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Speaker 1: Welcome in What Driving the Great Episode four thirty six.

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Speaker 1: This episode of What Driving the Gread is presented to

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Speaker 1: you by boost Mobile. Demanse, good morning. We are kind

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Speaker 1: of color coordinated in our shirts today. Yours looks resplendent.

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Speaker 1: Mine I thought looked good, and then Demant said I

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Speaker 1: looked like Woody from Toy's story. He was, however, saying

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Speaker 1: he liked the shirt. Sure, those seem to be a

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Speaker 1: little in conflict, but I'll take it a lot to

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Speaker 1: do today as this is where so we will get

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Speaker 1: to the tournament later in the show. But there are

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Speaker 1: certain things that are major sporting events or moments that

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Speaker 1: I just you know, self awareness is key to success

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Speaker 1: in anything. And I think the audience if you're a

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Speaker 1: die hard college basketball person and you listen to college

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Speaker 1: basketball pods or you're watching the games all throughout the year,

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Speaker 1: I am not the guy you're going to for deep

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Speaker 1: tournament insight. I probably should have thought of that before

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Speaker 1: I fired a few thousand dollars into March Madness survivor contests,

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Speaker 1: having not really been fully locked in to the college

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Speaker 1: basketball season all year. But we do have of the

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Speaker 1: sixteen best teams in the country all year, probably twelve

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Speaker 1: of them are left, and so it should set up

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Speaker 1: a great final few weekends, and so we will get

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Speaker 1: to that. We will also get to this time of

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Speaker 1: year is when it finally starts to feel like every

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Speaker 1: NBA game matters, where there's real stakes attached to seedings

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Speaker 1: and how things could fall. So we'll get to all

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Speaker 1: of that. And Wimby out yesterday and with his chess said, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think I'm the MVP should be noted by the way,

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Speaker 1: if he wins MVP, his next contract is fifty million

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Speaker 1: dollars more than if he doesn't, and so now he

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Speaker 1: has an opportunity this year or next year for that,

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Speaker 1: and so there is you know, he obviously has a case,

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Speaker 1: but he also has I don't think this is what

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Speaker 1: he's thinking about, but major financial incentive because of the

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Speaker 1: odd way the NBA does Max and super Max and

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Speaker 1: what you are or aren't eligible for. So we'll get

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Speaker 1: to all of that, but first straight to voicemail presented

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Speaker 1: to you by our friends at boost Mobile. Kevin Durant

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Speaker 1: moves into the top five all time in scoring, which

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Speaker 1: also does mean Michael Jordan is no longer the top

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Speaker 1: five in scoring, which does also mean it's kind of

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Speaker 1: hard to find the things. Michael Jordan is first in

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Speaker 1: you know, field goal attempts per game in the modern era.

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Speaker 1: He's first points per game. He is first scoring average,

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Speaker 1: but Luca's on his neck on that. Luca is less

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Speaker 1: than one point per game behind him and could run

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Speaker 1: him down, and so Jorgan. But here is the thing

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Speaker 1: that I really want to focus on with the Durant

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Speaker 1: piece of it. Lebron is first all time in points,

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Speaker 1: first in shot attempts. Kareema is second all time in points.

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Speaker 1: Kareem is second in shot attempts. Karl Malone is third

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Speaker 1: all time in points. He's third in shot attempts. Kobe

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Speaker 1: Michael is sixth all time in points, He's fifth in

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Speaker 1: shot attempts. Because Kevin Durant is fifth all time in

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Speaker 1: points demanse while being thirteenth in field goal attempts. That's

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Speaker 1: pretty remarkable, and I wouldn't call him that. But he

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Speaker 1: does have a case that he's the most efficient scorer ever, Okay,

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Speaker 1: And he does certainly have a case that he is,

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Speaker 1: and not only a case I might agree with him.

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Speaker 1: If he were to say he's the most versatile scorer ever,

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Speaker 2: Will be better than him? Who would you give the

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Speaker 2: title to the best scorer.

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Speaker 1: As far as best scorer his best.

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Speaker 2: Get a buget guy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think Bron and MJ are the two best.

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Speaker 1: Now people blanche when you include Lebron and.

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Speaker 2: That because it's like my ISO game, well because.

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Speaker 1: They for some reason people are like, well, getting to

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Speaker 1: the bucket doesn't count, but it does, and and so

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Speaker 1: like the you know apex, Lebron was as sure fire

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Speaker 1: getting there. But when people say score a little too often,

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Speaker 1: But when people say best scorers, they will mention shit.

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Speaker 1: Some people will mention Alan Iverson before they mentioned Kareem

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Speaker 1: but I'm gonna tell you someone else who might finish

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Speaker 1: his career with the strongest argument, and that's Luca. Luca

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Speaker 1: Kevin Durant's on the very very very short list and

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Speaker 1: he was way way out pacing his career ranking in points,

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Speaker 1: than he was on the shot attempts list. So shout

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Speaker 1: out to Kevin Durant. I you know this is we

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Speaker 1: weren't even sposed to a full topic on it. We

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Speaker 1: kind of did Pacers get their first win in five

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Speaker 1: good for the Lakers that the Pacers finally won right

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Speaker 1: back to losing, and Emo Doka says, Houston disrespected the game.

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Speaker 1: The Rockets are in free fall and they are the

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Speaker 1: team everybody is going to want to face in Round one.

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Speaker 1: let's get to Victor WindMan Yama best Player in the

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Speaker 1: World to the NBA MVP race.

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Speaker 3: Yes, So on the TV show you said that you

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Speaker 3: believe Jokic still has the title for best in the World,

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Speaker 3: but that's for now because we have the postseason coming

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Speaker 3: up and guys like Sga, Luca and Wimby will be

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Speaker 3: gunning for that spot. Do you think that it's actually

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Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, absolutely so. I think that if any of those,

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Speaker 1: let's just go one by one. If the Thunder win

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Speaker 1: the title and Shay he's either gonna win MVP or

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Speaker 1: no instance in league history where someone peeled that type

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Speaker 1: for many arguable him versus Bron Steph when they won

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Speaker 1: but Durant won Finals MVP, but again there was Bron

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Speaker 1: and so Shay would have the argument Luca is. Here's

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Speaker 1: Luke exactly right. So I think Luca, well, maybe it

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Speaker 1: it will be a universally held opinion and probably correctly

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Speaker 1: And then for Joker, it's he kind of needs to

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Speaker 1: not a lot of There's not a lot of example

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Speaker 1: now it's a real argument. I think the best player

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Speaker 1: and we're talking about Wimby. In a moment, Brew has

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Speaker 1: been arguing Wimby. I think Luca is trying to build

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Speaker 1: so to speak. All right, let's talk Wimby and MVP

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Speaker 3: Uh yeah, So Wimby made his case for MVP after

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Speaker 3: the game and Oppressor, and here's what he had to say.

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Speaker 4: My first one would be that defense is fifty percent

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Speaker 4: into mpby race. Second argument would be that we almost

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Speaker 4: swept Okay seeing this season and we dominated him. My

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Speaker 4: third argument would be that offense impact is not just.

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Speaker 1: Points Okay, So before I even get to the actual

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Speaker 3: I actually like it because I feel like some guys

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Speaker 1: All right, Demansey, Let's go to the Lakers.

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Speaker 3: Lakers lost in a close one last night to the

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Speaker 3: Pistons without any caid Cunningham lebron didn't score in the

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Speaker 3: second half.

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Speaker 1: You went in the first half or in the first

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Speaker 1: half in.

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Speaker 2: The first half, apologies.

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Speaker 3: You want it as far as to elevating the Lakers

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Speaker 3: into the Celtics and Spurs tire Are you walking that

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Speaker 3: back a little bit? They didn't beat Detroit one time

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Speaker 3: this year either. I think that's the team you need

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Speaker 3: to beat the Lakers.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's interesting, I the I mean that's that means,

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Speaker 1: so they're always against Detroit. Yeah, and the Spurs or

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Speaker 1: maybe the the Spurs obviously can bring a similar defense

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Speaker 1: the Celtics, different style, but can bring great defense the

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Speaker 1: Thunder more than any team in the league.

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Speaker 2: That's what I can.

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Speaker 1: Bring, Uh, you know, a great physical defense. Here's why

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Speaker 1: I'm the Yes, I do think it was just one game,

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Speaker 1: and you've won nine in a row, you're on this

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Speaker 1: road trip, and I what I thought was most noteworthy

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Speaker 1: about that game is the and the Lakers are a

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Speaker 1: combined I think one in seven against Celtic Spurs Thunder.

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Speaker 1: So that is certainly noteworthy. What and they play the

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Speaker 1: Thunder a couple more times here in the final two

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Speaker 1: weeks of the year. The Lakers were down eighteen and

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Speaker 1: didn't pack it in. And they, you know, they despite

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Speaker 1: the fact that they're on this winning streak, despite the

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Speaker 1: fact that they have some games to play with and

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Speaker 1: they know their next three. By the way, demons are

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Speaker 1: Pacers Wizard's nets. They fought all the way back and

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Speaker 1: had a lead with thirty seconds left. The end of

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Speaker 1: game was clumsy. Jake la Ravia committed a terrible foul

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Speaker 1: and then Luca took a really tough shot down one.

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Speaker 2: Then little bit more time there.

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Speaker 1: Talking with the buzzer, you're talking about the down three, yeah,

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Speaker 1: or to force overtime, and then their final possession. What

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Speaker 1: happened I think in the final possession Demonday, when they

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Speaker 1: were down three was Luca got the ball and was

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Speaker 1: concerned that the Pistons were gonna intentionally foul to stop

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Speaker 1: him from getting up a three, and because of that,

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Speaker 1: he tried to be a little more herky jerky rather

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Speaker 1: than just go into a shooting motion, and then all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, he was you know, he was screwed.

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Speaker 1: But I do think I think Lakers Spurs in a

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Speaker 1: series is a sixty forty series, and I think Spurs edge,

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Speaker 1: but I think a sixty to forty. And I think

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Speaker 1: that if the Lakers were to get to the finals,

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Speaker 1: which is the only place they could play the Celtics,

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Speaker 1: it would have meant that they streamed together basically three

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Speaker 1: months of elite basketball, like the last month what you know,

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Speaker 1: the end of the regular season in the month and

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Speaker 1: a half the playoffs leading into the finals. I think

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Speaker 1: the Thunder of the best team in the league. They

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Speaker 1: and I put the fact that they had that little

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Speaker 1: midseason swoon a lot to kind of boredom. However, we

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Speaker 1: are on seven consecutive defending champions, not only not defending

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Speaker 1: their title, not only not making it back to the finals,

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Speaker 1: but seventh straight have not made it or sixth straight.

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Speaker 1: This seventh Yero would be the Thunder made it to

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Speaker 1: the conference finals. And so the there is there is

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Speaker 1: a path that exists that we're going to get into

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Speaker 1: later where the Lakers don't have to play the Thunder

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Speaker 1: to make the finals. And do I think they can

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Speaker 1: beat the Spurs? Do I think a Lakers team that

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Speaker 1: has in its major in its rotation Austin Reeve of

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Speaker 1: its starting lineup, Austin Reeves with the least playoff experience

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Speaker 1: has played in the conference finals. DeAndre Ayton third least

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Speaker 1: or second? How am I saying this second least playoff

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Speaker 1: experience has been to the NBA finals, Luca who's been

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Speaker 1: to a finals, Marcus Smart who's been to a finals,

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Speaker 1: and bron who's played like three hundred playoff games, compared

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Speaker 1: to the Spurs. Who's starting lineup is or five most

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Speaker 1: important guys? Wimby was zero playoff games, Castle with zero

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Speaker 1: playoff games, Dylan Harper was zero playoff games, dearon Fox

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Speaker 1: with seven playoff games, and then Harrison Barnes with seventy one.

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Speaker 1: Who you know, Harrison Barnes is the experience on the team.

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Speaker 1: It's Barnes seventy one, Fox seven and everyone else. If

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Speaker 1: you go down the rotation until you get to Luke Cornett,

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Speaker 1: everyone else has zero. I do think that that matters,

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Speaker 1: And so I think that I'm fine with having Thunder

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Speaker 1: here and then Spurs, Celtics, Lakers there, and then all

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Speaker 1: everyone else Nick's, Pistons, Nuggets, Timberwolves on that robe beneath

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Speaker 1: them all. Right, what else you got here?

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Speaker 2: Uh? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: So this is now back to back twelve point games

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Speaker 3: from Lebron.

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Speaker 2: Is this the norm moving forward?

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Speaker 1: Twelve point games? I don't think so. But this was

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Speaker 1: his first scoreless first half Demons in sixteen years, and

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00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: he said it after the game, what's best for the

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Speaker 1: team is for me to take the third most shot.

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Speaker 1: And it's correct, like him being able to be Swiss

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Speaker 1: Army Knife Lebron deploy more of his energy as a

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Speaker 1: defender and a cutter is what's best for him. And

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Speaker 1: Lebron is the greatest leader in the history of the NBA,

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00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: the most versatile player in the history of the NBA,

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Speaker 1: and the smartest player in the history of the NBA.

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Speaker 1: He is going to play the Now here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: If this Lakers team, Demonse was mediocre, and if he

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Speaker 1: was hadn't missed the beginning of the year and was

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Speaker 1: All NBA eligible, if they were an average team and

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Speaker 1: he could make the All NBA team, I think he

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Speaker 1: would have a harder time taking on this role. Like

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to score seventeen a game for, you know,

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Speaker 1: for a forty two and forty team and break my

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Speaker 1: All NBA streak. But the All NBA streak got broken

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Speaker 1: before Halloween because of the miss games. And this team,

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Speaker 1: while not a huge championship shot, has a championship shot,

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Speaker 1: and so I think he's fine with the role. All right,

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Speaker 1: You got a Luca question here.

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Speaker 3: Luca got a technical over the weekend, rescinded with upcoming

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Speaker 3: games against the Pacers, Nets, and Wizards. Do you think

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Speaker 3: he should intentionally get teed.

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Speaker 1: Up So I've been saying this and nobody seems to

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Speaker 1: like this take. But I think that Luca absolutely, in

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Speaker 1: one of the next two games, if the Lakers have

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Speaker 1: a big lead, late should intentionally get a technical, serve

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Speaker 1: his suspension, and reset the suspension clock. So here's the

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Speaker 1: way it works. You get suspended on your sixteenth technical,

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Speaker 1: and then it's every other one. Then it's eighteen twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty two. So right now he has a zero technical

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Speaker 1: margin of error. If he were to get one in

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Speaker 1: the Pacers game, he then misses the next game, and

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Speaker 1: then he has one technical exactly.

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Speaker 2: That's not enough for the man.

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Speaker 1: Well, he's been really it's been he's been really good

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Speaker 1: the last ever since he got fifteen, he's been good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And so.

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Speaker 1: I just don't What I don't want is if he

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Speaker 1: goes through these next three games with no technicals, they

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Speaker 1: then have here, they have this stretch after these three

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Speaker 1: home for Cleveland. So honestly, because they play Washington and

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00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:28,399
Speaker 1: then Cleveland on a back to back, Lucas should get

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Speaker 1: the technical against Brooklyn, sit the Washington game, be rested

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Speaker 1: for the Cleveland game because it's on a back to back,

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Speaker 1: Because then after that you have this stretch. Demante at

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Speaker 1: OKAC at Dallas home for OKAC at Dallas, Luca is

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Speaker 1: gonna be fired up.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: Do I see a scenario where he gets a technical

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Speaker 1: in Dallas and then has to miss the home OKC game.

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Speaker 1: I do, so, just burn one, burn one soon and

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00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: get your rest. All right, Let's talk Thunder Celtics.

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Speaker 3: So the Rain and Champs are getting Jada back finally

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00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 3: they are facing off with my Celtics tomorrow and that

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Speaker 3: is the finals favorite matchup.

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Speaker 2: Who do you think this will be telling for?

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Speaker 1: Well? I think that neither of these teams are gonna

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Speaker 1: look at all like they'll look come the finals because

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Speaker 1: Tatum is just still Like listen, we knew these growing

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00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: pains were gonna be coming for Tatum. His shots been off.

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Speaker 1: That's why getting him back in early March instead of

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Speaker 1: early April was so important. So hopefully he's got the

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Speaker 1: rust knocked off by the playoffs. The Thunder with Jada

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Speaker 1: coming back is so odd because he's their second best

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Speaker 1: player and over the last few years he's had no

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Speaker 1: impact whatsoever and whether they've won or lost like they

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Speaker 1: have been righturd wise over a huge sample. Just as

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Speaker 1: good with him or without him, as with him now,

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Speaker 1: I do think that him coming back is important, if

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Speaker 1: for no other reason than now someone if someone else

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Speaker 1: gets hurt. You're not all of a sudden thin on guys.

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Speaker 1: But aside from Shay, no one on the Thunder is irreplaceable.

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Speaker 1: And I so the Thunder gonna you know, they'll work

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Speaker 1: him back in. They're gonna continue to be excellent, and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about their potential playoff matchups here in

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Speaker 1: a minute. The interesting part of the Tatum of this

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Speaker 1: is Tatum, slowly but surely, trying to get back to

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Speaker 1: being Jason Tatum, and it is going to be slow.

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Speaker 1: So he has not demand's shot fifty percent the field

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Speaker 1: in a single game yet, and I'm fine with it.

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Speaker 1: He's rebounding like crazy, he is like way about. He's

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Speaker 1: at nine rebounds a game. He has four of his

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Speaker 1: six games, four of his eight games. He's been back.

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Speaker 1: He's been in double digit rebounds. He is getting to

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Speaker 1: the line. He's just not making jump shots. That's fine.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, and I should He's not getting to the line,

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Speaker 1: is what I meant to say. And he's not getting

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Speaker 1: he's not making his jump shots. He's got to get

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Speaker 1: his legs underneath him, and he will.

645
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 2: Are you still where you're at?

646
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 3: Okay, you are clearly a couple of weeks ago with

647
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 3: what he means for the Celtics.

648
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: So here's the thing. I want to kind of like

649
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: make this clear on my Celtics pick to win the title.

650
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:02,919
Speaker 1: If there were not conferences and you just had all

651
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: sixteen teams jumbled together in the playoffs by record, I

652
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 1: don't think I would pick the Celtics to win that tournament.

653
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 2: That's fair the just because like how soon they would

654
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:18,720
Speaker 2: have to see the West.

655
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 3: Yes, like Tatum gets more time to ramp up in

656
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 3: the East by the time you see the West.

657
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 1: That's fair, right, And so by the time the Celtics

658
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: get to the finals, Tatum will have played nearly three

659
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: months post Achilles. I also think the Celtics are less

660
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: likely to get beat the hell up en route to

661
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:45,439
Speaker 1: the finals as whomever comes out of the West. And

662
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 1: so I it's picking the Celtics to win the title

663
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: is part that I think they match up well with anybody,

664
00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: but also I think that they are such a huge

665
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 1: favorite to me to come out of the East, while

666
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: the West to me has three very viable contenders that I.

667
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: I'm just very confident the Celtics are gonna be there,

668
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 1: and I don't know in the West who's gonna be there.

669
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 1: The there's an argument for obviously, for the Thunder, but

670
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: I just talked about the issues with defending champs this

671
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: decade and how hard it's been and the fact that

672
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: the Spurs have owned them. There's an argument for the Spurs.

673
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: They're twenty one and two in their last twenty three,

674
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 1: Wimby is only getting better, but they have no playoff

675
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: experience whatsoever. There's an argument for the Lakers, which is,

676
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: we have seen Luca do this before, but they're clearly

677
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 1: the worst defense of the three. Like there's and and

678
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: so I just don't know who's coming out of the West,

679
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: and I feel like I know who's coming out of

680
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 1: the East. Speaking of how these things can go, let's

681
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: talk playoff matchups.

682
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 3: Play in tournament begins in three weeks, and the playoff

683
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 3: picture is becoming more clear. Which matchups are you hoping

684
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 3: to see?

685
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's start in the East, all right? In

686
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 1: the East, I I am not as fascinated by the

687
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: Charlotte Hornets as others, and I Am not. You know,

688
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: I don't think they would provide any resistance whatsoever for

689
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: any team. So I'm fine with Charlotte missing it, And

690
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 1: with respect to BAM, I don't need to see the

691
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:56,959
Speaker 1: heat in the playoffs. Just for pure cinema demons. I

692
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:03,720
Speaker 1: think around one Piston magic series with Caid fresh off

693
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: the collapsed lung or maybe missing time, we might get

694
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: an old school early two thousand's or nineties series where

695
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: the games are like eighty three to seventy eight. If

696
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: we have the Pistons without Cad and that magic team.

697
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: I want the Sixers to make it because I do

698
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 1: think the Sixers whole are interesting, and I think if

699
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: Embiid's healthy, Embiid and Maxie coming back, a Sixers Knicks

700
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 1: Round one would be delightful.

701
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 4: Yeah.

702
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 1: I would just really like to see that the so listen.

703
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 1: I don't really the East though round one is not

704
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: as interesting. We are going to get Boston and the

705
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 1: Knicks in round two, and I think we're going to

706
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: get Detroit and Cleveland in round two two, and I

707
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: think that's going to end up with us getting a

708
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 1: Boston Detroit Round three. Well Detroit with a question on

709
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 1: K But I don't trust Cleveland at all. That's why

710
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: I feel I feel like Boston Knicks Round two is

711
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:22,240
Speaker 1: the most We're definitely getting that series. The Knicks aren't

712
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: gonna fall to four, and Boston's not climb into one.

713
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: The question about that series is who's the two and

714
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: who's the three? That to me, will be the defining

715
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: series in the in the East, now in the West,

716
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 1: it gets fascinating. Okay, the Warriors are cooked. They're gonna

717
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 1: make the play in and they're gonna lose in the plane.

718
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: So the Warriors are listen, it's a bummer for steph Uh,

719
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: color me shot. And they obviously just lost Moses Moody

720
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: to a horrifying injury. The Warriors are cooked. I don't

721
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: believe the Blazers are gonna get to the finish line.

722
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: So we are going to get in the first play

723
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 1: in game for the seventh seed. Demanse Sun's Clippers. Okay,

724
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: I who would I want Oklahoma City to play? Who

725
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 1: would I want San Antonio to play? I would like

726
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 1: to see Sun Spurs and thunder Clippers. I you know,

727
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: I guess either one of those would be Okay, I

728
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 1: don't think either one of those teams can throw a

729
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: scare in the thunder. The Spurs win a game, maybe two,

730
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 1: Kawhi obviously, you know, just playing.

731
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, but them spook Okay a little bit.

732
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it'd be fun. I'd love to see it.

733
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 2: Potentially, Well, that's.

734
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 1: The real question. Could the Clippers throw some body blows

735
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: at Okase just enough? Like what the Clippers did? Was

736
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: it the Clippers last year against the against the Nuggets,

737
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: right the Yeah, the Clippers in Round one against the

738
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 1: Nuggets last year took them seven, and then the Nuggets

739
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:31,800
Speaker 1: last year after going seven, they then took Okac seven

740
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: and were just out of gas at the end. Poor

741
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:38,439
Speaker 1: Aaron Gordon's hobbling around, and so like there is at

742
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: tax on that. The thing I'm more interested in is

743
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 1: the way it falls the rest of the bracket. And

744
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: I guess what I'm saying is, I think the most

745
00:54:54,360 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: likely bracket is the one we have right now. If

746
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: you frozen, Okac's obviously gonna be the one. The Spurs

747
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: of the two Lakers, three Nuggets, four Timberwolves, five Rockets six,

748
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 1: that is the best for the Lakers get the Rockets

749
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: in round one, and the Rockets seem very amenable to that,

750
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 1: but also a Denver Minnesota Round one when that was

751
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 1: the insane down three to two, Minnesota annihilates Denver in

752
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: Game six and then as a twenty point comeback in

753
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 1: Game seven to end Denver's title defense. That would be

754
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 1: a great Round one. And if that were to happen,

755
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:49,800
Speaker 1: I'm telling you right now, Oklahoma City is rooting for Denver.

756
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I said that wrong. Oklahoma City is rooting

757
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:57,399
Speaker 1: for Minnesota. Okac for as great as they are, they

758
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 1: just don't deal well with Joker. It's not that anybody

759
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 1: deals well with Joker, but Joker gives them more trouble

760
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 1: than anybody. And that for the Lakers, this is the hope, okay,

761
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 1: that the Suns or the Clippers can take the Spurs

762
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 1: six games, wear them down just a bit, that you

763
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 1: get the Rockets, who hate each other. In round one,

764
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: he use won back to back games in Houston. You

765
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 1: deal with the Rockets. In round two, Luca is unguardable

766
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: and the Spurs aren't quite ready and Denver clips the

767
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: Thunder and all of a sudden, you have home court advantage.

768
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 1: And it's the team that before you got Luca and

769
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: owned you. But since you've gotten Luca, you have had

770
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:10,280
Speaker 1: great success against and it's Lakers Nuggets in the conference finals.

771
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: That's the Lakers, you know. Ideal way for the playoffs

772
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,680
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785
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: some quick hitters as we wrap the show.

786
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 3: We are officially to the sweet sixteen in the tournament.

787
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 3: You are upset at the lack of upsets. What's called

788
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 3: it's underwhelming.

789
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,479
Speaker 1: It's it's not that I'm gonna be like the old

790
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: man yelling at a cloud here. And I wouldn't have

791
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,439
Speaker 1: said terrible at tourney. That's too harsh. And I bet

792
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 1: the next two weekends are great, but I miss what

793
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: nil on the transfer portal of Dune and stripping mid

794
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 1: majors of continuity and the ability to build towards something

795
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 1: is a bummer for the tourney. It just is it.

796
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 1: Maybe it will create even better elite eights and final fours,

797
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 1: but for the first few rounds of the tourney, what

798
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 1: you used to have was these mid major teams who

799
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: guys have been there for three or four years together,

800
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 1: grown together, played together, know each other, and they can

801
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 1: beat a team with a bunch of McDonald's, all Americans.

802
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 1: And now that those mid major teams just get stripped

803
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: for parts, and that is to me a bummer. It's not.

804
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 2: Eating.

805
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe there are some ideas, but it's that

806
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 1: would be a whole. I don't want to flippantly throw

807
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: those out. One because I haven't spent a ton of

808
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 1: time really deep thinking on it, and the other is

809
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:46,439
Speaker 1: because I do think in theory it's good these kids

810
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: are getting paid, and I advocated for that for years,

811
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 1: but I also do wonder like, man, for some of

812
00:59:54,520 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 1: these kids, you know, them getting paid should happen, but

813
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: would they ultimately not only have a better college experience,

814
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 1: but also maybe ultimately have higher earning lifetime potential by

815
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 1: creating real roots in a community if they made six

816
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 1: hundred grand over four years playing for one school versus

817
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 1: making nine hundred grand over four years playing for three

818
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 1: schools and kind of just hopping from place to place, Like,

819
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: I think that is complicated, so to speak, and I

820
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 1: so I I the maybe in the summer we could

821
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 1: do an episode on ideas. I don't want to flippantly

822
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 1: throw stuff out because I don't like when I throw

823
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: out an idea and then an hour later I'm like, oh,

824
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 1: obviously that's why that wouldn't work. But it does. It

825
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: has taken some of the care her away from the tournament,

826
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 1: all right.

827
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 2: Next the Seahawks.

828
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 3: They finally locked up JSN nearly one hundred and seventy

829
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 3: million dollars. What was your reaction to this?

830
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 1: So just quick hitter a bunch of them. One is

831
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 1: Pooka's about to get paid probably a little bit more

832
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 1: than this and deserves it. Another one, I think the

833
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 1: price to trade for AJ Brown just went up a

834
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: bit because his contract now is even more of a bargain.

835
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 1: Another one. I think that this could this makes drafting

836
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 1: a wide receiver in round one all the more attractive

837
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 1: because it's now having that cost control of a wide

838
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 1: receiver that you think can be a star. That it's

839
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 1: now a forty plus million dollars a year position. And

840
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 1: it also made me wonder, are they gonna have to

841
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 1: give Donald a new deal because now Donald's receiver makes

842
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 1: more money on an average annual basis than he does.

843
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 3: All right, next, Yeah, so the NFL stars got embarrassed

844
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 3: in the flag football game by a team USA.

845
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 2: How does it feel to see?

846
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 3: How shocking was it to see NFL players get embarrassed

847
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 3: like that?

848
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 1: Well, listen, I was shocked. If I hadn't seen the

849
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 1: games or highlights from it, I would have not believed

850
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 1: it at the scores. But then once I saw what

851
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 1: evidently flag football is at this level different. It's tag

852
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 1: with a ball, and I think it is it that

853
01:02:56,920 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 1: just that is akin to what but frisbee golf is

854
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:05,919
Speaker 1: to golf like it's pickleball is closer to tennis than

855
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 1: that was to football. It's not knocking those athletes at all,

856
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 1: and good for them that they I think state put

857
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 1: their you know, no pun intended, planted their flag. That

858
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 1: they should be the ones at the Olympics, not the

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Speaker 1: NFL players. That's fine, but that ain't football, is one

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Speaker 1: hundred laterals, it's it's it's tag. They're playing tag, which

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Speaker 1: is cool. I'm not against it, but it's not football,

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Speaker 1: which is totally fine. All right, Last couple things, So.

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Speaker 3: A few weeks ago, we were talking about Travis Kelcey

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Speaker 3: potentially retiring maybe next year. This is this last year?

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Speaker 3: You just signed a three year deal. How surprising was

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Speaker 3: this for you? Are you not surprised at all?

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Speaker 1: So I can I can no longer you know, pussy

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Speaker 1: foot around this and this. I've had dinner with this guy.

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Speaker 1: I share an agent with this guy. I have nothing

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Speaker 1: against him personally, much to the opposite. But Ian Rapaport's

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Speaker 1: tweet about Travis Kelsey's contract for me, when it comes

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Speaker 1: to credible, I don't want to say credible reporting. That

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01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 1: seems too harsh. But this is now the second time

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Speaker 1: in a couple weeks that Rappaport has via his very

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Speaker 1: popular and followed Twitter account, blatantly misinformed the public. So

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Speaker 1: the first one was the trade. Remember who was it

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Speaker 1: where they were like, well, essentially fifth round value.

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Speaker 2: And it was offens I think, yeah, it.

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Speaker 1: Was whoever it was? Was it jews scrugg But no,

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Speaker 1: but it was no, it was no, No, that's right.

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Speaker 1: It was jew scrugs. Was like the throw in that

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Speaker 1: we were saying made. It was a fourth and a

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Speaker 1: seventh plus jew scrugs that they were like, so essentially

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Speaker 1: fifth round value. It was it was it was it

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Speaker 1: the David David Montgomery trade whatever it was, it was back.

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01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:56,280
Speaker 1: And instead of just saying, oh the deal terms changed,

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Speaker 1: you called a fourth, a seventh and a player fifth

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Speaker 1: round value. This Kelsey thing is worse. Okay, here is

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Speaker 1: the contract Travis kelce signed America. And I know this

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Speaker 1: because it was fully reported while I was in Japan.

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01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 1: I'm not breaking this news. He signed a deal that

892
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Speaker 1: is a one year, twelve million dollar deal that has

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Speaker 1: three million dollars in earnable incentives. That is the effective

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Speaker 1: deal he signed. Okay, the actual pin to paper details

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Speaker 1: on it are as follows. In year one, Travis Kelcey

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Speaker 1: makes twelve million dollars with three million possible on incentives.

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Speaker 1: In year two, he makes the league minimum, and on

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Speaker 1: the fifth day of the league year in year two,

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Speaker 1: so early March of twenty twenty seven, if he's on

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Speaker 1: the roster, the Chiefs pay him forty million dollars, and

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01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 1: then in year three he makes the league minimum. Again.

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Speaker 1: You might say, well, that doesn't make any sense. That

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Speaker 1: is purely an accounting mechanism, akin to teams using void

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Speaker 1: years so they can spread this this twelve million dollar

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Speaker 1: contract over the next three years. There is absolutely no

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Speaker 1: shot even if Travis decides I want to keep playing

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Speaker 1: that he is going to get a forty million dollar

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Speaker 1: balloon payment in early March. Everyone knows that, which is

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Speaker 1: why if your goal is to inform the public, report

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01:07:52,760 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 1: the actual information, the real actionable intel is Travis kelce

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Speaker 1: is on a de facto one year, twelve million dollar

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Speaker 1: deal where he can make three million in incentives to tweet.

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Speaker 1: The following out is disinformation. Chiefs pro Bowl tied end.

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Speaker 1: Travis Kelcey assigned his contract, officially locking him in for

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. It's a three year, fifty four point

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Speaker 1: seven three five million dollar deal that can be worth

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Speaker 1: up to fifty seven point seven three five eighteen point

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Speaker 1: two four five million average done by agent Mike Simon

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Speaker 1: of Milk County Sport. Your one is twelve million plus

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Speaker 1: three million incentives. No, it can't. It cannot be worth

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Speaker 1: up to fifty seven million. It can't be, and it's

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Speaker 1: it is again. I'm not Edward R. Murrow, and I'm

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Speaker 1: not even a journalist. But if you are gonna consider

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Speaker 1: yourself a reporter and your job is to inform the

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Speaker 1: public about news, then you cannot willingly put out intentionally,

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Speaker 1: wildly misleading information because you want the guy who runs

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Speaker 1: Milk Honey Sport to owe you a favor. It cannot

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Speaker 1: be worth up to fifty seven point seven three five

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Speaker 1: million dollars. It is not an eighteen point two four

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Speaker 1: five million dollar average. It is a one year twelve

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Speaker 1: million dollar deal that can be worth up to fifteen

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Speaker 1: and then in a fake year two he makes the

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Speaker 1: league minimum, and in a fake year three makes the

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Speaker 1: league minimum, and in between those years they would all

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Speaker 1: a forty million dollar check. Like, come on, so whatever,

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Speaker 1: He's not the only guy that does this, but this

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Speaker 1: is this, along with a fourth or seventh and a

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Speaker 1: player being fifth round value, is as egregious as it gets.

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Speaker 1: That's twice just this offseason. So I'll deal, like, if

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Speaker 1: this gets written about or clipped or whatever, include this

941
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Speaker 1: piece of it. Nothing personal, and I've enjoyed our interactions.

942
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Speaker 1: And if you're mad at me, you're mad at me.

943
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Speaker 1: But come on, man, you know better. And it's not NFL.

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Speaker 1: This is the last thing. The reason I care about this.

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Speaker 1: It's not football fans' job to really like scour over

946
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Speaker 1: the CAAP dot com and then be like, oh wait,

947
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Speaker 1: he's due forty million dollars early in the league year

948
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Speaker 1: of twenty twenty seven. There obviously not paying that. So

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Speaker 1: this is just a cap mechanism. It's they're doing They're busy,

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Speaker 1: they're doing something. See you're they're like, oh shit, Travis

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Speaker 1: Kelcey thought he might retire three year deal eighteen million

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Speaker 1: A good for him and his move on. Also, you're

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Speaker 1: setting up the poor Chiefs in eleven and a half

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Speaker 1: months when you know Travis retires, but they have to

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Speaker 1: officially cut him for the Swifties to be furious with us.

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Speaker 1: Took forty million out of Travis and Taylor's pocket. It's

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Speaker 1: not what happened, all right, Uh, the producers really want

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Speaker 1: me to do this. I'm doing it Thursday. I'm doing

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Speaker 1: it Thursday, Public Defender on Alligators Thursday. We'll save it

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Speaker 1: for then. Real quick, ask Brandon's one question before we go.

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Speaker 3: Brandon says, you think there are four teams that can

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Speaker 3: realistically win the title? OKC San Antonio, Lakers, Boston. If

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Speaker 3: you were forced to pick a fifth, who would it be?

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Speaker 1: No question? The fifth would be Denver just on the

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Speaker 1: power of Joker, and the sixth would be the next.

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Speaker 1: But I think those both those teams are drawing very

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Speaker 1: very slim. All right, great job everybody, Please like, rate, subscribe, review,

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Speaker 1: send my apologies to you and Rappaport. Thank you to

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Speaker 1: hard Rock and Boost. Thank you to Blue Duck. In

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Speaker 1: the volume. We will talk to you guys on Thursday

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Speaker 1: and Friday this week. What's right