WEBVTT - Super Mario (Mario Cantone Is Here!)... 0:00:01.639 --> 0:00:04.880 Hi, I'm Kristen Davis, and I want to know are 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:13.600 you a Charlotte? You guys Mario Cantone is here. 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:15.800 I've been waiting. It's so exciting. 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:15.960 I know. 0:00:16.000 --> 0:00:17.640 That's what he said when I texted him, Hey, do 0:00:17.640 --> 0:00:18.599 you want to be on the podcast? 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:20.880 Oh? I hope. So I've been waiting for you to 0:00:20.920 --> 0:00:21.279 ask me. 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:25.239 But my feeling was in my mind when I agreed 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:28.000 to do the podcast to rewatch, which I hadn't rewatched, 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:30.640 you know, since it originally came on. I thought, I'm 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:32.760 going to go chronologically and in order. 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:33.839 But it's too. 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:34.320 Hard to wait. 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:36.240 Okay, it is too hard to wait. And so funny. 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:39.960 I caught myself because I saw that we were going 0:00:40.040 --> 0:00:41.920 to recap this episode, and I was like, why aren't 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:44.000 we doing an episode? I'm in that we and she 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:46.080 was and I went, oh, wait a minute, Okay, you're 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:48.360 doing one at a time. You're doing a chronological. 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:51.479 Correct I said, so great, And well you're just you're 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:53.520 just such a joy that I have to have you now. 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:56.240 I needed to be here. I know he was. 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:58.160 He was not messed around. He was like, well, I 0:00:58.240 --> 0:00:58.720 was waiting. 0:00:58.880 --> 0:00:59.880 I've been waiting. I know. 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:02.880 We came all the way to lovely San Francisco. 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:05.200 I know, I talk to you and we're in beautiful 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:09.760 Marinecome it's very beautiful, beautiful. I mean, wow, There's there's 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:11.960 a lovely little town that I'd say at once in 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:16.800 a while called Bolinas, which is like hidden. The locals 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:19.800 ripped the signs down. Don't know how to get there 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:22.280 unless secret, guys. Beautiful. 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:26.039 So here is Mario, the fantastic Mario Cantone. Now what 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:28.679 I want to do with you? Let's go back to 0:01:28.720 --> 0:01:29.240 the beginning. 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:32.800 Okay, I want to ask you. Okay, what year did 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:35.440 you get cast? And how did it come about? On 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:36.120 Sex and the City. 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:41.520 Okay, So I started I in the eighties. I was 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:44.280 doing stand up with Michael Patrick King at them at 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:46.720 the forty fourth Street and ninth Avenue, the original improv 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:49.680 that Bud Friedman and Silver Friedman owned, and then they 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:51.600 divorced it. Bud got the one in la and Silver 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:53.600 got the one in New York. She passed me. I 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:55.760 met Michael. He was in a comedy theme at the time, 0:01:55.920 --> 0:02:00.840 Wow King and Mende, and then he ended up stand 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:03.680 up on his own right. I remember one time Joan Rivers' 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:07.800 husband had just passed away. And so he Michael said 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:10.280 to me, Okay, you're Joan Rivers, who also knew that 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:12.440 I did her and loved me. Okay, she goes, have 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:16.280 to preface it, so she goes, you're Joan Rivers, You're 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:18.560 on a cruise and get just died. You're grieving, you're 0:02:18.560 --> 0:02:21.440 getting over it. Go I would have to like improv 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:24.399 like Melissa, how are you? Can I sit down, Let's 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:28.520 have some breakfast and we're doing better today? Wait? Just 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:34.120 could I get some eggs? Exit? Yeah, we would, And 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:35.960 it went on and on, and then I ended up 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:37.919 doing that on stage a week later, and it was 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:40.880 Joe soon but it was very but it. 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:43.600 Was he always got my eighties. 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:46.000 This is the eighties. So I was doing an off 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:47.400 broall Way show at the time. It was it was 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:50.520 the end of nineteen ninety nine, I think, or two thousand, Okay, 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:54.440 I think it was early two thousand and I he said, 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:57.120 I wrote you something. So he wrote it for you. 0:02:57.120 --> 0:02:57.720 Oh yeah, he read. 0:02:57.840 --> 0:02:58.600 That's amazing. 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:00.720 But I was doing an off ball show at the time, 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:04.480 and but I went in to read just make it official, 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:08.040 and you know, So I was doing a show called 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:10.519 The Crumple Zone, which did very well, ran for six 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:16.320 months off Broadway, and I I remember our night. The 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:19.959 day we filmed. It was a tech day and a 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:22.320 director who I loved very much not please no, he 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:23.600 didn't want to let me out. I'm like, it's a 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:26.080 tech day. People stand there and you light it right, 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:28.280 and I went like this, I'm going to do this 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:31.440 episode because there was an issue of maybe, Oh no, 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:32.880 I was like, I'm going to do my. 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:37.200 This episode and I went, oh no, it wasn't what 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:37.920 was on. 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:39.880 It was one episode that. 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:43.320 Was wedding as your wedding Wedding player. 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:45.920 And do you remember we had two scenes we had 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:50.160 a second scene. I remember, Okay, see I love I 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:54.440 love so you do every episode I don't. I was recurring. 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:57.240 I did people go how many episodes did I do? 0:03:57.440 --> 0:04:01.520 I did twelve? Only twelve. I did one Season three, 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:06.120 Our two, season four, three, season five and six, Season six, 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:13.240 and then both movies. The movies really kind of solidified it, 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:17.640 which was nice. You know. So uh there were two 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:20.960 scenes in that first episode. There was the one hates it, 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:27.680 the very famous hates it with yeah don't yeah, all 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:30.360 that's okay, you're you're dragging and I'm yelling at the girl. 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:34.840 And then there was another scene in the back of 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:39.120 the Vera Wang in this kind of little area yep, 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:41.960 and I was fitting you and you were getting very 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:45.160 anxious as Charlotte and I had his scissors and it 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:48.360 ripped the dress and you were furious and we just 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:50.560 kind of looked at each other. That scene got cut 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:52.320 because it was at three in the morning, four in 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:55.720 the morning. There wasn't enough coverage, and they cut it. 0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:58.640 Luckily they cut it because it was almost like an 0:04:58.720 --> 0:04:59.520 argument between us. 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:03.000 Oh, so it might not have gone well. So if well, 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:05.400 they probably wanted to keep you. They probably knew already. 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:06.760 I don't know, Noll. 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:08.400 I remember running into Michael and he said, do you 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:10.599 know how much great feedback we got on you? I said, 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:13.080 I don't know, I said, and I don't care. I 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:15.800 just want to know him I coming back, I said, yes, 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:17.560 So that's that's adorable. 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:20.320 I vaguely remember. They'll tell you what I remember most 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:23.200 about the Vera Wang. So we're in Vera Wang, which 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:24.279 I think was a big deal. 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:27.159 Yes, and we're you know, I had already tried on 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:30.359 like thirty five actual Vera Wang dresses to see what 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:31.159 Charlotte would wear. 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:32.520 It was a whole drama. 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:35.960 And we're there and it's going very late, as was 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:38.080 our just general m O. And I'm so sorry if 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:40.520 I'm repeating myself, but you know all the time, it was. 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:42.240 Very late, very late. He got out of four in 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:42.800 the morning. 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:47.760 Then exactly, and so the executive from HBO, Michael Hill, came, 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:49.279 do you remember, And I remember. 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:51.320 The reason I remember is that it's not very big 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:53.200 in Vera Wang. It's very fautique. 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:53.719 Yeah. 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:56.479 So he's sitting over the over across the room, like 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:58.080 just glaring at everyone. 0:05:57.839 --> 0:06:00.000 Because he wants us to hurry up because we're over budget, right, 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:03.000 and he's just glaring at everyone, which doesn't help anything, No, 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:03.440 it does. 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:04.080 You know what I'm saying. 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:07.080 And so I'm sure that that also influenced the scene 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:08.760 that we the other scene that got cut, which is 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:10.520 actually a good thing that it got cut, as you're saying, 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:13.240 But I don't remember that other scenes, I really, I mean, 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:15.000 when I'm rewatching, I don't remember anything. 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:16.200 I'm like, you know. 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:19.039 What, the first time, I just started watching a bunch 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:20.880 of them because they're just playing them on HBO a 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:22.920 lot now, right, And I'm seeing the young cut version 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:25.520 of it. Usually I'm used to seeing them quickly on. 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:29.120 I also don't like seeing myself that long ago, because. 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:30.039 Oh, come on, I just go. 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:31.000 Boy, was that pretty? 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:35.120 So asdorable? You're still I was pretty happened? 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:39.000 But you know, I remember it's so funny because I 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:41.280 didn't remember Michael Hill. I don't. I don't remember him coming. 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:43.000 If I had known, I probably would have been like, 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:44.599 oh god, good thing. I didn't know. 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:46.400 I tried to protect you from such things. 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:50.120 And the other thing was like when you do when 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:52.159 you were when we were rehearsing it, and I remember 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:54.479 Betty Anne and all the crews, they were laughing hysterically, 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:57.200 and then of course they can't laugh on. So when 0:06:57.200 --> 0:07:00.000 my comedians sick mind, you think, well, I'm not funny anymore. 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:02.800 I've lost it, you know, there's that issue. No, But 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:05.960 I just I remember that night like it was yesterday. 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:09.680 And also that night, my husband's uh was opening in 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:13.720 an off Broadway show. Oh my god, and I couldn't go, 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:16.920 but he was so Look, this changed my life. I'm 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:19.600 glad it changed my life. It's a and and the 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:23.040 fact that it's come back, and it's this successful, and 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:25.800 it's no reboot runs. 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:28.320 We don't call it reboot, I know, you know what I'm. 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:31.880 Saying, no reissue, no whatever. But it doesn't it doesn't 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:32.560 happen like this. 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:34.960 Well I think it also just doesn't happen that you 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:38.360 get to revisit the characters for thirty years or whatever, 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:42.160 twenty eight whatever it is. So that's alone shocking. And 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:44.200 then the other thing that I mentioned a lot, but 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:47.480 is really I think important to remember is that there's 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:54.640 not I can't think of any other female driven you know, franchise, 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:57.040 which is what we are at this point. Yeah, that 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:02.280 is as successful and ongoing. So we're just incredibly lucky. 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:04.600 From the series to the movies to this exactly. 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:08.640 And also you know with within, just like that, there's 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:12.360 been big changes made in characters all the way around. 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:16.400 And Arlotte, well you. 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:21.760 Know what's interesting, Yeah, except but watching watching that early episode, 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:23.840 it was it was interesting. 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:31.000 Well but thank you, but you. 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:36.600 Well you know, when Charlotte did get formed, Yeah, it's 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:39.840 interesting what happens especially let me talk about the the 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:44.160 the the sequel here and just like that. What I 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:49.120 think has happened to you is that your confidence level 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:52.640 and I think this happened when you formed the character too, 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:56.600 but it has kind of heightened. Your confidence level is 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:59.520 stronger and your anxiety level is higher, which makes for 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:03.320 magnificent comedy that you listen you. 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:06.120 But I got to tell you something, there is no 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:08.560 way that my anxiety level is higher than it was 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:11.160 first season. That's all I can think of when I 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:13.319 watch is how I'm talking about the cansite. 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:14.480 I know, I don't know you. 0:09:14.520 --> 0:09:19.120 I can't say it, you know, and I don't know 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:21.400 what that hacked, Like I don't know where this was going. 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:23.880 But also I wasn't even worried about where it was going, 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:26.920 like like I was more just trying to pull off Charlotte. 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:30.400 And Charlotte was so underdeveloped, like Michael told me when 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:32.199 he came on the podcast that he was like, I 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:34.000 don't know how to write for that one. And I 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:36.160 was like, I love to hear that, because definitely I 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:39.880 I could tell that I was not fully fleshed out. 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:42.079 And then Jenny Banks came on, which was so great 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:44.600 because Jenny grew up on the Upper East Side, so 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:48.440 she was actually an authority who could write me knowing 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:51.480 what that was, you know what that was about? 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:54.640 Did Thank god? So it came together. But what I 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:55.319 want to say. 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:56.920 About you, and then we're going to talk about you, 0:09:56.920 --> 0:09:59.080 because we're here to talk about you, my friend. So 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:01.040 what I want to say is that the success that 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:03.520 we've had for all these many years in all these 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:07.400 different forms is because we have the most amazing cast 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:10.920 and that includes every element of the cast and the 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:14.480 incredible writers and the incredible fans. So you have been 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:17.040 a huge, huge, huge part of that success. 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:21.280 Our chemistry is so good and I love working with you. 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:26.200 And on the note of anxiety, yes, every episode I 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:28.280 did a Sex and the City I left that set 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:32.960 thinking I didn't hit it. I didn't get like you think. 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:34.839 I'd let you know, Michael, I let you go with 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:36.040 I know I didn't get it. 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:38.960 I know you were always so always sweet. 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:41.120 And then I would watch it and be like, all right, yeah, 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:41.600 all right. 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:43.160 So you learned, you learned as you will. 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:46.360 That's great because I was all I always knew that 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:51.000 you had five times what you thought you had. You 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:52.480 know what I'm trying to say, Like, and you just 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:55.440 needed to take a breath, Yeah, you know, just take 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:56.280 a breath. 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:58.400 And now look at you now and look at me now. 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:00.439 Yeah, unless there's a lot of bread. 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:05.640 No kidding, Oh, well here's this is a lovely story props. 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:07.000 I'm talking about props, you guys. 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:09.679 Case Also you're not sure, Well he has a bread 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:11.320 bread business. 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:14.120 Well you know it's so funny. Tell secretly yes, and 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:18.160 everyone knows. I've said an interviews when that first scene 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:19.880 that we did together where I'm picking out your wedding 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:22.600 dress and I am saying that, oh, the placket, that 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:26.240 the lace application, I had no idea what I was saying. 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:28.320 I didn't get that, gay Jean, I couldn't pick up 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:30.840 your dress or your shoes. I'm not that kind of 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:33.840 a homosexual. I don't know, I don't, I don't care, 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:36.000 and that I don't care. I know it looks good, but. 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:37.960 I just I don't think Michael Patrick King care is. 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:41.120 Either No, no, it's about it's about you know. So 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:46.080 I didn't like being a wedding planet even though that wasn't. 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:48.320 No, but I was, no, you pulled it off. 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:51.880 You didn't complain, no, no, no, no complain, Just say 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:53.959 the lines and hit your mark and shut up. 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:56.760 But we never said that. 0:11:56.880 --> 0:11:59.679 When I said that to my head, yeah, not that. 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:02.240 I it's just like this wouldn't be my choice to 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:06.680 play got it. But when this came on, and just 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:09.360 like that came along, because I've known Michael years, so 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:13.200 I just thought he said, I know, I knew I 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:17.440 wanted to do something culinary with you. And I I bake. 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:19.680 I sell a banana bread to a coffee shop in 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:22.520 my neighborhood. No, yeah, I bake, I bake, I cook. 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:23.480 I'm a big baker. 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:25.040 Oh you cook, but I didn't know you baked. 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:27.880 Oh, I bake, I bake a lot of stuff. 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:31.160 Wow, we've got to get your banana bread at hot Oh. 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:33.160 I know, well, you know what. And the other interesting 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:35.080 thing is my one of my favorite bakeries is Sullivan 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:36.920 Street Bakery, which is right across the street from me. 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:41.440 All the bread that we used from there, and I 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:43.400 know Jim wagh he really, well, it's a great place. 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:55.600 What year is it? And how did you get the part? 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:56.000 You knew? 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:56.280 Michael? 0:12:56.360 --> 0:13:00.440 Oh, that's right, I just read it and he and 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:02.000 he cast me and got it. 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:03.160 And you thought it was one. 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:04.040 I thought it was one. 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:05.520 So then you run into him and you're like, I 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:06.600 don't care about the feedback. 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:10.520 Yeah I want it again. He said, you're definitely coming back. Great. 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:14.520 So I was on the second episode in season four, right, 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:17.200 and then I did one other episode and season four. Yeah, 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:19.520 and then I did like three in season five and 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:20.480 six and season six. 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:23.760 And were you just like calmly hoping or were you 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:25.400 calling him your agents? 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:25.960 What were you doing? 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:29.640 No? I didn't. I just prayed and I was coming 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:34.560 back because I didn't. I honestly, Look, I can't call 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:37.000 them and make them like where is my why? I 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:39.320 don't do that. Look, And there are people that are 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:42.880 the opposite. They're there with recurring people. There are people 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:46.160 that are on that have recurring roles sometimes and not 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:49.040 just our series. I'm talking about anywhere where they have 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:52.280 to work around them and then not available. I was 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:54.720 always on call because I always afraid I would get 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:58.760 fired if I couldn't make it. It's stressful, you know. 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:01.800 And then you well they had to write AM out 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:04.920 of this episode. Well they had you know this one 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:07.200 couldn't do that and this, right, I. 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:09.600 Couldn't be that way, But I think that's great. I 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:13.200 also would never have been that way in that situation. Yeah, 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:17.160 I'm always abounderstand it. But also I think, you know, 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:19.240 I also feel like and tell me, tell me if 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:21.720 you feel this way. You know you might be different 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:24.600 with different projects, right, but like, if you feel that 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:27.080 this is for you, like if it clicks, if you 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:29.800 are thrilled with it, and you like the working environment, 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:32.480 you like the part and the finished product or whatever, 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:34.840 you know, that's your priority. And I think that people 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:37.920 know that. And look, our business is crazy and sometimes 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:40.280 you can't control it, right, you cannot, But you can 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:43.080 tell what the priorities are. And I know Michael Patrick 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:46.720 really cares that you also care. 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:48.880 Oh I do all of us care, right. 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:52.320 You know? I mean I never even asked for like, oh, 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:54.640 I can't make it that day, be could you possibly? 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:57.360 I mean there's a few times I was like, I 0:14:57.400 --> 0:14:59.040 want to go to LA and just do this game 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:01.000 show for a day, can can? I could you find 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:03.240 a day for me? You know That's how I am. 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:07.080 I don't I don't push I don't push it, you know. 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:10.840 But this look this, I also knew when I did 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:13.720 my first episode that this was a by the third season. 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:15.680 It was a big show, got it? 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:18.080 And you didn't come before the third was in my 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:20.600 mind you were there earlier, but no, because you were 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:22.640 my wedding planner. I don't get married to the thirsty 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:24.560 That's right, that makes sense, that is true. The third 0:15:24.640 --> 0:15:27.480 season is when we really hit I would say. 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:30.560 I would say so too, yeah, and and and then 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:34.120 it just kept going. And also back then to have 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:36.840 I didn't I didn't know I was going to come back, 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:39.840 especially you already May he rest in peace for great 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:43.200 Willie Garson. You had already had one gay male character 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:46.000 on the show, and back then one was enough for 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:47.920 the public. You know what I mean. 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:51.400 I means a different times, a different times to. 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:55.640 The fact that I got to become a recurring character 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:58.440 on it, and you know, and then eventually have my 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:02.440 relationship with Stanford with will so you know, it was. 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:05.520 So you didn't have super high expectations based on the 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:07.040 fact that we already had one gay character. 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:09.760 Yeah, and this was the nineties and or early two thousands, 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:12.120 and that was a lot. But luckily we were on 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:14.160 HBO and they pretty much let us do what we 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:14.680 wanted to do. 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:17.440 But we still were and it's part of the reason 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:19.200 I wanted to do the podcast, because if you think 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:23.000 about how things were in the society in ninety seven, 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:26.240 some things were really different, and television as a reflection 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:27.000 of the society. 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:28.800 And then some things weren't really different. 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:31.320 Right, Like there are things now that are really different 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:33.640 that we would not have seen coming. And then there 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:36.640 are some things where it's still very relevant the things 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:38.520 that were in the show, you know, like the themes, 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:43.280 the kind of ideas. But also I think the reality 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:47.360 of New York City. We were trying our best to 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:50.200 reflect that then, and some of that was a stretch, 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:52.360 Like having more than one gay character is a stretch, 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:53.600 which is crazy. 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:56.520 To think about speaking of New York City. Yeah, the influence, 0:16:56.680 --> 0:17:01.160 the influence, the influence that this show had on fashion. 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:04.520 And also look, I live down the street from the 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:11.480 Meek packing district. This show accelerated, it accelerates, it accelerated 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:13.439 the development of that area. 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:14.320 I can't. 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:18.320 I know, babe, I know. 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:20.960 And you see those four girls in this for a second. 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:24.040 You know what's so funny? Is it still because I 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:25.040 live in LA when we're. 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:27.720 Not working at you know, and part of the reason 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:30.479 I live in LA is because it's very chill compared 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:31.280 to us in New York. 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:34.200 You're like, no, New Yorkers don't care. I'm like, well, 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:41.160 I mean it's great because they consider us theirs. I think. 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:53.840 I took my shirt off once on Sex in the 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:55.720 City was. 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:57.680 In there's a lot of stress. 0:17:57.320 --> 0:17:59.119 So yeah, and I was like, oh god, yeah, I 0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:02.200 looked all right, I look okay. So this was two 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:05.119 years ago. We'll we're going into the second season and 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:07.439 Michael Patrick King called me up and said, hey, just 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:09.760 so you know, you're gonna be getting a storyline. You're 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:12.760 gonna be gonna be getting a boyfriend. So guess what. 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:17.600 I trainer and I started working out, and and and 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:20.880 and but the when I have a backside shot, I'm 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:25.480 in bed with Sebastian. Sebastiano, he plays who I just adore. 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:28.080 I'm the luckiest man in the world with that. He 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:30.800 sent in one audition tape and got it. We had 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:34.440 no chemistry tests and it is a godsend. And he's 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:36.600 like my brother now, you know, which is a little 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:38.680 weird kissing him first season, I was like, I got 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:41.320