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<v Speaker 1>to the solid verbal. I'm that for me, I'm a man,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm forty.

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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<v Speaker 2>be happy. You want to be happy for day?

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<v Speaker 1>Edith State is that whoom whoom?

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<v Speaker 2>And then and Tye, welcome back to the Soliburbo boys

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<v Speaker 2>and girls. My name is ty hilde Rand joining me

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<v Speaker 2>as always over there in New York City.

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<v Speaker 1>My good friend, the man with the plan.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh don't know what else I can call him, but

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<v Speaker 2>Dan Rubertstein, sir, how are you?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm good?

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<v Speaker 2>I got my quarter mile time to an all time

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eighteen low today?

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<v Speaker 1>Whoa and great? Do you live your life a quarter

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<v Speaker 1>mile at a time?

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't phrase it any other way? Yes, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>do ty?

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<v Speaker 1>What are we down to now? Uh? Today? Was I

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<v Speaker 1>hit one thirty three? One thirty three? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>So it's six low six mile?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you look like a madman? Just sprint all out

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<v Speaker 2>sprinting in the middle of New York? But I feel

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<v Speaker 2>good about it?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you training for something specific like a relay RaSE

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<v Speaker 1>of some sort? No, what is not an ambition here?

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<v Speaker 2>My ambition is basically, I get very bored running, even

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<v Speaker 2>though I like listening to podcasts when I run, and

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<v Speaker 2>I've been reading more and more that distance running it's

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<v Speaker 2>just not that great for your joints and for anything.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm not getting younger.

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<v Speaker 1>Tie. I hope that's not a misnomer.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've also read that you know, high interval and

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<v Speaker 2>sprint and really electric workouts tie for the Matab and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a slave for the Matab tie. Sure everybody knows

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<v Speaker 2>that about me. So I've been mixing in a lot

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<v Speaker 2>more sprints and the only way I can really get

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<v Speaker 2>into it is if I am competing with myself and others. Really,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm feeling good.

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<v Speaker 1>So just a boy out there running at listening to

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<v Speaker 1>hardcore history. That's exactly what I do. Okay, Well, on

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<v Speaker 1>that note, thank you for joining us here on the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Big thanks to our guest of her last week, Adam

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<v Speaker 1>Kramer from Bleacher Report, who was so kind as to

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<v Speaker 1>join you and to talk all sorts of college all

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<v Speaker 1>sorts of college football things. Excuse me always to have

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<v Speaker 1>Adam on. I'm sad I missed it, but as people

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<v Speaker 1>who listen to this show are well aware, I am

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<v Speaker 1>still very much in the process of moving and getting

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<v Speaker 1>myself all sorted out. So I thought I had everything

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<v Speaker 1>in place before recording last week, but that was not

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<v Speaker 1>the case. So thank you to you, Thank you to

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<v Speaker 1>Adam for pinch hitting for me in my absence. But

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<v Speaker 1>I'm back. I am back back, baby.

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<v Speaker 2>We hit over under Win total stuff we talked about.

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<v Speaker 2>He did a story on the it's sort of the

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<v Speaker 2>tongue of a loa family and sort of just focusing

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<v Speaker 2>on Talia to his younger brother who's still in high

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<v Speaker 2>school at writing pop high school prospect.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the writing, he is the righty correct okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we talked to summer things, which we I

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<v Speaker 2>missed you because you always have really good, if not controversial,

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<v Speaker 2>if not completely incorrect opinions about broad life things. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>whereas I think I was mostly in agreement with Adam.

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<v Speaker 2>There wasn't tension. He just had very good opinions about summer.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we're excited about tonight's show. We actually have a

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<v Speaker 1>cool little concept here that we're going to trot out momentarily.

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<v Speaker 1>But of course, if you're a new listener, we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be here all off season long talking college football

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<v Speaker 1>things and life things whatever we can talk about basically

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<v Speaker 1>until we get to like August, when it comes time

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<v Speaker 1>to actually start talking about teams and previews and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 1>But yes, as always, you can find us at iTunes

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<v Speaker 1>ardent supporters out at reddit dot com, slash r slash

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<v Speaker 1>Solid Verbal. We've got a new website that is very

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<v Speaker 1>much in the pipeline and looking awesome thanks to our

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<v Speaker 1>friends over at Superboss. We'll be talking much more about

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<v Speaker 1>and mugs and hats and all sorts of fun merchandise

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<v Speaker 1>to you, we promise in time for the start of

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<v Speaker 1>the season, and we're going to keep updating that with

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<v Speaker 1>new merch all throughout the calendar year. So exciting times

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<v Speaker 1>ahead here on the Verbal. And that's all to say

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<v Speaker 1>that we've got a live show coming up, Yes I can.

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<v Speaker 2>Should we just say the date even though we're not

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<v Speaker 2>confirmed still, well, just so people know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess why not?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, it's going to be Saturday, August eleventh, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>so early to mid August, now that we've said it,

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<v Speaker 2>ty one way or another. We might just have a

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<v Speaker 2>gathering in a park.

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, this could be on the shores

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<v Speaker 1>of Lake Michigan. If we're unable to find the a

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<v Speaker 1>proper venue. We're very much getting help, yes, trying to

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<v Speaker 1>find that. BI professionals BI professionals, Right, We're looking into

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<v Speaker 1>all sorts of options for venues. So the planning process

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<v Speaker 1>is well underway. It's just that that's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>the date. We had a couple of people write in

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<v Speaker 1>and ask, and I think we both feel bad about

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<v Speaker 1>keeping people on the hook any longer than we have to.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, people are booking flights or cards or just figuring

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<v Speaker 2>out weekend plans for the summer. It seems right, we

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<v Speaker 2>are very much banking on August the eleventh, So yes,

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<v Speaker 2>let us know if you'll be in town, either for

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<v Speaker 2>the show or for the after party, which would be

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere too much easier to book a wedding venue in

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<v Speaker 2>Chicago for me, yes, than to find a place that

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<v Speaker 2>will house about three hundred people and has some food

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<v Speaker 2>and drink and maybe a little stage and some audio equipment.

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<v Speaker 2>Did in Chicago's a major city, live performance city, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's been tricky finding We're trying to goldilocks this time.

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<v Speaker 2>We're trying to get one that's just right.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's either going to be at a sports bar

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<v Speaker 1>or Jim Delaney's house. We'll let you know. Does he

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<v Speaker 1>live in Chicago. I guess he probably does live in Chicago.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe Dave Revsen will let us have it, either Dave

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<v Speaker 1>Revsen or Mike Hall.

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<v Speaker 2>I know Adam Mamin doesn't have a house. He has

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<v Speaker 2>an apartment, so that's probably not conducive. But they probably

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<v Speaker 2>have homes, possibly with backyards. You know what, my in

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<v Speaker 2>laws if you want to come to the suburbs. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>my in laws have a robust backyard.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking flash mob, but podcast a flash pod somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>on Michigan Avenue also an option.

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<v Speaker 2>The Northwestern facility is quite nice, but we don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to do Evanston. Evanston's cool, but we don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on.

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<v Speaker 2>We got to get in the city anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go, August, Yes, in Chicago. We're excited. It's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be awesome. Fantasy Things Draft twenty eighteen. What's

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<v Speaker 1>cool stuff? Head? All right, what is the concept? This

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<v Speaker 1>was actually your idea as now of our preface. So

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<v Speaker 1>many of our great ideas on this podcast come from you.

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<v Speaker 1>What is the concept this evening?

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<v Speaker 2>It's a very cute way of playing Devil's Advocate in June.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is my precursor, my warning. We don't want

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<v Speaker 2>bad things. We're not rooting for bad things. We want

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<v Speaker 2>everybody to succeed, even though mathematically that's not possible. But

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<v Speaker 2>we're just here to ask some questions, ty, and today's

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<v Speaker 2>main question is are we sure? And we have a

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<v Speaker 2>number of college football topics I think as it relates

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<v Speaker 2>to this season or just broader, but it has to

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<v Speaker 2>do it this season, like, for instance, are we sure

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<v Speaker 2>that Dan is a vital part to the solid verbal

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, right, I don't honestly know, but we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to be asking these questions. Are we sure that

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<v Speaker 2>this piece of conventional wisdom is something that should and

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<v Speaker 2>has earned the right to be conventional wisdom.

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<v Speaker 1>So if I said to you, are we sure that

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<v Speaker 1>there are only eighteen McCaffrey brothers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I am fully prepared for there to be secret McCaffrey's. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>that would be a very good name for a fantasy

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<v Speaker 2>or not a fantasy, like a pickam Pool entry or

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<v Speaker 2>a bullpick McCaffrey's. Secret McCaffrey's. There is another Fanta baseball

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<v Speaker 2>team whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Luke did I see it's Luke McCaffrey.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a fourth McCaffrey that will play college football

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<v Speaker 2>FBS level, Power five level. I think we had Max

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<v Speaker 2>at Duke Christian at Stanford, Dylan at Michigan, and now

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<v Speaker 2>Luke at Nebraska.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Nebraska, Eddie McCaffrey, very fertile, very fertile.

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<v Speaker 2>Unbelievable, and apparently the credit all should go to the mother.

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<v Speaker 2>She is apparently a terrific athlete in her own right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, well cool. So basically we are challenging conventional

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<v Speaker 1>wisdom here? Are we sure? Blank is blank? Mm hm?

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's the game, okay, And we are going to

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<v Speaker 2>posit a situation and then we're going to talk it out.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, where do you want to start? Where are we going? First?

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<v Speaker 2>Let's start here because this is what started our conversation. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>we asked on Twitter and one of the one of

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<v Speaker 2>our viewers, listeners whatever, uh followers tweeted us this exact thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and we already had it number one.

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<v Speaker 1>Boo boo boo. Are we sure Shape Patterson is good? Oh? So?

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<v Speaker 1>Are we sure?

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<v Speaker 2>Because a lot has been made of Shape Patterson and

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<v Speaker 2>the drama transferring away from Ole Miss obviously at touted

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<v Speaker 2>an extremely touted recruit going to Oxford, gets in as

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<v Speaker 2>a true freshman, plays as a sophomore before getting injured

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<v Speaker 2>about halfway through the season, announces his intention to transfer,

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<v Speaker 2>quickly visits Michigan, commits to Michigan, transfers to Michigan, then

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<v Speaker 2>gets the waiver to play immediately because of circumstances at

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<v Speaker 2>Old Miss and why he had to transfer, And there

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<v Speaker 2>seems to be a sigh of relief because he is

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<v Speaker 2>seen as savior is going way too far, but he

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<v Speaker 2>is seen as solidifying a position that has not really

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<v Speaker 2>been all that solid these past couple of seasons.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems like Michigan fans are very hopeful, to say

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<v Speaker 1>the least about one. That's fine that Shaye Patterson could

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<v Speaker 1>provide for them at the quarterback position, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they should be, I mean, I think because

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<v Speaker 2>if you're not hopeful in June, why are you a

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<v Speaker 2>college football fan?

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<v Speaker 1>Right? So, shape Patterson, in case you haven't listened to

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<v Speaker 1>our show water ruling with the NCAA, claims that he

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<v Speaker 1>was missile ed at Old Miss. Therefore his transfer request

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<v Speaker 1>should be processed immediately. And by transfer request, I basically

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<v Speaker 1>mean his eligibility should start right away. You should have

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<v Speaker 1>to sit out a year and going to Michigan. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>Michigan's very excited about this because the quarterback spot has

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<v Speaker 1>been a bit of a bugaboo for our friend Jim

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<v Speaker 1>Barbad now Ever, since he got there, they never really

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<v Speaker 1>had a good permanent solution at the quarterback position. So

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<v Speaker 1>Shaye Patterson comes over from Old Miss. He's obviously got

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of talent, form or five star recruit, did

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<v Speaker 1>some nice things during his time in Oxford. He comes

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<v Speaker 1>over all of a sudden, things are looking a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more upbeat for Michigan at that spot.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and I will only speak for myself, but let's

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<v Speaker 2>be clear, it's better for us if he's good. We

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<v Speaker 2>want good quarterback play, we want good football. So we

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<v Speaker 2>are hoping maybe it was just a situational thing with

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<v Speaker 2>everything that was going on in Oxford. That said, I

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<v Speaker 2>was expecting him to get noticeably better last year, even

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<v Speaker 2>with everything swirling in Oxford, even with a pretty tough schedule.

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<v Speaker 2>I know they had Alabama and Auburn on the road,

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<v Speaker 2>both on the road in consecutive weeks. They went to

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<v Speaker 2>Cal early on, which shouldn't have been that much trouble,

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<v Speaker 2>but seemed to have been some trouble.

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<v Speaker 1>He threw three picks in that game.

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<v Speaker 2>I went back and rewatched a number of the games

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<v Speaker 2>from last year, and again, a lot goes into offensive success,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's coaches, line, skill, position players, and mind you,

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<v Speaker 2>he had probably one of the best three receivers in

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<v Speaker 2>college football last year in aj Brown. But I was

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<v Speaker 2>watching shape Patterson and that's when the question struck me,

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<v Speaker 2>Like he seems okay, and it has a couple of moments,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's a little bit shorter, he tends to overthrow.

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<v Speaker 2>His footwork seems like it needs I mean, no pun

0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:56.840
<v Speaker 2>intended some strides and made some mistakes. Like my guy,

0:12:56.880 --> 0:12:59.280
<v Speaker 2>you lost sixty six to three. You and your team

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<v Speaker 2>to Alabama. This is a great Alabama team. So I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't even watch much of that game. I watched the

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<v Speaker 2>next week against Auburn, because I think that says a

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<v Speaker 2>lot and he'll be judged in an arbor with regards

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<v Speaker 2>to how Michigan does against Michigan State, Penn State, Ohio State,

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<v Speaker 2>and this year certainly Notre Dame to open up the season,

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<v Speaker 2>and against LSU it was kind of a nightmare and

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<v Speaker 2>obviously was wounded. But I watched that Auburn game because

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<v Speaker 2>he threw fifty one passes and they were down something

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<v Speaker 2>like thirty five thirty eight to three at halftime. I

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<v Speaker 2>forgot that it got so out of hands so quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>It was not if I were watching that through an

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<v Speaker 2>amazing blue tinted lens, I think I would be a

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<v Speaker 2>bit deflated, is what I'm trying to say, Like, don't

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that he is just I mean, he's

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<v Speaker 2>going to start as he should because of it. I

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<v Speaker 2>think their options right now are not great, so he

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<v Speaker 2>should slide in. But unless the offense at Michigan, which

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<v Speaker 2>we had offensive line issues these past couple of years,

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<v Speaker 2>I think decent running backs, you know, a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>intriguing wide outs, I think, but in terms of what

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<v Speaker 2>this offense has looked like creatively and consistency wise, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not ready to slide in Shape Patterson and say this

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<v Speaker 2>is a major, major deal because I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>I'm fully seeing it right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's fair, right, There's definitely a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of hopefulness on the part of Michigan fans. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we've often heard the expression about the backup quarterback being

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<v Speaker 1>the most popular guy on Curtis. There's some element of

0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:39.800
<v Speaker 1>that here because Shape Patterson, at least as it relates

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<v Speaker 1>to being a Michigan football player is a great unknown.

0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:46.880
<v Speaker 1>He represents I think something that could be and something

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<v Speaker 1>that I think a lot of Michigan fans wanted the

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<v Speaker 1>quarterback position to be under Jim Harbaugh. He just hasn't

0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:56.960
<v Speaker 1>had that breakthrough yet. Now we saw Wilton Spako elsewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>He's going to be playing some role for you. We

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what, And I think you're right in saying

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<v Speaker 1>that Shape Patterson represents the best option for Jim Harbaugh

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<v Speaker 1>at this point. We'll see what he can do. He's

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<v Speaker 1>still fairly young.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it'll be his third year. He'll be a junior,

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<v Speaker 2>a true junior.

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<v Speaker 1>Jim Harbaugh does have a bit of a track record

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<v Speaker 1>for spinning gold at the quarterback position, though we haven't

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<v Speaker 1>seen it quite yet. In Ann Arbor, Shape Patterson probably

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<v Speaker 1>represents the most talent that he's had since since he

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<v Speaker 1>started at Michigan. Yeah, anyway he can do.

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<v Speaker 2>The great news, aside from a pretty tricky schedule, is

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<v Speaker 2>that Michigan's defense should look very good. I would assume

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<v Speaker 2>just with the number of talented guys that have come back,

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<v Speaker 2>how well Michigan has recruited on defense and the gold

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<v Speaker 2>spinning part to me in college in this recent Michigan,

0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:53.960
<v Speaker 2>not Stanford or San Diego or whatever. The gold spinning

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<v Speaker 2>was probably limited to only the second half of Jake

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<v Speaker 2>Rudock's season.

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<v Speaker 1>Is one for a year which was and that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Very good, and I would say somewhat unforeseen given Rudok's history.

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<v Speaker 2>But the Wilton Spade earrow was largely dependent on defense.

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<v Speaker 2>Last year was a mess because of injuries, but the

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<v Speaker 2>defense was still there. So the good news for Shaye

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<v Speaker 2>Patterson and for whoever ends up succeeding or quasi succeeding

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<v Speaker 2>at quarterback, which I assume will be the case, is

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<v Speaker 2>the defense should often enough put the offense in a

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<v Speaker 2>good enough position that they get short feels that they

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<v Speaker 2>know they're playing with leads or whatever. But my confidence

0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:35.760
<v Speaker 2>in shape Patterson driving the ball downfield is not super

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<v Speaker 2>high right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'll say this about your question. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure that he's good, but I'm sure that his floor

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<v Speaker 1>is higher than sure. Oh yeah, yeah, we've seen at

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<v Speaker 1>Michigan in a couple of years. And I'm also sure

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<v Speaker 1>that the parts around him at Michigan will support him

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<v Speaker 1>better than the parts at all. Miss A lot was

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<v Speaker 1>on his arm down there in Oxford. I think it'll

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<v Speaker 1>be spread out a little bit. More responsibilities will be

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<v Speaker 1>spread out more in ann Arbor than they were in Oxford.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll twist it like this, Are we sure shape Patterson

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<v Speaker 2>is good?

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<v Speaker 1>No? Are we?

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<v Speaker 2>I am sure shape Patterson is pretty good? Okay, but

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<v Speaker 2>that may not matter given some context.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let me stay on the quarterback front. We've

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<v Speaker 1>actually got a couple other ones here on the quarterback front.

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<v Speaker 1>But are we sure dot dot dot ru that Tua

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<v Speaker 1>Tongueavy law law is better than Jalen Hurts? Right now?

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<v Speaker 1>This seems to be conventional wisdom because obviously he came in.

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<v Speaker 1>He won that overtime thriller in the College Football Playoff

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<v Speaker 1>National Championship Game. It has been assumed in the early

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<v Speaker 1>going here in the preseason that two was gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be the starter in Tuscaloosa. There's no reason to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of back off that assumption. I think we're all

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<v Speaker 1>kind of proceeding under that assumption. Sure, But if I may,

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<v Speaker 1>if I just want to play Devil's advocate here for

0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:11.080
<v Speaker 1>the hell of it, please, he played nine games in

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<v Speaker 1>garbage time, or I should say eight games in garbage

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<v Speaker 1>time right through seventy seven passes all last season. If

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<v Speaker 1>it weren't for the comeback victory in overtime against Georgia

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<v Speaker 1>in the Championship, do you think we would still be

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<v Speaker 1>having this discussion about who's going to be starting quarterback

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<v Speaker 1>this year.

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<v Speaker 2>I think if not for Tua, there's a good chance

0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:43.359
<v Speaker 2>Alabama loses that game, right agreed. So in the wake

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<v Speaker 2>of losing because of quarterback play on the biggest possible stage,

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<v Speaker 2>I think by now, in the middle of June, plenty

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<v Speaker 2>of people, either with Alabama allegiances or otherwise will would

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<v Speaker 2>have talked themselves into Tua that Jalen Hurts is good

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<v Speaker 2>for games one through Auburn or one until Auburn, onething

0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:09.919
<v Speaker 2>like that, one until Auburn, and then there's just you know,

0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:13.520
<v Speaker 2>like he's just like a seven inning starter and just

0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:15.639
<v Speaker 2>doesn't have this stuff to close out a game. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's listen, Jalen Hurts had a remarkable young career. He's

0:19:19.480 --> 0:19:22.920
<v Speaker 2>been incredible, right, and maybe it's a confidence issue, maybe

0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:25.480
<v Speaker 2>it's been injury stuff, maybe it's you know, been the

0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:27.040
<v Speaker 2>fact that and this is something too is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be facing as well. Tua was recruited by Lane Kiffen

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<v Speaker 2>to whatever extent, and then he had this past season

0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:38.320
<v Speaker 2>was Brian Dabele, who has moved on. I think he's

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<v Speaker 2>in Buffalo, is that right?

0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:39.880
<v Speaker 1>Yep?

0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:44.560
<v Speaker 2>Yet Buffalo, And now it'll be it's Mike Loxley who

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<v Speaker 2>ascends from you know, he started there as a an analyst,

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<v Speaker 2>an offensive analyst. Now they have a co offensive Cordner.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was the Penn State wide receivers coach Gaddis,

0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:59.240
<v Speaker 2>Josh Gaddis. And then Danny Enos comes over and he

0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:02.480
<v Speaker 2>takes over as a quarterbacks coach and like associate head

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<v Speaker 2>coach whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm just.

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<v Speaker 2>Saying there are a lot of voices into his head.

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<v Speaker 2>This is also to say he returns four out of

0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:13.199
<v Speaker 2>the five offensive line well as a ridiculous backfield and

0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:17.760
<v Speaker 2>has you know, Jerry Judy, DeVante Smith, whatever. But I think,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you what is the the crux of what

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<v Speaker 2>makes you doubt to right now?

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<v Speaker 1>I think that I when I see a game like

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<v Speaker 1>this like we saw in the National Championship, I hark

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<v Speaker 1>him back to the days of Trevor Knight at Oklahoma

0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:41.200
<v Speaker 1>when they beat I guess Alabama and the Sugar Bowl

0:20:41.280 --> 0:20:43.840
<v Speaker 1>remember coming out of that game, Trevor Knight was all

0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:48.000
<v Speaker 1>world everything. It didn't materialize for him. He was okay, right,

0:20:48.440 --> 0:20:51.600
<v Speaker 1>but it didn't materialize in quite the manner that a

0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:54.320
<v Speaker 1>lot expected. Now, I'm not saying Tua is the next

0:20:54.320 --> 0:20:57.480
<v Speaker 1>Trevor Knight, but I'm always a little hesitant to stake

0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:02.520
<v Speaker 1>too much on a singular performance. There's no denying that

0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:06.480
<v Speaker 1>what he did in that National Championship game elevated Alabama

0:21:06.520 --> 0:21:09.159
<v Speaker 1>to a point where they could win. Jalen Hurts was

0:21:09.200 --> 0:21:11.879
<v Speaker 1>not giving them the answer in that game. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think you're right. If it weren't for Tua coming in,

0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:18.359
<v Speaker 1>we're probably talking about this in a different context, and

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<v Speaker 1>it probably still goes to the same spot where Tua

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<v Speaker 1>is the presumed starter. But I'm always very very hesitant

0:21:24.880 --> 0:21:27.800
<v Speaker 1>to just put too much on one singular performance when,

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<v Speaker 1>let's be honest, the previous eight games, the previous fifty

0:21:33.480 --> 0:21:37.399
<v Speaker 1>throws in his career were mostly in mop up due

0:21:37.440 --> 0:21:40.840
<v Speaker 1>to your garbage. Most Yeah, you know, so we got

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<v Speaker 1>to see what he can do throughout the totality of

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<v Speaker 1>an SEC season. A lot of other big games, certainly

0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:49.560
<v Speaker 1>Alabama in the SEC West is never short on those

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<v Speaker 1>but I guess my only hesitation would be that he

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't quite have the experience that Jalen Hurts has. Jalen Hurts,

0:21:57.359 --> 0:22:00.359
<v Speaker 1>for his part, even though he has had a couple

0:22:00.320 --> 0:22:03.320
<v Speaker 1>of rough patches in the latter part of his two

0:22:03.320 --> 0:22:06.199
<v Speaker 1>seasons now as quarterback, he's still been pretty good. He's

0:22:06.200 --> 0:22:07.480
<v Speaker 1>still got the record.

0:22:07.600 --> 0:22:10.560
<v Speaker 2>Sure if he really does not make mistakes, doesn't make

0:22:10.560 --> 0:22:11.680
<v Speaker 2>mistakes for the most part.

0:22:12.040 --> 0:22:14.960
<v Speaker 1>Also, if you really want to play Devil's advocate. The

0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:17.919
<v Speaker 1>all time question here is whether or not Tua or

0:22:18.040 --> 0:22:21.520
<v Speaker 1>Jalen really even matter in that offense sort of a little,

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<v Speaker 1>I think earlier point, you know, I mean, having a

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<v Speaker 1>better quarterback always matters, but there is so much ammo

0:22:27.560 --> 0:22:31.119
<v Speaker 1>around them that it definitely matters less at Alabama than

0:22:31.119 --> 0:22:32.520
<v Speaker 1>it would at a place like Notre Dame.

0:22:33.000 --> 0:22:35.359
<v Speaker 2>Well, it also doesn't matter as much when you have

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<v Speaker 2>to score seventeen points to.

0:22:37.280 --> 0:22:40.320
<v Speaker 1>Win, sure, right right, No, across the board, across the board.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was so Tua is well built, which I

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<v Speaker 2>think is nice. Even though he's at six to one,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if he's above five ten and a

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<v Speaker 2>half five eleven, maybe his you know, it's always entirely possible.

0:22:50.800 --> 0:22:55.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm wrong, it's almost assuredly the case. But TUA is

0:22:55.920 --> 0:22:59.400
<v Speaker 2>not super battle tested, and in that National Championship game

0:22:59.400 --> 0:23:01.480
<v Speaker 2>there was certainly throws in plays like I feel like

0:23:01.520 --> 0:23:03.439
<v Speaker 2>when you sign up for TUA, you were signing up

0:23:03.440 --> 0:23:07.240
<v Speaker 2>for the Tua experience for better or worse in obviously

0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:10.399
<v Speaker 2>a lesser way at this point than Johnny Manziel the

0:23:10.440 --> 0:23:14.320
<v Speaker 2>Johnny football experience, because that is a special talent. But

0:23:15.040 --> 0:23:17.600
<v Speaker 2>here is the outstanding news. I think it's sort of

0:23:17.680 --> 0:23:20.840
<v Speaker 2>a dual prong bit of outstanding news about TUA or

0:23:20.840 --> 0:23:24.800
<v Speaker 2>whoever actually ends up starting schedule is not terrible. No,

0:23:25.000 --> 0:23:27.359
<v Speaker 2>especially in the first half of the season. They opened

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<v Speaker 2>against Louisville. Do you happen to remember who Louisville's defensive

0:23:29.840 --> 0:23:31.000
<v Speaker 2>coordinator is their new defense?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh god, they made the trade, didn't they. Well, they

0:23:33.520 --> 0:23:35.359
<v Speaker 1>made the trade, but then they got rid of Peter Sermon.

0:23:35.920 --> 0:23:42.760
<v Speaker 2>Hmm yeah, b v G b V I don't make

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<v Speaker 2>me say it. Okay, So that's pretty good. That's a

0:23:46.640 --> 0:23:47.600
<v Speaker 2>pretty good way to start.

0:23:47.960 --> 0:23:48.840
<v Speaker 1>So you have Louisville.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't forget where they're playing. I think it's Orlando

0:23:51.359 --> 0:23:55.840
<v Speaker 2>or something. Arkansas State, Ole miss on the road text say, now,

0:23:55.840 --> 0:23:59.280
<v Speaker 2>it's a Mike Elco defense with talent. Yes, I think

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<v Speaker 2>that should be by week and it's week four, somewhat intimidating.

0:24:04.520 --> 0:24:06.720
<v Speaker 2>They have the rage in Cajun's Week five, they go

0:24:06.800 --> 0:24:10.240
<v Speaker 2>to Arkansas. It's a John Chavis defense. I'm not super

0:24:10.359 --> 0:24:16.680
<v Speaker 2>thrilled with Arkansas right now. Missoo at Tennessee at LSU

0:24:16.720 --> 0:24:19.120
<v Speaker 2>in pseudo, I mean they have a bye week between them.

0:24:19.160 --> 0:24:23.000
<v Speaker 2>So it takes until that at Tennessee at LSU and

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<v Speaker 2>then Mississippi State run late October early November until I

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<v Speaker 2>have actual concern that a quarterback will be exposed. Whoever

0:24:32.760 --> 0:24:34.680
<v Speaker 2>that quarterback is, that's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So what I'm going to say here and then

0:24:37.119 --> 0:24:39.080
<v Speaker 1>we'll move on because we've got four more of these

0:24:39.080 --> 0:24:44.000
<v Speaker 1>that I think are all equally riveting. I am not sure,

0:24:44.680 --> 0:24:49.160
<v Speaker 1>quite honestly, that Tua is better than Jalen Hurts, right.

0:24:49.520 --> 0:24:52.160
<v Speaker 1>I do think though, because of what we've seen out

0:24:52.160 --> 0:24:56.439
<v Speaker 1>of Jalen Hurts, I am sure I know what Jalen

0:24:56.520 --> 0:25:01.000
<v Speaker 1>Hurts is as a quarterback, and because of that, I'm

0:25:01.040 --> 0:25:04.719
<v Speaker 1>more excited about Tua. But Tua is by no means

0:25:04.840 --> 0:25:06.560
<v Speaker 1>a proven commodity at this point.

0:25:06.920 --> 0:25:11.120
<v Speaker 2>What I do like about Tua that I'm not positive

0:25:11.240 --> 0:25:15.359
<v Speaker 2>Jalen Hurts still possesses or does possess, and he has

0:25:15.400 --> 0:25:17.520
<v Speaker 2>been quite fun to watch these past couple of years

0:25:17.600 --> 0:25:20.640
<v Speaker 2>for the most part because of his dual threat ability

0:25:20.880 --> 0:25:24.600
<v Speaker 2>is TUA doesn't care. Tua will go down field. I mean,

0:25:24.640 --> 0:25:27.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm not even talking about that play that the Devonte

0:25:27.640 --> 0:25:30.520
<v Speaker 2>Smith ridiculous, you know, throw over covered too. I'm just

0:25:30.960 --> 0:25:32.960
<v Speaker 2>I look at two and I say this, this dude

0:25:33.080 --> 0:25:35.440
<v Speaker 2>is going to just gun it in. He's going to

0:25:35.520 --> 0:25:38.400
<v Speaker 2>throw down field, He's going to connect, and I think

0:25:38.440 --> 0:25:41.720
<v Speaker 2>he is more of a playmaker with his arm and

0:25:41.840 --> 0:25:45.200
<v Speaker 2>has a fearless quality that I don't think Jalen Hurts

0:25:45.320 --> 0:25:49.760
<v Speaker 2>quite possesses that. It seems like, barring some kind of

0:25:49.920 --> 0:25:52.119
<v Speaker 2>fall camp melt down, I know he was sort of

0:25:52.200 --> 0:25:53.959
<v Speaker 2>nicked up, had a finger issue, I think, or a

0:25:53.960 --> 0:25:59.320
<v Speaker 2>hand issue over spring. I am more intrigued by his

0:25:59.560 --> 0:26:04.760
<v Speaker 2>sealing than Jalen Hurts, which is crazy, Yeah, because Jalen

0:26:04.800 --> 0:26:08.000
<v Speaker 2>Hurts has done nothing but lead them to the championship

0:26:08.040 --> 0:26:09.400
<v Speaker 2>game in his two seasons.

0:26:09.720 --> 0:26:11.760
<v Speaker 1>All right, where are we going next?

0:26:11.800 --> 0:26:11.960
<v Speaker 2>Here?

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<v Speaker 1>Your turn?

0:26:13.119 --> 0:26:19.320
<v Speaker 2>All right, let's go to Are we sure? I like,

0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:21.480
<v Speaker 2>you've thrown in a couple here, but I'll go to

0:26:21.480 --> 0:26:25.479
<v Speaker 2>one of mine. Are we sure that Mike Gundy is

0:26:25.600 --> 0:26:27.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go positive with this. Are we sure that

0:26:27.760 --> 0:26:31.560
<v Speaker 2>Mike Gundy, Oklahoma State head coach, is not a top

0:26:31.920 --> 0:26:35.240
<v Speaker 2>eight ish coach and the clear best head coach in

0:26:35.280 --> 0:26:38.719
<v Speaker 2>the Big twelve at this point, now that theops is

0:26:39.720 --> 0:26:42.480
<v Speaker 2>couch in the Big twelve, I believe that he is.

0:26:42.600 --> 0:26:44.160
<v Speaker 2>Are we sure that he is not?

0:26:44.200 --> 0:26:44.320
<v Speaker 1>Like?

0:26:44.520 --> 0:26:49.440
<v Speaker 2>Basically, are we sure that he is like a second

0:26:49.600 --> 0:26:53.080
<v Speaker 2>tier national head coach? And I understand that there are

0:26:53.119 --> 0:26:55.120
<v Speaker 2>people that are going to say, well, you know, he's

0:26:55.160 --> 0:26:57.199
<v Speaker 2>never been to the playoff, he's never been to, you know,

0:26:57.240 --> 0:26:59.840
<v Speaker 2>a huge game, and certainly in twenty eleven there's a

0:27:00.280 --> 0:27:01.640
<v Speaker 2>to be made that Oklahoma State.

0:27:01.480 --> 0:27:02.040
<v Speaker 1>Should have been.

0:27:02.520 --> 0:27:05.760
<v Speaker 2>But because of his consistency, I think they've won ten

0:27:05.800 --> 0:27:08.600
<v Speaker 2>games four out of the past five seasons. He consistently

0:27:08.680 --> 0:27:13.600
<v Speaker 2>develops NFL players. Oklahoma State is not in an advantageous

0:27:13.600 --> 0:27:17.600
<v Speaker 2>place within their own state, let alone the conference, and

0:27:17.840 --> 0:27:19.840
<v Speaker 2>certainly te Boon Pickens has poured a lot of money

0:27:19.880 --> 0:27:23.119
<v Speaker 2>to that program and improved things greatly, But Oklahoma is

0:27:23.320 --> 0:27:27.359
<v Speaker 2>without a doubt the headline program sure in Oklahoma, and

0:27:27.440 --> 0:27:29.919
<v Speaker 2>now that Bob Stoops is gone, who was the clear

0:27:30.000 --> 0:27:33.879
<v Speaker 2>answer for a very very, very long time and probably

0:27:34.600 --> 0:27:38.080
<v Speaker 2>in some ways underrated as a football coach, But Mike

0:27:38.119 --> 0:27:40.720
<v Speaker 2>Gundy At this point, I think there's only one other

0:27:40.840 --> 0:27:44.480
<v Speaker 2>coach with this claim. That's probably Gary Patterson in the

0:27:44.480 --> 0:27:47.920
<v Speaker 2>Big twelve. At this point, I think Mike Gundy has

0:27:47.920 --> 0:27:50.720
<v Speaker 2>done a better job within the context of Oklahoma State

0:27:51.359 --> 0:27:54.480
<v Speaker 2>without having the Mountain West runway that Gary Patterson has had.

0:27:54.480 --> 0:27:56.399
<v Speaker 2>I think Mike Gundy is three and two over the

0:27:56.480 --> 0:28:00.000
<v Speaker 2>last five years against TCU Oklahoma State is mind you.

0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:05.000
<v Speaker 2>I think Mike Gundy, to me is crazy underrated with

0:28:05.040 --> 0:28:07.919
<v Speaker 2>what he's done there and should be in conversations with

0:28:09.119 --> 0:28:12.520
<v Speaker 2>the list of college football's top tier coaches.

0:28:12.600 --> 0:28:16.840
<v Speaker 1>Wow, okay, so let's go through, first off, who the

0:28:16.880 --> 0:28:20.520
<v Speaker 1>coaches are in the Big twelve to argue whether or

0:28:20.520 --> 0:28:22.480
<v Speaker 1>not he's a top eight coach. I think is fair.

0:28:22.680 --> 0:28:24.120
<v Speaker 1>I think you can put him in the top eight

0:28:24.640 --> 0:28:26.600
<v Speaker 1>without even trying to go through all the coaches in

0:28:26.640 --> 0:28:29.840
<v Speaker 1>college football. I think he's been consistent enough at a

0:28:29.880 --> 0:28:33.720
<v Speaker 1>place that can be difficult to recruit to that he

0:28:33.840 --> 0:28:38.600
<v Speaker 1>deserves to be in that conversation. Yea, The bigger question

0:28:38.680 --> 0:28:41.400
<v Speaker 1>is is he the best in the Big twelve. So

0:28:41.480 --> 0:28:44.800
<v Speaker 1>let's go through it. Let's go through it. Matt Rule

0:28:44.800 --> 0:28:47.440
<v Speaker 1>at Baylor, He's better than Matt Rule at this point,

0:28:47.520 --> 0:28:51.560
<v Speaker 1>more consistent longer career. Oh yeah, yeah, accomplished. Matt Campbell

0:28:51.640 --> 0:28:54.960
<v Speaker 1>for sure, better than Matt Campbell. David Beatty, I'm not

0:28:55.000 --> 0:28:59.400
<v Speaker 1>even going to dignify that, right, Bill Snyder, Is he

0:28:59.440 --> 0:29:00.440
<v Speaker 1>better than Bill Snyder?

0:29:01.400 --> 0:29:04.440
<v Speaker 2>What depends what you want to I'm judging over like

0:29:04.480 --> 0:29:07.560
<v Speaker 2>the past five years, he's better. So I went back

0:29:07.560 --> 0:29:09.280
<v Speaker 2>to twenty eleven so that we can even go back

0:29:09.280 --> 0:29:10.959
<v Speaker 2>to twenty eleven. And Bill Snyder had a very good

0:29:11.240 --> 0:29:13.000
<v Speaker 2>twenty twelve with Kansas State.

0:29:13.200 --> 0:29:15.040
<v Speaker 1>I think I would say right now, I think you

0:29:15.080 --> 0:29:17.920
<v Speaker 1>could argue that Bill Snyder has done more with less

0:29:18.480 --> 0:29:23.480
<v Speaker 1>in spots throughout his career. Sure, but Mike the contact

0:29:23.560 --> 0:29:26.480
<v Speaker 1>Bill Snyder. Yes, my guddy has been so terribly consistent

0:29:26.640 --> 0:29:29.320
<v Speaker 1>at Oklahoma State. Rights tough to put Snyder in front

0:29:29.360 --> 0:29:32.720
<v Speaker 1>of him. So we're gonna say Gundy, Yeah, Lincoln Riley

0:29:32.800 --> 0:29:36.960
<v Speaker 1>really just getting started. If he continues on his current trajectory,

0:29:37.040 --> 0:29:38.960
<v Speaker 1>he's probably the answer in a couple of years.

0:29:39.000 --> 0:29:42.840
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I mean that's entirely possible. But one season

0:29:42.840 --> 0:29:46.000
<v Speaker 2>in without a roster, he recruited and assembled whatever. Yes,

0:29:46.080 --> 0:29:47.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm going with Gundy.

0:29:47.080 --> 0:29:50.160
<v Speaker 1>He's better than Cliff Kingsbury. He's better than Dana Holgerson.

0:29:50.200 --> 0:29:52.840
<v Speaker 1>Where it gets interesting is when you get to Tom

0:29:52.880 --> 0:29:58.920
<v Speaker 1>Herman and Gary Patterson. Okay, so Tom Herman could be

0:29:59.000 --> 0:30:04.000
<v Speaker 1>another guy who is eventually the answer here. Could operative

0:30:04.040 --> 0:30:08.200
<v Speaker 1>word could. Hasn't done a lot yet at Texas. I

0:30:08.240 --> 0:30:10.840
<v Speaker 1>think Texas is primed for big things. But that's really

0:30:10.880 --> 0:30:12.720
<v Speaker 1>been the case since we started this show back in

0:30:12.760 --> 0:30:13.600
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and eight.

0:30:14.680 --> 0:30:17.080
<v Speaker 2>True, you've never tossed in the good In twenty two

0:30:17.480 --> 0:30:20.040
<v Speaker 2>and nine, did they make it to the LASH Championship game?

0:30:20.160 --> 0:30:23.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So Tom Herman could eventually be the answer here,

0:30:24.160 --> 0:30:26.840
<v Speaker 1>probably isn't yet, doesn't have a long enough track record.

0:30:27.440 --> 0:30:31.080
<v Speaker 1>Talk to me about Gary Patterson though, Sure, what do

0:30:31.080 --> 0:30:33.880
<v Speaker 1>you want to know Mike Gundy versus Gary Patterson.

0:30:34.320 --> 0:30:38.160
<v Speaker 2>So the case is Gary Patterson's recent lows have been lower.

0:30:40.800 --> 0:30:44.200
<v Speaker 2>Gary Patterson was able to assemble a roster, and this

0:30:44.240 --> 0:30:46.760
<v Speaker 2>is credit to Gary Patterson. This is not a knock,

0:30:46.800 --> 0:30:49.480
<v Speaker 2>but it's something that Mike Gundy didn't have He was

0:30:49.480 --> 0:30:52.520
<v Speaker 2>able to assemble a roster and build systems in the

0:30:52.560 --> 0:30:55.440
<v Speaker 2>Mountain West, right not, you know, with the precious of

0:30:55.480 --> 0:30:58.200
<v Speaker 2>the Big twelve, and had time to sort of make

0:30:58.240 --> 0:31:01.760
<v Speaker 2>that transition in a very smooth, clean way, whereas Mike

0:31:01.760 --> 0:31:04.440
<v Speaker 2>Gundy was sort of thrust into this role unless Miles left.

0:31:04.520 --> 0:31:07.560
<v Speaker 2>So I'm going to give him a slight advantage in

0:31:07.600 --> 0:31:11.880
<v Speaker 2>that even down seasons, Oklahoma State is making bowl games.

0:31:12.240 --> 0:31:16.280
<v Speaker 2>Now there is one clear knock I think on Mike Gundy,

0:31:16.520 --> 0:31:19.840
<v Speaker 2>and in his resume, I don't believe he's won a

0:31:19.880 --> 0:31:22.480
<v Speaker 2>game in Norman. I want to say he's two and

0:31:22.560 --> 0:31:28.560
<v Speaker 2>twelve against Oklahoma And if we're going to espouse the

0:31:28.560 --> 0:31:32.320
<v Speaker 2>theory that college football is most fun when you're just

0:31:32.400 --> 0:31:35.920
<v Speaker 2>hoping your team wins regular season games, beats more rivals

0:31:35.960 --> 0:31:39.400
<v Speaker 2>than nots, and whatever happens with the playoff and with

0:31:39.480 --> 0:31:43.640
<v Speaker 2>bowls happens. But those are the most important things. It's

0:31:43.720 --> 0:31:47.040
<v Speaker 2>hard to say he is a top tier coach when

0:31:47.040 --> 0:31:49.400
<v Speaker 2>he's two and twelve against Arrival. That is where I

0:31:49.440 --> 0:31:52.719
<v Speaker 2>will definitely concede ground. He's very consistent. So he's been

0:31:52.760 --> 0:31:56.320
<v Speaker 2>at Oklahoma State now twelve seasons. H He only had

0:31:56.360 --> 0:31:59.360
<v Speaker 2>one losing season, his first, when he went four and seven.

0:31:59.400 --> 0:32:03.600
<v Speaker 2>But beyond that, he's had double digit wins six times.

0:32:04.160 --> 0:32:06.280
<v Speaker 2>There are a lot of seven wins seasons in there,

0:32:06.480 --> 0:32:08.440
<v Speaker 2>and by a lot, I guess I only mean three.

0:32:08.800 --> 0:32:12.120
<v Speaker 2>He's won nine games a couple times, eight games once.

0:32:12.520 --> 0:32:16.280
<v Speaker 2>He's been very consistent, and that's really all you can

0:32:16.360 --> 0:32:19.360
<v Speaker 2>ask as a head football coach of a major college

0:32:19.360 --> 0:32:23.560
<v Speaker 2>institution to be that consistent when sorry, Oklahoma State, you

0:32:23.600 --> 0:32:28.240
<v Speaker 2>are sort of second fiddle to Oklahoma, sort of second

0:32:28.240 --> 0:32:32.640
<v Speaker 2>fiddle to Texas in the Big twelve in terms of prominence. Sure,

0:32:32.880 --> 0:32:36.840
<v Speaker 2>but to be that consistent is certainly saying something I say.

0:32:36.960 --> 0:32:41.959
<v Speaker 2>As of now, you're probably right, Okay, almost definitely the

0:32:42.000 --> 0:32:46.640
<v Speaker 2>best coach in the Big twelve and out recruited by

0:32:46.840 --> 0:32:48.520
<v Speaker 2>at least three schools for sure.

0:32:48.640 --> 0:32:51.600
<v Speaker 1>For sure. Now, the more I think about this, I

0:32:51.680 --> 0:32:54.640
<v Speaker 1>don't want to just gloss over the top eight part

0:32:54.680 --> 0:32:59.600
<v Speaker 1>of your question. Okay, top eight, he's borderline top eight,

0:33:00.600 --> 0:33:03.280
<v Speaker 1>borderline top eight. You got a lot of coaching, ammo,

0:33:04.560 --> 0:33:07.040
<v Speaker 1>in the sec you got it. Do you think coach?

0:33:07.600 --> 0:33:09.720
<v Speaker 2>Do you think Jim Harbaugh is a better coach at

0:33:09.760 --> 0:33:13.400
<v Speaker 2>Michigan right now than Mike Gundy at Oklahoma State. No,

0:33:14.040 --> 0:33:14.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't think so.

0:33:14.960 --> 0:33:19.480
<v Speaker 1>No, but top eight, top eight's pushing it. He's a

0:33:19.520 --> 0:33:22.320
<v Speaker 1>bubble team if you're cut off his top eight. A

0:33:22.320 --> 0:33:24.840
<v Speaker 1>lot of coaching AMO in the SEC, a lot of

0:33:24.840 --> 0:33:28.240
<v Speaker 1>coaching AMO in the Big ten, a lot of coaching

0:33:28.280 --> 0:33:31.800
<v Speaker 1>AMMO in the PAC twelve, even though we're going to

0:33:31.840 --> 0:33:34.480
<v Speaker 1>talk about the Pac twelve and a more negative connotation

0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:37.760
<v Speaker 1>in a little bit. But top bights, top bits pushing it.

0:33:37.800 --> 0:33:40.800
<v Speaker 1>He's a bubble team in that regard. Okay, fair enough,

0:33:40.960 --> 0:33:44.800
<v Speaker 1>change my mind mid mid question here, Dan, Okay, I

0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:48.920
<v Speaker 1>think he's a threat, a top eight threat. Fair let's

0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:51.640
<v Speaker 1>stay in the Big twelve here for this next question.

0:33:52.160 --> 0:33:52.720
<v Speaker 1>Another one.

0:33:52.720 --> 0:33:56.120
<v Speaker 2>Actually, I've got the tweet deck up and we had

0:33:56.160 --> 0:33:59.480
<v Speaker 2>a gentleman by the name of Justin Hm who wanted

0:33:59.480 --> 0:34:00.760
<v Speaker 2>to talk about Kyler Murray.

0:34:01.880 --> 0:34:04.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to put this spin on it. Okay, are

0:34:04.720 --> 0:34:08.280
<v Speaker 1>we sure that Kyler Murray is worth all the emotional

0:34:08.400 --> 0:34:11.080
<v Speaker 1>energy for Oklahoma fans? Wow?

0:34:11.239 --> 0:34:13.160
<v Speaker 2>What a complicated way of thinking about it.

0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:17.279
<v Speaker 1>Okay, college football is nothing if not an emotional game. Dan,

0:34:17.360 --> 0:34:19.759
<v Speaker 1>That's why I've trace it the way I do So

0:34:20.320 --> 0:34:25.760
<v Speaker 1>here's where we're at. Okay, Oklahoma fans were incredibly fortunate

0:34:25.800 --> 0:34:29.160
<v Speaker 1>to have Baker Mayfield as their quarterback for the last

0:34:29.160 --> 0:34:31.719
<v Speaker 1>couple of years. Baker won the Heisman, Baker took them

0:34:31.760 --> 0:34:38.040
<v Speaker 1>to New Heights, obviously made the playoff, just an electric player,

0:34:38.600 --> 0:34:43.200
<v Speaker 1>an incredible offense last season in Norman, record setting in

0:34:43.600 --> 0:34:47.400
<v Speaker 1>many regards. Yeah, of course, so that was all in

0:34:47.440 --> 0:34:50.440
<v Speaker 1>Lincoln Riley's first year. And all the while, they've had

0:34:50.480 --> 0:34:52.920
<v Speaker 1>this guy, Kyler Murray, who came over from Texas A

0:34:52.920 --> 0:34:56.480
<v Speaker 1>and M when that situation went boom. He's been the backup.

0:34:57.560 --> 0:34:59.920
<v Speaker 1>He's been the backup and waiting. Now he kind of

0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:03.120
<v Speaker 1>gets his chance to step into the limelight. He's a

0:35:03.160 --> 0:35:05.879
<v Speaker 1>smaller guy than Baker Mayfield. He's listed at like five

0:35:06.040 --> 0:35:09.400
<v Speaker 1>eleven one point eighty eight, one ninety somewhere in that regard.

0:35:09.440 --> 0:35:14.080
<v Speaker 1>Baker Mayfield wasn't your prototypical NFL starting quarterback mold either,

0:35:14.800 --> 0:35:18.560
<v Speaker 1>But Kyler is is smaller. He's smaller, might be more

0:35:18.600 --> 0:35:21.840
<v Speaker 1>gifted as a runner, remains to be seen how gifted

0:35:21.880 --> 0:35:24.840
<v Speaker 1>he is as a thrower in comparison to Baker Mayfield.

0:35:24.840 --> 0:35:27.799
<v Speaker 1>But nonetheless, he's got a lot of talent, and there's

0:35:27.920 --> 0:35:32.520
<v Speaker 1>great reason to be excited. The other subplot is that

0:35:32.600 --> 0:35:36.080
<v Speaker 1>Kyler Murray was just drafted ninth overall by the Oakland

0:35:36.080 --> 0:35:39.400
<v Speaker 1>A's and the Major League Baseball Draft. Today he signed

0:35:39.440 --> 0:35:41.920
<v Speaker 1>a deal with the A's. He's going to get five

0:35:42.120 --> 0:35:47.480
<v Speaker 1>million dollars and get this the right to play football,

0:35:47.840 --> 0:35:52.320
<v Speaker 1>but only this season for Oklahoma. Yeah, only this season.

0:35:52.360 --> 0:35:55.359
<v Speaker 1>So he's basically a one and done, which is a

0:35:55.480 --> 0:35:59.520
<v Speaker 1>crazy risk by the A's. But when you layer the

0:35:59.560 --> 0:36:02.600
<v Speaker 1>baseball on top of the fact that we still got

0:36:02.600 --> 0:36:04.719
<v Speaker 1>a limited amount of data on this kid as a

0:36:04.719 --> 0:36:08.600
<v Speaker 1>football player, he's certainly not going to grow with the

0:36:08.640 --> 0:36:14.880
<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma program. He's probably an injury risk given his smaller stature.

0:36:15.600 --> 0:36:19.440
<v Speaker 1>If I'm an Oklahoma fan, Dan, it almost feels like

0:36:19.440 --> 0:36:22.640
<v Speaker 1>a publicity stunt. I know it isn't, but I would

0:36:22.640 --> 0:36:25.200
<v Speaker 1>just be very skeptical that this whole thing is going

0:36:25.280 --> 0:36:25.640
<v Speaker 1>to work.

0:36:25.800 --> 0:36:31.080
<v Speaker 2>All fair and was extraordinary in high school and inconsistent

0:36:31.160 --> 0:36:32.839
<v Speaker 2>but made some play as a tex A and m

0:36:32.920 --> 0:36:36.160
<v Speaker 2>while he was there briefly. I think what I think,

0:36:36.200 --> 0:36:40.560
<v Speaker 2>there's an assumption that because of the combination of Kyler

0:36:40.680 --> 0:36:45.480
<v Speaker 2>Murray's talent, his undeniable talent, the talent around him on

0:36:45.520 --> 0:36:50.000
<v Speaker 2>Oklahoma's offense, the continuity of coaches now with Lincoln Riley

0:36:50.040 --> 0:36:54.440
<v Speaker 2>and the coaches around Lincoln Riley, and Lincoln Riley's brain,

0:36:54.680 --> 0:36:58.239
<v Speaker 2>coupled with Kyler Murray's ability that things are just going

0:36:58.280 --> 0:37:03.000
<v Speaker 2>to continue apace in Norman. What I think that does

0:37:03.680 --> 0:37:09.320
<v Speaker 2>unintentionally that line of thinking is it says Baker Mayfield

0:37:09.760 --> 0:37:12.880
<v Speaker 2>was like a system guy at there's a little bit

0:37:12.920 --> 0:37:15.920
<v Speaker 2>of that, and I think it devalues and sort of

0:37:16.040 --> 0:37:22.120
<v Speaker 2>under like under rates or whatever, or dismisses almost just

0:37:22.800 --> 0:37:29.279
<v Speaker 2>how ridiculous Baker Mayfield was. Like, Lincoln Riley can come

0:37:29.360 --> 0:37:31.560
<v Speaker 2>up with these plays, and he certainly did, and he

0:37:31.560 --> 0:37:35.080
<v Speaker 2>can his play calling can be timely. Baker Mayfield throws

0:37:35.239 --> 0:37:38.040
<v Speaker 2>a hell of a ball. Baker Mayfield did not back

0:37:38.120 --> 0:37:41.440
<v Speaker 2>down from any throws, from any plays. Baker Mayfield is

0:37:41.480 --> 0:37:45.400
<v Speaker 2>a generational talent for Oklahoma, as strange as it is

0:37:45.440 --> 0:37:51.480
<v Speaker 2>to say, he was just mind bogglingly efficient. And so

0:37:51.520 --> 0:37:53.920
<v Speaker 2>I think the line of thinking is, while somebody as

0:37:53.960 --> 0:37:58.040
<v Speaker 2>talented as Kyler Murray can surely keep that going in Norman.

0:37:58.719 --> 0:38:02.080
<v Speaker 2>And I don't know if that's the case, And I

0:38:02.080 --> 0:38:04.480
<v Speaker 2>don't know if it's because he's slight of build. I

0:38:04.480 --> 0:38:07.040
<v Speaker 2>would be a little bit more worried about how things

0:38:07.080 --> 0:38:09.399
<v Speaker 2>transpired when it got rough at texts A and M

0:38:09.480 --> 0:38:12.640
<v Speaker 2>with his offensive coaches and you know, reportedly with his

0:38:12.760 --> 0:38:16.240
<v Speaker 2>dad and coaches. That to me, and certainly Baker Mayfield

0:38:16.280 --> 0:38:18.759
<v Speaker 2>has you know, there are stories about Baker Mayfield's dad,

0:38:18.800 --> 0:38:21.160
<v Speaker 2>sure or not, but that to me is a little

0:38:21.160 --> 0:38:26.560
<v Speaker 2>bit more worrisome from Afar. Granted that we are just

0:38:26.840 --> 0:38:31.200
<v Speaker 2>penciling in the empire to continue when what Baker Mayfield

0:38:31.239 --> 0:38:33.200
<v Speaker 2>did is essentially impossible.

0:38:34.000 --> 0:38:36.640
<v Speaker 1>Man, it is just tough when you know going in

0:38:37.200 --> 0:38:39.719
<v Speaker 1>that any success you have at quarterback is going to

0:38:39.760 --> 0:38:43.640
<v Speaker 1>be short lived. You know, like I guess maybe you

0:38:43.719 --> 0:38:46.680
<v Speaker 1>treat it like a grad transfer. We're all kind of

0:38:46.719 --> 0:38:49.080
<v Speaker 1>conditioned for that. Yeah, you just know they're going to

0:38:49.080 --> 0:38:53.399
<v Speaker 1>be fans who demand total commitment to the team, you know,

0:38:53.520 --> 0:38:54.919
<v Speaker 1>pick one or the other.

0:38:55.520 --> 0:39:00.920
<v Speaker 2>It's tough to be that kind of pragmat at like

0:39:01.080 --> 0:39:05.120
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty one. No, it's it's impossible when you know,

0:39:05.320 --> 0:39:09.680
<v Speaker 2>play quarterback for Oklahoma, play minor league baseball and hope

0:39:09.719 --> 0:39:12.200
<v Speaker 2>because I think everybody looks at him baseball wise, and

0:39:12.239 --> 0:39:15.240
<v Speaker 2>I will never pretend to be some kind of baseball scout,

0:39:15.239 --> 0:39:18.520
<v Speaker 2>but they look at him as you know, unbelievable athleticism

0:39:18.680 --> 0:39:21.200
<v Speaker 2>and bat speed is off the charts, and you know,

0:39:21.239 --> 0:39:25.160
<v Speaker 2>has taken huge strides, but still green, still a project,

0:39:25.600 --> 0:39:28.400
<v Speaker 2>whereas with football there is I think he's more of

0:39:28.400 --> 0:39:30.799
<v Speaker 2>a known quantity. I don't It doesn't appear that like

0:39:31.480 --> 0:39:33.480
<v Speaker 2>he is going to be a first or second round

0:39:33.600 --> 0:39:37.959
<v Speaker 2>NFL player, But you know who knows. It's tough though,

0:39:38.000 --> 0:39:42.480
<v Speaker 2>to say, forego the glory of playing quarterback at Oklahoma

0:39:42.600 --> 0:39:46.000
<v Speaker 2>versus playing you know what, does he play? Second base? Shortstop?

0:39:46.040 --> 0:39:47.360
<v Speaker 1>Feel he's a center fielder.

0:39:47.520 --> 0:39:49.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh, he's a center fielder. Okay, so there is some

0:39:49.440 --> 0:39:52.040
<v Speaker 2>glory in center field, you know, picking off home runs

0:39:52.040 --> 0:39:57.120
<v Speaker 2>over the wall, whatever. But to play baseball and to

0:39:57.239 --> 0:40:01.279
<v Speaker 2>look at baseball as a a moment of glory, I

0:40:01.280 --> 0:40:04.880
<v Speaker 2>think it's tougher. That's you know, that's my dumb opinion.

0:40:05.040 --> 0:40:06.680
<v Speaker 2>We're in our football podcast.

0:40:06.760 --> 0:40:10.760
<v Speaker 1>We're in our thirties. Yes, that's true, and have never

0:40:10.960 --> 0:40:14.600
<v Speaker 1>achieved any height such as this on the athletic stage.

0:40:15.040 --> 0:40:18.640
<v Speaker 2>Ty you missed. It's a minute thirty three quarter mile, Tye.

0:40:19.040 --> 0:40:23.560
<v Speaker 2>It's a minute thirty three, which might not sound fast

0:40:23.640 --> 0:40:26.759
<v Speaker 2>to anybody listening, and that's because it's not so.

0:40:26.920 --> 0:40:28.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Dan, this is a weird one.

0:40:28.560 --> 0:40:32.080
<v Speaker 2>If you're an Oklahoma fan, I think you treat it

0:40:32.120 --> 0:40:33.200
<v Speaker 2>like a grad transfer.

0:40:33.239 --> 0:40:36.280
<v Speaker 1>I think you enjoy the ride. You hope, for Kyler's

0:40:36.360 --> 0:40:40.239
<v Speaker 1>sake that doesn't blow a knee. But either way, congrats

0:40:40.280 --> 0:40:44.239
<v Speaker 1>to him on getting drafted, because that's really awesome. And

0:40:44.640 --> 0:40:47.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, let's just see how this all goes. Two

0:40:47.239 --> 0:40:51.000
<v Speaker 1>more here, Yeah, should we just combine them? Sure, let's

0:40:51.000 --> 0:40:52.759
<v Speaker 1>do it because we're running short on time. So we've

0:40:52.760 --> 0:40:57.320
<v Speaker 1>got two. We've got two packed twelve related questions.

0:40:57.680 --> 0:41:00.200
<v Speaker 2>The questions a manned pack twelve con.

0:41:00.680 --> 0:41:04.440
<v Speaker 1>The question that I wanted to ask is is higher level?

0:41:05.120 --> 0:41:07.320
<v Speaker 1>And it was are we sure that there is someone

0:41:07.400 --> 0:41:11.279
<v Speaker 1>actually running the PAC twelve conference, someone actually creating a

0:41:11.320 --> 0:41:13.720
<v Speaker 1>long term strategy for the PAC twelve conference?

0:41:13.840 --> 0:41:14.000
<v Speaker 2>Right?

0:41:14.320 --> 0:41:17.879
<v Speaker 1>Yours was more micro in the sense you asked, are

0:41:17.920 --> 0:41:23.760
<v Speaker 1>we sure that the universally lauded PAC twelve South hires

0:41:24.800 --> 0:41:27.680
<v Speaker 1>not her Edwards. We're going to exclude him from this equation,

0:41:28.320 --> 0:41:30.719
<v Speaker 1>but might be successful. But yeah, are we sure that

0:41:30.840 --> 0:41:35.480
<v Speaker 1>Chip Kelly and Kevin someone are the home run highers

0:41:35.520 --> 0:41:40.600
<v Speaker 1>that we've been led to believe, right. So I'll answer

0:41:40.640 --> 0:41:42.920
<v Speaker 1>that second question by saying that I am not at

0:41:42.960 --> 0:41:46.480
<v Speaker 1>all convinced that Kevin Someone's a home run higher for

0:41:46.560 --> 0:41:49.239
<v Speaker 1>many of the reasons that I have mentioned over the

0:41:49.280 --> 0:41:52.640
<v Speaker 1>last couple months here on the podcast. He feels a

0:41:52.680 --> 0:41:57.520
<v Speaker 1>lot to me like the previous guy, like rich Rodriguez.

0:41:57.520 --> 0:42:01.560
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of overlap there, and because of that,

0:42:01.680 --> 0:42:04.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't feel like he gives them a whole lot

0:42:04.200 --> 0:42:09.239
<v Speaker 1>more than where they were at previously. So unless you've

0:42:09.239 --> 0:42:12.000
<v Speaker 1>got a different definition of home run higher, I think

0:42:12.040 --> 0:42:16.880
<v Speaker 1>he's a capable replacement, and I think a change of scenery,

0:42:17.360 --> 0:42:20.600
<v Speaker 1>both for him and maybe for Rich Rod is a

0:42:20.640 --> 0:42:23.640
<v Speaker 1>good thing for them Professionally. I think it'll work out

0:42:23.680 --> 0:42:25.720
<v Speaker 1>just fine for Arizona. But if they end up looking

0:42:25.760 --> 0:42:28.680
<v Speaker 1>exactly the way that they looked in twenty seventeen, I

0:42:28.719 --> 0:42:32.640
<v Speaker 1>will not at all be surprised. For UCLA, Chip Kelly's

0:42:32.640 --> 0:42:35.360
<v Speaker 1>a home run. He can go five and seven and

0:42:35.400 --> 0:42:37.759
<v Speaker 1>he's still a home run. He brings more excitement to

0:42:37.800 --> 0:42:41.440
<v Speaker 1>that program than anyone else they could have possibly hired.

0:42:42.040 --> 0:42:44.640
<v Speaker 1>If you're UCLA, you absolutely have to take a chance

0:42:44.640 --> 0:42:47.320
<v Speaker 1>and see what Chip Kelly can bring can bring the Westwood.

0:42:47.320 --> 0:42:50.919
<v Speaker 1>So I'm fine. Sure, I'm fine with labeling him as

0:42:51.080 --> 0:42:53.160
<v Speaker 1>a home run, but not Kevin someone.

0:42:54.120 --> 0:42:56.480
<v Speaker 2>So let's do you want to start with the macro

0:42:56.600 --> 0:42:57.240
<v Speaker 2>the big picture?

0:42:57.560 --> 0:42:59.719
<v Speaker 1>Sure you can go ahead. All right.

0:42:59.760 --> 0:43:03.439
<v Speaker 2>So is somebody running the PAC twelve maybe?

0:43:03.520 --> 0:43:06.600
<v Speaker 1>Yes? Is really so? I have been.

0:43:06.920 --> 0:43:10.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm a big proponent of swings and that's another that's

0:43:10.040 --> 0:43:11.520
<v Speaker 2>another baseball.

0:43:11.040 --> 0:43:13.520
<v Speaker 1>Term, swings. Okay, go on.

0:43:14.280 --> 0:43:18.040
<v Speaker 2>So the PAC twelve has been rightly criticized for the

0:43:18.080 --> 0:43:20.719
<v Speaker 2>way it's media deal has unfolded. They decided to keep

0:43:20.760 --> 0:43:24.279
<v Speaker 2>one hundred percent of the network, and the PAC twelve

0:43:24.320 --> 0:43:27.719
<v Speaker 2>network hasn't gotten the type of distribution I think that

0:43:27.800 --> 0:43:31.279
<v Speaker 2>they were hoping it would in some form with you know,

0:43:31.360 --> 0:43:34.040
<v Speaker 2>direct TV and digital means and whatever. You know, a

0:43:34.040 --> 0:43:37.360
<v Speaker 2>lot of a lot of complaints about bigger games starting,

0:43:37.600 --> 0:43:41.080
<v Speaker 2>and by complaints, I'm sort of separating it from myself.

0:43:41.200 --> 0:43:43.399
<v Speaker 1>It's me. It's me complaining. It's well, so, okay, here

0:43:43.440 --> 0:43:46.120
<v Speaker 1>here's what this means. What this means that what people

0:43:46.239 --> 0:43:48.920
<v Speaker 1>might read about you can't get the PAC twelve network

0:43:48.960 --> 0:43:52.239
<v Speaker 1>on direct TV? Correct, you still can't get it on DirecTV.

0:43:52.320 --> 0:43:54.239
<v Speaker 1>They've had the network, don't believe you.

0:43:54.160 --> 0:43:58.280
<v Speaker 2>Can get it on like a Roku or an Apple

0:43:58.320 --> 0:44:00.640
<v Speaker 2>TV as a standalone you can get at it, you

0:44:00.640 --> 0:44:03.880
<v Speaker 2>know via you know whatever service, YouTube or Hulu or

0:44:03.920 --> 0:44:04.759
<v Speaker 2>something that like that.

0:44:04.800 --> 0:44:08.960
<v Speaker 1>Correct, right, You're basically you're limited and it's still is

0:44:09.000 --> 0:44:10.960
<v Speaker 1>stuck in a lot of craws that you can't get

0:44:10.960 --> 0:44:14.960
<v Speaker 1>it on direct TV. There's a lot of finger pointing

0:44:15.000 --> 0:44:18.520
<v Speaker 1>as to why that's the case. The conventional wisdom, and

0:44:18.560 --> 0:44:20.719
<v Speaker 1>the one that seems to make the most sense to me,

0:44:21.560 --> 0:44:26.359
<v Speaker 1>is that the PAC twelve network deployed this strategy where

0:44:26.360 --> 0:44:28.800
<v Speaker 1>they were going to go out to individual cable providers,

0:44:28.840 --> 0:44:31.480
<v Speaker 1>they were going to cut deals, and then by proxy,

0:44:31.520 --> 0:44:35.480
<v Speaker 1>they were going to make it almost such that DirecTV

0:44:35.600 --> 0:44:37.840
<v Speaker 1>had to pick them up, that they had no choice.

0:44:37.880 --> 0:44:40.839
<v Speaker 1>It was everywhere else DirecTV would be missing out if

0:44:40.880 --> 0:44:44.960
<v Speaker 1>they didn't. That strategy has not materialized in the way

0:44:45.000 --> 0:44:47.799
<v Speaker 1>that I think the PAC twelve had envisioned, and so

0:44:47.880 --> 0:44:50.120
<v Speaker 1>it comes across as a gross miscalculation.

0:44:50.960 --> 0:44:55.520
<v Speaker 2>Sure, And so the miscalculation specifically is that instead of

0:44:55.560 --> 0:44:57.680
<v Speaker 2>partnering with an existing network in the way that the

0:44:57.680 --> 0:45:00.680
<v Speaker 2>Big ten and SEC and now AC, I think that

0:45:00.719 --> 0:45:06.520
<v Speaker 2>launches next year twenty nineteen ThEC network. The ESPN with ESPN, yeah,

0:45:06.760 --> 0:45:11.560
<v Speaker 2>is that they are foregoing leverage to say, you know,

0:45:11.800 --> 0:45:14.560
<v Speaker 2>ESPN suddenly has you know, if ESPN has the Pack

0:45:14.600 --> 0:45:18.080
<v Speaker 2>twelve network, they can say okay, unless you accept the

0:45:18.120 --> 0:45:20.520
<v Speaker 2>PAC twelve network as part of a standard dealer, as

0:45:20.560 --> 0:45:23.680
<v Speaker 2>part of this kind of tier direct TV, you know,

0:45:24.080 --> 0:45:26.279
<v Speaker 2>we're not sure if we can do this for you

0:45:26.400 --> 0:45:28.960
<v Speaker 2>or that for you. You know, obviously everybody is going to

0:45:29.000 --> 0:45:31.680
<v Speaker 2>need ESPN that is a sports fan that has DirectTV,

0:45:32.360 --> 0:45:35.080
<v Speaker 2>which is a company that directly tries to appeal to

0:45:35.080 --> 0:45:37.960
<v Speaker 2>sports fans with their NFL Sunday ticket package and whatever,

0:45:38.880 --> 0:45:42.520
<v Speaker 2>and it's a national satellite package whatever. I'm saying whatever

0:45:42.560 --> 0:45:45.520
<v Speaker 2>a lot because I'm trying to get past my frustration

0:45:45.760 --> 0:45:48.880
<v Speaker 2>with this. The PAC twelve though, it took a swing,

0:45:50.160 --> 0:45:52.640
<v Speaker 2>it tried to do something new, it tried to get attention.

0:45:52.719 --> 0:45:56.400
<v Speaker 2>It did get attention, It tried to take chances, and

0:45:56.480 --> 0:45:59.239
<v Speaker 2>I am all for this, but you need to have

0:45:59.280 --> 0:46:03.040
<v Speaker 2>a backup and things don't go as you know, maybe

0:46:03.040 --> 0:46:05.719
<v Speaker 2>it's ESPN owns a third of it, or Fox owns

0:46:05.719 --> 0:46:07.480
<v Speaker 2>a third of it, maybe it's you keep two thirds

0:46:07.480 --> 0:46:09.480
<v Speaker 2>of it, whatever, so you retain a lot of creative

0:46:09.520 --> 0:46:14.080
<v Speaker 2>control and distribution control or whatever. But so I appreciate that.

0:46:14.120 --> 0:46:17.120
<v Speaker 2>I appreciate going out on a limb to do something new,

0:46:17.440 --> 0:46:19.960
<v Speaker 2>but no backup plan and the fact that and I

0:46:20.000 --> 0:46:21.479
<v Speaker 2>know people are going to point to the Bowl record

0:46:21.560 --> 0:46:25.919
<v Speaker 2>last year that's super embarrassing. Well that's it's not it's

0:46:25.960 --> 0:46:29.799
<v Speaker 2>not meaningful, but it's very public, which there is a

0:46:30.200 --> 0:46:31.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, I think there is a gray area between

0:46:31.960 --> 0:46:35.719
<v Speaker 2>those two things. So I am I am positive the

0:46:35.760 --> 0:46:38.960
<v Speaker 2>PAC twelve will be fine because the PAC twelve was

0:46:39.000 --> 0:46:42.160
<v Speaker 2>never going to be the SEC or the Big ten

0:46:42.280 --> 0:46:45.919
<v Speaker 2>or even the ACC in terms of viewer interests. They

0:46:45.960 --> 0:46:48.240
<v Speaker 2>just need to do a better deal of a better

0:46:48.440 --> 0:46:52.239
<v Speaker 2>job of figuring out how to get good coaches out West,

0:46:52.239 --> 0:46:54.120
<v Speaker 2>which I think is a challenge on the way up,

0:46:54.920 --> 0:46:57.840
<v Speaker 2>and putting their games in whether it's you know, the

0:46:57.880 --> 0:47:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Friday night Thursday night thing sucks, but if you scare

0:47:00.320 --> 0:47:02.440
<v Speaker 2>around it makes your teams have buys and everything like that.

0:47:02.480 --> 0:47:02.960
<v Speaker 1>It works.

0:47:03.320 --> 0:47:05.000
<v Speaker 2>You need to get your team's attention. You need to

0:47:05.080 --> 0:47:08.680
<v Speaker 2>market these games, and especially when you have a ranked

0:47:08.680 --> 0:47:11.239
<v Speaker 2>Stanford against a ranked UCLA, a ranked organ against a

0:47:11.320 --> 0:47:14.719
<v Speaker 2>ranked Washington, a ranked USC against a ranked ASU, you

0:47:14.840 --> 0:47:17.200
<v Speaker 2>need to do a better job of not just putting

0:47:17.239 --> 0:47:20.600
<v Speaker 2>it at ten forty five Eastern on a Thursday. That

0:47:20.640 --> 0:47:23.279
<v Speaker 2>can never ever happen. There needs to be outs to

0:47:23.360 --> 0:47:24.080
<v Speaker 2>the scheduling.

0:47:24.640 --> 0:47:27.839
<v Speaker 1>Let me let me ask you this. I'll follow this up. Okay, Yeah,

0:47:27.920 --> 0:47:32.319
<v Speaker 1>there's no denying because of the time zone issue that

0:47:32.480 --> 0:47:36.480
<v Speaker 1>the PAC twelve is put at a disadvantage, that is

0:47:36.520 --> 0:47:38.880
<v Speaker 1>a built in disadvantage.

0:47:38.400 --> 0:47:40.839
<v Speaker 2>And it's it's smaller alumni bases.

0:47:40.640 --> 0:47:43.880
<v Speaker 1>A smaller alumni bases. There are a couple things working,

0:47:43.920 --> 0:47:48.200
<v Speaker 1>a couple of headwinds there working against the PAC twelve.

0:47:49.040 --> 0:47:52.640
<v Speaker 1>Do you feel like their inability to maybe grow the

0:47:52.760 --> 0:47:58.440
<v Speaker 1>brand is due to leadership or do more to logistical

0:47:58.480 --> 0:48:02.319
<v Speaker 1>issues things that are beyond their control, like we've referenced here.

0:48:03.880 --> 0:48:06.680
<v Speaker 2>So it's I mean, it's always going to be column A,

0:48:06.800 --> 0:48:09.760
<v Speaker 2>columnbe column C. I think the thing that's probably hurt

0:48:10.239 --> 0:48:15.080
<v Speaker 2>the PAC twelve the most is that on the biggest stages,

0:48:15.719 --> 0:48:18.120
<v Speaker 2>and I'm not talking about the Holiday Bowl or something

0:48:18.160 --> 0:48:22.880
<v Speaker 2>like that. I'm talking USC, Alabama, Oregon, LSU at the

0:48:22.920 --> 0:48:26.160
<v Speaker 2>beginning of the season, Oregon fading the back half of

0:48:26.200 --> 0:48:32.920
<v Speaker 2>the Mark Helfridge era, Washington being really good, but difficult

0:48:32.960 --> 0:48:35.439
<v Speaker 2>to market, I would say, is that fair?

0:48:35.719 --> 0:48:36.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Yeah, yeah.

0:48:36.960 --> 0:48:39.400
<v Speaker 2>Style of play is just very efficient to nothing, you

0:48:39.440 --> 0:48:43.440
<v Speaker 2>know too electric UCLA being down as long as they have,

0:48:43.560 --> 0:48:46.600
<v Speaker 2>the Arizona schools never really breaking through. I would say

0:48:46.600 --> 0:48:49.839
<v Speaker 2>realignment hasn't been the best for the Pac twelve. That's

0:48:49.880 --> 0:48:51.759
<v Speaker 2>a whole other thing. Ty if we could add, like

0:48:51.800 --> 0:48:55.000
<v Speaker 2>a bonus question, are we sure realignment has been exciting

0:48:55.040 --> 0:48:55.920
<v Speaker 2>for college football?

0:48:56.040 --> 0:48:58.160
<v Speaker 1>Totally a totally different question, but sure.

0:48:58.480 --> 0:49:01.480
<v Speaker 2>But for the Pac twelve specific, Colorado and Utah have

0:49:01.600 --> 0:49:09.200
<v Speaker 2>not driven national or even huge regional interest. So I

0:49:09.239 --> 0:49:12.680
<v Speaker 2>think it's a combination of all of these things. The

0:49:13.160 --> 0:49:16.719
<v Speaker 2>quickest way for the Pac twelve to see an uptick

0:49:16.960 --> 0:49:21.400
<v Speaker 2>in attention and ratings, and you know, how to market themselves.

0:49:21.960 --> 0:49:24.200
<v Speaker 2>You've got to win big games on big stages and

0:49:24.239 --> 0:49:28.120
<v Speaker 2>make people aware of your brand as something impressive and

0:49:28.160 --> 0:49:30.000
<v Speaker 2>worth watching. In Oregon did a good job of that,

0:49:30.320 --> 0:49:33.239
<v Speaker 2>USC did a phenomenal job of that for about six, seven,

0:49:33.280 --> 0:49:37.200
<v Speaker 2>eight years. But beyond that, the PAC twelve's margin for

0:49:37.400 --> 0:49:42.440
<v Speaker 2>error when it comes to attention and viability is so

0:49:42.600 --> 0:49:45.600
<v Speaker 2>much thinner than everybody else's in terms of Power five conference.

0:49:45.640 --> 0:49:49.479
<v Speaker 1>I would agree with that and I think because of that,

0:49:50.360 --> 0:49:52.279
<v Speaker 1>you need to come up with, as you put it,

0:49:52.600 --> 0:49:56.440
<v Speaker 1>a backup plan where you basically just flood the market.

0:49:57.440 --> 0:49:59.839
<v Speaker 1>You know, they've got all sorts of Silicon Valley tie

0:49:59.880 --> 0:50:03.560
<v Speaker 1>in as being where they are. Put your games on YouTube.

0:50:04.040 --> 0:50:06.239
<v Speaker 1>I understand that might not be profitable, but find a

0:50:06.239 --> 0:50:07.799
<v Speaker 1>way to do it. Just get it out there so

0:50:07.880 --> 0:50:10.360
<v Speaker 1>that people have something to watch. I think if you

0:50:10.400 --> 0:50:17.680
<v Speaker 1>take another chance, bet on where we're headed as media consumers,

0:50:18.120 --> 0:50:21.880
<v Speaker 1>bet on streaming, bet on cool things that maybe aren't

0:50:21.920 --> 0:50:25.520
<v Speaker 1>being tried elsewhere, Just to try and position yourself as

0:50:25.560 --> 0:50:27.640
<v Speaker 1>a conference as a forward leaning thing.

0:50:28.280 --> 0:50:31.120
<v Speaker 2>Do you watch YouTube on your TV? Not talking YouTube TV,

0:50:31.200 --> 0:50:34.200
<v Speaker 2>which I know you have, right, I'm talking specifically, will

0:50:34.239 --> 0:50:37.400
<v Speaker 2>you watch like hot ones or whatever on your TV?

0:50:38.600 --> 0:50:40.200
<v Speaker 1>Generally? Know? I do?

0:50:40.760 --> 0:50:44.759
<v Speaker 2>Okay every day? Okay, I think things are going there

0:50:44.800 --> 0:50:47.200
<v Speaker 2>more and more. I just got a new TV, right.

0:50:47.000 --> 0:50:49.120
<v Speaker 1>I just got a new TV. I don't think because

0:50:49.160 --> 0:50:51.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't watch YouTube, I don't think that's a representative sample.

0:50:52.040 --> 0:50:54.960
<v Speaker 1>I think it's getting easier to stream that kind of stuff,

0:50:54.960 --> 0:50:57.000
<v Speaker 1>and at a minimum, people are way more comfortable with

0:50:57.040 --> 0:51:00.440
<v Speaker 1>it now than they were three years ago. It is

0:51:00.480 --> 0:51:02.319
<v Speaker 1>the direction that things are headed. So if you're the

0:51:02.320 --> 0:51:07.160
<v Speaker 1>PAC twelve, really, if you're anybody to enable that kind

0:51:07.200 --> 0:51:09.359
<v Speaker 1>of distribution, I think works in your favor. I don't

0:51:09.360 --> 0:51:11.400
<v Speaker 1>know why, how do you like YouTube TV? But I

0:51:11.440 --> 0:51:13.319
<v Speaker 1>love it. I love it. I could be done a

0:51:13.360 --> 0:51:15.480
<v Speaker 1>season with it. Yet, yeah I did a season with

0:51:15.520 --> 0:51:16.080
<v Speaker 1>it last year.

0:51:16.400 --> 0:51:18.759
<v Speaker 2>You did it last year? Quality would like that. There

0:51:18.840 --> 0:51:21.359
<v Speaker 2>was no like ground grading of I could be there.

0:51:21.440 --> 0:51:24.840
<v Speaker 1>I could be there, chief evangelist for the problem.

0:51:24.920 --> 0:51:27.799
<v Speaker 2>What was the lag time between what you saw on

0:51:27.840 --> 0:51:29.480
<v Speaker 2>your screen and what you saw on Twitter?

0:51:29.600 --> 0:51:32.880
<v Speaker 1>A little difficult, A little difficult about I found that

0:51:32.920 --> 0:51:34.720
<v Speaker 1>to be the case. I had Sling TV for a season.

0:51:34.760 --> 0:51:37.880
<v Speaker 1>It was the same about fifteen seconds. But that's not

0:51:37.960 --> 0:51:42.880
<v Speaker 1>terrible in general. In general, and this is no disrespect

0:51:42.880 --> 0:51:45.759
<v Speaker 1>to our friends on Twitter. It doesn't add as much

0:51:45.840 --> 0:51:49.680
<v Speaker 1>to the experience as I think people on Twitter would

0:51:49.680 --> 0:51:53.080
<v Speaker 1>love to believe. Sure, that's fair. You just can't. You

0:51:53.120 --> 0:51:56.000
<v Speaker 1>can't watch Twitter simultaneous to again, yeah the problem.

0:51:56.120 --> 0:52:01.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I tend to because I like seeing thing that

0:52:01.400 --> 0:52:04.440
<v Speaker 2>it's not about reacting. At the same time, it's like, oh,

0:52:04.480 --> 0:52:06.640
<v Speaker 2>look at this ridiculous flip into the end zone from

0:52:07.200 --> 0:52:10.840
<v Speaker 2>Marshall UCF You know, I like having Twitter open so

0:52:10.880 --> 0:52:14.120
<v Speaker 2>I can sort of scan across, whether for visual things

0:52:14.200 --> 0:52:15.360
<v Speaker 2>or injuries or whatever.

0:52:15.600 --> 0:52:16.640
<v Speaker 1>It's a really good news feed.

0:52:16.719 --> 0:52:18.920
<v Speaker 2>So all of a sudden, like if everybody's watching Oklahoma

0:52:18.960 --> 0:52:22.960
<v Speaker 2>Texas and everybody starts screaming about, you know, a ridiculous

0:52:23.280 --> 0:52:27.120
<v Speaker 2>puna Ford pick six or something like that, that it's

0:52:27.200 --> 0:52:29.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of a bummer, not a not a deterrence, but

0:52:29.560 --> 0:52:30.160
<v Speaker 2>kind of a bummer.

0:52:30.440 --> 0:52:32.840
<v Speaker 1>It is kind of a bummer. It's going to require

0:52:33.040 --> 0:52:34.920
<v Speaker 1>a bit of a behavior change, but I think I

0:52:34.960 --> 0:52:38.680
<v Speaker 1>already adapted to it. The National Championship being a good example.

0:52:40.200 --> 0:52:43.759
<v Speaker 1>Just close the laptop for a little bit, watch broadcast.

0:52:43.920 --> 0:52:46.239
<v Speaker 1>Really take it in. Don't be distracted by what's going

0:52:46.280 --> 0:52:49.279
<v Speaker 1>on in the computer monitor or the phone of the iPad.

0:52:49.080 --> 0:52:51.160
<v Speaker 2>Like some kind of human being tied up.

0:52:51.280 --> 0:52:51.960
<v Speaker 1>Yep, you know it.

0:52:53.200 --> 0:52:54.880
<v Speaker 2>Get back to where we started from, all right. So

0:52:54.920 --> 0:52:57.799
<v Speaker 2>that that that's the PAC twelve. So I guess our

0:52:57.840 --> 0:53:02.400
<v Speaker 2>conclusion here is that, yes, someone's running it. Were sketchy

0:53:02.400 --> 0:53:05.719
<v Speaker 2>on the backup plan, and at least me and I'm

0:53:05.760 --> 0:53:09.040
<v Speaker 2>sure you would like to see them come up with

0:53:09.120 --> 0:53:12.799
<v Speaker 2>something more of a forward leaning strategy. Yeah, I mean,

0:53:12.840 --> 0:53:14.919
<v Speaker 2>I don't think the TV deals are up anytime soon,

0:53:15.200 --> 0:53:17.360
<v Speaker 2>so I don't know how exactly they can pivot.

0:53:17.400 --> 0:53:18.640
<v Speaker 1>I know they just hired somebody.

0:53:18.680 --> 0:53:21.160
<v Speaker 2>They I saw a short interview I think it was

0:53:21.200 --> 0:53:24.239
<v Speaker 2>with John Wilner from the San Jose Mercury News. They

0:53:24.360 --> 0:53:27.200
<v Speaker 2>hired somebody to sort of take over content, and a

0:53:27.280 --> 0:53:29.480
<v Speaker 2>lot of people feel very good about that. I don't

0:53:29.480 --> 0:53:32.719
<v Speaker 2>know it came from the like the Oprah network, the

0:53:32.760 --> 0:53:35.319
<v Speaker 2>owned network, I don't know. They're on Direct TV, I think,

0:53:35.440 --> 0:53:40.359
<v Speaker 2>so hopefully that's a worthwhile hire. As for the micro.

0:53:40.200 --> 0:53:43.080
<v Speaker 1>Tie, yeah, let's talk about it. And also we're.

0:53:42.960 --> 0:53:47.400
<v Speaker 2>Selling micro ties in the merch store right As for

0:53:47.440 --> 0:53:51.880
<v Speaker 2>the micro the reason why I'm asking the question, you know,

0:53:52.239 --> 0:53:55.640
<v Speaker 2>our Chip Kelly and Kevin someone the you know, these

0:53:55.719 --> 0:53:59.000
<v Speaker 2>lauded home run hires that it appears that they are

0:53:59.440 --> 0:54:06.279
<v Speaker 2>the reason I ask we're not getting them choosing to

0:54:06.400 --> 0:54:10.000
<v Speaker 2>be where they are. Chip Kelly would choose to be

0:54:10.040 --> 0:54:13.800
<v Speaker 2>in the NFL, Kevin Someone is. It's certainly a step

0:54:13.840 --> 0:54:18.120
<v Speaker 2>down from texts A and M to Arizona. And I

0:54:18.160 --> 0:54:20.239
<v Speaker 2>know a lot of people were speculating that he was

0:54:20.360 --> 0:54:23.560
<v Speaker 2>going to and should have taken a year off. I

0:54:23.600 --> 0:54:26.560
<v Speaker 2>know people were, you know, there were reports of him

0:54:26.880 --> 0:54:31.520
<v Speaker 2>interviewing with bigger jobs than Arizona. So there is a

0:54:31.680 --> 0:54:36.880
<v Speaker 2>sense to me that these two coaches I obviously identify

0:54:37.040 --> 0:54:39.680
<v Speaker 2>and it's a huge part of their entire identity as

0:54:39.680 --> 0:54:44.439
<v Speaker 2>being major football coaches. But I don't know that it's

0:54:44.560 --> 0:54:47.960
<v Speaker 2>necessarily a winning formula that they are going to places

0:54:48.040 --> 0:54:52.680
<v Speaker 2>that will hire them, right, Okay, not the other way,

0:54:52.680 --> 0:54:55.040
<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying, Like any country club that's

0:54:55.040 --> 0:54:56.960
<v Speaker 2>willing to make me a member isn't worth you know

0:54:56.960 --> 0:55:00.400
<v Speaker 2>that kind of like old grouchow marks thing that this is.

0:55:00.440 --> 0:55:03.120
<v Speaker 2>You know, Chip Kelly at UCLA is a different phase

0:55:03.239 --> 0:55:07.160
<v Speaker 2>Chip Kelly than Oregon chip Kelly. And I'm hoping that's

0:55:07.200 --> 0:55:10.400
<v Speaker 2>not the case because I've loved watching his offenses with

0:55:10.560 --> 0:55:12.960
<v Speaker 2>a great passion and hope I can still watch them.

0:55:13.200 --> 0:55:15.320
<v Speaker 2>And Kevin Somelan, if he had his brothers, would be

0:55:15.320 --> 0:55:19.400
<v Speaker 2>at a bigger place than Arizona. And I think the

0:55:20.200 --> 0:55:24.760
<v Speaker 2>this is me being bitter about something. I why couldn't

0:55:24.800 --> 0:55:29.359
<v Speaker 2>they hire ken Neomadolola. I am still bitter because I

0:55:29.440 --> 0:55:34.400
<v Speaker 2>really think that Arizona cave to short term thinking and

0:55:34.440 --> 0:55:38.880
<v Speaker 2>these are both basketball schools that need to think about

0:55:38.920 --> 0:55:42.280
<v Speaker 2>things in a different way, and Arizona just didn't.

0:55:42.760 --> 0:55:46.000
<v Speaker 1>They did. It's the exactly the same. It's the same thing.

0:55:46.600 --> 0:55:48.600
<v Speaker 1>That's that's why I'm a little blase on it. I

0:55:48.680 --> 0:55:52.000
<v Speaker 1>like Kevin someone and I like rich Rot. I just

0:55:52.040 --> 0:55:54.960
<v Speaker 1>don't know if replacing one with the other is going

0:55:55.040 --> 0:55:57.880
<v Speaker 1>to move your program forward in any real way. The

0:55:57.960 --> 0:55:59.719
<v Speaker 1>Chip Kelly thing, I'll just come back to what I

0:55:59.719 --> 0:56:02.640
<v Speaker 1>said earlier. Chip Kelly is a home run higher for

0:56:02.680 --> 0:56:05.799
<v Speaker 1>that program, I hope. So he's a home run higher.

0:56:05.800 --> 0:56:10.640
<v Speaker 1>He's a home run higher because he injects he infuses

0:56:11.239 --> 0:56:13.640
<v Speaker 1>an excitement into that football program that we haven't seen

0:56:13.680 --> 0:56:16.520
<v Speaker 1>in a long time. Maybe ever. So who knows if

0:56:16.520 --> 0:56:19.040
<v Speaker 1>it goes busts. Who knows if he is still at

0:56:19.080 --> 0:56:22.279
<v Speaker 1>UCLA in another five years. But I think the short term,

0:56:22.320 --> 0:56:23.960
<v Speaker 1>for the short term, to get him to get a

0:56:24.040 --> 0:56:27.960
<v Speaker 1>name like that and what he represents on the college

0:56:28.040 --> 0:56:30.200
<v Speaker 1>level is very exciting. So I don't see how you

0:56:30.200 --> 0:56:31.439
<v Speaker 1>could look at that any other way.

0:56:32.000 --> 0:56:36.560
<v Speaker 2>The big thing is does he view himself now because

0:56:36.560 --> 0:56:39.520
<v Speaker 2>he's been sort of forced to into it the same

0:56:39.560 --> 0:56:42.080
<v Speaker 2>way that Nick Saban looks at himself, although he did

0:56:42.080 --> 0:56:45.719
<v Speaker 2>things voluntarily. You know what, what I do and how

0:56:45.800 --> 0:56:48.400
<v Speaker 2>I operate, and the type of control I like to

0:56:48.440 --> 0:56:52.600
<v Speaker 2>have over a program perhaps works better with eighteen to

0:56:52.640 --> 0:56:56.839
<v Speaker 2>twenty two year olds than NFL players. H R Has

0:56:56.920 --> 0:57:00.480
<v Speaker 2>Chip Kelly made peace with that possibility. Probably, I don't know.

0:57:00.560 --> 0:57:04.560
<v Speaker 2>Probably not, Okay, So I think that's important. Probably not.

0:57:04.680 --> 0:57:06.880
<v Speaker 2>I think that's a tough realization to come to. And

0:57:06.920 --> 0:57:09.480
<v Speaker 2>if you're a competitive guy, if you've been at the

0:57:09.520 --> 0:57:12.239
<v Speaker 2>highest levels of the game, it's tough to sort of

0:57:12.239 --> 0:57:16.200
<v Speaker 2>force yourself back into that old box. But he's he's

0:57:16.200 --> 0:57:20.200
<v Speaker 2>a very smart dude. And obviously stories have come out

0:57:20.360 --> 0:57:23.760
<v Speaker 2>after his time in the NFL, players either anonymously or

0:57:23.800 --> 0:57:25.200
<v Speaker 2>on the record, of sad like you tried to do this,

0:57:25.320 --> 0:57:27.360
<v Speaker 2>He tried to do that, He tried, you know, wanted

0:57:27.400 --> 0:57:30.760
<v Speaker 2>us to pee every fourteen minutes, and you know was

0:57:30.920 --> 0:57:33.160
<v Speaker 2>involved in this and then tried to become a GM.

0:57:33.760 --> 0:57:38.840
<v Speaker 2>And there is a good chance that that type of control,

0:57:38.960 --> 0:57:42.200
<v Speaker 2>like having those types of fingerprints on a program or

0:57:42.240 --> 0:57:46.200
<v Speaker 2>a team, he probably realizes that that way of coaching

0:57:46.960 --> 0:57:49.840
<v Speaker 2>is better off in college than in the NFL. And

0:57:49.920 --> 0:57:51.680
<v Speaker 2>people talked about that with Jim Harbaugh too, that he

0:57:51.840 --> 0:57:56.960
<v Speaker 2>wear people down, that sometimes it's just more difficult to

0:57:57.160 --> 0:58:02.520
<v Speaker 2>only worry about coaching than it is to fully immerse

0:58:02.560 --> 0:58:07.320
<v Speaker 2>yourself in the infrastructure of basically a small company. No,

0:58:08.080 --> 0:58:11.480
<v Speaker 2>that's my doubts. That's my doubt is that Chip Kelly

0:58:11.520 --> 0:58:12.919
<v Speaker 2>has not made peace with that yet.

0:58:14.080 --> 0:58:17.160
<v Speaker 1>Fair enough. Well, there you go. So we covered about

0:58:17.200 --> 0:58:20.160
<v Speaker 1>five and a half big tough tracks here. Covered a

0:58:20.240 --> 0:58:25.360
<v Speaker 1>couple quarterback situations Shaye Patterson Tua and Jalen Hurts down

0:58:25.440 --> 0:58:29.120
<v Speaker 1>at Alabama, as well as Kyler Murray and what he

0:58:29.160 --> 0:58:33.080
<v Speaker 1>brings to the table now for Oklahoma. Also talked about

0:58:33.360 --> 0:58:37.040
<v Speaker 1>Mike Gundy on the coaching front, and then close it

0:58:37.040 --> 0:58:38.840
<v Speaker 1>out with the PAC twelve. That sounds all that sounds

0:58:38.880 --> 0:58:41.640
<v Speaker 1>like what we did absolutely So on that note, we

0:58:42.040 --> 0:58:45.960
<v Speaker 1>made kind of an announcement here, an impromptu announcement. The

0:58:46.000 --> 0:58:49.800
<v Speaker 1>live show in Chicago will be on August the eleventh.

0:58:50.240 --> 0:58:54.959
<v Speaker 1>Stay tuned for details on where. We actually don't knowwhere yet,

0:58:55.200 --> 0:58:57.440
<v Speaker 1>so as soon as we find out that information will

0:58:57.480 --> 0:58:59.919
<v Speaker 1>be sure to let you know. But keep in mind

0:59:00.000 --> 0:59:02.680
<v Speaker 1>and at some point in the next couple months, we'll

0:59:02.880 --> 0:59:05.120
<v Speaker 1>be putting tickets up for sale. We're also going to

0:59:05.120 --> 0:59:10.040
<v Speaker 1>be putting shirts and some other merchandise up for sale here, Yes,

0:59:10.040 --> 0:59:14.000
<v Speaker 1>in short order, as part of our new store experience,

0:59:14.080 --> 0:59:18.320
<v Speaker 1>which we'll then usher in our new website experience, which

0:59:18.360 --> 0:59:21.640
<v Speaker 1>should hopefully give all of our listeners in the verbalerhood

0:59:21.640 --> 0:59:23.640
<v Speaker 1>an easier way to access all the stuff that they

0:59:23.640 --> 0:59:25.680
<v Speaker 1>care about on the podcast.

0:59:27.480 --> 0:59:30.040
<v Speaker 2>You've covered a tie two months from now, hopefully I

0:59:30.040 --> 0:59:30.840
<v Speaker 2>see you before then.

0:59:31.080 --> 0:59:34.200
<v Speaker 1>We will for sure. We've got other fun shows that

0:59:34.240 --> 0:59:38.000
<v Speaker 1>are that are foot. We're ready starting to plan them out.

0:59:38.040 --> 0:59:39.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm excited about the one for next week.

0:59:40.640 --> 0:59:43.040
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, next week's gonna be a good one. Controversial,

0:59:43.080 --> 0:59:43.720
<v Speaker 2>I feel.

0:59:43.440 --> 0:59:46.560
<v Speaker 1>Like controversial, but I think it'll be fun. Yeah, I'm excited.

0:59:47.120 --> 0:59:48.800
<v Speaker 1>Anything else? Did I leave anything out?

0:59:48.920 --> 0:59:49.080
<v Speaker 2>Dan?

0:59:50.440 --> 0:59:51.680
<v Speaker 1>No, I think you hit it.

0:59:51.760 --> 0:59:54.360
<v Speaker 2>I think you, uh, you were pretty thorough with it.

0:59:54.440 --> 0:59:59.560
<v Speaker 2>And next stop one thirty two, one two, I'm going

0:59:59.600 --> 1:00:00.960
<v Speaker 2>to hit that one thirty two baby.

1:00:01.000 --> 1:00:04.440
<v Speaker 1>All right. We'll keep us posted yep on here, on Twitter,

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