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Speaker 2: Those who really believed in the American process, all of

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Speaker 1: On the Black.

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Speaker 2: Effect Podcast Network, Hello, Hello, hello everybody. Well, today's sparked

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Speaker 2: a very interesting conversation. I made a post before I

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Speaker 2: bring my special guests in tonight uh Impromptu live because

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Speaker 2: the conversation was so good. I said, let me tap

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Speaker 2: in to the good brother, doctor Steve Perry, so we

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Speaker 2: can have this conversation. So just a little set up

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Speaker 2: chat if you can hear me. Thank you for joining.

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Speaker 2: I went to my daughter's college orientation today and the

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Speaker 2: numbers were alarming when they talked about eighty eight men

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Speaker 2: So I made the posts about wanting to know what

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Speaker 2: motivates black men to go to college.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: I did this because I constantly have conversations about higher education,

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Speaker 2: and I already know which y'all don't like about education.

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Speaker 2: I already know you're gonna say a trade is better.

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Speaker 2: I should have made a trade. I should have did

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Speaker 2: Black women got degrees, they wasted their money in they time.

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Speaker 2: Don't nobody want to know? Student loan blah blah blah

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Speaker 2: of that. So when I made the posts, I'll put

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Speaker 2: in the caption, Hey, I already know why people don't go,

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Speaker 2: meaning all of the things that I just said. But

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Speaker 2: this post is about what motivated the black men that

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Speaker 2: did go and attend. Somebody in the comments put a

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Speaker 2: have got a trade. And even a sister said, well

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Speaker 2: it's better to get a trade, or you make more

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Speaker 2: money as a trade, or why don't you get a trade,

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Speaker 2: or some people even claim to say I did both.

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Speaker 2: So so the good doctor Steve Perry is going to

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Speaker 2: join us to unpack why this is such a complicated

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Speaker 2: question when it comes that, thank you, there's a tendant

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Speaker 2: and then there's graduated. So the good doctor Perry is

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Speaker 2: many of us, in particular our brothers. So let's bring

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Speaker 2: him on, doctor Steve Perry. Not an honorary degree, but.

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Speaker 1: This one actually is it? No? No, but this one

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Speaker 2: Let's focus on the real one. Degree is really confused.

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Speaker 2: And now let's focus on the realtor. And you are

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Speaker 2: not only that, and you know, I know you are

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Speaker 2: know the position and what you're coming from. Can you

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Speaker 2: current opposition and Capital Trick, and just a little bit

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Speaker 1: So sure, first of all, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: This is a very important conversation and quite frankly es

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Speaker 1: central to everything I do every day. I'm the head

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Speaker 1: of schools and founder of Capital Preparatory Schools, in New

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Speaker 1: we've been made to feel like we're stupid. These schools

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Speaker 1: if you get a degree. Doesn't mean people don't have

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Speaker 2: And so let's deal with because one of I want

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Speaker 2: I kind of want to unpack this one on one.

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Speaker 2: Number one, one by one, I make bore money at

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Speaker 2: whether that be a trade, a skill, a degree, a

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Speaker 2: you don't have a degree, Well what about your background,

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Speaker 1: school is dope. That's dope, full stop, and you already

433
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 1: had a bunch of degrees. But more importantly, the reason

434
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,439
Speaker 1: why schir A Lamain calls you the hood whisper is

435
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 1: because you are as comfortable on the block as you

436
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 1: are on the corner. You can't organize our people if

437
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 1: you can't be seen by our people as one of them.

438
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 1: And one of the most important parts of what you

439
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 1: bring to this global zeicheist is you are someone who allows,

440
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,919
Speaker 1: now I'm gonna stay with black women, black women in particular,

441
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: the opportunity to feel like so I can speak my

442
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:24,159
Speaker 1: authentic self braids and and and and and and bombshell

443
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 1: and brains all at the same time, I could be

444
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 1: all that. Yes, yes you can, and every day in

445
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 1: your person. My little girls they see you on Fox

446
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 1: because my little girls will say, you know her, Yeah,

447
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 1: I know her? What she she? They say, she talks

448
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 1: like we talk. She is one of us. And for

449
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:54,239
Speaker 1: many black people, the challenges feeling like if I go

450
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 1: to get an education, I'm gonna be extricated from the

451
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: community and I'm no longer going to be one of few.

452
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: And you think I do, because how about this. How

453
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 1: many times have you seen a going away party for

454
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: a kid's going to college versus going away party for

455
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 1: somebody's going to jail?

456
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,679
Speaker 2: But I know for sure, well they do plenty of

457
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,679
Speaker 2: parties when you come home. I do think there's some

458
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,679
Speaker 2: truth to that, But I also think and I'm not

459
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 2: disagreeing with that, but I think it is more what

460
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 2: you said in the beginning, not believing that you can

461
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 2: not believe somebody's not telling you. And I tell people

462
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 2: that all the time, and shut again. Maurice, I know

463
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 2: him personally. I remember when he was pushing, working really

464
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 2: hard and studying to get all of his OLCEHAP certifications

465
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 2: because I was in HR at the time and Maurice

466
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 2: did a lot of his ocean certifications. I tell people everyday,

467
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 2: for every one person that tells you you can't do it,

468
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 2: think about ten of me telling you that you can.

469
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,239
Speaker 2: I think people believe that it is so unattainable, and

470
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 2: because they've reached a certain age, because a lot of

471
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 2: this has to do with age too. You know, my

472
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 2: time has passed on. I don't have any time left.

473
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 2: What's the point now? And and because of like we

474
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 2: talked about earlier people, there's more people at the family

475
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 2: reunion that doesn't have it that does say you thank

476
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 2: you all that because you got a degree, You think

477
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 2: you smarter than us, you wish you that, or whatever that.

478
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 2: People tend to have a negative approach or like we're

479
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:19,959
Speaker 2: seeing here in the comments. I want to make sure

480
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 2: I read mk We's comment or like we're seeing here

481
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,719
Speaker 2: in the comments. Oh everybody's gonna need a plumber, but

482
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,919
Speaker 2: everybody don't need a degree. Let me give you some

483
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 2: breaking news. You can be the plumber and have the degree.

484
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 2: Let me say that one more time. You can be

485
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 2: the plumber and have the degree. And I want to

486
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 2: point on this. There's something called physical labor. And y'all

487
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 2: need to really get this cause let me tell you

488
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 2: what the one because because a brother made a comment

489
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 2: about well, you know, you pretend to respect the blue collar. Yeah, okay, whatever.

490
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 2: I was married to a mechanic. That's all I've ever

491
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 2: been with. Everybody know that blue collar that's that's it.

492
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 2: That's all I've ever been with. When I first got

493
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 2: Mary Maya's husband made three or four times me as

494
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 2: I was going to school to get my degree. Jeff

495
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 2: It still does well as the manager of FedEx over

496
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 2: all the FedEx fleet. But do you know what the

497
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 2: twelve and fourteen hours, six seven days a week has

498
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 2: done now at his big age at fifty two, walking

499
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 2: with a limb, having health issues, not being able to see.

500
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 2: So when people say why can just be a plumber,

501
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 2: let's talk about what are you gonna do as you

502
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 2: start getting into your fifties and sixties and seventies. The

503
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 2: ability to be able to do the physical labor with

504
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 2: the arth rightist, with the joint, the bone, the bone

505
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 2: like my uncle love him to death, but he boned

506
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 2: the bond. He was a sanitation worker for twenty five years.

507
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 2: All of those things that physically are going to break

508
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 2: your body down is where the degree can come in.

509
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 2: And this is why I'm gonna say this. This is

510
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 2: when I'm talking about the Black family and the nucleus

511
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 2: of the Black family, I say we need it all

512
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 2: in our families. Somebody need to have the degree. Somebody

513
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 2: need to be a plumber, Somebody need to be a

514
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 2: business owner. Somebody need to be a scholar. We cannot

515
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 2: afford to tell each other or that person in the

516
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 2: family that, no, you don't need to do this. Everybody

517
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 2: can't be plumbers of doctor Perry. Everybody can't be content creators.

518
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 2: Everybody can't be accountants, everybody can't be attorneys. But for

519
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 2: us to sit up here and be negative and say

520
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 2: you don't need something in a space where we don't

521
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 2: have what we have to even compete with our right

522
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 2: counterparts is ridiculous. It's as backwards and it is detrimental

523
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 2: to black society. It just makes no sense at all.

524
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: We have unfortunately run into this business collision where when

525
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: you rightly point out the importance, so it's just say

526
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: Ebony points out them.

527
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 2: Let us know, because she's a like every love making

528
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 2: sure y'all know she can do nails. You know. She

529
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 2: always say, hey, if the degree don't work out, if

530
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 2: being in the turn don't work out, I will do

531
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 2: a manicure and pedicure on you.

532
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: So we talking about the box we got we got,

533
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: We go over up a spar I cut the hair

534
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: she can do and off with.

535
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 2: The curls on. I do not Wade. Oh, your mamma

536
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 2: was a licensed cosmetologist. Wants to my mother do these things?

537
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 2: And this is where we go back to what you

538
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 2: see you believe my mother worked at the television station

539
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 2: as a secretary. She came home. She had creative typing service,

540
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 2: her own business where she did the programs the of

541
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 2: visuaries for the church. She also was a licensed cosmetologist.

542
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 2: Watching her do Wade Newbaus and and Jerry Curls. She

543
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 2: was a licensed realtor. Shout out to the sister that's

544
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 2: a realtor that said, you don't need a degree. My

545
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 2: mother disagreed. She set soul real estate for real for

546
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 2: a bye real estate. She's so herbal life as she

547
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 2: was a fox, a stone cold fox, an Ebony magazine

548
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 2: bachelor wreck. When I say my mama checked the boxes, mail,

549
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 2: Oh no, she checked the boxes. A member of Alpha

550
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 2: Kappa Alpha. Shout out to m W. B. K Willis,

551
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 2: She checked the boxes, baby, So I'll watched my mother

552
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 2: check the boxes, so all I knew was to check

553
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 2: the boxes. Check the boxes, check the boxes. Nobody's saying

554
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 2: don't be an entrepreneur. Nobody's saying, don't get a skill

555
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 2: nobody's saying don't get a trade. Well, we're saying right now,

556
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, you better have it all because this

557
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,959
Speaker 2: administration got something for your ass. If you think that

558
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 2: that you're gonna sit back and be able to figure

559
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 2: it out without having the box checking all the boxes,

560
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 2: then you're in trouble.

561
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: Let's break down what people For a lot of people

562
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: if not had the chance to go to college or

563
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: not taking the chance, I don't know what your circumstances are.

564
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: What going to college essentially is is learning how to

565
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: learn something in a period that you have been prescribed

566
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: and proving that you know how to do it. That

567
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: is a skill that you will take you through in

568
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,040
Speaker 1: anything you want to do, whether you are majoring in

569
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: theater or biology. Taking learning to do something that someone

570
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: who who is ostensibly your boss tells you they want

571
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: you to know how to do and showing them that

572
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,239
Speaker 1: you really know how to do it is how you

573
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: will advance throughout the rest of your life. Now, your

574
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: boss may be an individual, or it may be a

575
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: client or a cash of clients, whatever it is, learning

576
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: how to write and communicate effectively is something you will

577
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: need to do even now when you text and send

578
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: emails when someone receives something from you that is important.

579
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: Having basic number since understanding how numbers move around is

580
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: not going to hurt you. It's not bad for you, period.

581
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: So doing those things, having those skills, and having another

582
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: skill only make you more skilled, not less. But again,

583
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: so many of us are led to believe that by

584
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: being an educated person that you are in fact not

585
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: as black as everybody else. It is still, sadly an

586
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: insult that we use when we call young people who

587
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: speak a particular way white, as if that's a thing,

588
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: or putting people in a position where at the cookout

589
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: it's more appropriate to talk about what we have in common.

590
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: You know your story about birthdays, I want you to

591
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: share that, but talk about what we have in common

592
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: as opposed to putting it out there and be aspirational.

593
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: What if during I'm just pointing here because we had

594
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: a cook out here this weekend. What if during the

595
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: cookout somebody went out on a limit, say you know,

596
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: I want I'm thinking about going back to school, and

597
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: then we all huddled around. I'm like, yeah, what's up,

598
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: let's go, let's do that. You got that, let me

599
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: show you, let me call this person, let me call

600
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: that person, as opposed to who's on what team? In spades?

601
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: And what if? What if during that time that we

602
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: were building up, Because don't think for a second, the

603
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: people from the communities that are telling you that they

604
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: want more trades are saying that because they want you

605
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: to own a business. They just need more people to

606
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: work for them and to break their bodies, literally break

607
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: their bodies. I watched as this was being built. I

608
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: watched them climb up underneath it, and I was like, dang,

609
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that. And I remember when I was younger,

610
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: living in public housing. It wasn't that I was the

611
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: smallest cat on my block. It was just that when

612
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: I saw these other dudes were doing to make money.

613
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: First of all, I was one hundred and forty five

614
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: pounds of light skin. Prison was not for me, so

615
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: slinging anything was out of the question. I was like,

616
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: that's easy. They'll take that off that on the career study.

617
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: You don't have to worry about me picking that. And

618
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: then when I saw dudes in the summer cooking on

619
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: the roof, tacking ash fall off, or I saw them

620
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: outside in the winter shoveling or or I just thought,

621
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: I want to be inside, man like I don't. I

622
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: don't know what inside looks like, but I want to

623
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:10,479
Speaker 1: be inside. Inside definitely seem like it's a better place. Sadly, though,

624
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: if you go to most historically black college campuses, what

625
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: you will find a very few black men, very few

626
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: and and.

627
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 2: And there's no disrespect to the LGBT community, but a

628
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 2: lot of the black men that are there are from

629
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 2: the LGBT community.

630
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 1: That's just a fact in fact, and in many cases

631
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: is And I'm saying that if you think of it

632
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: just as it is.

633
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 2: And I don't know nobody saying I'm being homophobic. I

634
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 2: want to point out why we're pointing that out. When

635
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 2: we talk about building the black family, you know that

636
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 2: that they say they all about building. And we talk

637
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 2: about my daughter compared to white women that go to

638
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 2: college and meet their husbands. You know, both both my

639
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 2: best friends met their husbands in college. I did not.

640
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 2: That's it. I'm married the the mechanic. But when we

641
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,760
Speaker 2: talk about the white woman that actually goes to college

642
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 2: with ring before springing in mind, and for those of

643
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 2: you who don't know what that means, it is very

644
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 2: intentional when white women are sent to college with the

645
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 2: intention of networking, being around, congregating and marrying a peer

646
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 2: that is on the same life trajectory as hers. So

647
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 2: when you send a black girl to college and it

648
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 2: is eighty eight women for every one man, who is

649
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 2: Jada going to meet? And that's obviously not while I'm

650
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 2: senter to college. But I want you to know when

651
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 2: we talk about, what are the chances of those women

652
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 2: actually meeting men in college that they fall in love with,

653
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 2: that they graduate together. Because you know, they all about

654
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 2: let's build bill bill, so build that's the building phase,

655
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 2: getting out of college, building together, getting our house together,

656
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 2: getting our biggs, getting our children together. At that age,

657
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 2: what is the likelihood that black heterical sexual women and

658
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 2: men can do that if the majority, if there's eighty

659
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 2: eight women for every one man, and then that one

660
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 2: man is more than likely not henial sexual. So these

661
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 2: are the things you know that that we're that we're

662
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 2: talking about. One brother said, well, that's exactly why to

663
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 2: go to HBCU. I guess he suggested he date the

664
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 2: white women. I guess, And what okay with the fine?

665
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 2: But for those that want to say black men and

666
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 2: black women this is simply a numbers game. This is

667
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 2: simply just a numbers game. And again, I keep going

668
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 2: back to a seat, what is wrong with having both

669
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 2: where let's say that, here's the both. Let's say that,

670
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 2: why not the boat.

671
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's say that for a second. I want to

672
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 1: continue down that conversation. There are certain personality types of

673
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: boys that again we're talking pure stereotypes, so he relaxed.

674
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: But when we look at what we would consider the

675
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: traditional athletic boy, the kind of boy who needs a

676
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 1: coach to get up in his chest in the most

677
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: aggressive way for him to understand. Okay, okay, I understand

678
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: what you're saying. I get what I get where you're

679
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 1: coming from. Who doesn't respond to the passive aggressive teacher,

680
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: who likely is female, who is put off by his

681
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: willingness to tackle somebody in class because that's just the

682
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: way he communicates. He's not being rough, he's just being himself.

683
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: That personality, which is typically assigned to heterosexual boys, typically

684
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 1: assigned heterosexual boys in masculinity, is the most reviled personality

685
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: in education. And I want to say that again. I

686
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,760
Speaker 1: want people to understand. How many times have the mothers

687
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: of boys found yourself down at the school trying to

688
00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: explain why he didn't mean it when hemp on his

689
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 1: friend's back. He would do that at home if he

690
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,760
Speaker 1: was if his brother accusses with home, they would jump

691
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 1: on my I used to call it bumbling, be upstairs,

692
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: bumbling and and just literally up there fighting because that

693
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: was a way they communicate it. Those boys who communicate

694
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: that way are going to be ostracized. If they play

695
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: sports well, they will be in the bubble for as

696
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 1: long as they play sports well, and they are their

697
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: bodies can be used for the commodity of the school's

698
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: success and visibility. So as long as they do right,

699
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: long as they keep producing, catching, throwing balls, they'll be fine.

700
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: But there's a large passion of boys who have that

701
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: same exact personality type who do not play sports. Maybe

702
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: some of them rhyme, maybe, but most of them don't

703
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 1: rhyme terribly well, trust me on this one. And just

704
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: because cuss words they didn't talk about drug that, it

705
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: didn't make it any better. It's bad performance in my opinion.

706
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,479
Speaker 1: So that group doesn't often have a home, and the

707
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 1: only other people who are going to talk to them

708
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: that way are on the streets, and so this group

709
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: of boys who are rough and rugged, they'll find their

710
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: home among teams, and the teams will carry them all

711
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: the way through. And if you go to a college,

712
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: whether it be a white college or a black college,

713
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: you will see that those boys who are like that

714
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: are literally cordoned off. It's very hard to bump into

715
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 1: a basketball player on campus because their coaches virtually own them.

716
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: They keep them day and night, they have them every

717
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 1: so they keep them cordoned off. So that's the only

718
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: time that person generally speaking. I was just in Georgia

719
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: earlier this week and we were meeting about schools in

720
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: Georgia and maybe opening some schools there, And just to

721
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 1: your point, TuS, there were some folks there and they said,

722
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: we appreciate the fact that you remind us of a

723
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 1: particular personality type that we don't typically see education. That's true.

724
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: If I had come up through education and traditional ROW,

725
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: I would not have worked in education because I would

726
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: not have gotten hired by the largely likely white group

727
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,919
Speaker 1: of women who would have been interviewing me. They would

728
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: not have seen me as somebody who would fit into

729
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: their group because I didn't. They didn't I had to

730
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: start my own schools in order for that to happen.

731
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 1: So there's a personality type that we would consider traditionally

732
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: when I'm referring to as masculine, and that group is

733
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: made to feel like they don't belong in school. So

734
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: it's no surprise after they've been suspended, disciplined, or expelled

735
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,479
Speaker 1: that they get out of school as quickly as they can,

736
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: and if they're not good in sports, that they have

737
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: no place in school. That's why when you go to

738
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: Jada's school you see eighty eight to one women to men,

739
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 1: because they've been weeded out all the way through. I've

740
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: seen it.

741
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,959
Speaker 2: Let me reset this for somebody in the comments that's saying,

742
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 2: you know, because we love to say and I'm and

743
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,240
Speaker 2: I don't mean to be disrespectful, brother or sister. Whoever

744
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 2: said this, you know, this is a media narrative. That's

745
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 2: a that's a very lazy argument. I just want to

746
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 2: be clear. I want to reset it. If you're not

747
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 2: familiar with who doctor Perry is. He actually is a

748
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 2: founder and principal of how many schools?

749
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: Uh, we've started two, four, five, six, seven, eight and

750
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: counting school? Okay, of our graduates on the four year

751
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: colleges for twenty consecutive years. Correct, I'm not worried about

752
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: somebody checking out and they're not fearing.

753
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 2: I want to be clear and reset it because a

754
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 2: lot of times when people come late to class, they're.

755
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,720
Speaker 1: Not familiar class.

756
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 2: So I'm just elect the class and all my lives.

757
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 2: Let me say, see me after class. We're talking about

758
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 2: black men that uplift themselves. We are not talking about it.

759
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 2: Black people don't we do that. We do this work.

760
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 2: We get this is what this whole conversation is about.

761
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 2: We are talking about the discrepancy between black men in

762
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 2: college versus black women, and what are the things that

763
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 2: drive that. No nobody's name called them. Tighten it up,

764
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 2: tighten it up. This is called an intellectual conversation, and

765
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 2: I'm getting if you're familiar with my work, then you

766
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 2: should be familiar with how I get out. I am

767
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 2: resetting the conversation so that you know what we're talking about,

768
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 2: because we're not talking about Atlanta. We're not talking about

769
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 2: if men don't uplift themselves, not just in Atlanta, anywhere

770
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 2: in the country. We are having a very specific conversation

771
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 2: about why people feel they have to choose between the

772
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 2: degree and the trade versus not having the degree and

773
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,240
Speaker 2: the trade. And what are the things that block people

774
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 2: on why in this one particular example, why a prairie

775
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 2: view is eighty eight to one men women ratio. So

776
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 2: that's what we're talking about. We're not talking about the

777
00:42:59,040 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 2: people uplift people.

778
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and let me give you a.

779
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 2: Nobody called you a name when I said it's being

780
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 2: intellectually lazy. I mean, we just ought to make it

781
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 2: go to say, oh, that's just the media. Oh that's this,

782
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 2: I see this. We're not talking about what you see.

783
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 2: We are talking about the masses of numbers, you know, overall,

784
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 2: and we're unpacking those issues. Last year, we're talking about

785
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 2: the thin piece of Coca colas or whatever. We're talking

786
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 2: about right here. Let's keep up with what's going on

787
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 2: right here. We're not talking about think pieces. We're talking

788
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 2: about right here.

789
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: Last year, at one of our schools, one which is

790
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: one hundred percent black in Latin, one hundred percent of

791
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: the sixth graders that we enrolled, meaning the school started sixtuarde,

792
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: one hundred percent of sixuaders we enrolled were below grade

793
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: level in math. Think about that for a second, just pause.

794
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: Do you know how hard it is to make sure

795
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: that nobody can do math at twelve year olds level?

796
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: Do you know how committed a system has to be

797
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,720
Speaker 1: to tearing down little boys and girls so that none

798
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: of them. It's easier to get one hundred pent to

799
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: be able to do it than it is to make

800
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 1: sure no one knows. That's pretty spectacular. So at this

801
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: school that we haven't, this one is a harlem. One

802
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:18,240
Speaker 1: hundred percent came in that far behind at the age

803
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: of twelve. There's a learning of calcitrants, which means it's

804
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: harder to teach people a little longer they don't know,

805
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: not just because it's harder for them to get the skills,

806
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 1: but it's harder to convince them that they can learn.

807
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: Because when we talk to the mom about you know,

808
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: your son's math scores are pretty bad, should be her

809
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: answer is typically, I'm bad at math.

810
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 2: And buying's going out.

811
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 1: Sorry, sorry by something happened when I was doing hand justice.

812
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: It told me don't do hand justice. This ai is

813
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: too much. When they'll say I'm bad at math, he's

814
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: bad at math, my mother's bad a man, we're all

815
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: bad at math and they don't understand that it's not

816
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: that they're bad at it, it's that the person responsible

817
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 1: for teaching them was not good at it. One of

818
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: the most important things that we can do, is educators,

819
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: is build the confidence of our children. Because when we

820
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: build some call them scholars, because that's what we call them,

821
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: build a constance scholars because confidence precedes competence. When you

822
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: think you can do something, you're much more likely to

823
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: give it a shot and work your way through it

824
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,919
Speaker 1: and potentially do it. So school is one of those

825
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: things that many of us are led to believe that

826
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: we actually don't do well, and we do it as

827
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:42,240
Speaker 1: well as anyone. If you want to know, the school

828
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 1: that sends the most black men to Harvard is Morehouse.

829
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: So here you have what's supposed to be the top

830
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: academic institution in the country, and argue the world, where

831
00:45:55,719 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 1: do they go to get black men Moorehouse, You're still

832
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: looking at black doctors. They still come from HBCUs at

833
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: a higher rate, Black attorneys at a higher rate. And

834
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:09,959
Speaker 1: it's not because and this is where people go wrong.

835
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 1: It's not because there are so many more in those schools.

836
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: Their schools want to come up that are online like Liberty.

837
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: It's not all online, but it has a large online presence.

838
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: And University of Arizona, University of Phoenix, I mean Universit Phoenix.

839
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,439
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. A lot of those schools have a lot

840
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 1: of black people in them, but they still don't produce

841
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 1: more black UH doctors, lawyers, and attorneys than the HBCU system.

842
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: Because the HPU system in general, even with its gremlins,

843
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: as you'll see, even with its grimlins in operation, builds

844
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,280
Speaker 1: the confidence of its students.

845
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 2: Can we stop right there for a moment, so you

846
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 2: know whether or not applied for law school because I

847
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,919
Speaker 2: would have loved speaking to especially to the person in Atlanta.

848
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 2: So those don't know, I located to Atlanta the beginning

849
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 2: of the year. My goal because I love Atlanta, I

850
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 2: love the Black Mecca. My goal was to stay in

851
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 2: Atlanta because that's just where I wanted to be. That's

852
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 2: where I saw myself being able to, you know, really

853
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 2: do a lot. With my brother Killer Mike, I was

854
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,240
Speaker 2: motivated by I talked about this all the time with Ebony,

855
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 2: Like we compared New York UH and Atlanta, there was

856
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:32,720
Speaker 2: no place that I felt more in home. However, at Lanta,

857
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 2: even with the HBCUs Morehouse, Clark Spelman, Morris Brown, there

858
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 2: is not one law school, not one law school. Now,

859
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 2: a lot of people get that confused because they think

860
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 2: I'm talking about pre law or majoring in law or paralegal. No,

861
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 2: there was not one law school. And I truly and

862
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 2: everything knows this to be true. And I told you,

863
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,439
Speaker 2: I believe. I told you. I really tried to say,

864
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 2: let me go to John Marshall Law School, which is

865
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 2: the white law school in Atlanta. I said, let me

866
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 2: go tour because maybe I can just stomach it instead

867
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 2: of going to an HBCU. Maybe I could just stomach

868
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,399
Speaker 2: it because I want to be in Atlanta so bad.

869
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 2: I know, I want to be in the Black Mecca.

870
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 2: I went to John Marshall Law School in Atlanta and

871
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 2: the lady that was giving me the tour was talking

872
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 2: about a case that attorney.

873
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: Crump worked on.

874
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:32,240
Speaker 2: So here I'm saying, yeah, that's my client. We actually

875
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 2: worked on that case. For those of you don't remember,

876
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 2: I forgot the guy's name, but remember the bed bug,

877
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 2: the guy that was the bad buddy. Yes, she was

878
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 2: talking about how they were studying that case, and I said,

879
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 2: my client attorney Crump, who I'm the senior public policy

880
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 2: advisor for my biggest cheerleader when it comes to go

881
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 2: law school. That's her actual case. And she said, who's

882
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 2: attorney Crump? At that moment, I left him immediately. There

883
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,760
Speaker 2: was no way I could go to a law school

884
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 2: that is working on a case about what we call

885
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 2: whether y'all like Crump or not black American's attorneys in general,

886
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 2: and you don't even know his name.

887
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 1: There is no place that I.

888
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 2: Could see myself being successful matriculating through. And let me

889
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 2: explain what that means. But those of y'all that don't understand,

890
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 2: only five percent of attorneys in America are black. Let

891
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 2: me let me say it again.

892
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 1: Only to do even say it again because I don't

893
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: think people really understand what that means. That means you

894
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: just just just paused it, because I don't think that

895
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 1: it's what you are talking about a pink elephant when

896
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: you're talking about a black attorney. A lot of people

897
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 1: think that they know a lot of black attorneys because

898
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:48,439
Speaker 1: they see Crump, but you don't. You really don't.

899
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 2: And probable why I forgot who said this is what

900
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 2: somebody committing to somebody. They said, why do black people

901
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,919
Speaker 2: do so well in the NBA and in the NFL.

902
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 2: The person said, because that's the only thing in America

903
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 2: that everybody knows the rules. That's the only place where

904
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 2: we know the rules and the people watching no rules,

905
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 2: and we can put a flag on the plate. What

906
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 2: we know about law school, when we know about the law,

907
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 2: it is learning the rules, learning the rules of law,

908
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 2: learning not only the rules, but my biggest motivation and

909
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 2: making sure I go to HBCU, even though a lot

910
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 2: of white folks go, and if white folks are involved,

911
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 2: we get all of that. But my biggest motivation going

912
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 2: with HBCU is because I need a professor that is

913
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 2: invested in me enough to not only tell me the rules,

914
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 2: but the loopholes to get around the rules. I wish

915
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 2: I had this somebody in the chat that could understand

916
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 2: what I'm talking about, not only know the rules, but

917
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 2: how do I get around the rules? Something called the defense,

918
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 2: something called when the state is coming at you. Because

919
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 2: I want to be clear for those of y'all that

920
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 2: don't have twenty million dollars, a fight of recocase, when

921
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 2: the state is coming at you, it serves you well,

922
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 2: when a black attorney is at the table that knows

923
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 2: how to get around the rules, I wish I just

924
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 2: knew somebody when we're taking these law classes and assault

925
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 2: means one thing on the civil matter on a tour,

926
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 2: and assault means a different thing on the criminals. And

927
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 2: then this Supreme Court in Washington said one thing, and

928
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 2: then the support of Supreme Court said another thing, and

929
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 2: then the doorga Supreme Court said another thing. See, when

930
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 2: you know the rules as an attorney, you're able to

931
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 2: sympathize those things and say, I'm sorry, judge, what you

932
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 2: said is wrong because the state of California said this,

933
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 2: so we should be going by this. See that's the

934
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 2: power of knowing the rules. That is why when black

935
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,720
Speaker 2: folks started going to law school, they said, wait a minute,

936
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 2: hold up, let's get the l said wait a minute,

937
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 2: hold up, let's make sure we have a process to

938
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 2: get in law school. For those of y'all that say

939
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 2: anybody can go to law school, let me be clear,

940
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 2: this is one of the most competitive years to get

941
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 2: in law school. It's not like a bachelor's program. Guys.

942
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 2: It's not like you just signed up and you just go. No,

943
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 2: you actually got to be accepted. You actually have to

944
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 2: have the l SAT score, You actually have to have

945
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 2: the letters of recommendation. Over two thousand plus people apply

946
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,919
Speaker 2: their FAMU for only one hundred and fifty seats. That's

947
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 2: why I keep saying I'm proud to get admitted to

948
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,760
Speaker 2: two law schools. And then if you go to law school,

949
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 2: it's something called getting passed first year, and then it's

950
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 2: something called passing the bar. Every obstacle that is put

951
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 2: in front of you to make sure that we don't

952
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 2: know the rules is why only five percent of attorneys

953
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 2: in America are bland mission. And you can truly do

954
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 2: that through going through college to get your bachelors and

955
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 2: your masters.

956
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: It was seen that somebody, no, no, no, It was

957
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: seen that I, as somebody who runs schools its therefore

958
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: it runs the system, would have a different perspective on

959
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, what I'm about to say. But the

960
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: reason why we run our own schools is because I

961
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 1: understand what's happening to our children in the schools. Do

962
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: you know that it is common that when children graduate

963
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: high school, they want to be doctors and lawyers. They

964
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 1: generally want to be doctors and lawyers. If you were

965
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 1: to go to any black high school in the United

966
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: States of America and you were to ask most graduating seniors,

967
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: they would sell you they want to be doctors, lawyers,

968
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: or entrepreneurs. That's what they say. Those are typically.

969
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 2: Can I just say this if you as an immigrant,

970
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 2: if you as an immigrant, especially a from Indian descent,

971
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 2: that's your only option doctor, lawyer, or engineer, period.

972
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 1: So stay there. So then so then what happens is

973
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 1: to your point about knowing the rules, they were not

974
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:59,399
Speaker 1: prepared for college. So they got in, but they may

975
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: not have been prepared. So they take those weed out classes,

976
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: those biology one oh one classes, they take the whatever

977
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: the pre law equivalent of that is, or they take

978
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: some other accounting class. The classes are designed at the

979
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 1: colleges to weed out to identify those individuals who came

980
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: from a particular school setting where they learned this particular

981
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: skills set. Not intelligence. Intelligence is not a static experience.

982
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: There are many forms of intelligence, and intelligence is it

983
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 1: isn't measurable by a single examination. However, talk about knowing

984
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: the rules. If you did not go to a school

985
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 1: where you were taught either the content that they were

986
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: going to teach you in those weed out classes. Then

987
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:55,800
Speaker 1: your dreams of becoming a doctor, a lawyer, or business person,

988
00:54:56,440 --> 00:55:01,800
Speaker 1: they're dashed within the first twelve weeks of college. That's

989
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: it's it's design to do that day.

990
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:05,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's designed way.

991
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,439
Speaker 1: Conversely, though, especially in mostly you talk.

992
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 2: About our test taking skills, but I know you can

993
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 2: talk about that is what you know and how a

994
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 2: formal tests taking go ahead?

995
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 1: Should should we performed the way we're designed to. The

996
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 1: test wasn't designed by us. It wasn't taught to us

997
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,720
Speaker 1: by the people who designed it, and as a result,

998
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 1: they were taught the rules and we were not it.

999
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: It's just the facts of the matter. Those are not

1000
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: what they refer to as the hard skills. So that's

1001
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: the first part. The second part of what we were

1002
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 1: not taught in terms of the rules. Stanford did a

1003
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: study on whether or not black children form study groups,

1004
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 1: again a skill that you're not taught by and in

1005
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: most in most high schools, you're not taught to dudes

1006
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 1: who work in groups. But anyone who's been in college,

1007
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: it's like group after goddamn group after goddamn groups, like

1008
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 1: group every time you try to like hein't doing no

1009
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 1: group like I want my own a thank you very much,

1010
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: by the way, but for the group, right. But if

1011
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 1: you don't do that in high school, you don't know

1012
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: how to fit in. But here's the part where the

1013
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: Stanford study really showed the distinction again, talking about learning

1014
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,399
Speaker 1: the rules. This is why we as a community, we

1015
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 1: don't do as well in the traditional academic setting, especially

1016
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:23,320
Speaker 1: at the college level, especially at the professional schools, because

1017
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 1: we don't learn these skills. But the most important of

1018
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: the skills that we don't learn is how to ask

1019
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: for help, how to form a study group, how to

1020
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: see somebody in your class who is different than you

1021
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,720
Speaker 1: are and who doesn't come from where you come from,

1022
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 1: and you ask like I did Elizabeth Murphy who had

1023
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 1: read here now like we do now.

1024
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 2: But even at this big a Hey, doctor Perry, help

1025
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 2: me understand. That's why we're in this liab right now. Hey,

1026
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 2: doctor Perry, help me understand what am I missing? See?

1027
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 2: The thing about education is always having the thirst to

1028
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 2: learn more. That's the whole thing having a which is

1029
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 2: why I got my mask, was an adult education because

1030
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 2: I actually do like working with Lazaris. I actually do

1031
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:06,879
Speaker 2: like telling lasbis hey you know what. I know. They

1032
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 2: told you your whole life you can't learn. But I'm

1033
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 2: here to tell you different. I know in life, Nope,

1034
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:12,399
Speaker 2: you didn't want to ask any questions, which is why

1035
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 2: I love virtual training, because people are able to hide

1036
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 2: through the mask and be able to ask the questions

1037
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 2: that they're embarrassed to ask. But he says that, so

1038
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 2: go ahead.

1039
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 1: I just remember but that you and I said, so

1040
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: you took me to the next point. Most of us

1041
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: are told, especially boys, if you raise your hand asked

1042
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: the question, then you stupid, right, So I'll tell you

1043
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: a really question story. I was when I was in

1044
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 1: my first graduate school. There's this woman and there it's Rachel, White, Jewish,

1045
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: very smart woman, a super smart woman. And I'd done

1046
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: well in undergrad after I figured out the rules. Actually, literally,

1047
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: a white professor pulled me aside. This is a true story.

1048
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: Doctor Steven would pull me aside and sat me down

1049
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 1: and said, hey, I'm gonna basically put you on. He

1050
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: showed me how to do well in college, he didn't

1051
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: literally show me how to do it. So fast forward,

1052
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: I'm in graduate school and every time we're in class,

1053
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 1: I'm watching Rachel raise her hand or raise her hand,

1054
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: or raise her hand. And one time, and I wouldn't

1055
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: raise my hand in graduate school because we know where

1056
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 1: the Ivy League school. And I'm thinking, I already am

1057
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: the only black white man in this entire school, in

1058
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: my whole class class. So last thing I'm gonna do

1059
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 1: is raise my hand. Because I learned from third grade,

1060
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: shut up, stupid, Why you ask so many questions? You stupid?

1061
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 2: You stupid?

1062
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: Why you ask so many questions? So I've been taught,

1063
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: don't ask questions. Just if you don't know, then you stupid,

1064
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: not understanding you're in school because you don't know. And

1065
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: that's what they're there to tell you, is they did

1066
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 1: here to show you how to do it. So fast forward.

1067
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: I remember pulling Rachel Aside out of the class one

1068
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 1: time and saying that it's a white always asking questions.

1069
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: Because I know you're super smart. I know you know

1070
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 1: these things. She said, You ask questions because that's how

1071
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: you learn. She said, I'm trying to learn, so I'm

1072
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 1: asking them questions. I never had permission to ask questions,

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00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,919
Speaker 1: not just me, but the land of me. Black Yeah,

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00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 1: and even our culture.

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00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 2: Even our culture. Look at how we're raised, our parents

1076
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 2: did not our grandparents and parents. It wasn't all this

1077
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 2: asked a question, your curious to know why it was,

1078
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 2: I told you to do it, and that's that. It

1079
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 2: was never about the why, never about the explaining, never

1080
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 2: about when I took Jada the orientation today, I didn't

1081
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 2: just say, hey, put on a different outfit. I explained why.

1082
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 2: I explain why this makes sense, why you need to

1083
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 2: know these things, why it is important. So to people's

1084
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 2: point when they said, you know you can learn these

1085
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 2: things in high school, no, because what she is now

1086
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 2: at eighteen, as a young woman, she will be moving

1087
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 2: differently than what she did when she was a teenager.

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00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 2: So to my friend's point, my recently said, well, we

1089
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 2: got to learn how to work around whitefol We got

1090
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 2: to learn. Yeah, her as an adult having to get

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00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 2: up in the morning. I told her she was hanging

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00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 2: out last night. I said, Jada, make sure you're home

1093
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 2: early so that you can be prepared for your business.

1094
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 2: She said, oh, I know how to get up early.

1095
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 2: I said, it's not about knowing to get up early.

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01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 2: It's about I'm trying to teach you how to have

1097
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 2: the discipline to say I have business to handle in

1098
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 2: the morning and I'm gonna put my business before the bullshit. See,

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01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 2: these are things that you have to learn as an

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01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 2: adult when you have freedom to move around. Those are

1101
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 2: the things that you learn in college. It is not

1102
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 2: just about if you can get out and make more

1103
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 2: money as a plumber by all means be a plumber.

1104
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 2: You can be a plumber and have a degree. I'm

1105
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 2: going to give with the good news you really can

1106
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 2: have both. It is about learning the other skill sets

1107
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 2: that you need in a systematic racist system that is

1108
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 2: that is designed to pull you back. So do you

1109
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 2: want to bet on school or do you want to

1110
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 2: bet on school the prison pipeline. Do you want to

1111
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 2: bet on the fact that it is not a lot

1112
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 2: of black men in college, or do you want to

1113
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 2: bet on the fact that it's more black men disproportionately

1114
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 2: in prison than those who are enslaved in eighteen fifty.

1115
01:00:57,600 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 2: It's really up to you on what you want to

1116
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 2: bet on. Do you want to bet on getting a

1117
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 2: student loan or bet on doing time? I think for me,

1118
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 2: I want to bet on the loan before I bet

1119
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 2: on doing time, because the reality of the world that

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01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 2: I grew up in that if you are not having

1121
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 2: something else on the list to do to keep your

1122
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 2: mind busy, then that means I'm gonna be in the streets. Now.

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01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 2: For those of the auto baby didn't have a streets

1124
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 2: as an option. For me. It was that or the streets.

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01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 2: It was the air Force. I continue to be the

1126
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 2: dope boy's girlfriend and get shot in the head, or

1127
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 2: have the dope on me, or be in the wrong

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01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 2: place or the wrong time. It was either go to

1129
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 2: the military or do that. It was either go get married,

1130
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 2: go get a degree, or do that. So I am

1131
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 2: talking about real choices here, guys, on this option versus

1132
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 2: that option. That's it just that simple and just that

1133
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 2: damn place. And we again, we think it's over at

1134
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 2: twenty five. Hey, guys, you can go back and get

1135
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 2: whatever you want right now. White people are taken advantage

1136
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 2: of it right now. Sixty year old white man in

1137
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 2: the black ahpC you've claimed, he said, you don't don't

1138
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 2: worry about y'allimost the dollars. I'll come get that seat

1139
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 2: be to a six year old black man.

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01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 1: There's a one. There's a statistic I heard, and I

1141
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 1: cannot verify it, So I'm just going to repeat it.

1142
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 1: As something. I heard that there are more white people

1143
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 1: at Howard than there are black men at Howard. Now,

1144
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 1: some people will say that's impossible. I don't think it's impossible.

1145
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: I don't think it's I can't verify it. I'm not

1146
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 1: saying that it's a verifiable fact. But if you just

1147
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 1: took a prayer View and took eighty eight to one,

1148
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:45,439
Speaker 1: if you had two white men at prayer View, you'd

1149
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 1: have more than the one black man you have in

1150
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 1: that freshman class. So it doesn't take. But that's about

1151
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 1: huge numbers in order to get there. And the fact

1152
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 1: that it's even a believable statistic is because we have

1153
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 1: watched the destruction of our children by something that was

1154
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 1: called a school system for generations, and now black people

1155
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 1: had bought it. Black people have bought it, And it'd

1156
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 1: be one thing to us if they were saying, I

1157
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 1: love plumbing. When I was a little boy, I played

1158
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:21,240
Speaker 1: with wrenches. I always wanted to be a plumber. I

1159
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 1: always wanted to be a plumber. Then yes, you should

1160
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 1: be a plumber and you should get a degree because

1161
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 1: both can be good for you. It's another thing. If

1162
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:35,920
Speaker 1: it was I decided I needed to do something because

1163
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 1: it was the only thing that I could do. And

1164
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 1: too often what's happening is most specifically for men, and

1165
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 1: let's keep it a bug. Not everybody who didn't get

1166
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 1: a degree did go and get a trade. We're talking

1167
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 1: about a lot of cats who are working in jobs

1168
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 1: for which you will soon be replaced by something that

1169
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 1: is a machine. You will be in this lifetime not

1170
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 1: long when I as when I started going out and speaking.

1171
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:07,439
Speaker 1: It seems like a hundred years ago, but I guess

1172
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 1: it was about twenty years ago when I was get

1173
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 1: When I would get on the road from the curb

1174
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 1: of the airport to the flight, it was people, somebody

1175
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 1: checking my bags, right, somebody checking me in printing upper ticket.

1176
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 1: You know, to everyone. So much of what's happening now

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01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 1: is done by some form of technology. And I don't

1178
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 1: know about you. Last time I went to a Walmart

1179
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 1: or a home depot, the number of people in those

1180
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 1: massive stores very very few, very very few people. I

1181
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 1: mean they are very few per square foot. So when

1182
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 1: we're talking about the importance of making your checking the boxes,

1183
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 1: as you say, what we're doing is we're trying to

1184
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 1: get you to understand that you owe it to yourself

1185
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 1: to put more money in the bank, investing yourself. See

1186
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 1: yourself as the commodity, investing yourself as the business, as

1187
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 1: the entity. So that just in the same way, if

1188
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 1: you were starting a liquor store, you may have to

1189
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 1: go in there and put a little money down to

1190
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 1: rent the building, to go in there and do renovations.

1191
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 1: The same is true for you. You got to go and

1192
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:19,920
Speaker 1: and put some money down on yourself and put the

1193
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 1: renovations together so that when when the consumer comes in,

1194
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 1: that you create a space that they want to be in.

1195
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:27,920
Speaker 1: You tas know this better than most people are. You know,

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01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 1: I do deeply appreciate your humility because I don't think

1197
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 1: that people truly understand the grind that you are. And

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01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 1: I say it that way in order for you to

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01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 1: sustain yourself through what has been essentially you as an

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01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 1: entrepreneur for what twenty thirty years, now you have to

1201
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 1: I'd say twenty thirty that would make me.

1202
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 2: That would make me a damn this.

1203
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 1: Self good No, no, no, but.

1204
01:05:57,280 --> 01:05:59,439
Speaker 2: Working since fifth grade though, by the way, we're gonna count.

1205
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 1: But saying if you if you do twenty you know

1206
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 1: you do such as you've been doing whatever you've been

1207
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 1: doing as a as an entrepreneur, by and large is

1208
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 1: my point, By and large, working other jobs while being

1209
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 1: an entrepreneur, That's what I'm saying. That's exactly what I'm saying.

1210
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 1: That's exactly what I'm saying. All of those things, where

1211
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:23,480
Speaker 1: all of those things you were able to do in

1212
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 1: such a way, and and and you were able to

1213
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 1: do them because you create it for yourself a marketability,

1214
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 1: a transferability of skills that has made it possible for

1215
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:37,520
Speaker 1: you to sustain yourself when other people could not. If

1216
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 1: all you had was the skills that you learned during

1217
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 1: the five days of training at Amazon, then what happens

1218
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 1: when Amazon fires ass If all you have are is

1219
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 1: the one week onboarding that you got at the post office?

1220
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 1: Post Office gets rid of you. What do you offer

1221
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 1: to the next job? What is it that you offer?

1222
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:03,760
Speaker 1: What can you say? And one of the things that

1223
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 1: that I find especially interesting is when people say, well,

1224
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 1: you can go to be a pop or a firefighter,

1225
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 1: or you can be a civil servant. All those civil

1226
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 1: servant jobs have as a carrot going to school, because

1227
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 1: even they want you to go to school.

1228
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, station from ups to Amazon to Walmart, they want

1229
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:24,520
Speaker 2: and by the way, guys, I am saving in this life.

1230
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 2: They want you to go. One of the things that

1231
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 2: I found attractive because I was gonna do it at

1232
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 2: one point just to get the education paid for, was

1233
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:34,480
Speaker 2: working at ups. You know, I don't know if they

1234
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 2: still have this, but a couple of years ago, if

1235
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 2: you go do the morning shift, the four am to

1236
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:43,240
Speaker 2: whatever time, you got one hundred percent tuition reimbursement. That

1237
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 2: to me was worse going in and physically doing a

1238
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:51,600
Speaker 2: job just to pay the tuition, which means they are

1239
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 2: saying have a trade in addition to get the education.

1240
01:07:57,120 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 2: I just want us to stop the and or and

1241
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 2: the shitting on one versus the other, because that is classicism.

1242
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:07,080
Speaker 2: If we just want to just lay it on the

1243
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 2: table dog and really talk about it. We understand you,

1244
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 2: and I said this offline. We understand that somebody in

1245
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 2: your family said you ain't shit because you didn't go

1246
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:20,880
Speaker 2: be whatever. We understand the talented tenth mindset of they

1247
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 2: went and got a degree, so they came back and

1248
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:25,680
Speaker 2: they looking at you like you ain't shit. We understand

1249
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 2: that you would much rather this goes back to the

1250
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 2: birthday thing. One reason why you guys, you see where

1251
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 2: I don't put my birthday up, just have one. By

1252
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:35,760
Speaker 2: the way, what I found is is that I won't

1253
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 2: have people who have never said one thing to me

1254
01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 2: and y'all, And I want to ask y'all in the comments,

1255
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 2: and we want y'all think about this. That one cousin

1256
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 2: that ain't never said nothing of you all year loan

1257
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 2: will send you a happy birthday text, Hey, happy birthday.

1258
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 2: But if you say, hey, I just got admitted in

1259
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 2: the law school, or hey, I've just won twenty twenty

1260
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:59,679
Speaker 2: three Entrepreneur of the Year from the United States Department

1261
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 2: of Common Hey I just won UCLA Long Champion of

1262
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:05,840
Speaker 2: the Year. Hey I just got being crumple. While I'm

1263
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 2: naming my wards in case I don't know, I'm naming them,

1264
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:13,200
Speaker 2: not one text saying congratulations on that. But there's something

1265
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 2: about the birthday that makes people comfortable because it evens

1266
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:20,799
Speaker 2: the playing field. Y'all just think for me for a second.

1267
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:24,760
Speaker 2: There's something about saying if I say happy birthday to you,

1268
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:27,719
Speaker 2: I got a birthday, you got a birthday. There's nothing

1269
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 2: that puts the distinction that makes me feel less that

1270
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:33,040
Speaker 2: because that's really what it is. When it comes down

1271
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 2: to you, there's nothing that makes me feel like I

1272
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:40,200
Speaker 2: have not achieved because somehow by celebrating you, tesling means

1273
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 2: that I am doing less than opposed to my mindset.

1274
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:47,639
Speaker 2: That said, there's something about Ethny Kate Williams and having

1275
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 2: that Esquire my sister in the comments that I like.

1276
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:53,960
Speaker 2: There's something about I could easily be People tell me,

1277
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 2: why are you going to law school? You already with

1278
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 2: the ban Crump Law firm.

1279
01:09:57,200 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1280
01:09:57,439 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 2: But it's something about having the paperwork that I want

1281
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:04,120
Speaker 2: for myself. There's something about aspiring to that. There's something

1282
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 2: about saying, Ben, can you help me? Can you give

1283
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 2: me some advice? Yes, I will write your letter of recommendation.

1284
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 2: There's something about me expiring to be that rather than

1285
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 2: shitting on that and saying I don't need that. I

1286
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 2: can make just as much money. I make a lot

1287
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:19,880
Speaker 2: more money than a lot of attorneys that I know.

1288
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:22,760
Speaker 2: This is not about making money. It's about having the

1289
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 2: paperwork to be able to say I don't need being

1290
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:27,759
Speaker 2: the right emotion for me. I can write it for myself.

1291
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:30,160
Speaker 2: And because we have been, like we said, tricked in

1292
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:34,639
Speaker 2: the system to believe that in being inspired wanting more.

1293
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:36,960
Speaker 2: If we tell each other, hey, you know what, I'll

1294
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:39,280
Speaker 2: even using a relationship thing. A brother come up and say,

1295
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:41,519
Speaker 2: I don't want to blow your head up, but you

1296
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:43,559
Speaker 2: know you look good. Mama, Well why not blow my

1297
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:45,800
Speaker 2: head up? I'm blowing your man up? Why not? What

1298
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 2: is it that we don't want to command each other,

1299
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:50,760
Speaker 2: But yet we'll get in the comments and say I

1300
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:52,679
Speaker 2: don't like a hair and I don't like a lashes,

1301
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:55,440
Speaker 2: and I don't like a listener. We have been programmed

1302
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:58,719
Speaker 2: to not praise the positive, to not encourage the positive,

1303
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 2: to not you know, to do that, and that has

1304
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 2: a lot to do to do with our educational choices

1305
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:06,760
Speaker 2: as well. So you'll get happy birthdays all year long.

1306
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 2: I say keep that if you not gonna congratulate me

1307
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 2: for getting in the two law schools. Don't worry about

1308
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:14,120
Speaker 2: the birthday because the birthday I had no control over.

1309
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:18,040
Speaker 2: My parents have me systematic on purpose that I was planning.

1310
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:20,280
Speaker 2: They have me on purpose. I don't know when I'm

1311
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 2: gonna die, so I have no control over when I

1312
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 2: was born and when I die. If you can't celebrate

1313
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 2: the dash, the thing in the middle, the thing that

1314
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 2: I had to work my ass off, the thing that

1315
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:32,320
Speaker 2: I had to do it with my baby on my hip,

1316
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:34,639
Speaker 2: the thing that I had to prey on my knees

1317
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:36,479
Speaker 2: and not have to lay on my back to get

1318
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:39,080
Speaker 2: the things I accomplished, the things that kept me pushing,

1319
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:42,720
Speaker 2: the things that kept me grounded. If you can't celebrate that,

1320
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:44,759
Speaker 2: don't worry about the birthday. I don't want the birthday.

1321
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:45,599
Speaker 2: Keep it to yourself.

1322
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:55,439
Speaker 1: As only successful peoples can support the success of others.

1323
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 1: And success does not mean economic a person who feels

1324
01:11:59,880 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 1: like they are there in their own space having the

1325
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:07,320
Speaker 1: time of their life.

1326
01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:11,200
Speaker 2: Because I got a lot of homies who are who

1327
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:14,559
Speaker 2: don't feel success. And this is very rare because you

1328
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 2: are right in overall successful people successful people. But I

1329
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 2: do want to show some love to my homeboys who

1330
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:25,519
Speaker 2: the founder of prince yall Mafi in his sixties, that bill.

1331
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:27,559
Speaker 2: He says all the time, I'm not a smart person,

1332
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 2: but I'm proud of you, homegirl. There are some that

1333
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:33,559
Speaker 2: say if I can't do it, I want you to

1334
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:36,880
Speaker 2: do it. And even and even there's some even if

1335
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:39,920
Speaker 2: you have a selfish motive to say, well, at least

1336
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 2: we got one homegirl we can call at least we

1337
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:44,559
Speaker 2: know we can. And that goes back to what I'm

1338
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:48,640
Speaker 2: saying about. We need to have it all in the nucleus,

1339
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:51,920
Speaker 2: somebody in the family. We need to be able to

1340
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 2: call to say if I can't do it, then maybe

1341
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:57,240
Speaker 2: tesling can do it if I can't. So even my homeboys,

1342
01:12:57,240 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 2: they benefit from my brain. So even if let's say

1343
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:02,439
Speaker 2: they're jealous and they really don't give a shit about

1344
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 2: what I'm accomplishing, what they.

1345
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:05,880
Speaker 1: Damn shown't give a shit about.

1346
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:09,479
Speaker 2: Is they know they can call it nobody raise somebody

1347
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:12,320
Speaker 2: they trust to stay Teslim. I don't understand this and

1348
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:14,680
Speaker 2: this and this and that. And because I understand that

1349
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:17,439
Speaker 2: I am here to serve the least of these, that

1350
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:20,479
Speaker 2: this is the problem with our educated brothers, because I

1351
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:23,439
Speaker 2: understand that a part of why God has blessed me

1352
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:26,360
Speaker 2: to matriculate, a part of the reason why He's given

1353
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:29,720
Speaker 2: me the opportunity is to come back and tell it

1354
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:33,880
Speaker 2: to Lazarus. That's my responsibility to say, no, brother, they

1355
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:36,880
Speaker 2: playing you this contract, actually say this, this this. So

1356
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:40,960
Speaker 2: if the educator is working with the down troy, if

1357
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:44,040
Speaker 2: those who have had an opportunity, it's still respecting and

1358
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:46,760
Speaker 2: loving on the least of these, then maybe we can

1359
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:48,760
Speaker 2: get somewhere. So to the brother that said tells them,

1360
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:50,559
Speaker 2: I wish you had a training on this, Well, guess

1361
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:54,519
Speaker 2: what I do is on teslimfiguro dot com. That's all

1362
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:57,160
Speaker 2: I try to do is to train adults. I go

1363
01:13:57,280 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 2: to the prisons to train to let you know that baby.

1364
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:02,759
Speaker 2: Even on that prison job, you can take those same

1365
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 2: skill sets and walk into somebody's job and tell how

1366
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:09,040
Speaker 2: yours Washing distance And here's a skill set from the

1367
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:11,719
Speaker 2: Washing dissident. All I'm telling people to do, doctor carry

1368
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:14,600
Speaker 2: is get what you can while you can't. If you

1369
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:17,400
Speaker 2: got a baby and you can't figure it out, go online.

1370
01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:18,840
Speaker 2: I don't want to go online either. They try to

1371
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 2: shoot on me when you went online. Get what you can't.

1372
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:24,400
Speaker 2: If you can't go online, get that certification. If you

1373
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 2: can't get that certification, get that trade. But what we

1374
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:30,679
Speaker 2: cannot do it tell others not to go get the rest.

1375
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:32,200
Speaker 2: That's what we cannot do.

1376
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:36,599
Speaker 1: We have you know, I nowhere near on the top

1377
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 1: of the hour. I'll say this, one of the most

1378
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:45,559
Speaker 1: important conversations that we can have as a community is

1379
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 1: to encourage each other to get all of the boxes.

1380
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:55,840
Speaker 1: Chance all of them. And there is no dishonor in

1381
01:14:55,960 --> 01:15:02,479
Speaker 1: going to college. There is none, and it's our responsibility

1382
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:07,559
Speaker 1: to demystify the process of getting in. We send one

1383
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:09,559
Speaker 1: hundred percent of our graduates on there for your college

1384
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:11,599
Speaker 1: every year because we know how to get kids into college.

1385
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 1: It really ain't as hard as it seems. It just

1386
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:16,880
Speaker 1: that we make the decision to do so. And the

1387
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:19,880
Speaker 1: reason why I make that point is I cannot tell

1388
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 1: you t us how many times shoot me, somebody has

1389
01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:27,880
Speaker 1: called me, who's asked me, Hey, I'm trying to get

1390
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:30,760
Speaker 1: my child into this or that, and can you talk

1391
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 1: me through it? And a lot of times it's people

1392
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:35,040
Speaker 1: you might not anticipate. You might think that they know

1393
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:38,800
Speaker 1: the answer because they have certain economics wherewithal. But here's

1394
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:42,400
Speaker 1: the thing. The smartest people are the ones who ask

1395
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:45,960
Speaker 1: the best questions. And we have to encourage our people

1396
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 1: to be curious and to push the line, as you say,

1397
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:52,120
Speaker 1: and to put them in a place where they are

1398
01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:55,760
Speaker 1: pushing the line and asking the questions so that they

1399
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:58,720
Speaker 1: can have a better understanding of a system that was

1400
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:04,839
Speaker 1: intentionally hooted. They don't know what is being said about

1401
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:07,920
Speaker 1: them this system. As we talk about it, which is

1402
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 1: a series of actions and individuals that make sure that

1403
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:12,840
Speaker 1: we don't have what it is that we need.

1404
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:15,680
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. And I just want to note this for

1405
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:20,559
Speaker 2: the record, my good sister and Yka, we just want

1406
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 2: to know for the record, the last risk you will

1407
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:23,240
Speaker 2: have to pay the retainers.

1408
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:24,000
Speaker 1: We just want to make it.

1409
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:32,280
Speaker 2: Although I will be spreading the good news last risks.

1410
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:35,800
Speaker 1: For life. Last risk doesn't get pro bon.

1411
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:38,680
Speaker 2: But I did my pro bone all time. I did

1412
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:41,400
Speaker 2: my time. So hey, y'all gonna come in that training

1413
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 2: I'm doing now here.

1414
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:45,040
Speaker 1: Today's rate.

1415
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:49,640
Speaker 2: I want to say this too, Yeah, because I got

1416
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:51,040
Speaker 2: to pay them loans because you know, they say they

1417
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:53,640
Speaker 2: don't want us to have loans, so let's get the retainers.

1418
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 2: And I want to say this because uh he came

1419
01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:59,440
Speaker 2: w F K. Williams. I love the way she formulates

1420
01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 2: this argument. And this is not to gender or anything.

1421
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 2: I just want to put it out there since we're

1422
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:05,559
Speaker 2: having this conversation, because I'm gonna leave this live up

1423
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:09,840
Speaker 2: we here oftentimes, and this is really important. I'm talking

1424
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:12,679
Speaker 2: to the ladies. You know, people who are anti education.

1425
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:17,280
Speaker 2: They'll say, uh, well, you know black women got these

1426
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:19,840
Speaker 2: degrees and I make more money than a black woman.

1427
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:22,559
Speaker 2: Let's let's unpack this right now, because this is important

1428
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:24,840
Speaker 2: and I love the way ek she gave me this gym.

1429
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:26,479
Speaker 2: I said, well, I'm using it. I want to give

1430
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:30,240
Speaker 2: a credit for it. So let's be clear, guys, when

1431
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 2: you can when you compare yourself. If I am an apple,

1432
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 2: let's make it really plain. If I am an apple,

1433
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 2: you are supposed to compare yourself to other apples. Nobody

1434
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:46,160
Speaker 2: goes into the produce section and grabs an apple and says,

1435
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:50,800
Speaker 2: I wonder if this apple compares to a pineapple. When

1436
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:56,240
Speaker 2: you are comparing yourself black man, you are supposed to

1437
01:17:56,240 --> 01:18:00,559
Speaker 2: compare yourself to not only your peers, meaning other apples,

1438
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:04,160
Speaker 2: but also the closest thing to your fear. So let's

1439
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:06,960
Speaker 2: just break this down. If we were say that black

1440
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:09,759
Speaker 2: men were apples, you compare yourself to the other apples,

1441
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:12,400
Speaker 2: who were the best apples? Would apples have the best

1442
01:18:12,439 --> 01:18:14,559
Speaker 2: you know? And I'll go to that a minute. And

1443
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:16,599
Speaker 2: then you're going to compare yourself to the closest thing,

1444
01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 2: probably let's say a pair or will be a close thing.

1445
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 2: I'm not a produce major, but the closest thing to

1446
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:24,080
Speaker 2: an apple, certainly not an orange that will be the

1447
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:28,439
Speaker 2: white man. What you don't do is compare an apple

1448
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 2: to let us. Now I'm saying that to say that

1449
01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:38,040
Speaker 2: when you think you're eating as the kids say, when

1450
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:41,240
Speaker 2: you say I make more money than Black women who

1451
01:18:41,400 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 2: have degrees, let's explain this. Black women that have degrees,

1452
01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:50,479
Speaker 2: we compare ourselves to black women that do not have degrees,

1453
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:53,800
Speaker 2: not black men, because you're supposed to make more. That's

1454
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:56,240
Speaker 2: the breaking news. Black men are supposed to make more.

1455
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:58,320
Speaker 2: Men due to the patriarch, are supposed to make more.

1456
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:01,360
Speaker 2: Just to give you a breaking news, black women with

1457
01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:06,639
Speaker 2: degrees make more money than black women without degrees. As

1458
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:10,040
Speaker 2: a whope. Now that doesn't mean that the hairdresser that

1459
01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 2: may not have a college degree doesn't make more money

1460
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:14,760
Speaker 2: than me. There might be some years that she make

1461
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:16,640
Speaker 2: more money than me, or I make more money than

1462
01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:21,280
Speaker 2: or her. What we're saying is, as a collective, black

1463
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:25,479
Speaker 2: women with degrees, based on the data, make more money

1464
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:29,000
Speaker 2: than black women without. You know why, because if it's

1465
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:30,960
Speaker 2: a bunch of hairdressers that make a lot of money,

1466
01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:34,200
Speaker 2: you're still as a collective are not making more than

1467
01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:38,880
Speaker 2: black women. Attorneys than black women accountants than black women doctors,

1468
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 2: So they all go into that bunch as well. So

1469
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:45,080
Speaker 2: when we're talking about the collective black women, we have

1470
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:48,800
Speaker 2: checked the box as high as we possibly can. So

1471
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 2: when you say, well, black women are done forgetting degrees

1472
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:53,760
Speaker 2: because they got so much debt, well we're trying to

1473
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:56,880
Speaker 2: check the box and try to achieve as much as

1474
01:19:56,920 --> 01:20:00,479
Speaker 2: we possibly can as black women, because the reality is

1475
01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:04,439
Speaker 2: black women still don't make would white women make with

1476
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:07,559
Speaker 2: or without a degree. So, brothers, if you want to

1477
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:12,560
Speaker 2: compare yourself, don't compare yourself to the woman. Compare yourself

1478
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 2: to black men with or without degrees, and then guess

1479
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:18,439
Speaker 2: what else you get to compare yourself to the white

1480
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:21,680
Speaker 2: man that you still don't make more money than with

1481
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 2: or without a degree. The white man makes more money

1482
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:29,240
Speaker 2: than you. So you competing with the woman with totally

1483
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:32,439
Speaker 2: different plumbing systems. Since sh'all tackle love talking about plumbing,

1484
01:20:33,080 --> 01:20:35,439
Speaker 2: let's talk about plumbing. I got a different plumbing to

1485
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:40,320
Speaker 2: shall specialize in plumbing. Don't compare the two plumbs we

1486
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:41,280
Speaker 2: gotta make a thing for.

1487
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:43,639
Speaker 1: I knew it was coming.

1488
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:50,320
Speaker 2: I was waiting for that. Don't compare the kitchen plumbing

1489
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:55,360
Speaker 2: to the bathroom plumb because although the pipings may intersect,

1490
01:20:55,439 --> 01:20:58,120
Speaker 2: at one point I wish I had a plumber, and.

1491
01:20:58,160 --> 01:21:01,240
Speaker 1: It's still different that you want a plumber.

1492
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:16,360
Speaker 2: Trying to make love talking about plumping. And then another

1493
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:19,920
Speaker 2: thing that e kW brings up, where is the influx

1494
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:24,880
Speaker 2: of these blue these jobs that y'all saying everybody going

1495
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:29,439
Speaker 2: to get Because as it stands, the Hispanic community have

1496
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 2: the ownership and the monopoly when it comes to ownership

1497
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:37,040
Speaker 2: within construction and plumbing in those blue collar jobs. And

1498
01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:39,000
Speaker 2: we know why because systematic racism.

1499
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:39,240
Speaker 1: We know.

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01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:42,080
Speaker 2: Like I'm not saying, brothers, this is all your fault.

1501
01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:46,280
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is, let's stop the disparaging comments about

1502
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:50,120
Speaker 2: how you actually think that a black man who's making

1503
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:53,200
Speaker 2: more money as a trade is somehow wiser and smarter

1504
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 2: than the black woman that has a degree that's in debt.

1505
01:21:56,520 --> 01:21:59,280
Speaker 2: Because I am simply checking the boxes that are available

1506
01:21:59,320 --> 01:22:01,680
Speaker 2: to me in order for me to be success.

1507
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:03,479
Speaker 1: I'm going to help. I'm going to help that argument

1508
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:07,280
Speaker 1: once step further. If you feel like as a keep

1509
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:09,880
Speaker 1: saying plumbers, but if you feel like as a plumber

1510
01:22:09,960 --> 01:22:12,479
Speaker 1: or an electrician or trades person who went and got

1511
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:15,720
Speaker 1: your whatever your certification you have, that you make more

1512
01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:17,880
Speaker 1: than many women. I just want to help you with something.

1513
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:20,320
Speaker 1: If you say, for instance, that you make one a teacher,

1514
01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:22,519
Speaker 1: I just want to help you. You work two hundred

1515
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:24,720
Speaker 1: and ninety to three hundred and twenty days a year.

1516
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:27,160
Speaker 1: She works one hundred and eighty. She works half as

1517
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:29,639
Speaker 1: many days as you do. So if she makes anywhere

1518
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:31,559
Speaker 1: near what you make, she makes more than you. It's

1519
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:33,400
Speaker 1: really simple, little call.

1520
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:36,200
Speaker 2: She doesn't give it much into the man.

1521
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:41,599
Speaker 1: She's not on call at all. And in fact, if

1522
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:44,800
Speaker 1: she woke up past nine today, it's because she wanted to.

1523
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:51,120
Speaker 1: And if she's in Erks and Kkos today's if she's

1524
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:55,000
Speaker 1: in Turks and Caicos today and you're not, it's because

1525
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:57,720
Speaker 1: she got a degree and she was able to make

1526
01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:00,599
Speaker 1: those decisions. So when you look at money, you not,

1527
01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:02,639
Speaker 1: you shouldn't look at it, and you have to look

1528
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:05,240
Speaker 1: at it on a per diem, right, So you have

1529
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:07,519
Speaker 1: to look at it from that perspective if you if

1530
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:10,000
Speaker 1: you want real numbers, but but let's sit there.

1531
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:12,960
Speaker 2: That's get They don't want to hear that. They just

1532
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 2: look at I'll make X amount even though I had

1533
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:19,320
Speaker 2: to work seven days a week, eighteen hours a day,

1534
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:22,439
Speaker 2: and you made less working five days with they don't

1535
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:23,760
Speaker 2: that's that's too much data.

1536
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:27,439
Speaker 1: But but go ahead off five days. And again, if

1537
01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:29,840
Speaker 1: you're talking about a teacher, five days is basically four

1538
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:32,200
Speaker 1: hours of teaching a day, maybe by four including depend

1539
01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:32,800
Speaker 1: upon where you.

1540
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:35,639
Speaker 2: Just be off on summers as well? Does that also

1541
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:36,240
Speaker 2: go into.

1542
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:39,360
Speaker 1: The data off on every single day that you could

1543
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:42,280
Speaker 1: be off. If you are in a Jewish community, you

1544
01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:45,240
Speaker 1: get y'all, I'm kapoor. If you are in a Spanish community,

1545
01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:47,720
Speaker 1: you get three kings, and if you are in a

1546
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:53,080
Speaker 1: Black community you get kwansa. Your December in January look

1547
01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:56,639
Speaker 1: real good. So you are just short of a summer

1548
01:23:56,680 --> 01:23:58,600
Speaker 1: break between those two, I mean, it ain't that. I

1549
01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:01,840
Speaker 1: mean you get all days off, days that most people

1550
01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:04,799
Speaker 1: don't even think. Who gets a day off of professional development?

1551
01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:07,639
Speaker 1: I mean where you know, as a plumber, you don't.

1552
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:11,240
Speaker 1: It's these things you don't do. But to this whole point,

1553
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:14,600
Speaker 1: and you know less lest someone cut this up and

1554
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:17,160
Speaker 1: say that you or I have an issue with plumber.

1555
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:21,600
Speaker 2: Right because they're already saying in them are you saying plumbers?

1556
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:26,320
Speaker 2: Why we can't see those those things in your head

1557
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:30,679
Speaker 2: that told you you were less than the society. Maybe

1558
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:34,559
Speaker 2: somebody Mama, that cousin, that uppy cousin that came home

1559
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:37,599
Speaker 2: and made that. That's not what the homegirl's telling you. See,

1560
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:40,719
Speaker 2: but it proves that you didn't hear anything we said.

1561
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:44,639
Speaker 2: You immediately went to ain't nothing wrong with me. We're

1562
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:46,960
Speaker 2: here to tell you that we know. We're here to

1563
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:48,880
Speaker 2: give you the breaking the news that you can be

1564
01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:52,760
Speaker 2: a plumber and a teacher. In fact, they teach you.

1565
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:56,479
Speaker 1: You can actually go to a degree and teach it.

1566
01:24:56,880 --> 01:25:00,120
Speaker 1: And and here's what's dope about it. If you're a tea,

1567
01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:04,480
Speaker 1: you're teaching plumbing, right of your teacher teaching electricity.

1568
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:04,960
Speaker 2: Right.

1569
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:08,519
Speaker 1: If you're doing those things, you work one hundred and

1570
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:10,080
Speaker 1: eighty days a year. Let me tell you what you

1571
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:11,800
Speaker 1: get when you work one hundred day of days year.

1572
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:13,920
Speaker 1: You get to get home, when your kids get home.

1573
01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:15,840
Speaker 1: You get to coach your kids. You get to go,

1574
01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:17,800
Speaker 1: in some cases go to the same schools they if

1575
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:20,200
Speaker 1: they go to your school, you get the same vacation

1576
01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:23,120
Speaker 1: as they do. Your quality of life. You can be

1577
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:25,960
Speaker 1: in the Mason's, you could be in a delta, you

1578
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:28,240
Speaker 1: could be a que you could be an AKA, you

1579
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:31,639
Speaker 1: could be all those things. You could contribute to your church,

1580
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:34,720
Speaker 1: you could run for office. You can do all those things,

1581
01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:36,920
Speaker 1: because you know what, ain't nobody calling you past three

1582
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:41,639
Speaker 1: forty five, but anything ever, you can do all those

1583
01:25:41,680 --> 01:25:46,760
Speaker 1: things too. And the problem is because you have been

1584
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:49,880
Speaker 1: beaten down to believe that. If you hear somebody who

1585
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:54,040
Speaker 1: has degrees and who has titles to think that I

1586
01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:56,840
Speaker 1: am saying that you that there's something wrong with you.

1587
01:25:57,320 --> 01:25:59,479
Speaker 1: I know why you think that way. You may not,

1588
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:02,639
Speaker 1: and if you do, then I need you to own that.

1589
01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:05,320
Speaker 1: I'm not the one who hurts you, bro, I'm the

1590
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:08,160
Speaker 1: one saying to you've been hurt and it's not cool

1591
01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:10,960
Speaker 1: what they did to you. It's not cool because I'm

1592
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:13,680
Speaker 1: the first one who you will find, whether it was

1593
01:26:13,720 --> 01:26:17,040
Speaker 1: at a strip club or in a bob mitzvah, at

1594
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:19,599
Speaker 1: a barbecue or whatever. If I see somebody who says, hey,

1595
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:21,200
Speaker 1: I want to go to school, hey man, what do

1596
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:22,679
Speaker 1: you need to do? How do you want to do that?

1597
01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:28,880
Speaker 1: As the guy who built this edition, he is really

1598
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:33,760
Speaker 1: good at math, and he's got eight fingers now for

1599
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:38,360
Speaker 1: real because of this work doing this stuff. And he said,

1600
01:26:38,479 --> 01:26:39,920
Speaker 1: you know, he said, I can't get up and down

1601
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:43,559
Speaker 1: the ladder anymore. Dude, like fifty forty eight fifty. He's

1602
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:46,720
Speaker 1: not old, right, And I've said to him, I call

1603
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:49,599
Speaker 1: him cool Curd. I'm like cool Curve. Man. You know,

1604
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:53,559
Speaker 1: you're really good with math, like really good with math,

1605
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:56,400
Speaker 1: like in a way that when you starting out the room,

1606
01:26:56,880 --> 01:26:58,240
Speaker 1: it's like, I mean, he.

1607
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:01,280
Speaker 2: Please, I'm terrible. Come when you said the parent to say,

1608
01:27:01,320 --> 01:27:03,880
Speaker 2: I'm bad man, I'm that parent. Like when it comes

1609
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:07,800
Speaker 2: to math, Oh man, mindsell who's a mechanic. You have

1610
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:10,040
Speaker 2: to be really really good at math, really good. So

1611
01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:14,879
Speaker 2: never an argument about who's the smartest or who knows more. No,

1612
01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:16,360
Speaker 2: that's not what this is about.

1613
01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:18,920
Speaker 1: Trying to put you on options, just trying to put

1614
01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:21,720
Speaker 1: you on with options to say, my man, you have

1615
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:24,400
Speaker 1: I've said the Kirk will tell every time it comes to you, like, man,

1616
01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:26,360
Speaker 1: you ever think about going back to school. Well, I

1617
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:28,800
Speaker 1: stopped going to school when I was fifteen. Bruh. If

1618
01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:31,360
Speaker 1: you stop going to school at fifteen, hey, you're that

1619
01:27:31,479 --> 01:27:33,960
Speaker 1: good at man, you are freaking savant. So let me

1620
01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:36,320
Speaker 1: sell you something. A g didn't nothing but a couple

1621
01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:38,479
Speaker 1: of hours away for you. So then after that's flat

1622
01:27:38,479 --> 01:27:40,880
Speaker 1: streets and green lights. My man, then you don't have

1623
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:43,640
Speaker 1: to climb up on nothing to go underneath anything. You know,

1624
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:46,040
Speaker 1: not work when it's when it isn't rained, when it's raining,

1625
01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:48,760
Speaker 1: or come outside that day is when he's out here.

1626
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:51,519
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, damn, bro, you want something to drink? Like?

1627
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:53,640
Speaker 1: That's that's all I can give you. It's it is

1628
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:56,960
Speaker 1: a hundred degrees outside. I mean, I'm gonna pay you,

1629
01:27:57,000 --> 01:28:00,280
Speaker 1: but what's the impact on your body? But I'm saying

1630
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:02,680
Speaker 1: to him is it's the same thing I will say

1631
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:06,200
Speaker 1: to anybody I care about. I want what is a

1632
01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:09,559
Speaker 1: more comfortable existence for you? I want you to do

1633
01:28:09,680 --> 01:28:12,559
Speaker 1: what you love. How many times have I seen dudes

1634
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 1: who do have degrees who decides, you know what, I

1635
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:17,120
Speaker 1: went to college to do this thing, and I like

1636
01:28:17,160 --> 01:28:19,200
Speaker 1: making tables. So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna

1637
01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:21,479
Speaker 1: go make tables and I'm gonna make these fancy tables

1638
01:28:21,479 --> 01:28:23,479
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna sell them. Well, who do you think

1639
01:28:23,479 --> 01:28:24,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna sell them to? You're gonna sell them to

1640
01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:27,439
Speaker 1: people like you who also want to hear about how

1641
01:28:27,479 --> 01:28:29,200
Speaker 1: you went to school and how you did those things

1642
01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:30,920
Speaker 1: and how they can identify you with you, and they

1643
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 1: think that it's worth more to them if there's someone

1644
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:37,280
Speaker 1: who reminds them of themselves. We have to call balls

1645
01:28:37,320 --> 01:28:40,840
Speaker 1: and strikes here. Too many of us were led to

1646
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:44,800
Speaker 1: believe that college wasn't for us because the system was

1647
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:48,040
Speaker 1: set up to make sure that you never ever ever

1648
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:51,519
Speaker 1: felt that way. And then when someone says to you,

1649
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:55,280
Speaker 1: there's more for you than your insecurities, kick in my

1650
01:28:55,400 --> 01:28:57,160
Speaker 1: man and you start saying, so what you think I'm

1651
01:28:57,160 --> 01:29:00,360
Speaker 1: not good enough? Come on, dog, Come on dog. If

1652
01:29:00,479 --> 01:29:03,360
Speaker 1: you think me saying that's more for you makes you

1653
01:29:03,439 --> 01:29:05,519
Speaker 1: feel bad about you, then you got to ask yourself

1654
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:09,599
Speaker 1: the question, because for me, encouraging somebody believes is evidence

1655
01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:11,840
Speaker 1: that you believe that there's more in them. And when

1656
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:14,639
Speaker 1: you believe there's more in them, you in fact see

1657
01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:17,120
Speaker 1: the beauty in them. You're not limiting them to where

1658
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:19,800
Speaker 1: they are, you see them as more. So I challenge you.

1659
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:21,880
Speaker 1: If somebody's saying, yo, man, I think you could do more,

1660
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:24,559
Speaker 1: you need to throw you both arms around that person

1661
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:26,120
Speaker 1: and hop on their back and say, all right, even

1662
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:28,240
Speaker 1: show me where I can go, show me what I

1663
01:29:28,280 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 1: can do? True sorry, and shut out.

1664
01:29:31,240 --> 01:29:33,960
Speaker 2: To you who always pouring into me to do more.

1665
01:29:34,280 --> 01:29:36,679
Speaker 2: Shut Out to Ebony, I'm glad when I said, yeah,

1666
01:29:36,760 --> 01:29:41,439
Speaker 2: I'm finally because I've always law school was always on

1667
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:43,679
Speaker 2: the list. I need my dollar to go to school,

1668
01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:45,720
Speaker 2: so I actually could have time to actually go to

1669
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:50,160
Speaker 2: school with shut out to her and Judge Belvin Perry

1670
01:29:50,200 --> 01:29:53,040
Speaker 2: to she judge of you know, Orange County that wrote

1671
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:57,200
Speaker 2: my letter recommendation being Crump wrote my leg recommendation representing

1672
01:29:57,280 --> 01:30:00,800
Speaker 2: Lebron Bracy wrote my letter recommendation six, Oh, come on in,

1673
01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:04,160
Speaker 2: there's room for you. So I encourage you guys, get

1674
01:30:04,200 --> 01:30:07,720
Speaker 2: around somebody that's gonna just gonna say you can do it,

1675
01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:09,960
Speaker 2: that's gonna say you can do it, and and and

1676
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:12,400
Speaker 2: stop talking to people that say you can't, because that's

1677
01:30:12,439 --> 01:30:14,679
Speaker 2: really what this has come down to. Somebody is telling

1678
01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:17,519
Speaker 2: you that you're not good enough. Get around others. And

1679
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:19,840
Speaker 2: that goes back and talking about the HBCU. You know,

1680
01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:22,439
Speaker 2: listening to that orientation today of having those students keep

1681
01:30:22,479 --> 01:30:25,200
Speaker 2: standing up and saying I am enough, I'm more than enough.

1682
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:27,960
Speaker 2: There's a different environment, which being nothing against the p

1683
01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:30,559
Speaker 2: w out of white institutions, but there is a very

1684
01:30:30,600 --> 01:30:31,680
Speaker 2: distinct different.

1685
01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:33,960
Speaker 1: Difference there's a difference. There's a difference. There's difference. And

1686
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:36,400
Speaker 1: you know, when when I was in social work school,

1687
01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:39,760
Speaker 1: one of the first things that they taught us was

1688
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:45,760
Speaker 1: that the most most convincing and powerful voice that you

1689
01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:48,000
Speaker 1: will ever hear is the voice that's in your head.

1690
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:52,719
Speaker 1: And what this culture, with this society, what this country

1691
01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:54,760
Speaker 1: has done to you. If you think that you have

1692
01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:59,320
Speaker 1: hit your top, is it works because at this point

1693
01:30:59,439 --> 01:31:01,360
Speaker 1: you're in a no one's even talking to you like that,

1694
01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:04,160
Speaker 1: no one's even saying that. Now that's just an auto positive.

1695
01:31:04,520 --> 01:31:07,439
Speaker 1: So we look at someone. But I want to give

1696
01:31:07,439 --> 01:31:12,000
Speaker 1: you credit here to us, because you consciously surround yourself

1697
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:14,080
Speaker 1: with people who are going to pinch your meat a

1698
01:31:14,120 --> 01:31:16,519
Speaker 1: little bit, like come on, you gotta look come on,

1699
01:31:16,720 --> 01:31:20,000
Speaker 1: come on, come on, come on, come on, come on.

1700
01:31:20,720 --> 01:31:24,240
Speaker 1: And and I encourage you others to look.

1701
01:31:24,520 --> 01:31:27,080
Speaker 2: Like they don't know that we actually I'm looking at

1702
01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:31,719
Speaker 2: into the group chat now, constantly pushing each other, constantly

1703
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:34,280
Speaker 2: saying no, I don't really how many time we picked

1704
01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:36,360
Speaker 2: up the farm like, oh no, I'm not gonna push

1705
01:31:36,479 --> 01:31:38,840
Speaker 2: back on that. I don't know that constantly that's the

1706
01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:42,639
Speaker 2: learning process. You don't in the college environment It's not

1707
01:31:42,680 --> 01:31:44,519
Speaker 2: just people say I can just read books on my own.

1708
01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:47,240
Speaker 2: It's not about just reading books and reading words and

1709
01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:49,519
Speaker 2: flipping through to find what you believe in.

1710
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:50,840
Speaker 1: It is about.

1711
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:54,360
Speaker 2: Reading it, comprehending it, being tested on it, and also

1712
01:31:54,479 --> 01:31:59,320
Speaker 2: being around others that put you into thinking something else,

1713
01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:02,560
Speaker 2: that challenge to have a different viewpoint, that gets you

1714
01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:06,639
Speaker 2: to see something else, that gives you a different outlook

1715
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:08,760
Speaker 2: on line. That is what makes you successful.

1716
01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:12,439
Speaker 1: That is what I'll give you another example of that.

1717
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:15,240
Speaker 1: Think of it this way. Just think of it this way.

1718
01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:22,200
Speaker 1: Lebron James clearly can play basketball, but think of how

1719
01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:26,840
Speaker 1: many different coaches he has. He has attricious, he has

1720
01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:31,960
Speaker 1: a person, he probably has nothing short of ten people

1721
01:32:32,280 --> 01:32:35,880
Speaker 1: who work just with him to do something that one

1722
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:38,800
Speaker 1: could argue he already knows how to do better than

1723
01:32:38,840 --> 01:32:42,200
Speaker 1: any one of them individually. But he's smart enough to

1724
01:32:42,280 --> 01:32:45,240
Speaker 1: know that if I want to be better, I have

1725
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:48,240
Speaker 1: to surround myself with people who will push me to

1726
01:32:48,360 --> 01:32:52,000
Speaker 1: be better. Similarly, the higher you get as you see

1727
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:57,400
Speaker 1: an education, you actually get more advisors, more people telling

1728
01:32:57,400 --> 01:33:00,360
Speaker 1: you how to do stuff. What happens with the general

1729
01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:04,639
Speaker 1: population is you don't have somebody telling you So could

1730
01:33:04,720 --> 01:33:06,519
Speaker 1: you go to the gym and lose weight by yourself?

1731
01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:10,400
Speaker 1: You could, you absolutely could. Could you develop muscular muscularity

1732
01:33:10,640 --> 01:33:13,719
Speaker 1: you could. But if you really, really really got serious,

1733
01:33:14,120 --> 01:33:16,920
Speaker 1: you'd hire a trainer or two. And if you really

1734
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:19,840
Speaker 1: really really got serious, you had a trainer, a nutritionist,

1735
01:33:20,160 --> 01:33:24,000
Speaker 1: a stretch coach, a physician. You would just load up.

1736
01:33:24,240 --> 01:33:27,200
Speaker 1: You really really really the same. That's college right there,

1737
01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:30,599
Speaker 1: that right there that experiences college. If you really yes,

1738
01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:32,160
Speaker 1: you could just go out and read on your own.

1739
01:33:32,160 --> 01:33:34,800
Speaker 1: But if you really got serious, you would have all

1740
01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:38,080
Speaker 1: these other people who are experts in their field pushing

1741
01:33:38,160 --> 01:33:40,960
Speaker 1: and pulling you and getting you to think beyond the

1742
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:44,639
Speaker 1: condition that you're in. Because you can only push yourself

1743
01:33:44,680 --> 01:33:48,120
Speaker 1: as much as you know. It isn't until someone else

1744
01:33:48,240 --> 01:33:51,280
Speaker 1: introduces a concept to you. I mean, let me say so,

1745
01:33:52,160 --> 01:33:56,519
Speaker 1: when I was in undergrad, I remember when I got there,

1746
01:33:57,080 --> 01:34:01,320
Speaker 1: I went to a PWY and I remember when they

1747
01:34:01,320 --> 01:34:04,479
Speaker 1: would talk, it sounded like a different language. Test I

1748
01:34:04,479 --> 01:34:07,799
Speaker 1: didn't grow up talking like that. People in my neighborhood

1749
01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:09,960
Speaker 1: didn't talk like them. There were words that they would

1750
01:34:10,040 --> 01:34:12,280
Speaker 1: use that I didn't know. And this is back before

1751
01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:15,720
Speaker 1: I could google anything. So I kept a notebook with me. Well,

1752
01:34:15,760 --> 01:34:18,680
Speaker 1: I would write down the words that I as I

1753
01:34:18,760 --> 01:34:22,040
Speaker 1: thought they were written, and so I would try to

1754
01:34:22,120 --> 01:34:25,160
Speaker 1: improve my vocabulary. I put a whole bunch of you know,

1755
01:34:26,520 --> 01:34:29,639
Speaker 1: adjectives on the front of the superlatives. I would oh, man,

1756
01:34:31,000 --> 01:34:33,479
Speaker 1: I sounded like that sketch from in Living Color when

1757
01:34:33,479 --> 01:34:35,519
Speaker 1: they were in prison, so the Pacific State, I would

1758
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:38,840
Speaker 1: talk like that. I was trying. I was just trying

1759
01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:40,920
Speaker 1: to sound like I was smart, because that's what they did.

1760
01:34:41,120 --> 01:34:43,240
Speaker 1: And I was always looked for for opportunity to say

1761
01:34:43,240 --> 01:34:45,360
Speaker 1: words like perhaps, because it just sounded like such a

1762
01:34:45,400 --> 01:34:50,120
Speaker 1: smart thing that they and somebody would beat me too

1763
01:34:50,120 --> 01:34:52,720
Speaker 1: if they'd say perhaps, I'm like, God, damn, Like you

1764
01:34:52,760 --> 01:34:55,960
Speaker 1: can't say perhaps after somebody else is said right. But

1765
01:34:56,080 --> 01:34:59,040
Speaker 1: I grew up, I grew up speaking with a particular way.

1766
01:34:59,120 --> 01:35:03,480
Speaker 1: My family's from North Carolina, and my father never graduated

1767
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:06,320
Speaker 1: uh well, it never made it past eighth grade. And

1768
01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:09,200
Speaker 1: my mother, she had me on her sixteenth birthday. I

1769
01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:11,560
Speaker 1: was at her high school graduation. Like they're pictures of

1770
01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:13,680
Speaker 1: me at my mother's high school graduation. So you know

1771
01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:17,080
Speaker 1: the point that I'm making is that while I was there,

1772
01:35:17,240 --> 01:35:20,200
Speaker 1: I was picking up a vocabulary that I can switch

1773
01:35:20,320 --> 01:35:24,120
Speaker 1: to when I need them to do what I need

1774
01:35:24,160 --> 01:35:26,840
Speaker 1: them to do. Here's the thing they can't switch to.

1775
01:35:26,920 --> 01:35:31,840
Speaker 1: Mind mmm, I speak their language, that's right.

1776
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:34,200
Speaker 2: And that's what makes the educated black man one of

1777
01:35:34,240 --> 01:35:38,080
Speaker 2: the most dangerous, the most dangerous in society. Go ahead,

1778
01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:40,400
Speaker 2: you can cold switch in, but they can't go.

1779
01:35:41,360 --> 01:35:43,560
Speaker 1: But stay there for a second. So let me just

1780
01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:46,519
Speaker 1: tell you that this is a true story. So I

1781
01:35:45,400 --> 01:35:49,519
Speaker 1: had my last book that I wrote, Uh is with

1782
01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:55,360
Speaker 1: the big publisher, and I don't have any sense, and

1783
01:35:55,439 --> 01:35:58,559
Speaker 1: so I'm me all the time, and I was on

1784
01:35:58,600 --> 01:36:01,439
Speaker 1: the phone with the publisher. He was is this like

1785
01:36:01,560 --> 01:36:04,360
Speaker 1: he is the whitest human being on earth, Like they're like,

1786
01:36:04,800 --> 01:36:06,559
Speaker 1: if you think of the whitest man, you know he's

1787
01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:08,760
Speaker 1: on the other side of that. And he was he

1788
01:36:08,840 --> 01:36:10,519
Speaker 1: was talking the way I don't think that he was

1789
01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:13,719
Speaker 1: thinking that was gonna come back with a different energy

1790
01:36:13,760 --> 01:36:17,240
Speaker 1: than what he had. And so he said to Uh,

1791
01:36:17,680 --> 01:36:20,080
Speaker 1: to me, I need you to write a book for

1792
01:36:20,120 --> 01:36:25,080
Speaker 1: the mainstream. And I asked him what he meant by that,

1793
01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:27,559
Speaker 1: because he didn't want to say what he meant. And

1794
01:36:27,640 --> 01:36:29,880
Speaker 1: I kept pressing him and pressing him and pressing him.

1795
01:36:29,880 --> 01:36:34,360
Speaker 1: And he said, uh, I need you to write a

1796
01:36:34,400 --> 01:36:36,439
Speaker 1: book for the mainstream. I said, well, hip hop is

1797
01:36:36,479 --> 01:36:40,200
Speaker 1: the largest music farm in the world. So to me,

1798
01:36:40,240 --> 01:36:43,080
Speaker 1: ready like that, is that what you mean? You know

1799
01:36:43,160 --> 01:36:45,640
Speaker 1: that's not what I mean, Steve. He refused it on me,

1800
01:36:45,680 --> 01:36:47,759
Speaker 1: Doctor Perry, you know that's not what I mean, Steve.

1801
01:36:47,840 --> 01:36:50,320
Speaker 1: And he had no degree. He only had a bachelor's degree.

1802
01:36:50,360 --> 01:36:53,600
Speaker 1: But keep in mind he's white, so uh so he

1803
01:36:53,640 --> 01:36:54,160
Speaker 1: could do that.

1804
01:36:54,479 --> 01:36:55,120
Speaker 2: I can't.

1805
01:36:55,160 --> 01:36:57,400
Speaker 1: I can't be doctor pared in him. I'm Steve right

1806
01:36:57,439 --> 01:36:59,519
Speaker 1: because he got he got to take all my extra

1807
01:36:59,600 --> 01:37:06,120
Speaker 1: degrees way right. So fast forward. I'm going back and

1808
01:37:06,160 --> 01:37:07,960
Speaker 1: forth with him, and he gets He gets to the

1809
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:11,160
Speaker 1: point where he says, write a book for a middle

1810
01:37:11,200 --> 01:37:13,680
Speaker 1: aged white man. He says this out loud to me.

1811
01:37:14,040 --> 01:37:16,240
Speaker 1: He says, it's outloud to me, and I ain't say

1812
01:37:16,760 --> 01:37:19,439
Speaker 1: that's I let it go. That's not what I meant.

1813
01:37:20,080 --> 01:37:22,080
Speaker 1: That is exactly what you meant. But here's the point

1814
01:37:22,120 --> 01:37:24,559
Speaker 1: of the story. I knew how to get him on

1815
01:37:24,640 --> 01:37:29,080
Speaker 1: his heels, speaking his language. He couldn't speak mom. He

1816
01:37:29,120 --> 01:37:31,360
Speaker 1: didn't know how to piss me off. There's some things

1817
01:37:31,360 --> 01:37:33,280
Speaker 1: he could have said, like people I grew up with

1818
01:37:33,320 --> 01:37:36,840
Speaker 1: if he had said it, I snapped. I snapped because

1819
01:37:36,840 --> 01:37:38,400
Speaker 1: they was taking me back to a certain place, and

1820
01:37:38,439 --> 01:37:39,920
Speaker 1: I've talked to him a certain way, and it's been

1821
01:37:40,080 --> 01:37:44,400
Speaker 1: like all reckless conversation when you're off in school and

1822
01:37:44,439 --> 01:37:46,880
Speaker 1: you're in there, and and and some white boy asks

1823
01:37:46,920 --> 01:37:49,000
Speaker 1: you if you get a tan, and you want to

1824
01:37:49,040 --> 01:37:53,760
Speaker 1: just slap fire out of him. Absolutely learn when when

1825
01:37:54,320 --> 01:37:56,840
Speaker 1: there's a professor who calls on everybody in the class.

1826
01:37:56,880 --> 01:38:01,080
Speaker 1: But you you gotta learn, You gotta figure out that means.

1827
01:38:01,479 --> 01:38:05,640
Speaker 1: It's not just my youngest son who goes to an HBCU,

1828
01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:08,679
Speaker 1: my oldest one to a pw I, and my youngest

1829
01:38:08,680 --> 01:38:12,160
Speaker 1: son works at a camp where he's the only one

1830
01:38:12,160 --> 01:38:15,800
Speaker 1: of the only black uh young people working there and

1831
01:38:16,080 --> 01:38:18,800
Speaker 1: very few black students are there. It's the area that

1832
01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:23,840
Speaker 1: we live in, and even he is finding himself confronting

1833
01:38:23,920 --> 01:38:27,600
Speaker 1: these what we refer to as microaggressions that he but

1834
01:38:27,680 --> 01:38:31,360
Speaker 1: he when he comes home, we can troubleshoot, we can

1835
01:38:31,479 --> 01:38:34,000
Speaker 1: problem solve, we can work through it. I can tell man, look,

1836
01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:36,400
Speaker 1: you guys, you know his I know the first couple

1837
01:38:36,400 --> 01:38:38,640
Speaker 1: of things you want to say, None of those are

1838
01:38:38,680 --> 01:38:41,799
Speaker 1: options if you want to work there tomorrow that you

1839
01:38:42,200 --> 01:38:45,120
Speaker 1: none of those are options. It doesn't mean I mean

1840
01:38:45,160 --> 01:38:46,639
Speaker 1: you have to do it to cost to learn those things,

1841
01:38:46,680 --> 01:38:48,439
Speaker 1: but it's a really good place to learn them. And

1842
01:38:48,479 --> 01:38:51,559
Speaker 1: you're in a three hundred and sixty degree experience where

1843
01:38:51,920 --> 01:38:53,920
Speaker 1: you're there with them all the time, and so you

1844
01:38:54,040 --> 01:38:58,599
Speaker 1: learn their ways. They never ever stop to even try

1845
01:38:58,640 --> 01:39:01,080
Speaker 1: to figure yours out. All you do is come out

1846
01:39:01,080 --> 01:39:02,599
Speaker 1: with advantages.

1847
01:39:02,439 --> 01:39:05,160
Speaker 2: Nothing but advantages. And when I see people and then

1848
01:39:05,160 --> 01:39:06,840
Speaker 2: we'll rap it U because I don't get back to

1849
01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:09,960
Speaker 2: my studying. I see people say, and you know, I

1850
01:39:10,080 --> 01:39:12,920
Speaker 2: question that, and I don't want to call anybody a liar.

1851
01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:16,479
Speaker 2: But when I hear somebody allegedly claim to have a

1852
01:39:16,520 --> 01:39:20,439
Speaker 2: degree and say I regret it being a black man,

1853
01:39:21,200 --> 01:39:23,000
Speaker 2: or when they say, well I got a degree and

1854
01:39:23,040 --> 01:39:24,320
Speaker 2: a trade and I regret it.

1855
01:39:24,240 --> 01:39:24,320
Speaker 1: I.

1856
01:39:26,600 --> 01:39:29,360
Speaker 2: It's very hard for me to believe because I don't

1857
01:39:29,439 --> 01:39:33,559
Speaker 2: know any Now we might write about the loans or

1858
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:35,880
Speaker 2: you know, hey it wasn't you know, I could have

1859
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:38,479
Speaker 2: did whatever, but I never And I'm not a black man.

1860
01:39:38,560 --> 01:39:40,439
Speaker 2: So you can say together with just a poe, we

1861
01:39:40,439 --> 01:39:42,439
Speaker 2: don't know every black man that has a degree. But

1862
01:39:42,560 --> 01:39:47,280
Speaker 2: in my experience, I have not ran in any black

1863
01:39:47,320 --> 01:39:49,600
Speaker 2: man that I can verify that I know, because you

1864
01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:51,640
Speaker 2: can say anything on app you know, sometimes people just

1865
01:39:51,640 --> 01:39:54,040
Speaker 2: say something just to have stake in the conversation. If

1866
01:39:54,080 --> 01:39:56,080
Speaker 2: I say, well, only doctors know this, they'll say, well,

1867
01:39:56,080 --> 01:39:59,840
Speaker 2: as a doctor, I ain't saying So they say what

1868
01:40:00,080 --> 01:40:02,080
Speaker 2: they want to say, and there's no way to verify it.

1869
01:40:02,320 --> 01:40:04,080
Speaker 2: But out of the men, out of the black men

1870
01:40:04,120 --> 01:40:06,520
Speaker 2: that I know that I actually know have a degree,

1871
01:40:06,640 --> 01:40:09,439
Speaker 2: I have not heard one, again my very small poe,

1872
01:40:09,880 --> 01:40:13,759
Speaker 2: that have said I regret it. If there's things change, Yes,

1873
01:40:14,280 --> 01:40:17,240
Speaker 2: maybe the loan, maybe I would have had a differend made, whatever,

1874
01:40:17,600 --> 01:40:22,120
Speaker 2: but not one that regrets it. Because the pros outweigh

1875
01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:27,120
Speaker 2: the comments. And I certainly haven't found one that's doing well,

1876
01:40:27,920 --> 01:40:30,559
Speaker 2: that has a degree and a trade in making money,

1877
01:40:30,720 --> 01:40:32,880
Speaker 2: because too many things are in your favor for you

1878
01:40:32,920 --> 01:40:35,280
Speaker 2: to say I regret it. That just doesn't add up

1879
01:40:35,280 --> 01:40:38,920
Speaker 2: to me. When you look at all of the pros

1880
01:40:39,080 --> 01:40:41,679
Speaker 2: that you get and having an advantage in a world

1881
01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:44,400
Speaker 2: that doesn't even see you as a full human being,

1882
01:40:44,840 --> 01:40:47,760
Speaker 2: it is very hard for me to believe that one

1883
01:40:47,760 --> 01:40:49,400
Speaker 2: of the things that they don't want you to have

1884
01:40:49,800 --> 01:40:52,400
Speaker 2: is an education. That that hasn't served you well. And

1885
01:40:52,439 --> 01:40:54,360
Speaker 2: if it hasn't served you well, let me just say

1886
01:40:54,360 --> 01:40:56,639
Speaker 2: this because of no shade. But when I see people

1887
01:40:56,720 --> 01:40:59,280
Speaker 2: that make a point to say something negative about people

1888
01:40:59,320 --> 01:41:02,839
Speaker 2: going to college, I wonder, did you finish? Is this shade?

1889
01:41:02,920 --> 01:41:05,080
Speaker 2: Because you didn't finish? So now you're a set and

1890
01:41:05,120 --> 01:41:08,680
Speaker 2: you're projected did you never go? Or did you go?

1891
01:41:09,240 --> 01:41:11,880
Speaker 2: And you did not know how to parlay it into

1892
01:41:11,920 --> 01:41:15,479
Speaker 2: something else? And opposed to you raising your hand to say,

1893
01:41:15,560 --> 01:41:18,680
Speaker 2: how can I parlay this? How can I network? How

1894
01:41:18,720 --> 01:41:21,519
Speaker 2: can I figure out how to actually use this degree?

1895
01:41:21,560 --> 01:41:24,360
Speaker 2: Because maybe my people skills ain't on point. So because

1896
01:41:24,400 --> 01:41:28,519
Speaker 2: I did not implement it properly, now I am bitter

1897
01:41:28,840 --> 01:41:30,960
Speaker 2: and of set because I didn't know how to play

1898
01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:33,320
Speaker 2: the game. Because a lot of this is knowing how

1899
01:41:33,320 --> 01:41:35,799
Speaker 2: to play the game. It's plenty of people that get degrees,

1900
01:41:35,840 --> 01:41:38,280
Speaker 2: plenty people that go to law school. But if you

1901
01:41:38,320 --> 01:41:40,360
Speaker 2: don't know how to network, if you don't know how

1902
01:41:40,400 --> 01:41:43,040
Speaker 2: to build relationship, if you don't know how to get clients,

1903
01:41:43,040 --> 01:41:45,360
Speaker 2: you simply just have a lot of agrees. There's probably

1904
01:41:45,439 --> 01:41:48,439
Speaker 2: very few medical medical doctors. Probably one of the few

1905
01:41:48,520 --> 01:41:50,559
Speaker 2: an engineer that could just come out of college and

1906
01:41:50,600 --> 01:41:52,679
Speaker 2: just immediately go, you know, get a job. But there's

1907
01:41:52,720 --> 01:41:55,720
Speaker 2: some of us that require an additional skill set and

1908
01:41:55,760 --> 01:41:58,920
Speaker 2: because they haven't been able to implement that skill set,

1909
01:41:59,120 --> 01:42:01,120
Speaker 2: then now all of a sudden, the degree was a

1910
01:42:01,160 --> 01:42:04,720
Speaker 2: waste of time. No, perhaps you waste your time and

1911
01:42:04,800 --> 01:42:07,880
Speaker 2: you did not get all of the necessary tools that

1912
01:42:07,960 --> 01:42:09,880
Speaker 2: you need in addition to that paperwork.

1913
01:42:09,600 --> 01:42:13,680
Speaker 1: Or did or did or did your girl cheat on

1914
01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:18,040
Speaker 1: you with a guy.

1915
01:42:15,439 --> 01:42:22,680
Speaker 2: That could be but blue collar brothers, I'll say that

1916
01:42:22,840 --> 01:42:24,200
Speaker 2: a lot of a lot of blue collars. A lot

1917
01:42:24,240 --> 01:42:25,960
Speaker 2: of the white collar brothers don't like our blue collar

1918
01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:26,439
Speaker 2: brothers too.

1919
01:42:26,479 --> 01:42:30,040
Speaker 1: That it goes both ways down and I don't get

1920
01:42:30,040 --> 01:42:32,960
Speaker 1: it's weird and.

1921
01:42:35,120 --> 01:42:37,080
Speaker 2: The white collar brothers and you know what, it comes

1922
01:42:37,080 --> 01:42:39,599
Speaker 2: down to a lot of times, women always and that's

1923
01:42:39,640 --> 01:42:42,560
Speaker 2: why you if you look in the comments today, I

1924
01:42:42,880 --> 01:42:45,360
Speaker 2: really enjoyed seeing what motivated black men because I don't

1925
01:42:45,360 --> 01:42:47,120
Speaker 2: want to hear the negative. I want to hear the positive.

1926
01:42:47,280 --> 01:42:49,479
Speaker 2: And there were a lot of men that said a

1927
01:42:49,560 --> 01:42:51,960
Speaker 2: lot of women. I enjoyed. That was one of the things.

1928
01:42:52,040 --> 01:42:55,240
Speaker 2: I also didn't know that the movie Boomerang was.

1929
01:42:55,240 --> 01:43:01,760
Speaker 1: So hey, hey, hey, that's that. Hey what inspire me.

1930
01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:04,880
Speaker 2: Boomerang, I see not know. There was several brothers that

1931
01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:08,360
Speaker 2: was like you a Different World Cosby Show, but Boomerang,

1932
01:43:08,439 --> 01:43:09,639
Speaker 2: I guess they wanted to be more.

1933
01:43:11,240 --> 01:43:13,679
Speaker 1: All of those. Let me just be Crystal. I'm gonna

1934
01:43:13,720 --> 01:43:17,080
Speaker 1: keep it a buck. I watched TV one day a

1935
01:43:17,080 --> 01:43:19,120
Speaker 1: week when I was in college. It's a true story.

1936
01:43:19,280 --> 01:43:22,080
Speaker 1: It was on Thursday nights. I watched it on Thursday nights,

1937
01:43:22,080 --> 01:43:24,080
Speaker 1: I watched a Different World and I watched the Cosby Show.

1938
01:43:24,720 --> 01:43:28,400
Speaker 1: For me, somebody who grew up in a largely white city,

1939
01:43:29,080 --> 01:43:33,640
Speaker 1: you know, uh, even in a poor Minoriti community, for

1940
01:43:33,680 --> 01:43:37,160
Speaker 1: me to see those people doing those things, it was

1941
01:43:37,160 --> 01:43:40,080
Speaker 1: like watching superheroes for me, and then to the point

1942
01:43:40,080 --> 01:43:43,719
Speaker 1: where I was, I mean, I wanted to be them.

1943
01:43:44,640 --> 01:43:47,680
Speaker 1: It was everything in me. And let me take to

1944
01:43:47,840 --> 01:43:50,400
Speaker 1: let me add one piece that keep in mind, during

1945
01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:53,599
Speaker 1: that same time, Chuck d and Public Enemy were telling

1946
01:43:53,640 --> 01:43:56,680
Speaker 1: me that to be black and proud. And you know

1947
01:43:57,680 --> 01:44:01,519
Speaker 1: that krus One was the tea and these men had

1948
01:44:01,520 --> 01:44:06,200
Speaker 1: these amazing vocabularies and and and right not long after that,

1949
01:44:06,520 --> 01:44:08,920
Speaker 1: Farakahn was telling them, telling us to meet them in

1950
01:44:09,000 --> 01:44:12,559
Speaker 1: d C. And so during that time, let me be

1951
01:44:12,920 --> 01:44:16,760
Speaker 1: crystal Clear. The zeikeist was pouring into me in a

1952
01:44:16,800 --> 01:44:19,080
Speaker 1: way where I just you know, I've started with the

1953
01:44:19,120 --> 01:44:23,200
Speaker 1: reading of autobiotics via Malcolm X, and then I turn

1954
01:44:23,240 --> 01:44:25,120
Speaker 1: on my television one day a week, and then on

1955
01:44:25,200 --> 01:44:27,679
Speaker 1: Fridays in my senior year, I started to watch Family Matters.

1956
01:44:27,680 --> 01:44:29,760
Speaker 1: But you understand the point which on Friday nights. My

1957
01:44:29,800 --> 01:44:43,920
Speaker 1: point is that he seeing those images at a time

1958
01:44:44,439 --> 01:44:49,040
Speaker 1: time when even member members of my own family made

1959
01:44:49,080 --> 01:44:51,439
Speaker 1: me feel like or attempted to me and make me

1960
01:44:51,479 --> 01:44:54,320
Speaker 1: feel but attempted to make me feel that there was

1961
01:44:54,400 --> 01:44:58,000
Speaker 1: something wrong with me. And then coming back to literally

1962
01:44:58,080 --> 01:45:03,760
Speaker 1: going away parties and and they were cats who were

1963
01:45:03,800 --> 01:45:06,680
Speaker 1: going to prison, and I'm like, yeah, like you know

1964
01:45:06,720 --> 01:45:08,360
Speaker 1: how broke I am up at college, Like do you

1965
01:45:08,479 --> 01:45:10,599
Speaker 1: understand that this? I don't want to cut all these

1966
01:45:10,680 --> 01:45:12,160
Speaker 1: dudes hair. I don't want to.

1967
01:45:12,680 --> 01:45:12,880
Speaker 2: You know.

1968
01:45:12,960 --> 01:45:14,920
Speaker 1: My white roommates were like, yo, man, they keep sitting

1969
01:45:14,960 --> 01:45:16,720
Speaker 1: on my bed. I'm like, well, didn't say something to them,

1970
01:45:18,720 --> 01:45:21,840
Speaker 1: but I got to make these this brad dog like you.

1971
01:45:22,439 --> 01:45:24,479
Speaker 2: People in the hood. Just to that point earlier, because

1972
01:45:24,479 --> 01:45:26,920
Speaker 2: we were talking about this before that not everybody's yealous,

1973
01:45:26,920 --> 01:45:28,479
Speaker 2: because you had a lot of dudes in the hood.

1974
01:45:28,479 --> 01:45:30,800
Speaker 2: It was like, no, this ain't for care.

1975
01:45:31,080 --> 01:45:36,880
Speaker 1: They literally did we want to shot Crystal Clear? No

1976
01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:42,840
Speaker 1: crystal No, no, crystal Clear, crystal Clear. That were yo,

1977
01:45:43,040 --> 01:45:45,760
Speaker 1: you gotta go young blood, like, well, why are we chilling? No,

1978
01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:47,920
Speaker 1: we ain't chilling. I'm upa beat your ass. If you

1979
01:45:47,920 --> 01:45:49,760
Speaker 1: don't get up out here. Well, you know, say she

1980
01:45:49,800 --> 01:45:51,400
Speaker 1: put it that way, I'd.

1981
01:45:53,560 --> 01:45:56,639
Speaker 2: Tell me before we get off, what was it about?

1982
01:45:56,680 --> 01:45:59,280
Speaker 2: And I'll just say this because television is so critically

1983
01:45:59,320 --> 01:46:01,920
Speaker 2: important too, which we see in the comments. And guys,

1984
01:46:01,960 --> 01:46:04,479
Speaker 2: we're talking about the comments that were made today on

1985
01:46:04,560 --> 01:46:06,720
Speaker 2: my posts about black men and going to college and

1986
01:46:06,720 --> 01:46:09,600
Speaker 2: what motivated them. Rather than talking about all the negatives,

1987
01:46:09,680 --> 01:46:11,920
Speaker 2: I wanted to know what motivated and there was a

1988
01:46:11,960 --> 01:46:14,800
Speaker 2: lot of reference with Cosbi shelling a different world. And

1989
01:46:14,840 --> 01:46:18,639
Speaker 2: I was enlightened today to know that boomerang. You know, now,

1990
01:46:18,680 --> 01:46:21,400
Speaker 2: I know what I saw from it. I didn't think

1991
01:46:21,400 --> 01:46:24,760
Speaker 2: about college. I thought about for me because I was

1992
01:46:24,800 --> 01:46:26,519
Speaker 2: in sales, and always in sales. I know I had

1993
01:46:26,560 --> 01:46:30,360
Speaker 2: to get to gas. So I saw Robin Gibbns' character

1994
01:46:31,000 --> 01:46:33,719
Speaker 2: as the boss that I am, you know, in the sale.

1995
01:46:33,760 --> 01:46:36,439
Speaker 2: So I saw those opportunities through sales. I didn't see

1996
01:46:36,439 --> 01:46:40,160
Speaker 2: the college connection. But what was it about it? I

1997
01:46:40,160 --> 01:46:45,120
Speaker 2: guess was it because Marcus the only attainable way was

1998
01:46:45,160 --> 01:46:48,639
Speaker 2: through college? Is that why they're saying maybe it's funny?

1999
01:46:48,720 --> 01:46:52,720
Speaker 1: Is what's so funny? I know Boomerang embarrassingly well, like

2000
01:46:52,840 --> 01:46:55,240
Speaker 1: it's one of those movies that you probably shouldn't watch

2001
01:46:55,240 --> 01:46:56,920
Speaker 1: it with me because I'm gonna talk. I'm gonna say

2002
01:46:56,920 --> 01:47:01,920
Speaker 1: the whole thing. What moved me about Boomerang because it

2003
01:47:01,960 --> 01:47:07,160
Speaker 1: came out in my senior year of college. What it

2004
01:47:07,280 --> 01:47:14,840
Speaker 1: was so beautiful? So the Marcus was I mean I

2005
01:47:14,920 --> 01:47:16,559
Speaker 1: used to try to do my hair like he had

2006
01:47:16,600 --> 01:47:19,000
Speaker 1: done his air. I'm telling you, I was locked in

2007
01:47:19,080 --> 01:47:20,080
Speaker 1: on more somebody.

2008
01:47:19,880 --> 01:47:22,640
Speaker 2: In the comments Marcus's apartment.

2009
01:47:22,320 --> 01:47:25,640
Speaker 1: Yeah listen. And and I mean, let's be honest, that

2010
01:47:25,800 --> 01:47:29,680
Speaker 1: was That was Apex halle Berry. No disrespect since then,

2011
01:47:29,720 --> 01:47:31,559
Speaker 1: but I mean at that point, it was like, oh

2012
01:47:31,680 --> 01:47:35,120
Speaker 1: my god, who is she? Just what who made? Like?

2013
01:47:35,240 --> 01:47:36,960
Speaker 1: What had she made him? That's not even a real

2014
01:47:37,040 --> 01:47:43,320
Speaker 1: human being? And just that nobody died, nobody got shot,

2015
01:47:44,080 --> 01:47:46,800
Speaker 1: and and and think about how important that image is,

2016
01:47:47,000 --> 01:47:49,000
Speaker 1: Like I really want to state the man I wish

2017
01:47:49,040 --> 01:47:50,519
Speaker 1: you had said this at this point because you know

2018
01:47:50,560 --> 01:47:52,200
Speaker 1: what you got. I got to be a sober friend

2019
01:47:52,240 --> 01:47:53,400
Speaker 1: and let you get back to work. So I'm not

2020
01:47:53,400 --> 01:47:54,880
Speaker 1: gonna hold you long on this, but let me say this.

2021
01:47:55,760 --> 01:47:59,439
Speaker 1: After that, there were no more.

2022
01:48:00,760 --> 01:48:02,639
Speaker 2: Well, what about the best man? Was that close?

2023
01:48:03,160 --> 01:48:05,680
Speaker 1: Not even in the same era. Best man came out

2024
01:48:05,760 --> 01:48:06,400
Speaker 1: much later.

2025
01:48:07,360 --> 01:48:10,040
Speaker 2: What was the best man for that era? Though similar

2026
01:48:10,240 --> 01:48:13,840
Speaker 2: or different? I don't see it. The corporate So are

2027
01:48:13,840 --> 01:48:14,960
Speaker 2: we talking about so with.

2028
01:48:15,960 --> 01:48:18,280
Speaker 1: Booming watch Marcus at work? Marcus says that on his

2029
01:48:18,439 --> 01:48:26,759
Speaker 1: job name name name another non attorney black man who

2030
01:48:27,120 --> 01:48:34,040
Speaker 1: was just dope. He was, you know, and he was

2031
01:48:35,040 --> 01:48:38,800
Speaker 1: so if I'm keeping it a bug, I mean that's

2032
01:48:38,840 --> 01:48:40,959
Speaker 1: what I want to do my schools. I want boomerang,

2033
01:48:41,080 --> 01:48:44,400
Speaker 1: Like who doesn't want that? He just was just so

2034
01:48:45,479 --> 01:48:50,080
Speaker 1: immaculate in his presentation of blackness. And all the way

2035
01:48:50,080 --> 01:48:53,680
Speaker 1: down to the male room, Chris Rock, where everybody in

2036
01:48:53,760 --> 01:48:56,519
Speaker 1: there was was rooting for this dude, and there was

2037
01:48:56,640 --> 01:49:00,000
Speaker 1: nothing off putting about him or any of the wells

2038
01:49:00,000 --> 01:49:06,080
Speaker 1: developed characters. Nobody was out of pocket. Show me a

2039
01:49:06,200 --> 01:49:10,799
Speaker 1: person who can watch boomerang. Honestly, that's a very important

2040
01:49:10,840 --> 01:49:14,080
Speaker 1: stage of our lives and not pick a person they

2041
01:49:14,120 --> 01:49:14,559
Speaker 1: wanted to be.

2042
01:49:15,240 --> 01:49:17,760
Speaker 2: No, we didn't come out in because somebody here is

2043
01:49:17,760 --> 01:49:20,559
Speaker 2: saying the Wood is. Another example that's a different error.

2044
01:49:21,439 --> 01:49:24,840
Speaker 1: D it's not ninety two is when Boomerang came out

2045
01:49:25,880 --> 01:49:26,519
Speaker 1: summer of.

2046
01:49:27,000 --> 01:49:29,519
Speaker 2: Let me see when the Wood came out. So there's

2047
01:49:29,560 --> 01:49:33,000
Speaker 2: also eraror so when you say name another movie. So

2048
01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:35,760
Speaker 2: so the Wood came out in nineteen ninety nine, not

2049
01:49:35,800 --> 01:49:40,320
Speaker 2: to say it still wasn't you're saying in corporate America

2050
01:49:40,479 --> 01:49:46,080
Speaker 2: on the job, black people in charge making decisions, the

2051
01:49:46,200 --> 01:49:48,960
Speaker 2: cool guy, the handsome guy dressed.

2052
01:49:48,720 --> 01:49:52,639
Speaker 1: Wet every god, every single one of them. Yeah, every

2053
01:49:53,240 --> 01:49:57,160
Speaker 1: single one of them. There was not one member of

2054
01:49:57,200 --> 01:50:03,519
Speaker 1: the cast who was a person. Everyone Grace Jones was dope.

2055
01:50:04,040 --> 01:50:09,360
Speaker 1: I mean, it was just so perfectly timed. And if

2056
01:50:09,400 --> 01:50:11,920
Speaker 1: I'm being honest, there have been a couple of times

2057
01:50:11,960 --> 01:50:14,040
Speaker 1: in different corporate settings that I've been in that have

2058
01:50:14,080 --> 01:50:16,879
Speaker 1: been led by black people, you know, many of them famous,

2059
01:50:16,920 --> 01:50:20,160
Speaker 1: but that it actually didn't look that different than that.

2060
01:50:21,560 --> 01:50:24,640
Speaker 1: If you peel back a lot of black people's successes,

2061
01:50:25,400 --> 01:50:27,320
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, I got this from bove Ring. Like

2062
01:50:27,360 --> 01:50:30,200
Speaker 1: I remember when Marcus had that long black jacket on

2063
01:50:30,320 --> 01:50:32,400
Speaker 1: and the turtleneck and I was kind of going for

2064
01:50:32,439 --> 01:50:38,880
Speaker 1: the black turtleneck thing. It was so beautifully done that

2065
01:50:38,960 --> 01:50:42,599
Speaker 1: they've never done it again. Think of this for a second.

2066
01:50:42,960 --> 01:50:45,639
Speaker 1: Think of all the Eddie Murphy movies that they've been in. Right,

2067
01:50:48,160 --> 01:50:53,040
Speaker 1: they've done more than one of them. Boomerang's got nothing,

2068
01:50:53,120 --> 01:50:57,840
Speaker 1: but Boomerang could be a series, right, they get mared,

2069
01:50:57,960 --> 01:51:01,800
Speaker 1: they have kids, she's a teacher. That's a whole series, right.

2070
01:51:02,600 --> 01:51:05,760
Speaker 1: M During that time, you had the Fresh Prince of

2071
01:51:05,800 --> 01:51:13,559
Speaker 1: bel Air, uh, the Cosby Show, a Different World, Family Matters,

2072
01:51:14,120 --> 01:51:19,040
Speaker 1: and they're all gone, and they were all sold off

2073
01:51:19,720 --> 01:51:26,320
Speaker 1: for Boys in the Hood, New Jack City, and all

2074
01:51:26,400 --> 01:51:33,200
Speaker 1: of those Juice, all of those kill Kill Kill movies,

2075
01:51:33,840 --> 01:51:37,160
Speaker 1: all of them Justice, somebody dies in all of them,

2076
01:51:37,439 --> 01:51:41,599
Speaker 1: every single one of them. Talk about Hollywood going off

2077
01:51:41,640 --> 01:51:45,960
Speaker 1: the cliff. It went here, and then all at once

2078
01:51:46,000 --> 01:51:46,960
Speaker 1: they all.

2079
01:51:46,840 --> 01:51:50,920
Speaker 2: Want right, Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. And this is

2080
01:51:50,920 --> 01:51:54,760
Speaker 2: why I'm always trying to encourage filmmakers. Were good for,

2081
01:51:54,880 --> 01:51:58,519
Speaker 2: you know, Deon Taylor to get involved with with us

2082
01:51:58,560 --> 01:52:01,360
Speaker 2: in the movement to use the these movies as stories.

2083
01:52:01,760 --> 01:52:04,559
Speaker 2: Because even if if we're going to tell the story

2084
01:52:04,600 --> 01:52:06,200
Speaker 2: and a lot of folks if y'all haven't go back

2085
01:52:06,200 --> 01:52:08,080
Speaker 2: and listen to my podcast that I did on Straw.

2086
01:52:08,520 --> 01:52:09,720
Speaker 2: You know a lot of people are set like, you know,

2087
01:52:09,720 --> 01:52:11,479
Speaker 2: you're always showing the down trying black women in the

2088
01:52:11,520 --> 01:52:14,000
Speaker 2: struggle with black women, and a lot of people I

2089
01:52:14,040 --> 01:52:15,559
Speaker 2: know is like I refuse to watch it. I'm like,

2090
01:52:15,840 --> 01:52:17,799
Speaker 2: I get it, but let me try to pull something

2091
01:52:17,840 --> 01:52:21,280
Speaker 2: from this. There were nine public policies and laws that

2092
01:52:21,360 --> 01:52:24,639
Speaker 2: I identified in that movie from the very beginning to the end,

2093
01:52:24,760 --> 01:52:27,920
Speaker 2: to change the outcome of ju Night. So if we

2094
01:52:28,000 --> 01:52:30,280
Speaker 2: are gonna watch that, we are gonna get continue to

2095
01:52:30,280 --> 01:52:32,720
Speaker 2: invest in that and tell those stories, which is important.

2096
01:52:33,080 --> 01:52:35,800
Speaker 2: What can we give the person to do besides be

2097
01:52:35,880 --> 01:52:38,720
Speaker 2: pissed off about it and actually do something about it.

2098
01:52:38,760 --> 01:52:41,120
Speaker 2: But to your point, I mean, to my point I

2099
01:52:41,160 --> 01:52:44,439
Speaker 2: want to make about how important television is. And I

2100
01:52:44,520 --> 01:52:47,280
Speaker 2: keep saying I'm gonna get off, but I really am.

2101
01:52:47,479 --> 01:52:50,360
Speaker 2: Thursday Night was mandatory watching in my house.

2102
01:52:50,520 --> 01:52:52,200
Speaker 1: Mandatory, it will manatory.

2103
01:52:52,400 --> 01:52:56,120
Speaker 2: My mother was very clear, you know Thursday Night. My

2104
01:52:56,120 --> 01:52:59,800
Speaker 2: stepfather was a dentist. My mother actually had mannerism, just

2105
01:53:00,120 --> 01:53:02,000
Speaker 2: Claire Huts. She always wanted to be an attorney, but

2106
01:53:02,000 --> 01:53:04,800
Speaker 2: she never went to law school. But literally had mannerism

2107
01:53:04,880 --> 01:53:08,960
Speaker 2: just like Claire Hosible. I had had to watch Gore

2108
01:53:09,040 --> 01:53:13,320
Speaker 2: to Pizza Hut meat Lovers every Thursday. When I got

2109
01:53:13,320 --> 01:53:15,320
Speaker 2: my first twenty dollars I made, I was so excited,

2110
01:53:15,400 --> 01:53:17,120
Speaker 2: I'll get to buy pizza this week. Those first thing

2111
01:53:17,160 --> 01:53:19,080
Speaker 2: I wanted to do was treat my family like, Okay,

2112
01:53:19,120 --> 01:53:21,280
Speaker 2: now I'm bringing something to the table.

2113
01:53:22,000 --> 01:53:23,439
Speaker 1: Can you just pause there for because I don't want

2114
01:53:23,479 --> 01:53:24,840
Speaker 1: you to jump over. I know you got to go through,

2115
01:53:24,960 --> 01:53:27,799
Speaker 1: but I just want I don't think people it's easy

2116
01:53:27,800 --> 01:53:31,960
Speaker 1: if you, hopefully everyone who's listening to you now can

2117
01:53:32,080 --> 01:53:36,559
Speaker 1: understand that you just described the moment within which one

2118
01:53:36,560 --> 01:53:39,320
Speaker 1: of your aspirations as a young woman was to be

2119
01:53:39,320 --> 01:53:42,880
Speaker 1: able to provide the pizza for the night that the

2120
01:53:42,920 --> 01:53:45,800
Speaker 1: family came together to celebrate blackness. Think about that for

2121
01:53:45,840 --> 01:53:48,320
Speaker 1: a second. That's a pretty big that's a pretty heady

2122
01:53:48,360 --> 01:53:53,280
Speaker 1: notion and character travels, and here you are the same

2123
01:53:53,320 --> 01:53:56,200
Speaker 1: person doing those types of things for our community, but

2124
01:53:56,320 --> 01:54:01,000
Speaker 1: that your family baked into your life this moment. And

2125
01:54:02,040 --> 01:54:05,960
Speaker 1: we can say what we want about media not being

2126
01:54:06,040 --> 01:54:09,240
Speaker 1: important to the way we see ourselves. I got a

2127
01:54:09,280 --> 01:54:14,720
Speaker 1: text today. I texted Chuck d who is like, I'm

2128
01:54:14,760 --> 01:54:18,519
Speaker 1: embarrassed by how much he matters to me, Like I'm

2129
01:54:18,560 --> 01:54:24,320
Speaker 1: embarrassed by how much he really He just means, if

2130
01:54:24,360 --> 01:54:26,400
Speaker 1: you knew how much Fear of a Black Planet was

2131
01:54:26,439 --> 01:54:28,719
Speaker 1: playing in my head, like if you knew how often

2132
01:54:28,840 --> 01:54:31,599
Speaker 1: the entire CD is playing in my head like that?

2133
01:54:31,640 --> 01:54:34,200
Speaker 1: What is wrong with you? Obsessed with with what he

2134
01:54:34,280 --> 01:54:37,120
Speaker 1: did during the time when my brain was forming. So

2135
01:54:37,200 --> 01:54:39,680
Speaker 1: I think now where our kids' brains are forming, and

2136
01:54:39,680 --> 01:54:41,720
Speaker 1: what they're listening to and what they're seeing and what

2137
01:54:41,760 --> 01:54:44,880
Speaker 1: they considered to be I felt like it was my

2138
01:54:45,000 --> 01:54:51,360
Speaker 1: obligation to go to school during that time because these dudes,

2139
01:54:52,040 --> 01:54:55,920
Speaker 1: you know run DMC went to Saint John's University. I mean,

2140
01:54:56,640 --> 01:54:59,480
Speaker 1: since kindergarten applied to knowledge and a first twelfth grade

2141
01:54:59,480 --> 01:55:00,480
Speaker 1: I went straight to college.

2142
01:55:02,200 --> 01:55:04,840
Speaker 2: And let me let me speak to that because it's

2143
01:55:04,880 --> 01:55:06,680
Speaker 2: an interesting point you make up and to the sister

2144
01:55:06,680 --> 01:55:08,360
Speaker 2: that says she wants you to repeat a school type

2145
01:55:08,360 --> 01:55:11,520
Speaker 2: that up again so he can answer your question. Uh

2146
01:55:12,800 --> 01:55:16,560
Speaker 2: one I want to say before I forget about the

2147
01:55:16,600 --> 01:55:19,240
Speaker 2: importance of television and why it was so important to

2148
01:55:19,320 --> 01:55:21,280
Speaker 2: my mother or other was real big in words and

2149
01:55:21,360 --> 01:55:22,920
Speaker 2: kind of going back to when we say, you know,

2150
01:55:22,960 --> 01:55:25,640
Speaker 2: people saying you're dumb and you can't do it. I

2151
01:55:25,680 --> 01:55:28,120
Speaker 2: could not watch the watch Sanford and Son, you know,

2152
01:55:28,200 --> 01:55:31,120
Speaker 2: for that reason. Although you know, Red Fox is celebrated

2153
01:55:31,200 --> 01:55:33,040
Speaker 2: up one of you know, the best comedians of our time.

2154
01:55:33,400 --> 01:55:37,320
Speaker 2: My mother was really serious about She did not like

2155
01:55:37,440 --> 01:55:40,440
Speaker 2: a black man telling his son he son, he was dumb.

2156
01:55:40,920 --> 01:55:42,920
Speaker 2: She did not like big dummy, even if it was

2157
01:55:42,920 --> 01:55:46,160
Speaker 2: in jest, she just didn't like it. She also was

2158
01:55:46,200 --> 01:55:47,880
Speaker 2: not a fan of Good Times, and people say, why,

2159
01:55:47,920 --> 01:55:50,000
Speaker 2: you know, James was a good daddy. She won a

2160
01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:52,560
Speaker 2: fan of Good Times for the same reason Jane John

2161
01:55:53,800 --> 01:55:56,920
Speaker 2: i'm amos was not. The same reason the real characters

2162
01:55:57,160 --> 01:55:58,520
Speaker 2: had a problem with Good Times.

2163
01:56:00,440 --> 01:56:03,080
Speaker 1: They were literally written by white people, literally written by

2164
01:56:03,320 --> 01:56:05,160
Speaker 1: like literally written by white people.

2165
01:56:05,240 --> 01:56:09,200
Speaker 2: The characters literally Yeah, but you say, well, why she

2166
01:56:09,280 --> 01:56:11,520
Speaker 2: don't like it? The same reason why they why John

2167
01:56:11,640 --> 01:56:14,040
Speaker 2: left the show. She wanted to know when was the

2168
01:56:14,080 --> 01:56:17,160
Speaker 2: next step? I could I ever watch the Jeffersons because

2169
01:56:17,160 --> 01:56:23,320
Speaker 2: she leave an entrepreneurship and she wasn't Yeah, she wasn't

2170
01:56:23,320 --> 01:56:26,840
Speaker 2: putting anybody down. She just understood the importance of what

2171
01:56:27,000 --> 01:56:28,680
Speaker 2: is the next step. But I want to say this,

2172
01:56:28,800 --> 01:56:31,040
Speaker 2: especially for those of y'all to keep saying, you know,

2173
01:56:31,120 --> 01:56:34,120
Speaker 2: gett an entrepreneurship, getting on newship. And I was telling

2174
01:56:34,120 --> 01:56:36,280
Speaker 2: this to Ebony because we were talking about you know

2175
01:56:36,480 --> 01:56:37,880
Speaker 2: when kids say, you know, I want to take a

2176
01:56:37,960 --> 01:56:39,880
Speaker 2: year off and you know, let me go do X,

2177
01:56:39,960 --> 01:56:41,880
Speaker 2: y Z and then I'll go back to college. And

2178
01:56:41,920 --> 01:56:46,720
Speaker 2: I said that was my mistake because I was always

2179
01:56:46,960 --> 01:56:51,080
Speaker 2: entrepreneur driven, you know, I was excited to be able

2180
01:56:51,120 --> 01:56:53,000
Speaker 2: to because for me, it was security. It was never

2181
01:56:53,880 --> 01:56:56,520
Speaker 2: money like buying things and I don't buy things now.

2182
01:56:56,560 --> 01:56:59,320
Speaker 2: It was always being able to be the one, you know,

2183
01:56:59,400 --> 01:57:04,360
Speaker 2: to provide security and me being more interested in that.

2184
01:57:04,440 --> 01:57:06,360
Speaker 2: Because my mother all those she did all those things,

2185
01:57:06,560 --> 01:57:08,760
Speaker 2: she didn't push me to go to college, even though

2186
01:57:08,800 --> 01:57:11,840
Speaker 2: she went to Oklahoma State and stopped. She didn't say

2187
01:57:12,120 --> 01:57:14,240
Speaker 2: college or else. She was kind of like, well, don't

2188
01:57:14,320 --> 01:57:17,480
Speaker 2: do whatever whatever you want to do. So I said, well,

2189
01:57:17,600 --> 01:57:19,720
Speaker 2: I want to have I want to pay my car payment,

2190
01:57:19,760 --> 01:57:22,600
Speaker 2: I want my own apartment. I'll go to the military,

2191
01:57:22,680 --> 01:57:25,040
Speaker 2: I'll take three hours at a time. Took me almost

2192
01:57:25,080 --> 01:57:28,360
Speaker 2: twenty years, Doctor Perry, with on and off, because once

2193
01:57:28,560 --> 01:57:32,680
Speaker 2: life started, you know, once I got the house and

2194
01:57:32,720 --> 01:57:34,760
Speaker 2: once I got this and once I got that, it

2195
01:57:34,880 --> 01:57:39,840
Speaker 2: took me forever started stopping, starting, stopping, starting, stopping to

2196
01:57:40,000 --> 01:57:43,320
Speaker 2: complete the degree. So I tell parents, even if it's

2197
01:57:43,320 --> 01:57:47,120
Speaker 2: something else they want to do, let let them get

2198
01:57:47,120 --> 01:57:50,600
Speaker 2: that first. You've always got time to do the other thing.

2199
01:57:50,680 --> 01:57:56,800
Speaker 2: You got to entrepreneur, you got time to do whatever

2200
01:57:56,840 --> 01:57:59,680
Speaker 2: you want to do. You got time to start fifteen businesses.

2201
01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:03,120
Speaker 2: Go ahead and get that under your belt, because when

2202
01:58:03,160 --> 01:58:06,680
Speaker 2: you do it the other way, it is so hard

2203
01:58:06,920 --> 01:58:09,400
Speaker 2: to put life in the middle of that, and you

2204
01:58:09,560 --> 01:58:12,280
Speaker 2: end up going online or not getting the full experience.

2205
01:58:12,800 --> 01:58:14,760
Speaker 2: I was in tears of day, just so excited to

2206
01:58:14,800 --> 01:58:17,680
Speaker 2: watch my baby, like, Wow, she gets the full experience.

2207
01:58:17,760 --> 01:58:20,120
Speaker 2: She really does get the different worlds. She really does

2208
01:58:20,480 --> 01:58:23,200
Speaker 2: get to go to the dorm and live that experience

2209
01:58:23,240 --> 01:58:24,760
Speaker 2: and not have to try to figure out how she's

2210
01:58:24,760 --> 01:58:26,920
Speaker 2: gonna pay this and pay that, because that was what

2211
01:58:27,000 --> 01:58:28,560
Speaker 2: my assertation was. I'm like, well, I don't want to

2212
01:58:28,560 --> 01:58:30,080
Speaker 2: give up my car. It wasn't that I had a

2213
01:58:30,120 --> 01:58:32,360
Speaker 2: baby or kid or none of that. I just di

2214
01:58:32,600 --> 01:58:34,320
Speaker 2: I was like, hell, am I gonna pay my car

2215
01:58:34,440 --> 01:58:36,040
Speaker 2: not and still go to the door.

2216
01:58:36,400 --> 01:58:39,760
Speaker 1: It just wasn't feasible to me, And that's what so many,

2217
01:58:41,240 --> 01:58:45,280
Speaker 1: so many young people fall into that same track. And

2218
01:58:45,320 --> 01:58:48,040
Speaker 1: this is what. It's a real simple trap. They started

2219
01:58:48,120 --> 01:58:51,960
Speaker 1: school and then what happens is they have a tough

2220
01:58:52,000 --> 01:58:56,680
Speaker 1: semester or two, usually a tough semester, and they decide, well,

2221
01:58:56,720 --> 01:58:58,320
Speaker 1: you know what, let me get a job. And they

2222
01:58:58,320 --> 01:59:01,440
Speaker 1: get a job doing something that is into taxing. Maybe

2223
01:59:01,440 --> 01:59:03,240
Speaker 1: they work in a bank as a teller or something

2224
01:59:03,280 --> 01:59:07,360
Speaker 1: like that. And then yeah, and then and then someone says, well,

2225
01:59:07,360 --> 01:59:09,200
Speaker 1: you gotta I'm not gonna keep driving you back and

2226
01:59:09,240 --> 01:59:11,880
Speaker 1: forth to the thing. You gotta get a car. So

2227
01:59:11,960 --> 01:59:14,240
Speaker 1: you get a car. So you're save enough to get

2228
01:59:14,280 --> 01:59:17,120
Speaker 1: a car. Now you got a car, you feel like

2229
01:59:17,160 --> 01:59:19,160
Speaker 1: you're an adult. And then you hang out kind of

2230
01:59:19,200 --> 01:59:22,480
Speaker 1: like an adult. So that requires money, and then you

2231
01:59:22,480 --> 01:59:24,800
Speaker 1: you you get caught up, and maybe you get an apartment.

2232
01:59:25,240 --> 01:59:27,880
Speaker 1: What happens is now you gotta pay Now you gotta

2233
01:59:27,920 --> 01:59:30,840
Speaker 1: work enough to pay that, and on and on and what.

2234
01:59:31,120 --> 01:59:36,600
Speaker 1: And the difference is if you're around people who are

2235
01:59:36,640 --> 01:59:41,920
Speaker 1: working to live, then you will take on the same

2236
01:59:42,000 --> 01:59:44,880
Speaker 1: schedule that they do. It's it's not as it's not

2237
01:59:44,960 --> 01:59:48,320
Speaker 1: as egregious as it seems. It really is. And you know,

2238
01:59:48,360 --> 01:59:50,920
Speaker 1: someone I'm thinking of right now who family member I

2239
01:59:50,960 --> 01:59:52,880
Speaker 1: love very dearly. And she's watching she don't know what

2240
01:59:52,920 --> 01:59:59,840
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. She's watching her cousins finish up, and yeah,

2241
02:00:00,040 --> 02:00:03,800
Speaker 1: she's got a car, and you know she's got you know,

2242
02:00:04,280 --> 02:00:06,640
Speaker 1: look like they get a little boyfriend's situation. So you

2243
02:00:06,840 --> 02:00:10,000
Speaker 1: feel like you've gotten it. Now. Understanding is you have

2244
02:00:10,080 --> 02:00:13,520
Speaker 1: no idea what you're missing, right And then then and

2245
02:00:13,600 --> 02:00:16,080
Speaker 1: when they're twenty and twenty one years old and they're

2246
02:00:16,120 --> 02:00:18,800
Speaker 1: done with college and you're twenty and twenty one years

2247
02:00:18,800 --> 02:00:21,880
Speaker 1: old and you got twelve credits, you're thinking, Jesus Christ, Yeah,

2248
02:00:22,200 --> 02:00:25,919
Speaker 1: I'm ninety something credits away from graduating, Like I'm literally

2249
02:00:26,000 --> 02:00:30,520
Speaker 1: off one hundred get eighteen yep, and you get caught.

2250
02:00:30,280 --> 02:00:32,080
Speaker 2: Up in the income of it all. That's why keep

2251
02:00:32,120 --> 02:00:35,480
Speaker 2: telling people it's not about the twenty three years old,

2252
02:00:36,080 --> 02:00:38,440
Speaker 2: bought up first house, built up first house. I was

2253
02:00:38,480 --> 02:00:41,160
Speaker 2: going to college, thankfully because I was married, I didn't

2254
02:00:41,160 --> 02:00:42,480
Speaker 2: have any children. That was the first time I was

2255
02:00:42,520 --> 02:00:45,840
Speaker 2: actually able to go to community college and just work

2256
02:00:46,080 --> 02:00:48,800
Speaker 2: twenty thirty hours a week because my husband actually was

2257
02:00:48,800 --> 02:00:51,080
Speaker 2: a provider and I didn't have any children, and I

2258
02:00:51,160 --> 02:00:54,120
Speaker 2: got the bulk of my degree done while I was

2259
02:00:54,200 --> 02:00:58,240
Speaker 2: married because I had a supportive husband that allowed that,

2260
02:00:58,480 --> 02:01:01,240
Speaker 2: and I didn't know just rare which is rare.

2261
02:01:01,280 --> 02:01:03,600
Speaker 1: I did not both of what you're rare, right, both

2262
02:01:03,640 --> 02:01:04,240
Speaker 1: of which you're rare.

2263
02:01:04,480 --> 02:01:08,480
Speaker 2: Correct. But when we got a divorce the second half

2264
02:01:08,560 --> 02:01:12,360
Speaker 2: half of the sixty hours, that's when the child challenge

2265
02:01:12,400 --> 02:01:15,760
Speaker 2: came in because now I'm working full time with a

2266
02:01:15,880 --> 02:01:18,760
Speaker 2: very present father of my child, by the way, who

2267
02:01:18,800 --> 02:01:21,160
Speaker 2: only has one child who This was not some baby

2268
02:01:21,200 --> 02:01:24,080
Speaker 2: daddy story. This was a we waited seven years before

2269
02:01:24,080 --> 02:01:26,680
Speaker 2: we had Jada. We had her in wedlocked the marriage

2270
02:01:26,720 --> 02:01:30,040
Speaker 2: in workout. Sometimes it happens very present with her. But

2271
02:01:30,160 --> 02:01:33,200
Speaker 2: he moved and relocated to another city's job, sent himself

2272
02:01:33,200 --> 02:01:36,440
Speaker 2: a city. So I was doing the heavy lifting, and

2273
02:01:36,520 --> 02:01:39,400
Speaker 2: that's where the taking three hours here then stopped and

2274
02:01:39,520 --> 02:01:44,200
Speaker 2: then started. So then they put a big fee on

2275
02:01:44,240 --> 02:01:45,760
Speaker 2: you where now you got to pay this to get

2276
02:01:45,760 --> 02:01:47,760
Speaker 2: back it because if you don't finish the twelve hours

2277
02:01:47,760 --> 02:01:49,800
Speaker 2: in the middle of the semester, you drop out because

2278
02:01:49,800 --> 02:01:52,880
Speaker 2: you say, hey, you know I'm not doing well. So

2279
02:01:53,080 --> 02:01:55,560
Speaker 2: rather than getting this f let me drop out. Then

2280
02:01:55,600 --> 02:01:56,960
Speaker 2: the school. Do you know how many times I had

2281
02:01:56,960 --> 02:02:00,720
Speaker 2: to pay that fee just to get back in to result,

2282
02:02:00,800 --> 02:02:03,200
Speaker 2: you know, to continue to pick up where I left off.

2283
02:02:03,520 --> 02:02:07,480
Speaker 2: That last sixty hours was the hardest sixty hours that

2284
02:02:07,560 --> 02:02:11,200
Speaker 2: in my I did. I did I have important? I

2285
02:02:11,240 --> 02:02:13,920
Speaker 2: did not get it in the beginning because I was

2286
02:02:13,960 --> 02:02:17,560
Speaker 2: attracted to the income I was making money saff at

2287
02:02:17,600 --> 02:02:19,840
Speaker 2: that time, you know, being twenty one years old. Hey,

2288
02:02:20,000 --> 02:02:22,920
Speaker 2: I'm out the military. I'm making one thousand a year.

2289
02:02:23,360 --> 02:02:24,000
Speaker 1: Degree for what.

2290
02:02:24,200 --> 02:02:26,360
Speaker 2: I was the same of what y'all talk about, degree

2291
02:02:26,440 --> 02:02:29,480
Speaker 2: for what. But looking back, and I don't regret how

2292
02:02:29,560 --> 02:02:32,280
Speaker 2: I got it, because that's the key docuentary. I still

2293
02:02:32,320 --> 02:02:35,000
Speaker 2: win and got it. See, these people are saying you

2294
02:02:35,040 --> 02:02:36,240
Speaker 2: don't need it and don't.

2295
02:02:36,000 --> 02:02:37,879
Speaker 1: Ever go back and get it because they don't understand

2296
02:02:37,880 --> 02:02:40,720
Speaker 1: what the other side is, right, because.

2297
02:02:40,480 --> 02:02:42,839
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna be working to pay bills the rest

2298
02:02:42,880 --> 02:02:46,560
Speaker 2: of my life without having another option. And now at

2299
02:02:46,560 --> 02:02:50,560
Speaker 2: this big age, Now at this big age, I can

2300
02:02:50,640 --> 02:02:53,920
Speaker 2: say I have all that experience, all the entrepreneur and

2301
02:02:54,200 --> 02:02:56,400
Speaker 2: the degree. So if I don't want to keep having

2302
02:02:56,440 --> 02:02:58,240
Speaker 2: a hustle, but I don't want to keep having the

2303
02:02:58,320 --> 02:02:59,480
Speaker 2: sale off, but don't keep.

2304
02:02:59,480 --> 02:03:02,520
Speaker 1: I just go and be done. The other side, the

2305
02:03:02,560 --> 02:03:04,720
Speaker 1: other side of is this, the other side of is this?

2306
02:03:05,200 --> 02:03:09,440
Speaker 1: It's really simple a twenty one year old with a

2307
02:03:09,480 --> 02:03:13,840
Speaker 1: degree versus a twenty one year old without a degree. Thanks,

2308
02:03:14,600 --> 02:03:18,600
Speaker 1: you start taking a look at how the separation starts

2309
02:03:18,600 --> 02:03:22,760
Speaker 1: to happen. Separation starts to happen when you're thirty years

2310
02:03:22,800 --> 02:03:26,480
Speaker 1: old and you're working at FedEx and a twenty one

2311
02:03:26,560 --> 02:03:29,800
Speaker 1: year old comes in with just a bachelor's and she

2312
02:03:29,960 --> 02:03:33,400
Speaker 1: makes at least what you make. So you are tripping

2313
02:03:33,600 --> 02:03:38,760
Speaker 1: because you think she works at FedEx, I work at FedEx. No, homeboy, see,

2314
02:03:38,800 --> 02:03:43,360
Speaker 1: and that at four years has cut twelve years of

2315
02:03:43,680 --> 02:03:47,320
Speaker 1: hard labor off of her back. So it took you

2316
02:03:47,440 --> 02:03:51,120
Speaker 1: twelve years to get to she got to and four

2317
02:03:51,800 --> 02:03:55,520
Speaker 1: Now all she's got a flat streets and green lights,

2318
02:03:55,760 --> 02:03:58,800
Speaker 1: so she is virtually where you are and you've been

2319
02:03:58,840 --> 02:04:00,560
Speaker 1: there all this time. And you say, yeah, but she's

2320
02:04:00,560 --> 02:04:03,480
Speaker 1: got two loans. Oh no, no, no, don't do that to yourself.

2321
02:04:03,920 --> 02:04:09,520
Speaker 1: You got car loans, you have you pay a rent,

2322
02:04:09,960 --> 02:04:12,520
Speaker 1: You pay rent because you probably don't own a house

2323
02:04:12,560 --> 02:04:16,120
Speaker 1: at that point. Now she's gonna close on you. So

2324
02:04:16,160 --> 02:04:18,040
Speaker 1: when you want to go buy a house, because y'all

2325
02:04:18,040 --> 02:04:20,480
Speaker 1: now make virtually the same amount of money. She's twenty one,

2326
02:04:20,800 --> 02:04:23,840
Speaker 1: you thirty something, and you make most basically the same

2327
02:04:23,880 --> 02:04:26,240
Speaker 1: amount of money. Then what Here's what happens is you

2328
02:04:26,320 --> 02:04:28,720
Speaker 1: go to the bank and you say I want to

2329
02:04:28,720 --> 02:04:31,000
Speaker 1: get a loan, and they look at your work history

2330
02:04:31,080 --> 02:04:34,920
Speaker 1: and they think, okay, cool. They look at her college degree,

2331
02:04:35,640 --> 02:04:38,800
Speaker 1: twelve twelve to fourteen months of work, and she has

2332
02:04:38,960 --> 02:04:42,920
Speaker 1: as much credit solvency as you do, if not more,

2333
02:04:43,000 --> 02:04:45,200
Speaker 1: because you may have missed a car note, you may

2334
02:04:45,200 --> 02:04:48,080
Speaker 1: have missed some other things. So now she and you

2335
02:04:48,240 --> 02:04:50,520
Speaker 1: are in the same place and she's closing in on

2336
02:04:50,560 --> 02:04:54,160
Speaker 1: you real fast. Then all she's got to do is

2337
02:04:54,200 --> 02:04:56,880
Speaker 1: get into that master's program online, get that joint in

2338
02:04:56,920 --> 02:05:00,440
Speaker 1: sixteen months. And she's not she's not just your boss,

2339
02:05:00,880 --> 02:05:04,880
Speaker 1: she's your sector's boss. And now you were for a

2340
02:05:04,960 --> 02:05:07,240
Speaker 1: twenty five year old and your bitch ass and sitting

2341
02:05:07,280 --> 02:05:09,160
Speaker 1: there talking about she ain't as smart as she thinks

2342
02:05:09,160 --> 02:05:11,040
Speaker 1: she is and she don't know. And I've been here

2343
02:05:11,080 --> 02:05:13,440
Speaker 1: all this time. You're right, you have been. But the

2344
02:05:13,520 --> 02:05:15,840
Speaker 1: company believes in her more than they do you because

2345
02:05:15,880 --> 02:05:18,640
Speaker 1: they put feel like she put time into her practice.

2346
02:05:18,680 --> 02:05:20,760
Speaker 1: They feel like she she did what she needed to

2347
02:05:20,800 --> 02:05:25,080
Speaker 1: do so dollar for dollars, she's quught you and she's

2348
02:05:25,240 --> 02:05:28,120
Speaker 1: past you. What you gonna do now? Bruh?

2349
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Speaker 2: Who can I say? That also applies in the military,

2350
02:05:32,800 --> 02:05:35,160
Speaker 2: and and that's where the bitterness comes in as well.

2351
02:05:35,240 --> 02:05:38,800
Speaker 2: And I and I can tell you as as enlisted

2352
02:05:38,800 --> 02:05:40,960
Speaker 2: for those of y'all who don't know, when you get

2353
02:05:41,000 --> 02:05:45,640
Speaker 2: a college degree first before going into the military, you

2354
02:05:45,680 --> 02:05:47,320
Speaker 2: are automatically in office.

2355
02:05:47,960 --> 02:05:49,680
Speaker 1: You'id you you're it.

2356
02:05:50,400 --> 02:05:53,640
Speaker 2: All the enlisted and enlisted people look at we look

2357
02:05:53,680 --> 02:05:56,360
Speaker 2: at the real side out like you don't have to,

2358
02:05:56,360 --> 02:05:58,320
Speaker 2: because even in basic training, they don't talk to them

2359
02:05:58,360 --> 02:06:00,320
Speaker 2: the way they talk to us. They don't. It is

2360
02:06:00,400 --> 02:06:03,040
Speaker 2: like dirt. They don't look at the officer gets to

2361
02:06:03,040 --> 02:06:05,560
Speaker 2: come in and bypass. And yeah, you feel away, much

2362
02:06:05,680 --> 02:06:07,280
Speaker 2: like people in the comments, because that's what that is.

2363
02:06:07,320 --> 02:06:09,240
Speaker 2: You feel away where you're like, well, damn, he didn't

2364
02:06:09,240 --> 02:06:10,600
Speaker 2: have to do it. I had to do it. Don't

2365
02:06:10,600 --> 02:06:13,400
Speaker 2: nobody respect that because you didn't come the rights, which

2366
02:06:13,520 --> 02:06:15,280
Speaker 2: is true, you didn't come through the river, but the

2367
02:06:15,320 --> 02:06:17,040
Speaker 2: officer sudden back. But why you didn't get it the

2368
02:06:17,040 --> 02:06:19,600
Speaker 2: way I got Because I got it. I got it

2369
02:06:19,640 --> 02:06:22,200
Speaker 2: the smarter way. If I'm gonna be in the military.

2370
02:06:22,280 --> 02:06:24,560
Speaker 2: I'm gonna come in at the highest pate with the

2371
02:06:24,560 --> 02:06:28,520
Speaker 2: most respect, with stars on my on my sleeve because

2372
02:06:28,720 --> 02:06:31,240
Speaker 2: I went and got the degree first. That's a fact.

2373
02:06:31,480 --> 02:06:33,640
Speaker 2: So people don't have to lie. And that degree may

2374
02:06:33,680 --> 02:06:35,960
Speaker 2: not do anything more than, like you said, than what

2375
02:06:36,040 --> 02:06:39,720
Speaker 2: I know. But there's something about completing a major task

2376
02:06:40,720 --> 02:06:43,960
Speaker 2: that gets a benefit than others, which is why white

2377
02:06:43,960 --> 02:06:47,520
Speaker 2: people keep telling y'all the white supremacy talking points, keep saying.

2378
02:06:47,600 --> 02:06:50,160
Speaker 1: Don't worry a degree, need a degree. You don't need

2379
02:06:50,160 --> 02:06:54,920
Speaker 1: a degree, and and and and employ an entire school

2380
02:06:55,000 --> 02:06:57,040
Speaker 1: system to commitce you that you don't need one. Right,

2381
02:06:57,080 --> 02:06:58,920
Speaker 1: you don't need it, don't worry about it, don't worry

2382
02:06:58,960 --> 02:07:01,960
Speaker 1: about it. And now that putting in place, now some

2383
02:07:02,040 --> 02:07:05,520
Speaker 1: of y'all's president as you thinking we need more trades.

2384
02:07:06,200 --> 02:07:09,840
Speaker 1: His kid goes to NYU. He's all jacked up. He's

2385
02:07:09,880 --> 02:07:13,680
Speaker 1: all jacked up because these other schools didn't accept his kid,

2386
02:07:13,880 --> 02:07:16,720
Speaker 1: so he's going after them with full barrels.

2387
02:07:17,320 --> 02:07:17,440
Speaker 2: Come.

2388
02:07:17,560 --> 02:07:21,280
Speaker 1: None of his kids are doing trades. Just talk of none.

2389
02:07:21,880 --> 02:07:23,720
Speaker 1: I bet you Baron can't change the light bulb.

2390
02:07:24,120 --> 02:07:28,840
Speaker 2: And why and if it's all about trades, why did

2391
02:07:28,880 --> 02:07:33,600
Speaker 2: he just pass administer past policy? That one changed the

2392
02:07:33,640 --> 02:07:37,600
Speaker 2: student loan payment program. Do y'all know it went from

2393
02:07:37,760 --> 02:07:41,400
Speaker 2: twelve options to pay loans back to now only two.

2394
02:07:42,440 --> 02:07:46,920
Speaker 2: Let me say it again, twelve options. I'm saying, hey,

2395
02:07:47,120 --> 02:07:48,560
Speaker 2: I can't pay it this way, but I can pay

2396
02:07:48,600 --> 02:07:51,320
Speaker 2: it that way, to now only two. And then in

2397
02:07:51,360 --> 02:07:54,440
Speaker 2: addition to that, the direct plus loan, which is for

2398
02:07:54,880 --> 02:07:59,960
Speaker 2: graduate degrees, professional degrees, pass your undergraduate they have now

2399
02:08:00,680 --> 02:08:01,320
Speaker 2: reduce that.

2400
02:08:01,960 --> 02:08:02,480
Speaker 1: So they have.

2401
02:08:02,600 --> 02:08:05,280
Speaker 2: Literally closed the door or something they say y'all don't need.

2402
02:08:05,360 --> 02:08:08,880
Speaker 2: Now they have closed the door with access to pay

2403
02:08:08,960 --> 02:08:11,120
Speaker 2: for it. They have closed the door on a firm

2404
02:08:11,240 --> 02:08:12,880
Speaker 2: when I applied for law school, when I went in

2405
02:08:12,960 --> 02:08:14,960
Speaker 2: for my because this happened, I need to even know.

2406
02:08:15,000 --> 02:08:17,160
Speaker 2: This happened this year in real time, when I went

2407
02:08:17,200 --> 02:08:20,800
Speaker 2: in and my application one day said list your race.

2408
02:08:21,280 --> 02:08:24,000
Speaker 2: The next day was completely gone, doctor Perry, completely.

2409
02:08:23,600 --> 02:08:25,800
Speaker 1: Do Let me say that for a second. Let me

2410
02:08:25,840 --> 02:08:30,440
Speaker 1: say that for a second. I need people to really

2411
02:08:30,520 --> 02:08:33,920
Speaker 1: understand what you just said, and I really need them

2412
02:08:33,920 --> 02:08:36,040
Speaker 1: to let to sit on their hearts for a second.

2413
02:08:37,040 --> 02:08:41,000
Speaker 1: If you hear nothing else from this conversation, I need

2414
02:08:41,040 --> 02:08:46,480
Speaker 1: you to hear this. The fact that many eight people

2415
02:08:46,480 --> 02:08:49,000
Speaker 1: who are in power who happen to be white are

2416
02:08:49,120 --> 02:08:52,680
Speaker 1: telling you that you don't need a degree should give

2417
02:08:52,680 --> 02:08:55,040
Speaker 1: you the indication that you might actually need it.

2418
02:08:55,120 --> 02:08:57,080
Speaker 2: Do they know that the fact that white people are

2419
02:08:57,080 --> 02:08:59,880
Speaker 2: Do they think that's just their own self assessment.

2420
02:08:59,440 --> 02:09:01,120
Speaker 1: Or are these both?

2421
02:09:01,560 --> 02:09:03,040
Speaker 2: How are they getting that message?

2422
02:09:03,240 --> 02:09:05,280
Speaker 1: And I think it shot shot. It started with a

2423
02:09:05,280 --> 02:09:07,200
Speaker 1: system that told them that they that they don't need it,

2424
02:09:07,520 --> 02:09:09,320
Speaker 1: and then they then they began to believe it themselves.

2425
02:09:09,320 --> 02:09:11,720
Speaker 1: But let me just take this one step further. The

2426
02:09:12,040 --> 02:09:15,879
Speaker 1: creation of what we refer to as the middle class

2427
02:09:16,080 --> 02:09:19,440
Speaker 1: in the United States of America as well as the suburbs,

2428
02:09:20,080 --> 02:09:24,040
Speaker 1: is born out of the g I Bill, the GI

2429
02:09:24,160 --> 02:09:29,800
Speaker 1: Bill where mostly white men went to college for free

2430
02:09:30,440 --> 02:09:36,240
Speaker 1: and they created generational wealth. What you think of Warren

2431
02:09:36,320 --> 02:09:39,600
Speaker 1: and Jude Cleaver, when you think of the Brady Bunch,

2432
02:09:39,840 --> 02:09:45,600
Speaker 1: all of those TV images, those guys I dream a

2433
02:09:45,680 --> 02:09:49,240
Speaker 1: genie all went to school on what would have been

2434
02:09:49,240 --> 02:09:53,760
Speaker 1: the GI Bill, and they created all sorts of generational

2435
02:09:53,800 --> 02:09:58,920
Speaker 1: wealth that exists today. Chances are the people who live

2436
02:09:58,960 --> 02:10:03,240
Speaker 1: in your mixed this neighborhood got their homes because the

2437
02:10:03,400 --> 02:10:07,800
Speaker 1: banks were giving loans to GI's who they knew had

2438
02:10:07,880 --> 02:10:13,040
Speaker 1: degrees and solid careers. So they set up entire generations

2439
02:10:13,080 --> 02:10:18,480
Speaker 1: to today just by going to school for free because

2440
02:10:18,520 --> 02:10:24,080
Speaker 1: the government gave them that. Now, the same government recognized

2441
02:10:24,120 --> 02:10:30,600
Speaker 1: that black women are the single largest most educated demographic

2442
02:10:30,800 --> 02:10:33,520
Speaker 1: in the United States of America. That is a fact.

2443
02:10:34,400 --> 02:10:37,040
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, the pathways that we used to

2444
02:10:37,200 --> 02:10:42,920
Speaker 1: use to get into college are being closed. The door

2445
02:10:43,120 --> 02:10:48,720
Speaker 1: is being closed to college. Why if the if the

2446
02:10:48,800 --> 02:10:51,680
Speaker 1: power structure wasn't threatened by it, then they would open

2447
02:10:51,760 --> 02:10:55,120
Speaker 1: the door. But what door are they opening. They're opening

2448
02:10:55,160 --> 02:10:57,800
Speaker 1: it to the trades and not really opening it to

2449
02:10:57,840 --> 02:11:00,680
Speaker 1: the trades. What they're doing is they're setting saying you

2450
02:11:00,760 --> 02:11:02,720
Speaker 1: should go to the trades. We're not gonna pay for

2451
02:11:02,760 --> 02:11:04,600
Speaker 1: you to go to the trades. We're not gonna pay

2452
02:11:04,640 --> 02:11:07,000
Speaker 1: for you to go to trades. In fact, we're gonna

2453
02:11:07,000 --> 02:11:09,400
Speaker 1: send any brown people from another country out of here

2454
02:11:09,400 --> 02:11:12,120
Speaker 1: who can do the trades, and we're not saying and

2455
02:11:12,160 --> 02:11:14,240
Speaker 1: in change for that, we're going to create an opportunity

2456
02:11:14,280 --> 02:11:19,000
Speaker 1: for you. They're saying that the single greatest route out,

2457
02:11:19,200 --> 02:11:22,720
Speaker 1: which is through college, we are shutting it down. We're

2458
02:11:22,760 --> 02:11:25,880
Speaker 1: cutting back on subsidized loans, which means loans that the

2459
02:11:26,200 --> 02:11:29,280
Speaker 1: that the that the government will guarantee the banks will

2460
02:11:29,320 --> 02:11:31,800
Speaker 1: get paid, so the banks will give you a better

2461
02:11:31,920 --> 02:11:36,440
Speaker 1: rate on They're saying that they are going to cut

2462
02:11:36,520 --> 02:11:39,960
Speaker 1: down on their roots out. They gotta cleep down on

2463
02:11:40,000 --> 02:11:42,520
Speaker 1: your roots out. So if you don't hear anything else

2464
02:11:42,560 --> 02:11:44,840
Speaker 1: from this conversation, and your little feelings got hurt because

2465
02:11:44,840 --> 02:11:46,880
Speaker 1: you thought somebody said something because you're a barber or

2466
02:11:46,920 --> 02:11:49,600
Speaker 1: a hairdresser, or because you're that you saw somebody's talking

2467
02:11:49,640 --> 02:11:52,440
Speaker 1: down to you, I'll let you deal with inside yourself.

2468
02:11:52,880 --> 02:11:55,200
Speaker 1: I can't I can't do that for you. Well, here's

2469
02:11:55,200 --> 02:11:57,800
Speaker 1: what I can do for you. If the people in

2470
02:11:57,920 --> 02:12:00,560
Speaker 1: power are telling you that you don't don't need it,

2471
02:12:01,080 --> 02:12:03,720
Speaker 1: that's a hit for your ass. That is exactly what

2472
02:12:03,760 --> 02:12:05,800
Speaker 1: you need. It's exactly what you need.

2473
02:12:06,840 --> 02:12:11,760
Speaker 2: Right. Well, this was awesome. We went two hours. I'm

2474
02:12:11,760 --> 02:12:15,200
Speaker 2: gonna leave this live up also uploaded to the podcast

2475
02:12:15,200 --> 02:12:18,120
Speaker 2: because I just appreciate your time down to Pat we

2476
02:12:18,120 --> 02:12:22,600
Speaker 2: were at just so you guys know. This came again

2477
02:12:22,840 --> 02:12:24,880
Speaker 2: the post that I posted today. I went to a

2478
02:12:24,880 --> 02:12:28,200
Speaker 2: college orientation and again, because I'm always trying to expand

2479
02:12:28,240 --> 02:12:30,200
Speaker 2: the conversation, I don't. I don't ever want to just

2480
02:12:30,240 --> 02:12:33,040
Speaker 2: sit in the room and not ask why. I don't

2481
02:12:33,040 --> 02:12:35,400
Speaker 2: want to just sit there and look around and say

2482
02:12:35,840 --> 02:12:38,560
Speaker 2: why does this look like this? So I made a post.

2483
02:12:39,280 --> 02:12:41,960
Speaker 2: Doctor Perry, you know, hit me up. We were talking

2484
02:12:41,960 --> 02:12:43,840
Speaker 2: and talking about it all day. He was like, Tess,

2485
02:12:44,000 --> 02:12:46,440
Speaker 2: we gotta go live and talk about this, and I said, well,

2486
02:12:46,480 --> 02:12:49,120
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go home and study and waste more time

2487
02:12:49,160 --> 02:12:52,640
Speaker 2: studying the night since they say it's a waste of time.

2488
02:12:52,840 --> 02:12:55,520
Speaker 2: I said, because I gotta study. But then he said, okay,

2489
02:12:55,520 --> 02:12:57,840
Speaker 2: well let's do it another time. And then somebody kept

2490
02:12:57,840 --> 02:13:00,400
Speaker 2: going back and forth. I said, okay, we forget, let's

2491
02:13:00,440 --> 02:13:02,880
Speaker 2: just do it. Let's just get it done because this

2492
02:13:03,000 --> 02:13:05,320
Speaker 2: is very, very important and it's a conversation we have

2493
02:13:05,440 --> 02:13:08,320
Speaker 2: all the time behind the scenes. So thank you for

2494
02:13:08,440 --> 02:13:11,720
Speaker 2: lending your time and giving this knowledge. And I hope

2495
02:13:11,760 --> 02:13:15,040
Speaker 2: you guys found something out of this. Again, the moral

2496
02:13:15,080 --> 02:13:19,040
Speaker 2: to the story is for me, do it all while

2497
02:13:19,200 --> 02:13:22,280
Speaker 2: you can, get it all while you can, and if

2498
02:13:22,320 --> 02:13:26,120
Speaker 2: you can't do it, be honest enough to say it's

2499
02:13:26,120 --> 02:13:29,120
Speaker 2: not for me. You know that's not something I can do.

2500
02:13:29,680 --> 02:13:32,720
Speaker 2: But cousin so and so, if you go get that,

2501
02:13:33,360 --> 02:13:37,040
Speaker 2: or if you say you can't do it, ask yourself.

2502
02:13:37,080 --> 02:13:39,880
Speaker 2: I don't know, let me give it a try, because

2503
02:13:39,920 --> 02:13:42,240
Speaker 2: you saying that you can't do it might be a

2504
02:13:42,360 --> 02:13:46,520
Speaker 2: lie and a trip from the enemy. Don't just automatically

2505
02:13:46,560 --> 02:13:48,240
Speaker 2: think you can't do it now. Sometimes it's just not

2506
02:13:48,280 --> 02:13:48,720
Speaker 2: for people.

2507
02:13:48,880 --> 02:13:48,920
Speaker 1: Know.

2508
02:13:49,200 --> 02:13:51,160
Speaker 2: I get that you may not enjoy it. Some people

2509
02:13:51,200 --> 02:13:53,440
Speaker 2: just literally may not enjoy it. But I don't want

2510
02:13:53,480 --> 02:13:57,600
Speaker 2: you to count yourself out the program because this is

2511
02:13:58,000 --> 02:14:01,400
Speaker 2: absolutely a program. None of us a bigger than the program.

2512
02:14:01,880 --> 02:14:05,960
Speaker 2: Our community Black people, we need it all. We need

2513
02:14:06,000 --> 02:14:08,840
Speaker 2: it all. So let's just stop shitting on each other

2514
02:14:08,880 --> 02:14:12,120
Speaker 2: about what is better. Let's stop the end or let's

2515
02:14:12,160 --> 02:14:15,280
Speaker 2: stop believing that you can't go get it at thirty

2516
02:14:15,520 --> 02:14:19,320
Speaker 2: and thirty five and forty and forty five and fifty fifty.

2517
02:14:19,360 --> 02:14:21,880
Speaker 2: As long as God gives you air in your body,

2518
02:14:22,600 --> 02:14:25,520
Speaker 2: be open to learning something new, and it's not just

2519
02:14:25,560 --> 02:14:28,600
Speaker 2: by watching a YouTube video or this line. Be open

2520
02:14:28,720 --> 02:14:30,879
Speaker 2: to say, I'm gonna go sit my ass in somebody's

2521
02:14:30,920 --> 02:14:35,200
Speaker 2: classroom and be challenged to have the discipline and the

2522
02:14:35,240 --> 02:14:37,360
Speaker 2: piece of paper that y'all say don't matter, because that

2523
02:14:37,440 --> 02:14:39,960
Speaker 2: piece of paper is gonna get more and more value

2524
02:14:40,080 --> 02:14:42,520
Speaker 2: guys right now, and what we're talking about if they

2525
02:14:42,560 --> 02:14:44,560
Speaker 2: really it really really is. And I'll say this for

2526
02:14:44,600 --> 02:14:47,600
Speaker 2: people say, well, people with degrees got laid off. Guess what,

2527
02:14:47,800 --> 02:14:50,560
Speaker 2: there's some job they come for the jobs that don't

2528
02:14:50,560 --> 02:14:53,560
Speaker 2: have the degrees. See, this is the race to the box.

2529
02:14:54,000 --> 02:14:56,440
Speaker 2: So if you're laughing at them, for many of you,

2530
02:14:56,480 --> 02:14:59,360
Speaker 2: that took a lot of you really thought you were

2531
02:14:59,360 --> 02:15:01,920
Speaker 2: saying something about look at all those degree peeple, where

2532
02:15:01,920 --> 02:15:05,040
Speaker 2: they're gonna come be supervisors on your job. They're gonna

2533
02:15:05,080 --> 02:15:09,120
Speaker 2: come be the warehouse worker at your job. And guarantee,

2534
02:15:09,240 --> 02:15:13,480
Speaker 2: mister Charlie is going to take more or less. If

2535
02:15:13,520 --> 02:15:17,440
Speaker 2: I can have more or less, I'm gonna hire more.

2536
02:15:17,720 --> 02:15:20,440
Speaker 2: So what does that mean put you in the back

2537
02:15:20,480 --> 02:15:23,640
Speaker 2: of the line. So let's be careful on this degree.

2538
02:15:23,680 --> 02:15:26,360
Speaker 2: People don't have no job because they're coming for your job. Nick,

2539
02:15:26,720 --> 02:15:29,240
Speaker 2: this is a race to the bottom, guys. So let's

2540
02:15:29,240 --> 02:15:31,880
Speaker 2: so let's let's make sure we're checking the box all right.

2541
02:15:32,080 --> 02:15:34,839
Speaker 1: Just love you you take no care. Biels.

2542
02:15:35,200 --> 02:15:37,840
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2543
02:15:37,880 --> 02:15:40,400
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2544
02:15:40,440 --> 02:15:42,800
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