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Speaker 1: What is happening in everybody? John Middlecoff three and Out

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Speaker 1: podcast about Monday late afternoon, just hit the record button,

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Speaker 1: just about to spit some fire, because that's what we

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Speaker 1: better for for about Friday, you know, Thursday was a

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Speaker 1: and Naggie already in the can. It's a little inside

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Speaker 1: uh podcast slash radio. You always want to have some

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Speaker 1: quite as much when you're putting a show together, like today,

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Speaker 1: I got a guy, I don't know if you've heard

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Speaker 1: of him, Andy Reid, super Bowl champion. He's on the

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Speaker 1: pod for about twenty seven minutes. So you just gotta

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Speaker 1: the can. And I also did how He Roseman that

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Speaker 1: did with coach read a little bit about the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: but just about his team and about himself, and he

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Speaker 1: was awesome. He gave me twenty seven minutes of his time,

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Speaker 1: which clearly not every coach is doing podcasts at the Combine.

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Speaker 1: But we're gonna dive into Tom Brady. We're gonna dive

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Speaker 1: into something I read today in Albert Brier's MMQB. We'll

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Speaker 1: go over some of the things that jumped out to

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Speaker 1: me at the Combine, some of the players at the Combine,

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Speaker 1: and then, like always at John Middlecoff is my Instagram

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Speaker 1: I if no one listen to show, I wouldn't do it.

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Speaker 1: Now maybe I would still in some way do it

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Speaker 1: like I did my entire life. You just talk about football,

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Speaker 1: But it is cool having a lot of people listening

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Speaker 1: you guys tell your friends about me, uh, recommend me.

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Speaker 1: I'm big. I'm a big grassroots word of mouth guy,

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Speaker 1: I thank you very much. Starry with Tom Brady and

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Speaker 1: it's starting to get a little weird, like I'm starting

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Speaker 1: to just it felt like he was coming back, then

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Speaker 1: that's kind of cool. Like some you know, what sometimes

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Speaker 1: of us that aren't Patriot fans, that just fall sports

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Speaker 1: like this is a cool, huge, potentially historic moment. It

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Speaker 1: And then he left. Now we didn't know exactly where

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Speaker 1: But I also thought like if Tom leaves, like, you

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Speaker 1: That is a long time to be quote unquote business partners.

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426
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Speaker 1: being caught up. So the scheme e value. You don't

427
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Speaker 1: just put a stamp on the Super Bowl champs and

428
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,640
Speaker 1: don't have to look back down. You say, one step

429
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,200
Speaker 1: ahead of the McCoy's and man, it's a that's how

430
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 1: it goes. And and so we're and that's a fun

431
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 1: part is going back looking at what you did, kind

432
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:21,199
Speaker 1: of evaluating the guys, maybe what you can uh that

433
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,159
Speaker 1: that extra little thing that you can give them to

434
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 1: help make them even greater than what they are. And

435
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,160
Speaker 1: we kind of go through each position and do that

436
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:31,960
Speaker 1: and see if we can't expand the offense and and

437
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:36,159
Speaker 1: take it to another level. Defensively, Spags has got a

438
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 1: ton of room because this was just his first year,

439
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,879
Speaker 1: so he's excited to get going and and and do

440
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 1: that same thing with his guys. And he's got quite

441
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 1: a few guys returning and and then you can take

442
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,640
Speaker 1: their role up even another notch. I mean, I think

443
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:53,159
Speaker 1: sometimes we forget Patrick is really young. Tyreek Hill is

444
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 1: not that old. You have a lot of premium. Even

445
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,360
Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey is not, you know, thirty eight years old.

446
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 1: You have a lot of younger players. That's I could

447
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,439
Speaker 1: obviously the quarterback is a long time but even his

448
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 1: the key guys around him. Is that something that you

449
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 1: focus on this offseason. I know you talked about it

450
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,159
Speaker 1: after the super Bowl. Keeping these guys focused. You know,

451
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 1: sometimes you can, you know, feel your own praise a

452
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:18,320
Speaker 1: little bit natural. Sure, well, you're the distractions. You mentioned

453
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,399
Speaker 1: that they're not only having during the super Bowl that

454
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,440
Speaker 1: week or a couple of weeks up to it, but afterwards,

455
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:29,479
Speaker 1: people want to pee safe and and uh, which is understandable. UH,

456
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 1: And it's a it's important that you do that. Do

457
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 1: choose the ones you want to you you want to

458
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,679
Speaker 1: take uh and take care of. But other than that,

459
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 1: then you've got to get back to work. And and

460
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 1: you can't lose that fundamental principle of work, work, work,

461
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,199
Speaker 1: and how hard it is to actually get to that spot.

462
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 1: So I mentioned that to our guys and the post

463
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 1: meeting before they took off for the off season. Um,

464
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,879
Speaker 1: and go enjoy it. Takes some time off like you

465
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:00,919
Speaker 1: do every year. It takes some time them off, but

466
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: then understand where we're at and what we need to

467
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 1: get done this offseason so we can put together another

468
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 1: good season. You feel good about just knowing that Mahomes

469
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 1: and the Honey Badger, the way they're wired, it's probably

470
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 1: not going to be that big a deal. Yeah, well

471
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 1: I feel that way. I mean, both of them, um

472
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,640
Speaker 1: have warned me out about getting iPads and and and

473
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 1: uh everything's done on iPads, as you know, so getting

474
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 1: those and going back through every one of their plays

475
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 1: to review on their own, which is a healthy thing.

476
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:35,439
Speaker 1: So um, but again, that's them. I mean, that's how

477
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 1: they how they roll. And those are your two primary

478
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,360
Speaker 1: leaders on on each side of the football. And as

479
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 1: crazy as it is, they're very similar personality types when

480
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 1: it comes to the sport. Both of them are good guys,

481
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,159
Speaker 1: work hard, and are highly intelligent off the field end

482
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: on the field. So it's, um, you know, it's good

483
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: to have those guys as as leaders for you. I

484
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 1: know they're different type of players, but you coached the

485
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,360
Speaker 1: guy in Philadelphia who's actually now in the Hall of Fame,

486
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: and Brian Dawkins and Honey Badger. It feels like there

487
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 1: are parallels. They're just in the unique galvanizing personalities on

488
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 1: their side of the ball and in the way your defense.

489
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: Like you talked about spacks this first year, but those

490
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 1: were the last four or five games. You guys were

491
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 1: allowing under twenty points every game, and how well you

492
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: played in the Super Bowl? Uh, what did he mean

493
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:27,120
Speaker 1: to you to your program? Yeah, well, he's a he's

494
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: one of those innate leaders. So you want to say

495
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: you want to develop leadership and they say, well, you

496
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 1: kind of have that or don't have it, and he's

497
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,439
Speaker 1: he's been blessed with that, or he's not afraid to

498
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: get out of the box and challenge himself and challenge

499
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 1: guys around him. Uh, knowing that his closets cleant, you

500
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 1: know that he's gonna put in the work and the

501
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 1: time and he's not gonna sure change it. And that's

502
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: how Doc was. And both of them are now in

503
00:25:55,840 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 1: the same type of defense where Uh Jim Johnson took

504
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 1: Doc's strengths and UH made that into what Brian end

505
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: up being. Um with the tenacity and skill that Brian

506
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: Brian has and Um Spaggs has done the same thing

507
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 1: with the Badger. He's taken him in and put him

508
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: in positions where he can be successful. Now you can

509
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 1: do that, I mean you got the tools to be

510
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: able to do that with so um, Torn's got that.

511
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,719
Speaker 1: I mean he's uh, he's gifted. He wants to be great.

512
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: I mean that's what that's a driving force behind it.

513
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: And Spaggs has got a scheme that allows that to

514
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: take place. And there's even more room to grow within

515
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: the scheme. So it's uh, you know, it should be

516
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,640
Speaker 1: a fun thing to watch as we go forward. He's

517
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: really one of the great stories in the NFL. I mean,

518
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: I would imagine a character reject many teams coming out

519
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: of college. About three years after that, Larry Fitzgerald's calling

520
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: him the heart and soul of their team. That's Larry

521
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,199
Speaker 1: Fitzgerald in his career. Then you know what, what's he

522
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: liked being around the person? Yeah, and you knew that

523
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: at l s U. I mean, he he had he

524
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 1: had the leadership, he loved to play. So it is

525
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: the environment that you grow up and can be can

526
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 1: be tough at times on guys, and and so he's

527
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: learned from his mistakes. A lot of people don't learn

528
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: from mistakes. So he's learned from uh experience, and and

529
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: now what you've got is his beautiful rose. I mean,

530
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 1: he's he's just uh he's a class act. And he

531
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 1: does so much for the community, especially for just being

532
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: the short period of time. And he loves kids. He's

533
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: a good father, and um, you know, and and then

534
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: the football part of it comes next. So he's a

535
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: he does a heck of a job with that. Okay,

536
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: let's talk about Super Bowl Week. By the time you

537
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 1: guys got there, your plans all in place, you approached

538
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: I would imagine the week before, like a normal week,

539
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 1: how much tweaking went on, I guess Monday through Saturday

540
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: leading up to the game. Yeah, very little. We we

541
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: we really uh put the hammer down when we're back

542
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: in Kansas City and made sure that that week, Um

543
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 1: we got everything installed. Did you approach that like you

544
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 1: were playing on that Sunday basically scheduled? Uh, That's how

545
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: we went about it. We didn't leave anything that we Okay,

546
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,719
Speaker 1: we gotta do this, uh down in Miami. There are

547
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: too many distractions and things that go on down there.

548
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: All the we had good practices. Uh. We came out

549
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: on the Monday through the pads on and practiced and

550
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: got a good practice in there, and um, and then

551
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 1: just kind of carried it, carried it through uh the

552
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: week with good practices. So and the guys, the guys

553
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: stayed stayed focused when they were out there doing what

554
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: they do. They had their media obligations and functions that

555
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: they had to take care of, but um, when they

556
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: were there, they worked their tail off. So going into

557
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: the game, and I know you say this all the time,

558
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: you think you're going into every game you're gonna win.

559
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: The way it starts kind of an up and down game.

560
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: By halftime it's a tie game. But you know, Mahomes

561
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: felt a little off. Uh, but it's not like the

562
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: Niners were humming. They only had ten points when you

563
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: win in at half and obviously it's a long halftime,

564
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: it's super Well where was your mind, dad? Was it

565
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: was something specific that you guys had to tweak? Was

566
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: there something big picture or where were you at? Yeah?

567
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: We well, listen, we felt protection wise, we had to

568
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: work a couple of things out there. He was under

569
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,239
Speaker 1: a little stress early and so I could have done

570
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: a better job just moving the pocket a little bit

571
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: more and so we started doing that the second half. Um,

572
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: he did, he had a couple of the picks. But listen,

573
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: what with the with the great ones? You keep firing, right,

574
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: So you said that I saw the NFL film just

575
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: kept telling him keep firing. Yeah, well you do. Yeah,

576
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: when I was growing up, growing up, I mean, we're

577
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: at the same age. But Larry Bird, we keep shooting you.

578
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: You look at Lebron, who's the greatest player arguably ever,

579
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: and what what did he do? Michael Jordan? What did he?

580
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: They keep shooting? Man, So Steph Curry could be over thirty,

581
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: that's right, keep shooting and so um, here we are,

582
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: um with this kid, and he's resilient to all that

583
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: that stuff. He's got a short memory, and he's got

584
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: a positive thinker and he's confident. So yeah, okay, you

585
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: had a couple of picks and um, but let's go

586
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: with this offense is explosive. It's been and we had

587
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: a little practice in the first two playoff games with this,

588
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: so um, with that, you're never completely out of this

589
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: saying until the buzzer goes off at the end. So

590
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: we just you know, he kept firing and we kept

591
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: dialing him up. And we went to a little bit

592
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: of no huddle there in the fourth quarter to try

593
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: to create some kind of rhythm as we went and

594
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: it worked out well. So when he throws the pic,

595
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,479
Speaker 1: I think there was like eleven forty left in the

596
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: game and they were up ten points. Uh in the

597
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: best rushing team in the league. Where was your mind at?

598
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: Because then, I mean the clock is kind of your enemy. Then, right, yeah, well,

599
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: you know we're our defense has really stepped up, so

600
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: um the are you know, defense just rose and uh

601
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: had a couple of great series there and um and

602
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: stopped him. And then our defense, our offense started clicking

603
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: and they clicked fast. And so you got through that

604
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,479
Speaker 1: third and the kaizollion there with the big plate uh

605
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: um to tyreek um, and then you know it was

606
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: here we come and he scored with Kelsey and then

607
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: it was kind of on. But on that play on

608
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: the third and fifteen. You know, it's been written about

609
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: and talked about. I know you drew it for Peter

610
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: King the Wasp, that the play on the Bay Area side,

611
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: everyone thinks they're a coach and they know what the

612
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: corner's supposed to do. And if you're in you know

613
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: if he if Mosley forty one has that area, he's

614
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: supposed to not break on the in breaking route. But

615
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: at the sticks, you know in third and fifteen, you

616
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: think he's not gonna throw a deep bomb. So it's

617
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: just a natural reaction for a corner. Is that the

618
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: logic behind the play of knowing that they're gonna run

619
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: cover three and that guy more than likely is going

620
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: to break on that in breaking route. Well, that's a

621
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,239
Speaker 1: complimentary play the wasps to another play that we had

622
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: run earlier. So you completely understand why you broke on it.

623
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: And then it puts a safety in a bind. You

624
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: completely understand what the safety Sometimes you get into those

625
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: we just you know, you get your play. So everybody

626
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: has these against him, and that just happened to be

627
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: right there. It was just one of those that it

628
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: was perfect coverage for the route and it was it

629
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: got you play. But um, I wouldn't sit there and go, oh,

630
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,239
Speaker 1: this guy didn't do that. He didn't do that. I mean,

631
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: it just it was one of those that, um, you

632
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: get every once. Well, it just happened to be right

633
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: there in the biggest game. It just happened. So but uh,

634
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: they're fourteen and tenner pretty good, so well can have

635
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: tender good and and Kel's kind of works the middle

636
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: of that thing. And um, I was trying to give

637
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: Peter King the drawing wasn't the actual play, it was

638
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: an evolution into the play. And then he printed that's

639
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: something buck, and I went, all right, well, you know,

640
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: I was trying to coach him up on how how

641
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: you get to it? So as a play caller, you

642
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: guys always talk about how you're thinking forward. Did you

643
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: have because third and fifteen is not easy to complete,

644
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:21,719
Speaker 1: did you have in mind something you were gonna call

645
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: on fourth and fifteen? Uh? Right, yeah, Well about that time,

646
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: you're yeah, you're down boxed a couple of store scores,

647
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: and um, you know you you surely think of that. Yeah,

648
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: then let's fast forward. You score a couple of touchdowns,

649
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: take the lead. The forty Niners kind of stumble. But

650
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: on third and long, when the ball's in the air

651
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: to Emmanuel Sanders, what's Andy Reid thinking? Um, I'm thinking

652
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: we better hustle or or it's uh he's got a trip,

653
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: or it's gotta be an overthrow, one of those two.

654
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: But uh, we were fortunate on that when he split

655
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: a double coverage on that. So um, he he's a

656
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: heck of a player. He wanted him once upon a time, right,

657
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: and he jumped to Denver. Yeah, no, he did. He did.

658
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: Uh Sama, guy got away from us and um and

659
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,919
Speaker 1: picked himself up a super Bowl win. So I didn't

660
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: feel too bad that he didn't get get one there.

661
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: But he he Um, you know, he was just jim

662
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: Jimmy was off just by a tick. He's not gonna

663
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 1: miss many of those. You know, we're fortune that that happened.

664
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 1: You played a lot of good teams in your career,

665
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 1: in the regular season and in the playoffs. But where

666
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 1: would you rank that forty niner team? Just top to

667
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: bottom of all the squad you played? Now, First of all,

668
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: I really think they've got a phenomenal head coach. I

669
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: think he does a great job, Gyle does um and

670
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: their defensive coordinator. I just think it is one of

671
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: the up and comers. Man. Yeah, you know what you

672
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: and me both man, it's uh, you got yours right

673
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: down to the bone, but mine's not far away. So yeah,

674
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: his is shined up, man, as he shined up. So

675
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: they played fast and physical, Yeah, they and and so

676
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: and they're young. So they've got a they've got a

677
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: good club, and they've got good coaches. Good players and

678
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: good coaches normally lead to success for rookie defensive end.

679
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: I think he ended the game with twelve pressures in

680
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: his whole season was pretty dominant. What do you think

681
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: of Nick Bosa? Yeah, he was tough. He was tough.

682
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 1: He um uh, you know that was the third time

683
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 1: we've had to face a Boza, you know, in the year.

684
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 1: So his brother and he never coming. Now, there there's

685
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: something in that that was in that refrigerator. Man, they

686
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: they've they were eating the right thing. So, um, his

687
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: his future is is great. Sky's the limit for him.

688
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: And listen, he that whole defensive line is a good

689
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: defensive line. So he's surrounded by good players. So chipping

690
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: him what you chip him? You might if three other

691
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: guys coming at you, so you can't chip them all. Um,

692
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: but he's a heck of a football player. Two of

693
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: them look like they should be in the NBA. Uh

694
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: us both of the same school, right, So it's uh,

695
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,720
Speaker 1: that was pretty good job of Oregon recruiting those guys.

696
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: Do you think it helped that your offensive line especially

697
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 1: the tackles over the years have just played. You know,

698
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: Khalil Mack was in the division forever, the two Chargers guys,

699
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,959
Speaker 1: and then obviously Vaughan forever. And they added Bradley Chub.

700
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: I know he got hurt this year, but it's I

701
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: mean a lot of highly paid defensive ends. Yeah, yeah, So, um,

702
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: I've got a bunch of guys that have played at

703
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: Cleveland that we we snuck onto our team and and uh,

704
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 1: Cleveland let go and we were able to pick up

705
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: Andy Heck deserves a lot of the credit there on

706
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: coaching those guys up and and uh, I think he

707
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,959
Speaker 1: developed these guys well. Harric Fisher was the first round pick,

708
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: our first pick in the draft my first year um

709
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: at Kansas City, and I've watched him grow. He had

710
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: his hands full of both bows, you know, throughout the year.

711
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: But again, he one thing he does, the battles. He's

712
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: come a long way and he's done a nice shot.

713
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: So you win the super Bowl, life change. Life doesn't

714
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: change other than um, you know, it's kind of a

715
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: funny thing. You You you and I were together for

716
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: a while there, so um, you have the two one

717
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: you're you've been fortunate to be on teams that have

718
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: won two games and then for four hours out there

719
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: you get two D two and it's a different it's

720
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: a different deal. I mean, things do change, uh, perceptions,

721
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,240
Speaker 1: and and that it it puts you in a different,

722
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: different category. I guess you'd say you're the same guy

723
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: and you're going to coach the same way. But because

724
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 1: of that Super Bowl, you know you you looked at

725
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 1: a little a little different. So um, which is an

726
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: amazing it's an amazing thing about this this business. But

727
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: it's also why you work your tail off. And it's

728
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: a tribute to all our guys. And they we came

729
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: up four inches short the year before and we all

730
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: did I mean D four kind of got the blame

731
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: for but we all could have played better. I mean,

732
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 1: so um larger for errors in the big games are tiny, right,

733
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. Great, you know the it's a

734
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,399
Speaker 1: small margin there. Um. There a lot of parody once

735
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: you get to get to that level. So you know,

736
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: it was just, uh, the guys were on a mission

737
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: to get this thing done. Um. And it was great

738
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: to be a part of and and to watch um

739
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 1: And and now there's another great challenge. So once you

740
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: get the taste of this, uh, you sure want to

741
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: go back. You understand though that it's a tremendous amount

742
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 1: of work. You gotta catch a few breaks in there.

743
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: That's uh, all kinds of ups and downs in the

744
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: National Football League during the season. So you think that's

745
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 1: gonna be easy to inspire the guys, just knowing where

746
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 1: the hunted. Everyone's coming for us, even though you kind

747
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: of have been. But it's a different level when you

748
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: are the Super Bowl champs. Yeah. So, like I said,

749
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: I think there are a lot of variables that go

750
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: into it. Um, you know, whether how how you stay healthy,

751
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: that whole deal that you know works in there. Um,

752
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: they're gonna be games. Like I said, the parody is

753
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,479
Speaker 1: like nuts in this league. So even in a normal game,

754
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,760
Speaker 1: the margin between winning and losing is like seven points

755
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: in there. So they everything's narrowed down here that Um,

756
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: the ball bounces the wrong way for you, you might

757
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: played a heck of a game, but you might lose

758
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: the game. So you gotta have the ball bounce right

759
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: for you. Um, but you can't. You The one thing

760
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,240
Speaker 1: that you can you can take care of is that

761
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: that work ethic Um, and so that's where we'll put

762
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: our focus, and we'll put our focus on continuing to

763
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: grow as a team, to take our young guys and

764
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: more experience, open the package up a little bit for

765
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 1: him and uh and keep growing. What's your phone look

766
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: like after the game? You know what? I had a

767
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: little bit over to two thousand uh text messages. And

768
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: you talk about humbling, now, I mean that was a

769
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: humbling deal. And I tried to return every one of them.

770
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: It was whether it was just a heart or a

771
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: thumbs up, I was gonna get everybody back. Um. I

772
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: just I respected the fact that they people reached out. Um,

773
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: pretty humbling. Knew. Was there someone that you didn't expect

774
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: that reached out? No, not someone you didn't know. Yeah,

775
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: I probably in or something. I don't even a former

776
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: to someone, an actor I don't even know. Yeah, whether

777
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 1: there were a few actors in there, but it wasn't there.

778
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: It was people that I knew. I mean it was you.

779
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: You forget because you get so tied up in the

780
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: season and the season is fast and furious. Um, you

781
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: forget how many people that this business has brought you

782
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: across and that you've met, and how many great people

783
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: there are out there, Um, and you've been blessed. Uh,

784
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: you know, I've met What do you think about? I

785
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: know you're just kind of diving into this class, the

786
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: draft class, but there is a lot of hype behind it.

787
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: It feels like a really talented group. And Each reminded

788
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 1: me you got picking every round you know, been a while.

789
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: Yeah he's all fired up, but you got a first

790
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 1: round pick to play with. Yeah, that's right. So unless

791
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,919
Speaker 1: you use it on a player again, never know, each

792
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: is good with that. Um, Listen, I don't uh, I

793
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 1: don't get crazy on it like I used to. Um

794
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: Brett does a heck of a job with that, So

795
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: I'm uh, he coaches me upon it. I go back,

796
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: I look at the tape he wants me to look

797
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,959
Speaker 1: at evaluate the guys that he wants me to dive

798
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: in on. Um. I used to watch everybody and watch

799
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 1: every game of everybody, and I was crazy about that.

800
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: But that's not the way that I do it now. Uh.

801
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: And because I have full trust in him and you

802
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: know what he's doing. Is there an area in this

803
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: draft for your team specifically that you know you think

804
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 1: you've got to be more aggressive at because there is

805
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 1: there a position, you know. I I think where we're sitting.

806
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 1: I think if you get crazy with that part, um,

807
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 1: then you're gonna get you're gonna get slighted. I think.

808
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 1: So we're picking late round in every round, so you

809
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,919
Speaker 1: better go in with a pretty open mind and just say,

810
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: let's do what we can take the best player too,

811
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: you know, and then if it's close and you gotta

812
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 1: go by position, what you feel is you need um.

813
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: I'm not sure there's one absolute thing that that we

814
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: need um, but building depth, as you know, is so

815
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: important in this league, and we're always trying to create competition.

816
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: We think that that's important. So I think that's the

817
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,879
Speaker 1: way Brett will attack it. One big story right now.

818
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: And it feels like the coaches kind of get left

819
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: out of this is the c B A and maybe

820
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: by the time I released this, the CBA will be

821
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 1: agreed upon. But we hear so much about the players

822
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 1: and what the owners are gonna get. It feels like

823
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: you guys just lose practice to lose more time. Is

824
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: that something that you concern yourself with or you just

825
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: wait to find out the rules and then just go

826
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: from there. Yeah, Well, we're not involved with the other part. So, um,

827
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: we're pretty adjust you know. We we can adjust to

828
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: most things, a little bit chameleon and uh, we we

829
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: can change whatever is delivered to us and and go.

830
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: So we hope that the respect is there where, respects

831
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,439
Speaker 1: the opportunity for the betterment of the game, that we're

832
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: able to have time to teach and that's what we

833
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: like doing and what we get paid to do. So um,

834
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: but whatever it's dealt to us, will will work around

835
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: and through. What's the balance? When I first got to you,

836
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: it was two thousand and ten, so the year before

837
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: they signed this new deal, and you could be a

838
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: lot more physical double days exist And I didn't know this,

839
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: but coming from Pat Hill and I knew what a

840
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: physical practice look like. And you ran one too, and

841
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 1: do Staley was telling me because the next year it

842
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: became a lot softer just based on the rules. Yet

843
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: relative to the other team from what I hear, you

844
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: still run, if not the most physical, one of the

845
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: most physical camps. How do you balance that with the

846
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:41,720
Speaker 1: rules and something that you take a lot of pride

847
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: in and drills that you're not going to get rid of.

848
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:48,280
Speaker 1: But it feels like the league almost wants to take away. Yeah,

849
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: I understand. I mean you pat it up during the

850
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: season anymore, Um have I had? What do you make

851
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: them wear paths are in the season or you just

852
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: limited I do? I take it up to the to

853
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,399
Speaker 1: the midpoint and then take the pads off. I go

854
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: normally once a week, um to the midpoint once a

855
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: week with pads on, and then take them off. Um.

856
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: But I want the guys to practice fast, and I

857
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: wanted to be furious and go and uh without sustaining

858
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: concussions and injuries and all those things. Uh. We have

859
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,879
Speaker 1: things where you keep bodies off the ground. You use

860
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 1: form tackling. Don't when we have tackling, whether it's a

861
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: drill or in practice during camp, that you work your

862
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,720
Speaker 1: form tackling. Try to keep your head to the side

863
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: and use your shoulders do those things. Um. And let's

864
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 1: not cut block and do all of that. We stay

865
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: off the legs there. So, UM, where there are some

866
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 1: rules within the you know, a method of the madness.

867
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: I guess you would say within the practice. But we

868
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: try to practice as fast as we can and keep

869
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: as close to what you do in a game as

870
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: we can without killing our guys. I mean you don't

871
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 1: want to. Uh, these guys are trying to make a living,

872
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 1: so we respect that part. Were your thoughts in seventeen games? Yeah, well,

873
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 1: I think it sounds like it's gonna come to so

874
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: but they'll work that out, whether it's taking a preseason

875
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: game away, you know, whatever it might be. I'm not

876
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: sure exactly what it's gonna be, but whatever it is,

877
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:23,760
Speaker 1: it's always a given a take. So, um, whatever whatever

878
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: is dealt there, I think it will work, will work out,

879
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: and then we'll manage it. I mean that's what we

880
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 1: kind of what we do. And um, and we'll try

881
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: to keep the players as healthy as we can, you know,

882
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: as long as we can. The playoff rules would the

883
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: new ones would affected you guys this year because the

884
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: number two seed doesn't have a buy anymore, at least

885
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: what I've seen reported what we think about that. Yeah,

886
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: so a big deal to get a one or two seed. Yeah, no,

887
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: I know, I know, Um, I appreciate the rule the

888
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: way it was this year. So no, maybe if it's

889
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 1: just one that would have to get that one seed,

890
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: it was for dinner. That's a good question, you know. Uh,

891
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: that's a really good Q. I haven't even got that

892
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 1: far yet, But what's your favorite spot in Indie? You

893
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 1: know what, all these steakhouses around here pretty good. I

894
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: mean yeah, there's so many of them, and you're in

895
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: the Midwest and the cows don't have to travel far.

896
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: You have favorite spot in Kansas City? Kansas City, you

897
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: know what they're They're a tun of barbecue places there

898
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: and they all kind of had their little specialty. So

899
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: if you're in the mood for something, you just go

900
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: and uh best ribs. Well, yeah, you know what, You're

901
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 1: gonna put me on the spot. A lot of places

902
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 1: have good ribs. I must stay neutral because I eat

903
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 1: it all of I want. We don't want anyone and

904
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 1: getting cut off. No, listen, I love I love all

905
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,439
Speaker 1: of them. But they're there. You know what. Actually, there's

906
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 1: some nice restaurants. I can't say. Gas City's a neat place,

907
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 1: real place. Well, congrats coach super Bowl champion. It sounds

908
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: pretty sweet. Huh yeah, I know it does. You keep

909
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 1: saying that you're gonna give me the business here right now.

910
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 1: Thanks a lot for coming on. I really appreciate it.

911
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Man. Well, that doesn't suck, you know

912
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: the guy wins Super Bowl and then has me to

913
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: his room for a thirty minute interview. Again, I was

914
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: not as defensive coordinator. I was not as general manager.

915
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: I was a scout on the staff. In my first year,

916
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: I was basically glorifying. I think I made grand didn't

917
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 1: even have health benefits. Then that next two years became

918
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 1: full time pro scout, college scout. But still you see

919
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: the way he treats me like do you would treat

920
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: you know, his Matt Naggie or Sean McDermott or Doug

921
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 1: Peterson or one of his other scouts. Just a really

922
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: really high level, great human being. And I think when

923
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 1: you read the way people got really excited for him

924
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: when he won the super Bowl, it's it's easy to

925
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: see why I was born and raised a die hard

926
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: forty Niner fan. Now it's changed, but the majority of

927
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: people in my life we're all in on the forty Niners.

928
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: No countless season ticket holders. Hell, I went to a

929
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 1: bunch of games. I'm really involved with them. Still talk

930
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: about them on Haberman the Middle Koff. I mean, they're

931
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,959
Speaker 1: the Yankee star our show. We talked about them a lot.

932
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 1: Their fan base is massive. Uh that their fan base,

933
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: are my friends, are my my neighbors, There are these people,

934
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: and I could not root for him in the Super Bowl.

935
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 1: I was starting to feel bad when he was down

936
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: ten points in the fourth quarter and I was telling someone,

937
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: this might have been Ted Cruz, this PR guy. When

938
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: he was taking me up to his room, I said,

939
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: you know, if you're gonna win the super Bowl, you know,

940
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: if you're gonna lose the Super Bowl, you'd probably rather

941
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: just get your ass kicked, like when you lose like

942
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: the way Kyle lost definitely the Atlanta super Bowl, though

943
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 1: I always say that's not how Kyle, Like Dan Quinn

944
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: was the head coach, for the way Pete Carroll lost

945
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 1: on that Malcolm Butler pick. Those are just gut wrenching

946
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: losses or some of the ways Belichick has lost to Eli.

947
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 1: Those were a pretty big kick. And then you know what,

948
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: but if you're gonna win it, I think, you know,

949
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 1: if you could win it like a blowout fashion or

950
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 1: a fourth quarter comeback, that there's no doubt one million

951
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: percent you're going fourth quarter come back. And that was a,

952
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: you know, pretty epic way for a guy to kind

953
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 1: of put It's weird because it's not like the icing

954
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: on the cake. Right, he's still gonna coach. Hell, they're

955
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: gonna be a preseason super Bowl favorite as long as

956
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 1: they got my Homes. Wouldn't we all be a little

957
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:23,399
Speaker 1: shocked if they don't make it back to the super

958
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 1: Bowl in the next three or four years they might win.

959
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: Hell that why couldn't they win it again this year?

960
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: They're gonna be really good. As long as they got

961
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 1: Andy and they got my Homes, they're gonna be good.

962
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: But his career was officially like Hall of Fame worthy validated.

963
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 1: It's setting stone, all the winds, the Hall of Fame,

964
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 1: I mean all the winds plus the super Bowl. Like

965
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,720
Speaker 1: it's over, He's it's one of the all time great coaches.

966
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: And uh, I'm a big believer. And you don't deserve anything,

967
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,280
Speaker 1: but how hard the guy worked, how much success he had.

968
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:53,919
Speaker 1: It would have been a travesty if his career ended

969
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: without Super Bowl. And now it just shows you the

970
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: way the world works. We might be talking in seven

971
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: eight years and he could have three, just just the

972
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: way him and Mahomes could be an all time duo,

973
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: which I don't know who would if I said right

974
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: now over under Andy Reid Super Bowls one and a half,

975
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: I'd probably take the over two and a half. I'd

976
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: still I think about it. I'll be a little surprised

977
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: if they don't win another one. Quarterbacks just too good

978
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: coach reads, too good of a coach, and uh, he's

979
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: just he's as good of a human as you'll meet

980
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: in pro sports anyone. I mean, that's top, top notch

981
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: human first, first and foremost. But let's talk about the combine.

982
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 1: Where I was talking to him, a couple of things

983
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,479
Speaker 1: really jumped out to me. I think less. It's hard

984
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: because the sport of football is played in pads and

985
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,879
Speaker 1: a helmet, unlike basketball. You could just have a five

986
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 1: on five game, and actually I learn a lot. I

987
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 1: can have a simulated a B in spring training, and like,

988
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 1: can you hit a hundred ninety fastball? In football? I

989
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 1: could have you do every freaking drill in shorts and

990
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,479
Speaker 1: a T shirt, and I really don't learn that much.

991
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,439
Speaker 1: I learned something about your athleticism, but I don't learn

992
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: how you are as a football player. That's what makes

993
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: the combine unique, is that really the majority of your

994
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 1: evaluation is going to be based on the games. That's

995
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: what's what you're taught in the scouting world, coaching world.

996
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:22,720
Speaker 1: Evaluate players off games, not off interviews, not off the combine, work,

997
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: not off what you hear, watch the tape. It's it's

998
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: why it's a grinder's league because it takes a lot

999
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,240
Speaker 1: of time to watch tape and evaluate players. But going

1000
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 1: into this combine, and I say it all the time,

1001
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: like in the NBA, Lebron and Clutch and so many

1002
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 1: in the media want college basketball to die, and it

1003
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 1: kind of slowly has. It's a bad thing for sports,

1004
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: you know, for that sport. When I was growing up,

1005
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: everyone in the NBA, for the most part, went through college.

1006
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: Allen Iverson went to college for a couple of years,

1007
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: Shock went to college for years, like Michael Jordan went

1008
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 1: for three years. And we get to learn about out

1009
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: the players and then it builds the hype to these

1010
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: guys coming into the pro sports. So what the baseball

1011
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,760
Speaker 1: has never really had because no one watches college baseball,

1012
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 1: but college basketball and college football we're feeder systems for

1013
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: the pros, and it's why the pros are on top.

1014
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: And we get to know these guys when they When

1015
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 1: Zion came in, we've already known a lot about them,

1016
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 1: just like when you turn on the combine. Some of

1017
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 1: the main players in the combines, like, we've been watching

1018
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 1: two of for years. Joe Burrow somewhat of one year wonder,

1019
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: but we watched basically every game he played this year.

1020
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: Herbert we watched him playing the Rose Bowl. We watched

1021
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 1: him be a starter at Oregon forever. Isaiah Simmons been

1022
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: a starter at Clemson, one of the best teams in

1023
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: the country for the last several years. Jonathan Taylor starting

1024
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: running back for Wisconsin, played se Kwan playing all these

1025
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: big games against Michigan. We've been watching there. There's a

1026
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 1: ton of build up. You know what people are. Are

1027
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: you pro management? Are you pro player? No, I'm just

1028
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 1: pro making football, which selfishly pays for all my bills

1029
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: as popular as possible. I want the game to keep growing,

1030
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: and coledge football plays a big role into that. So

1031
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,280
Speaker 1: part of the reason the combine has become so big.

1032
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 1: If college football was irrelevant, the combine would not be

1033
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: as big because we wouldn't know who we're watching. But

1034
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 1: when Isaiah Simmons runs a four three nine, it's like, Damn,

1035
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 1: I just saw that dude making play after play in

1036
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 1: the National Championship Game for the last two years. You

1037
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: think about that, and he was a big winner. And

1038
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: I've talked to people in the league throughout the fall,

1039
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 1: and the one thing they come back to is like,

1040
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: you know, your defensive coordinator better know how to use

1041
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:36,399
Speaker 1: them because he's not a true inside linebacker, because he's

1042
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: not as physical. But I always counter with going, do

1043
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 1: you need to be as physical in two thousand twenty,

1044
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a stack shed take your gap,

1045
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: make a tackle in the C gap like Bill Romanowski

1046
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 1: middle linebacker, go downhill, take on the fullback, keep your head,

1047
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 1: you know, to the left side. If the runners of

1048
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,399
Speaker 1: the left side, use your arms, shed the guy off,

1049
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: make a form tackle like those days. Is it's it's

1050
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: the whole deal. So spread out. You gotta be able

1051
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: to run and avoid blocks. In the perfect world, the

1052
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 1: Patrick Willis is and the Luke Keithley's yeah, Ray Lewis,

1053
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,919
Speaker 1: most guys are not gonna take on blockers. They're gonna

1054
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: go around them. And I'm fine with that. Back ten

1055
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 1: years ago when I first got into scouting, like you

1056
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: had to be able to take on blockers, being physical.

1057
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: That doesn't bother me as much. But the number one

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00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 1: question with this guy, well, can Isaiah Simmons can he

1059
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 1: be like this hybrid defensive back? Well, when you were

1060
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: on a four three nine? The big question with guys

1061
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 1: like you know, he's not big enough to play linebacker,

1062
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 1: but he's not fast enough to play safety. Well, Simmons

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00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:43,879
Speaker 1: is one like six three and a half six four

1064
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 1: to twenty whatever he is. When you run a four

1065
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 1: three nine, you're fast enough to play wherever there. I

1066
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 1: read a good stat today, only four wide receivers at

1067
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 1: the combine ran faster than Isaiah Simmons. So whether he's

1068
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,479
Speaker 1: a lineback, will linebacker, whether he's a free safety, whether

1069
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: he's a slot corner. When you're that big of a

1070
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: freak athlete, it's on the coach to figure out how

1071
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 1: to use this guy because he is way too talented.

1072
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 1: And what did Clemson have, Well, they have the highest

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00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 1: paid assistant coach in the country and Will Venables defensive coordinator,

1074
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 1: and he used him just fine, because this guy was

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00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: kicking ass and taking names for the last three years

1076
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: at Clemson wherever. I definitely know he's been starting to

1077
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 1: I'd have to google whether he was a full time

1078
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: starter is a true freshman. But he's an ELEAD player

1079
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: and with that type speed, he could play in space

1080
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: if he has to play dB. Right, he clearly has

1081
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: some like unique ability to be able to pass rush.

1082
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 1: Very just a very virgatile player. And in two thousand

1083
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: twenty and moving forward, if Isaiah Simmons, let's say years old,

1084
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: if he's gonna play for the next decade, well, the

1085
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: game is only gonna spread out more. That's the way

1086
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: the rules are. So I would bet the farm on

1087
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: this guy. I don't see how he fails unless he

1088
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 1: gets to a spot with a bad defensive coordinator. Now,

1089
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 1: when you're gonna go as high as him, there's a

1090
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: chance you're gonna get with a bad defensive coordinator. That's

1091
00:55:58,160 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 1: the only thing that makes me nervous. But when you

1092
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: run that fast and move that well, and all of

1093
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: his athletists athletists, uh, I can try to say that athleticism,

1094
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:10,359
Speaker 1: the athletic testing I can't even speak right now, are

1095
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 1: in the all like nine plus percentiles, and you have

1096
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: the game film of being a starter on that level

1097
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 1: of team, it's gonna be hard to fail. Jonathan Taylor,

1098
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: I'm a big Jonathan Taylor guy. I would imagine most

1099
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: people listening to watch Wisconsin play like him as well.

1100
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 1: He's a great player. You're at a four, three nine,

1101
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:32,240
Speaker 1: and I say it all the time, Like when guys

1102
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: run at running back, we expect skill guys like corners

1103
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 1: wide receivers to all be in the four force, especially

1104
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: wide receivers or excuse me, corners wide receivers. You can

1105
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: be like a four or five nine guy if you're

1106
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 1: a physical player, like a Juju or Davante and make

1107
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 1: keenan Allen ran slow. Certain you know specific type players

1108
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: can get away with running slow. It's hard to be

1109
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 1: a slow corner. But running back is the one position

1110
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:02,399
Speaker 1: where top end speed you could argue borderline irrelevant. Now,

1111
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 1: you can't run five to forty because I need you

1112
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: to be short, area, quick and explosive. But if you

1113
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 1: run a four six, you can be a really good

1114
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: running back in the NFL. You don't. You might. Your

1115
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 1: longest runs might be thirty thirty five yards, but most

1116
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: runs are like check aside, like Adrian Peterson's or Sae

1117
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: Kwon Barclay's. Most guys aren't busting up like eight yard runs.

1118
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 1: So this guy who is a great in between the

1119
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 1: tackle runner he can also go outside, has this elite

1120
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: top end speed. This guy might go in the first round.

1121
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: Now he's got a couple of knocks on him, and

1122
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: one is a legitimate knock. He fumbles the ball a lot,

1123
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 1: and that's something that makes coaches and personnel people nervous.

1124
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: There were some questions about him catching the football from

1125
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 1: just doing some digging around. I think it's more that

1126
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: they didn't throw him the ball. But anytime you have

1127
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: some fumbling issues, maybe people question, are you have natural hands?

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00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: That'll be something that teams at his pro day or

1129
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 1: individual war couts like, I don't need to see him

1130
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: run between the cones, right. I know the guy has

1131
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: the vision, the ability to tote the rock. I if

1132
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 1: I was personally working him out, if I was a

1133
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 1: team Whoever, in like the twenties, they were thinking about

1134
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: drafting Sake Uh Jonathan Taylor because if you're taking thinking

1135
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: about a guy taking a guy that high and he

1136
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: actually ran faster and Sake Kuan Barkley. Now, Sake Kuwan

1137
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: is a better, probably more complete player. Zeke another guy

1138
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 1: that came out recently, probably more complete player, but this

1139
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 1: guy is not far off. I would only run him

1140
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: through pass catching drills. Now, if he can't catch the ball,

1141
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 1: then I don't think I could draft him that high.

1142
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 1: But if I take him and make my offensive coordinator

1143
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 1: and running back coach are there, and I'm just peppering

1144
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 1: him with passes, wheel routes, go routes, quick little routes

1145
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 1: from the slot, doing everything with like i'd want to

1146
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 1: do with se Kwan or Christian McCaffrey. If he can

1147
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: do that and I feel comfortable, and I tried to

1148
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 1: take a quarterback with a strong arm because I want to.

1149
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 1: I want to be peppering him. If you can do that,

1150
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 1: I'd feel pretty good taking him. I love Jonathan Taylor.

1151
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: If you can catch the ball, he's gonna be a

1152
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 1: stud running back in the NFL. Henry Ruggs, the video

1153
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 1: that went viral of him dunking the dunking the basketball

1154
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: is one of the most incredible viral videos I've ever

1155
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 1: seen from a guy in another sport. The thing that's

1156
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 1: going viral right now is Mike Trout did hit the

1157
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 1: golf ball. It looks like seven yards. Well, if you

1158
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 1: told me Mike Trout, I give him a driver at

1159
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 1: top Golf. What do you think is gonna happen. I'd

1160
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: say I would imagine he hits the ball like he's

1161
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: brooks Kepta. So it's not that shocking when you really

1162
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 1: you talk it out. But when you see a guy

1163
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: that's under six feet dunking on people in the lane,

1164
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 1: and not just like mediocre dunks, I'm talking about looking

1165
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 1: like Russell Westbrook in the NBA. That is the video

1166
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 1: that I would show in the draft room. The wide receivers.

1167
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 1: There's a ton of hype. Judy's gonna go high. Chanol,

1168
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 1: the kid from Colorado would go high, but he's got

1169
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 1: a million injuries. Uh, the kid from Arizona State, ayouk ayouku.

1170
00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. I always screw up his name. He's

1171
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 1: gonna go really high. He had a really good combine.

1172
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: But when you think about speed guys in two thousand twenty,

1173
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 1: you're not allowed to really touch him because he's not

1174
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: nervous about getting hit. If you hit him helmet to helmet,

1175
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna get tossed out of the game or flagged.

1176
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 1: Most teams don't really press anymore, and you're always nervous

1177
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 1: pressing fast guys. But it's one thing to press a

1178
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 1: fast guy fifteen years ago, when you're free safety shrunk safety,

1179
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 1: could you know, hit him right in the teeth and

1180
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: knock him out for the game. When I first got

1181
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 1: to the Eagles, Deshan Jackson used to get KOed a

1182
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 1: ton of games, would get knocked out all the time,

1183
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: and he was an elite player. Like, there's a chance

1184
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 1: that Henry Ruggs is not as good as de Sean,

1185
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 1: but Sean was getting KOed early on in the like

1186
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 1: two thousands, tens, two thousand, eleven, twelve. Well, now what

1187
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 1: sucks for de Sean as he's old. But you can't

1188
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 1: hit the guys like that anymore. So I think Henry

1189
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 1: Ruggs is a borderline lock top fifteen player just because

1190
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: his quality of elite speed and elite production are high.

1191
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,919
Speaker 1: His athletics sisum is just off the charts. He played

1192
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 1: at Alabama, so you know he's tough. And then the rules,

1193
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 1: I would feel really really comfortable taking him. If Jerry

1194
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 1: Judy is the first wide receiver off the board, I

1195
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 1: wouldn't be shocked if Rugs is the second. Okay, let's uh,

1196
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 1: let's get to the Middlecoff mail bag at John Middlecoff

1197
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 1: packed a little show here on him on a guess Tuesday.

1198
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 1: I'm recording this on Monday. Hey, John, don't really have

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01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: a question, but wanted to let you know I look

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01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 1: forward to Tuesday and Friday mornings, looking forward to watching

1201
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 1: you blow up over the next few years. Say I'm

1202
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: a fran from the start. I appreciate that. I really

1203
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:42,439
Speaker 1: wasn't trying to read a complimentary Instagram on the air,

1204
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 1: so you know it makes you feel good. I'm gonna lie, hey, brother,

1205
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 1: love the pod. What can the Vikings do to actually

1206
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl? Let's say, congrats, you're now the

1207
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 1: Vikings GM. That would actually What can I live in

1208
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 1: California and be the GM for the Vikings? What would

1209
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: you do if you were have been a couple of

1210
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 1: years to work with. Well, I need a quarterback. It's

1211
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 1: a quarterback league and I got Kirk Cousins, so I

1212
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 1: just need to find a way to get a top

1213
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 1: ten quarterback. I'm paying ninety million dollars the last three

1214
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 1: years for Cousins, and I guess we'll see what happens

1215
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 1: this year. But last year you did win a game

1216
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 1: as a pretty big underdog on the road against the Saints.

1217
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 1: That's that was an impressive win. And Cousins made a

1218
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 1: couple of throws in that game. But I I think

1219
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 1: if we take a step back, the real reason they

1220
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 1: lost the defense was just rattling. Drew Brees. Mike Zimmer

1221
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 1: won that game. You know, Cousins made a big throw.

1222
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 1: I think it was the theeling over the over shoulder

1223
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 1: or was it Digs? I think it was theeling. It

1224
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:44,919
Speaker 1: was a great over the shoulder catch. Theeling has great

1225
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 1: ball skills, tracking ability. But you just I was at

1226
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 1: the Diner game and after that first drive when Cousins

1227
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 1: they go right after a kell of Weatherspoon with Digs

1228
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 1: on three plays, score touchdown, didn't do anything. They just

1229
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 1: Cousin is not good enough. And if you're good enough,

1230
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 1: you don't need to be Patrick Mahomes. But you got

1231
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 1: no shot against the best in the business with with Cousins.

1232
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 1: So I I would whether one of these guys in

1233
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 1: the draft, can I trade up? Uh? Could I trade

1234
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 1: Cousins and go sign one of these quarterbacks? Right now?

1235
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. I got I gotta figure something out

1236
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 1: because I got good enough players. I'd keep Digs, keep Feeling,

1237
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 1: keep Cooks, got Hunter, still got Harrison Smith Kendricks. I

1238
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 1: got a great core, I just need a quarterback and

1239
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 1: better offensive line. Heard you talk Monday on the Hampot

1240
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 1: about Ceedee Lamb being undersize and going in around two.

1241
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 1: Can you explain why you say that. I heard you

1242
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 1: say a source told you official numbers of the combine

1243
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 1: had him at and is arguably the best wide receiver draft.

1244
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 1: What are you hearing that makes you think he's a

1245
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 1: day to pick. Yeah, maybe I misspoke on that because

1246
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 1: I when I was out to dinner with some buddy's

1247
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:58,440
Speaker 1: on the day before I left, I guess he was

1248
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 1: a hundred and seventy hundred seven five pounds when he

1249
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 1: first got to the program. He's obviously put on weight,

1250
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 1: but there were some questions is he is he a

1251
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 1: thinner guy? And I think sometimes at the combine these

1252
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 1: guys are athletic freaks. They can just put on a

1253
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 1: ton of fake muscle for the Combine. Now I'm a

1254
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb fan. He's got some Davante Adams to him.

1255
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 1: I had have to check his testing numbers. Maybe it

1256
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 1: was maybe it was unfair to say he's going in

1257
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 1: the second round, Like I still think I would guess

1258
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 1: he goes somewhere between twenty and thirty five in that range.

1259
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 1: But do I think he goes top fifteen? Probably not.

1260
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 1: He's pretty hyped on Twitter. I think the hype on

1261
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 1: Twitter might be a little stronger than in reality. But yeah,

1262
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:45,439
Speaker 1: he's he's bigger than I said he was. I heard

1263
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 1: with Colin talking about quarterback being mostly about above the shoulders.

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Speaker 1: Why are both of you so low on Burrow when

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Speaker 1: his number one characteristic is his mind? What am I missing?

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Speaker 1: If you love Baker? Isn't he Baker but a hard

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Speaker 1: a worker and better athlete. Yeah, but I I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying I don't love Joe Burrow. I would take him

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Speaker 1: number one overall. I think when Colin just says he's

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Speaker 1: not some all time great prospect, just he was a

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Speaker 1: one year wonder. He went from being a mid round

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Speaker 1: guy to overnight being the number one overall pick. Trevor

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Speaker 1: Lawrence been the number one overall pick for three years,

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Speaker 1: Andrew luck was the number one overall pick for years.

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Speaker 1: You know, Cam Newton was a five star guy, and

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Speaker 1: that got derailed because he got in trouble stealing the laptops.

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Speaker 1: But he was a super hype guy from day one.

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, you know somewhat. I know he went to

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Speaker 1: Ohio State, but he wasn't some five star recruit. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's really good. He's gonna go number one overall. I

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Speaker 1: think he's like a much better version of like Alex

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Speaker 1: Smith coming out of Utah and he had just an

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Speaker 1: incredible season, but just you just never know. He just

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Speaker 1: maybe I'm being too harsh. I'm trying to think of

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Speaker 1: a negative I have. I'm not anti Joe Burrow. I

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Speaker 1: would take him number one overall. I think he could

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Speaker 1: be a top ten starter in the league. Maybe one

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Speaker 1: day he could be the number of best quarterback in

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Speaker 1: the league. I doubt he doesn't have the arm of

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Speaker 1: the homes, not quite the athlete of like Russell or

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Speaker 1: you know, he could be DeShawn. Like DeShawn, I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's nothing like Deshaun is not the most physically gifted guy,

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Speaker 1: but he just has elite intangibles, elite worker, just elite

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Speaker 1: instincts for the position. Maybe that's Joe Burrow. So maybe,

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Speaker 1: just maybe it's just Shaun Watson that actually might be

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Speaker 1: a good comp Deshaun Watson, that might be my compform

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Speaker 1: moving forward, two separate questions, how are scouts, coaches and

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Speaker 1: GMS leveraging combined performances against the game film? And what

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Speaker 1: drills are coaches looking for the closest? Well, I think

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Speaker 1: you always look at the forty time and sometimes that's

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Speaker 1: not the smart move, but we're all humans, uh. And

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Speaker 1: then it just depends what position you're at. You're at

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01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 1: if you're a wide receiver the short shuttle in the

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01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:01,920
Speaker 1: three own or big how you move because that's how

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01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 1: you break and routes. If you're a corner of the

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01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 1: forty is definitely big and in vertical jumps, big offensive lineman.

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Speaker 1: You can algue. The drills don't mean a damn thing quarterbacks,

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01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,480
Speaker 1: the drills that matter of the interviews because I got

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Speaker 1: your tape and then I just want to talk to you,

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01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 1: so I I think every scout is different. At the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, the combine is a small, small

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Speaker 1: piece of the pie. The main thing you're looking at

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Speaker 1: is the game tape. That that's that's what is make

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Speaker 1: or breaking guys. For sure, I love the show and

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01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:34,640
Speaker 1: how you only talk football. Wish you were on every day.

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Speaker 1: Keep up the great work well, mo every day. I

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Speaker 1: talk on Twitter every day at John Middlecoff. I do

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Speaker 1: a daily periscope on Twitter on my Twitter account. I

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01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:47,840
Speaker 1: have another podcast. It's three days a week, so I

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01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:52,080
Speaker 1: feel like I just do a relentless amount of content.

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01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 1: My voice sometimes by Wednesday or Thursday is just pooped.

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01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 1: Take a little sip of water to keep the vocal

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01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 1: cords moist. Hey John, good day, love the pod. Saw

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01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 1: your show got downloaded on my HERD network. Listened and

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01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 1: now I listened to the show. Thanks for recording it

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Speaker 1: the day before and posting it early. Well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Mike actually does that. I just I just record it,

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01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 1: and then we got a little we got a little squad.

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01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:21,599
Speaker 1: We post that bad boy, and then thanks for Colin's

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01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 1: podcasts put us on there, and then we just keep rolling.

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01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:28,599
Speaker 1: I appreciate the kind words. It's been a little too

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01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 1: much of inflating my ego here on this on these pods.

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Speaker 1: Do you see the NFL switching things up in regards

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01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:38,599
Speaker 1: the primetime matchups? It seems they do a good job

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01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 1: of making sure everybody gets a fair share of primetime slots,

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01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 1: even though we all know only a handful of teams

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01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 1: carry a fan base that puts up more substantial numbers.

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01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 1: I eat the Cowboys, Patriots, Packers, etc. Not really interested

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01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:53,599
Speaker 1: in all the primetime games that include struggling Panthers, Bengals, Falcons.

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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts? Well, I think there's a there

1341
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:03,680
Speaker 1: is a number of games that you can max out it,

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01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:05,759
Speaker 1: and I think it's five. Now, if you get flex

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01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:08,680
Speaker 1: the last week like the nine or Seattle did, then

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01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 1: I think they can go six. But they can't just

1345
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 1: put the Cowboys on every Sunday or Monday night game.

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01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 1: I do think they try to give some other teams

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01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:19,599
Speaker 1: chances to shine, or teams that they think are gonna

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Speaker 1: be good. So like the Broncos, for example, they went

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Speaker 1: seven and nine Drew Lock. Let's say they think the

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01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:27,720
Speaker 1: Broncos might compete for a wild card. They might get

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01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:30,599
Speaker 1: a Monday in a Sunday night game. Now, ideally it's

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01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:32,280
Speaker 1: in a position in the Sunday night game where if

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01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 1: they're bad, you can flex them out. But the Cowboys, Eagles,

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Speaker 1: next year, the Niners, Seattle, Patriots, assuming Brady stays, but

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Speaker 1: even if he doesn't, they'll Packers, Pittsburgh. Like you play,

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01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 1: they play the Hits. I I think they do a

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01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:53,960
Speaker 1: pretty good job, to be honest, with you. Okay. Many

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01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:56,479
Speaker 1: coaches and talent evaluators seem to have strong suits in

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01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:59,679
Speaker 1: terms of identifying talent at certain spots on the football field,

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01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:03,679
Speaker 1: and others that say that sometimes struggle with for example,

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01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 1: Belichick drafting wide receivers. What positions do you feel most

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01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 1: confident in evaluating and what positions do you struggle with

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Speaker 1: the most. I feel very, very confident when it comes

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Speaker 1: to running backs and wide receivers and pass rushers. Now,

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01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:27,559
Speaker 1: the overall, like game of a defensive lineman. It can

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Speaker 1: be a little difficult just for specific schemes. But if

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Speaker 1: I know the scheme that we're running on defense, I

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Speaker 1: feel pretty good with defensive lineman. So I would go

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Speaker 1: running backs, wide receivers defensive linemen. If I know a

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Speaker 1: lot about the quarterback upstairs, I think I have a chance.

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Speaker 1: But like even Bill Walsh, you're gonna miss. Like, the

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks are hard the hardest for me by far, dbs

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Speaker 1: because you've gotta be able to balance and factor in

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Speaker 1: the coverages, know what they're doing. The dvs are just

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01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:04,040
Speaker 1: really hard. Safety is really really difficult. I even linebackers

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01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:07,000
Speaker 1: might be getting a little easier, but they're actually becoming

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Speaker 1: more of like a hybrid dB. So that's tough. Anything

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01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 1: that involves coverages is a difficult task. I would say

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Speaker 1: offense I feel very very confident of. But I worked

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Speaker 1: for two offensive head coaches. So when I was at

1381
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:23,759
Speaker 1: Fresno State, we produced NFL offensive lineman. We produced NFL

1382
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Speaker 1: wide receivers and NFL running backs, so I was around them.

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01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 1: And then when I got to Philly, Shady, DeShawn, Jeremy Macklin,

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01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:33,360
Speaker 1: Brent Selik, I just saw a lot of really good

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01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 1: uh and then Jason Peters, Jason Kelsey, just was around

1386
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 1: a lot of good players on offense. Defense can just

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01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:45,720
Speaker 1: be more difficult, So I would just I'm an offensive guy.

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01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:49,720
Speaker 1: I would just lean offense, but I defensive lineman for

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Speaker 1: the most part. Now I can be overly critical, like

1390
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 1: I I didn't love Nick Bosa last year, and I

1391
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:59,160
Speaker 1: was clearly way too low. But was I just because

1392
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:03,360
Speaker 1: I like Quentin Willie Hims More? Was it because sometimes

1393
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 1: I can overreact to injuries and when the injured guys,

1394
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 1: I I'm out on, But hell, I would have probably

1395
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 1: been out on Steph Curry after he kept rolling his

1396
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Speaker 1: ankles in like two thousand and ten and two thousand eleven,

1397
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:17,599
Speaker 1: I would have been wrong. You know, both side thought

1398
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:19,280
Speaker 1: he was always gonna get hurt. Hell, when the Niners

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01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:20,880
Speaker 1: drafted him, he got hurt. I went to O t A,

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Speaker 1: the first O t A practice got hurt, his first

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01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:27,360
Speaker 1: training camp practice got hurt. And then the season started

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01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:30,800
Speaker 1: and kick the ship out of everybody quick one. Why

1403
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:33,759
Speaker 1: all the hype for Rivers? Is he really what Indie needs?

1404
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:36,120
Speaker 1: Are they not better drafting a young guy and building

1405
01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:38,559
Speaker 1: around him? Or am I missing something? Why? I think

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01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 1: the game plan for them is simple. You signed Rivers,

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01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:44,680
Speaker 1: you trade Jacobe, and you draft Jordan Love, so you

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01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:47,200
Speaker 1: have Jordan's Love learned from Philip Rivers for two years.

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01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:50,000
Speaker 1: And hell if Jordan Loves ready ready after this year,

1410
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:52,519
Speaker 1: he starts next year. But Jordan Loves not ready to

1411
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 1: play in two thousand and twenty, and the culture trying

1412
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 1: to make the playoffs. So you get Philip Rivers, you

1413
01:12:57,200 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 1: try to make the playoffs this year. He teaches Jordan

1414
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 1: of all the tricks of the trade. In a year

1415
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 1: or two, hopefully it's still something left, because that's what

1416
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 1: you're betting on if you sign them, and then you

1417
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:11,040
Speaker 1: go right into two thou two with Jordan Love at

1418
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Speaker 1: your quarterback. That's what I think the game plan is.

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Speaker 1: I listened to your show religiously appreciate it. In my opinion,

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01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:19,880
Speaker 1: your hands down how the best takes on things. For

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01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:22,920
Speaker 1: sure the most realistic, I thinks. But I gotta know

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01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:25,600
Speaker 1: you look nothing like what I pictured from listening to

1423
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:28,760
Speaker 1: on the podcast. Are you really bald? Or could you

1424
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:30,680
Speaker 1: grow a full head of hair if you want it?

1425
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:35,480
Speaker 1: Not trying to offend you, just overly curious. I'm offended

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Speaker 1: by this. I don't know anyone. I had a pretty

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01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:44,280
Speaker 1: good head of hair. I had thick, thick hair when

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01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 1: I was young. My dad used to force me to

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Speaker 1: get my hair cut really really short, like ones and twos.

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01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 1: And looking back, my dad's no longer with me. But

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01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 1: it's that that was that pisses me off even thinking

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01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:57,120
Speaker 1: about It's like dad. My dad was bald at the

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01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:59,720
Speaker 1: time too. It's like, Dad, I have hair, Let me

1434
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:02,599
Speaker 1: locket how I want to rocket When I have young children.

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01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 1: We're gonna go mohawks, We're gonna go long hair. We're

1436
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:08,559
Speaker 1: gonna do everything possible because one day that kid's hair

1437
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:12,320
Speaker 1: is probably gonna disappear. But no, would I shave my

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01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:14,920
Speaker 1: head with a big razor. If I had my sweet

1439
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 1: hair still sweet would be strong. But I had a

1440
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:19,479
Speaker 1: solid head of hair, no, I would not. So I'm

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01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 1: bald and I'm not receding hair bald. I'm cold to

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01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:26,240
Speaker 1: sack bald where I still have some hair strands on

1443
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:28,479
Speaker 1: the top of my hair on the top of my head.

1444
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:31,759
Speaker 1: But if I grow it out and you took a picture,

1445
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:34,559
Speaker 1: all you would see was scalp. So I shaved my

1446
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:40,080
Speaker 1: head strictly because probably around my early twenties, I remember

1447
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:42,960
Speaker 1: being at cow Poly and seeing hair follicles falling on

1448
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 1: my desk. Is that, yeah, I just got bad hair genetics.

1449
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:49,559
Speaker 1: I'm bald, My brother's bald, my dad was bald, my

1450
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:52,840
Speaker 1: grandparents were bald, My cousins are bald. Just a bald

1451
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:56,720
Speaker 1: freaking family. So if Brady signs with the Raiders, do

1452
01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:58,760
Speaker 1: you see the Patriots looking to trade for car. I

1453
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:00,800
Speaker 1: know he's not a cold weather orderback, but I think

1454
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:04,200
Speaker 1: you can excel in Belichick system. I actually agree they

1455
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:08,680
Speaker 1: get rid of the ball really quickly. He's not a

1456
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 1: terrible fit. Here's where it is a bad fit. Derek

1457
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:14,320
Speaker 1: can be really really sensitive and the Boston is not

1458
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:18,080
Speaker 1: a sensitive town. They eat sensitive people for breakfast. Remember

1459
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 1: when Adrian is Adrian Gonzalez, the former the first basement

1460
01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:24,280
Speaker 1: for the Dodgers when he signed there after he got

1461
01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:27,880
Speaker 1: traded for the Padres mentally broke. The Red Sox used

1462
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:30,320
Speaker 1: to break players left and right. For the most part,

1463
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:35,559
Speaker 1: Belichick doesn't really acquire many mental, mentally weak guys because

1464
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:37,840
Speaker 1: you just don't laugh, He'll just cut you. I also

1465
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:42,080
Speaker 1: think the hard part for Derek would be he's replacing Brady.

1466
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 1: So if Brady were to leave, for him to fill

1467
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:48,760
Speaker 1: brady shoes, that's impossible. I wouldn't wish that upon anybody

1468
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:51,799
Speaker 1: to try to fill Tom brady shoes. Think about how

1469
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:54,639
Speaker 1: difficult that would be. I mean, just just think about

1470
01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:58,040
Speaker 1: that for a second. It's like Michael Jordan's or Mickey

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Speaker 1: Mantle or whoever the next point guard of the Warriors is.

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01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:05,720
Speaker 1: It's like it's a no win situation. But yeah, from

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Speaker 1: a physical standpoint, and just what he does well, getting

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01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:13,080
Speaker 1: rid of the ball quickly and he'd be good. I

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01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 1: love your naggy pod straight heat. Thanks for asking the

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01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:18,680
Speaker 1: tough questions in a way they'll answer. I think the

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01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:21,200
Speaker 1: Bears are in on Derek Carr early. They just can't

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01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:23,200
Speaker 1: say because if it falls through, Mitch is still in

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01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:26,760
Speaker 1: the roster. They've got to be looking at car See.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I asked him a little bit off the record,

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01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:31,559
Speaker 1: and I really don't bug him with inside information on

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01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 1: stuff like that, just because it's a weird spot for

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01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 1: me because I know him so well and I don't

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01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:42,000
Speaker 1: think they are and I'm being completely honest and just

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01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:45,479
Speaker 1: talking from other people. I think they're gonna end up,

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01:16:45,479 --> 01:16:47,639
Speaker 1: and I know the story service a little bit because

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01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:49,920
Speaker 1: I think it's more I think Andy Dalton. I think

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01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:52,840
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton is a bear. I think what makes it

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01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:56,800
Speaker 1: difficult for Derek is Derek still good enough? Like are

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01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 1: they gonna give I think they have the Raiders second

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01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:01,000
Speaker 1: round pick, so it's picked forty re They're gonna get

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01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 1: up pick forty three for Derek Carr or they could

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01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 1: just get a Andy Dalton for like a fifth round

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01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 1: pick or fourth round pick. He's a much easier player

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01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:12,759
Speaker 1: to acquire Derek. Derek sneaky wouldn't be cheap for them.

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Speaker 1: My question is regarding the Niners, which I'm a big

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01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:19,120
Speaker 1: fan since the Bowman years. You're pretty hum the fact

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Speaker 1: that the salary cap is supposed to be around two million.

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Speaker 1: Would the Niners have enough money to sign Armstead, Kittle

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01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:28,679
Speaker 1: and company. I think if they signed Kittle and Buckner,

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01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:32,240
Speaker 1: it's very difficult to keep Armstead. If they signed Buckner

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01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 1: and Armstead and they don't wait, they wait till next

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01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:37,280
Speaker 1: year to sign Kittle, I think they would have some

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01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:40,439
Speaker 1: room now if they wanted to sign Armstead, extend Buckner,

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01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:43,559
Speaker 1: and extend Kittle, they probably need to trade d Ford

1506
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:48,040
Speaker 1: so because they already have Jimmy's under contract for mid twenties.

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01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 1: Richard makes like ten uh Staley makes a lot. McGlinchey

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01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 1: was a high pick, he makes a lot. Nick Bosa

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01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:57,120
Speaker 1: was the second pick in the draft. He makes like

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01:17:57,200 --> 01:17:59,720
Speaker 1: seven or eight million. It just it just kind of

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01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:03,920
Speaker 1: add up fast. Now. Luckily Fred Warner quast guitar. They

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01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:07,200
Speaker 1: got some guys that make relatively small amounts debot second

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01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:10,160
Speaker 1: round pick probably a million. But yeah, it does get

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01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:13,400
Speaker 1: a little it does get a little complicated for sure. Luckily,

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01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 1: the salary cap has gone up so much that they're

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01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:20,320
Speaker 1: they're gonna have the opportunity to to try to keep

1517
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:23,439
Speaker 1: some of these guys. Thoughts post quarterback combine on my

1518
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:31,360
Speaker 1: eastern question. I I honestly haven't even seen Easton's athletic testing.

1519
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:35,200
Speaker 1: My issue overall with him is he looks the part.

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01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 1: I saw a picture of him, Herbert and Borough I

1521
01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:40,599
Speaker 1: think Peter King's article, and he's the best looking one

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01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:43,439
Speaker 1: of the three. He towers over Burrow, right next to Herbert.

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01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:46,599
Speaker 1: He looks just as sweet. When I watched him play

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01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:49,040
Speaker 1: this year for Chris Peterson, and he had been in

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01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:51,640
Speaker 1: the offense for two years because remember he transferred had

1526
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:56,080
Speaker 1: a red shirt. I saw a slow footed, slow processing player.

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01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 1: Now when he gets it perfect, it looks awesome because

1528
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:02,880
Speaker 1: he's got a big arm. But he's not a great athlete. Again,

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01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:04,479
Speaker 1: I don't know what he ran or whatever. I don't

1530
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:06,400
Speaker 1: care he's I always felt like he was slow footed

1531
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 1: when I watched him, and he's just not a great

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01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:11,479
Speaker 1: decision maker. Now. I was at dinner on Wednesday night

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01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:15,519
Speaker 1: and Bruce Arians was there, and Easton came up and

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01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:17,640
Speaker 1: someone at the tables like I could see, and he

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01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:20,320
Speaker 1: pointed at be A. Luckily he was like drinking a cocktail,

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01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:22,800
Speaker 1: not looking at us. I could see him liking Easton,

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01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 1: and you go, you know, big arm guy, poor poor

1538
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:29,360
Speaker 1: man's version of Carson Palmer. Maybe maybe it's not that crazy.

1539
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:34,479
Speaker 1: I I could not draft him probably any earlier in

1540
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:37,679
Speaker 1: the fourth round. Maybe I'm being too harsh, but I'm

1541
01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:39,599
Speaker 1: not afraid to be like when I don't like a guy,

1542
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:42,439
Speaker 1: I just don't like a guy. I just it's it's

1543
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 1: the draft is still value, but I don't like. Just

1544
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 1: if I don't like a house, I'm not just gonna

1545
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:51,400
Speaker 1: buy it, even if it's cheap. Why is no one

1546
01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:55,440
Speaker 1: talking about the depth concerns D line, safety and linebacker,

1547
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:57,760
Speaker 1: and are just worried about wide receiver and corner. A

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01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:00,519
Speaker 1: big Eagle fan here, in my opinion, in they need

1549
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:03,559
Speaker 1: a safety before anyone else. Also, what player do you

1550
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:08,240
Speaker 1: think that they will pick at? Well, I think they

1551
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:10,760
Speaker 1: could go definitely go wide receiver. But I also think

1552
01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:13,800
Speaker 1: you're right. They could easily go defensive back and their

1553
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:18,120
Speaker 1: defensive backs last year or their corners were bad safety,

1554
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:23,080
Speaker 1: I mean Malcolm's old. Yeah, they could easily go defensive back.

1555
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:25,599
Speaker 1: So I would say they go defensive back or they

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01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:29,080
Speaker 1: go wide receiver. Don't need tight ends, don't need a

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01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 1: running back, don't need a quarterback, have tackles, have a

1558
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:36,639
Speaker 1: center and guard they go, they can always go D line,

1559
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:40,240
Speaker 1: I guess, but yeah, I think they could easily justify

1560
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:44,719
Speaker 1: going dB high. What is one player the Niners should

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01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:47,720
Speaker 1: draft in the first round. I would probably take a

1562
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:51,240
Speaker 1: guard center. I mean their garden center Richberg towards knee,

1563
01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:54,080
Speaker 1: their guards or average. The reason they lost the Super

1564
01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:56,759
Speaker 1: Bowl they could not protect and they could not block

1565
01:20:56,840 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 1: Chris Jones and you could go, well, John, no one

1566
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:02,400
Speaker 1: can really block Christian The Niners had no chance none.

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01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:04,760
Speaker 1: He was going around those guys like they were a

1568
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:08,799
Speaker 1: blocking dummy. It was. It was embarrassing. And their tackles,

1569
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:11,840
Speaker 1: it's Joe Stadium, Glinch. You're fine. You got Kittle and

1570
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:13,680
Speaker 1: you got us check to help out in the run game.

1571
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:16,400
Speaker 1: But the garden center just we're not good enough. And

1572
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:18,759
Speaker 1: it's not always sexy to take a guard center high.

1573
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:21,719
Speaker 1: But if you get it right, usually pretty good. Now,

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01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:24,559
Speaker 1: Kyle and John haven't done it. The last time the

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01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:26,719
Speaker 1: Niners hauld guard really high. They traded into the first

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01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:32,240
Speaker 1: round and they took Josh Garnett, the offensive lineman from Stanford,

1577
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:36,000
Speaker 1: and he was a bust. Does the Hawaii football team

1578
01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:38,719
Speaker 1: show an adequate template for the viability of an NFL

1579
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:41,360
Speaker 1: team moving to London, since both are an ocean away

1580
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 1: from the US mainland, I gotta like this question or

1581
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:49,200
Speaker 1: or logistical differences between college and pro two different. Yeah,

1582
01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:52,200
Speaker 1: it is. It's very different because your college rosters. Your

1583
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:54,240
Speaker 1: college rosters, so you have a hunter guys in your team.

1584
01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:56,120
Speaker 1: If you get an injury, you just next man up,

1585
01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 1: red shirt guy comes up. Whatever. In the NFL, you're

1586
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 1: constantly signing and cutting new players. So if I lose

1587
01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 1: two players to injury in Week three and I'm playing

1588
01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears and I fly home, well, once I

1589
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:13,400
Speaker 1: get there on Monday morning to London. I was thinking

1590
01:22:13,439 --> 01:22:17,559
Speaker 1: about going to Hawaii. But London, I'm gonna need a guarden,

1591
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 1: a center, well, or whatever positions I lost. When I

1592
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:25,120
Speaker 1: was in Philly. If we needed a certain position, sometimes

1593
01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:27,400
Speaker 1: we'd bring in we have a short list of the

1594
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:30,800
Speaker 1: best wide receivers. Let's say we need a wide receiver.

1595
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:32,439
Speaker 1: Bogus like, we need to bring in a wide receiver.

1596
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:35,320
Speaker 1: So you bring in three wide receivers and they work

1597
01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 1: out against all three of them at the same time,

1598
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:39,800
Speaker 1: and then you sign the best one. I think, got

1599
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:42,120
Speaker 1: what difficult that is? In Philly, It's like well, one

1600
01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:44,519
Speaker 1: guy's Chicago, the other guys in Texas, one guys in Florida. Well,

1601
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:46,840
Speaker 1: they're all gonna be there relatively the same time. What

1602
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:48,920
Speaker 1: if one guy's in l A, one guy's Seattle, and

1603
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:51,080
Speaker 1: the other guys in New York, Like, they're gonna get

1604
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:54,639
Speaker 1: there at different times. It logistically become to me that's

1605
01:22:54,680 --> 01:22:57,400
Speaker 1: the most difficult part is flying guys in and out

1606
01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:00,880
Speaker 1: the games. Whatever they figure it out. It would just

1607
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:04,840
Speaker 1: be your roster, bringing a new practice squad guys that

1608
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:07,120
Speaker 1: that would be a challenge, but I feel it's kind

1609
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:15,080
Speaker 1: of inevitable. That's another just positive podcast mine. I'll respond

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01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:17,400
Speaker 1: to one on one. Appreciate everyone listening, hope you guys

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01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:21,360
Speaker 1: U enjoyed the show. And uh, I appreciate all the

1612
01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:24,640
Speaker 1: kind words. Again. Go to three and out podcast like

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Speaker 1: or not like, but leave her a little review if

1614
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:30,240
Speaker 1: if you could. If you like the show, I appreciate it,

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01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 1: Apple appreciates it, and um and yeah, happy combine. That

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Speaker 1: is over and we'll just keep on humming. With free

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Speaker 1: agency right around the corner. Let's do it, baby,