music off the back of what

896
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 1: they're known for, you know. Um uh. I think the

897
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,720
Speaker 1: only one that's ever done it really successful and managed

898
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: to come out the other side was Jack Johnson, who

899
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: was not an artist when he first started, who right right.

900
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,919
Speaker 1: But most of the rest we kind of have looked

901
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: at and went there's not a lot of credibility there.

902
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: I think that the influences who are as I like

903
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:30,879
Speaker 1: to say, famous for being famous may not may not

904
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: last through. The ones that are really really big in

905
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: the Kardashian level, I think they're teflon at this point.

906
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's interesting because in today's New York

907
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: Times Style section they have a whole story how the

908
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: fashion business is being hurt by the postponement of Coachella.

909
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: This really shows that it's not about the music. They

910
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: happen to have a picture of an influencer there wearing

911
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: her outfit that you go there to parade your look

912
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: and if the other thing, which is sort of amazing

913
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:03,720
Speaker 1: with fast fashion, they say, a lot of these people

914
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 1: just by the clothes for the weekend and literally throw

915
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: them away. Yeah, However, Jake, why are Canada and Toronto's

916
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: such epicenter of musical innovation and stature? You mean, why

917
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 1: is the weekend and Drake number one in two the charts?

918
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 1: That's we well, not time before that you had uh

919
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 1: broken social scene from Montreal, etcetera. Arcade fire. You mean

920
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 1: from from Yeah. Yeah. I think one of the things

921
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: that we like a lot of European countries for what

922
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: it's worth is we invest in the arts as a

923
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: as a country. Uh. We have a great um, we

924
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: have a great uh system of supporting the arts from

925
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: grants UM, grants to companies, grants to artists. Um, there's

926
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: an infrastructure. There's infrastructure grants. UM. There's so you know,

927
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 1: if you think about it, if if if a record company,

928
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 1: independent record companies getting a grant to make a record,

929
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:09,760
Speaker 1: they're they're able to give the artists, um uh an advance.

930
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,280
Speaker 1: It's not a major label type advance, but it's also

931
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna not gonna have as much debt to recoup. Um.

932
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: There we're supporting recording studios, were supporting video production. UM.

933
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 1: There's grants for film and television. So those people will

934
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: get more money for their grants, um if they use

935
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: Canadian music, because you get you know, based on how

936
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: much Canadian content you put in your films dictates how

937
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: much of the grant you can get. So there's all

938
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: kinds of stuff like that. So when you look at that,

939
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 1: how it supports an overall echosystem, ecosystem and then here

940
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: we are kind of a training ground because we can

941
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: get our feet wet. And you know, most Canadian bands

942
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 1: that tour are really good live bands, and a lot

943
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 1: of them by the time they get to America, they're

944
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: they're all formed entities that know how to go out

945
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: there on the road. And I remember in the days

946
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: of the Hip when we would go into places in

947
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 1: America to play, they would all say, wow, like, you

948
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 1: guys are like really together. You know, we'll be playing

949
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 1: three clubs and most of the band's playing three clubs.

950
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: We're not that together. Like, you know, we were like

951
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 1: a machine and and and we were also nice to

952
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: the people there, and they would be like and they'd

953
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 1: be like, you guys must be Canadian, you're nice. You know.

954
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 1: It was like that was I hate to say it,

955
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: but that's what we used to get all the time.

956
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: And so we're kind of we have this great, um,

957
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 1: great training ground per se to get it going. Now

958
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 1: that that wasn't always the case, but but and it's

959
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 1: almost like a proof of concept in a lot of ways,

960
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: um and everyone's looking for proof of concept today, so

961
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: that has a big part to do with it too. Okay,

962
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: is we're doing this remotely in our COVID nineteen initiation.

963
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: Anything we haven't covered, Um, I don't know if if

964
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 1: there's anything we haven't covered, but but I want to

965
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: ask you a couple of questions since we're since we're

966
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 1: back and forth. UM, one of the things I noticed

967
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 1: is is obviously and for a lot of reasons, and

968
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: you and I have discussed this, you know ourselves internally,

969
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: let's just call it. UM. You know you're really getting

970
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: political these days. You're spending a lot of time on politics.

971
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: I noticed you backed off the last few days and

972
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,839
Speaker 1: you've been um, you've been writing, there's you know, back

973
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: to more music stuff and everything else. How are you

974
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: dealing with the crap that you're getting? I saw that

975
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: hold on. I saw one post and I it gave

976
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 1: me shivers. The guy with the guns that said he's

977
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: coming for Sean Marmelo was let's continue to hear from him,

978
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 1: and you continue to print his name too, as anybody

979
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 1: written back and said, I know that guy like you

980
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 1: know everyone's written about because you know today everybody's searchable online,

981
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: right so they can see it. He is a country

982
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 1: singer from I forget the state, but I have not

983
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 1: heard from anybody who knows him. In terms of writing

984
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 1: about politics, there's a lot of things going on. Let

985
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: me try to break it down a little bit. Um one.

986
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: That is the story of our time, just like music

987
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: was the Canarian the coal mine for digital disruption, and

988
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 1: it's amazing. If you look at television. New York Times

989
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 1: did a number of streaming services. There's like thirty pace

990
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: streaming services. It's just crazy where we can get everything

991
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 1: on one service, although there are a few services, and uh,

992
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 1: we have it figured out now. The fascinating thing is

993
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 1: all of the people who said the Internet is going

994
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: to kill the music business, that was untrue. C D

995
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:53,439
Speaker 1: did not survive. They were left in the past. So

996
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 1: is that equivalent in this political thing? You know, are

997
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 1: we going to see breakthrough? We're going to see a

998
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: change in government in the United States and it's literally

999
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 1: life and death. So what do I know? If I

1000
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 1: write about we'll call it politics. And the coronavirus responses voluminous,

1001
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 1: just like in the days of Napster. If I write

1002
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: about music, it's much much smaller. I get all these

1003
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 1: daily newsletters, a record of the day from England. And

1004
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: the funny thing is they're not shorter whatsoever. It's just

1005
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 1: the news is more irrelevant. So ultimately comes down to

1006
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 1: the music, and we're focusing on music at this time. Yes,

1007
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: by writing about politics, I lose some subscribe it. There's

1008
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 1: a lot of thoughts. I could do twenty minutes on this,

1009
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 1: but I won't. First, if you listen to the audience,

1010
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: you're screwed. If you're an artist, you have to do

1011
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: what residates the plastic person here being Neil Young. If

1012
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 1: you look back at Neil Young's history, he had a

1013
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 1: gigantic album with Harvest, which was his fourth album after

1014
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 1: the gold Rush. Before that was pretty big. He went

1015
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 1: on an arena tour and he played all new music

1016
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: and would say and then he said, okay, I'm gonna

1017
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: play something you know and you've heard already. Then he

1018
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,479
Speaker 1: played a song from the same gig. Needless to say,

1019
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 1: he could not play arenas thereafter. But people are still

1020
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 1: interested in the new music of Neil Young. They're not

1021
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: interested in the new music of Crosby Stills or Nash,

1022
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 1: certainly not in that volume. So the other thing was

1023
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 1: I did a podcast with Pete Tongue and this is

1024
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 1: really resonated with me. We're talking about his live career, Pete.

1025
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: You know, it's got many enterprises doing very well. It

1026
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: was fabulous. But one thing he said that really is

1027
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 1: stuck with me is that, Okay, his live business is

1028
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: not as big as it used to be. And I said, well,

1029
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: could it be that big again? And he said he

1030
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 1: would have to reinvent himself. Now, this is an interesting

1031
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 1: thing in the music business. The classic acts. Uh, they're

1032
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: going out and they're playing the old tunes lucratively, if

1033
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: that's a word, it's you know, they're making a lot

1034
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: of money. No one wants to hear the new music.

1035
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: How fulfilling is it for those people? If you look

1036
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: at the legends David Bowie, I was there early, huge fan,

1037
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: saw Ziggy Stardust. He constantly changed. Some things you'd like,

1038
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 1: some things you didn't, but he is the name that remains.

1039
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 1: The other thing I remember Brian Adam telling about Canadian

1040
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 1: Everyone said, oh, your music is not current enough, you're

1041
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: not taking topics on and then he made an album

1042
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: doing that and it was nowhere nearer successful. Then he

1043
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: went back to the old formula. So I believe I

1044
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 1: have to do what resonates and what I have found

1045
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 1: is because I save all my email. The people who

1046
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: are bitching are always the same people bitching. Ironically, the

1047
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 1: people who email you who disagree with you on politics,

1048
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: they don't sign off. They're just working the refs. So people,

1049
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: those are the same people that hate Trump but follow Trump,

1050
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: and the same people that hate Pelosi but follow Pelosi. Right,

1051
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: the same people right well, as I say, if in

1052
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 1: terms of the right wing, uh, there's certainly they're trying

1053
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: to work the refs. I hear from these people some

1054
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 1: every day. Okay, you would think if they didn't like

1055
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 1: what I write, they would sign off, but they don't.

1056
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 1: But yesterday I sent a number of things, and I'm

1057
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 1: always weary. I used to send up to five things

1058
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: a day, but I sent three things in a day,

1059
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 1: and usually inherently you get sign offs. The third thing

1060
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:51,919
Speaker 1: was political. I didn't lose the single subscriber net net.

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00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 1: But what I've also, you know, you start to learn, interestingly,

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00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 1: I lose most subscribers when I print a mail bag,

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01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: the all the viewpoints. I can't exactly explain why, whether

1064
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 1: people just overwhelmed. If they hear it from me, they're okay.

1065
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 1: If they hear from all these other people on both sides.

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01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 1: Somehow it overwhelms. You know, I don't know why they

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01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 1: have done subscribed. They can just delete, you know, like Okay,

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01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 1: I don't like mail bag, I'm not gonna read mail bag.

1069
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: Or maybe they're in the mail bag and they didn't

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01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 1: and they realized that afterwards and they decided I'm gonna subscribe.

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01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 1: Be interesting to see how many of your unsubscribers were

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01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 1: people you mentioned in the mail bag, to see if

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01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 1: there's a correlation. There never never, but I have had

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01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 1: people send me hainous me mail and sign off and

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01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 1: I printed their heinous email. You always wonder if they

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01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 1: read it. Yeah, yeah, I know that. I know that.

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Speaker 1: I have another question for you before I go there.

1078
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: I want to say one thing is that, um, the

1079
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 1: people who are mad about politics always tell you they're unsubscribing.

1080
01:00:57,880 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 1: There's a link at the bottom of the you know,

1081
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 1: they to do it themselves, but they have to tell

1082
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: you take me off the list, right, Yeah, and then

1083
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 1: you can print that, and that's great. I love reading those.

1084
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 1: I love reading those because those people, if if they

1085
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 1: did it right after they sent it to you, then

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01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 1: they never got to read their own email. In your

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01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 1: mail bag. Let me let me ask you the next question.

1088
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 1: I don't know when this thing is going to go

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01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 1: to air. Is it gonna go to air within the

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01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 1: next seven days? Probably? Okay, So it's gonna go to

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01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: air around the time of your birthday. Your birthday is

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01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 1: coming up, And how do you feel about that? Like,

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01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 1: this will be your, like me, your first quarantined birthday,

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01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 1: and usually, well, I know you're not a giant birthday.

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01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 1: We've had a couple of big birthday parties for you

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01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 1: had a big fifty, we had a big sixty. Um,

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01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 1: it's gonna be your first quarantine birthday. Uh, how is

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01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 1: that going to feel? Well? I've had a couple of

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01:01:52,920 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 1: birthdays that haven't been uh, you know, as meaningful. Add One,

1100
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 1: I like to go to the closing week of AIL

1101
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 1: and go skiing, and especially the closing week was my birthday.

1102
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 1: The subsequent year, my birthday was the day after closing

1103
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 1: and I flew home on an airplane, And so my

1104
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 1: expectations not that high. But as I get older, what

1105
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 1: bothers me about my birthday is it comes and goes

1106
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 1: so fast. You think about it coming for like three months,

1107
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 1: that it's one day and it already happens, so I

1108
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 1: have rituals on my birthday. Um in nine seven, I

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01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 1: went for pastrami sandwich at Langer's, then went to see

1110
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 1: the movie Annie Hall, and then went for a Sunday

1111
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 1: at a legendary place on Hollywood Boulevard that no longer

1112
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 1: exists called C. C. Browns. So that's what I do

1113
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 1: every birthday the last couple of years. Some there has

1114
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 1: occasionally there hasn't been a good movie, and I've watched Netflix.

1115
01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 1: Always go for the pastrami sandwich, Always have the ice cream.

1116
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 1: What I'm thinking about is getting a z Bars send

1117
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 1: and sort of have my own celebration here. I'm also

1118
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 1: the question would be my sister said, do I want

1119
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 1: a Zoom birthday party? Now, you had a Zoom birthday

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Speaker 1: party with thirty people. But the only thing about Zoom

1121
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 1: is it's cacophony. You can't know, everyone's talking, it's fun,

1122
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 1: everybody's here, but you can't make any pro No, Actually,

1123
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 1: you've got him. All you have to do is you

1124
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 1: have to have someone that sort of takes control of

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01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 1: the party, right, and in that case it could be you.

1126
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 1: Where I like, I went around the room and asked

1127
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 1: everyone to give recommendations on what they've been streaming and

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01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 1: watching so they could hear from other people. So a

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01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 1: lot of people are thinking, what else are you doing?

1130
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 1: How are you coping? Everyone got to tell their story. Um.

1131
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 1: And then at the end somebody said to me, you know,

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01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 1: what did you what did you learn in the past year?

1133
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 1: And I gave my piece on what I learned in

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01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 1: the past year. So I think if you can monitor

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01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 1: it and make it seem like it's almost because if

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01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 1: you're a panel but there's thirty forty people there, and

1137
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 1: give everyone a chance to talk and introduce everyone as everyone.

1138
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 1: Because I was on first, as everyone joined, I would

1139
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 1: introduce everybody. They would come on, I'd say, hey, everybody,

1140
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 1: this is so and so, and it was like I

1141
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 1: was the conductor of it. So I think, if you're

1142
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 1: gonna have a Zoom birthday party, someone's got to take

1143
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 1: the reins and do it that way. Otherwise you're right,

1144
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 1: it can go crazy. Um. But you also have, you know,

1145
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 1: the the chat bar on the side. If people want

1146
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 1: to talk amongst themselves, you can tell them. My only

1147
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 1: problem is people are not that Zoom savvy and you

1148
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 1: and you send him a message and they don't they're

1149
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 1: not savvy enough to read it. Yeah, but if you

1150
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 1: tell them what it is, you know, like I did

1151
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 1: a b y o C. Bring your own cake, and

1152
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of people all had a piece of cake.

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01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 1: So when I ate the cake that I had everyone

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01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 1: ate cake with me. So we knows a good idea, right,

1155
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 1: I said, b y O C. Now the amount of

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01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 1: people that came back with what they saw C stood

1157
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 1: for and it wasn't cake that I had to explain

1158
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 1: to them what the sea was for. But people, a

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01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 1: bunch of people had cake and even had a candle

1160
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 1: in it and they blew out the candle when I

1161
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 1: blew out the candle. So you can make it a theme.

1162
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 1: You can say dressed like Bob, you know where your

1163
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 1: best ski outfit, you can wear ski goggles, can do

1164
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 1: whatever you want. But if you want to have fun

1165
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 1: with it, have fun with it. But you gotta you

1166
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 1: gotta control the flow. If you don't control the flow,

1167
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 1: It's like I did the podcast the other day with

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01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 1: UM with Steiny, and there was six people on the cast,

1169
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 1: and because he was hosting it, he controlled the flow,

1170
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 1: so it was much easier to make it work. So

1171
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 1: it's up to you if you want to control the flow.

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Speaker 1: Like okay, so Jake, before we come to the end

1173
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 1: of the field, we've known any more questions for me? No,

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01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 1: I think I think I was saving that question for

1175
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 1: the end. That was I was actually saving that question

1176
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 1: knowing that we're almost at an hour here and we're

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01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 1: almost wrapped up. Okay, Well, you know it's interesting because

1178
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 1: you know, they always talk about roadmaps with software, and

1179
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 1: they always talk about how much runway they have. I

1180
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 1: will be sick seven. Most people lie about the rage,

1181
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 1: but you can look it up on Wikipedia by the

1182
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 1: same token. There's a lot of fake stuff there, Leo

1183
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 1: or Cone, Tommy Mottola. They're taking years off. What what

1184
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 1: difference does it make? But today I got the news

1185
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 1: Brian Denna he died, and and last week it was

1186
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 1: um Alan Garfield. It was in a million movies and

1187
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 1: so anyway, Brian Denna he died. You know, he was

1188
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:32,880
Speaker 1: a great actor and he see he's eighty one, so

1189
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 1: well ship my father died at seventy. But it's like,

1190
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 1: ok so we're already in bonus dimond. It's like it's

1191
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 1: like like people say they want to die in their sleep.

1192
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 1: But I don't want to die in my sleep. I

1193
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 1: don't want to see it coming. Okay, I want to

1194
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 1: know it's the end. But if somebody and if you're killed.

1195
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get killed in a car accident without

1196
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 1: driving at this time. But you know, if there's an accident,

1197
01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:00,920
Speaker 1: so be it. But to think there's a limited time left.

1198
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 1: I feel good about the path I've taken, but it's scary. Yeah,

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01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 1: I guess you can look at it that way, or

1200
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 1: you can just look at it is. You know, live

1201
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 1: in the moment, enjoy the time you've got. You live,

1202
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 1: you know overall, if you if you had perspective, and

1203
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 1: I know you have perspective, Um, you look around and

1204
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 1: see the life you live. You ski, you have good

1205
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 1: friends that that that communicate with you, regularly check in

1206
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 1: on you. You have, you have a great girlfriend. You

1207
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 1: live a comfortable life. Could be worse. I look around,

1208
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:36,440
Speaker 1: especially today and see uh and and and literally think

1209
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 1: think how lucky I am. You know that I'm actually

1210
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 1: being able to Let's reach to the classic. What is

1211
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 1: on the bucket list, Jake, I don't have a bucket list, Bob,

1212
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 1: I have a bucket list okay, and and the fucket

1213
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:55,240
Speaker 1: list is if I feel like I want to go

1214
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:58,920
Speaker 1: do something, I just go do it. And I say,

1215
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:00,920
Speaker 1: and I don't look at my bank account and I

1216
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 1: don't look at my credit card and I'm fortunate enough

1217
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 1: that I can do it. Can I do stupid? It's

1218
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 1: really extravagant things? Bye bye bye extravagant people standards? Probably not.

1219
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 1: Can I do things like I really like that piece

1220
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 1: of art and it costs, you know, money, I'm gonna

1221
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 1: buy it. Yeah, I'll go buy it because I want

1222
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 1: to own it and I love art. You know. So

1223
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 1: I know you're a big tennis player if you've been

1224
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:25,479
Speaker 1: to all four majors. I've been to all four majors.

1225
01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 1: I've been to a lot of the smaller tournaments as well.

1226
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 1: I still want to go back to some of them.

1227
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 1: Um so so. So that's why I don't really have

1228
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 1: a bucket list. I have this idea that if I

1229
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:39,280
Speaker 1: want to go do something, I'm gonna go do it.

1230
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:41,439
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny. Someone says, what are you gonna

1231
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 1: do when all this is over? And I said, I'm

1232
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:46,200
Speaker 1: gonna go to an island And they said what and

1233
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 1: be alone? I said, well maybe with somebody else, but

1234
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:52,439
Speaker 1: you know, literally shut down from social media, lie in

1235
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 1: the sun, be on an ocean, and and just chill

1236
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:59,559
Speaker 1: right because even though we're isolated, I wouldn't call it chilling.

1237
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 1: Not a lot of chilling going on, especially if you

1238
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 1: turn on the news. I mean I got the TV

1239
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 1: on now. They're saying there's a big announcement coming soon,

1240
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 1: So it's like, who the funk knows what's going on?

1241
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 1: Like every every day it changes, right, so it certainly

1242
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 1: does in any of them. I think that's a good

1243
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:20,800
Speaker 1: note to end on. Jake, thanks so much for doing

1244
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 1: this to be safe, Bob, and I'm sure I'll talk

1245
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 1: to you, but publicly, happy birthday. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Until next time. This is Bob Left Things