Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristen Davis, and I want to know are
Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? You guys Mario Cantone is here.
Speaker 2: I've been waiting. It's so exciting.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: That's what he said when I texted him, Hey, do
Speaker 3: you want to be on the podcast?
Speaker 2: Oh? I hope. So I've been waiting for you to
Speaker 2: ask me.
Speaker 1: But my feeling was in my mind when I agreed
Speaker 1: to do the podcast to rewatch, which I hadn't rewatched,
Speaker 1: you know, since it originally came on. I thought, I'm
Speaker 1: going to go chronologically and in order.
Speaker 2: But it's too.
Speaker 3: Hard to wait.
Speaker 2: Okay, it is too hard to wait. And so funny.
Speaker 2: I caught myself because I saw that we were going
Speaker 2: to recap this episode, and I was like, why aren't
Speaker 2: we doing an episode? I'm in that we and she
Speaker 2: was and I went, oh, wait a minute, Okay, you're
Speaker 2: doing one at a time. You're doing a chronological.
Speaker 1: Correct I said, so great, And well you're just you're
Speaker 1: just such a joy that I have to have you now.
Speaker 2: I needed to be here. I know he was.
Speaker 3: He was not messed around. He was like, well, I
Speaker 3: was waiting.
Speaker 2: I've been waiting. I know.
Speaker 3: We came all the way to lovely San Francisco.
Speaker 2: I know, I talk to you and we're in beautiful
Speaker 2: Marinecome it's very beautiful, beautiful. I mean, wow, There's there's
Speaker 2: a lovely little town that I'd say at once in
Speaker 2: a while called Bolinas, which is like hidden. The locals
Speaker 2: ripped the signs down. Don't know how to get there
Speaker 2: unless secret, guys. Beautiful.
Speaker 1: So here is Mario, the fantastic Mario Cantone. Now what
Speaker 1: I want to do with you? Let's go back to
Speaker 1: the beginning.
Speaker 3: Okay, I want to ask you. Okay, what year did
Speaker 3: you get cast? And how did it come about? On
Speaker 3: Sex and the City.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I started I in the eighties. I was
Speaker 2: doing stand up with Michael Patrick King at them at
Speaker 2: the forty fourth Street and ninth Avenue, the original improv
Speaker 2: that Bud Friedman and Silver Friedman owned, and then they
Speaker 2: divorced it. Bud got the one in la and Silver
Speaker 2: got the one in New York. She passed me. I
Speaker 2: met Michael. He was in a comedy theme at the time,
Speaker 2: Wow King and Mende, and then he ended up stand
Speaker 2: up on his own right. I remember one time Joan Rivers'
Speaker 2: husband had just passed away. And so he Michael said
Speaker 2: to me, Okay, you're Joan Rivers, who also knew that
Speaker 2: I did her and loved me. Okay, she goes, have
Speaker 2: to preface it, so she goes, you're Joan Rivers, You're
Speaker 2: on a cruise and get just died. You're grieving, you're
Speaker 2: getting over it. Go I would have to like improv
Speaker 2: like Melissa, how are you? Can I sit down, Let's
Speaker 2: have some breakfast and we're doing better today? Wait? Just
Speaker 2: could I get some eggs? Exit? Yeah, we would, And
Speaker 2: it went on and on, and then I ended up
Speaker 2: doing that on stage a week later, and it was
Speaker 2: Joe soon but it was very but it.
Speaker 3: Was he always got my eighties.
Speaker 2: This is the eighties. So I was doing an off
Speaker 2: broall Way show at the time. It was it was
Speaker 2: the end of nineteen ninety nine, I think, or two thousand, Okay,
Speaker 2: I think it was early two thousand and I he said,
Speaker 2: I wrote you something. So he wrote it for you.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he read.
Speaker 3: That's amazing.
Speaker 2: But I was doing an off ball show at the time,
Speaker 2: and but I went in to read just make it official,
Speaker 2: and you know, So I was doing a show called
Speaker 2: The Crumple Zone, which did very well, ran for six
Speaker 2: months off Broadway, and I I remember our night. The
Speaker 2: day we filmed. It was a tech day and a
Speaker 2: director who I loved very much not please no, he
Speaker 2: didn't want to let me out. I'm like, it's a
Speaker 2: tech day. People stand there and you light it right,
Speaker 2: and I went like this, I'm going to do this
Speaker 2: episode because there was an issue of maybe, Oh no,
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm going to do my.
Speaker 4: This episode and I went, oh no, it wasn't what
Speaker 4: was on.
Speaker 2: It was one episode that.
Speaker 1: Was wedding as your wedding Wedding player.
Speaker 2: And do you remember we had two scenes we had
Speaker 2: a second scene. I remember, Okay, see I love I
Speaker 2: love so you do every episode I don't. I was recurring.
Speaker 2: I did people go how many episodes did I do?
Speaker 2: I did twelve? Only twelve. I did one Season three,
Speaker 2: Our two, season four, three, season five and six, Season six,
Speaker 2: and then both movies. The movies really kind of solidified it,
Speaker 2: which was nice. You know. So uh there were two
Speaker 2: scenes in that first episode. There was the one hates it,
Speaker 2: the very famous hates it with yeah don't yeah, all
Speaker 2: that's okay, you're you're dragging and I'm yelling at the girl.
Speaker 2: And then there was another scene in the back of
Speaker 2: the Vera Wang in this kind of little area yep,
Speaker 2: and I was fitting you and you were getting very
Speaker 2: anxious as Charlotte and I had his scissors and it
Speaker 2: ripped the dress and you were furious and we just
Speaker 2: kind of looked at each other. That scene got cut
Speaker 2: because it was at three in the morning, four in
Speaker 2: the morning. There wasn't enough coverage, and they cut it.
Speaker 2: Luckily they cut it because it was almost like an
Speaker 2: argument between us.
Speaker 1: Oh, so it might not have gone well. So if well,
Speaker 1: they probably wanted to keep you. They probably knew already.
Speaker 3: I don't know, Noll.
Speaker 2: I remember running into Michael and he said, do you
Speaker 2: know how much great feedback we got on you? I said,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I said, and I don't care. I
Speaker 2: just want to know him I coming back, I said, yes,
Speaker 2: So that's that's adorable.
Speaker 3: I vaguely remember. They'll tell you what I remember most
Speaker 3: about the Vera Wang. So we're in Vera Wang, which
Speaker 3: I think was a big deal.
Speaker 1: Yes, and we're you know, I had already tried on
Speaker 1: like thirty five actual Vera Wang dresses to see what
Speaker 1: Charlotte would wear.
Speaker 3: It was a whole drama.
Speaker 1: And we're there and it's going very late, as was
Speaker 1: our just general m O. And I'm so sorry if
Speaker 1: I'm repeating myself, but you know all the time, it was.
Speaker 2: Very late, very late. He got out of four in
Speaker 2: the morning.
Speaker 1: Then exactly, and so the executive from HBO, Michael Hill, came,
Speaker 1: do you remember, And I remember.
Speaker 3: The reason I remember is that it's not very big
Speaker 3: in Vera Wang. It's very fautique.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So he's sitting over the over across the room, like
Speaker 3: just glaring at everyone.
Speaker 1: Because he wants us to hurry up because we're over budget, right,
Speaker 1: and he's just glaring at everyone, which doesn't help anything, No,
Speaker 1: it does.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And so I'm sure that that also influenced the scene
Speaker 1: that we the other scene that got cut, which is
Speaker 1: actually a good thing that it got cut, as you're saying,
Speaker 1: But I don't remember that other scenes, I really, I mean,
Speaker 1: when I'm rewatching, I don't remember anything.
Speaker 3: I'm like, you know.
Speaker 2: What, the first time, I just started watching a bunch
Speaker 2: of them because they're just playing them on HBO a
Speaker 2: lot now, right, And I'm seeing the young cut version
Speaker 2: of it. Usually I'm used to seeing them quickly on.
Speaker 2: I also don't like seeing myself that long ago, because.
Speaker 3: Oh, come on, I just go.
Speaker 2: Boy, was that pretty?
Speaker 3: So asdorable? You're still I was pretty happened?
Speaker 2: But you know, I remember it's so funny because I
Speaker 2: didn't remember Michael Hill. I don't. I don't remember him coming.
Speaker 2: If I had known, I probably would have been like,
Speaker 2: oh god, good thing. I didn't know.
Speaker 3: I tried to protect you from such things.
Speaker 2: And the other thing was like when you do when
Speaker 2: you were when we were rehearsing it, and I remember
Speaker 2: Betty Anne and all the crews, they were laughing hysterically,
Speaker 2: and then of course they can't laugh on. So when
Speaker 2: my comedians sick mind, you think, well, I'm not funny anymore.
Speaker 2: I've lost it, you know, there's that issue. No, But
Speaker 2: I just I remember that night like it was yesterday.
Speaker 2: And also that night, my husband's uh was opening in
Speaker 2: an off Broadway show. Oh my god, and I couldn't go,
Speaker 2: but he was so Look, this changed my life. I'm
Speaker 2: glad it changed my life. It's a and and the
Speaker 2: fact that it's come back, and it's this successful, and
Speaker 2: it's no reboot runs.
Speaker 3: We don't call it reboot, I know, you know what I'm.
Speaker 2: Saying, no reissue, no whatever. But it doesn't it doesn't
Speaker 2: happen like this.
Speaker 1: Well I think it also just doesn't happen that you
Speaker 1: get to revisit the characters for thirty years or whatever,
Speaker 1: twenty eight whatever it is. So that's alone shocking. And
Speaker 1: then the other thing that I mentioned a lot, but
Speaker 1: is really I think important to remember is that there's
Speaker 1: not I can't think of any other female driven you know, franchise,
Speaker 1: which is what we are at this point. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: is as successful and ongoing. So we're just incredibly lucky.
Speaker 1: From the series to the movies to this exactly.
Speaker 2: And also you know with within, just like that, there's
Speaker 2: been big changes made in characters all the way around.
Speaker 3: And Arlotte, well you.
Speaker 2: Know what's interesting, Yeah, except but watching watching that early episode,
Speaker 2: it was it was interesting.
Speaker 1: Well but thank you, but you.
Speaker 2: Well you know, when Charlotte did get formed, Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: interesting what happens especially let me talk about the the
Speaker 2: the the sequel here and just like that. What I
Speaker 2: think has happened to you is that your confidence level
Speaker 2: and I think this happened when you formed the character too,
Speaker 2: but it has kind of heightened. Your confidence level is
Speaker 2: stronger and your anxiety level is higher, which makes for
Speaker 2: magnificent comedy that you listen you.
Speaker 1: But I got to tell you something, there is no
Speaker 1: way that my anxiety level is higher than it was
Speaker 1: first season. That's all I can think of when I
Speaker 1: watch is how I'm talking about the cansite.
Speaker 3: I know, I don't know you.
Speaker 1: I can't say it, you know, and I don't know
Speaker 1: what that hacked, Like I don't know where this was going.
Speaker 1: But also I wasn't even worried about where it was going,
Speaker 1: like like I was more just trying to pull off Charlotte.
Speaker 1: And Charlotte was so underdeveloped, like Michael told me when
Speaker 1: he came on the podcast that he was like, I
Speaker 1: don't know how to write for that one. And I
Speaker 1: was like, I love to hear that, because definitely I
Speaker 1: I could tell that I was not fully fleshed out.
Speaker 1: And then Jenny Banks came on, which was so great
Speaker 1: because Jenny grew up on the Upper East Side, so
Speaker 1: she was actually an authority who could write me knowing
Speaker 1: what that was, you know what that was about?
Speaker 3: Did Thank god? So it came together. But what I
Speaker 3: want to say.
Speaker 1: About you, and then we're going to talk about you,
Speaker 1: because we're here to talk about you, my friend. So
Speaker 1: what I want to say is that the success that
Speaker 1: we've had for all these many years in all these
Speaker 1: different forms is because we have the most amazing cast
Speaker 1: and that includes every element of the cast and the
Speaker 1: incredible writers and the incredible fans. So you have been
Speaker 1: a huge, huge, huge part of that success.
Speaker 2: Our chemistry is so good and I love working with you.
Speaker 2: And on the note of anxiety, yes, every episode I
Speaker 2: did a Sex and the City I left that set
Speaker 2: thinking I didn't hit it. I didn't get like you think.
Speaker 2: I'd let you know, Michael, I let you go with
Speaker 2: I know I didn't get it.
Speaker 3: I know you were always so always sweet.
Speaker 2: And then I would watch it and be like, all right, yeah,
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 3: So you learned, you learned as you will.
Speaker 1: That's great because I was all I always knew that
Speaker 1: you had five times what you thought you had. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm trying to say, Like, and you just
Speaker 1: needed to take a breath, Yeah, you know, just take
Speaker 1: a breath.
Speaker 2: And now look at you now and look at me now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, unless there's a lot of bread.
Speaker 2: No kidding, Oh, well here's this is a lovely story props.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about props, you guys.
Speaker 1: Case Also you're not sure, Well he has a bread
Speaker 1: bread business.
Speaker 2: Well you know it's so funny. Tell secretly yes, and
Speaker 2: everyone knows. I've said an interviews when that first scene
Speaker 2: that we did together where I'm picking out your wedding
Speaker 2: dress and I am saying that, oh, the placket, that
Speaker 2: the lace application, I had no idea what I was saying.
Speaker 2: I didn't get that, gay Jean, I couldn't pick up
Speaker 2: your dress or your shoes. I'm not that kind of
Speaker 2: a homosexual. I don't know, I don't, I don't care,
Speaker 2: and that I don't care. I know it looks good, but.
Speaker 3: I just I don't think Michael Patrick King care is.
Speaker 2: Either No, no, it's about it's about you know. So
Speaker 2: I didn't like being a wedding planet even though that wasn't.
Speaker 3: No, but I was, no, you pulled it off.
Speaker 2: You didn't complain, no, no, no, no complain, Just say
Speaker 2: the lines and hit your mark and shut up.
Speaker 3: But we never said that.
Speaker 2: When I said that to my head, yeah, not that.
Speaker 2: I it's just like this wouldn't be my choice to
Speaker 2: play got it. But when this came on, and just
Speaker 2: like that came along, because I've known Michael years, so
Speaker 2: I just thought he said, I know, I knew I
Speaker 2: wanted to do something culinary with you. And I I bake.
Speaker 2: I sell a banana bread to a coffee shop in
Speaker 2: my neighborhood. No, yeah, I bake, I bake, I cook.
Speaker 2: I'm a big baker.
Speaker 3: Oh you cook, but I didn't know you baked.
Speaker 2: Oh, I bake, I bake a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: Wow, we've got to get your banana bread at hot Oh.
Speaker 2: I know, well, you know what. And the other interesting
Speaker 2: thing is my one of my favorite bakeries is Sullivan
Speaker 2: Street Bakery, which is right across the street from me.
Speaker 2: All the bread that we used from there, and I
Speaker 2: know Jim wagh he really, well, it's a great place.
Speaker 3: What year is it? And how did you get the part?
Speaker 1: You knew?
Speaker 3: Michael?
Speaker 2: Oh, that's right, I just read it and he and
Speaker 2: he cast me and got it.
Speaker 3: And you thought it was one.
Speaker 2: I thought it was one.
Speaker 3: So then you run into him and you're like, I
Speaker 3: don't care about the feedback.
Speaker 2: Yeah I want it again. He said, you're definitely coming back. Great.
Speaker 2: So I was on the second episode in season four, right,
Speaker 2: and then I did one other episode and season four. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then I did like three in season five and
Speaker 2: six and season six.
Speaker 1: And were you just like calmly hoping or were you
Speaker 1: calling him your agents?
Speaker 3: What were you doing?
Speaker 2: No? I didn't. I just prayed and I was coming
Speaker 2: back because I didn't. I honestly, Look, I can't call
Speaker 2: them and make them like where is my why? I
Speaker 2: don't do that. Look, And there are people that are
Speaker 2: the opposite. They're there with recurring people. There are people
Speaker 2: that are on that have recurring roles sometimes and not
Speaker 2: just our series. I'm talking about anywhere where they have
Speaker 2: to work around them and then not available. I was
Speaker 2: always on call because I always afraid I would get
Speaker 2: fired if I couldn't make it. It's stressful, you know.
Speaker 2: And then you well they had to write AM out
Speaker 2: of this episode. Well they had you know this one
Speaker 2: couldn't do that and this, right, I.
Speaker 1: Couldn't be that way, But I think that's great. I
Speaker 1: also would never have been that way in that situation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm always abounderstand it. But also I think, you know,
Speaker 1: I also feel like and tell me, tell me if
Speaker 1: you feel this way. You know you might be different
Speaker 1: with different projects, right, but like, if you feel that
Speaker 1: this is for you, like if it clicks, if you
Speaker 1: are thrilled with it, and you like the working environment,
Speaker 1: you like the part and the finished product or whatever,
Speaker 1: you know, that's your priority. And I think that people
Speaker 1: know that. And look, our business is crazy and sometimes
Speaker 1: you can't control it, right, you cannot, But you can
Speaker 1: tell what the priorities are. And I know Michael Patrick
Speaker 1: really cares that you also care.
Speaker 3: Oh I do all of us care, right.
Speaker 2: You know? I mean I never even asked for like, oh,
Speaker 2: I can't make it that day, be could you possibly?
Speaker 2: I mean there's a few times I was like, I
Speaker 2: want to go to LA and just do this game
Speaker 2: show for a day, can can? I could you find
Speaker 2: a day for me? You know That's how I am.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't push I don't push it, you know.
Speaker 2: But this look this, I also knew when I did
Speaker 2: my first episode that this was a by the third season.
Speaker 2: It was a big show, got it?
Speaker 1: And you didn't come before the third was in my
Speaker 1: mind you were there earlier, but no, because you were
Speaker 1: my wedding planner. I don't get married to the thirsty
Speaker 1: That's right, that makes sense, that is true. The third
Speaker 1: season is when we really hit I would say.
Speaker 2: I would say so too, yeah, and and and then
Speaker 2: it just kept going. And also back then to have
Speaker 2: I didn't I didn't know I was going to come back,
Speaker 2: especially you already May he rest in peace for great
Speaker 2: Willie Garson. You had already had one gay male character
Speaker 2: on the show, and back then one was enough for
Speaker 2: the public. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I means a different times, a different times to.
Speaker 2: The fact that I got to become a recurring character
Speaker 2: on it, and you know, and then eventually have my
Speaker 2: relationship with Stanford with will so you know, it was.
Speaker 1: So you didn't have super high expectations based on the
Speaker 1: fact that we already had one gay character.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this was the nineties and or early two thousands,
Speaker 3: and that was a lot. But luckily we were on
Speaker 3: HBO and they pretty much let us do what we
Speaker 3: wanted to do.
Speaker 1: But we still were and it's part of the reason
Speaker 1: I wanted to do the podcast, because if you think
Speaker 1: about how things were in the society in ninety seven,
Speaker 1: some things were really different, and television as a reflection
Speaker 1: of the society.
Speaker 3: And then some things weren't really different.
Speaker 1: Right, Like there are things now that are really different
Speaker 1: that we would not have seen coming. And then there
Speaker 1: are some things where it's still very relevant the things
Speaker 1: that were in the show, you know, like the themes,
Speaker 1: the kind of ideas. But also I think the reality
Speaker 1: of New York City. We were trying our best to
Speaker 1: reflect that then, and some of that was a stretch,
Speaker 1: Like having more than one gay character is a stretch,
Speaker 1: which is crazy.
Speaker 2: To think about speaking of New York City. Yeah, the influence,
Speaker 2: the influence, the influence that this show had on fashion.
Speaker 2: And also look, I live down the street from the
Speaker 2: Meek packing district. This show accelerated, it accelerates, it accelerated
Speaker 2: the development of that area.
Speaker 1: I can't.
Speaker 3: I know, babe, I know.
Speaker 2: And you see those four girls in this for a second.
Speaker 3: You know what's so funny? Is it still because I
Speaker 3: live in LA when we're.
Speaker 1: Not working at you know, and part of the reason
Speaker 1: I live in LA is because it's very chill compared
Speaker 1: to us in New York.
Speaker 3: You're like, no, New Yorkers don't care. I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: I mean it's great because they consider us theirs. I think.
Speaker 2: I took my shirt off once on Sex in the
Speaker 2: City was.
Speaker 3: In there's a lot of stress.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and I was like, oh god, yeah, I
Speaker 2: looked all right, I look okay. So this was two
Speaker 2: years ago. We'll we're going into the second season and
Speaker 2: Michael Patrick King called me up and said, hey, just
Speaker 2: so you know, you're gonna be getting a storyline. You're
Speaker 2: gonna be gonna be getting a boyfriend. So guess what.
Speaker 2: I trainer and I started working out, and and and
Speaker 2: and but the when I have a backside shot, I'm
Speaker 2: in bed with Sebastian. Sebastiano, he plays who I just adore.
Speaker 2: I'm the luckiest man in the world with that. He
Speaker 2: sent in one audition tape and got it. We had
Speaker 2: no chemistry tests and it is a godsend. And he's
Speaker 2: like my brother now, you know, which is a little
Speaker 2: weird kissing him first season, I was like, I got
Speaker 2: to kiss this beautiful young man. Now I'm like, you're
Speaker 2: like my brother, and I'm over here when it's a
Speaker 2: little weird, but I love it.
Speaker 3: He's just a good he's a guy.
Speaker 2: So I looked, I looked at it, and I went, well,
Speaker 2: the night before I dropped, I didn't sleep. I was like,
Speaker 2: these homosexuals are gonna come after me. And then I
Speaker 2: saw it and I went, you know what, I look okay,
Speaker 2: and I'm all and and I'm next to him. I
Speaker 2: was like, okay, it's not as bad as I thought
Speaker 2: it was going to be.
Speaker 3: You were very stressed. I remember very stress, because how
Speaker 3: could you not be. It's a very real thing.
Speaker 2: And and you know, even with like the intimacy coordinators,
Speaker 2: because Sebastiano is a guy and I'm a guy, we're
Speaker 2: both like whatever. We're not like choreographing every move and
Speaker 2: we had in this which is fine. Look it's different
Speaker 2: for women, it's a different thing.
Speaker 1: The other thing is, I don't think anyone wants to
Speaker 1: choreograph everyone. It's about feelings safe, right, So you don't
Speaker 1: know the intimacy coordinator is there because you don't know
Speaker 1: the situation and you don't know how the other actors
Speaker 1: can be.
Speaker 3: I mean we do an our normally you don't know
Speaker 3: and you don't know.
Speaker 2: What the director. You're working with different men all the time,
Speaker 2: Definitely a different time. I'm totally I felt so safe
Speaker 2: with them, say with me, you're good but and it's
Speaker 2: you know, for a man from guy. All these guys,
Speaker 2: the crew, I love my crew. They're all straight guys.
Speaker 2: You know, when you're a woman, it's a different thing.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a whole other thing. But anyway, So
Speaker 2: before season three started filming, I said to Michael, I
Speaker 2: want more nudity, I said. My dms blow up. The
Speaker 2: next day, I want more nuity, I said, I like
Speaker 2: sexualized at sixty five years old. It's good.
Speaker 3: Well, God bless you, God bless you.
Speaker 1: And you know what I mean, We're lucky that we
Speaker 1: even get the chance to do anything.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Exactly right, let's pause, let's
Speaker 3: back up in time. Do you remember meeting Willy?
Speaker 2: Yes, it was that first day, the first day, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: not the first day. It was my second.
Speaker 4: Episode when we're at that fashion show, the fashion show, which.
Speaker 2: Was really fun.
Speaker 3: I remember being really fun.
Speaker 2: I remember that day. I remember because I remember walking
Speaker 2: into that the aisle of the fashion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was big too, it was big, Remember how
Speaker 1: big it was. And remember we weren't the main story, sir,
Speaker 1: Jessica walking and falling. Heidi Klum and Kevin A. Kwan
Speaker 1: was there, so we were just having fun. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: were just having good time.
Speaker 3: Me and Will.
Speaker 2: Right away, I got who he was. I adored him.
Speaker 2: He's hilarious, his storytelling is phenomenon. He's just a great
Speaker 2: it's just a great person to be around. It was,
Speaker 2: it was just so much fun. And I yeah, we
Speaker 2: hung out and here and there and you know, I
Speaker 2: remember when he first adopted his son and all of that. Yeah, Nathan,
Speaker 2: So it's yeah, I I it's fascinating because who knew
Speaker 2: we were going to get married eventually? I know. And
Speaker 2: what did you think of that? I thought I thought
Speaker 2: it was good. I think I think it was great.
Speaker 2: I think things happened. You I mean, I've met people
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I'm totally not attracted that I don't
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden it flips. That's that
Speaker 2: that happens all the time in life.
Speaker 1: I still and I can't really separate this from actual life,
Speaker 1: you know, because we didn't uh, you know, we didn't
Speaker 1: know that he was sicking the obviously, we really didn't
Speaker 1: think it was going to be as bad as it was,
Speaker 1: as quickly as it was.
Speaker 3: We had to really shift gears with your storyline. I mean,
Speaker 3: how'd you feel.
Speaker 2: Oh, I was. Well, first of all, he told me
Speaker 2: while we were filming BIG's funeral. I didn't know. That's
Speaker 2: when we all kind of found out. I already knew,
Speaker 2: you knew. I didn't know, and that was a hard
Speaker 2: John Belfie was running around and he was something like,
Speaker 2: what's going on? And I sat down on the bench
Speaker 2: with Willy and he told me, and he turned his
Speaker 2: head and I thought he was laughing because I thought
Speaker 2: it's a joke, and then he wasn't, and so we
Speaker 2: both will crying, and he said he has to leave
Speaker 2: the show, and I don't know what's going to happen,
Speaker 2: and I'm sorry, I'm like what it was? It was
Speaker 2: mind blowing. It really was horrible, and you know, I
Speaker 2: was like, wow, whatever happens for me? I was like, whatever,
Speaker 2: you know? I mean? And so Michael came to me
Speaker 2: and said, look, because he had a write on the
Speaker 2: fly for me, because all that stuff.
Speaker 3: I remember what you had, which.
Speaker 2: He did brilliantly. Of course he just did, but you know,
Speaker 2: and he I remember him saying to me, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna need you now more than ever, and you know,
Speaker 2: I started crying. It was just it was a lot, uh,
Speaker 2: and then Willie was gone. And I always this story
Speaker 2: about when we were going in to see Lily's recital
Speaker 2: that first that first episode, and we filmed the argument
Speaker 2: out in the front when you were coming in and
Speaker 2: we went in, and then we filmed the interior like
Speaker 2: three weeks later, and he couldn't make it, and that
Speaker 2: scene was rewritten that morning by Michael And I remember
Speaker 2: that day. So I was, you know, the court gesture
Speaker 2: and trying to be funny and keep it all light.
Speaker 2: You know. Michael was always throw out with Betty Davis
Speaker 2: say so I will you know, but it was it
Speaker 2: was we all just kind of held on and kept
Speaker 2: moving forward. But it was it was rough. But you know,
Speaker 2: here we are.
Speaker 3: Can you do? It is really shining, still shocking.
Speaker 2: And cancer my whole family's there's so many of my people,
Speaker 2: my mother and my father, a lot of you know
Speaker 2: a lot of people have gone from cancer. My family, cancers.
Speaker 2: It sucks, It sucks. I mean I just feel like,
Speaker 2: why isn't it cure yet? Where's the fix? I agree,
Speaker 2: this money making thing, where's the fix? At least? What
Speaker 2: I don't? I mean, look, I know it's the things
Speaker 2: that have gotten better. It's also this also treatments that
Speaker 2: aren't available and we don't know about that are available
Speaker 2: in Germany.
Speaker 3: Or for some reason is the place. Yes, it's interesting.
Speaker 2: Mostly a cancer vaccination there that they make for you
Speaker 2: according to your cancer that really supposedly.
Speaker 3: Helps well, listen up everyone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Peter Gabriel is doing it. Yes, Okay, so
Speaker 2: you know, let's go.
Speaker 4: Doctors, doctors. We're not non medical advice, no, but interesting, interesting, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean I wish we could go back in time.
Speaker 4: I wish we could go back in time. It is strange.
Speaker 4: When I first started the podcast, I had to go
Speaker 4: back and rewatch the pilot, right, And I haven't seen
Speaker 4: any of these things since you know, the beginning, right.
Speaker 3: I used to really hate.
Speaker 1: To rewatch because I just felt, I don't know, weird
Speaker 1: about it, like I didn't want to spend my time
Speaker 1: in the past, I guess. But because we're here together
Speaker 1: and talking about it is a connecting. The podcast is
Speaker 1: a way to connect, you know, and because so many
Speaker 1: people I'm sure you experienced this talk to me about
Speaker 1: it throughout the day. You know, you're moving through the
Speaker 1: world and different things strike different people. Differently, right, And
Speaker 1: they'll come up and say, oh, I remember blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: I remember blah blah blah. And you know, it's so
Speaker 1: so amazing, like the way that you can touch touch
Speaker 1: people or be part of something that touches, and.
Speaker 2: How they know the material better than we do.
Speaker 3: We forget it yet.
Speaker 1: I mean, I remember the big storylines, but so many
Speaker 1: things I didn't remember a line, right.
Speaker 3: Isn't that crazy that people remember the lines?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think you know, to go back when
Speaker 1: I first watched the pilot, I had always remembered the
Speaker 1: pilot being bad.
Speaker 3: In my mind, it was bad because we didn't really
Speaker 3: know what we were doing. We didn't really know. There
Speaker 3: was so much talking to the camera.
Speaker 1: You know, it was very dark, which in my mind
Speaker 1: had been bad. But when you look back on it,
Speaker 1: it's kind of bold and amazing and interesting and dark,
Speaker 1: like not like television at the time at all.
Speaker 2: Right, the season, yeah, very little different.
Speaker 1: So the tone of the first season, Yeah, we didn't know.
Speaker 1: We didn't know nothing in terms of what we're.
Speaker 2: Doing of talking sometimes.
Speaker 3: Which is fantastic.
Speaker 2: Last night there was a lot of oh, yes it
Speaker 2: was and I've never seen that I know because.
Speaker 3: Michael does know.
Speaker 2: He doesn't do that. No, no, no, he doesn't.
Speaker 3: No, No, it's that sometime it's his, it's his pattern
Speaker 3: that he writes.
Speaker 1: But back when I first watched the pilot, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm just in my bed, you know, the night before
Speaker 1: the first podcast recording, watching it, and when they introduced Stanford,
Speaker 1: it's just this super close up of Willie who already knew.
Speaker 1: I knew Willy because I met him on the XBOU
Speaker 1: set in like Vancouver, in an abandoned insane asylum.
Speaker 3: Like super spooky.
Speaker 1: But of course Willy makes any place fun, right, So
Speaker 1: it was just a really good time.
Speaker 3: He's telling stories and doing the whole thing. So I
Speaker 3: already knew him, which was great.
Speaker 1: And its just smash cut to Willi's face, his young face,
Speaker 1: and oh, it hit me so hard.
Speaker 3: It hit me so hard. But this is the joy
Speaker 3: of film, that it lasts forever.
Speaker 1: Right, And he made his mark in so many different shows,
Speaker 1: is so many movies.
Speaker 3: He worked a lot, so much.
Speaker 1: Everyone knew him everyone everyone, everyone.
Speaker 2: Knew him, and he worked with the lot of people.
Speaker 2: He did a lot of works.
Speaker 3: And now ask you.
Speaker 1: This, do you feel when you think back is it.
Speaker 1: Is it something where you can think about, Oh, I
Speaker 1: remember when you know, Willie and I were doing this
Speaker 1: and I was observing him and I learned this.
Speaker 3: Or are you all just like soaking it up wherever
Speaker 3: you go?
Speaker 2: Just you know, you're just it's day to day. It's
Speaker 2: a different an experience every time you're on that set.
Speaker 3: Which is what I love about acting.
Speaker 2: It's absolutely it's a different experience. You're feeling different things,
Speaker 2: and you're you know, you're more anxious one day and
Speaker 2: a little less anxious another day, and care too much
Speaker 2: one day, and then one day you're like, I don't
Speaker 2: have a cat today. I'm no, I don't.
Speaker 3: I know you better than that?
Speaker 2: No, I don't. I don't, I don't never you know
Speaker 2: what I mean? You feel different things?
Speaker 3: Well, you have you have to.
Speaker 1: I think the interesting thing is you have to manage
Speaker 1: where you your personal self are that day, but then
Speaker 1: you also have to manage yourself into where.
Speaker 3: Your character is that day, right, which absolutely.
Speaker 1: Like take some work sometimes does yeah, yeah, And you
Speaker 1: have to figure that out as you go.
Speaker 2: Because sometimes when not not that I mean, I don't
Speaker 2: give a shit one day, it's like I I care
Speaker 2: a little less, which relaxes me more. The same person
Speaker 2: going through the day in the same way, but I'm
Speaker 2: a little bit more relaxed. You happened later and right.
Speaker 1: But it's a great thing because you you don't need
Speaker 1: to be as anxious as you are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they make jokes about Charlotte's wedding.
Speaker 2: Your wedding was, oh my gosh, my sisters, my real sisters.
Speaker 2: You don't really see as close to them, but you
Speaker 2: see two women. I remember this down the island, both
Speaker 2: my sisters, and one of them passed away in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2: She died a cancer. So yeah, but she got to
Speaker 2: walk me down the aisle.
Speaker 3: That sounds pretty great. With the swans and.
Speaker 2: With the swans, and I always say, I always go
Speaker 2: like this. I always say, I go up. When I
Speaker 2: was like, I danced Chang the single ladies, and I
Speaker 2: danced so high that I stamped on a swan and
Speaker 2: broke its snack. It was an accent, and I was like,
Speaker 2: who said, who has swans at their weddings? I didn't
Speaker 2: have swans at my real wedding. My real wedding was
Speaker 2: very I'm sure people on my roof. That was it.
Speaker 2: And then we went to dinner, after.
Speaker 3: Which you were in like a wedding by Michael Patrick King,
Speaker 3: which is a situation. It was like a musical from
Speaker 3: the forties.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's set.
Speaker 3: I know. It was huge with the water and the Swans.
Speaker 1: We were all out in our trailers and you guys
Speaker 1: were in there for days, and we'd all be like, hey, hey,
Speaker 1: does anyone know what's going on in there? Does anyone
Speaker 1: know what's going on in there? And then we would
Speaker 1: walk in like, hey, you guys, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: And it was like Eliza. It was Eliza Show was amazing.
Speaker 1: So we would stand in the back and watch the
Speaker 1: Eliza Show. And then it was the Swans and there
Speaker 1: was a gay man's health course and that was you guys.
Speaker 3: We were like, well, some someday they'll need us, and
Speaker 3: the four of us was shot back out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: I don't think the studio was very happy with us,
Speaker 1: though they were a little annoyed.
Speaker 2: Well, the show, it did well. It did, we did well.
Speaker 2: It did. Both movies did well. It's true. Financially the
Speaker 2: first movie did super great, super great.
Speaker 3: Second movie we caused too much, but that's okay. We're
Speaker 3: not here to talk about that it's okay, it's.
Speaker 2: Not globally they all do well.
Speaker 3: I know that's right, and we're lucky.
Speaker 1: We are so lucky because theoretically, comedy and women are
Speaker 1: not supposed to travel.
Speaker 2: Ha oh no, it's a huge globe.
Speaker 3: I know, baby Maria, what are you?
Speaker 2: You are? Charlotte part of me is yeah, I think
Speaker 2: I I like things in their place. I uh, I
Speaker 2: like lovely things. I definitely have high anxiety. I definitely yeah,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, and I definitely have to like, you know,
Speaker 2: control things. That's that's definitely do you love? Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: I do believe minutes happily married, haply married. And I'm
Speaker 2: a lucky lucky man because I would marry me. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm definitely I think I never thought of that. But
Speaker 2: I think if I had to say which one I was,
Speaker 2: because I'm not a Carrie, because you know, Carrie goes
Speaker 2: through a lot of things that She's had a handful
Speaker 2: of relationships during the show.
Speaker 3: Right, really only two important one really only, But I
Speaker 3: mean Charlotte has had a bunch.
Speaker 2: Of because I'm always I always think about them, of course,
Speaker 2: because she's you know, single now and I guess you know, uh,
Speaker 2: I'm partly samantic because I'm a smart ass, and if
Speaker 2: for sure, and I don't think, I don't think I'm
Speaker 2: a Miranda.
Speaker 1: Miranda, would you kind of do tell things like like
Speaker 1: it is Miranda, that's true, it is.
Speaker 2: I just think she's so such an intelligence about her
Speaker 2: too so but you're intelligent sometimes. But yeah, I think
Speaker 2: there's a lot of me and Charlotte, and I never
Speaker 2: thought that. That's very interesting.
Speaker 3: I keep forgetting to ask people the question.
Speaker 2: It's a good question.
Speaker 4: Why.
Speaker 2: I know it's psychologically it's a great question.
Speaker 1: You're joy, Thanks for being here, okay by everybody. Yes,