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Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 2: And then and Tye, welcome back to the Soliburbo boys

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Speaker 2: and girls. My name is ty hilde Rand joining me

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Speaker 1: My good friend, the man with the plan.

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Speaker 2: Uh don't know what else I can call him, but

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Speaker 2: Dan Rubertstein, sir, how are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm good?

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Speaker 2: I got my quarter mile time to an all time

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't phrase it any other way? Yes, of course,

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Speaker 2: So it's six low six mile?

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Speaker 1: Big thanks to our guest of her last week, Adam

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Speaker 1: I think that's fair, right, There's definitely a little bit

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Speaker 1: He represents I think something that could be and something

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it'll be his third year. He'll be a junior,

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Speaker 1: I think I'll say this about your question. I'm not

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Speaker 2: I'll twist it like this, Are we sure shape Patterson

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Speaker 1: But are we sure dot dot dot ru that Tua

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Speaker 2: I think if not for Tua, there's a good chance

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Speaker 1: So I'm just.

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Speaker 1: I think that I when I see a game like

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Speaker 2: Sure if he really does not make mistakes, doesn't make

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Speaker 2: Well, it also doesn't matter as much when you have

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Speaker 2: here is the outstanding news. I think it's sort of

436
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Speaker 2: a dual prong bit of outstanding news about TUA or

437
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Speaker 2: whoever actually ends up starting schedule is not terrible. No,

438
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Speaker 2: especially in the first half of the season. They opened

439
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Speaker 2: against Louisville. Do you happen to remember who Louisville's defensive

440
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Speaker 2: coordinator is their new defense?

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Speaker 1: Oh god, they made the trade, didn't they. Well, they

442
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Speaker 1: made the trade, but then they got rid of Peter Sermon.

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Speaker 2: Hmm yeah, b v G b V I don't make

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Speaker 2: me say it. Okay, So that's pretty good. That's a

445
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Speaker 2: pretty good way to start.

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Speaker 1: So you have Louisville.

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Speaker 2: I don't forget where they're playing. I think it's Orlando

448
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Speaker 2: or something. Arkansas State, Ole miss on the road text say, now,

449
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Speaker 2: it's a Mike Elco defense with talent. Yes, I think

450
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Speaker 2: that should be by week and it's week four, somewhat intimidating.

451
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Speaker 2: They have the rage in Cajun's Week five, they go

452
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Speaker 2: to Arkansas. It's a John Chavis defense. I'm not super

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Speaker 2: thrilled with Arkansas right now. Missoo at Tennessee at LSU

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Speaker 2: in pseudo, I mean they have a bye week between them.

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Speaker 2: So it takes until that at Tennessee at LSU and

456
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Speaker 2: then Mississippi State run late October early November until I

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Speaker 2: have actual concern that a quarterback will be exposed. Whoever

458
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Speaker 2: that quarterback is, that's pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So what I'm going to say here and then

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Speaker 1: we'll move on because we've got four more of these

461
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Speaker 1: that I think are all equally riveting. I am not sure,

462
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Speaker 1: quite honestly, that Tua is better than Jalen Hurts, right.

463
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Speaker 1: I do think though, because of what we've seen out

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Speaker 1: of Jalen Hurts, I am sure I know what Jalen

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Speaker 1: Hurts is as a quarterback, and because of that, I'm

466
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Speaker 1: more excited about Tua. But Tua is by no means

467
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Speaker 1: a proven commodity at this point.

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Speaker 2: What I do like about Tua that I'm not positive

469
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Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts still possesses or does possess, and he has

470
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Speaker 2: been quite fun to watch these past couple of years

471
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Speaker 2: for the most part because of his dual threat ability

472
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Speaker 2: is TUA doesn't care. Tua will go down field. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I'm not even talking about that play that the Devonte

474
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Speaker 2: Smith ridiculous, you know, throw over covered too. I'm just

475
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Speaker 2: I look at two and I say this, this dude

476
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Speaker 2: is going to just gun it in. He's going to

477
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Speaker 2: throw down field, He's going to connect, and I think

478
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Speaker 2: he is more of a playmaker with his arm and

479
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Speaker 2: has a fearless quality that I don't think Jalen Hurts

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Speaker 2: quite possesses that. It seems like, barring some kind of

481
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Speaker 2: fall camp melt down, I know he was sort of

482
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Speaker 2: nicked up, had a finger issue, I think, or a

483
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Speaker 2: hand issue over spring. I am more intrigued by his

484
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Speaker 2: sealing than Jalen Hurts, which is crazy, Yeah, because Jalen

485
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Speaker 2: Hurts has done nothing but lead them to the championship

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Speaker 2: game in his two seasons.

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Speaker 1: All right, where are we going next?

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Speaker 2: Here?

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Speaker 1: Your turn?

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Speaker 2: All right, let's go to Are we sure? I like,

491
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Speaker 2: you've thrown in a couple here, but I'll go to

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Speaker 2: one of mine. Are we sure that Mike Gundy is

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go positive with this. Are we sure that

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Speaker 2: Mike Gundy, Oklahoma State head coach, is not a top

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Speaker 2: eight ish coach and the clear best head coach in

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Speaker 2: the Big twelve at this point, now that theops is

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Speaker 2: couch in the Big twelve, I believe that he is.

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Speaker 2: Are we sure that he is not?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: Basically, are we sure that he is like a second

501
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Speaker 2: tier national head coach? And I understand that there are

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Speaker 2: people that are going to say, well, you know, he's

503
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Speaker 2: never been to the playoff, he's never been to, you know,

504
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Speaker 2: a huge game, and certainly in twenty eleven there's a

505
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Speaker 2: to be made that Oklahoma State.

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Speaker 1: Should have been.

507
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Speaker 2: But because of his consistency, I think they've won ten

508
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Speaker 2: games four out of the past five seasons. He consistently

509
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Speaker 2: develops NFL players. Oklahoma State is not in an advantageous

510
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Speaker 2: place within their own state, let alone the conference, and

511
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Speaker 2: certainly te Boon Pickens has poured a lot of money

512
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Speaker 2: to that program and improved things greatly, But Oklahoma is

513
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Speaker 2: without a doubt the headline program sure in Oklahoma, and

514
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Speaker 2: now that Bob Stoops is gone, who was the clear

515
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Speaker 2: answer for a very very, very long time and probably

516
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Speaker 2: in some ways underrated as a football coach, But Mike

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Speaker 2: Gundy At this point, I think there's only one other

518
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Speaker 2: coach with this claim. That's probably Gary Patterson in the

519
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Speaker 2: Big twelve. At this point, I think Mike Gundy has

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Speaker 2: done a better job within the context of Oklahoma State

521
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Speaker 2: without having the Mountain West runway that Gary Patterson has had.

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Speaker 2: I think Mike Gundy is three and two over the

523
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Speaker 2: last five years against TCU Oklahoma State is mind you.

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Speaker 2: I think Mike Gundy, to me is crazy underrated with

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Speaker 2: what he's done there and should be in conversations with

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Speaker 2: the list of college football's top tier coaches.

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Speaker 1: Wow, okay, so let's go through, first off, who the

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Speaker 1: coaches are in the Big twelve to argue whether or

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Speaker 1: not he's a top eight coach. I think is fair.

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Speaker 1: I think you can put him in the top eight

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Speaker 1: without even trying to go through all the coaches in

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Speaker 1: college football. I think he's been consistent enough at a

533
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Speaker 1: place that can be difficult to recruit to that he

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Speaker 1: deserves to be in that conversation. Yea, The bigger question

535
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Speaker 1: is is he the best in the Big twelve. So

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Speaker 1: let's go through it. Let's go through it. Matt Rule

537
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Speaker 1: at Baylor, He's better than Matt Rule at this point,

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00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: more consistent longer career. Oh yeah, yeah, accomplished. Matt Campbell

539
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 1: for sure, better than Matt Campbell. David Beatty, I'm not

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Speaker 1: even going to dignify that, right, Bill Snyder, Is he

541
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Speaker 1: better than Bill Snyder?

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Speaker 2: What depends what you want to I'm judging over like

543
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 2: the past five years, he's better. So I went back

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Speaker 2: to twenty eleven so that we can even go back

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Speaker 2: to twenty eleven. And Bill Snyder had a very good

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Speaker 2: twenty twelve with Kansas State.

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Speaker 1: I think I would say right now, I think you

548
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Speaker 1: could argue that Bill Snyder has done more with less

549
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Speaker 1: in spots throughout his career. Sure, but Mike the contact

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Speaker 1: Bill Snyder. Yes, my guddy has been so terribly consistent

551
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Speaker 1: at Oklahoma State. Rights tough to put Snyder in front

552
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Speaker 1: of him. So we're gonna say Gundy, Yeah, Lincoln Riley

553
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: really just getting started. If he continues on his current trajectory,

554
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Speaker 1: he's probably the answer in a couple of years.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean that's entirely possible. But one season

556
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Speaker 2: in without a roster, he recruited and assembled whatever. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I'm going with Gundy.

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Speaker 1: He's better than Cliff Kingsbury. He's better than Dana Holgerson.

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Speaker 1: Where it gets interesting is when you get to Tom

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Speaker 1: Herman and Gary Patterson. Okay, so Tom Herman could be

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Speaker 1: another guy who is eventually the answer here. Could operative

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Speaker 1: word could. Hasn't done a lot yet at Texas. I

563
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Speaker 1: think Texas is primed for big things. But that's really

564
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Speaker 1: been the case since we started this show back in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and eight.

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Speaker 2: True, you've never tossed in the good In twenty two

567
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Speaker 2: and nine, did they make it to the LASH Championship game?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So Tom Herman could eventually be the answer here,

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Speaker 1: probably isn't yet, doesn't have a long enough track record.

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Speaker 1: Talk to me about Gary Patterson though, Sure, what do

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Speaker 1: you want to know Mike Gundy versus Gary Patterson.

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Speaker 2: So the case is Gary Patterson's recent lows have been lower.

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Speaker 2: Gary Patterson was able to assemble a roster, and this

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Speaker 2: is credit to Gary Patterson. This is not a knock,

575
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Speaker 2: but it's something that Mike Gundy didn't have He was

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Speaker 2: able to assemble a roster and build systems in the

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Speaker 2: Mountain West, right not, you know, with the precious of

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Speaker 2: the Big twelve, and had time to sort of make

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Speaker 2: that transition in a very smooth, clean way, whereas Mike

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Speaker 2: Gundy was sort of thrust into this role unless Miles left.

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to give him a slight advantage in

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Speaker 2: that even down seasons, Oklahoma State is making bowl games.

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Speaker 2: Now there is one clear knock I think on Mike Gundy,

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Speaker 2: and in his resume, I don't believe he's won a

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Speaker 2: game in Norman. I want to say he's two and

586
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Speaker 2: twelve against Oklahoma And if we're going to espouse the

587
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Speaker 2: theory that college football is most fun when you're just

588
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 2: hoping your team wins regular season games, beats more rivals

589
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 2: than nots, and whatever happens with the playoff and with

590
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 2: bowls happens. But those are the most important things. It's

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Speaker 2: hard to say he is a top tier coach when

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Speaker 2: he's two and twelve against Arrival. That is where I

593
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,719
Speaker 2: will definitely concede ground. He's very consistent. So he's been

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00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 2: at Oklahoma State now twelve seasons. H He only had

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Speaker 2: one losing season, his first, when he went four and seven.

596
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Speaker 2: But beyond that, he's had double digit wins six times.

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Speaker 2: There are a lot of seven wins seasons in there,

598
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Speaker 2: and by a lot, I guess I only mean three.

599
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Speaker 2: He's won nine games a couple times, eight games once.

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Speaker 2: He's been very consistent, and that's really all you can

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Speaker 2: ask as a head football coach of a major college

602
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Speaker 2: institution to be that consistent when sorry, Oklahoma State, you

603
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Speaker 2: are sort of second fiddle to Oklahoma, sort of second

604
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Speaker 2: fiddle to Texas in the Big twelve in terms of prominence. Sure,

605
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Speaker 2: but to be that consistent is certainly saying something I say.

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Speaker 2: As of now, you're probably right, Okay, almost definitely the

607
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Speaker 2: best coach in the Big twelve and out recruited by

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Speaker 2: at least three schools for sure.

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Speaker 1: For sure. Now, the more I think about this, I

610
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Speaker 1: don't want to just gloss over the top eight part

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Speaker 1: of your question. Okay, top eight, he's borderline top eight,

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Speaker 1: borderline top eight. You got a lot of coaching, ammo,

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Speaker 1: in the sec you got it. Do you think coach?

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Speaker 2: Do you think Jim Harbaugh is a better coach at

615
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Speaker 2: Michigan right now than Mike Gundy at Oklahoma State. No,

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Speaker 2: I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: No, but top eight, top eight's pushing it. He's a

618
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Speaker 1: bubble team if you're cut off his top eight. A

619
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Speaker 1: lot of coaching AMO in the SEC, a lot of

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Speaker 1: coaching AMO in the Big ten, a lot of coaching

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Speaker 1: AMMO in the PAC twelve, even though we're going to

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Speaker 1: talk about the Pac twelve and a more negative connotation

623
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Speaker 1: in a little bit. But top bights, top bits pushing it.

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Speaker 1: He's a bubble team in that regard. Okay, fair enough,

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Speaker 1: change my mind mid mid question here, Dan, Okay, I

626
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Speaker 1: think he's a threat, a top eight threat. Fair let's

627
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Speaker 1: stay in the Big twelve here for this next question.

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Speaker 1: Another one.

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Speaker 2: Actually, I've got the tweet deck up and we had

630
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Speaker 2: a gentleman by the name of Justin Hm who wanted

631
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Speaker 2: to talk about Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to put this spin on it. Okay, are

633
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Speaker 1: we sure that Kyler Murray is worth all the emotional

634
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: energy for Oklahoma fans? Wow?

635
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Speaker 2: What a complicated way of thinking about it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, college football is nothing if not an emotional game. Dan,

637
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Speaker 1: That's why I've trace it the way I do So

638
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:25,760
Speaker 1: here's where we're at. Okay, Oklahoma fans were incredibly fortunate

639
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: to have Baker Mayfield as their quarterback for the last

640
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: couple of years. Baker won the Heisman, Baker took them

641
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: to New Heights, obviously made the playoff, just an electric player,

642
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: an incredible offense last season in Norman, record setting in

643
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Speaker 1: many regards. Yeah, of course, so that was all in

644
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley's first year. And all the while, they've had

645
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: this guy, Kyler Murray, who came over from Texas A

646
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Speaker 1: and M when that situation went boom. He's been the backup.

647
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Speaker 1: He's been the backup and waiting. Now he kind of

648
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: gets his chance to step into the limelight. He's a

649
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 1: smaller guy than Baker Mayfield. He's listed at like five

650
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: eleven one point eighty eight, one ninety somewhere in that regard.

651
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield wasn't your prototypical NFL starting quarterback mold either,

652
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: But Kyler is is smaller. He's smaller, might be more

653
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: gifted as a runner, remains to be seen how gifted

654
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 1: he is as a thrower in comparison to Baker Mayfield.

655
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 1: But nonetheless, he's got a lot of talent, and there's

656
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: great reason to be excited. The other subplot is that

657
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray was just drafted ninth overall by the Oakland

658
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: A's and the Major League Baseball Draft. Today he signed

659
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: a deal with the A's. He's going to get five

660
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: million dollars and get this the right to play football,

661
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 1: but only this season for Oklahoma. Yeah, only this season.

662
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 1: So he's basically a one and done, which is a

663
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: crazy risk by the A's. But when you layer the

664
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: baseball on top of the fact that we still got

665
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: a limited amount of data on this kid as a

666
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: football player, he's certainly not going to grow with the

667
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: Oklahoma program. He's probably an injury risk given his smaller stature.

668
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: If I'm an Oklahoma fan, Dan, it almost feels like

669
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: a publicity stunt. I know it isn't, but I would

670
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: just be very skeptical that this whole thing is going

671
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: to work.

672
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 2: All fair and was extraordinary in high school and inconsistent

673
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 2: but made some play as a tex A and m

674
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 2: while he was there briefly. I think what I think,

675
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 2: there's an assumption that because of the combination of Kyler

676
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 2: Murray's talent, his undeniable talent, the talent around him on

677
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 2: Oklahoma's offense, the continuity of coaches now with Lincoln Riley

678
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 2: and the coaches around Lincoln Riley, and Lincoln Riley's brain,

679
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 2: coupled with Kyler Murray's ability that things are just going

680
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 2: to continue apace in Norman. What I think that does

681
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 2: unintentionally that line of thinking is it says Baker Mayfield

682
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 2: was like a system guy at there's a little bit

683
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 2: of that, and I think it devalues and sort of

684
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 2: under like under rates or whatever, or dismisses almost just

685
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 2: how ridiculous Baker Mayfield was. Like, Lincoln Riley can come

686
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 2: up with these plays, and he certainly did, and he

687
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 2: can his play calling can be timely. Baker Mayfield throws

688
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 2: a hell of a ball. Baker Mayfield did not back

689
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 2: down from any throws, from any plays. Baker Mayfield is

690
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 2: a generational talent for Oklahoma, as strange as it is

691
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 2: to say, he was just mind bogglingly efficient. And so

692
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 2: I think the line of thinking is, while somebody as

693
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 2: talented as Kyler Murray can surely keep that going in Norman.

694
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 2: And I don't know if that's the case, And I

695
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 2: don't know if it's because he's slight of build. I

696
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 2: would be a little bit more worried about how things

697
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 2: transpired when it got rough at texts A and M

698
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 2: with his offensive coaches and you know, reportedly with his

699
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,240
Speaker 2: dad and coaches. That to me, and certainly Baker Mayfield

700
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 2: has you know, there are stories about Baker Mayfield's dad,

701
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 2: sure or not, but that to me is a little

702
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 2: bit more worrisome from Afar. Granted that we are just

703
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 2: penciling in the empire to continue when what Baker Mayfield

704
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 2: did is essentially impossible.

705
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: Man, it is just tough when you know going in

706
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: that any success you have at quarterback is going to

707
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: be short lived. You know, like I guess maybe you

708
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: treat it like a grad transfer. We're all kind of

709
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: conditioned for that. Yeah, you just know they're going to

710
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 1: be fans who demand total commitment to the team, you know,

711
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:54,919
Speaker 1: pick one or the other.

712
00:38:55,520 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 2: It's tough to be that kind of pragmat at like

713
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. No, it's it's impossible when you know,

714
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 2: play quarterback for Oklahoma, play minor league baseball and hope

715
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 2: because I think everybody looks at him baseball wise, and

716
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,240
Speaker 2: I will never pretend to be some kind of baseball scout,

717
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 2: but they look at him as you know, unbelievable athleticism

718
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 2: and bat speed is off the charts, and you know,

719
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 2: has taken huge strides, but still green, still a project,

720
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 2: whereas with football there is I think he's more of

721
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 2: a known quantity. I don't It doesn't appear that like

722
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 2: he is going to be a first or second round

723
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:37,959
Speaker 2: NFL player, But you know who knows. It's tough though,

724
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 2: to say, forego the glory of playing quarterback at Oklahoma

725
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 2: versus playing you know what, does he play? Second base? Shortstop?

726
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 1: Feel he's a center fielder.

727
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 2: Oh, he's a center fielder. Okay, so there is some

728
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 2: glory in center field, you know, picking off home runs

729
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 2: over the wall, whatever. But to play baseball and to

730
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 2: look at baseball as a a moment of glory, I

731
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 2: think it's tougher. That's you know, that's my dumb opinion.

732
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 2: We're in our football podcast.

733
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,760
Speaker 1: We're in our thirties. Yes, that's true, and have never

734
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: achieved any height such as this on the athletic stage.

735
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 2: Ty you missed. It's a minute thirty three quarter mile, Tye.

736
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 2: It's a minute thirty three, which might not sound fast

737
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 2: to anybody listening, and that's because it's not so.

738
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:28,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, Dan, this is a weird one.

739
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 2: If you're an Oklahoma fan, I think you treat it

740
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 2: like a grad transfer.

741
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 1: I think you enjoy the ride. You hope, for Kyler's

742
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: sake that doesn't blow a knee. But either way, congrats

743
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: to him on getting drafted, because that's really awesome. And

744
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: you know, let's just see how this all goes. Two

745
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: more here, Yeah, should we just combine them? Sure, let's

746
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: do it because we're running short on time. So we've

747
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 1: got two. We've got two packed twelve related questions.

748
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 2: The questions a manned pack twelve con.

749
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: The question that I wanted to ask is is higher level?

750
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 1: And it was are we sure that there is someone

751
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: actually running the PAC twelve conference, someone actually creating a

752
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,720
Speaker 1: long term strategy for the PAC twelve conference?

753
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 2: Right?

754
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 1: Yours was more micro in the sense you asked, are

755
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 1: we sure that the universally lauded PAC twelve South hires

756
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: not her Edwards. We're going to exclude him from this equation,

757
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: but might be successful. But yeah, are we sure that

758
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly and Kevin someone are the home run highers

759
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: that we've been led to believe, right. So I'll answer

760
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: that second question by saying that I am not at

761
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: all convinced that Kevin Someone's a home run higher for

762
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: many of the reasons that I have mentioned over the

763
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: last couple months here on the podcast. He feels a

764
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: lot to me like the previous guy, like rich Rodriguez.

765
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: There's a lot of overlap there, and because of that,

766
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: I don't feel like he gives them a whole lot

767
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 1: more than where they were at previously. So unless you've

768
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: got a different definition of home run higher, I think

769
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: he's a capable replacement, and I think a change of scenery,

770
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: both for him and maybe for Rich Rod is a

771
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: good thing for them Professionally. I think it'll work out

772
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,720
Speaker 1: just fine for Arizona. But if they end up looking

773
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: exactly the way that they looked in twenty seventeen, I

774
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: will not at all be surprised. For UCLA, Chip Kelly's

775
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: a home run. He can go five and seven and

776
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: he's still a home run. He brings more excitement to

777
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: that program than anyone else they could have possibly hired.

778
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: If you're UCLA, you absolutely have to take a chance

779
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 1: and see what Chip Kelly can bring can bring the Westwood.

780
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,919
Speaker 1: So I'm fine. Sure, I'm fine with labeling him as

781
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: a home run, but not Kevin someone.

782
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 2: So let's do you want to start with the macro

783
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 2: the big picture?

784
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: Sure you can go ahead. All right.

785
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,439
Speaker 2: So is somebody running the PAC twelve maybe?

786
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: Yes? Is really so? I have been.

787
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 2: I'm a big proponent of swings and that's another that's

788
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 2: another baseball.

789
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: Term, swings. Okay, go on.

790
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 2: So the PAC twelve has been rightly criticized for the

791
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 2: way it's media deal has unfolded. They decided to keep

792
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 2: one hundred percent of the network, and the PAC twelve

793
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 2: network hasn't gotten the type of distribution I think that

794
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 2: they were hoping it would in some form with you know,

795
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 2: direct TV and digital means and whatever. You know, a

796
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 2: lot of a lot of complaints about bigger games starting,

797
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 2: and by complaints, I'm sort of separating it from myself.

798
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 1: It's me. It's me complaining. It's well, so, okay, here

799
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: here's what this means. What this means that what people

800
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: might read about you can't get the PAC twelve network

801
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: on direct TV? Correct, you still can't get it on DirecTV.

802
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: They've had the network, don't believe you.

803
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:58,280
Speaker 2: Can get it on like a Roku or an Apple

804
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 2: TV as a standalone you can get at it, you

805
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 2: know via you know whatever service, YouTube or Hulu or

806
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 2: something that like that.

807
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: Correct, right, You're basically you're limited and it's still is

808
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: stuck in a lot of craws that you can't get

809
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: it on direct TV. There's a lot of finger pointing

810
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: as to why that's the case. The conventional wisdom, and

811
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: the one that seems to make the most sense to me,

812
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 1: is that the PAC twelve network deployed this strategy where

813
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 1: they were going to go out to individual cable providers,

814
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: they were going to cut deals, and then by proxy,

815
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: they were going to make it almost such that DirecTV

816
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: had to pick them up, that they had no choice.

817
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 1: It was everywhere else DirecTV would be missing out if

818
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: they didn't. That strategy has not materialized in the way

819
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 1: that I think the PAC twelve had envisioned, and so

820
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: it comes across as a gross miscalculation.

821
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 2: Sure, And so the miscalculation specifically is that instead of

822
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 2: partnering with an existing network in the way that the

823
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 2: Big ten and SEC and now AC, I think that

824
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 2: launches next year twenty nineteen ThEC network. The ESPN with ESPN, yeah,

825
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 2: is that they are foregoing leverage to say, you know,

826
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 2: ESPN suddenly has you know, if ESPN has the Pack

827
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 2: twelve network, they can say okay, unless you accept the

828
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 2: PAC twelve network as part of a standard dealer, as

829
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 2: part of this kind of tier direct TV, you know,

830
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 2: we're not sure if we can do this for you

831
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 2: or that for you. You know, obviously everybody is going to

832
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 2: need ESPN that is a sports fan that has DirectTV,

833
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 2: which is a company that directly tries to appeal to

834
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 2: sports fans with their NFL Sunday ticket package and whatever,

835
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 2: and it's a national satellite package whatever. I'm saying whatever

836
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 2: a lot because I'm trying to get past my frustration

837
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 2: with this. The PAC twelve though, it took a swing,

838
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 2: it tried to do something new, it tried to get attention.

839
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 2: It did get attention, It tried to take chances, and

840
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 2: I am all for this, but you need to have

841
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 2: a backup and things don't go as you know, maybe

842
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 2: it's ESPN owns a third of it, or Fox owns

843
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 2: a third of it, maybe it's you keep two thirds

844
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 2: of it, whatever, so you retain a lot of creative

845
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 2: control and distribution control or whatever. But so I appreciate that.

846
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 2: I appreciate going out on a limb to do something new,

847
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 2: but no backup plan and the fact that and I

848
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:21,479
Speaker 2: know people are going to point to the Bowl record

849
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:25,919
Speaker 2: last year that's super embarrassing. Well that's it's not it's

850
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 2: not meaningful, but it's very public, which there is a

851
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 2: you know, I think there is a gray area between

852
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 2: those two things. So I am I am positive the

853
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 2: PAC twelve will be fine because the PAC twelve was

854
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 2: never going to be the SEC or the Big ten

855
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,919
Speaker 2: or even the ACC in terms of viewer interests. They

856
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,240
Speaker 2: just need to do a better deal of a better

857
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 2: job of figuring out how to get good coaches out West,

858
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 2: which I think is a challenge on the way up,

859
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 2: and putting their games in whether it's you know, the

860
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 2: Friday night Thursday night thing sucks, but if you scare

861
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 2: around it makes your teams have buys and everything like that.

862
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: It works.

863
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 2: You need to get your team's attention. You need to

864
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 2: market these games, and especially when you have a ranked

865
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 2: Stanford against a ranked UCLA, a ranked organ against a

866
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 2: ranked Washington, a ranked USC against a ranked ASU, you

867
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 2: need to do a better job of not just putting

868
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 2: it at ten forty five Eastern on a Thursday. That

869
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 2: can never ever happen. There needs to be outs to

870
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 2: the scheduling.

871
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 1: Let me let me ask you this. I'll follow this up. Okay, Yeah,

872
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 1: there's no denying because of the time zone issue that

873
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: the PAC twelve is put at a disadvantage, that is

874
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 1: a built in disadvantage.

875
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 2: And it's it's smaller alumni bases.

876
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 1: A smaller alumni bases. There are a couple things working,

877
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: a couple of headwinds there working against the PAC twelve.

878
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: Do you feel like their inability to maybe grow the

879
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: brand is due to leadership or do more to logistical

880
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 1: issues things that are beyond their control, like we've referenced here.

881
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 2: So it's I mean, it's always going to be column A,

882
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 2: columnbe column C. I think the thing that's probably hurt

883
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 2: the PAC twelve the most is that on the biggest stages,

884
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 2: and I'm not talking about the Holiday Bowl or something

885
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 2: like that. I'm talking USC, Alabama, Oregon, LSU at the

886
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 2: beginning of the season, Oregon fading the back half of

887
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 2: the Mark Helfridge era, Washington being really good, but difficult

888
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,439
Speaker 2: to market, I would say, is that fair?

889
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yeah.

890
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 2: Style of play is just very efficient to nothing, you

891
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 2: know too electric UCLA being down as long as they have,

892
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 2: the Arizona schools never really breaking through. I would say

893
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 2: realignment hasn't been the best for the Pac twelve. That's

894
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 2: a whole other thing. Ty if we could add, like

895
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 2: a bonus question, are we sure realignment has been exciting

896
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 2: for college football?

897
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: Totally a totally different question, but sure.

898
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 2: But for the Pac twelve specific, Colorado and Utah have

899
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 2: not driven national or even huge regional interest. So I

900
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 2: think it's a combination of all of these things. The

901
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 2: quickest way for the Pac twelve to see an uptick

902
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 2: in attention and ratings, and you know, how to market themselves.

903
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 2: You've got to win big games on big stages and

904
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 2: make people aware of your brand as something impressive and

905
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 2: worth watching. In Oregon did a good job of that,

906
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 2: USC did a phenomenal job of that for about six, seven,

907
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 2: eight years. But beyond that, the PAC twelve's margin for

908
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 2: error when it comes to attention and viability is so

909
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 2: much thinner than everybody else's in terms of Power five conference.

910
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:49,479
Speaker 1: I would agree with that and I think because of that,

911
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: you need to come up with, as you put it,

912
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: a backup plan where you basically just flood the market.

913
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 1: You know, they've got all sorts of Silicon Valley tie

914
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: in as being where they are. Put your games on YouTube.

915
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: I understand that might not be profitable, but find a

916
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 1: way to do it. Just get it out there so

917
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 1: that people have something to watch. I think if you

918
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: take another chance, bet on where we're headed as media consumers,

919
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 1: bet on streaming, bet on cool things that maybe aren't

920
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: being tried elsewhere, Just to try and position yourself as

921
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: a conference as a forward leaning thing.

922
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 2: Do you watch YouTube on your TV? Not talking YouTube TV,

923
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 2: which I know you have, right, I'm talking specifically, will

924
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 2: you watch like hot ones or whatever on your TV?

925
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: Generally? Know? I do?

926
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 2: Okay every day? Okay, I think things are going there

927
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 2: more and more. I just got a new TV, right.

928
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: I just got a new TV. I don't think because

929
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: I don't watch YouTube, I don't think that's a representative sample.

930
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: I think it's getting easier to stream that kind of stuff,

931
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: and at a minimum, people are way more comfortable with

932
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: it now than they were three years ago. It is

933
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 1: the direction that things are headed. So if you're the

934
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: PAC twelve, really, if you're anybody to enable that kind

935
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 1: of distribution, I think works in your favor. I don't

936
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: know why, how do you like YouTube TV? But I

937
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 1: love it. I love it. I could be done a

938
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: season with it. Yet, yeah I did a season with

939
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: it last year.

940
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 2: You did it last year? Quality would like that. There

941
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 2: was no like ground grading of I could be there.

942
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: I could be there, chief evangelist for the problem.

943
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 2: What was the lag time between what you saw on

944
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 2: your screen and what you saw on Twitter?

945
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: A little difficult, A little difficult about I found that

946
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:34,720
Speaker 1: to be the case. I had Sling TV for a season.

947
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 1: It was the same about fifteen seconds. But that's not

948
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 1: terrible in general. In general, and this is no disrespect

949
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 1: to our friends on Twitter. It doesn't add as much

950
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: to the experience as I think people on Twitter would

951
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: love to believe. Sure, that's fair. You just can't. You

952
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: can't watch Twitter simultaneous to again, yeah the problem.

953
00:51:56,120 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I tend to because I like seeing thing that

954
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 2: it's not about reacting. At the same time, it's like, oh,

955
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 2: look at this ridiculous flip into the end zone from

956
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 2: Marshall UCF You know, I like having Twitter open so

957
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 2: I can sort of scan across, whether for visual things

958
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 2: or injuries or whatever.

959
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: It's a really good news feed.

960
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 2: So all of a sudden, like if everybody's watching Oklahoma

961
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 2: Texas and everybody starts screaming about, you know, a ridiculous

962
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 2: puna Ford pick six or something like that, that it's

963
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 2: kind of a bummer, not a not a deterrence, but

964
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 2: kind of a bummer.

965
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 1: It is kind of a bummer. It's going to require

966
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 1: a bit of a behavior change, but I think I

967
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: already adapted to it. The National Championship being a good example.

968
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 1: Just close the laptop for a little bit, watch broadcast.

969
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 1: Really take it in. Don't be distracted by what's going

970
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 1: on in the computer monitor or the phone of the iPad.

971
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 2: Like some kind of human being tied up.

972
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: Yep, you know it.

973
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 2: Get back to where we started from, all right. So

974
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 2: that that that's the PAC twelve. So I guess our

975
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 2: conclusion here is that, yes, someone's running it. Were sketchy

976
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 2: on the backup plan, and at least me and I'm

977
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 2: sure you would like to see them come up with

978
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 2: something more of a forward leaning strategy. Yeah, I mean,

979
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:14,919
Speaker 2: I don't think the TV deals are up anytime soon,

980
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 2: so I don't know how exactly they can pivot.

981
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: I know they just hired somebody.

982
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 2: They I saw a short interview I think it was

983
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 2: with John Wilner from the San Jose Mercury News. They

984
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 2: hired somebody to sort of take over content, and a

985
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 2: lot of people feel very good about that. I don't

986
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 2: know it came from the like the Oprah network, the

987
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 2: owned network, I don't know. They're on Direct TV, I think,

988
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 2: so hopefully that's a worthwhile hire. As for the micro.

989
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: Tie, yeah, let's talk about it. And also we're.

990
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 2: Selling micro ties in the merch store right As for

991
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 2: the micro the reason why I'm asking the question, you know,

992
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 2: our Chip Kelly and Kevin someone the you know, these

993
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 2: lauded home run hires that it appears that they are

994
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 2: the reason I ask we're not getting them choosing to

995
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 2: be where they are. Chip Kelly would choose to be

996
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 2: in the NFL, Kevin Someone is. It's certainly a step

997
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 2: down from texts A and M to Arizona. And I

998
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 2: know a lot of people were speculating that he was

999
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 2: going to and should have taken a year off. I

1000
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 2: know people were, you know, there were reports of him

1001
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 2: interviewing with bigger jobs than Arizona. So there is a

1002
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 2: sense to me that these two coaches I obviously identify

1003
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 2: and it's a huge part of their entire identity as

1004
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:44,439
Speaker 2: being major football coaches. But I don't know that it's

1005
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 2: necessarily a winning formula that they are going to places

1006
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 2: that will hire them, right, Okay, not the other way,

1007
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like any country club that's

1008
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 2: willing to make me a member isn't worth you know

1009
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 2: that kind of like old grouchow marks thing that this is.

1010
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 2: You know, Chip Kelly at UCLA is a different phase

1011
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 2: Chip Kelly than Oregon chip Kelly. And I'm hoping that's

1012
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 2: not the case because I've loved watching his offenses with

1013
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 2: a great passion and hope I can still watch them.

1014
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 2: And Kevin Somelan, if he had his brothers, would be

1015
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 2: at a bigger place than Arizona. And I think the

1016
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:24,760
Speaker 2: this is me being bitter about something. I why couldn't

1017
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 2: they hire ken Neomadolola. I am still bitter because I

1018
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 2: really think that Arizona cave to short term thinking and

1019
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 2: these are both basketball schools that need to think about

1020
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:42,280
Speaker 2: things in a different way, and Arizona just didn't.

1021
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: They did. It's the exactly the same. It's the same thing.

1022
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: That's that's why I'm a little blase on it. I

1023
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: like Kevin someone and I like rich Rot. I just

1024
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: don't know if replacing one with the other is going

1025
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 1: to move your program forward in any real way. The

1026
00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly thing, I'll just come back to what I

1027
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: said earlier. Chip Kelly is a home run higher for

1028
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 1: that program, I hope. So he's a home run higher.

1029
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: He's a home run higher because he injects he infuses

1030
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: an excitement into that football program that we haven't seen

1031
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: in a long time. Maybe ever. So who knows if

1032
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: it goes busts. Who knows if he is still at

1033
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 1: UCLA in another five years. But I think the short term,

1034
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 1: for the short term, to get him to get a

1035
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 1: name like that and what he represents on the college

1036
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: level is very exciting. So I don't see how you

1037
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:31,439
Speaker 1: could look at that any other way.

1038
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 2: The big thing is does he view himself now because

1039
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 2: he's been sort of forced to into it the same

1040
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 2: way that Nick Saban looks at himself, although he did

1041
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 2: things voluntarily. You know what, what I do and how

1042
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 2: I operate, and the type of control I like to

1043
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 2: have over a program perhaps works better with eighteen to

1044
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:56,839
Speaker 2: twenty two year olds than NFL players. H R Has

1045
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 2: Chip Kelly made peace with that possibility. Probably, I don't know.

1046
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 2: Probably not, Okay, So I think that's important. Probably not.

1047
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 2: I think that's a tough realization to come to. And

1048
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 2: if you're a competitive guy, if you've been at the

1049
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 2: highest levels of the game, it's tough to sort of

1050
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 2: force yourself back into that old box. But he's he's

1051
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 2: a very smart dude. And obviously stories have come out

1052
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 2: after his time in the NFL, players either anonymously or

1053
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 2: on the record, of sad like you tried to do this,

1054
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 2: He tried to do that, He tried, you know, wanted

1055
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 2: us to pee every fourteen minutes, and you know was

1056
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 2: involved in this and then tried to become a GM.

1057
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 2: And there is a good chance that that type of control,

1058
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 2: like having those types of fingerprints on a program or

1059
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 2: a team, he probably realizes that that way of coaching

1060
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 2: is better off in college than in the NFL. And

1061
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 2: people talked about that with Jim Harbaugh too, that he

1062
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 2: wear people down, that sometimes it's just more difficult to

1063
00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 2: only worry about coaching than it is to fully immerse

1064
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 2: yourself in the infrastructure of basically a small company. No,

1065
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 2: that's my doubts. That's my doubt is that Chip Kelly

1066
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:12,919
Speaker 2: has not made peace with that yet.

1067
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: Fair enough. Well, there you go. So we covered about

1068
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 1: five and a half big tough tracks here. Covered a

1069
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: couple quarterback situations Shaye Patterson Tua and Jalen Hurts down

1070
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: at Alabama, as well as Kyler Murray and what he

1071
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: brings to the table now for Oklahoma. Also talked about

1072
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 1: Mike Gundy on the coaching front, and then close it

1073
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: out with the PAC twelve. That sounds all that sounds

1074
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: like what we did absolutely So on that note, we

1075
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 1: made kind of an announcement here, an impromptu announcement. The

1076
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: live show in Chicago will be on August the eleventh.

1077
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:54,959
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for details on where. We actually don't knowwhere yet,

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Speaker 1: so as soon as we find out that information will

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Speaker 1: be sure to let you know. But keep in mind

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Speaker 1: and at some point in the next couple months, we'll

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Speaker 1: be putting tickets up for sale. We're also going to

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Speaker 1: be putting shirts and some other merchandise up for sale here, Yes,

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Speaker 1: in short order, as part of our new store experience,

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Speaker 1: which we'll then usher in our new website experience, which

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Speaker 1: should hopefully give all of our listeners in the verbalerhood

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Speaker 1: an easier way to access all the stuff that they

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Speaker 1: care about on the podcast.

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Speaker 2: You've covered a tie two months from now, hopefully I

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Speaker 2: see you before then.

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Speaker 1: We will for sure. We've got other fun shows that

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Speaker 1: are that are foot. We're ready starting to plan them out.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited about the one for next week.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, next week's gonna be a good one. Controversial,

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Speaker 2: I feel.

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Speaker 1: Like controversial, but I think it'll be fun. Yeah, I'm excited.

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Speaker 1: Anything else? Did I leave anything out?

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Speaker 2: Dan?

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Speaker 1: No, I think you hit it.

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Speaker 2: I think you, uh, you were pretty thorough with it.

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Speaker 2: And next stop one thirty two, one two, I'm going

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Speaker 2: to hit that one thirty two baby.

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Speaker 1: All right. We'll keep us posted yep on here, on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: wherever the Verbowlers are, that's where you can find us.

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Speaker 1: Don't forget to look us up on Facebook, on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: on Instagram, on Reddit, on iTunes, Stitcher, Google, Spotify, tune

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Speaker 1: in all the usual hotspots. Wherever you can find a

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Speaker 1: fine podcast, you can find salverbal in the meantime for

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Speaker 1: that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein, for

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Speaker 1: myself Ti hilden Brandt will catch you all of the week.

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Speaker 1: In the meantime, stay solid, Pace,