1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:00,880 Speaker 1: Can't. 2 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 2: I am six forty. 3 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 3: You're listening to the John Cobelt Podcast on the iHeartRadio app. 4 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 3: We are on every day from one till four o'clock 5 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 3: and if you miss anything you got to catch up, 6 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 3: you go to the iHeart app John Coblt Show on demand. 7 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 3: That's the podcast, and we have been telling you about 8 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 3: Alex Padia. We have more Alex Padia to play later 9 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 3: on in the show because for no other reason than 10 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 3: Eric Clark put in so much time enduring this lengthy 11 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 3: emotional speech Padilla crying and moaning over the way he 12 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 3: was thrown around by christinomes security. So just just out 13 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 3: of compassion for Eric, we're gonna get Art Arthur on. 14 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 2: Now. 15 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 3: Art is with the Center for Immigration Studies, and he 16 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 3: had a story and yesterday that they published in the 17 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 3: New York Post yesterday that caught my eye because it's 18 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 3: really barely covered and it's a big deal. For all 19 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 3: all the talk about Trump's ice deportations, many more have 20 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 3: self deported and hardly makes a ripple in the media. 21 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 3: Let's get right Arthur on Center for Immigration Studies. 22 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 4: How are you, John, I'm doing great, Thanks for having me. 23 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 3: So the estimate is anywhere seven hundred and fifty thousand 24 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 3: to a million have left on their own. 25 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 4: Yeah, and actually the latest census data for last month 26 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 4: has just come out, so we're busting that down now 27 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 4: at the Center for Immigration Studies CIS dot org. And 28 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 4: I think the number might actually be even higher than 29 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 4: I had postulated. But yeah, we're talking about somewhere between 30 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 4: a million foreign workers who have dropped out of the 31 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 4: workforce since March and one financial whiz at trend micro 32 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 4: who thinks it's been about one hundred and ninety three 33 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 4: thousand people per month who have left the country. Now, 34 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 4: keep in mind John Ice admits that it's deported about 35 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 4: just over two hundred thousand people. Those other people had 36 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 4: to have gone somewhere and they went home. 37 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 3: So how do you even try Do you know how 38 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 3: these analysts even tracked to get an estimate that's in 39 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 3: the ballpark. 40 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 4: Well, when you're talking about, you know, the immigration issue, 41 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 4: you know you're going to have people on both sides 42 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 4: who throw numbers at one another. But when you look 43 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 4: at the financial analysts, and all of this was driven 44 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 4: by the June unemployment numbers. Those people make their money 45 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 4: by estimating how many workers there are in the economy, 46 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 4: and in particular how many foreign workers there are. And 47 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 4: by the way, I note the fact that the White 48 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 4: House put out a press release this afternoon California, North 49 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 4: carolta time that indicated that real wages, blue collar wages 50 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 4: john have increased nearly two percent since Donald Trump took office. 51 00:02:55,400 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 4: And the two things are very closely tied. Many most 52 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 4: of the of the migrants who come to this country 53 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 4: and lawfully are going into those blue collar jobs. 54 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 1: They're in direct competition. 55 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 4: With American workers. And I say that, I mean citizens 56 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 4: and lawful immigrants, and when they leave, employers have to 57 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 4: pay them more money. We don't have a twenty dollars 58 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 4: minimum wage like you guys have at fast food ressaurants 59 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 4: in California. So you know, it's an open market in 60 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 4: most of the country. And you know, when people go 61 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 4: when they're not available for those jobs, you know, wages 62 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 4: go up and the economy grows. 63 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 3: And they can tell of the percentage of foreign born 64 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 3: workers in any given month. 65 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, Actually, there are a number of metrics that you 66 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,279 Speaker 4: can find in the census date of the community population 67 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 4: survey that will indicate you know, who is foreign born 68 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 4: and who's not again, it's foreign born, it's not. You know, 69 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 4: some of those people have naturalized, but we can sort 70 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 4: that out by looking at the naturalization numbers and figure 71 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 4: out how many people how many foreign born people are 72 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 4: here now. The illegal population is a lot more difficult 73 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 4: to identify, but generally we can use proxys to determine, 74 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 4: you know, who those people are and determine what their 75 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 4: status is. 76 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 3: Is there any information from the government about the CBP 77 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 3: app because the Trump administration is asking people to self deport, 78 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 3: register on the app to leave, and you'll get one 79 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 3: thousand dollars and you'll get some preferential treatment if you 80 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 3: want to come back legally. Do we have any data 81 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 3: on that? 82 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 4: So we know that about ten thousand people have used 83 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 4: the CBP Home app. That's the old CBP one app 84 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 4: that Biden was using the funnel hundreds of thousands of 85 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 4: people into this country. About ten thousand people have taken 86 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 4: Christynom up on her offer to be paid a stipend 87 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 4: when they get back home. But the vast majority of 88 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 4: these folks, John are doing what people have traditionally done 89 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 4: when there's enforcement. We saw it under Eisenhower, we saw 90 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 4: it under George w Bush. We're seeing it today. You know, 91 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 4: they're cashing out. They've made their money. You can go 92 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 4: back to San Pedro, Sola On, you know, the wages 93 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 4: that you'd barely get buy and you know Santa Barbara 94 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 4: on and you know, live pretty well. You can rebuild 95 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 4: your life. And they most of these people, we can 96 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 4: all agree on that came here, you know, simply for 97 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 4: economic reasons. They've made their money. It's expensive to live 98 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 4: in this country. It's a whole lot cheaper to go 99 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 4: back home. 100 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 3: There's always been this claim that the illegal aliens come 101 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 3: here and do the jobs that Americans won't do. But 102 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 3: if you're you're telling me that people are leaving by 103 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 3: the hundreds of thousands, and salaries for blue collar workers 104 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 3: are going up to percent, presumably they're getting Americans to 105 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 3: do these jobs. 106 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 4: Absolutely. And you know, I started my legal career more 107 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 4: than three decades ago in construction law. And if you 108 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 4: go to most job sites today, you will see that 109 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 4: most of the people who are working there, you know, 110 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 4: don't speak English, which suggests that they're you know, didn't 111 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 4: go to the Los Angeles Unified School District, so you know, 112 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 4: the you know, those were traditionally jobs that were handed 113 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 4: down father to son. They were strong union jobs. It 114 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 4: was only when we had this massive wave of people 115 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 4: come into the United States, you know, in the early 116 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 4: two thousands, and then again more recently than Americans left 117 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 4: those jobs. There are no jobs that Americans won't do. 118 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 4: In fact, I think there are seven hundred and fifty 119 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 4: different job categories Department of Labor tracks, and only four 120 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 4: of them have a majority immigrant component. And even in 121 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 4: those industries, you know, housekeeping, agriculture, there's still a significant 122 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 4: number of Americans will do them. You Know, what I 123 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 4: tell people is if you told me I could sneak 124 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 4: into Saudi Arabia illegally and get paid two million dollars 125 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 4: a year to pay houses, I'd at least give it 126 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 4: a thought. And you know, that's the wage differential that 127 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 4: we're talking about. For most of these people, they'll do 128 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 4: the jobs cheaper. And let's face it, job most of 129 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 4: the employers that hire these folks are just skirting the 130 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 4: immigration laws. They're skirting the wage and our laws and 131 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 4: ocial laws, all those other laws. 132 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 3: Because I live on the West side of LA and 133 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 3: people have are employing a lot of illegal immigrants. You know, 134 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 3: for housekeeping, for childcare, for gardening, for construction, you name it, 135 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 3: and that none of them would admit, though, if you've 136 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 3: pushed them up against the wall, that they're paying these 137 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 3: people very cheaply, that they're exploiting these people. 138 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, and that really is the rub when you talk 139 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 4: about all of this. You know, you have immigrants advocate 140 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 4: immigrant advocates who are out there banging the drum in 141 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 4: Los Angeles literally talking about how much they care about 142 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 4: immigrant communities. But one, they're demanding that criminals be turned 143 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 4: back into those immigrant communities, to be released from custody 144 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 4: and not be given over eyes. And two they're standing 145 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 4: by while, you know, those immigrants who are exploited, and 146 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 4: they justify it by saying, well, you know, the work 147 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 4: for the wage, or you know, they need to get 148 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 4: by or they need to support themselves. And of course 149 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 4: that is self serving and fatuous. I mean, it's it's 150 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 4: probably the most ridiculous argument that I could hear. 151 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: If you care about you. 152 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 4: Know, working conditions and wages and people being able to 153 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 4: earn it, you know, an honest living for an honest 154 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 4: day's work, you want to restrict immigration the way that 155 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 4: the law actually says it should be restricted. Nobody wants 156 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 4: to see immigration cut off. But simply follow the laws 157 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 4: and you'll be surprised at how quickly, uh, you know, 158 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 4: communities improved, the streets are safer. You know again, we're 159 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 4: going to have an immigrant community in this country. We 160 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 4: always have and we always will. But just follow the 161 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 4: follow the rules, and you know you'll see that everybody's 162 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 4: boat rises. 163 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 3: All right, Arthur, always good talking with you, Center for 164 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 3: Immigration Studies, Thank. 165 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 4: You, Thank you so much. 166 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: Done. 167 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 3: All right, Art, It is always interesting to talk to 168 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 3: you because he spends he spends his days immersed in 169 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 3: all these kinds of numbers. 170 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: You know. 171 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 2: You know it's funny is. 172 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:16,319 Speaker 3: Look at the farm workers because I always hear these 173 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 3: progressive types, the west Side type is going. 174 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 2: Oh but it's so cruel. 175 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 3: You know, they just come here to work, and I'm thinking, 176 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 3: do you know how little they're paid? Do you know 177 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 3: what their living conditions are like on these farms? It 178 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 3: is like almost sub human living conditions. It's exceptionally cheap. 179 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 3: Pay well you know how much you know it costs 180 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 3: you more for your strawberries, wouldn't it. And I'm thinking 181 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 3: that's what you're in for it. That's that's what turns 182 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 3: you on is cheap strawberries. You don't care about these 183 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 3: people because the first thing they'll say is, well, you 184 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 3: know the price of strawberries that go up? Yeah, bingo, 185 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 3: that's what you care about. Why don't you pay a 186 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 3: premium for the strawberries and at least maybe these workers 187 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 3: would make real money. This is just what I don't understand. 188 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 3: It's like you get cheap food. They are being paid 189 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 3: dirt and you're telling me that, a that's a good deal. Now, 190 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 3: what's a bad deal for them? It's nice that they're 191 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 3: making more money compared to being at home. 192 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 2: But they're being exploited and abused. 193 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 3: You never you never see you never see people, especially 194 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 3: on my side of town, who want the immigrants to 195 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 3: make more money in the fields. They always talk about 196 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 3: how well you don't have the price of strawberries to 197 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 3: go up. They are phonies, they're hypocrites, their virtue signalers. 198 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:56,719 Speaker 5: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI A 199 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:57,559 Speaker 5: M six forty. 200 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 3: We're live everywhere in the iHeartRadio app and the Moist 201 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 3: line is eight seven seven Moist eighty six for Friday 202 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 3: eight seven seven, Moist eighty six and if you heard Deborah, 203 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 3: there is no decision, no immediate ruling on whether Trump 204 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 3: or Gavin Newsom controls the state's national Guard. 205 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 2: So I guess I don't know. Are they done for the. 206 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 6: Day or That's what I'm trying to figure out. Did 207 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:27,079 Speaker 6: they decide to go home or they're. 208 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 3: Gonna or is this just a status report right as 209 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 3: of them sending out this news bulletin. 210 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 7: There it's in San Francisco. 211 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 3: So yeah, the hearing start at one o'clock and Barrel 212 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 3: Ooks or maybe C News came on with us at 213 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 3: about five after one and he said things were wrapping up. 214 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,719 Speaker 3: I mean, they do issue lengthy statements frequently. 215 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: You know. 216 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 3: It's like seventy two page decisions, so that takes a 217 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 3: while to write and organize. 218 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 2: I vote they put you in charge. Oh I would 219 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 2: immediately invade Oregon. 220 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,079 Speaker 6: Okay, So what I'm being told is they have adjourned 221 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 6: for the day to revisit. 222 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 7: This later this week. 223 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 3: To revisit it later this week. Now Royal's opinion. Because 224 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 3: we couldn't hear this hearing live, it was online. It 225 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 3: was being streamed, and Royal watched it and he thought 226 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 3: the two Trump appointees were very skeptical of the Newsom 227 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 3: team's arguments, and that even the Democratic appointed judge, because 228 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 3: it's a three judge panel, was also questioning a lot 229 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 3: of the rationale behind the Newsom team's legal position. So 230 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 3: he thought he was pretty confident that it was going 231 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 3: to go Trump's way, but you never know. But they didn't. 232 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 3: None of the judges seemed to indicate any real hostility 233 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 3: to the Trump side, especially considering the way Stephen Bryer 234 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 3: treated the Trump lawyers last week. 235 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 2: And you know, there's. 236 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 3: Now that we're nearing the end of this particular riot 237 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,839 Speaker 3: cycle because the mayor, you said, the mayor. 238 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 7: Has the cours done. 239 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 3: Okay, so let's say it appears that the riot cycle 240 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 3: is over. I'm sure there's gonna be a lot of 241 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 3: police activity for a while downtown. In the end, what 242 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 3: did the National Guard do? They simply guarded the Primarily 243 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 3: they just guarded the federal buildings, the one downtown and 244 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 3: the one in Westwood, and they guarded the employees who 245 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 3: work in those buildings. The Marines didn't do anything to 246 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 3: get involved in the ride at all, and the National 247 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:51,439 Speaker 3: Guard involvement was very limited. I read once that they 248 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 3: accompanied some ice officers on some raids, but ice officers 249 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,959 Speaker 3: are federal employees, so to me, that falls under the 250 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 3: uh under protecting federal employees that mandate. But I don't 251 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,719 Speaker 3: I wasn't aware. I mean, if it happened, you know, 252 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 3: we'd hear about it, right. I wasn't aware that they, 253 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 3: either the Marines or the National Guard had anything to 254 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 3: do with suppressing actual rioters. All the craziness you saw 255 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 3: in the streets was from either LAPD or the La 256 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 3: County Sheriff's Department or maybe a few other law enforcement 257 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 3: agencies that were helping out. But I didn't see the 258 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 3: National Guard do anything with the riders, and didn't see 259 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 3: the Marines certainly, So the whole thing became moot. But 260 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 3: this is a good template because you know, as they 261 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 3: continued the deportation proceedings around the country, there are so 262 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 3: many violent left wing organizations that have now been mobilized. 263 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 3: We are going to see more of this over the 264 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 3: summer because Trump clearly is not giving up. And you 265 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 3: know these guys, these these Antifa style groups, they're into 266 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 3: anarchy and they're very well funded. 267 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 6: Hey, John CNN is saying that Homeland Security Secretary Christine 268 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 6: Nome has been taken to a hospital. I have no 269 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 6: idea what's going on with her, but it's breaking news sources. 270 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 6: That's CNN is citing sources that Christie no Home has 271 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 6: been taken to a hospital. 272 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 2: Nothing else though, huh No. 273 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 7: By ambulance. 274 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 2: By ambulance, So we will I mean, she's so young. 275 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 3: It doesn't seem like there would be many medical conditions 276 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 3: that you know, would affect her that would cause an 277 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 3: emergency run to the hospital. 278 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 2: That's weird. Yeah, I mean I had my speculation. I'm 279 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 2: going to keep it in my head. 280 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 5: Yeah. 281 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, there's no reason to speculate because it could be 282 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 6: a number of things. 283 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 2: No, Alex Media didn't get near her. 284 00:15:56,240 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 6: I knew you were going to say something likele he. 285 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 2: Owed her one, didn't he? All Right? More coming up, 286 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 2: Deborah Mark is, Oh, who do we owe you? Yes? 287 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 3: Well, speaking of this, Don Mahallick's coming on. He's ABC 288 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 3: News law enforcement contributor, retired Secret Service agent and the 289 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 3: weekend's Ruckus was the terrible shooting death of the former 290 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 3: Democratic House speaker in Minnesota, Melissa Hortman and her husband Mark. 291 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 3: They were shot to death and shot and wounded was 292 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 3: a Minnesota state Senator, John Hoffman and his wife Yvett. 293 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 3: The killer is Vance Bolter. He's up on federal and 294 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 3: state charges. And we're going to get some analysis from 295 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 3: Don Mahallock about the whole situation because a lot of 296 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 3: lawmakers all over the country they're trying to get their 297 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 3: private information off the internet. 298 00:16:56,560 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 5: You're listening to John Cobel's on Demand from six. 299 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 3: We are on from one until four o'clock. As you 300 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 3: miss anything after four o'clock, it's John Cobelt's show on 301 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 3: demand on the iHeart app. By the way, coming up, 302 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 3: but later in the hour, we're going to have a 303 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 3: question for men only. Question for men only, would you 304 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 3: rather be shot with a rubber bullet in the eye 305 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 3: or in the testicle? 306 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 7: I so discriminated against you. 307 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 2: Do you have a testicle? 308 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 1: No? 309 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 2: Then you are not eligible. 310 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 3: Okay, the affair in the next fifteen minutes you acquire Okay, 311 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 3: I'll let you know. 312 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:37,479 Speaker 2: Don Mahawick's coming on now. 313 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 3: ABC News Law enforcement contributor, retired Secret Service agent. There 314 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 3: are a lot of public officials that are scrambling around 315 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 3: trying to get their private information off the Internet, which, 316 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 3: as you know, is very difficult. And this is after 317 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 3: the former Democratic House Speaker in Minnesota, Melissa Hartman, was 318 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 3: murdered her husband murdered as well in their house at 319 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 3: three thirty in the morning. Also shot was a state Senator, 320 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 3: John Hoffman and his wife. They were shot multiple times, survived. 321 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 3: Vance Bolter is in federal custody facing a slew of 322 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 3: federal and state charges. Let's get Don mahalic on. Don, 323 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:17,880 Speaker 3: thank you for coming on. 324 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 1: Thanks having me John. 325 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, there are thousands of legislators in this country. 326 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 3: It's virtually impossible to protect everybody. This first step of 327 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 3: trying to get your private information off the internet? Is 328 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 3: that even possible because if you look online, it looks 329 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:44,880 Speaker 3: like there are dozens, hundreds, thousands, maybe of these internet 330 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 3: sites that carry all kinds of information because most of 331 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 3: it's in public databases. 332 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's go back in time. Back in time 333 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 1: when they were still phone books. You know, you had 334 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 1: the option to have an unpublished number, which would take 335 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 1: your name, your address, and your phone number out of 336 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,439 Speaker 1: the phone book, so if somebody looked you up, they 337 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 1: couldn't find you. That has completely disappeared because of the Internet. 338 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: All of this, all of our protected information is publicly 339 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: available if you want. There are search engines that you 340 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: can pay for to get an entire report about you, 341 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: your family, your relationships, everything. So we went from one 342 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: extreme to the other. And I think Congress has missed 343 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: the ball with this. They should have acted as soon 344 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 1: as the Internet started and put some rules into place 345 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: that prevented this proliferation of private information. Could they do 346 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: it now? Yes, Congress could pass the law and order 347 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: all of these cyber companies to scrub and not sell 348 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: this kind of information. It would take time, they could 349 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 1: do it, and the bottom line is they would lose money, 350 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: which is what our information is. Our information is worth 351 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 1: money to them, it's valuable. So that's the reason there 352 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: has been this push. I cannot do that tyqually. What 353 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: happens is when states or when Congress has passed these laws, 354 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: it gives you the option to have it scrubbed. It's 355 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: not a mandate. Congress has changed the option to a 356 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: mandate and let the cyber companies start start doing what 357 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: they need to do to protect everybody. 358 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 3: So is it that these the cyber companies are well 359 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 3: funded and they provide a lot of campaign contributions and 360 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 3: lobbyist money, and so Congress never gets around to mandating 361 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 3: that they scrub all the private information. 362 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 1: I would say the cyber industry right now is worth 363 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars and probably spends 364 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 1: several hundred million, if not billions, on lobbying state and 365 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: the local governments and the federal government about, you know, 366 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: laws related to the Internet and whatnot. For years, they 367 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 1: pushed back against Congress about self regulation. They wanted to 368 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: self regulate, and so Congress took trepidacious steps about putting 369 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 1: laws in place about the but a lot of the 370 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: laws that are in place are outdated, old, because the 371 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: Internet has evolved and the laws have it. I think 372 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 1: it's time for Congress, from a safety perspective to pick 373 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 1: up the gauntlet or throw down the gauntlet and say enough, 374 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: we need we need to put a wall up here, 375 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 1: and the wall needs to be clear. 376 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 3: I'm astonished how far back the information goes. I mean, 377 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 3: when I've looked online, it has people's homes and phone 378 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 3: numbers going back thirty years or more, probably the start 379 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 3: of the Internet. And there's also a lot of wrong 380 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:37,439 Speaker 3: information as well. 381 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 1: Right, so you've got information, you know, your entire history 382 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: is there, and then there's wrong information. So you've got 383 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: this quagmire personally identifiable information that's available, some right, some wrong, 384 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: all dangerous. So why do we, as the American people 385 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: stand to have our information that available? I mean, I've 386 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 1: tried over the years to go on and scrub this 387 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 1: and scrub that, but as we all know, some other 388 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: search engine pops up. It would be a full time 389 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 1: job to do that. It is almost impossible for any American, 390 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 1: let alone elected official or otherwise, to actually get their 391 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,360 Speaker 1: information scrubbed from every corner of the Internet, because there 392 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,959 Speaker 1: is not a law that mandates it, and the cyber 393 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 1: companies don't make it easy if you try to go 394 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 1: on and get something scrubbed, you know, trying to find 395 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: where you have to click, and where you have to 396 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 1: send an email, and who you have to email. 397 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,719 Speaker 3: It's complicated for a lot of these Well, I know 398 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 3: Google has a service. You have a Google account, and 399 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 3: you can make a request that they will approach all 400 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 3: the Well, first of all, they'll do a scan, right, 401 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 3: They'll do a Google scan and a list all the 402 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 3: sites that have your personal information, and then if you 403 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 3: ask Google, they in turn will request from these sites 404 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,199 Speaker 3: to delete the information. But some of the sites say no, 405 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 3: we won't do that, and then I guess you're stuck. 406 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: Right, So we're beyond the point of asking. It should 407 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 1: be telling at this point in time, and that telling 408 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: should comes from the federal government. Look, the cyber companies 409 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 1: have enough other ways to make money. They don't need 410 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: to sell your my home address and phone number and 411 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 1: data birth you know, to do that. They can recoup 412 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: that in other ways. But what it does for me 413 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: and you, and the elected officials and the police officers 414 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 1: who have been swatted at docks and everything else, is 415 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 1: it gives them a level of protection that they don't 416 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: have now that used to be in play before this 417 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 1: thing got out of control. 418 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 3: What else could lawmakers do to protect themselves. I mean, 419 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 3: most of them live in ordinary homes and ordinary neighborhoods. 420 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 3: They don't have security. And you certainly wouldn't expect a 421 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 3: guy to put on a rubber mask and show up 422 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 3: at three point thirty in the morning dressed as a 423 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 3: cop and then they shoot you to death. I mean 424 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 3: that kind of thing. I guess there's no way to 425 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 3: protect yourself other than never answered, well, even if it 426 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:01,959 Speaker 3: looks like the police. 427 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, but there are some basic personal safety and protective 428 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 1: things I think people forget about from time to time. 429 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: And if you're a lawmaker, you know, it should be 430 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: part and parcel. And if you become a lawmaker, local, state, federal, 431 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 1: investing in a ring doorbell camera, security surveillance system, alarm 432 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: systems that should just become part of your home at 433 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: this stage of the game. Having the police know where 434 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: your home addresses and having them do checks on your 435 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: house and having the police department's number in your phone 436 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: should be part of your part of your you know, 437 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: part of just living if you're one of these officials. 438 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 1: The other thing is, you know, I used to have 439 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: a friend of mine who the community policing would tell homeowners, 440 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,360 Speaker 1: don't open the door unless you can kiss and hug somebody. 441 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 1: And people say, in this situation, the guy was dressed 442 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 1: like a cop, looked like a cop. But I read it. 443 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: But I read a news story that said when the 444 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 1: couple opened the door, they said, you're no cop. So 445 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: had they taken the time to talk through the door, 446 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,719 Speaker 1: or to talk to a ring doorbell camera, or and 447 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 1: then call mine when won and verify if it was 448 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 1: a police officer at their house, because let's face it, 449 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: cops don't show up at people's house at two or 450 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,360 Speaker 1: three o'clock in the morning randomly. If they're set there, 451 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: they're dispatch there. You know that, in and of itself, 452 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 1: may have prevented what happened. Not trying a Monday morning 453 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: quarterback what happened. But those are the type of safety 454 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 1: steps if you're an elected official you should be taking 455 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: to keep yourself safer. 456 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 2: All right, Don mhallick, thank you for coming on with 457 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 2: us again. 458 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me John all right, he's. 459 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:36,360 Speaker 3: The ABC News LA Enforcement contributor hired secret service agents. 460 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 3: All Right, when we return first time for this game, 461 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 3: would you rather take a rubber boat in the I 462 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 3: or in the testagon? I get to play Eric. It's 463 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 3: to play the debor's opting out. 464 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 6: I'm opting out. I have no choice. Well, you said 465 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 6: I'm not. 466 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 3: I said you had fifteen minutes to acquire a testical. 467 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 2: I guess nothing else. 468 00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 7: I still don't have one. 469 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 3: Okay, so you'll just watch. Yeah, Well, you're really afraid 470 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:07,959 Speaker 3: of anything. 471 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 7: I say, I'm not afraid at all. 472 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 2: You're waring. 473 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 5: You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI AM sixty. 474 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 3: Moistline is eighty seven seven moist eaighty six eight seven 475 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 3: seven moist eaighty six. That's Friday. Or use the talkback 476 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 3: feature on the iHeart app. All right, today's game is 477 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 3: would you rather get a rubber bullet in the eye 478 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 3: or in the testicle? And uh to give you further details, 479 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 3: We're going to play you a story by uh Hold 480 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 3: on ABC seven reporter. Oh, it's Cigar Cia again. 481 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 8: They just started opening fire on us, just spraying and 482 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 8: obsived amount of rubber bullets just everywhere. 483 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 9: And Marshall Ruddruff is recovering at the hospital. He was 484 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 9: one of the tens of thousands of protesters for the 485 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 9: No Kings Day demonstration Saturday in downtown Los Angeles. He 486 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 9: says it was peaceful until it got ugly, and that's 487 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 9: when he says he was in by rubber bullets fired 488 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 9: by local law enforcement. 489 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 8: The bullet fractured my cheek and it tore part of 490 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 8: my eye open and I had to go into surgery 491 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 8: for about four hours or five hours to get it 492 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 8: repaired that night. And it's questionable how much vision I'm 493 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 8: going to be able to get back or you know 494 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:29,920 Speaker 8: how much I'm going to be able to see out 495 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 8: of my right eye right now, it's just a giant 496 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 8: question mark. 497 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 9: The LPD and Sheriff's Department say their officers were assaulted 498 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 9: with water bottles and bricks. They declared an unlawful assembly 499 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 9: and went in to break up the protests. Mostly according 500 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 9: to the LPED, there were a number of peace officers 501 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 9: injured as well. Marshall's friends, Jazz Egger and Gavin Prophet, 502 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 9: have been keeping him company during his hospital stay. They 503 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 9: set up a GoFundMe account to help pay for his 504 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 9: medical bills. Gavin says he was at the protest close 505 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 9: to where Marshall was when things, as he put it, 506 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 9: from from peaceful to police moving in. 507 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 10: I think everyone that's out there is peacefully protesting. I 508 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 10: know that there is bad apples in any situations, but 509 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 10: I don't think that the force that was used to 510 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 10: repel the peaceful protesting was justified at all. 511 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 11: America is being divided right now, and I believe we 512 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,360 Speaker 11: have to stand to get it. No matter what side 513 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 11: you're on. We have to support one another, no matter 514 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 11: regardless of ethnicity. Race or political affiliation. Because love is 515 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 11: the only way. 516 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 2: Somebody that love is the only way. 517 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 7: So what you said, love is the only way? 518 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 11: Love is the answer because love is the only way. 519 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 7: Oh no, really, Yeah you didn't know that. 520 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 3: No, I mean, I mean somebody. I'm a cop and 521 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 3: somebody's throwing a brick at my head. 522 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 7: You say love is the only way. 523 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 3: I'm just supposed to love him back. Yeah, same thing 524 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 3: about with a bottle bottle of brick. I'm just supposed 525 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 3: to say, please come here. I know you threw a 526 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 3: brick at my head. 527 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 7: I love you anyway. 528 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 3: I love how The people have picked up on this 529 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 3: phrase peaceful protest, and they constantly repeat it like it's 530 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 3: some kind of prayer. If the police are shooting rubber 531 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 3: bullets because somebody was throwing bricks and bottles at them, 532 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 3: it was not a peaceful protest. Maybe you wanted it 533 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 3: to be a peaceful protest, but all these things end 534 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 3: up being a riot. 535 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 2: They always do. It doesn't matter what it was like 536 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 2: at ten in the morning. 537 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 3: By the late afternoon, people get frustrated because they didn't 538 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 3: just thrown the king. This is what I was talking 539 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 3: about yesterday. They woke up yesterday morning, Trump was the king. 540 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 3: They went to bed last night, Trump was the king. 541 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 3: They wake up this morning, Trump is the king. You 542 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 3: could throw rocks and bottles. He's still the king. And 543 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 3: now you're under arrest. And this guy's part of his. 544 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 11: Eye because love is the only way, all right. 545 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 2: Bringing us to the question. 546 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 3: Now, yesterday we brought you the guy whose testicle exploded. 547 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 3: He got the rubber bullet in the grind and badly 548 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 3: bruised one testicle. I don't know if it's the right 549 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 3: or the left, and then the other one exploded and 550 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 3: they tried to stitch the pieces back together, and he 551 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 3: hasn't been able to stand up for ever since. So 552 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 3: the question is, Eric, I'll go to you rubber bullet. 553 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 3: You want it in the eye or in the testicle? Oh, 554 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 3: this is pretty easy for me. Definitely the eye. 555 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say too. Yeah, I would take it 556 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 2: in the eye too. Well, I have another eye, and also. 557 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 7: You have another testicle. 558 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, bruised. 559 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 3: Not sure if it works right, Yeah, So I'd much 560 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 3: rather lose my eyesight and play that sympathy card to 561 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 3: try and be able to use my testicle. In fact, 562 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 3: you'll end up you using your testicles a lot more. 563 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 3: If that's what I'm saying, end up losing your eye. 564 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 3: I mean, that is a great line to drop. Uh No, 565 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 3: I agree with him. It's a two nothing in favor 566 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 3: of keeping the testicle. The hell with the eye. I 567 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 3: don't have to see anything anymore anyway. I've seen enough. 568 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 3: And the way people look these days, most of them 569 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 3: look disgusting. 570 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 5: So they do. 571 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 2: Everybody's over fed. 572 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 6: It's just you are, ah, you are? 573 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I mean, well, there has to be a limit. 574 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 3: I'm not talking about it, you know, having an extra 575 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 3: ten or twenty pounds. I'm talking about being unsightly and 576 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 3: wearing either clothing that's too tight or too revealing. And 577 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 3: there's a lot of that, and it's men and women. 578 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 3: It's one thing if you've you've got a big, you know, 579 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 3: blob of fat hanging over your belt, but but cover 580 00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 3: it up. 581 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 2: You'll agree with me. I know you do. 582 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 7: I'm not saying a word. 583 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 3: When you see somebody who's got a huge load of 584 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 3: blubber hang it over. Yeah, you don't think silently to 585 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 3: yourself like geez, put on a shirt. 586 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 2: I'm taking the lady. Cover that up. Anyway. 587 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 3: This is less and less enjoyable things to look at 588 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 3: these days. Sorry, anyway, we're in agreement on that. See, 589 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 3: I think I figure most guys would say that, most 590 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 3: guys would choose a shot in the eye over a 591 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 3: shot in the testicle. I don't think a shot in 592 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 3: the testicle like that. I don't think that pain. 593 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 2: Ever goes away. 594 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 7: I don't think the eye pain would ever go away. 595 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 3: You don't have a testicle that is remarkably resilient pain 596 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 3: that is. 597 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 7: I have nothing to say to that. 598 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 2: It just a wow that we might have experiences you haven't. 599 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 7: I do allow for that. Love is all we need. 600 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 3: Though, when when we come back, I want to play 601 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 3: you well since since Padilla got thrown around by Christie 602 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 3: Noom's workforce. Oh, by the way, do you get the 603 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 3: bulletin on Christine Nomes? 604 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 7: What do you mean the bulletin? 605 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 2: Well, update on why she was rushed to the hospital. 606 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 7: Why, why was she a why? 607 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 2: Probable allergic reaction? 608 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 3: So I thought Padilla taking a shot at her, but 609 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 3: that that was that was a bad rumor, Uh, she's 610 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 3: allergic to something. When we come back, there is a 611 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 3: guy running for mayor in New York City named Brad 612 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 3: Lander and this guy decided to take on UH immigration 613 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 3: officers and try to cover for an illegal immigrant at 614 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 3: a courthouse. And he and all these people are so 615 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 3: pompous and self righteous. So this is the new stunt 616 00:33:54,880 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 3: is for politicians to UH somehow interfere with ice, and 617 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 3: Badilla went on the floor of the Senate and was 618 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:04,239 Speaker 3: crying about it. 619 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 2: Let's see what this guy did. 620 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 3: When we come back, Brad Lander cannedy for mayor in 621 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 3: New York Deborah Mark live in the CAFI twenty four 622 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 3: our newsroom. Hey, you've been listening to The John Cobalt 623 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 3: Show podcast. 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