WEBVTT - Need A 4th?! Ep. 10 with Christina Kim 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:09.320 M golf. Is that they anything in golf that doesn't 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:11.920 change the anything that changes the best in playing. Is 0:00:11.960 --> 0:00:13.960 this man a one time winner on the PGA Tour. 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:20.160 The point Alan is he didn't go Hollywood. You need 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:23.200 a fourth. So I think we can all agree that 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:26.599 Echo golf shoes changed the game. When Fred Couples rolled 0:00:26.680 --> 0:00:29.720 up wearing them without socks, it spoke to their comfort 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:32.479 and just sort of that that effortless cool. But you 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:34.519 have an Arnold Palmer story I want to hear right. 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:36.199 Let let's see. Have I ever told you about my 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:38.640 last visit with Arnold? I saw Arnold. I would like 0:00:38.680 --> 0:00:40.919 to thank no reporters or Arnold more than I did 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:43.239 when he was in his eighties. My last visit with 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:45.880 him was in Latrobe, and I drove there wearing these 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:48.800 pathetic birken stocks when I got always, I'll just wear 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:50.720 my shoes when I get there. But when I got there, 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:53.559 all I had was my Echo golf shoes. And Arnold's 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:56.000 really formal, and I'm going into his office with my 0:00:56.160 --> 0:00:58.840 cleaned up Echo golf shoes and armost like checking me out, 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:00.680 and he's nodding, and I said, what you're looking at 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:02.720 my socks and these arms like, no, I'm looking at 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:05.119 your shoes. And then Arnold talked about all the different 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:08.760 shoes he wore, and no question, Arnold Doug the Echo shoe. 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:11.360 I love the Echo Show. I know you do too. Uh, 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:16.720 it's a great shoe sales resistant. If it's good enough 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:19.039 for Arnold Palmerton Fred Couples, it's good enough for the 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:21.720 rest of you. So go to Echo dot com and 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:23.760 um you can find one that fits that you like 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:26.760 that people will stare at, like Arnie. So back to 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:29.920 Need a Fourth. Hello, this is Alan Schipknuck back for 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:34.400 another Need a Fourth podcast, as always, joined by Michael 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:37.959 Bamberger in Philadelphia. This time Jeff Ogilvie is in the 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:42.119 fire Pit Offices in Oceanside, California. Boys, it's it's nice 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:43.640 to get the gang back together here. It's been a 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:47.720 little while. It was a good time. Yeah, it's good 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:52.280 to be here. I love it. Um, so we have 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:55.480 we have a really fun guest tonight. UM. I can 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:58.960 tell you that she is from the great state of California. 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:02.720 At this exact moment, she's about three miles away from me. 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:06.480 But um, that's unusual circumstances. She's here in Pebble Beach 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:11.320 playing a tournament. Um she's three and oh all time 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:16.000 in Solheim Cup singles. She shot sixty one in her 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:19.520 first ever LPGA event way back when, like turn of 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:23.880 the century, Alan to do, uh to do? Write a 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:26.600 book with her at one point in your life. Okay, 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:29.639 you got it. The one and only Christina Kim is 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:34.720 our guest on Needa fourth Christina to show yourself she is. 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:42.200 That was dramatic. I love that. A pizza paper covering 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:45.160 the camera. Yes, yeah, for those who are not watching, 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:47.200 Christina just that was the best for avail. We've had 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:51.160 si file not even clothes, I mean easily the best. 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:55.320 Um so Christina. So yes, we do have a long history, 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:59.440 which Michael alluded to. And you've podcasted here on on 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:02.720 the fire Pit Network in the past. But tell tell 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:05.960 our listeners and our co hosts, like you've been out 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:07.799 here for heck of a long time, Like where are 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:11.160 you in your career? How hot is the fire burning? Like, 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:13.959 let's get caught up a little bit. Well, I have, 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:18.240 as of the end of this season, concluded my twentieth 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:25.240 year on the LPGA Tour, and I had I had 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:31.000 the yips this year. And I figured this out early November. 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:35.400 M Like you always hear, oh so and so had 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:37.320 the yips and this that, and it's like you can 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:39.520 see it this, this whatever whatever. So you have this 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:42.720 like vision in your brain as to what the yips are, 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:47.880 and it is nothing. It's nothing like what your brain 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:51.920 can conjure up. Because honest to god, I've probably hit 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:54.560 the ball better than I have in about a decade. 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:58.640 And I I wouldn't have been able to stroke a 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:00.080 dead horse if I was sitting on top of it. 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:05.800 How bad did it get? Um uh, my birdies that 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:08.920 I would make the random twenty footer, but if I 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:12.920 was inside of eighteen ft, I could not. I couldn't 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:15.720 hit my line, I couldn't get the speed right. I 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:22.800 was um like flinching outside of like my entire aura. 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:27.560 And it was, uh, it was. It was crazy. And 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:29.960 it wasn't every single put, but it was just enough 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:33.120 to sit there and just cause you to just have no, 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:36.000 no fucking clue what was going on. So, so, Jeff, 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:37.800 at this point, you and I can just leave the 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:42.480 room with the floors. Michael's because he's intimately familiar with 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:45.760 this subject. I'm sure he wants to um to go 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:49.960 into and gory detailed. Michael, the floor is yours. Do 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:52.039 you hold on really hard at the left hand, take 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:54.479 it outside and try to shove it in there without 0:04:54.560 --> 0:05:01.520 any release whatsoever. No, my stroke does not look bad, 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:06.240 but I just feel my soul flinching like two degrees 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:08.960 with almost every stroke, and then I would be off 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:11.800 balance like it. There was no there was no real 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:14.800 discernible shove if anything, Like my pottern was always exiting 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:17.360 too far left, and so it would be like a 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:20.120 flip of the hands as opposed to a lack of 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:22.800 a release. It was just, it was it was just. 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:27.480 It was insanity. It was insanity. What's your level, Christie, 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:31.120 your Christina, your level of comfortable actually using the word yip, 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:33.160 because like I was shocked years ago when I heard 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:36.520 Tom Watson say once a yipper, always a yipper, like 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:39.680 he was in recovery. Here's Tom Watson, one of the 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:41.440 great golfers of all time, one of the great pudders 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:44.360 of all time, admitting that he was in recovery from 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:46.800 being a yipper and that you were never in full recovery. 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:48.719 It was like being a recovering alcoholic. But are you 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:53.320 comfortable with using that word. Yip. I'm very comfortable one. Um. 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:56.400 I I can relate to that on a a mental 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:58.479 health level. UM. I always talked about how you know, 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:02.200 years ago I almost committed suicide, and so my mental 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:03.880 health is something that I have to be aware of 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:07.680 all the time. And you know, on bad days, it's like, oh, hello, 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:10.960 old friend, you can funk right off, but you're gonna 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:14.320 hang for a little while. That's cool. Um. And I 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:17.080 I mean for a period of time, because I've always been, 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:19.640 you know, in the last eighteen years of my career, 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:21.440 been known to be one of the fastest golfers on 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:24.960 the LPGA tour. I was pulling like whatever you would 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:27.000 call it, like a Sergio or Kevin Nah with the 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:31.360 grip thingy for like eight months to the point where 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:34.919 I was I was like openly weeping as I was 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:37.720 playing golf because you just had this thing in my 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:39.599 brain that just would not go. And so I was 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:41.599 I was on the putting green at my golf course 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:43.880 in Orlando, over at Orange Free Golf Club, and I 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:46.480 was just I'm grinding, and I'm sitting here trying to 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:48.400 figure out what on earth is happening, and it just 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:51.320 dawned on me. I was like, then I said it 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:55.800 to myself, I said, you had the yips. And so 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:59.359 for me, it's it's similar to, you know, like what 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:01.599 they say with in terms of like addictions. It's like, 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:03.719 you know, recognizing that there's a problem. And I was 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:06.640 just like, ohh that putt was a yip. I had 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:11.240 the yip. So just being able to face the fact 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:15.119 of what was going on provided me so much freedom 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:17.800 and so much of an ability to just be like, oh, okay, 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:19.400 this is what you're doing. And I mean I was 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:22.160 having I was getting putting lessons, and it was all 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:25.640 the same thing of like you're peaking, your putter's exiting left, 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:27.840 you're flipping your hands, you do like the kind of 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:31.960 ship that I tell my Proram partners every Wednesday prior 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:35.800 to a tournament round. I was cumulatively, cumulatively doing that 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:40.560 myself as a touring professional. And so when I realized 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:44.480 I had the yips, I was like, son of a bitch, Okay, 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:47.960 so now I know what I've been doing. So now 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:50.640 I know what to do to make sure that that 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:52.840 stays a part of my past. I mean, you make 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:55.600 it sound like a physical issue. Christina but the yips 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:58.000 is metaphysical. I mean it's in your it's in your soul. 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:00.440 It's it's I mean like Michael's. You may not know 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:02.400 it's about Michael. I play a lot of golf with 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:04.680 He's right handed, as a very nice right handed golf 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:07.680 swing and a very nice right handed putting stroke, but 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:09.840 he carries the kind of putter that he can if 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:12.000 he feels it coming on, he can just go lefty. 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:14.880 And so when I've played a lot with Michael, but 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:16.640 not everyone has, so we'll be out in the golf 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:18.560 course and all of a sudden they're like, wait, has 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:20.520 he been putting left hand this whole time? Like no, no, 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:24.120 just just on that three footer. And so it's you know, 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:26.320 like Michael, what does it feel like for you when 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:31.360 when you're struggling, like can you put a name on it? Um? 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:33.560 I feel like I know I've got no chance of 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:38.200 making it righty and that lefty, like I'll read it bad, 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:42.200 but but I won't stroke it bad. So so the 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:48.199 mis feels less bad. Is really not fair to Jeff 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:51.240 to be having this conversation front and you gotta face 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:54.000 this ship because then now you know how to combat it. 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:57.199 Are you kidding me? Jeff, you're you're you're putting stroke 0:08:57.240 --> 0:08:59.920 has always been smooth and simple and you've never struggled. 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:03.840 I need this, so imagine. Um, I've yipped a few parts, 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:08.319 I think, um, but it's never caught on for very long. 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:10.960 I think it's it starts out technical. I think it 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:13.719 ends up mental. But surely it starts out technical. I mean, 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:16.439 parting is so simple, like it doesn't take much to 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:18.080 get your ball position out by an inch or something, 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:19.600 and all of a sudden that's just not taken off 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:21.480 where you're looking, and you miss a couple that you 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:23.920 thought you were going to make, and then before you 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:26.680 know what, you're telling yourself you're a ship. But under 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:30.200 your breath, you know, like, I don't know, um. Chipping, 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:33.400 I think I've seen how is you chipping? Christina far 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:37.360 It was it was yipping. It wasn't again, it was 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:39.680 just bad enough for it to not be like I 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:41.880 feel like I could make every chip, but it was 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:43.880 the same kind of thing where it's like you felt, 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:47.439 I felt like I was yipping chips. Yeah, I've seen 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:50.120 some guys have a lot of trouble chipping. Chipping is 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:52.480 actually more damaging I think sometimes and you can get 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:53.719 away with it because you can just part right. But 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:55.079 if you get on short grass and you have to 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:59.400 chip and you've got the yips. No, it was a 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:01.880 stone in the seed tiger with the chip yips. And 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:04.040 I don't care what anybody says, he I don't. I 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:06.400 mean he was flinching and he was he looked awful, 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:09.080 and as Jeffe said, it was on the tight lies, 0:10:09.280 --> 0:10:11.200 you know, fluffy lies. He was fine, but on tight 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:14.360 lies you could make Have you two ever played in 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:20.600 a tournament together. I've seen him, We've been in the 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:25.080 same tournament at the Victorian. I've been um to the 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:28.880 minutes and women's run in conjunction at the same time. Um. Yeah, 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:33.840 it's a good event. Yeah, alternating tea times male female 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:36.400 male female. That was the first time I ever actually 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:38.240 laid eyes on him. It was It was pretty special 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:41.599 night top ten that year. Why don't they do that 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:43.360 as a mixed team event? Would't that be so fun 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:45.719 to actually have the men the moon playing alongside each other, 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:51.560 not not sort of concurrently. I think it's coming. I 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:55.760 mean Australia has got three or four sort of men 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:57.560 and women playing the same events. Sort of thing. I mean, 0:10:57.600 --> 0:11:01.760 it's coming. There's certainly a desire for I think, um, 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:04.840 maybe my peers and Christina's piers need to open their 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:06.880 minds up a little bit to it, and maybe the 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:08.360 powers that be I don't know. I think there's a 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:09.920 few and there's enough for shooes in golf at the 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:12.559 moment to not start chasing stuff like that. But I 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:14.040 think it would be a great tournament that J C. 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:16.000 Penney wasn't that. I remember that J C. Penny when 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:19.600 I first got on tour. That was the thing, right, yes, um, 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:23.000 and that was what to apply an OPG player and 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:26.520 his seniors tour champions to him. Maybe just the two, 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:29.480 just the two. Um. I don't know why that would 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:31.520 have been a great event. I imagine was it great? 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:35.439 Was the greatest caring of all time? John Daily with 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:38.040 Christie Christina? Can you get as part of me, Christina? 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:39.360 Because when you first came up to me, you were 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:42.400 Christie and I know Christina has really would to go. Now, Christina, 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:45.480 do you remember who John Daily played with Laura Davies. 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:48.640 I was, I was not. I wasn't really, I wasn't 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:51.160 on tour yet when when the J C. Penny was 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:55.080 still taking place, I would guess Laura Davies. Laura Davis, Yeah, 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:59.640 that those two together were fantastic. Um, that's an awesome 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:02.800 pay So before we leave the topic of the yips, 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:06.040 because it is it is so fascinating to me. By 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:08.599 the way, real quick, we're putting explicit on this podcast 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:14.840 episode right now. Sure the children. Um, Jeff, I'm curious, like, 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:16.600 what's the worst case you've ever seen on the PGA 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:18.120 tour of a guy who had the yips on the 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:22.480 greens on the greens Yeah, Ernie, Well, I think the 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:24.640 worst single part I've ever seen, I didn't see it 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:29.640 live was Lucas is part for sixty at Greensboro. Um, 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:32.760 it's on YouTube Lucas Glover that he was going through 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:35.560 a rough time. Lucas had it tough for a while, Um, 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:38.560 but fought through it and got through it. Um, Ernie, 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:42.040 Ernie's got pretty bad that year in Augusta was pretty 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:44.360 comedy show when he just couldn't get the ball in 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:47.760 the heart. I mean, that's a scary grain different putting well. Um, 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:50.040 and you can see it's I've part of I've had 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:53.000 four parts they're putting well, like hitting three good parts 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:56.719 and they all missed you know, so it can happen. Um, 0:12:56.760 --> 0:12:58.679 But yeah, Lucas is part of Greenspro. I think he 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:01.040 would have been it too. He nearly missed the blight 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:04.559 like on at it was tough, but he found it back. 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:06.679 I mean the guys, I mean he's still out there 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:10.200 applying well. I just think if I think about Ernie, 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:12.640 like you, you go into Augusta so full of hope 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:18.240 and and you spend all week long practicing and making 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:21.040 the scene. In the first hole of the first round, 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:23.760 you out in six ft and it's like you have 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:25.840 thirty five bar holes to play. It must have just 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:29.679 been an absolute death march, like for both of you guys. 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:31.360 And when when you get off to a bad start, 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:36.840 and like, how how do you soldier through that? Well, 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:45.280 So in twenty twenty get to the CME final round. Um, 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:48.000 I end up having to incur a two stroke penalty 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:52.719 because I got to the tea box. I there was 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:54.280 a cart, right, there were no carts around. We were 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:55.800 the first group out whatever. At the end of the day, 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:57.920 I should have gotten there sooner. But regardless, get to 0:13:57.960 --> 0:13:59.840 the tea, I jump out of the tea I like 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:03.400 flying squirrel it onto the tea box and like, did 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:06.360 I make it in time? And the rules official Mitch 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:08.240 Moon was like I'm really sorry you didn't And I 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:10.400 was like, can I still play? And he said, yeah, 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:12.959 go for it. So I made I forget. I think 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:15.360 I made triple and then I had seven birdies after that, 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:18.640 Like ship happens? What do you? What are you gonna do? 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:22.600 Like it's like the future has never written, um we have, 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:24.480 you know, on the LPGA, we call it the kiss 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:26.680 of death, where if you birdie the first hole and 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:29.160 you don't back it up either with a birdie in 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:31.000 the in one of the next few holes, or if 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:35.560 you miss in seemingly easy par putt in the next 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:41.360 couple of holes, you're fucked. Whereas if you make bogey 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:43.040 on the first hole, it's like you you know it, 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:47.200 you can just you take the valve off. You're just like, 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:49.000 funk it, all right, let's just go. Let's just go, 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:51.200 you know, as as deep as we can and see 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:54.680 what happens. That's fascinating. I love to know what the 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:57.480 browser is. Mentally fragiles, I would concur with that actually, 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:01.160 like it's not ideal, but some of your best rounds 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:04.400 of boggies on the first very often, and birdies on 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:10.320 the first can turn out poorly. Um it's funny. It 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:13.200 happens a lot. Yeah, yeah, sometimes, yeah, it happens a lot. 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:17.360 It's funny. Expectations really powerful, I think, and I think 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:20.160 when you get rid of your expectations, you play play, 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:23.840 you play like yourself. You know, expectations there's baggage you 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:25.800 don't need. And so when you birdie the first and 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:27.800 you're feeling really good, especially the first time of a major, 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:30.000 because people have been preparing for the Masters for nine 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:32.680 months mentally, you know when I used to be hitting 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:37.240 balls in January thinking about it. Um yeah. And if 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:40.560 you got boggy double the first very first Masters I 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:41.840 ever played, I hit it over the back on the 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:43.720 first and someone said that all you look here here 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:45.680 about the first The whole first week is don't hit 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:47.240 it over the back of the first, don't hit over 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:49.040 the back of the first. Second shot the Masters, I 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:51.600 hit it over the back of the first. Um yeah, 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:55.000 make double. And maybe I made boggy and bertie the second. 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:56.360 I was on my way. You know, it's almost a 0:15:56.400 --> 0:16:02.200 good thing. I love that. Um so, Christina, I mean 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:06.240 you say, twenty years on the LPG Tour, that's an 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:10.000 incredible accomplishment in any circumstances. And I mean, this is 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:12.280 gonna end up in a compliment, but it's gonna start 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:14.960 like not not gonna sound like it. You haven't won 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:17.560 that many tournaments. And when you win tournaments, you get 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:20.280 the multi year exemptions and it makes it easier to 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:22.840 stay out there for twenty years. So to be to 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:26.840 get two decades straight on only a handful of winds 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:31.840 is unbelievable. It speaks to your consistency, your tenacity, your grit. 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:34.000 I mean, do you do you pat yourself on the 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:36.640 back like, man, I've brawled it out year after year, 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:42.840 like it's impressive. I don't really think of it that way. 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:46.160 Um My thing is just obviously you go out trying 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:49.200 to win every event. Uh, this year it was trying 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:52.800 to make cuts, um, which I was only successful a 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:56.600 handful of times even this year alone. But you know, 0:16:56.680 --> 0:16:59.720 I don't, I don't know, it's it's it's I'm generally 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:04.320 very very fortunate that I can pretty much stay in 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:07.600 the moment so well that and I like to say 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:11.199 that I have a short memory that Um yeah, I 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:13.280 mean funk. These twenty years have flown by so quickly. 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:16.600 That's that's part of it. Like it's it's it's mind 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:18.359 boggling to me, the thing that has been what like 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:20.560 nine years or some ship since my last win or 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:24.000 whenever it was. I mean, I don't it's it's remarkable. 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:27.160 I don't even think about it in that same way. 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:31.320 So for me, you know, my first win was, yeah, 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:34.119 nineteen years ago, doesn't seem like it was that long ago. 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:38.160 And my last miscut was a couple of months ago 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:41.640 for whatever reason, that almost seems like it's farther back 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:44.280 in time to me. Um So I just, you know, 0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:45.639 I just try and stay in the moment and just 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:49.720 enjoy it, and once that enjoyment goes away, then it's 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:51.840 time to to hang the boots up. But you know, 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:55.159 I mean, I you get those moments where like for me, 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:58.199 like I had the yips, Like just being able to 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:01.399 say that, I started crying because I was like, finally 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:03.520 I know what the hell was going on. And I 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:06.440 got so excited to be able to say I had 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:08.600 the yips, And now I can start a streak of 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:15.280 awesome strokes and hopefully some made putts afterwards. That, you know, 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:18.800 it's just, you know, it's hard to kind of put 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:21.000 into words. But at my last turn of I actually 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:23.399 had a lady come up to me. She was following 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:25.680 me around and she she didn't shut up all day 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:27.840 and she actually, excuse me, she only talked when I 0:18:27.880 --> 0:18:30.520 was eating for the entire two rounds, which you know, 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:33.040 bless her heart. It's it's it's you know, you deal 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:35.359 with that as it is anyway on tour. And she 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:37.080 came up to me after now She's like, oh my god, 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:39.000 like I've been a fan of yours for so long, 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:40.919 this that whatever, whatever. I get that a lot, and 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:43.880 I think that's that's that's that's really really nice. And 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:45.480 you know, I was like, I love you, and I'm like, 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:47.560 it's because you say that because you don't know me, honey, 0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:50.119 you know. And she was like, you know, it's just 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:51.919 so crazy to think, you know that, you know, I 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:55.240 finally get to meet you after all these years. And 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:58.560 I was like, I know you meant that in the 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:03.159 nicest way possible. I'm not in a I'm in a 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:05.640 very fragile mind space as it is right now, so 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:07.800 I'm going to do my best to not be insulted 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:10.879 by that, but I'm I'm pretty highly offended at this point. 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:15.440 I'm offended by everything that you do. Lady. Now I'm 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:19.879 very nervous to ask any question. Allen stop, I'm in 0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:22.520 a much better head space. Come on, I'm over the yips. 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:26.080 I ask you this because, yeah, I read this in 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:29.399 the paper today. I got the partner says to the partner, 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:31.639 why are you always roller skating? And the answer was 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:34.439 because you never see anybody roller skating who's in a 0:19:34.520 --> 0:19:36.879 bad mood. And it made me think about golf, like 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:40.080 I'm generally I'll have moments of frustration, as we all do, 0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:43.000 but generally very happy to be on a golf course. So, Christina, 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:47.400 as you dealt with the mental health issues, what role 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:51.440 did golf and being on golf courses play in improving 0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:54.840 your mental health? Um? So, when I was at my 0:19:56.000 --> 0:19:57.960 the period of time where I was my worst with 0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:04.960 my mental health, it was simultaneously golf was simultaneously a 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:09.320 refuge as well as the source of my pain. Um 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:11.040 I was still you know, I was. I was in 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:14.159 my mid or early twenties. I was still associating my 0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:17.679 self worth with my score. I you know, I've always 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:22.320 had a very good sense of self. But I've you know, 0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:24.960 there's always going to be a part of you that, um, 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:28.159 you know, when you're younger, at least you think you know. 0:20:28.240 --> 0:20:31.000 I mean, I was always a caretaker. I was always 0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:33.200 the one that would like I could read someone's body 0:20:33.240 --> 0:20:35.800 language and I'd be like, hey, are you okay? What's 0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:38.280 going on? Like, let's talk about it. And so I 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:43.320 I never knew that there were other people that could 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:46.080 do that for me, and no one, truth be told, 0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:48.000 no one ever did that for me except for my 0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:51.920