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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distance podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Dirk Durham and tonight I've got Josh Boyd in

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Speaker 1: the house. Welcome to the show, Josh.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Dirk, it's good to be chatting with you again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys might remember Josh from episode seventy five.

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Speaker 1: That's where I referred to Josh as the Elk Master.

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Speaker 1: We've kind of dove pretty deep in on his bio

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Speaker 1: and his persona of being an elk hunting mountain man

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Speaker 1: type of machine. But tonight I want to have Josh

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Speaker 1: on here just to say, you know, he's not a

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Speaker 1: one trick pony, Josh. You know he likes to hunt

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Speaker 1: bears too, and you know he lives in the beautiful

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Speaker 1: state of Montana. And I just thought i'd kind of

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Speaker 1: Picki's brain a little bit about it. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: spring is in the air. Spring is kind of sprung

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Speaker 1: about everywhere in the West. I think, what's it. What's

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Speaker 1: it doing up where you're at?

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's definitely sprung. Things are getting really green. I

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Speaker 2: was just noticing today I was out at work and

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Speaker 2: the hillside, the lower hillsides are greening up. A lot

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Speaker 2: of flowers are popping a lot of green grass. The

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Speaker 2: snow linees moving up quite a bit, and yeah, spring

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Speaker 2: is here. As a matter of fact, yesterday, yesterday at work,

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Speaker 2: was the my final day of snow surveys. So that

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Speaker 2: always for me marks the beginning of spring bear season.

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Speaker 2: When I knock out the end of the end of

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Speaker 2: April snow surveys, it's like, all right, it's time to

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Speaker 2: start thinking about bears. Yeah, yeah, it's nice. We got

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Speaker 2: a lot of rain. Things are greening up today. It's

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Speaker 2: going to be like popping really really hardcore here in

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Speaker 2: the next couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you think you're ahead of schedule this year

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Speaker 1: springtime or you like normal, you think, oh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're way ahead. I'd say we're at least three

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Speaker 2: weeks ahead of our normal melt out. From what I've seen,

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Speaker 2: the snow pack numbers are showing that the snow line is,

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Speaker 2: you know, showing that at the elevation that you know

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Speaker 2: you look at up on the mountain side, I'm seeing snow.

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Speaker 2: I can look out my window and see the snow

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Speaker 2: seeing it right now. Is typically like probably the second

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Speaker 2: week of May would be more normal to where it

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Speaker 2: to what it is right now, you know, So we're

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Speaker 2: we're definitely a couple of weeks advanced snow melt, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I've been talking to people other places of the

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Speaker 1: Northwest and they had kind of the same same thought

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Speaker 1: that we're a little bit ahead of schedule. In fact,

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Speaker 1: Phelps and I were out in Kansas turkey hunting here

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Speaker 1: last week, and even back there, things are are more

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Speaker 1: Typically we go out there turkey hunting like May, middle

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Speaker 1: of May to late May, and you know, the green

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Speaker 1: In fact, we were finding turkey nests with eggs in

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Speaker 1: you know, there was there was like hens that would

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Speaker 1: times there's this early they're just hand up, you know,

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Speaker 1: more than you really want them to be. So it

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Speaker 1: seems like, you know, maybe maybe things are a little

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Speaker 1: bit ahead this year. So what's that mean for bear hunting.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, people get pretty excited about green grass

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Speaker 2: and bears for good reasons, and I'm one of those people.

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Speaker 2: But there comes to be a point. There's a point

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Speaker 2: if everything is really green, it can be pretty much everywhere, right.

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Speaker 2: But I would say, I don't know, I still focus

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Speaker 2: in an early spring. Oh yeah, but an early spring

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Speaker 2: But there's a point where they start to It seems

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Speaker 2: potentially earlier than they normally would.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah absolutely. Are you a

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Speaker 1: typically like an opening day guy or do you kind

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Speaker 1: like opening Bill, it's like, well, I'm gonna hunt them

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I kind of I wait until the

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Speaker 2: conditions are good in the areas I like to go hunt. Okay,

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Speaker 2: but that can be like on a year like this,

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Speaker 2: So I, being local, can I have the luxury of

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Speaker 2: prime time might be. But I typically on a normal

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Speaker 1: Okay, what is the opener in Montana? It's April fifteenth, fifteenth, Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's sam as Idaho. Yeah, and then what is it close?

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Speaker 2: Well, it used to vary. This is a little bit

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Speaker 2: longer answer. I could just say June fifteenth and that

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Speaker 2: It used to close May fifteenth, oh, which was really early.

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Speaker 2: just had better opportunities. And I don't know, it must

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Speaker 2: ten years ago. They bumped the season out to May

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Speaker 2: thirty first here, which was great. I mean it's perfect.

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Speaker 2: By that time. A lot of the avalanche shoots are

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Speaker 2: to June fifteenth. It's never been June fifteenth there, oh wow.

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Speaker 2: But I mean almost all the way across the state.

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Speaker 2: There's some units in Montana that are on a quota,

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Speaker 2: and so like certain number bears get killed or certain

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Speaker 2: But most of western Montana's on that April fifteenth, the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know when I was a kid, they

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Speaker 2: Yeah that I mean that area is it is a

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Speaker 2: There's ninety some inches of snow at some of those

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Speaker 1: Right Yeah. And that that's another you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: of times you can't get to those places and until July,

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Speaker 1: So it's yeah, it's it's it's disheartening because then at

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Speaker 1: You know, I love being in the mountains and looking

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Speaker 1: I sometimes can't get there until, you know, after the

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Speaker 1: fourth of July. It's like I burned up the whole

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Speaker 1: month of June and couldn't be up there. But you know,

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Speaker 1: So tell me, what what is it about bear hunting

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Speaker 1: that just you know? And you can get as philosophical

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Speaker 2: But you saw me scratch, didn't you.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I know what I like about it,

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Speaker 1: but I must I'm sure you probably like some of

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's uh, well, one, it's you know, springtime

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Speaker 2: is great. I like getting out and having an opportunity

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Speaker 2: go hunting, which is awesome. Anytime I could go, it's great.

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Speaker 2: But like spring bear hunting is just I find it

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Speaker 2: amazing because the the forests and the mountains are so different,

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Speaker 2: Like the songbirds are back and they're they're mating and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, you've got you got me hooked there. I

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Speaker 2: Definitely, Yeah, I am too. It's for elk at the

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Speaker 2: So I think, if if you can do anything where

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Speaker 2: In Montana, you have to wear Hunters orange regardless of

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Speaker 2: I'm not a huge fan of that, but that's why

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, I don't want to sound like a tinfoil

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Speaker 2: But I think things do happen, right, Yeah, I think

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Speaker 2: it's not a huge deal. My freezer's full of alk.

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Speaker 1: or something. You know, people are just bad people doing

430
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 1: bad things, right, But when you hear somebody talk about

431
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: it like like you you know, it's it's you know,

432
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 1: you're you'd like to kill one, but it doesn't. You

433
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 1: don't have to, And it's just the experience of being

434
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 1: out there and chasing them around a little bit and

435
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 1: getting close and observing, and you may or may you

436
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 1: may make the decision not to just because man, I

437
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 1: don't really feel like it doesn't it doesn't really if

438
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: I take this bear's life right now, it's not gonna

439
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: make me a happy day, right right? My cup is full?

440
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, well yeah last year was a good example

441
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 2: of that. I you know Steve Drake, yeah, photography. Yeah,

442
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 2: So he came up and we were we were doing

443
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 2: a hunt in Idaho and we were seeing some bears

444
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 2: and I ended up we saw this. It was a

445
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 2: nice chocolate bear on this hillside, and we ended up

446
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 2: working a way around and getting above him. His middle

447
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,679
Speaker 2: of the day and the wind was coming up, and

448
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 2: we just had my rifle. Like I mentioned earlier, and

449
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 2: I just kind of stalked down the hill a little

450
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 2: bit and got within one hundred yards or something, and like,

451
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 2: that's a that's a decent bear. I don't know, I might,

452
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 2: I might shoot him. He's really cool looking. Let's s

453
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 2: gal a little closer. So we go down the hill

454
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 2: a little bit further and I'm like, let's gal a

455
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 2: little closer. And the whole time Steven's is like, oh

456
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 2: this is He's just back behind me with his lens

457
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 2: of shooting. He's in stalking it. Yeah. I got with

458
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 2: in thirty five yards of him, and you know, I

459
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 2: had my shooting sticks up and I had looking at

460
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 2: him through my scope and I'm like, I just use

461
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 2: a knight. If I would have had my bow, I

462
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 2: probably would have tried to sneak a little closer and

463
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 2: then I would have shot him with my bow. But

464
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 2: I just it just didn't feel right shoot him with

465
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 2: my gun at thirty five yards, yeah, because it was

466
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 2: it took us probably you know, an hour to you know,

467
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:29,439
Speaker 2: bridge that gap. Yeah, and spent some time at it,

468
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,360
Speaker 2: and I don't know, we let him walk. He got

469
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,959
Speaker 2: some awesome images of the bear. Kind of eventually I

470
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 2: snapped a little bear grass stock and he kind of

471
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 2: looked up and got nervous and he walked away, but

472
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 2: then he circled above us kind of kind of came

473
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 2: in from the side to kind of see what was

474
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 2: going on. Oh yeah, Steven got some great, great photos

475
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 2: of him, but he got some great pictures of me

476
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 2: with kind of the back of my head and shoulder

477
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 2: kind of blurred out, and then the bears just right

478
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 2: there kind of head up looking around or head down feeding.

479
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 2: It's pretty cool.

480
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: That is cool.

481
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, that's stuff like that that I just

482
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 2: love to do.

483
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,360
Speaker 1: That. That's awesome. That's that's worth the price of admission

484
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: right there is just to get that close. And yeah,

485
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: I love it.

486
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 2: We're going to do it again this year with our bows.

487
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah cool. Yeah, I can't wait to see

488
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: the pictures.

489
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see how it turns out.

490
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 1: So are you a boot leather or you a glass guy?

491
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: Are you kind of a combo? Are you like you know?

492
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: Are you hiking a lot? Are you glassing a lot?

493
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: Are you like hiking a lot to get to us

494
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: your favorite glass and points? Are you glassing from the

495
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: truck and then making a big plan and diving off

496
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,479
Speaker 1: into huge canyons to get over to them. What it's

497
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: your Yeah, that's.

498
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 2: A good question. I'm both man. I like to hunt

499
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 2: big country, big open glass ofble country, and so I

500
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 2: like the cruise and glass, you know, ideal terrain and

501
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 2: habitat for bear rocky like early in the spring. I

502
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 2: like looking at like, you know, big rocky out out

503
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 2: crops with grassy edges and stuff, and a lot of

504
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 2: that occurs in these big canyons. So I'll, you know,

505
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 2: I'll hike into places and park my butt on the

506
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 2: opposite side and glass where I can see a lot

507
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 2: of it right and plant a stock that way. Avalanche

508
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 2: shoots are kind of the same way. I kind of

509
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 2: hunt them that I hunt them a similar fashion. But

510
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 2: I also like to hunt, and I've killed most of

511
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 2: my bigger bears hunting old not too old, but grassy

512
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 2: logging roads. Okay, So cruising logging roads, miles and miles

513
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 2: and miles of walking and or riding a mountain bike, sure,

514
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 2: looking for sign, looking for tracks, looking for piles of poop,

515
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 2: and hunt and just still hunting down those roads, just

516
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 2: creeping down down those roads right at dark, you know,

517
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 2: like within the last hour half a daylight. So yeah,

518
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 2: I do both. I put a lot of boot leather

519
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 2: on the ground, and I also, you know, use my

520
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 2: eyeballs a lot too. But I don't know, there's not

521
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 2: a lot of places I glass from the truck. It

522
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 2: seems like those places get glassed a lot. Okay, they're pretty,

523
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 2: they're few and far between here, and they're they're fairly

524
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 2: well known. A lot of non residents will see those

525
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 2: places and just key in on them. And a lot

526
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 2: of those places aren't really like quality habitat either. I

527
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 2: end up seeing a lot of thousand cubs and some

528
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 2: of that stuff that's very observable from main roads. And

529
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 2: I don't know why. Maybe it's just not maybe those

530
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 2: boards are too shy or something, or they just know

531
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 2: they're not safe there, or they just prefer not to

532
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 2: be there. I don't know, but yeah, anyway, so yeah,

533
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 2: I try. I'd wheel glass from the road occasionally, but

534
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 2: most of my better spots I hike in a wayste

535
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 2: before I have to, you know, sit down and start

536
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 2: picking apart the hillsides right on.

537
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: Do you how often do you biby bivy hunt for bears?

538
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: Do you do that? Going for two or three days

539
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: or is it more of a just kind of day

540
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: trip in it thing?

541
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I'll do both. I will. I like to

542
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 2: like set aside some time, take some time off of

543
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 2: work and do some longer backpack trips and yeah, it'll

544
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 2: all you know, I'll go out for like maybe four

545
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 2: or five days, four or five nights. I mean those

546
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 2: days are long. So that's a that's a fair bit

547
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 2: of hunting. Yeah, it seems like I can cover and

548
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 2: glass a lot of country and in the four or five,

549
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 2: four or five evenings of hunting. Sure, it's a fun.

550
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 2: It's a fun adventure. I love to do it. I

551
00:30:55,560 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 2: don't think it's necessary, right, but I I do like it.

552
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 2: And that's what Steven and I were doing last year.

553
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 2: There was this big long ridge line we were camped on.

554
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 2: We just kept moving our camp a little further, a

555
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 2: little further, a little further, and there's no real water

556
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 2: sources up there, but there's big snow drifts. Who could

557
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 2: get water, Like no creeks, but we could get water

558
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 2: off the melted snow and stuff. Okay, yeah it was

559
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 2: it was super fun. But yeah, I like that. I

560
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 2: like to do some backpack trips if possible. The weather's

561
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 2: usually pretty nice and the bugs really aren't too terribly

562
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 2: bad until maybe, you know, early June, and even then

563
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 2: they're not horrible.

564
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: So it's been up. It's like later June. I've been

565
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: in some back country and man, the little black flies

566
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: are terrible, Like you can't really open your mouth. And

567
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: maybe it was that particular area and specifically, but man,

568
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: it was tough or sometimes uh, same with mosquitoes. Mosquitoes,

569
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: you know, closer to the fourth of July. Then there's

570
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,959
Speaker 1: some places where I mean you couldn't hardly open your

571
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: mouth without breathing some and it was it was horrible.

572
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: I would rather fight grizzly bears than mosquitos, I.

573
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 2: Think, Yeah, there's just no right from them. Yes, there's

574
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: some places I go hiked in some of the local

575
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 2: mountains here in July and August. Oh, it is miserable.

576
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, the one, the one insect that you just

577
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 2: can't get away from when you're spring bear hunting is you,

578
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 2: you know, are the ticks.

579
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. Remember back when turkey hunting, when I was a

580
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: kid in Florida, my Florida cousins used this stuff called

581
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: muscall and it was and it came in a little

582
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: tiny bottle, little plastic bottle, and it says one deep,

583
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: and uh, I think they might have used that in Vietnam.

584
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 2: You know.

585
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: It was that that level of grade of goodness. And

586
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: if you got any on your hands and then got

587
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: it on your lips at all, your lips would go numb. Yeah,

588
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: so it must have been the good stuff. But you

589
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: can't buy one hundred percent deep anything anymore. I think

590
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: it's so bad for you. I think they're like, yeah,

591
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: we gotta pull that off the shelf.

592
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 2: You know. We went on a canoe trip in uh,

593
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 2: British Columbia in July, late July a couple of years back,

594
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 2: and there's a series of lakes where we're going through

595
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 2: this big circuit and we're talking Mosquito Bille and in

596
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 2: the little store there, they had some of that one

597
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 2: hundred percent deep and I think it was the MUCKs muskall.

598
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 2: I think it was like in an orange bottle.

599
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, works worked well. Keep away from your mouth and.

600
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 2: Nose, it'll melt plastic.

601
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, first thing I do, get it on my lips. Okay,

602
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: dang it, I can't feel my lips now. Ah, that's nasty. Uh, so,

603
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: can you guys bait bears or run bears with dogs?

604
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: In Montana?

605
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 2: Baiting has never been allowed, and hound hunting has been

606
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 2: allowed in certain areas just for the past two seasons.

607
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:11,439
Speaker 1: Now, right.

608
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 2: For for the longest time, it's never been allowed, and

609
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: now there's a few areas where it is allowed. There

610
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 2: was something passed by the Commission. I think it was

611
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 2: two years ago. It seems like I think some stuff

612
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 2: down there in the bitter Root country is open for

613
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 2: hound hunting, and then god, maybe more south central I

614
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 2: don't really, I don't know. I haven't looked that close

615
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 2: into the way the hounds are allowed, but they tried

616
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 2: to keep it out of most of the grizzly bear habitat,

617
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 2: which is most of western Montana right right, So, but

618
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 2: I think the bitter Roots, I know for a fact,

619
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 2: the bitter Roots being clear and some of that stuff

620
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 2: down by Superior. I think there's a little bit of

621
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 2: area down there they're allowed to use dogs. But baiting

622
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 2: has never been on the on the on the menu

623
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 2: around in Montana, and not even in Northern Idaho. I

624
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: don't think it's allowed.

625
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: Certain areas in Northern Idaho. So I think I think

626
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: in that grizzly bear habitat, it's definitely not allowed.

627
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, so like the Panhandle, so.

628
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 1: There's I think there's a line in the Panhandle where

629
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: you can but there's definitely a line where you can't

630
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: grizzly bear habitat. And yeah, there's been a couple of

631
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: times people have shot grizzlies over Bait and Idaho on

632
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: the border country there. You know, in the past, it

633
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: seems like accidentally, you know, it was like it was

634
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: like maybe with an outfitter, like the outfit or the

635
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: guide would drop the the hunter off at the stand

636
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: and then be like all right, I'll pick you up

637
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 1: a dark type of thing, and grizzly came in and

638
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: like oh shoot there's a bear. Bam. Well yeah that's

639
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: a grizzly bear.

640
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, not good. There's some paperwork in their future.

641
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, some testimonies and PaperWorks and photo sessions and

642
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: all sorts of stuff.

643
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,240
Speaker 2: I do not envy that well. Even here with spot

644
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 2: and stock hunting, it seems like there's always a bear

645
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 2: grizzly or two gets killed by just mistaken identity. Yeah,

646
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 2: just locally here last last spring there was one killed

647
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 2: collar bear, and I've got some information regarding that I'll

648
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 2: maybe tell you off the air. Yeah, I can't talk

649
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 2: about it.

650
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: Publicly right now, right right. Well, I know we've hunted

651
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: in Wyoming before, and there's a couple of times it's like,

652
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:57,760
Speaker 1: that's a big You'll see a big bear on hillside.

653
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: You're like, and the color, the color will look like

654
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: a grizzly bear. You're like, oh, there's a freaking grizzly

655
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: So you sit down and analyze and study. Okay, look

656
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 1: at his hump and like sometimes the way they stand

657
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: on a hill, like a black bear will get a

658
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: hump on their back, absolutely, just by the way they're

659
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: standing in their stance, and you've got to watch them

660
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: for a while. It's like, man, does he have a

661
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 1: dish on his face? You know, you're looking for all

662
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 1: the telltale signs in it, you know, four or five

663
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: hundred yards. It's it's kind of hard sometimes, especially if

664
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: you don't have a spotter, you know, if you're just

665
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 1: looking through maybe your rangefinder or some like eight powered

666
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: binoculars that are not real good. But eventually, you know,

667
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: if you watch them long enough, it's like, oh, yeah,

668
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: that's not a grizzly or whoah, that is a grizzly

669
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: You the tell tales.

670
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 2: Are there, but yes, yeah, and I've you know, I

671
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 2: was talking about this a couple of weekends ago about

672
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 2: just you know, just sizing black bears and and identifying

673
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 2: you know, a good bear. The difference between a big

674
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 2: male black bear and their shape or they're very similar

675
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 2: to to a grizzly bear body profile as far as

676
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 2: like they do have a hump, a smaller hump, but

677
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 2: they will have a humped shoulder and their their rear end,

678
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 2: their rump is really rounded. And they come in all shades,

679
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 2: and so do grizzly bears too. They come they can

680
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 2: be pretty dark faced too. I've watched several black bears

681
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 2: at you know, close range, within a couple hundred yards.

682
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 2: There was one I was I had to look at

683
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 2: him for a long time before I could tell it

684
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 2: was a black bear. Wow, big great, big chocolate male,

685
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 2: just huge hump on his shoulder, and I he was

686
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 2: just in and out of all this kind of this

687
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,720
Speaker 2: region lodgepole, and I just could not get a really

688
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 2: definitive look. And then finally even at an ear tag,

689
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 2: that's what I saw an ear tag. Oh, but it

690
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 2: ended up being a black bear and I shot him.

691
00:38:53,560 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 2: Perfect bear. That bear was fourteen. Oh yeah, they had

692
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 2: they had captured him in a grizzly bear foot snare

693
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 2: and they'd collared him and he was nine and then

694
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 2: I killed him a few years later. So it's pretty

695
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 2: cool to the local grizzly biologist. Is he was all

696
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 2: excited to get the ear tag. Hold on, let me

697
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 2: run in my office and look up his number, and

698
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 2: I'll let you know exactly where he caught him and

699
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 2: how old he was because they pull already pulled the

700
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 2: tooth out him. He had a tattoo on his lip.

701
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: Oh he was.

702
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 2: He was like a gangster, you know. He looked pretty tough. Yeah,

703
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 2: I'll tat it up, and had packing some some ear jewelry.

704
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 2: But yeah, it was a cool bear, a really neat bear,

705
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 2: big chocolate. But yeah, he looked a lot like a

706
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 2: like he had some aspects of a grizzly bear. Yeah,

707
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 2: but he had a very distinct black bear face, no

708
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 2: grounded let's dig you know that. That's what really gave

709
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:56,439
Speaker 2: it away.

710
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: Okay, how far away from from the kill site was

711
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 1: he tagged.

712
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 2: With the Oh uh not far. I would say within

713
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 2: maybe two air miles. Max.

714
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: Oh really Woweh, that's that's crazy crazy. Yeah. You hear

715
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: stories about you know, collared bears or or ear tag bears.

716
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: You know they tag in one place and they'll turn

717
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: up in a complete different mountain ranger whatever. You say. Yeah, wow,

718
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: that thing had some wheels on him.

719
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:36,720
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Yeah. I've had some friends kill Yeah, buddy

720
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 2: of mine killed a bear that was tagged like twenty

721
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 2: seven miles away. But that we don't know if that

722
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 2: thing got moved by itself or in a covert trap,

723
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 2: right right.

724
00:40:48,840 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: There's always that too. Yeah, So is there a particular

725
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: food that bears like that you're trying to find in

726
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: like because you didn't mention some forbs and flowers or

727
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: is it just kind of the general the stuff that's

728
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 1: kind of growing up right after the snow leaves there.

729
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 2: I think there are definitely forbs and grasses that they

730
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 2: key in on. So, I what I've noticed around here,

731
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 2: they really love orchard grass. Okay, so it's especially when

732
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 2: it's short. You know, orchard grass will eventually get tall,

733
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 2: sprout out, and you know it's not very palatable at

734
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 2: that point. There's a lot of fiber and not very

735
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:47,439
Speaker 2: many nutrients. But you know within that, you know, six

736
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 2: inches tall and just comes up in these little clumps.

737
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 2: But it has like a kind of a bright green

738
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 2: bladed you know, piece of grass or ahead of grass

739
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 2: that comes up. They love that stuff. Okay, not to

740
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 2: be confused with fescue, because they'll grow, they'll grow right

741
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 2: next to one another, and they look kind of similar

742
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 2: at a distance. So you're glassing across the hillside and

743
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 2: you'll see like, oh, it's green is Ireland over there?

744
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 2: And you go over there and it's all this rescue

745
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 2: with a little bit of orchard grass mixed in. If

746
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 2: you watch bears over on that hillside eating, at some point,

747
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 2: you'll see their keying in on the actual orchard grass

748
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 2: that rescue. They just don't eat.

749
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: They don't like it.

750
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 2: Deer and elk love it. But you know what I'm

751
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 2: talking about, Scott, it's more wiry blades, but it still

752
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 2: grows in those small little clumps yep, and it's a

753
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 2: little darker green I think.

754
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: Mmm.

755
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, if you can find orchard grass, definitely bears

756
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 2: will be munching on it. If you're like walking logging

757
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:01,399
Speaker 2: roads or hunting and cold clearcut skid trails, log deck

758
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 2: landing areas. Sometimes you'll find those have been seeded with clover,

759
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:13,280
Speaker 2: and black bears love that clover. The Forest Service doesn't

760
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 2: use clover much anymore. They're they're going to more of

761
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 2: a native seed mix. But some private timber company industrial

762
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 2: timber ground sometimes they'll use clover just to see their

763
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 2: roads and skined trails for erosion control. So you might

764
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 2: find that out there. If you can find clover, that's

765
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 2: like crack. The bears they just love it. Yeah. Flowers,

766
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:43,919
Speaker 2: they I've seen them eating the fresh flower heads off

767
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 2: of the aarrowleaf, balsam root. They'll just walk all of

768
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 2: seen isers. I have video of this great big board

769
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 2: just walking from plant to plant, just you just eat

770
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 2: the yellow heads. Oh man, just moving along. And I

771
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 2: think that you know, those things are so high and

772
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 2: nutrients that they just it's preferred. Oh, glacier lilies, they'll

773
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,240
Speaker 2: eat the heads off the glacier lilies. A little yellow

774
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 2: like shooting star looking plants that come up right after

775
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 2: the snow kind of leaves. You have a big snow

776
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 2: drift on a hillside, you'll see those things popping up

777
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 2: right right behind it. Yeah, I see them eat this

778
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 2: plant called biscuit root. It's this really weird, wispy, tiny

779
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 2: little yellow flowers that kind of come up and like

780
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 2: these little fluorescents almost like like a picture of firework

781
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 2: blowing up, and each little trailer would be like a

782
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 2: little tiny flower. I've seen him eat that that stuff.

783
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, and I think it's kind of

784
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 2: you know, localized. You know, certain areas grow certain forage,

785
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 2: and so I recommend people just if they do sea bears,

786
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 2: you know, raising on a hillside, just really pay attention

787
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 2: to what they're eating. Or if you're out hiking around

788
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 2: walking through bear habitat and you see bear sign tracks,

789
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 2: and you just pay attention what's been bitten, what's been eaten,

790
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 2: Like you'll see that orchard grass and nibbled down to

791
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 2: like just down to the basel area.

792
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: M that's cool. The area I grew up hunting a lot.

793
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: It's a little lower elevation in more canyon country, like

794
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,959
Speaker 1: lower canyons, and there was a lot of like wild

795
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: onions and stuff like that. Oh yeah in that area,

796
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 1: and they liked those things. I mean, you could go

797
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: walk over there and just pick one out you know,

798
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 1: wiggle it a little bit and you could pick out

799
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: this little weird onion looking thing off the hillside. So

800
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: they like that and a lot of other things. And

801
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: then later in this you know, like early early summer

802
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: that that June time, May June, there were these old

803
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: orchards everywhere from back in the homestead of days. You know,

804
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: everybody had a little orchard at their at their home instead,

805
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: you know, and they had cherries or apples or what

806
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 1: at plums, all those kind of things. And over the years,

807
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,720
Speaker 1: you know, since then, bears have got into those orchards

808
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: and and eaten all the different fruits and then magically

809
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: planted the seeds all over the landscape. So you see,

810
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: you know, cherry trees and apple trees and pear trees

811
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: and plum trees all over this canyon country. Like, hey,

812
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: there's apples or there's there's cherries. And the right time

813
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: of year, man, those those bears just wreck havoc on

814
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 1: those trees.

815
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we we kind of have that here

816
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 2: as well, but they're I don't know, some of our

817
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 2: little orchards are like in people's backyards, sure, and I

818
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 2: definitely see them coming down in the fall and hitting

819
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 2: that stuff, especially if our huckleberries have failed, you know,

820
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 2: in summer. M hm. So yeah, like it seems like

821
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 2: our huckleberries start coming on, like it's usually right around

822
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 2: the first part of July in certain areas, and then

823
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 2: where those huckleberries are coming on, the bears are on

824
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 2: them from from then un till they're off the plant,

825
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 2: you know. Sometimes that's into late September.

826
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I've seen Yeah, I've seen bears in its

827
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 1: late September a lot. When I'm bow hunting, you'll see

828
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: black bears eating huckleberries. I seen this monster one. I

829
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,720
Speaker 1: drove right by him. We were driving from one spot

830
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 1: to another. Looked over the hill and there's this giant

831
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: black bear sitting on his butt and he's like sitting there,

832
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,439
Speaker 1: scooping the brush into his mouth, eating the berries off.

833
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's the biggest bear I've ever seen.

834
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: And things looked huge. So we kept driving and kind

835
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 1: of snuck back like I didn't have a gun, you know,

836
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 1: and it was really really open country and like, I'm

837
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: never gonna get close enough to this thing. And I

838
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 1: got to about one hundred yards from him, and like

839
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: you said, he heard, he heard a twig snap, and

840
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: he looked up and then it was just gone. I

841
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 1: don't know why the vehicle driving by I didn't bother him.

842
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,959
Speaker 1: It was a pretty traveled road. A lot of people

843
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: drove on that road, and he was kind of in

844
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: the shadows a little bit of some of some trees,

845
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: and I think he just thought it's just some huckleberry

846
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: pickers or you know, tourists driving around. So as soon

847
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: as things got quiet and he heard me snap that twig,

848
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: it's like game over.

849
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was something he didn't want to hear next

850
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 2: to him.

851
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So what kind of if you recommend a

852
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: rifle caliber for hunting bears? Would you say? You know,

853
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: I know, I know, the greatest rifle hunting rifle of

854
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: all time is a six to five tread More. Is

855
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 1: that too much? Is that too much? I mean it's

856
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 1: all over the internet. It depends on which camp you

857
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: listen to. There's the one that's the greatest and the

858
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 1: ones that says it's the worst. But what what should

859
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: a guy look for in a good bear hunting rifle?

860
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: What kind of what would you recommend?

861
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,439
Speaker 2: Man? That's a good question. I mean a six five

862
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 2: creed More will work on bears, no problem, you know,

863
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 2: just you know, have the right constructed bullet, put it

864
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 2: in the right spot. Everything's hunky dory. I know people

865
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 2: use stuff that's even smaller. There's a growing trend in

866
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 2: certain circles to use smaller and smaller calibers, right, I

867
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 2: like personally, I like big bullets. I mean, I own

868
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 2: rifles from six five PRC to a three seventy five Ruger, right,

869
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 2: and I love them all. Three thirty eight win Meg

870
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 2: is amazing. I have a three hundred Ultra mag that

871
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 2: I absolutely love. I have a twenty eight Nozler. It

872
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 2: just shumps lights out, thirty six, two seventy. Some of

873
00:49:55,640 --> 00:50:00,919
Speaker 2: the old classics work great, But I would just say

874
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 2: make sure you have a well constructed bullet that can

875
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 2: break bones, because you might need to know bust through

876
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:13,959
Speaker 2: a shoulder. Bears have weird angles. They don't look they're

877
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 2: not like, they're kind of more roundy than a flat

878
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 2: sided deer or an elk. Right that people, And so

879
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 2: it's hard to like pick a spot on a bear

880
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 2: and know exactly what you're aiming at. So you might

881
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 2: hit off, you might not hit exactly where you think

882
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 2: you need to hit, and it might be in the

883
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 2: front shoulder. You might have to penetrate through a fair

884
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 2: bit of hair and maybe a little bit of fat

885
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 2: and some jiggly meat to penetrate the vitals. But bears

886
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 2: aren't overly big. It's not like shooting a moose. So yeah,

887
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 2: I would say, just any cartridge that will work on

888
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 2: that you would be willing to take on a mule

889
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,359
Speaker 2: deer hunt will work for a black bear.

890
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 1: Sure. Yeah, that's good advice. I think. Now as far

891
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 1: as shot placement, you know some people they may not

892
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: know where even where to shoot a bear, you know,

893
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,720
Speaker 1: right behind the front shoulder, they say, But bear vitals

894
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 1: are a little different than a deer elk.

895
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 2: Yes, yes they are. They they're yeah, they're tricky. If

896
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 2: you're used to shooting into the armpit or the pocket

897
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 2: o a deer or elk, you're probably going to be

898
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 2: too low and too far forward on an air so

899
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,240
Speaker 2: you want to back that up and go a little higher.

900
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 2: So I've heard people say shoot for the middle of

901
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 2: the middle. I would say, just shoot forward of the middle. Yes,

902
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,720
Speaker 2: so maybe not quite right in the middle of his body,

903
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 2: you know, front to back, but maybe just a little

904
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 2: forward of that middle line and then you know halfway

905
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 2: up from from chest to back. If you're right in

906
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 2: the middle there, you're good. So yeah, yeah, the vitals

907
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 2: sit back a little bit more than people think, or

908
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 2: they're shoulders move forward more right over there, you know,

909
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 2: up in front of their their chest cavity.

910
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: Further towards like the the brisket bone or whatever they're

911
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: the thorascic or opening. Maybe.

912
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, that's a good question because that's that is tricky.

913
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 2: Their anatomy is different than if didn't white tailed deer, mule, deer, elk,

914
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 2: you know, stuff that people are used to shooting and

915
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:28,800
Speaker 2: butchering and breaking apart.

916
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:33,839
Speaker 1: So yeah, so let's say you got your bear down.

917
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 1: What are you doing with all the meat and the

918
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: meat are you are you taking the fat? Are you

919
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 1: taking the bones? Are you taking the meat? What are

920
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 1: you doing with it? So the hide?

921
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 2: Yes, so there's certain you know, states have certain requirements

922
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 2: so that you got to check in. So in Montana

923
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 2: it varies by the region, but you know, you need

924
00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 2: to report your kill and some places, some areas you

925
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:05,280
Speaker 2: have to bring the hide in, the hide and skull

926
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 2: in to get checked. Some places you don't it's a

927
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:11,760
Speaker 2: self check in. But regardless, I take the head the hide,

928
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 2: and I take all the meat, and if it has fat,

929
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 2: I will take the fat. So you know that the

930
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 2: hides I typically I don't have. I do have a

931
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 2: bear rug. I take that back. I the first bear

932
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 2: I ever killed. I got a bear rug ridiculously expensive,

933
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,439
Speaker 2: and it's up in my attic that I never look

934
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 2: at what. To me, it was like why did I

935
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 2: do that?

936
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: But they take a lot of real estate really.

937
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 2: Oh and this bear was massive. It was my first

938
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 2: bear ever and it was my biggest bear still to

939
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 2: the Oh, that's huge. So yeah, you have to have

940
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,879
Speaker 2: a big wall to put that thing on it. But

941
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 2: but the other the other hides that I take, I'll

942
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 2: usually just get them tanned and hang them, hang them

943
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 2: up in a display or something. It's kind of neat

944
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 2: to have, just like some bear hides hanging if you're

945
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 2: into that thing or that sort of thing. But the meat,

946
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 2: we eat it almost I'm almost all of it. I mean,

947
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:20,280
Speaker 2: it's it's great stuff. I don't like cut bear steaks

948
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 2: out of it, but right, well, sometimes we'll I'll cut

949
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,280
Speaker 2: some roasts and then I'll slow cook them and shred

950
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 2: them and eat it more like a pulled pork or

951
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 2: slow cook it on a shred on a trigger, and

952
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 2: so it's you know, like you're doing a like a

953
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 2: pork shoulder or something. Yeah, we'll cube it up, throw

954
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 2: it in and make chili out of it, or a

955
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:49,240
Speaker 2: stew or like a pot pie, which is really good.

956
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:50,760
Speaker 1: That sounds.

957
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is good, and a lot of it. I'll

958
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 2: just grind, just have a spice mix that I use

959
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 2: and grind it into breakfast sausage and it makes and

960
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 2: I'll add some bacon ends to that as well. Yeah,

961
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 2: it is really good. I bet it's my daughter's favorite

962
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:17,320
Speaker 2: breakfast meat by far. She likes bacon, but she loves

963
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 2: spare of sausage.

964
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, the same same recipe with my Mountain Lion grind

965
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 1: stuff is made breakfast sausage with the spices in the

966
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: and the bacon INDs, and my hands down the best

967
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: best thing I've ever had, you know, as far as

968
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 1: sausage goes. It was amazing.

969
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really good. And then the fat, like if

970
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 2: it's a fat bear, fall bears are typically better for this,

971
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 2: but spring bears can be as well. I'll render the

972
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 2: fat which is very simple process. You know. I thought

973
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 2: it would take more effort, more work than what it

974
00:55:55,080 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 2: actually actually does. But basically, just chop cube it up,

975
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 2: put it in a crockpot on low or several crock pots,

976
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 2: and then just strain the liquids out and and and

977
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 2: put them in a jar. And it kind of comes

978
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 2: out like this clear, kind of golden liquid. But then

979
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 2: it solidifies into this nice white, creamy like shortening mhm.

980
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 2: And we just store it in these mason jars and

981
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 2: our freezer and just pull that stuff out whenever we

982
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 2: need anything that requires shortening, or you want to short

983
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 2: fry something like eggs or seer if you have a

984
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 2: nice elkcrow so you you know, you slow cooked on

985
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 2: the on the grill and you want to like reverse

986
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 2: syr it, I'll see it and bear fat, oh wow,

987
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 2: or rub a little on your baked potato before you

988
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 2: bake them. It just gets those the the skin's nice

989
00:56:53,400 --> 00:57:00,080
Speaker 2: and crispy. But my wife makes uh like biscuits with it.

990
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 2: It though, like pastries. Pie crust makes an amazing pie crust.

991
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 2: It's phenomenal. I was very skeptical of it at first.

992
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 2: She made a pie crust and I'm a convert.

993
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:19,959
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, My my uncle he always used to swear

994
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: by that he used it for everything. You know, he's

995
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: any and he said the same exact thing. He's like,

996
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 1: if you want really good pie crest, you make it

997
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: with bear bear grease. But he would like he put

998
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: it on his boots, he would put it in and

999
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: he was for stuff to bake with. He would cook

1000
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: with it, like he used that stuff. Yeah. Yeah, so

1001
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: and that's kind of a lost art sometimes. But I

1002
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 1: think I think, you know, you know, like Clay Newcom,

1003
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: you know, he's got a really big large audience in

1004
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: his podcast and he talks about all the cool stuff

1005
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: you can do with bear grease, well bear Grease podcast.

1006
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 1: But but I think there's people are starting to understand,

1007
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 1: you know, you know, bears are very edible, and they're

1008
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 1: very desirable to hunt, to hunt to eat. They're just

1009
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: not I feel like at some point bears might have

1010
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: got a bad rap, you know, stupid bears not fit

1011
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: to eat. Like I've heard people say that, like I

1012
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 1: would never eat a greasy old bear. I'm like, really,

1013
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: the bear meat I've had amazing.

1014
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 2: Well, I think it comes down to what they've been eating. Oh,

1015
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 2: so I think if it's been if it's been eating

1016
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 2: salmon out of the Alaskan salmon stream for three months,

1017
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 2: I bet it's gonna taste like fish.

1018
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably not gonna be good.

1019
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could probably not gonna want to eat that.

1020
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 2: But if it's been eating huckleberries for three months, I'll

1021
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 2: tell you what. When I cut up a fall bear,

1022
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 2: it smells like fruit. I mean the meat literally smells

1023
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 2: like fruit. It is amazing.

1024
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow, Well, huckleberries are very overpowering scent and flavor

1025
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: profile as well. Like if you have huckleberries and if

1026
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: even if you like double ziplock bag them in the freezer,

1027
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: you you crack your freezer open. A few weeks later,

1028
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: it's like, dang, I smell huckleberries in the freezer, Like

1029
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: they're like potent.

1030
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 2: Yeah they are.

1031
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 1: So that's no surprise that a bear, a bear's meat

1032
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: and fat with smell.

1033
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. And it's it's it's it smells really good

1034
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 2: and it tastes good too. I haven't I've never had

1035
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 2: a bad one. I did kill a bear. So they

1036
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 2: used to. Montana used to like offer these trick andella

1037
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 2: test kits and you would like cut off you cut

1038
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 2: out a chunk of the tongue and put it and

1039
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 2: they had like a little ziplock with some salt, and

1040
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 2: you throw it in the bag and seal it up

1041
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 2: and send it off to the lab and you get

1042
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 2: your test results back. Well, I found out that most bears,

1043
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 2: most bears in Montana have it just the degree that

1044
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 2: what they have it, like the the density of the

1045
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 2: cysts in them. This one particular bear, it was a

1046
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:04,439
Speaker 2: pretty old male. I had sent the test off and

1047
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 2: I got a phone call. It was like a Sunday afternoon,

1048
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 2: I remember as a spring, warm spring day. I happened

1049
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 2: to be in the house getting a drink of water

1050
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 2: or something, and the phone rings and it's the guy

1051
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 2: from the lab in Billings. He's like, Hey, I'm just

1052
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 2: calling you about your bear. He's like, yeah, what do

1053
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 2: you what's going on? He's like, yeah, have you have

1054
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 2: you done anything in that thing yet? Like, Nope, haven't.

1055
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 2: I'm just kind of it's in my freezer. I've been

1056
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 2: waiting to get the results. He's like, Oh, don't don't

1057
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 2: eat that bear. That thing has one hundred and twenty

1058
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 2: eight larva per milligram of it in its tissue. Oh wow,

1059
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 2: a milligram of tissue is tiny. And he was counting.

1060
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 2: He counted up to one hundred and twenty eight per

1061
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 2: per milligram. He's like, go ahead and throw that bear away.

1062
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:57,959
Speaker 2: You've got our permission to not utilize the meat.

1063
01:00:59,200 --> 01:00:59,439
Speaker 1: Wow.

1064
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 2: That could good to know.

1065
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is good to know.

1066
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 2: So there is that that aspect of it could be

1067
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 2: off putting to some people.

1068
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 1: Right, so that's why you got to cook it well done? Right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Right, you just cook it. Yeah, one hundred and

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Speaker 2: sixty degrees that's what they recommend.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 2: I did see a chart one time. Depending upon it

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01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 2: was the temperature and time, So if it was a

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01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 2: lower temperature, it had to be a longer time. I

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01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 2: don't know how valid that is. I don't even know

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01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:32,919
Speaker 2: where it came from. It could be just some guy

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01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 2: on Pinterest made it up. I don't know, but I yeah,

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01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 2: one sixty I think I've heard that is you know,

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01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 2: to be safe. Okay, but if you're making breakfast sausage,

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01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 2: you're going to cook it well done. And if you're

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01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 2: making a pot pie. So everything that I make with

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01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 2: bear meat, I make sure it's a dish that can

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01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 2: be cooked well done. Yeah, and not you know, be ruined.

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01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 1: Yep. I. We like to take take it and just

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01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 1: kind of cut up in a little chunks, you know,

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01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 1: they're about an inch and a half two inches in

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01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 1: you know, almost like kind of nuggets, and then put

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01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 1: him in a in an insta pot, right, put a

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01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 1: bunch of seasoning on that, put in the insta pot,

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01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 1: and so that'll cook it really fast. It'll like shorten

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01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:21,479
Speaker 1: the time instead of like sitting there for a few

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01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 1: hours in a crock pot. Then it shortens that time

1093
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 1: and it breaks it, the meat down, it cooks, it

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01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 1: kills everything in it. But then we make like a

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01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 1: strogan off out of it, so you can put it

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01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 1: over either noodles or rice, and it's it's amazing. My

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01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 1: son in law, who's was raised non hunting in a

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01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 1: non hunting family, never had wild meat before until he

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01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 1: became part of our family, and he's had deer, elk

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01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 1: and everything. But when he had that bear strogan off,

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01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 1: he's like, oh my god, this is like the best

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01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 1: thing I've ever eaten in my life.

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01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 2: Is so nice. That's awesome.

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01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 1: Should try that your recipes there here later on after

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01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 1: you kill your big spring bear or not. Yeah, I

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01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 1: mean not. You may decide not to shoot a big

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01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:09,439
Speaker 1: screen spring bear.

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01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 2: Just that's true. Yeah, I might. I think I think

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01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 2: it's time. Actually, it is time. I'm out of Bear

1110
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 2: breakfast sausage. Oh so yeah, yeah, it's time time. Yeah.

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01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 2: Another thing I really want to try and i've I've

1112
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 2: never done it is can some of it? Oh yeah,

1113
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 2: I've heard. I've heard people canning it, like Cody Rich

1114
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 2: I think, is talking about cannon bear and uh, I'm

1115
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 2: kind of curious. Sounds good.

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01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, elk meat. I'll can elk meat like I'll

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01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 1: take the neck meat, you know, which is always kind

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01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 1: of tough and get weird, and especially on a big bowl.

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01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 1: Then I found though that the smaller the pieces you

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Speaker 1: cut it, the better it's going to turn out. So

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01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 1: like that one and a half one and a half

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01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 1: two inch you know, nuggets or whatever is optimal. If

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01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 1: you put bigger you know, about the size of smaller

1124
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 1: than a golf ball, let's say, if it's any bigger

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01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 1: than a golf ball, then it doesn't break it down

1126
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 1: as good, especially on that really tough cuts. But man,

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01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 1: you stuff, you stuff a mason jar completely full, like

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01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 1: as much meat as you can but leave enough room

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01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 1: at the top. And I just simply I take like

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01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 1: a spoonful of Montreal steak seasoning, dump in there, screw

1131
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 1: the lid on, and then you then you can it

1132
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 1: and when you take it out, it's like the best

1133
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 1: beef pot roast you've ever had in your life. It's amazing.

1134
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 1: So I can I can imagine like bear would be

1135
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 1: the same thing, and probably probably but better.

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01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, bears a pretty rich meat. Yeah, yeah, I could

1137
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 2: see how it would be really good canned.

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01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah, I'll try the shot. Yeah. Well, uh,

1139
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 1: we've hit over an hour here talking about bear hunting.

1140
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 1: I think probably get two or three hours really easy.

1141
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 1: But do you have any closing thoughts on on bear

1142
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 1: hunting to leave our listeners with?

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01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 2: Hm? Yeah, I guess I would just say bear hunting

1144
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 2: is real hunting. I mean, there's a lot of people

1145
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 2: that poo poo it, and yeah, just just go try it.

1146
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 2: It's fun for a variety of reasons. I think it's

1147
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 2: super rewarding. So if people are thinking about it, Kimen

1148
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 2: and Han, they're on the fence, just try it out

1149
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 2: sometime and yeah, and just see see how it fits you.

1150
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 2: And it might not fit you, but you might just

1151
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 2: become smitten with it and just want to do it.

1152
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 2: Every spring when the flowers start blooming and the green

1153
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 2: hillside start arriving, birds start singing. God, it's a great

1154
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 2: time to be out in the mountains. So yeah, I

1155
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:48,439
Speaker 2: just say give it a shot if you're if you're

1156
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 2: a little bit curious about it.

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01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I agree with that one hundred percent. I

1158
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 1: don't know how many times I've been out in the spring,

1159
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 1: whether it's bear hunting, turkey hunting, whatever, horn hunting, morrell

1160
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 1: mushroom hunting. You just like you'll be there'll be a

1161
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 1: very moment in time where you're like sitting on a

1162
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 1: warm hillside and the temperature is just perfect and you

1163
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 1: hear the birds chirping and everything. It's like, man, what

1164
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 1: a time to be alive. This is awesome. And usually

1165
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:19,200
Speaker 1: those are the trips. May I may or may not

1166
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 1: even see a bear, turkey, mushroom or whatever I'm after,

1167
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 1: but it's just so fun to be on the springtime.

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Speaker 1: It's my second favorite season. September is my favorite season,

1169
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 1: of course, but the springtime is a close, very close second.

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Speaker 2: I'm with you one hundred percent. Yeah, September and then

1171
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 2: like May. Just the smells too. Man, the green leaves

1172
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 2: coming on, It's amazing. I love it.

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01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, the flower give the.

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01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 2: Elk bugled and we had a season in May that

1175
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:48,920
Speaker 2: would probably might be my favorite.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, definitely. Well, thanks so much for coming

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01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 1: on again. Josh, anybody want to look you up on Instagram?

1178
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 1: What's your handle on there?

1179
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 2: It is Josh Underscore BOYD Underscore mt as in Montana, okay,

1180
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 2: and pretty easy to find. I think if you just

1181
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 2: did a little search for Josh Boyd, it should pop up.

1182
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 1: And Josh uses Instagram like Instagram was made to be

1183
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 1: used right like when we back when we first started

1184
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 1: using Instagram, pretty pictures, I could cool little quote or

1185
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 1: something and like those kind of things. It's not all

1186
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 1: these razzle dazzle reels that you see now.

1187
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I try.

1188
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:37,919
Speaker 1: I do appreciate you know, your content on there, because

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01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 1: it's it's still it's still really good.

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01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 2: I try to steer clear of reels as much as possible.

1191
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 2: I just I'm not into it. But that's not the

1192
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:49,919
Speaker 2: reason I joined Instagram. But yeah, or you, I guess

1193
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 2: people can find me on Rockslide too. You can hit

1194
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 2: me up there on that website rockslide dot com are

1195
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 2: Okay Slide, and I'm a staff writer over there. I

1196
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:01,080
Speaker 2: do reviews and stuff. You can find me over there

1197
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:03,520
Speaker 2: and use your names just Josh Boyd there as well.

1198
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 2: So yeah, easy to easy to track down in those

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Speaker 2: two spots. And that's about it.

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01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 1: Sure, And uh, if you guys like reading, you know,

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01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 1: articles and stuff, definitely give Josh's articles a read. I

1202
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:18,439
Speaker 1: said it before another podcast, but Josh has a great,

1203
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 1: very good writing voice, and it makes for a good

1204
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 1: a good read. I always enjoyed your articles back when

1205
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:28,000
Speaker 1: you used to write for Extreme Milk magazine for US.

1206
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks man, I appreciate that.

1207
01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:32,640
Speaker 1: I always looked forward to your next articles, like, oh,

1208
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:34,400
Speaker 1: what's it going to be this time? It is so good?

1209
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 1: So anyway, I won't I won't keep you anymore tonight,

1210
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:41,560
Speaker 1: and I appreciate your time. So we'll see everybody the

1211
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 1: next time.

1212
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 2: All right, sounds good? Thanks JR.

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Speaker 1: M H. And then