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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Crime Roundup. I'm Cheryl McCollum and i

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Speaker 1: am joined this morning by Nancy Grace, and I'm going

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Speaker 1: to go ahead and tell y'all.

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Speaker 2: You better hang on. Nancy, good morning, Good morning.

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Speaker 1: You often say to me when I say hey, how

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Speaker 1: are you? You say angry and won't justice? Well, baby,

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Speaker 1: I am right with you this morning.

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Speaker 3: I take it that you have looked at the YouTube.

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Speaker 1: I watched your YouTube on that poor child who was

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Speaker 1: tortured for four days by that monster that she met online.

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Speaker 3: You know what this little girl, and I'm talking about

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Speaker 3: Brandon because that of Flora, she was from Gulf Court,

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Speaker 3: has happened a little bit down the road from Gulfport.

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Speaker 3: It's so upsetting. She had just turned sixteen. I mean,

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Speaker 3: just emphasize that, by all accounts, she's fifteen, just turned right.

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Speaker 3: She suddenly lost both of her parents. Can you imagine

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Speaker 3: at that age? No, and she moves in with grandma. So,

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Speaker 3: you know, Grandma's doing, you know, the best she can,

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Speaker 3: but it's all I can do to keep up with

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Speaker 3: the twins. One of those twenty twenty five years older

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Speaker 3: and had no idea about social media or anything else.

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Speaker 3: So this little girl knows nobody right, new area, the

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Speaker 3: whole thing. She looks for, acceptance, love, you know, everything

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Speaker 3: they look at on TikTok online. Meet someone and the

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Speaker 3: grandma's she's so happy. The granddaughter has a Valentine Day date.

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Speaker 3: She's sixteen, She's going to have a Valentine's Day date.

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Speaker 4: It's this guy that she meets, thirty seven year old

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Speaker 4: herve and I didn't get There's two things.

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Speaker 3: Online I want you to look at. One is the

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Speaker 3: flip that we managed to obtain, and.

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Speaker 2: We got it.

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Speaker 3: By the way, Cheryl from a real ham of the

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Speaker 3: upstairs neighbor a pretty nice little neighborhood. They live in

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Speaker 3: a home. This poor she meets her line and he's

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Speaker 3: got a woman with him, a woman who you in

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Speaker 3: bee with a lot of motherly love. At least. Jury's

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Speaker 3: deep is with the guy and she goes along with

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Speaker 2: Oh she goes along.

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Speaker 3: Oh, yes, more than going along, well the tow of

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Speaker 3: these people. Anyway. It's a home, a single family home,

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Speaker 3: but it's split into a duplex, so the upstairs is

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Speaker 3: one home, the downstairs is another home. Thank Heaven, because

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Speaker 3: this may never have come to light if we hadn't

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Speaker 3: gotten hold of that ring video. The ring video upstairs

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Speaker 3: catches the downstairs neighbor. I hain't to even say it

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Speaker 3: carrying the little girl's body. It looks wrapped like in blankets,

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Speaker 3: possibly carrying the body to his trunk. There's a more

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Speaker 3: video that I couldn't show for other reasons, and I'll

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Speaker 3: tell you what they are. It implicates authorite party and

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Speaker 3: that I don't know who it is and I don't

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Speaker 3: know enough about it to put it out there. Understood

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Speaker 3: everything I could show I did. It's awful. It's awful,

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Speaker 3: and when you look at it, we're so desensitized to

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Speaker 3: sing things like this in the movies. This is a

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Speaker 3: grown man, you only forty years old, carrying the body

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Speaker 3: of this little girl. He has had her tied to

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Speaker 3: a cheer for days, beating her. This devil and his

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Speaker 3: bills abub get the girl. They rape her, beat her.

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Speaker 3: The woman that makes up some excuse that she's lost

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Speaker 3: her ring accuses the little girl, and the little girl's

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Speaker 3: crying as I hope you find it. I help you

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Speaker 3: find it, but instead I hope you're sitting down. That

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Speaker 3: pays me to even say this.

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Speaker 2: They get a.

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Speaker 3: Pool ball and cram it into the little girl's mouth.

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Speaker 3: Then they wrap her face and head in cellophane, and

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Speaker 3: of course she's sixty eights with a pool ball crammed

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Speaker 3: in her head. You have no idea what I want

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Speaker 3: to do to these people. Then they take her body

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Speaker 3: and they rapid in material of some sort. It looks

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Speaker 3: to me like blankets or sheets, put her in the truck,

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Speaker 3: and then cant this. Then, Cheryl, I've got them on video.

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Speaker 2: It's way.

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Speaker 3: They're packing up to go to a picnic, taking all

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Speaker 3: the stuff with them to go dismember and dispose of her.

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Speaker 1: Daddy, Yeah, tell everybody where they went to dismember her.

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Speaker 3: Well, we've got conflicting accounts of where they went, some accounts.

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Speaker 3: Of course, all this has to be preven in a

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Speaker 3: know that. Some accounts say they go to the code defendant,

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Speaker 3: the female code defendant, who's thirty five, obviously knows better.

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Speaker 3: Mother's house. We don't know that, but there is a

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Speaker 3: tertiary crime. See where the body was dismembered. I know

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Speaker 3: very likely this is going to be a nobody, no

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Speaker 3: case scenario. Now do I believe there's no case? No

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Speaker 3: ring video. It's amazing to me the callous nature how

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Speaker 3: they treated not only her but her body, and the

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Speaker 3: torture she went through. And in the pictures that we show.

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Speaker 3: There's a brief YouTube I put up it's like twenty minutes.

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Speaker 3: Then there's a full on discussion for like forty minutes

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Speaker 3: where you see more. We go into more depth. There

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Speaker 3: are a ton of photos that we got. We went

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Speaker 3: have gone for fingerprints. There's black fingerprint powder. I talk

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Speaker 3: about you all over the walls and in one corner.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if they knew the significance of this

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Speaker 3: when they saw it, but the prosecutor will now in

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Speaker 3: one corner there is a mop leaned against the wall

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Speaker 3: in the corner. A neighbor came over. Wait for it, Cheryl.

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Speaker 3: A neighbor came over across the street, comes to the door.

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Speaker 5: We believe we don't know this yet, sees the girl

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Speaker 3: Turn around he goes back. Well, I mean, maybe, for

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Speaker 3: all I know, she thought, I don't know what she thought.

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Speaker 3: Maybe there's an innocent explanation. I don't know what that

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Speaker 3: would be, but maybe there is one. But that child

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Speaker 3: may have been saved. But I don't want to take

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Speaker 3: away the responsibility of the man and the woman the

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Speaker 3: double and builds them up. It's them, it's not the

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Speaker 3: neighbor's fault. But still, when I think about how close

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Speaker 3: she was to being saved, First.

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Speaker 1: Of all, I don't know how you get a pool

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Speaker 2: I just don't know how that's possible.

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Speaker 1: And second, if she was incinerated, how do we know

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Speaker 2: It seems like law enforcement has.

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Speaker 1: Information that would only be available if she were recovered.

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Speaker 3: No, she was not recovered. What I'm guessing is that

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Speaker 3: one of the two of them spoke. I don't know

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Speaker 3: to whom they spoke.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Maybe they told I don't know who they told, but

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Speaker 3: have confessed. We'll see so Boleeth, saying she was lured

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Speaker 3: through a social media app to meet This guy's name

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Speaker 3: else I found? Let me rephrase that, guess what else

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Speaker 3: know a former dea former DOJ. He found a neighbor.

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Speaker 3: That a former neighbor that agreed to talk to me.

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Speaker 3: Just a beautiful woman. This guy stalked and harassed her

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Speaker 3: when she lived near him, and would send her all

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Speaker 3: sorts of lude, sex advances, just whatever you can imagine,

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Speaker 3: that's what he proposed to her. He would come and

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Speaker 3: He went and got the numbers started bombarding her with

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Speaker 1: Dead and in the top neighbor the upstairs neighbor.

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Speaker 2: Aren't they afraid of him too?

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Speaker 3: Well, this is what happened. Thank you Lord for harpoon guns.

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Speaker 3: Why do I say that? Because this idiot, after Miranda

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Speaker 3: had been murdered, the ting girl, Miranda Cosette, after her murder,

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Speaker 3: this guy takes a harpoon gun and threatens to shoot.

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Speaker 3: The woman builds a bub as I call her to

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Speaker 3: And when you see, as I said, there's some like

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Speaker 3: describes what happened, and I also revealed the name of

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Speaker 3: of course she moved and another woman we've managed to

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Speaker 3: and they were afraid of this guy. And then he

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Speaker 2: Right, you can see it.

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Speaker 1: And at thirty seven he's got a string of victims

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he's got a rap sheet. He's got a

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Speaker 3: we convict him without a body? That's the immediate question.

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Speaker 3: I hate to see the state turned to codefendant testimony.

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Speaker 3: They may have to, but with this ring camera video

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Speaker 3: I hope, hope, hope they've sent cadaverdogs to hit on

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Speaker 3: the trunk of that car to corroborate the video.

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Speaker 1: Right, agreed, Yes, then of course there's a possibility of

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Speaker 1: a tertiary crime scene where the body was dismembered, so that.

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Speaker 3: Will give us evidence as well. I mean, I don't

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Speaker 1: Here's what's baffling. Crime scene you're talking about wasn't even

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Speaker 1: necessary where they're physically dismembering her to do that. It's

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Speaker 1: not necessary. That's just another level of evil. You're in Florida,

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Speaker 1: You've got a dead body in your car. How many

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Speaker 1: places could did you go and hide that body?

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Speaker 3: Get rid of a million?

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Speaker 2: A million?

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Speaker 3: I mean, if it hadn't been for red white, blue methane,

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Speaker 3: red blue with a can you remember them that happened

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Speaker 3: to see Gabby Petito's for a transit? We never found

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Speaker 3: her body.

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Speaker 2: Never, But they choose not to do that.

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Speaker 1: They choose to go somewhere, get her out of the trunk,

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Speaker 1: torture her more, dismember her, place her back in the car,

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Speaker 1: and take her wherever they take her. But again, I'm

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Speaker 1: just saying that wasn't necessary.

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Speaker 2: That was just more pure evil.

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Speaker 3: I think that they killed her in the home with

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Speaker 3: the keyball in her mouth. How they did that, I

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Speaker 3: don't know. Painful, awful. The girl was alive when that happened.

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Speaker 3: Miranda then wrapped her head and cell phane. Then they

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Speaker 3: took her body in full wrapped in blankets as you

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Speaker 3: Then they packed the crawl they're going on a picnic.

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Speaker 3: Then they leave, I don't know, probably stopped to drive

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Speaker 3: But wherever they went, that could be a witness right there,

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Speaker 1: Like you said, they're just packing up to go on

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Speaker 3: Well, I thought of the way, you know, when you're

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Speaker 3: not sweatpants as we know sweatpants, but they're like fashion sweatpants.

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Speaker 2: And let's talk about four days.

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Speaker 1: So it's that four days she's got to go to

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Speaker 1: They allow this repeated abuse, these repeated crimes, assaults, and

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Speaker 2: Seventy two hours. That's that's beyond the devil Nancy.

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Speaker 3: You know what else, Sharyl, I keep thinking about she

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Speaker 3: But we have to, Cheryl, because there has to be justice.

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Speaker 3: There has got to be justice, and they cannot be

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Speaker 2: Amen, that's what I'm screaming, Cheryl.

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Speaker 3: I hate to leave you on that note, but guess

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Speaker 3: who's here, My sister from California to Brady Emick.

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Speaker 1: Lovely, y'all go and celebrate, and I'll tell you what, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: You're not gonna forget it.

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Speaker 2: You're not gonna let this go. Oh No, that child

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Speaker 2: like her mama, and we will all stand with you.

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Speaker 2: So let's go fight.

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Speaker 3: Honey, help me, Cheryl, help me, help me get it

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Speaker 2: Amen, Let's do it. Love you, Love you to honey,