1 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: Oh, good morning, sunshine, good morning. I have been on 2 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 1: a string of morning podcasts, and it's it feels very like, well, 3 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:24,479 Speaker 1: let's see how it goes. Let's fuck around and find out, 4 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: you know, because I'm. 5 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 2: Funny both holding our coffee. 6 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: As I say that, we're both sipping on our coffee. 7 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: I actually enjoy it because it just gets my day going, 8 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: you know. And also there's not all the things that 9 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: happen throughout your days, so then you're going into a 10 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: recording at the end of the day like stressed or 11 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: anything like that. But my brain just does not fire 12 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: exactly the same in the morning, like sometimes you know, 13 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: you're just having that moment where you can think the word, 14 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: but you can't get it to come out of your mouth. 15 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 2: I've been up for a couple of hours, so I'm 16 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 2: hoping my brain is turned on. It's crazy how fast 17 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 2: two hours. Like I woke up, I was like, oh, 18 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 2: I have two hours, and then I was like, wait, 19 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 2: I have five minutes. Where the fuck did all that time. 20 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: Go In the morning. I know, my boyfriend makes fun 21 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: of me because like, if we have to be somewhere 22 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 1: by nine, He's like, so you need to get up 23 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: at five thirty because I am such a like I 24 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: want to have the slow morning. I love a slow morning, 25 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: and if I don't get my slow morning, it just 26 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: kind of throws my whole day off. So because I 27 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: have like rituals, you know, like I wake up, I 28 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 1: do a meditation, I do my guasha. What is It's 29 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: like a stone that you massage your face. So I'm 30 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: trying to think of the massage your face was to 31 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: get your limps to drain. It's like if you know 32 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: when you wake up some mornings and your face just 33 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: looks swollen, it's just backed up fluid basically. So it 34 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: really also kind of like sculpture face. And you know, 35 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: I've been off botox, as I was telling you guys, 36 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: so I haven't done it. I think it's been like 37 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: eight eight or nine months, is what I ended up 38 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: figuring out. And there's a lot of different things happening 39 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: to me my skin. But that's okay, Like I'm just 40 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: I'm trying to adjust. I also just needed to reset, 41 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: like I'm not sure I'm never gonna get botox again. 42 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 1: It's just more of that. I needed it all to 43 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: kind of fade out, to have a fresh start. So 44 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 1: I've been doing things like fish you're working with Yeah, 45 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: kind of see where I'm at at forty three. So 46 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: I've been doing face tape at night, guash it in 47 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 1: the morning. I do this little like face gym, these 48 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: exercises also, So I'm sipping all my coffee doing all 49 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: the things, and my boyfriend's like, okay, so i'll see 50 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: you in two hours. 51 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 2: We need the video of you doing your face exercises. 52 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: Oh god, it's so embarrassing. I swear. I don't know 53 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: if it's placebo effect or what, but when I'm doing it, 54 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 1: I swear it does tighten everything up and kind of 55 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 1: like wake up your face in a way. 56 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 2: I mean it would make sense like your face is 57 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 2: like forty seven muscles or something like how do you 58 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 2: know that? Because I listened to your podcast or maybe 59 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 2: it was in it, because maybe it was sin your podcast, 60 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 2: maybe it was her Ted talk. 61 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: Oh the body language experts. Yeah, oh interesting, okay, yeah, 62 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: and your. 63 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 2: Face can make sixteen hundred, Like it can make sixteen 64 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 2: hundred I think facial expressions. 65 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: What kind of stats guy are you today? 66 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 2: Ollow statistician over here? 67 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: Wow? But if we do interviews are I'm sorry podcast 68 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: because I'm not interviewing. We do podcasts in the morning. 69 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 1: Chip turns into status. 70 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 2: I've got my clipboard ready. 71 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but that's why I started doing the face 72 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: isn't it interesting to think about? Okay, so when we 73 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: want to tone our bodies, we do what. 74 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 2: We work out. 75 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, you lift weights, you exercise, you walk, you run, 76 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: you whatever. But in our face it just started to 77 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: dawn on me. I'm like, but in my face, I'm 78 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: injecting something to freeze my muscles, So what happens to them? 79 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: You know, It's like what happens to muscles that you're 80 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: not using, They go into actual atrophy. 81 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 82 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: Us, it started to dawn on me of how weird 83 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: it was this method, Like is it ultimately long term 84 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: actually helping our muscles? I mean, I think it's probably 85 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: helping our skin with wrinkles, but I don't know. So anyway, 86 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: I'm trying out the face gym stuff to see kind 87 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: of what happens if I do it consistently. I was 88 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,239 Speaker 1: doing it consistently like back in January, and I'm telling 89 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 1: you it was very interesting to see in the face 90 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: tape too. I'm not opposed to any of this now, 91 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 1: So we'll see. I don't know. Maybe I'll get botox 92 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: like once a year instead of I was getting it 93 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: like every two or three months. That's just too much. 94 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 2: Oh that's a lot. 95 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's fucking expensive for one. 96 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 2: Now I'm mind starting to wear off. So you got 97 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 2: to see what I want to do. Yeah, I only 98 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 2: do it in my forehead though, been around my eyes things. 99 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: You're doing stuff right now that people can't see. Watching 100 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 1: so I can see his wrinkles. Yeah, I guess you 101 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: got to watch on YouTube. 102 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 2: But the statistician needs to make some updates. It's actually 103 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 2: forty three muscles and ten thousand facial expressions. 104 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: That's still a lot that you're pretty close. Forty seven 105 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: forty three, forty three muscles in our face. Interesting. Well, 106 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 1: let's just get into that now, because this is a 107 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: really good transition. I love that you tied it into 108 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: me not getting botox. But we did talk about that 109 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: in the podcast. On Wednesday's podcast, I had body language 110 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: experts Adrianne Carter. I always want to say, Adrian Adrianne. 111 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: She's British, so. 112 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 2: Okay, it makes sense. 113 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: Adrian Adrian Adrian Calza. I watched too much Loveday yeah, 114 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 1: so she was on. It was a fascinating conversation. If 115 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: you guys haven't listened yet, that was one of my 116 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: favorite podcasts I've done in a while, just because I 117 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: found her so intriguing. But the things that she was 118 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: talking about were just about the day to day life 119 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:50,119 Speaker 1: ways that we're communicating with each other all the time 120 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: with our facial expressions, our body movements, and we don't 121 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: know it, you know, we think communication just involves words, 122 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: and that's literally at maybe fifty percent maximum. 123 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 2: I mean, think about a baby, they don't have. 124 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: Them exactly, and they're You said, you can't not communicate. 125 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: I loved that, Yeah, you can't not so should. We 126 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: really talked through some different things like how to tell 127 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: if people are lying, but also the impact of botox 128 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 1: and all this plastic surgery like facelifts are huge right now, 129 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: it's such a buzzword. So she said, all of that 130 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 1: is really impacting how people can read your face. And 131 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: the interesting thing is is when you can't move your 132 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 1: face or if people can't read your face, they want 133 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: to be away from you, like instinctively, we don't want 134 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: to be around people that we can't read. So I'm 135 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 1: sure it's like a safety thing within our body. But 136 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: I thought that's so interesting about our culture as a whole, Like, 137 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 1: if we're doing all these things to freeze our face, 138 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,239 Speaker 1: are we deterring human connection in a way? 139 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 2: You know? So anyway, it's truly interesting. Yeah, yeah, that 140 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 2: probably maybe that's why I'm single. It's the botox. 141 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: Has to be stop getting botox already. God, that has 142 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: to be it. 143 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 2: Here. 144 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: Oh boy, Well we want to talk about that too. 145 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: But Chip and I were kind of just talking through 146 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: the day to day ways that body language is impacting 147 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: us that we're not even thinking about, and just to 148 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: kind of bring them into our awareness. We have some 149 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: questions we were going to ask each other and see 150 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: how they play out, because it is fascinating to think about. 151 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: I don't really think about my face as this big communicator, 152 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: but it makes total sense when I actually think about it, 153 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: because I am not good at not expressing how I feel. Like, 154 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: it's really difficult for me to show up to something 155 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: where there's this underlying feeling and I'm gonna be like, hey, right, 156 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: we're also. 157 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,239 Speaker 2: Good at spotting it too. Like I've definitely had moments 158 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 2: where I've been out with Kelly, and then I'll get 159 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 2: the call later that night and be like, Hey, what's 160 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 2: going on with you? And I'm like, what do you 161 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 2: mean She's liked you weren't the same today? 162 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: I just read everything. 163 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 2: Well. 164 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: That was what was really interesting for me to listen 165 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: to Adrian because she was talking about the connection between 166 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: emotional intelligence and being able to read people. And I 167 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: don't even think about it, but I am reading all 168 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: the time, and like, I think it is because I'm 169 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: such an emotional person and I'm so in touch with feelings, 170 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: you know, Like I can't explain it, but I walk 171 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: into your room and I sense things, so like you 172 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: could be saying you're fine, and I'll be like, no, 173 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: you're fucking not, Like I'll know, yeah. And I think 174 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: certain people just have that skill set or whatever you 175 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: want to call it. I don't know, but she was 176 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: talking about it in ways that I think you could 177 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: train yourself to learn more to be more aware. I 178 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: mean she went to school for this, which I thought 179 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: was an interesting to think about that class, Like. 180 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 2: Who's the teacher for that? 181 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: I don't know? And what do you do in it? 182 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: Like it was very fascinating to think about for me. 183 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 2: You just look at pictures all day and you're like 184 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 2: mad happy lying. 185 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: Her eyebrow lifted one point two centimeters or something. She 186 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: must be thinking she hates you. 187 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 2: Well, I wonder, you know, before we get into it, like, 188 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 2: think about when you're preparing to go to core. 189 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: Well, I don't typically prepare to go to court. 190 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 2: Well, I mean I haven't either, but you know I 191 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 2: watch TV and people go to court all the time. 192 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,239 Speaker 1: Oh okay, but like are we talking about like dateline 193 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: or where? 194 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean, wouldn't it be like, wouldn't it 195 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 2: be smart for lawyers to like study this too, to 196 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 2: be able to read faces or how to coach their clients, Like, Hey, 197 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 2: you do this thing with your eyebrow that we need 198 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,079 Speaker 2: to work on, like because it is a tell and 199 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 2: like you might not even be aware that you're. 200 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: Doing it, or you're sitting with your arms crossed, you're 201 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 1: doing it right now. And she talks specifically about that. 202 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 1: She was like a lot of times that one gets 203 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: misread because I believe you're just doing it right now 204 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: because it's comfortable. 205 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 2: It's comfortable. 206 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, but she's said all the time, Yeah, And she 207 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: said a lot of people misinterpret that as closed off. 208 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: I actually have always heard that if you're closing your 209 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: arms like that, you're trying to block out other energies. 210 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: So maybe you're sensing my energy too much. 211 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 2: You're like, no, it's actually my I think I'm just 212 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 2: doing it because my chair isn't that comfortable, and it's yeah, 213 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 2: you have to lean forward or across your arms back. 214 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and that's what she said. She's like a 215 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: lot of people want to read more into that one, 216 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: but in reality, oftentimes people are just sitting that way 217 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: because it's comfortable. 218 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 2: What's also, it's kind of like a trope of being mad, 219 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 2: Like in the movies, they're always like, yeah you bed, 220 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 2: you know, like the arms crossed mom, like golding a kid. 221 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 2: But no, this is actually just comfortable for me. 222 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: Okay, I wonder if. 223 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,959 Speaker 2: It's like there's also some sort of like if you know, 224 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 2: obviously I'm sitting in my own home, I'm comfortable whatever. 225 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 2: But if you're out at a club, like holding yourself 226 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 2: close or something like if you're. 227 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 1: In a crowded space walking energy. 228 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, but also like hugging yourself, you know, I don't. 229 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: Think of Yeah, that's true. I do do that in 230 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: the morning. See, that's another thing Hugglebaddye think about when 231 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: you're in a fight and you're sitting across She said, 232 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: sitting across from someone is actually the confrontational position to 233 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: be in, which I thought was so fascinating. Like, if 234 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: you're in an argument with someone, she says, a lot 235 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: of times, it's better to sit next to them so 236 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: you're not interpreting the body language as a whole nother 237 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: realm of communication, right, because if you're trying to work 238 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: through it and someone's pissed, they might be sitting with 239 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: their arms crossed, or they might be giving off an 240 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 1: energy with their face like scowling or frowning like you 241 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: are right now, And if you're sitting next to them, 242 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,319 Speaker 1: you wouldn't necessarily absorb that part of the communication. You're 243 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:27,959 Speaker 1: going to actually listen to what they're saying. 244 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 2: I hope that they're telling you the truth, because if 245 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:32,839 Speaker 2: you're not looking and they've got their lying face on 246 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 2: up or whatever. 247 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: Wasn't that interesting? 248 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 2: It's so wild. Like when we were prepping for this, 249 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 2: Kelly was sending me some ideas and I was just like, 250 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 2: I'm so not aware of a lot of the things 251 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 2: that my body. 252 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: Does yeah, Well that's why we're going to ask these questions. Yeah, 253 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: because it's a lot about your own communication with your body, 254 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 1: not just like other people. I wanted to touch really 255 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: fast because you said the thing about lawyers. I thought 256 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 1: about too. She said, poker players are obviously the best 257 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: at controlling their body language because they have to be. 258 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: But think about like criminals and stuff. I was I 259 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 1: was posting about how to spot a liar that she 260 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 1: basically taught me, and I'm thinking, I'm also just helping 261 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: liars get to be better liars? Is this what I 262 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 1: want to advertise? 263 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, think about like the Jeffrey Dahmers and 264 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 2: those kind of sociopaths of the world that are like, 265 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 2: are able to get away with the same thing over 266 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 2: and over and over again for a long time. Like 267 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,319 Speaker 2: I mean, I wonder if there's something about them being 268 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 2: somewhat cut off emotionally and their body doesn't even work 269 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 2: the right way. 270 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, she said. In the podcasts that asked her that, 271 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 1: I said, I know you mentioned poker players, but what 272 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: about like sociopaths, psychopaths, serial killers, And she said, well, 273 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: often for them, the reason it's not being communicated with 274 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: their body is because they're not actually feeling it, Like 275 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: they don't feel the emotions that we assume they would 276 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,959 Speaker 1: feel from killing someone, right, Like that. 277 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 2: Regular person build the build up to killing someone, like 278 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 2: going to the bar to meet them or whatever. 279 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, that they can do wild. 280 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 2: But what's wild is that they're also able to turn 281 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 2: on the like I mean, in Jeffrey Dahmer's specific case, 282 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 2: like he was able to go out and turn on 283 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 2: the charm and like meet guys at bars to convince 284 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 2: them to come home or to have him go home 285 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 2: with them. But then like doesn't have access to the 286 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 2: other emotions when you're like chopping up a body and 287 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 2: putting it in your freezer. 288 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: I don't think he probably felt anything with that either, 289 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: other than it was a means to the end of killing. 290 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 2: Them, unless he was like it was like a sexual 291 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 2: arousal thing and that's all he felt was that side 292 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 2: of things. I don't know. 293 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: I love that this podcast has turned into. 294 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 2: Jeffrey Today on a very special blossom. 295 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: You love to do that blossom love blossom. All right, 296 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: So let's go through some of these questions because I'm 297 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: curious what your answers will be. What's the biggest tell 298 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: when you're lying or uncomfortable. And do you think other 299 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: people notice? 300 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 2: You know, it's funny because this isn't necessarily a facial expression, 301 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 2: but I turn red and I get blotchy if I'm lying, 302 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 2: I get like blotchy skin, and you. 303 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: Do, especially on that. Yeah, interesting, what do you think 304 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: it is? It's like your body is rejecting the lie. 305 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. I've never, like even since I was a little kid, 306 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 2: Like my sister is a really fucking good liar, Like 307 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 2: it is her life is like built on a house 308 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 2: of cards. It's crazy. And I watched her lie, you know, 309 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 2: all the time as a kid, and I would try 310 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 2: to do it and then like an hour later I 311 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 2: would come bawling to my mom and tell on myself. 312 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 2: So I've never been a great liar. 313 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: Not a good liar either. 314 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 2: I can definitely think of like great scenarios to lie, 315 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 2: even though I've studied improv. When it comes to real 316 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 2: life shit, Like, I can't even be in a bar 317 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 2: and like make up a fake job about myself. I'm 318 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 2: just like at a certain point, I either will get 319 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 2: blotchy or I'll just start laughing. 320 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. 321 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 2: So yeah, usually it's like I'll laugh, But the blotchy 322 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 2: thing is like it happens more often, like when it's 323 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 2: like a serious thing that I'm lying about, or like 324 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 2: I know I've heard somebody and I'm trying to like 325 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 2: soften it or whatever, like and I don't know if 326 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 2: that's just my body being like just be honest, you know, 327 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 2: like it's so much harder on your bar. Yeah, yeah, 328 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 2: like because I probably on a cellular level, it must 329 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 2: lying must do something to us. 330 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: Well, you must have to disconnect or disassociate or something 331 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: from feelings. And I think both of us, for the 332 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: astrology folk out there, we're both by these moons, and 333 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: I do think that that plays into it, Like I 334 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: think we're too sensitive. Like I cannot lie and not 335 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: feel guilty. I feel guilty as fuck everything I've lied. 336 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: I'm like you were all have to come clean or 337 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: I just can't do it, Like I literally can't do 338 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: it in the moment. So then I'll break down and 339 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: cry and just tell the truth because I don't. I 340 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: don't want to hurt people's feelings. But I also am 341 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: like that feels so far from like who I am. 342 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: I guess I can't feel good about it. I don't 343 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: know how do people sleep at night? Like I can't 344 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: get I just really don't understand. 345 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, when you were saying that I don't want to 346 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 2: hurt someone's feelings, it made me think of the saying 347 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 2: the truth hurts, and we're so quick to say that, 348 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 2: you know, because it's true, Like, sometimes the truth is 349 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 2: going to hurt you. I feel like for both parties, 350 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 2: it's actually the healthier thing to do, even though it's 351 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 2: not might not be easy and might not be what 352 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 2: anyone wants to say or hear. But I feel like, 353 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 2: in terms of going and putting your head down on 354 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 2: the pillow at night, having the truth or saying the 355 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 2: truth is always much better for your body as a whole. 356 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 2: I'd be splotchy going to bed splotchy. 357 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: And you're just like fives all the time. 358 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 2: All right, you wait, what's your tell? 359 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: Oh? I just think you can tell I'm lying when 360 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 1: I'm doing it. I just don't think i'm good at it. 361 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: I've never been good at it. I know growing up, 362 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 1: I wasn't good at it. Anytime I lied to my mom, 363 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: I got busted. I mean, I just don't think i'm 364 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: very good at it in general. So I don't have 365 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,439 Speaker 1: very much practice to even say to you. This is 366 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:25,640 Speaker 1: what happens because literally, like when I lie, people will 367 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: be like, I don't think that's true, and I'm like, 368 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: it's not like it's just like. 369 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 2: The they're so kind that they're not like you're lying. 370 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 2: They're like I don't think that's. 371 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: True, or just like is that is that right? And 372 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: I'll be like, no, it probably wasn't like that. I 373 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: don't know. I'm just like, yeah, like I literally can't 374 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: do it. I think I more so get quiet when 375 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: I don't want to say the truth, right, you know, 376 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 1: So that's. 377 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 2: When I mean, that's a great tactic, you know, if 378 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 2: you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything else. 379 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I probably just avoid space. Yeah, I 380 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: don't want to say the truth. But then eventually that 381 00:17:57,840 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: comes out too, So I don't know, I just don't 382 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: think that that's I've never I've literally never been good 383 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 1: at it. 384 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 2: It's just the whole Well, you know what's funny is 385 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 2: when I cannot lie and I have to say a 386 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 2: hard truth, my eyes will well up for me. Yeah. 387 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: Yeah. We talked about this on the podcast, and I 388 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 1: actually posted a clip about this on Instagram today. But 389 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: we were talking about eye contact with lying, because we 390 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 1: often associate people looking you in the eye as that's 391 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: going to be the signal they're not lying. And she 392 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: was like, it's actually the opposite, which made so much 393 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: sense to me because I've been I was taught thinking 394 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: about like ex boyfriends or whatever, but I've been in 395 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: multiple situations where they have literally looked me in the face, 396 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 1: like looked me in the eye, dead in the eyes 397 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,439 Speaker 1: and said that the lie, or you know, said the 398 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: opposite of the truth, and I knew in my body 399 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 1: it wasn't true, just intuition or whatever, but it made 400 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: sense to me. Maybe I was picking up on the 401 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: over eye contact even as like, Okay, something's not right here. 402 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, You're like, you don't look at me like this 403 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 2: when we're having sex, don't. 404 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I thought it was interesting to tells she 405 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: said about lying because she said the eye contact thing. 406 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: She said, people often like squench their nose up, or 407 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: they lift one shoulder, not both, but one shoulder, kind 408 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: of like a shrug situation. 409 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 2: Yes, for that one, interesting one, the. 410 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: Big one for me that I think I instinctively noticed, 411 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: but I didn't really realize this is what was happening. 412 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: But when people change their behavior, like if they're a fidgetter, 413 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: like they shake their knee a lot or something, and 414 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden they're just sitting really calm, 415 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 1: They're probably lying because it's something in their body. Is 416 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: like they need to be very conscious of every move 417 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: they're making. So I think it's probably like paying attention 418 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: to the differences in ways people are acting. Do you 419 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: think your resting face matches your personality or do you 420 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: think people often misread you? 421 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 2: Now? I think mine does because I'm generally pretty a 422 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 2: pretty happy person. I'm one of those people that smiles 423 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 2: at strangers on streets. I feel like, I like walk 424 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 2: around with a smile on. 425 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 1: Have you ever seen that meme? This is kind of 426 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: a sad tangent, but have you ever seen that meme? 427 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: It's like about white people walking and it's like you 428 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: walk by you you like whisper high to everyone walking 429 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 1: by you. I'm like, I fucking do that. I notice 430 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:17,959 Speaker 1: it all the time now. 431 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I grew up in a small town, 432 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:23,479 Speaker 2: so we waved at everybody too, you know. Like, but 433 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 2: I feel like, generally, like I'm pretty smiling even when 434 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:31,199 Speaker 2: I'm not like actively trying to look happy. When I 435 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 2: give myself away the most is when I stop paying attention, 436 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 2: like when I get distracted because my face goes like 437 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 2: it's like a weird blank thing, and you're. 438 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: Right, I just go on this podcast. 439 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,159 Speaker 2: I know, yeah, because I'll get a text from a 440 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,159 Speaker 2: client or something, and I'm just like, I can't do 441 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 2: two things at once. Fair I'm like, I should be 442 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 2: a lot better at it because I've had a multi 443 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:52,640 Speaker 2: time so much. 444 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 1: I don't think men are good at it. 445 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 2: I'm just not good. Our friend Mary Hilliard is the 446 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 2: best at it. Like she can hear full conversations and 447 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 2: read an email at the same time, and I'm like, 448 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 2: I can't do that. I would read read it wrong 449 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 2: or hear it wrong. 450 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,439 Speaker 1: It's actually a wiring thing with women, like we. I 451 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,199 Speaker 1: don't know if it's learned behavior or if it's actually 452 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 1: in our wiring. But I talked about it with Bonnie 453 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 1: Hammer a couple of weeks ago, because she was like, 454 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: that's one of the qualities that women as leaders should 455 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 1: be leaning into more and like taking ownership of the 456 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 1: fact that we can multitask because men really can't y'all 457 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: are very linear, and y'all think of one thing at 458 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 1: a time. I try to tell this to my boyfriend 459 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 1: all the time because he'll you know, he's a director 460 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 1: and so he'll be like editing some video or something 461 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: while we're on the phone, and I'm like, okay, well 462 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you go because you see it. And 463 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: he's like, I can talk to you while i'll do this, 464 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: it's just editing. I'm like, no, you fucking. 465 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 2: Can't you for three minutes. 466 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: I'm like, it might be working for you, but it's 467 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: not for me. Like I'm bored over here. So and 468 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: you're in the same exact way. Yeah, I just like, ohways, 469 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,360 Speaker 1: like put your phone away, turn off all your notifications 470 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 1: because if it comes up, you can't. 471 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 2: Find focus, Like I really can't. 472 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's all the male thing. 473 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 2: And my face goes real blank too, like I'll be 474 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 2: trying to. 475 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 1: Act like you go maha, you start saying to huh 476 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:17,239 Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, so bad. I was thinking about this. 477 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: I think I get misread very often. I think I 478 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: come across as a way bigger bitch than I. 479 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 2: Actually, well, you're also tall, okay, which I think makes 480 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 2: you more noticeable. So you're I think you're being seen 481 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 2: by more people than you're seeing. Okay, you know what 482 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 2: I mean. And so, like I think that is it's 483 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 2: an easy way to get. 484 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: Like misread, misread. I just think it's like if I'm 485 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: thinking or processing something, I probably have a blank stare too, 486 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: and it comes off as bitchy. You know. It's also 487 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 1: because I'm a woman, and like it's. 488 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 2: An as an easier insult. Yeah. 489 00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:00,080 Speaker 1: Yes, Also, I think I've noticed this about like my job, 490 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,360 Speaker 1: and so people just assume that people in my part 491 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: of the business, like the beauty world, are just vain 492 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: and cold or only care you know, just very surface 493 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: or whatever. 494 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 2: Right. 495 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, we just get misread a lot because we like 496 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 1: hearing makeup and close. It doesn't mean we're all assholes, No. 497 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 2: It's she and I talked about. I had a coworker 498 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 2: at a former job that every year she got in 499 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 2: her review with her male boss, was told that she 500 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,360 Speaker 2: needed to work on her resting bitch face, like literally, 501 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 2: she needed to smile more. 502 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,640 Speaker 1: You could never in twenty twenty five say that, No, 503 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: she could grass. 504 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, she probably should have and could have sued. Then 505 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 2: I wonder how what the statute of limitation. 506 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: Is all that six years. Trust me, I've looked. 507 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 2: Into sug shit well too late. 508 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: Typically, I don't know. It might be different with some things. 509 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: You could never get away with that now, So you 510 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 1: need to smile more, the. 511 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 2: Bitch, you need to stop wearing ugly jeans, is what 512 00:23:58,880 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 2: I should have said back. 513 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 1: Have you ever realized your body language was saying the 514 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: opposite of what you were actually trying to project? Have 515 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 1: you ever realized your body language was saying the opposite 516 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: of what you were actually trying to project? 517 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 2: I think in sort of romantic situations, you know, I 518 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 2: always say like I want like to fall in love 519 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 2: and live in a rom com, Like that's what I want. 520 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 2: Like I can think like a screenwriter and think of 521 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,120 Speaker 2: like really romantic rom COMI things to say, but then 522 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 2: getting them to like cross my lips is really hard 523 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 2: because it feels cheesy. So I feel like any moments 524 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 2: where I've like found the courage to say that, my 525 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 2: body language is still in the nervous phase and doesn't 526 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,719 Speaker 2: move the same way as like the words are, so 527 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 2: it always is very awkward, which then makes me more 528 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 2: hesitant to do it. But I also think that that's 529 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 2: cute and rom call. 530 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 1: Me it is. So do you do it anyway or not? 531 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 2: I mean sometimes not all the time, but it's definitely 532 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 2: like my body is doing one thing while I'm trying 533 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 2: to say something. 534 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 1: Else say another. 535 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 536 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: Well, I was gonna ask the question next of what 537 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: does your body do when you're nervous versus your confident? 538 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: And I think my answer actually ties into that because 539 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: I feel like people always tell me I would never 540 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: know that you were feeling nervous or you were like 541 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: I think I come across even when I'm nervous, like 542 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 1: I actually go more internal and so it looks outside 543 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 1: like very stoic when inside I'm going crazy, you know, right, Yeah, 544 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: part of my tourist rising energy is like we just 545 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: present very steady. So I can be feeling very nervous 546 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: and very like oh my god, oh my god, just 547 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: second guessing everything in my head, but I'll still project 548 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: this outward like confidence. I guess that's what it looks like. 549 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: I don't know, stoicism, whatever it is, steadiness. Those are 550 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: the things I would think about if, yeah, that I'm 551 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: feeling something different and it's projecting outward. Do you feel 552 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 1: like you're nervous different when you're nervous versus confident. 553 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 2: I definitely I feel like you can tell if I'm 554 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:21,439 Speaker 2: nervous because I'm generally like so all over the place 555 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,439 Speaker 2: that I'm not thinking about anything but just like cracking 556 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 2: a joke or whatever. Right, But when I'm like put 557 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 2: on display, I get nervous, and I think I reduce myself. 558 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 2: I try to make myself smaller. 559 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 1: I do the same thing. 560 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't know if people can read that 561 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 2: or not. I definitely feel it with you. 562 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: I don't think so you could. You don't, you know, 563 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: you come across more like boisterous and confident. This is 564 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 1: kind of why the whole topic of body language was 565 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: so fascinating to me. In talking to her, I was 566 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:55,120 Speaker 1: just thinking, isn't it so interesting how we push ourselves 567 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 1: to like project something different than what we're feeling, or 568 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 1: to say even sometimes we'll say words that our body 569 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: is going to be like, yeah, you don't fucking mean that, 570 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: like right, Just the interesting piece of feeling like we 571 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: have to perform versus just being and saying and doing 572 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: everything authentically. Like, it's just very interesting, well, you. 573 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,439 Speaker 2: Know, and a lot of it is subconscious too, Like 574 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 2: it's not like we're like nervous to go into a 575 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,880 Speaker 2: party where we don't know any I'm trying to think 576 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 2: of like an example, like I don't love walking into 577 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 2: a party where I don't know who's going to be there, 578 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 2: like or if I already know I'm not going to 579 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 2: really know anyone but the host, Like I hate that. 580 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,959 Speaker 2: It's not like I'm consciously like being like all right, 581 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 2: hold your shoulders back, like confidence, you've got this, Like 582 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 2: I don't do that, but like it all happens together 583 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 2: in this like weird way. Yeah. Then I think about 584 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 2: like you know, an athlete at the Olympics, like where 585 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 2: you see or even like before a major league a 586 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 2: major league NFL like football gameing like you see them 587 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,640 Speaker 2: like getting in tune with their bodies, you know, like yeah, 588 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 2: because it all has to work together. Their mind and 589 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 2: their body has to be completely in sync for the 590 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 2: things to work. Or swimmers the way that they're so 591 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 2: aware of every inch of their body and they're stretching 592 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,719 Speaker 2: in whatever. That's what I feel like I need to 593 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 2: be like when I'm going into a party, so that 594 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 2: it's like all in line, I feel great, boom, but 595 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 2: I you know, you start doing some stretches, calistonics, like 596 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 2: people are like, look at me on the law and 597 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 2: they're like, what is that weirdo doing? 598 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: Okay, speaking of like morning routines and body I follow 599 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: this guy his name is Jules Horn on Instagram if 600 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: anybody wants to go look. But he's very much into 601 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: the holistic. It does a lot of like Chinese medicine, 602 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: like traditional Chinese medicine kind of stuff. And he has 603 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: this one thing that he's been posting about recently to 604 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: help you drain your limps in the morning and also 605 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: like kick in your metabolism. He says, you can do 606 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: these six minutes of exercises and it's equal to walking 607 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: for an hour as far as like burning calories and 608 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: metabolism and all that stuff. Because if you are getting 609 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: your fascia, I think, is that yeah, how you say it, 610 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 1: which is all the stuff that like is connecting our muscles. 611 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: If you get that moving and letting go of inflammation 612 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: and stuff, that is more productive. We just don't do 613 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: these kind of things anyway. I'm probably explaining it wrong. 614 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: Go follow hime on Instagram. But I've been doing these 615 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: things in the morning and then at night, I've been 616 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 1: doing this somatic work with this girl called the Workout, 617 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: which on Instagram, and she helps your nervous system calm 618 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 1: down through your body. But it's really helping me in 619 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: so many more ways than just I'm doing that for 620 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: sleep and to try to release like any additional trauma 621 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: stuff that I might have, because there's all these like 622 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: health benefits to that too, you know, like if we 623 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: hold if we hold stuff in our bodies, feelings in 624 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: our bodies, we just get inflammation, which is the cause 625 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: of all disease. So anyway, both of those things are 626 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: really helping me to like release and help my muscles 627 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: release and tension. It's amazing how it's helped my anxiety, 628 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: it is helping my sleep, But it just made me 629 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: think of how disconnected we are from our bodies so often, 630 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: and like that, doing those exercises in the morning and 631 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: at night, it's just putting me more in touch with 632 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: my body on all levels, like in general, walking through 633 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: the day in general, like doing anything connecting with my partner. 634 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 1: Like it's just it's it's amazing the ways that I 635 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: can disassociate out of my body if I'm not doing 636 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: stuff like that, like intentional work to actually connect to 637 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: my body. 638 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, how long is the thing at night? 639 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: Oh? It's like, I mean the maximum one is twenty 640 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: minutes and that you just But it's like I have 641 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: the hip program. It's a hip release program, and she 642 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: has all different kinds of programs like shoulder. I think 643 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: there's like a jaw release one. It's really really amazing. 644 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 1: I've it's very beneficial. I'm gonna do a different program 645 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 1: after I finished the hip when they're not expensive either. 646 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 1: I think they're like forty bucks a package. So but 647 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: it's just crazy that we don't talk about our bodies 648 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: and our movements and like the language that's happening just 649 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: all of the time in so many different ways. Like 650 00:30:58,280 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: we mentioned the eye contact thing, and I was in 651 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: and say, do you actually believe that eye contact is 652 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: what we think it is? Like do you believe it 653 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: can help with intimacy or do you think that it's 654 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: a telltale of liars? Like what's your thought on eye contact? 655 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 2: I mean, I think it can be used in different ways, 656 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 2: and I think when liars use it as a weaponization 657 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 2: of what it really is. Look that looking into somebody's 658 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 2: soul and telling you you love them and meaning it. 659 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 2: There's a lot of weight to that. You know. It's 660 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 2: when you when you watch two people get married and 661 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 2: they're promising their lives to each other and they're like 662 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 2: looking at each other like losing it. Like that's real, 663 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 2: Like that is uncontrollable emotion that you're seeing. But I 664 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 2: think we all know that. So, you know, sociopaths who 665 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 2: want to sit and like lie to you, to your face, 666 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 2: that is the shield that they're using to sort of 667 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 2: cloak their lie. I read, you know, you know, I'm 668 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 2: a dog person. I read that making eye contact with 669 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 2: your dog is like to them feels like a hug. 670 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 2: Really yeah, which is really interesting. Yeah. 671 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 1: Me Adrianne said on the podcast Wednesday that looking she 672 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: said she's read a study and she was like, I 673 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 1: don't know, I don't have enough research to fully back this, 674 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,959 Speaker 1: but there's some study that says you can fall in 675 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: love with someone if you look deep in their eyes 676 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: for four minutes, like your body actually connects to them 677 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: like love. And I have done an exercise where it's 678 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: like you do left eye to left eye and you 679 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: do it for seven minutes, like with your partner, and 680 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: it's it's a part of like TNTRA, But it really 681 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: is supposed to connect you in a deeper way, like 682 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 1: your souls see each other. If you do left eye 683 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: to left eye for seven minutes straight, And I'm telling you, 684 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: seven minutes doesn't sound like a lot. 685 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 2: It's a long time when you're doing so long. 686 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: When you're doing that, and like you go through a 687 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: range of emotion when you're doing it, because you're like, 688 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: I want to look away, but then you don't want 689 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: to disconnect, and so then you have to go in 690 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: deeper to yourself and deeper with them. Like it's a 691 00:32:58,600 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: really interesting thing. 692 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 2: Do you like did you laugh? 693 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, they've done it a couple times, but like, yes, 694 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: I've laughed before, But I think you really want to 695 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 1: try to be present in the moment, you know, as 696 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: much as you can. It's very fascinating. And also have 697 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 1: you ever tried to look in the mirror? 698 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 2: No, but I've heard that part of your podcast. I've 699 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 2: thought about doing it last night before I went to bed, 700 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 2: but I. 701 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: Did try it and report back to us week. 702 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 2: How long is she said to try for thirty seconds 703 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 2: or something? 704 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean she was saying her client had worked 705 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 1: up to one minute and that was like a big accomplishment. 706 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think you could just set a timer 707 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: and try. 708 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 2: It and then try to see how long. 709 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: You can do it. 710 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I think what she said was try for 711 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 2: five seconds, and if you can do that, the next day, 712 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 2: do six. 713 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: I would be really interested to hear how it goes 714 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:46,959 Speaker 1: for you. The times that I've done it, it's been 715 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: part of like a therapeutic experience, and every single time, 716 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 1: whether it's tied to mantras or whatever, when I'm doing it, 717 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 1: if I look myself in the eye, I think it's 718 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,239 Speaker 1: because it actually connects you to your body. Like some 719 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: of the exercises I was just talking about, I start 720 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: crying because I think it's like you can you see yourself. 721 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 2: We're good? 722 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 1: I mean, maybe you know, like there's a lot of 723 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 1: emotions that can come up a lot of times. For me, 724 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,799 Speaker 1: it's also maybe it's been because of the times I've 725 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: done it in my life, but it's been sort of 726 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,839 Speaker 1: this like I look at myself and I see what 727 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: the girl has been through, you know what I mean. 728 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 1: Whereas like when you're living it, you kind of can 729 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 1: disassociate from how hard things have been or how painful 730 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 1: or whatever. Then you look in the mirror and you're like, 731 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 1: I see you, like this warrior that's walked through battle, 732 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: you know. Like so it's almost this deep respect in 733 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,320 Speaker 1: love I found for myself. But it's uncomfortable because I 734 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,240 Speaker 1: don't think we almost have that intimacy with ourselves sometimes, 735 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: which is so bizarre. 736 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:49,280 Speaker 2: We take ourselves for granted. 737 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, we really do. Anyway, I think all this is so, 738 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,319 Speaker 1: I mean, we could do a million questions about this, 739 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: but we're running out of time. So if you guys 740 00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 1: have not listened to the podcast with Adriann yet, go 741 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: check that out. I thought she was so well spoken to. 742 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,880 Speaker 1: So she was just like a fun conversation that was 743 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,720 Speaker 1: on Wednesday. And if you have any sort of insight 744 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: into your own experiences with eye contact, body language, any 745 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: of this stuff, email us at the Edge at velvetedge 746 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: dot com. You can also slide into my DMS. I'm 747 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 1: at Velvet. 748 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 2: Edge, Chip, I'm at Chip Doors. It's Chip d O 749 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 2: r scch. Oh. 750 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 1: Also, you guys can go follow our Velvet Edge podcast Instagram. 751 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 1: We're growing chip. We're up to like two hundred people. 752 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 2: Now, oh wow, look at that. 753 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 1: It's so interesting. How hard it is to grow stuff 754 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,280 Speaker 1: on Instagram now, Like back in the day when I started, 755 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: you just would pop off, you know, and now it's 756 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,320 Speaker 1: like everyone's so oversaturated. 757 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,760 Speaker 2: But do we need to start a tickle tackle. 758 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 1: I have a TikTok up for Edge podcast. 759 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 2: It just clips. 760 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,279 Speaker 1: I really want to venture into substack. That's kind of 761 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,920 Speaker 1: my next goal. But for to now, you guys, go 762 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 1: follow along on the Velvet Edge Podcast Instagram. There's a 763 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 1: lot more info about each podcast. And also we're going 764 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 1: to start doing some like tangible tools for you guys, 765 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 1: so you can have some takeaways to work with. Yeah, whizzes, 766 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,840 Speaker 1: you know, I love like a tangible Google so journal prompts, 767 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 1: things like that. We're working on all of those things. 768 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,799 Speaker 1: So go follow us at Velvet's Edge Podcast. And as 769 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 1: you guys go into the weekends and you're living on 770 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: the edge, I hope you always remember too 771 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 2: A casual bye.