1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristen Davis, and I want to know are 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? You guys Mario Cantone is here. 3 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 2: I've been waiting. It's so exciting. 4 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: I know. 5 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 3: That's what he said when I texted him, Hey, do 6 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 3: you want to be on the podcast? 7 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 2: Oh? I hope. So I've been waiting for you to 8 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:21,279 Speaker 2: ask me. 9 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: But my feeling was in my mind when I agreed 10 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: to do the podcast to rewatch, which I hadn't rewatched, 11 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: you know, since it originally came on. I thought, I'm 12 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: going to go chronologically and in order. 13 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 2: But it's too. 14 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 3: Hard to wait. 15 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 2: Okay, it is too hard to wait. And so funny. 16 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 2: I caught myself because I saw that we were going 17 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 2: to recap this episode, and I was like, why aren't 18 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 2: we doing an episode? I'm in that we and she 19 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 2: was and I went, oh, wait a minute, Okay, you're 20 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 2: doing one at a time. You're doing a chronological. 21 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: Correct I said, so great, And well you're just you're 22 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 1: just such a joy that I have to have you now. 23 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 2: I needed to be here. I know he was. 24 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 3: He was not messed around. He was like, well, I 25 00:00:58,240 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 3: was waiting. 26 00:00:58,880 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 2: I've been waiting. I know. 27 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 3: We came all the way to lovely San Francisco. 28 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 2: I know, I talk to you and we're in beautiful 29 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 2: Marinecome it's very beautiful, beautiful. I mean, wow, There's there's 30 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 2: a lovely little town that I'd say at once in 31 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 2: a while called Bolinas, which is like hidden. The locals 32 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 2: ripped the signs down. Don't know how to get there 33 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 2: unless secret, guys. Beautiful. 34 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 1: So here is Mario, the fantastic Mario Cantone. Now what 35 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: I want to do with you? Let's go back to 36 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: the beginning. 37 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 3: Okay, I want to ask you. Okay, what year did 38 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 3: you get cast? And how did it come about? On 39 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 3: Sex and the City. 40 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 2: Okay, So I started I in the eighties. I was 41 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 2: doing stand up with Michael Patrick King at them at 42 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 2: the forty fourth Street and ninth Avenue, the original improv 43 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 2: that Bud Friedman and Silver Friedman owned, and then they 44 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 2: divorced it. Bud got the one in la and Silver 45 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 2: got the one in New York. She passed me. I 46 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 2: met Michael. He was in a comedy theme at the time, 47 00:01:55,920 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 2: Wow King and Mende, and then he ended up stand 48 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 2: up on his own right. I remember one time Joan Rivers' 49 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 2: husband had just passed away. And so he Michael said 50 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 2: to me, Okay, you're Joan Rivers, who also knew that 51 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 2: I did her and loved me. Okay, she goes, have 52 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 2: to preface it, so she goes, you're Joan Rivers, You're 53 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 2: on a cruise and get just died. You're grieving, you're 54 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 2: getting over it. Go I would have to like improv 55 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,399 Speaker 2: like Melissa, how are you? Can I sit down, Let's 56 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 2: have some breakfast and we're doing better today? Wait? Just 57 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 2: could I get some eggs? Exit? Yeah, we would, And 58 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 2: it went on and on, and then I ended up 59 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 2: doing that on stage a week later, and it was 60 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 2: Joe soon but it was very but it. 61 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 3: Was he always got my eighties. 62 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 2: This is the eighties. So I was doing an off 63 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 2: broall Way show at the time. It was it was 64 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 2: the end of nineteen ninety nine, I think, or two thousand, Okay, 65 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 2: I think it was early two thousand and I he said, 66 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 2: I wrote you something. So he wrote it for you. 67 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he read. 68 00:02:57,840 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 3: That's amazing. 69 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 2: But I was doing an off ball show at the time, 70 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 2: and but I went in to read just make it official, 71 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 2: and you know, So I was doing a show called 72 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,519 Speaker 2: The Crumple Zone, which did very well, ran for six 73 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 2: months off Broadway, and I I remember our night. The 74 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,959 Speaker 2: day we filmed. It was a tech day and a 75 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 2: director who I loved very much not please no, he 76 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 2: didn't want to let me out. I'm like, it's a 77 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 2: tech day. People stand there and you light it right, 78 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 2: and I went like this, I'm going to do this 79 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 2: episode because there was an issue of maybe, Oh no, 80 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 2: I was like, I'm going to do my. 81 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 4: This episode and I went, oh no, it wasn't what 82 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 4: was on. 83 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 2: It was one episode that. 84 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: Was wedding as your wedding Wedding player. 85 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 2: And do you remember we had two scenes we had 86 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 2: a second scene. I remember, Okay, see I love I 87 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 2: love so you do every episode I don't. I was recurring. 88 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 2: I did people go how many episodes did I do? 89 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 2: I did twelve? Only twelve. I did one Season three, 90 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 2: Our two, season four, three, season five and six, Season six, 91 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 2: and then both movies. The movies really kind of solidified it, 92 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 2: which was nice. You know. So uh there were two 93 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 2: scenes in that first episode. There was the one hates it, 94 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 2: the very famous hates it with yeah don't yeah, all 95 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 2: that's okay, you're you're dragging and I'm yelling at the girl. 96 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 2: And then there was another scene in the back of 97 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 2: the Vera Wang in this kind of little area yep, 98 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 2: and I was fitting you and you were getting very 99 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 2: anxious as Charlotte and I had his scissors and it 100 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 2: ripped the dress and you were furious and we just 101 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 2: kind of looked at each other. That scene got cut 102 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 2: because it was at three in the morning, four in 103 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 2: the morning. There wasn't enough coverage, and they cut it. 104 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: Luckily they cut it because it was almost like an 105 00:04:58,720 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 2: argument between us. 106 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: Oh, so it might not have gone well. So if well, 107 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: they probably wanted to keep you. They probably knew already. 108 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 3: I don't know, Noll. 109 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 2: I remember running into Michael and he said, do you 110 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 2: know how much great feedback we got on you? I said, 111 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 2: I don't know, I said, and I don't care. I 112 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 2: just want to know him I coming back, I said, yes, 113 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 2: So that's that's adorable. 114 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 3: I vaguely remember. They'll tell you what I remember most 115 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 3: about the Vera Wang. So we're in Vera Wang, which 116 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 3: I think was a big deal. 117 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 1: Yes, and we're you know, I had already tried on 118 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,359 Speaker 1: like thirty five actual Vera Wang dresses to see what 119 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 1: Charlotte would wear. 120 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 3: It was a whole drama. 121 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: And we're there and it's going very late, as was 122 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: our just general m O. And I'm so sorry if 123 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: I'm repeating myself, but you know all the time, it was. 124 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 2: Very late, very late. He got out of four in 125 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 2: the morning. 126 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: Then exactly, and so the executive from HBO, Michael Hill, came, 127 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 1: do you remember, And I remember. 128 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 3: The reason I remember is that it's not very big 129 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 3: in Vera Wang. It's very fautique. 130 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 2: Yeah. 131 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 3: So he's sitting over the over across the room, like 132 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 3: just glaring at everyone. 133 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: Because he wants us to hurry up because we're over budget, right, 134 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: and he's just glaring at everyone, which doesn't help anything, No, 135 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: it does. 136 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. 137 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: And so I'm sure that that also influenced the scene 138 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: that we the other scene that got cut, which is 139 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: actually a good thing that it got cut, as you're saying, 140 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: But I don't remember that other scenes, I really, I mean, 141 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: when I'm rewatching, I don't remember anything. 142 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 3: I'm like, you know. 143 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 2: What, the first time, I just started watching a bunch 144 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 2: of them because they're just playing them on HBO a 145 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 2: lot now, right, And I'm seeing the young cut version 146 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 2: of it. Usually I'm used to seeing them quickly on. 147 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 2: I also don't like seeing myself that long ago, because. 148 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 3: Oh, come on, I just go. 149 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 2: Boy, was that pretty? 150 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 3: So asdorable? You're still I was pretty happened? 151 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 2: But you know, I remember it's so funny because I 152 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 2: didn't remember Michael Hill. I don't. I don't remember him coming. 153 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 2: If I had known, I probably would have been like, 154 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 2: oh god, good thing. I didn't know. 155 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 3: I tried to protect you from such things. 156 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 2: And the other thing was like when you do when 157 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 2: you were when we were rehearsing it, and I remember 158 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,479 Speaker 2: Betty Anne and all the crews, they were laughing hysterically, 159 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 2: and then of course they can't laugh on. So when 160 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 2: my comedians sick mind, you think, well, I'm not funny anymore. 161 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 2: I've lost it, you know, there's that issue. No, But 162 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 2: I just I remember that night like it was yesterday. 163 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 2: And also that night, my husband's uh was opening in 164 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 2: an off Broadway show. Oh my god, and I couldn't go, 165 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 2: but he was so Look, this changed my life. I'm 166 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 2: glad it changed my life. It's a and and the 167 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 2: fact that it's come back, and it's this successful, and 168 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 2: it's no reboot runs. 169 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 3: We don't call it reboot, I know, you know what I'm. 170 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 2: Saying, no reissue, no whatever. But it doesn't it doesn't 171 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 2: happen like this. 172 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: Well I think it also just doesn't happen that you 173 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: get to revisit the characters for thirty years or whatever, 174 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: twenty eight whatever it is. So that's alone shocking. And 175 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: then the other thing that I mentioned a lot, but 176 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: is really I think important to remember is that there's 177 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: not I can't think of any other female driven you know, franchise, 178 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: which is what we are at this point. Yeah, that 179 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: is as successful and ongoing. So we're just incredibly lucky. 180 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: From the series to the movies to this exactly. 181 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 2: And also you know with within, just like that, there's 182 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 2: been big changes made in characters all the way around. 183 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 3: And Arlotte, well you. 184 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 2: Know what's interesting, Yeah, except but watching watching that early episode, 185 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 2: it was it was interesting. 186 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: Well but thank you, but you. 187 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 2: Well you know, when Charlotte did get formed, Yeah, it's 188 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 2: interesting what happens especially let me talk about the the 189 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 2: the the sequel here and just like that. What I 190 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 2: think has happened to you is that your confidence level 191 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 2: and I think this happened when you formed the character too, 192 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 2: but it has kind of heightened. Your confidence level is 193 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 2: stronger and your anxiety level is higher, which makes for 194 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 2: magnificent comedy that you listen you. 195 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: But I got to tell you something, there is no 196 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 1: way that my anxiety level is higher than it was 197 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: first season. That's all I can think of when I 198 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,319 Speaker 1: watch is how I'm talking about the cansite. 199 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 3: I know, I don't know you. 200 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: I can't say it, you know, and I don't know 201 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: what that hacked, Like I don't know where this was going. 202 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: But also I wasn't even worried about where it was going, 203 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: like like I was more just trying to pull off Charlotte. 204 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: And Charlotte was so underdeveloped, like Michael told me when 205 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:32,199 Speaker 1: he came on the podcast that he was like, I 206 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: don't know how to write for that one. And I 207 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: was like, I love to hear that, because definitely I 208 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: I could tell that I was not fully fleshed out. 209 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,079 Speaker 1: And then Jenny Banks came on, which was so great 210 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: because Jenny grew up on the Upper East Side, so 211 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: she was actually an authority who could write me knowing 212 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: what that was, you know what that was about? 213 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 3: Did Thank god? So it came together. But what I 214 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 3: want to say. 215 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: About you, and then we're going to talk about you, 216 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: because we're here to talk about you, my friend. So 217 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: what I want to say is that the success that 218 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: we've had for all these many years in all these 219 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: different forms is because we have the most amazing cast 220 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: and that includes every element of the cast and the 221 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: incredible writers and the incredible fans. So you have been 222 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: a huge, huge, huge part of that success. 223 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 2: Our chemistry is so good and I love working with you. 224 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 2: And on the note of anxiety, yes, every episode I 225 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 2: did a Sex and the City I left that set 226 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 2: thinking I didn't hit it. I didn't get like you think. 227 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:34,839 Speaker 2: I'd let you know, Michael, I let you go with 228 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 2: I know I didn't get it. 229 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 3: I know you were always so always sweet. 230 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 2: And then I would watch it and be like, all right, yeah, 231 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 2: all right. 232 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 3: So you learned, you learned as you will. 233 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: That's great because I was all I always knew that 234 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: you had five times what you thought you had. You 235 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: know what I'm trying to say, Like, and you just 236 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: needed to take a breath, Yeah, you know, just take 237 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: a breath. 238 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 2: And now look at you now and look at me now. 239 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:00,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, unless there's a lot of bread. 240 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 2: No kidding, Oh, well here's this is a lovely story props. 241 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 2: I'm talking about props, you guys. 242 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 1: Case Also you're not sure, Well he has a bread 243 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: bread business. 244 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 2: Well you know it's so funny. Tell secretly yes, and 245 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 2: everyone knows. I've said an interviews when that first scene 246 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 2: that we did together where I'm picking out your wedding 247 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 2: dress and I am saying that, oh, the placket, that 248 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 2: the lace application, I had no idea what I was saying. 249 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 2: I didn't get that, gay Jean, I couldn't pick up 250 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 2: your dress or your shoes. I'm not that kind of 251 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 2: a homosexual. I don't know, I don't, I don't care, 252 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 2: and that I don't care. I know it looks good, but. 253 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 3: I just I don't think Michael Patrick King care is. 254 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 2: Either No, no, it's about it's about you know. So 255 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 2: I didn't like being a wedding planet even though that wasn't. 256 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 3: No, but I was, no, you pulled it off. 257 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 2: You didn't complain, no, no, no, no complain, Just say 258 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:53,959 Speaker 2: the lines and hit your mark and shut up. 259 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 3: But we never said that. 260 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 2: When I said that to my head, yeah, not that. 261 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 2: I it's just like this wouldn't be my choice to 262 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 2: play got it. But when this came on, and just 263 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 2: like that came along, because I've known Michael years, so 264 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 2: I just thought he said, I know, I knew I 265 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 2: wanted to do something culinary with you. And I I bake. 266 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 2: I sell a banana bread to a coffee shop in 267 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 2: my neighborhood. No, yeah, I bake, I bake, I cook. 268 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 2: I'm a big baker. 269 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 3: Oh you cook, but I didn't know you baked. 270 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 2: Oh, I bake, I bake a lot of stuff. 271 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: Wow, we've got to get your banana bread at hot Oh. 272 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 2: I know, well, you know what. And the other interesting 273 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 2: thing is my one of my favorite bakeries is Sullivan 274 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 2: Street Bakery, which is right across the street from me. 275 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 2: All the bread that we used from there, and I 276 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 2: know Jim wagh he really, well, it's a great place. 277 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 3: What year is it? And how did you get the part? 278 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: You knew? 279 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 3: Michael? 280 00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 2: Oh, that's right, I just read it and he and 281 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 2: he cast me and got it. 282 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 3: And you thought it was one. 283 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 2: I thought it was one. 284 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 3: So then you run into him and you're like, I 285 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 3: don't care about the feedback. 286 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 2: Yeah I want it again. He said, you're definitely coming back. Great. 287 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 2: So I was on the second episode in season four, right, 288 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 2: and then I did one other episode and season four. Yeah, 289 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 2: and then I did like three in season five and 290 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 2: six and season six. 291 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: And were you just like calmly hoping or were you 292 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: calling him your agents? 293 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 3: What were you doing? 294 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 2: No? I didn't. I just prayed and I was coming 295 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 2: back because I didn't. I honestly, Look, I can't call 296 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 2: them and make them like where is my why? I 297 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 2: don't do that. Look, And there are people that are 298 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 2: the opposite. They're there with recurring people. There are people 299 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 2: that are on that have recurring roles sometimes and not 300 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 2: just our series. I'm talking about anywhere where they have 301 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 2: to work around them and then not available. I was 302 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 2: always on call because I always afraid I would get 303 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 2: fired if I couldn't make it. It's stressful, you know. 304 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 2: And then you well they had to write AM out 305 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 2: of this episode. Well they had you know this one 306 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 2: couldn't do that and this, right, I. 307 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: Couldn't be that way, But I think that's great. I 308 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 1: also would never have been that way in that situation. Yeah, 309 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: I'm always abounderstand it. But also I think, you know, 310 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: I also feel like and tell me, tell me if 311 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: you feel this way. You know you might be different 312 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: with different projects, right, but like, if you feel that 313 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: this is for you, like if it clicks, if you 314 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: are thrilled with it, and you like the working environment, 315 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: you like the part and the finished product or whatever, 316 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: you know, that's your priority. And I think that people 317 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: know that. And look, our business is crazy and sometimes 318 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: you can't control it, right, you cannot, But you can 319 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: tell what the priorities are. And I know Michael Patrick 320 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: really cares that you also care. 321 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 3: Oh I do all of us care, right. 322 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 2: You know? I mean I never even asked for like, oh, 323 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 2: I can't make it that day, be could you possibly? 324 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 2: I mean there's a few times I was like, I 325 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 2: want to go to LA and just do this game 326 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 2: show for a day, can can? I could you find 327 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 2: a day for me? You know That's how I am. 328 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 2: I don't I don't push I don't push it, you know. 329 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 2: But this look this, I also knew when I did 330 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 2: my first episode that this was a by the third season. 331 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 2: It was a big show, got it? 332 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: And you didn't come before the third was in my 333 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: mind you were there earlier, but no, because you were 334 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: my wedding planner. I don't get married to the thirsty 335 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: That's right, that makes sense, that is true. The third 336 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: season is when we really hit I would say. 337 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 2: I would say so too, yeah, and and and then 338 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 2: it just kept going. And also back then to have 339 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 2: I didn't I didn't know I was going to come back, 340 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 2: especially you already May he rest in peace for great 341 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 2: Willie Garson. You had already had one gay male character 342 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 2: on the show, and back then one was enough for 343 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 2: the public. You know what I mean. 344 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 3: I means a different times, a different times to. 345 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 2: The fact that I got to become a recurring character 346 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 2: on it, and you know, and then eventually have my 347 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 2: relationship with Stanford with will so you know, it was. 348 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: So you didn't have super high expectations based on the 349 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: fact that we already had one gay character. 350 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, and this was the nineties and or early two thousands, 351 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 3: and that was a lot. But luckily we were on 352 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 3: HBO and they pretty much let us do what we 353 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 3: wanted to do. 354 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: But we still were and it's part of the reason 355 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: I wanted to do the podcast, because if you think 356 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: about how things were in the society in ninety seven, 357 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: some things were really different, and television as a reflection 358 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: of the society. 359 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 3: And then some things weren't really different. 360 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: Right, Like there are things now that are really different 361 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: that we would not have seen coming. And then there 362 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: are some things where it's still very relevant the things 363 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: that were in the show, you know, like the themes, 364 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: the kind of ideas. But also I think the reality 365 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: of New York City. We were trying our best to 366 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: reflect that then, and some of that was a stretch, 367 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: Like having more than one gay character is a stretch, 368 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: which is crazy. 369 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 2: To think about speaking of New York City. Yeah, the influence, 370 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 2: the influence, the influence that this show had on fashion. 371 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 2: And also look, I live down the street from the 372 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 2: Meek packing district. This show accelerated, it accelerates, it accelerated 373 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 2: the development of that area. 374 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: I can't. 375 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 3: I know, babe, I know. 376 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 2: And you see those four girls in this for a second. 377 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 3: You know what's so funny? Is it still because I 378 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 3: live in LA when we're. 379 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: Not working at you know, and part of the reason 380 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,479 Speaker 1: I live in LA is because it's very chill compared 381 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: to us in New York. 382 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 3: You're like, no, New Yorkers don't care. I'm like, well, 383 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:41,160 Speaker 3: I mean it's great because they consider us theirs. I think. 384 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 2: I took my shirt off once on Sex in the 385 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 2: City was. 386 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 3: In there's a lot of stress. 387 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 2: So yeah, and I was like, oh god, yeah, I 388 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 2: looked all right, I look okay. So this was two 389 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 2: years ago. We'll we're going into the second season and 390 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,439 Speaker 2: Michael Patrick King called me up and said, hey, just 391 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 2: so you know, you're gonna be getting a storyline. You're 392 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 2: gonna be gonna be getting a boyfriend. So guess what. 393 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 2: I trainer and I started working out, and and and 394 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 2: and but the when I have a backside shot, I'm 395 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 2: in bed with Sebastian. Sebastiano, he plays who I just adore. 396 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 2: I'm the luckiest man in the world with that. He 397 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 2: sent in one audition tape and got it. We had 398 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 2: no chemistry tests and it is a godsend. And he's 399 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 2: like my brother now, you know, which is a little 400 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 2: weird kissing him first season, I was like, I got 401 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 2: to kiss this beautiful young man. Now I'm like, you're 402 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 2: like my brother, and I'm over here when it's a 403 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 2: little weird, but I love it. 404 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 3: He's just a good he's a guy. 405 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 2: So I looked, I looked at it, and I went, well, 406 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 2: the night before I dropped, I didn't sleep. I was like, 407 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 2: these homosexuals are gonna come after me. And then I 408 00:18:58,040 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 2: saw it and I went, you know what, I look okay, 409 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 2: and I'm all and and I'm next to him. I 410 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 2: was like, okay, it's not as bad as I thought 411 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 2: it was going to be. 412 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 3: You were very stressed. I remember very stress, because how 413 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 3: could you not be. It's a very real thing. 414 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 2: And and you know, even with like the intimacy coordinators, 415 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 2: because Sebastiano is a guy and I'm a guy, we're 416 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:20,239 Speaker 2: both like whatever. We're not like choreographing every move and 417 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 2: we had in this which is fine. Look it's different 418 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 2: for women, it's a different thing. 419 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 1: The other thing is, I don't think anyone wants to 420 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 1: choreograph everyone. It's about feelings safe, right, So you don't 421 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 1: know the intimacy coordinator is there because you don't know 422 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: the situation and you don't know how the other actors 423 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: can be. 424 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 3: I mean we do an our normally you don't know 425 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 3: and you don't know. 426 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 2: What the director. You're working with different men all the time, 427 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 2: Definitely a different time. I'm totally I felt so safe 428 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 2: with them, say with me, you're good but and it's 429 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 2: you know, for a man from guy. All these guys, 430 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 2: the crew, I love my crew. They're all straight guys. 431 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 2: You know, when you're a woman, it's a different thing. 432 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 2: I mean, it's a whole other thing. But anyway, So 433 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 2: before season three started filming, I said to Michael, I 434 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 2: want more nudity, I said. My dms blow up. The 435 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 2: next day, I want more nuity, I said, I like 436 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 2: sexualized at sixty five years old. It's good. 437 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 3: Well, God bless you, God bless you. 438 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 1: And you know what I mean, We're lucky that we 439 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 1: even get the chance to do anything. 440 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Exactly right, let's pause, let's 441 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 3: back up in time. Do you remember meeting Willy? 442 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 2: Yes, it was that first day, the first day, I'm sorry, 443 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 2: not the first day. It was my second. 444 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 4: Episode when we're at that fashion show, the fashion show, which. 445 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 2: Was really fun. 446 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 3: I remember being really fun. 447 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 2: I remember that day. I remember because I remember walking 448 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 2: into that the aisle of the fashion. 449 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was big too, it was big, Remember how 450 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: big it was. And remember we weren't the main story, sir, 451 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: Jessica walking and falling. Heidi Klum and Kevin A. Kwan 452 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: was there, so we were just having fun. Yeah, we 453 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: were just having good time. 454 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 3: Me and Will. 455 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 2: Right away, I got who he was. I adored him. 456 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 2: He's hilarious, his storytelling is phenomenon. He's just a great 457 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 2: it's just a great person to be around. It was, 458 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 2: it was just so much fun. And I yeah, we 459 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 2: hung out and here and there and you know, I 460 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 2: remember when he first adopted his son and all of that. Yeah, Nathan, 461 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 2: So it's yeah, I I it's fascinating because who knew 462 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 2: we were going to get married eventually? I know. And 463 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 2: what did you think of that? I thought I thought 464 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 2: it was good. I think I think it was great. 465 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 2: I think things happened. You I mean, I've met people 466 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 2: and I'm like, I'm totally not attracted that I don't 467 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden it flips. That's that 468 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 2: that happens all the time in life. 469 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: I still and I can't really separate this from actual life, 470 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: you know, because we didn't uh, you know, we didn't 471 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: know that he was sicking the obviously, we really didn't 472 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 1: think it was going to be as bad as it was, 473 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 1: as quickly as it was. 474 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 3: We had to really shift gears with your storyline. I mean, 475 00:21:57,840 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 3: how'd you feel. 476 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 2: Oh, I was. Well, first of all, he told me 477 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,679 Speaker 2: while we were filming BIG's funeral. I didn't know. That's 478 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 2: when we all kind of found out. I already knew, 479 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 2: you knew. I didn't know, and that was a hard 480 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 2: John Belfie was running around and he was something like, 481 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 2: what's going on? And I sat down on the bench 482 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 2: with Willy and he told me, and he turned his 483 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 2: head and I thought he was laughing because I thought 484 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 2: it's a joke, and then he wasn't, and so we 485 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,400 Speaker 2: both will crying, and he said he has to leave 486 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 2: the show, and I don't know what's going to happen, 487 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 2: and I'm sorry, I'm like what it was? It was 488 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 2: mind blowing. It really was horrible, and you know, I 489 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:43,120 Speaker 2: was like, wow, whatever happens for me? I was like, whatever, 490 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 2: you know? I mean? And so Michael came to me 491 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 2: and said, look, because he had a write on the 492 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 2: fly for me, because all that stuff. 493 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 3: I remember what you had, which. 494 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 2: He did brilliantly. Of course he just did, but you know, 495 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 2: and he I remember him saying to me, you know, 496 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 2: I'm gonna need you now more than ever, and you know, 497 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 2: I started crying. It was just it was a lot, uh, 498 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 2: and then Willie was gone. And I always this story 499 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 2: about when we were going in to see Lily's recital 500 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 2: that first that first episode, and we filmed the argument 501 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,479 Speaker 2: out in the front when you were coming in and 502 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 2: we went in, and then we filmed the interior like 503 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 2: three weeks later, and he couldn't make it, and that 504 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 2: scene was rewritten that morning by Michael And I remember 505 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 2: that day. So I was, you know, the court gesture 506 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 2: and trying to be funny and keep it all light. 507 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 2: You know. Michael was always throw out with Betty Davis 508 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 2: say so I will you know, but it was it 509 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 2: was we all just kind of held on and kept 510 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 2: moving forward. But it was it was rough. But you know, 511 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:55,400 Speaker 2: here we are. 512 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 3: Can you do? It is really shining, still shocking. 513 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 2: And cancer my whole family's there's so many of my people, 514 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 2: my mother and my father, a lot of you know 515 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 2: a lot of people have gone from cancer. My family, cancers. 516 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 2: It sucks, It sucks. I mean I just feel like, 517 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 2: why isn't it cure yet? Where's the fix? I agree, 518 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 2: this money making thing, where's the fix? At least? What 519 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 2: I don't? I mean, look, I know it's the things 520 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 2: that have gotten better. It's also this also treatments that 521 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 2: aren't available and we don't know about that are available 522 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 2: in Germany. 523 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 3: Or for some reason is the place. Yes, it's interesting. 524 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 2: Mostly a cancer vaccination there that they make for you 525 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 2: according to your cancer that really supposedly. 526 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 3: Helps well, listen up everyone. 527 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Peter Gabriel is doing it. Yes, Okay, so 528 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 2: you know, let's go. 529 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 4: Doctors, doctors. We're not non medical advice, no, but interesting, interesting, right, yeah, yeah, 530 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 4: I mean I wish we could go back in time. 531 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 4: I wish we could go back in time. It is strange. 532 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 4: When I first started the podcast, I had to go 533 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 4: back and rewatch the pilot, right, And I haven't seen 534 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 4: any of these things since you know, the beginning, right. 535 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 3: I used to really hate. 536 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 1: To rewatch because I just felt, I don't know, weird 537 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: about it, like I didn't want to spend my time 538 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 1: in the past, I guess. But because we're here together 539 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,919 Speaker 1: and talking about it is a connecting. The podcast is 540 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 1: a way to connect, you know, and because so many 541 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 1: people I'm sure you experienced this talk to me about 542 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: it throughout the day. You know, you're moving through the 543 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: world and different things strike different people. Differently, right, And 544 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 1: they'll come up and say, oh, I remember blah blah blah, 545 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: I remember blah blah blah. And you know, it's so 546 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: so amazing, like the way that you can touch touch 547 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: people or be part of something that touches, and. 548 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 2: How they know the material better than we do. 549 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 3: We forget it yet. 550 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I remember the big storylines, but so many 551 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 1: things I didn't remember a line, right. 552 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 3: Isn't that crazy that people remember the lines? 553 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 2: Yes? 554 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think you know, to go back when 555 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,040 Speaker 1: I first watched the pilot, I had always remembered the 556 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: pilot being bad. 557 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 3: In my mind, it was bad because we didn't really 558 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 3: know what we were doing. We didn't really know. There 559 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:07,479 Speaker 3: was so much talking to the camera. 560 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: You know, it was very dark, which in my mind 561 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 1: had been bad. But when you look back on it, 562 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: it's kind of bold and amazing and interesting and dark, 563 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: like not like television at the time at all. 564 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 2: Right, the season, yeah, very little different. 565 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: So the tone of the first season, Yeah, we didn't know. 566 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 1: We didn't know nothing in terms of what we're. 567 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 2: Doing of talking sometimes. 568 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 3: Which is fantastic. 569 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 2: Last night there was a lot of oh, yes it 570 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 2: was and I've never seen that I know because. 571 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 3: Michael does know. 572 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 2: He doesn't do that. No, no, no, he doesn't. 573 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 3: No, No, it's that sometime it's his, it's his pattern 574 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 3: that he writes. 575 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: But back when I first watched the pilot, you know, 576 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: I'm just in my bed, you know, the night before 577 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: the first podcast recording, watching it, and when they introduced Stanford, 578 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 1: it's just this super close up of Willie who already knew. 579 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 1: I knew Willy because I met him on the XBOU 580 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: set in like Vancouver, in an abandoned insane asylum. 581 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 3: Like super spooky. 582 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: But of course Willy makes any place fun, right, So 583 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: it was just a really good time. 584 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 3: He's telling stories and doing the whole thing. So I 585 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 3: already knew him, which was great. 586 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: And its just smash cut to Willi's face, his young face, 587 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: and oh, it hit me so hard. 588 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 3: It hit me so hard. But this is the joy 589 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 3: of film, that it lasts forever. 590 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: Right, And he made his mark in so many different shows, 591 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 1: is so many movies. 592 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 3: He worked a lot, so much. 593 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: Everyone knew him everyone everyone, everyone. 594 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 2: Knew him, and he worked with the lot of people. 595 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 2: He did a lot of works. 596 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,199 Speaker 3: And now ask you. 597 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,679 Speaker 1: This, do you feel when you think back is it. 598 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,679 Speaker 1: Is it something where you can think about, Oh, I 599 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,959 Speaker 1: remember when you know, Willie and I were doing this 600 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,360 Speaker 1: and I was observing him and I learned this. 601 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 3: Or are you all just like soaking it up wherever 602 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 3: you go? 603 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 2: Just you know, you're just it's day to day. It's 604 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 2: a different an experience every time you're on that set. 605 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 3: Which is what I love about acting. 606 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 2: It's absolutely it's a different experience. You're feeling different things, 607 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 2: and you're you know, you're more anxious one day and 608 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 2: a little less anxious another day, and care too much 609 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 2: one day, and then one day you're like, I don't 610 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 2: have a cat today. I'm no, I don't. 611 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 3: I know you better than that? 612 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 2: No, I don't. I don't, I don't never you know 613 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 2: what I mean? You feel different things? 614 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 3: Well, you have you have to. 615 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 1: I think the interesting thing is you have to manage 616 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 1: where you your personal self are that day, but then 617 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,360 Speaker 1: you also have to manage yourself into where. 618 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 3: Your character is that day, right, which absolutely. 619 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: Like take some work sometimes does yeah, yeah, And you 620 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: have to figure that out as you go. 621 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 2: Because sometimes when not not that I mean, I don't 622 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 2: give a shit one day, it's like I I care 623 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 2: a little less, which relaxes me more. The same person 624 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 2: going through the day in the same way, but I'm 625 00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 2: a little bit more relaxed. You happened later and right. 626 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: But it's a great thing because you you don't need 627 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: to be as anxious as you are. 628 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, they make jokes about Charlotte's wedding. 629 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 2: Your wedding was, oh my gosh, my sisters, my real sisters. 630 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 2: You don't really see as close to them, but you 631 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 2: see two women. I remember this down the island, both 632 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 2: my sisters, and one of them passed away in twenty nineteen. 633 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 2: She died a cancer. So yeah, but she got to 634 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 2: walk me down the aisle. 635 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 3: That sounds pretty great. With the swans and. 636 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 2: With the swans, and I always say, I always go 637 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 2: like this. I always say, I go up. When I 638 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 2: was like, I danced Chang the single ladies, and I 639 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 2: danced so high that I stamped on a swan and 640 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 2: broke its snack. It was an accent, and I was like, 641 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 2: who said, who has swans at their weddings? I didn't 642 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 2: have swans at my real wedding. My real wedding was 643 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 2: very I'm sure people on my roof. That was it. 644 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 2: And then we went to dinner, after. 645 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 3: Which you were in like a wedding by Michael Patrick King, 646 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 3: which is a situation. It was like a musical from 647 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 3: the forties. 648 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's set. 649 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 3: I know. It was huge with the water and the Swans. 650 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 1: We were all out in our trailers and you guys 651 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: were in there for days, and we'd all be like, hey, hey, 652 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 1: does anyone know what's going on in there? Does anyone 653 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: know what's going on in there? And then we would 654 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: walk in like, hey, you guys, what are you doing? 655 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: And it was like Eliza. It was Eliza Show was amazing. 656 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: So we would stand in the back and watch the 657 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: Eliza Show. And then it was the Swans and there 658 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: was a gay man's health course and that was you guys. 659 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 3: We were like, well, some someday they'll need us, and 660 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 3: the four of us was shot back out. 661 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. 662 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: I don't think the studio was very happy with us, 663 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: though they were a little annoyed. 664 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 2: Well, the show, it did well. It did, we did well. 665 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 2: It did. Both movies did well. It's true. Financially the 666 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 2: first movie did super great, super great. 667 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 3: Second movie we caused too much, but that's okay. We're 668 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 3: not here to talk about that it's okay, it's. 669 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 2: Not globally they all do well. 670 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 3: I know that's right, and we're lucky. 671 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: We are so lucky because theoretically, comedy and women are 672 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: not supposed to travel. 673 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 2: Ha oh no, it's a huge globe. 674 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,040 Speaker 3: I know, baby Maria, what are you? 675 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 2: You are? Charlotte part of me is yeah, I think 676 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 2: I I like things in their place. I uh, I 677 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 2: like lovely things. I definitely have high anxiety. I definitely yeah, 678 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 2: oh yeah, and I definitely have to like, you know, 679 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 2: control things. That's that's definitely do you love? Oh yeah, 680 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 2: I do believe minutes happily married, haply married. And I'm 681 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 2: a lucky lucky man because I would marry me. But yeah, yeah, 682 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 2: I'm definitely I think I never thought of that. But 683 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 2: I think if I had to say which one I was, 684 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 2: because I'm not a Carrie, because you know, Carrie goes 685 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 2: through a lot of things that She's had a handful 686 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 2: of relationships during the show. 687 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 3: Right, really only two important one really only, But I 688 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 3: mean Charlotte has had a bunch. 689 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 2: Of because I'm always I always think about them, of course, 690 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 2: because she's you know, single now and I guess you know, uh, 691 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 2: I'm partly samantic because I'm a smart ass, and if 692 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 2: for sure, and I don't think, I don't think I'm 693 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 2: a Miranda. 694 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: Miranda, would you kind of do tell things like like 695 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: it is Miranda, that's true, it is. 696 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 2: I just think she's so such an intelligence about her 697 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 2: too so but you're intelligent sometimes. But yeah, I think 698 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 2: there's a lot of me and Charlotte, and I never 699 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 2: thought that. That's very interesting. 700 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 3: I keep forgetting to ask people the question. 701 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 2: It's a good question. 702 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 4: Why. 703 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 2: I know it's psychologically it's a great question. 704 00:32:52,680 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: You're joy, Thanks for being here, okay by everybody. Yes,