1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: M golf. Is that they anything in golf that doesn't 2 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: change the anything that changes the best in playing. Is 3 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: this man a one time winner on the PGA Tour. 4 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: The point Alan is he didn't go Hollywood. You need 5 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: a fourth. So I think we can all agree that 6 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: Echo golf shoes changed the game. When Fred Couples rolled 7 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: up wearing them without socks, it spoke to their comfort 8 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: and just sort of that that effortless cool. But you 9 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: have an Arnold Palmer story I want to hear right. 10 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 1: Let let's see. Have I ever told you about my 11 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: last visit with Arnold? I saw Arnold. I would like 12 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:40,919 Speaker 1: to thank no reporters or Arnold more than I did 13 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 1: when he was in his eighties. My last visit with 14 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 1: him was in Latrobe, and I drove there wearing these 15 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: pathetic birken stocks when I got always, I'll just wear 16 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: my shoes when I get there. But when I got there, 17 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 1: all I had was my Echo golf shoes. And Arnold's 18 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: really formal, and I'm going into his office with my 19 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: cleaned up Echo golf shoes and armost like checking me out, 20 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: and he's nodding, and I said, what you're looking at 21 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: my socks and these arms like, no, I'm looking at 22 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,119 Speaker 1: your shoes. And then Arnold talked about all the different 23 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: shoes he wore, and no question, Arnold Doug the Echo shoe. 24 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: I love the Echo Show. I know you do too. Uh, 25 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: it's a great shoe sales resistant. If it's good enough 26 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: for Arnold Palmerton Fred Couples, it's good enough for the 27 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: rest of you. So go to Echo dot com and 28 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: um you can find one that fits that you like 29 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: that people will stare at, like Arnie. So back to 30 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: Need a Fourth. Hello, this is Alan Schipknuck back for 31 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 1: another Need a Fourth podcast, as always, joined by Michael 32 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: Bamberger in Philadelphia. This time Jeff Ogilvie is in the 33 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 1: fire Pit Offices in Oceanside, California. Boys, it's it's nice 34 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: to get the gang back together here. It's been a 35 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: little while. It was a good time. Yeah, it's good 36 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: to be here. I love it. Um, so we have 37 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: we have a really fun guest tonight. UM. I can 38 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: tell you that she is from the great state of California. 39 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: At this exact moment, she's about three miles away from me. 40 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: But um, that's unusual circumstances. She's here in Pebble Beach 41 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: playing a tournament. Um she's three and oh all time 42 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: in Solheim Cup singles. She shot sixty one in her 43 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: first ever LPGA event way back when, like turn of 44 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: the century, Alan to do, uh to do? Write a 45 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: book with her at one point in your life. Okay, 46 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 1: you got it. The one and only Christina Kim is 47 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: our guest on Needa fourth Christina to show yourself she is. 48 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: That was dramatic. I love that. A pizza paper covering 49 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: the camera. Yes, yeah, for those who are not watching, 50 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: Christina just that was the best for avail. We've had 51 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: si file not even clothes, I mean easily the best. 52 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: Um so Christina. So yes, we do have a long history, 53 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: which Michael alluded to. And you've podcasted here on on 54 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: the fire Pit Network in the past. But tell tell 55 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: our listeners and our co hosts, like you've been out 56 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 1: here for heck of a long time, Like where are 57 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: you in your career? How hot is the fire burning? Like, 58 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,959 Speaker 1: let's get caught up a little bit. Well, I have, 59 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: as of the end of this season, concluded my twentieth 60 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: year on the LPGA Tour, and I had I had 61 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: the yips this year. And I figured this out early November. 62 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: M Like you always hear, oh so and so had 63 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: the yips and this that, and it's like you can 64 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: see it this, this whatever whatever. So you have this 65 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: like vision in your brain as to what the yips are, 66 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: and it is nothing. It's nothing like what your brain 67 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: can conjure up. Because honest to god, I've probably hit 68 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: the ball better than I have in about a decade. 69 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: And I I wouldn't have been able to stroke a 70 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 1: dead horse if I was sitting on top of it. 71 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: How bad did it get? Um uh, my birdies that 72 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: I would make the random twenty footer, but if I 73 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: was inside of eighteen ft, I could not. I couldn't 74 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: hit my line, I couldn't get the speed right. I 75 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: was um like flinching outside of like my entire aura. 76 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: And it was, uh, it was. It was crazy. And 77 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: it wasn't every single put, but it was just enough 78 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: to sit there and just cause you to just have no, 79 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: no fucking clue what was going on. So, so, Jeff, 80 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: at this point, you and I can just leave the 81 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 1: room with the floors. Michael's because he's intimately familiar with 82 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: this subject. I'm sure he wants to um to go 83 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: into and gory detailed. Michael, the floor is yours. Do 84 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 1: you hold on really hard at the left hand, take 85 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 1: it outside and try to shove it in there without 86 00:04:54,560 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: any release whatsoever. No, my stroke does not look bad, 87 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: but I just feel my soul flinching like two degrees 88 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: with almost every stroke, and then I would be off 89 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: balance like it. There was no there was no real 90 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: discernible shove if anything, Like my pottern was always exiting 91 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: too far left, and so it would be like a 92 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: flip of the hands as opposed to a lack of 93 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: a release. It was just, it was it was just. 94 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: It was insanity. It was insanity. What's your level, Christie, 95 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: your Christina, your level of comfortable actually using the word yip, 96 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: because like I was shocked years ago when I heard 97 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: Tom Watson say once a yipper, always a yipper, like 98 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: he was in recovery. Here's Tom Watson, one of the 99 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: great golfers of all time, one of the great pudders 100 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: of all time, admitting that he was in recovery from 101 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: being a yipper and that you were never in full recovery. 102 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: It was like being a recovering alcoholic. But are you 103 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: comfortable with using that word. Yip. I'm very comfortable one. Um. 104 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: I I can relate to that on a a mental 105 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 1: health level. UM. I always talked about how you know, 106 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: years ago I almost committed suicide, and so my mental 107 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: health is something that I have to be aware of 108 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: all the time. And you know, on bad days, it's like, oh, hello, 109 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: old friend, you can funk right off, but you're gonna 110 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: hang for a little while. That's cool. Um. And I 111 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: I mean for a period of time, because I've always been, 112 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: you know, in the last eighteen years of my career, 113 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: been known to be one of the fastest golfers on 114 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: the LPGA tour. I was pulling like whatever you would 115 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: call it, like a Sergio or Kevin Nah with the 116 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 1: grip thingy for like eight months to the point where 117 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,919 Speaker 1: I was I was like openly weeping as I was 118 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 1: playing golf because you just had this thing in my 119 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 1: brain that just would not go. And so I was 120 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 1: I was on the putting green at my golf course 121 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: in Orlando, over at Orange Free Golf Club, and I 122 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 1: was just I'm grinding, and I'm sitting here trying to 123 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: figure out what on earth is happening, and it just 124 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: dawned on me. I was like, then I said it 125 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: to myself, I said, you had the yips. And so 126 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,359 Speaker 1: for me, it's it's similar to, you know, like what 127 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 1: they say with in terms of like addictions. It's like, 128 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 1: you know, recognizing that there's a problem. And I was 129 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: just like, ohh that putt was a yip. I had 130 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: the yip. So just being able to face the fact 131 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:15,119 Speaker 1: of what was going on provided me so much freedom 132 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: and so much of an ability to just be like, oh, okay, 133 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: this is what you're doing. And I mean I was 134 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: having I was getting putting lessons, and it was all 135 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: the same thing of like you're peaking, your putter's exiting left, 136 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: you're flipping your hands, you do like the kind of 137 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: ship that I tell my Proram partners every Wednesday prior 138 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: to a tournament round. I was cumulatively, cumulatively doing that 139 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: myself as a touring professional. And so when I realized 140 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: I had the yips, I was like, son of a bitch, Okay, 141 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: so now I know what I've been doing. So now 142 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: I know what to do to make sure that that 143 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: stays a part of my past. I mean, you make 144 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: it sound like a physical issue. Christina but the yips 145 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: is metaphysical. I mean it's in your it's in your soul. 146 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: It's it's I mean like Michael's. You may not know 147 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: it's about Michael. I play a lot of golf with 148 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: He's right handed, as a very nice right handed golf 149 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: swing and a very nice right handed putting stroke, but 150 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: he carries the kind of putter that he can if 151 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: he feels it coming on, he can just go lefty. 152 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: And so when I've played a lot with Michael, but 153 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: not everyone has, so we'll be out in the golf 154 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: course and all of a sudden they're like, wait, has 155 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: he been putting left hand this whole time? Like no, no, 156 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: just just on that three footer. And so it's you know, 157 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: like Michael, what does it feel like for you when 158 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: when you're struggling, like can you put a name on it? Um? 159 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 1: I feel like I know I've got no chance of 160 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: making it righty and that lefty, like I'll read it bad, 161 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: but but I won't stroke it bad. So so the 162 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 1: mis feels less bad. Is really not fair to Jeff 163 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: to be having this conversation front and you gotta face 164 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: this ship because then now you know how to combat it. 165 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? Jeff, you're you're you're putting stroke 166 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: has always been smooth and simple and you've never struggled. 167 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: I need this, so imagine. Um, I've yipped a few parts, 168 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 1: I think, um, but it's never caught on for very long. 169 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 1: I think it's it starts out technical. I think it 170 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,719 Speaker 1: ends up mental. But surely it starts out technical. I mean, 171 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,439 Speaker 1: parting is so simple, like it doesn't take much to 172 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: get your ball position out by an inch or something, 173 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden that's just not taken off 174 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: where you're looking, and you miss a couple that you 175 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: thought you were going to make, and then before you 176 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 1: know what, you're telling yourself you're a ship. But under 177 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: your breath, you know, like, I don't know, um. Chipping, 178 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: I think I've seen how is you chipping? Christina far 179 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: It was it was yipping. It wasn't again, it was 180 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: just bad enough for it to not be like I 181 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: feel like I could make every chip, but it was 182 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: the same kind of thing where it's like you felt, 183 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 1: I felt like I was yipping chips. Yeah, I've seen 184 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: some guys have a lot of trouble chipping. Chipping is 185 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: actually more damaging I think sometimes and you can get 186 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:53,719 Speaker 1: away with it because you can just part right. But 187 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:55,079 Speaker 1: if you get on short grass and you have to 188 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: chip and you've got the yips. No, it was a 189 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: stone in the seed tiger with the chip yips. And 190 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: I don't care what anybody says, he I don't. I 191 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: mean he was flinching and he was he looked awful, 192 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: and as Jeffe said, it was on the tight lies, 193 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: you know, fluffy lies. He was fine, but on tight 194 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: lies you could make Have you two ever played in 195 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: a tournament together. I've seen him, We've been in the 196 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: same tournament at the Victorian. I've been um to the 197 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: minutes and women's run in conjunction at the same time. Um. Yeah, 198 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: it's a good event. Yeah, alternating tea times male female 199 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: male female. That was the first time I ever actually 200 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: laid eyes on him. It was It was pretty special 201 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,599 Speaker 1: night top ten that year. Why don't they do that 202 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: as a mixed team event? Would't that be so fun 203 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,719 Speaker 1: to actually have the men the moon playing alongside each other, 204 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: not not sort of concurrently. I think it's coming. I 205 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: mean Australia has got three or four sort of men 206 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: and women playing the same events. Sort of thing. I mean, 207 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: it's coming. There's certainly a desire for I think, um, 208 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: maybe my peers and Christina's piers need to open their 209 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: minds up a little bit to it, and maybe the 210 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: powers that be I don't know. I think there's a 211 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: few and there's enough for shooes in golf at the 212 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 1: moment to not start chasing stuff like that. But I 213 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: think it would be a great tournament that J C. 214 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: Penney wasn't that. I remember that J C. Penny when 215 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: I first got on tour. That was the thing, right, yes, um, 216 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: and that was what to apply an OPG player and 217 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: his seniors tour champions to him. Maybe just the two, 218 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: just the two. Um. I don't know why that would 219 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: have been a great event. I imagine was it great? 220 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 1: Was the greatest caring of all time? John Daily with 221 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: Christie Christina? Can you get as part of me, Christina? 222 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: Because when you first came up to me, you were 223 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: Christie and I know Christina has really would to go. Now, Christina, 224 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: do you remember who John Daily played with Laura Davies. 225 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: I was, I was not. I wasn't really, I wasn't 226 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: on tour yet when when the J C. Penny was 227 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: still taking place, I would guess Laura Davies. Laura Davis, Yeah, 228 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: that those two together were fantastic. Um, that's an awesome 229 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: pay So before we leave the topic of the yips, 230 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: because it is it is so fascinating to me. By 231 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,599 Speaker 1: the way, real quick, we're putting explicit on this podcast 232 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: episode right now. Sure the children. Um, Jeff, I'm curious, like, 233 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: what's the worst case you've ever seen on the PGA 234 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: tour of a guy who had the yips on the 235 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: greens on the greens Yeah, Ernie, Well, I think the 236 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: worst single part I've ever seen, I didn't see it 237 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: live was Lucas is part for sixty at Greensboro. Um, 238 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: it's on YouTube Lucas Glover that he was going through 239 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: a rough time. Lucas had it tough for a while, Um, 240 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 1: but fought through it and got through it. Um, Ernie, 241 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: Ernie's got pretty bad that year in Augusta was pretty 242 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: comedy show when he just couldn't get the ball in 243 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: the heart. I mean, that's a scary grain different putting well. Um, 244 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: and you can see it's I've part of I've had 245 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: four parts they're putting well, like hitting three good parts 246 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,719 Speaker 1: and they all missed you know, so it can happen. Um, 247 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 1: But yeah, Lucas is part of Greenspro. I think he 248 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: would have been it too. He nearly missed the blight 249 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,559 Speaker 1: like on at it was tough, but he found it back. 250 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 1: I mean the guys, I mean he's still out there 251 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: applying well. I just think if I think about Ernie, 252 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: like you, you go into Augusta so full of hope 253 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: and and you spend all week long practicing and making 254 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: the scene. In the first hole of the first round, 255 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: you out in six ft and it's like you have 256 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 1: thirty five bar holes to play. It must have just 257 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:29,679 Speaker 1: been an absolute death march, like for both of you guys. 258 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: And when when you get off to a bad start, 259 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: and like, how how do you soldier through that? Well, 260 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: So in twenty twenty get to the CME final round. Um, 261 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: I end up having to incur a two stroke penalty 262 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:52,719 Speaker 1: because I got to the tea box. I there was 263 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: a cart, right, there were no carts around. We were 264 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: the first group out whatever. At the end of the day, 265 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: I should have gotten there sooner. But regardless, get to 266 00:13:57,960 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: the tea, I jump out of the tea I like 267 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: flying squirrel it onto the tea box and like, did 268 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: I make it in time? And the rules official Mitch 269 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: Moon was like I'm really sorry you didn't And I 270 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: was like, can I still play? And he said, yeah, 271 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:12,959 Speaker 1: go for it. So I made I forget. I think 272 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: I made triple and then I had seven birdies after that, 273 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: Like ship happens? What do you? What are you gonna do? 274 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: Like it's like the future has never written, um we have, 275 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: you know, on the LPGA, we call it the kiss 276 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: of death, where if you birdie the first hole and 277 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: you don't back it up either with a birdie in 278 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: the in one of the next few holes, or if 279 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: you miss in seemingly easy par putt in the next 280 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: couple of holes, you're fucked. Whereas if you make bogey 281 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: on the first hole, it's like you you know it, 282 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: you can just you take the valve off. You're just like, 283 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: funk it, all right, let's just go. Let's just go, 284 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: you know, as as deep as we can and see 285 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: what happens. That's fascinating. I love to know what the 286 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: browser is. Mentally fragiles, I would concur with that actually, 287 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: like it's not ideal, but some of your best rounds 288 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: of boggies on the first very often, and birdies on 289 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: the first can turn out poorly. Um it's funny. It 290 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: happens a lot. Yeah, yeah, sometimes, yeah, it happens a lot. 291 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: It's funny. Expectations really powerful, I think, and I think 292 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: when you get rid of your expectations, you play play, 293 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: you play like yourself. You know, expectations there's baggage you 294 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: don't need. And so when you birdie the first and 295 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: you're feeling really good, especially the first time of a major, 296 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: because people have been preparing for the Masters for nine 297 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: months mentally, you know when I used to be hitting 298 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: balls in January thinking about it. Um yeah. And if 299 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: you got boggy double the first very first Masters I 300 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: ever played, I hit it over the back on the 301 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: first and someone said that all you look here here 302 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: about the first The whole first week is don't hit 303 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: it over the back of the first, don't hit over 304 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: the back of the first. Second shot the Masters, I 305 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: hit it over the back of the first. Um yeah, 306 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: make double. And maybe I made boggy and bertie the second. 307 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: I was on my way. You know, it's almost a 308 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: good thing. I love that. Um so, Christina, I mean 309 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: you say, twenty years on the LPG Tour, that's an 310 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: incredible accomplishment in any circumstances. And I mean, this is 311 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: gonna end up in a compliment, but it's gonna start 312 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: like not not gonna sound like it. You haven't won 313 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: that many tournaments. And when you win tournaments, you get 314 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: the multi year exemptions and it makes it easier to 315 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: stay out there for twenty years. So to be to 316 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: get two decades straight on only a handful of winds 317 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: is unbelievable. It speaks to your consistency, your tenacity, your grit. 318 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: I mean, do you do you pat yourself on the 319 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: back like, man, I've brawled it out year after year, 320 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: like it's impressive. I don't really think of it that way. 321 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: Um My thing is just obviously you go out trying 322 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: to win every event. Uh, this year it was trying 323 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: to make cuts, um, which I was only successful a 324 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: handful of times even this year alone. But you know, 325 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know, it's it's it's I'm generally 326 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: very very fortunate that I can pretty much stay in 327 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: the moment so well that and I like to say 328 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:11,199 Speaker 1: that I have a short memory that Um yeah, I 329 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: mean funk. These twenty years have flown by so quickly. 330 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: That's that's part of it. Like it's it's it's mind 331 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: boggling to me, the thing that has been what like 332 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: nine years or some ship since my last win or 333 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: whenever it was. I mean, I don't it's it's remarkable. 334 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 1: I don't even think about it in that same way. 335 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: So for me, you know, my first win was, yeah, 336 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 1: nineteen years ago, doesn't seem like it was that long ago. 337 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 1: And my last miscut was a couple of months ago 338 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, that almost seems like it's farther back 339 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 1: in time to me. Um So I just, you know, 340 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: I just try and stay in the moment and just 341 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: enjoy it, and once that enjoyment goes away, then it's 342 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: time to to hang the boots up. But you know, 343 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 1: I mean, I you get those moments where like for me, 344 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,199 Speaker 1: like I had the yips, Like just being able to 345 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: say that, I started crying because I was like, finally 346 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: I know what the hell was going on. And I 347 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 1: got so excited to be able to say I had 348 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: the yips, And now I can start a streak of 349 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: awesome strokes and hopefully some made putts afterwards. That, you know, 350 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: it's just, you know, it's hard to kind of put 351 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: into words. But at my last turn of I actually 352 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 1: had a lady come up to me. She was following 353 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 1: me around and she she didn't shut up all day 354 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: and she actually, excuse me, she only talked when I 355 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: was eating for the entire two rounds, which you know, 356 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: bless her heart. It's it's it's you know, you deal 357 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: with that as it is anyway on tour. And she 358 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: came up to me after now She's like, oh my god, 359 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: like I've been a fan of yours for so long, 360 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:40,919 Speaker 1: this that whatever, whatever. I get that a lot, and 361 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,880 Speaker 1: I think that's that's that's that's really really nice. And 362 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: you know, I was like, I love you, and I'm like, 363 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: it's because you say that because you don't know me, honey, 364 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 1: you know. And she was like, you know, it's just 365 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:51,919 Speaker 1: so crazy to think, you know that, you know, I 366 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: finally get to meet you after all these years. And 367 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: I was like, I know you meant that in the 368 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 1: nicest way possible. I'm not in a I'm in a 369 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,640 Speaker 1: very fragile mind space as it is right now, so 370 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: I'm going to do my best to not be insulted 371 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 1: by that, but I'm I'm pretty highly offended at this point. 372 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 1: I'm offended by everything that you do. Lady. Now I'm 373 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 1: very nervous to ask any question. Allen stop, I'm in 374 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: a much better head space. Come on, I'm over the yips. 375 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: I ask you this because, yeah, I read this in 376 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 1: the paper today. I got the partner says to the partner, 377 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: why are you always roller skating? And the answer was 378 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 1: because you never see anybody roller skating who's in a 379 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 1: bad mood. And it made me think about golf, like 380 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: I'm generally I'll have moments of frustration, as we all do, 381 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: but generally very happy to be on a golf course. So, Christina, 382 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 1: as you dealt with the mental health issues, what role 383 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 1: did golf and being on golf courses play in improving 384 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: your mental health? Um? So, when I was at my 385 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: the period of time where I was my worst with 386 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: my mental health, it was simultaneously golf was simultaneously a 387 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: refuge as well as the source of my pain. Um 388 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: I was still you know, I was. I was in 389 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,159 Speaker 1: my mid or early twenties. I was still associating my 390 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,679 Speaker 1: self worth with my score. I you know, I've always 391 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: had a very good sense of self. But I've you know, 392 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: there's always going to be a part of you that, um, 393 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 1: you know, when you're younger, at least you think you know. 394 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I was always a caretaker. I was always 395 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: the one that would like I could read someone's body 396 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: language and I'd be like, hey, are you okay? What's 397 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: going on? Like, let's talk about it. And so I 398 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: I never knew that there were other people that could 399 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: do that for me, and no one, truth be told, 400 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: no one ever did that for me except for my 401 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 1: boyfriend Duncan. Um. Everyone always came to me with their 402 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 1: problems and I would help with the problem solving. I 403 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,199 Speaker 1: would be an ear to listen to. But no one 404 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: ever asked me how I was doing. And so I 405 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 1: was never able to express that I wasn't doing well. Um. 406 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: And so because of that perception that people had of me, 407 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 1: I I shut down doubly so, and that as a result, 408 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 1: just ended up festering inside of me and having that 409 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: persona of Christina's always bubbly, Christina's always having fun, this, that, whatever, whatever. 410 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: It's like, Yeah, I mean I'm still having fun, but 411 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:26,239 Speaker 1: I'm fucking dying inside and no one is asking me, 412 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: and I don't know how to ask for help because 413 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: I'm always the one giving it, so um it. At 414 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 1: times it was both my refuge as well as a 415 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,719 Speaker 1: sourbs of my pain. Nowadays, I mean like I'm here 416 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 1: at the Pebble Beach Invitational right now. I I got 417 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:47,719 Speaker 1: a call Wednesday at eleven fifty seven in the morning 418 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:53,239 Speaker 1: back in Florida saying, hey, we need you. Someone had 419 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: to pull out. There's an eight thirty three tea time 420 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: here in California. I was an hour and a half 421 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 1: away from my house. And thankfully, just because I've been 422 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: on tour for so long, I was I'm always in 423 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: like a perpetual state of like semi packed um. I 424 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: always say it's like it's like my like my Preppers 425 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: version of a bug bag, um, a bug out bag. 426 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: And so I was like, Okay, let me see if 427 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: I can get a flight that one leaves late enough 428 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: that I can catch it, but two arrives early enough 429 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: that I can make my eight thirty three tea time. 430 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: And lo and behold, I was able to find a 431 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: flight that took off at five thirty in the afternoon 432 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 1: landed just before eleven PM. The bags were delayed by 433 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: over an hour in SFO, and then how to go 434 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: from SFO and make my way down to Monterey. Um, 435 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: long story short, I got into the room like tot 436 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: up at eight thirty, like I I and I'm having 437 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: the time of my life, Like how can you not 438 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,640 Speaker 1: when you're here in in in at Pebble Beach and 439 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,959 Speaker 1: you know, playing I'm I'm playing um Spyglass tomorrow. Like 440 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,439 Speaker 1: it's just like because I'm in a place where I 441 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: can cope with myself and I can understand things better, 442 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: and I have a grasp of, you know, really who 443 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 1: I am to this point in my life, Like it's 444 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: fucking amazing, Like and golf has been much more of 445 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: a savior, even in those times where I'm like, well, okay, 446 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 1: I yipped it again from eight feet and that is 447 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 1: my six yip today from inside of ten ft. It's like, 448 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,959 Speaker 1: god damn it, I'm hitting inside of ten feet, like 449 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 1: I like, I can't even throw anything inside of ten 450 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: ft like regards if I've already inside of ten feet 451 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 1: from the object. So it's one of those things where 452 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,439 Speaker 1: it's just an unbelievable, like incredible battle of of you know, 453 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 1: I mean, I would say so analogous to life, but 454 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: it's it's you know, I'm going to overdramatize it, but 455 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: it's like the good versus evil and the yend and 456 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: the yang in the dark and the light and and 457 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: and and golf is just such a beautiful, um example 458 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 1: of that. If you you know, if, if, if you're 459 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 1: going through it, which your girl was, Jeff, I'm wondering 460 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 1: how much you relate to that because listeners to this podcast, 461 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,360 Speaker 1: no you're I'm sure they think of you as an easygoing, 462 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: low key, mellow dude. But on the golf course, you 463 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,919 Speaker 1: could run hot and you were almost the perfectionists in 464 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: some ways. I mean, did you burn yourself out a 465 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 1: little bit just by being so hard on yourself? Ah? Yeah, 466 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: I think. Um, it's hard not too though, Like Christina says, 467 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: I mean early in your career, it takes a long 468 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 1: time to not well. It's very rare the golfer who 469 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: doesn't attached their self worth or their happiness level to 470 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: their scores. You know, like when you're playing well, you're 471 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: all happy and you're up and about, and you played 472 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 1: bad for a few weeks, all of a sudden you 473 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: think you're a bad person, you know. Um, it's a 474 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: pretty frustrating job. Um. But as Christina said, I mean 475 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 1: it's the best teacher as well. I mean it's the 476 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: best psychologist. I mean, golf as a sport is the 477 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: best psychologist I've ever talked to, you know. I mean, 478 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: because the whole game is a bad against yourself. Really, 479 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: it's I mean, we have other opponents out there that 480 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: you guys like to write about, but it's really a 481 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: battle against yourself. Um. And everyone's always in sort of 482 00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,919 Speaker 1: a different phase of their battle, you know. And you 483 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 1: it's always you're going around in circles. At one point 484 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:03,640 Speaker 1: you get it, you're working out, and then you get 485 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 1: further away from it, and then you find it again, 486 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: and then you get further away from it, and you 487 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 1: find again. That's the cycle. And I guess the more 488 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:14,919 Speaker 1: you can go through that with a little bit of awareness, um, gradually, 489 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: mentally I just got less affected. Later on. I definitely 490 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: got burned out because I tried. I didn't try too hard. 491 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: I don't think you can try too hard. I think 492 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: I took it too hard, took it too seriously, you know. Um, 493 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: I think at some point you sort of come to 494 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: the point where I would try to take since try 495 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: to play sincere golf not serious golf, you know, so 496 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 1: all in, but it doesn't really matter, you know. Um, 497 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 1: and when you're playing your best, it's like that it's 498 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: a little bit cavalier and it's very free and it's 499 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 1: um a lot of fun um and better for your 500 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 1: mental health because if you're taking it too seriously, you know, 501 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 1: I mean, you've got some pretty miserable nights and hotel 502 00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: rooms and you do that two or three weeks in 503 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: a row. Um, you don't let your job very much. 504 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's a great teacher, though golf if you 505 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: let it, if you let it be a teacher, it's 506 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,880 Speaker 1: a great teacher. Well, and I'm sure winning the US 507 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 1: Open at a pretty young age complicated that because I'd 508 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: only raise the the internal bar, right like, yeah, I mean, 509 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: the expectations go nuts, and then everyone asks no one 510 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 1: ever used to ask, like if there's one bad thing 511 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: about winning a big tournament like that, or winning big tournaments, 512 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 1: is that you can't play golf tournaments anonymously anymore, you know, 513 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 1: And I kind of miss playing golf tournaments anonymously. I 514 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: mean I kind of get to do it now because 515 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 1: no one really notices me anymore. But um, just turning up, 516 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: play your golf tournament, go through your stuff, play, put 517 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: your scores in and go. Like once you win a 518 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 1: big tournament, everyone's asking you how you're playing all the time, 519 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: and why don't you're playing any good? I thought you 520 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,400 Speaker 1: were a bit better than that. I thought I had 521 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: my money on you this week, Jeff, and all that 522 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: sort of stuff. It just wears you out a little 523 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: bit if you let it. And I think it happens 524 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 1: to everybody. I mean, how many times you see guys 525 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: win a major or golf has when a major and 526 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: they have a great little six months because they're informed, 527 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: but then for a couple of years they drop off 528 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: because it's just it's different. I don't know, it's hard. 529 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: I'd like to think that I handled it okay, but um, 530 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: it's tough. It is a tough sort of period. Like 531 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 1: expectation is a big enemy, I think, and it's hard 532 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: to get past that because the better you play, the 533 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 1: high year expectations are. But then you go buggy. The 534 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 1: first as we were talking about, before, all of a 535 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: sudden your head goes head comes off because you thought 536 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: you were going to win by six, you know, meanwhereas 537 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: if you win and win no expectations, you buggy the first, 538 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: you don't really care um and ultimately the buggy on 539 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: the first doesn't make any difference. I mean, how many 540 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: people win tournaments with the buggy on the first? I 541 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: mean probably every second week. So anyway, Yeah, it's a 542 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: fascinating journey mentally professional golfer. 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Come on, um, Christina, 562 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: I'm sure you know that Jeff is uh very much 563 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: a student of golf course architecture. I've never gotten a 564 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: chance to hear you on those same subjects. What are 565 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: some of your favorite courses in the world. Have you 566 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: had a chance to do any golf course design? Work 567 00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: yourself well to answer your your ask question, No, but 568 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: I I it's hard to see to speak in front 569 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: of this group because I I would say, I'm I'm 570 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: definitely a novice when it does come to golf course architecture, 571 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: but I do love and appreciate it. Um. It's interesting. 572 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: I've I've come to realize that some of my best 573 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: golf gets played on seth Rainer style or excuse me, 574 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: seth Rainer design golf courses. Uh. There's just something about 575 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: the way that the courses tend to flow. It fits 576 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: my mind's I. Um, but I I am a fan 577 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 1: of architecture. I just I'm still very much a novice 578 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: and and you know, golf course design would be something 579 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: that I would love to get into. But when it 580 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: comes to you know, the understanding of you know, soil 581 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,239 Speaker 1: composition and then you know in relation to that, like 582 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: you know and then location, humidity levels, um, you know, 583 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: the way the seasons change, what type of grass types 584 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: are are better suited for that. Like I would just 585 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: want to sit there and be like I want a 586 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: fescue golf course because fescu is the best grass on 587 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: the planet and leave it at that. And you know, 588 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: have have some you know, unbelievable um. You know, like 589 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: I want to have her dance but it's all of 590 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: that stuff. But I'm not, uh, I'm I'm I'm very 591 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: humble in this group to be honest when it comes 592 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: to that. Um, But I've played some unbelievable courses. I mean, 593 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: Mountain Lake is is this unbelievable hidden gym just outside 594 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 1: an hour outside of Orlando. It's a Seth Reiner design 595 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: where it just it's just such a special special place. Um. 596 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: Will shure I think has become a super fun golf course. UM. 597 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: And and one of my favorite courses to go run 598 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: up to whenever i'm up near the up in in 599 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: in Michigan. Haven't played Crystal Down yet, but I love 600 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 1: going and checking out the loop that that Tom Dope 601 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: did over at Fort Students. And it's just you know, 602 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: I I don't know, I'm very um. I feel like 603 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: a five year old girl trying to sit with the 604 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: adults at the adult table right now. When it comes 605 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 1: to architecture, I think you and Jeff actually are are 606 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: very similarly aligned. I mean I know Christina a little 607 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 1: better than the other two folk on this chat, and 608 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: like Christina is a very old school and how she 609 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: thinks about the game, she's a purist. Um, there's there's 610 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: you know, despite the colorful wardrobe. I mean, I think 611 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,239 Speaker 1: you're you're living in like the nineteen fifties as far 612 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: as how you think about the game, like and Jeff 613 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: of course is old school to the bone, so set 614 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 1: inside the architecture. But um, you know, whether it's it's 615 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: yardage books or it's lasers, or it's piece of play 616 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: or whatever. Like, I think you guys actually see it 617 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: exactly the same, even if you don't know that it's 618 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: a very highly paid compliment, So thank you, Allen. No, 619 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: but it's true. Christina. Do you remember, um, have you 620 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: played Mary in more than once? I have, No. I 621 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 1: have only played Mary in the one time when Alan 622 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,959 Speaker 1: and I were on our book tour. I was in 623 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: that game. It was no, it was a girls group. 624 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: It was Alan sho Allison Shoemaker, um that Alan had 625 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: gotten me set up with, and she about two of 626 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: her girl her her lady friends, and we were playing 627 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: it in the months prior to Justin Rose winning at 628 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 1: Marian and I was I think I was. I don't 629 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: know if I should say this, but I believe I 630 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: was the only person allowed to hit off of the 631 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: grass for like the for the like three months prior 632 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: to the U S Open being held there. That's what 633 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: all those divots were doing. And my memory is, uh 634 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: that that you played from the from the back tees 635 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 1: and shot sixty nine is what was reported to me 636 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: at the time. And uh, you know, just farries and 637 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,239 Speaker 1: greens and made a couple of pots. Fairies, Greens make 638 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: a couple of pots. That's that's that's ultimately what golf 639 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: comes down to. And and you know, Marian, it was 640 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 1: so funny. It's very the the game has played very 641 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: differently from with the men versus the women in many regards. 642 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: Like I always joked because you know, like like going 643 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 1: and playing the vic open Um was honestly one of 644 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: my favorite experience is because you know you're you're going. 645 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: I played practice rounds with like with Aaron Pike, with 646 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 1: Brett Rumford and and Jordan Mulaney, so so three Australian 647 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: guys and I was um playing and and um um. 648 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 1: James Morrison walks up and he's like, hey, we're just 649 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 1: gonna walk if we can watch you guys this that whatever. 650 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: And I'm like sure, and I'm like, god, you guys 651 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 1: hit the ball so far and he's like, you hit 652 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 1: it so straight. And it's just so funny because it 653 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: was sort of like game recognized as game. And I 654 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 1: just kind of sit there and I'm like, I joke 655 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: like we don't have enough clubhead speed to make the 656 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 1: ball go right or left, you know. I I kind 657 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 1: of joke in that sense. Um, And I always I always, 658 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: you know, And I talked with some of my guy 659 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: friends as well, you know that are various levels of 660 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 1: professional golf, and I'm just like okay, We'll tell me like, 661 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 1: it's twenty yards a narrow fairway. Most of the time 662 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 1: people will say yes. I'm like, okay, well, in twenty yards, 663 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 1: you've got how many feet are in a yard? This? Three? 664 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 1: How many inches are in the foot this twelve? So 665 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 1: in a twenty yard fairway you have sixty feet. In 666 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: the sixty foot fairway, you have seven inches here. To 667 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: take the I am out of a golf ball and 668 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 1: divide that by those seven you can fit four hundred 669 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 1: and twenty four point seven golf balls in a twenty 670 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: yard fairway. So one golf ball is less than a 671 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: quarter percent of a fairway. And the guys get so 672 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 1: mad at me because I just have a different sense 673 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 1: of perspective. And they were like, yeah, but if you 674 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 1: hit it farther than you know, there's more potential for 675 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,959 Speaker 1: deviation this, that, whatever, whatever, even the wind can cause 676 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: it to drift whatever. And I'm like, okay, then use 677 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,879 Speaker 1: your head and like, recognize the ball is gonna fly 678 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 1: that far. So at this velocity of wind, the ball 679 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,240 Speaker 1: is going to travel this much more in one direction 680 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,319 Speaker 1: or the other. Like, don't give me that as an excuse, son, 681 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,799 Speaker 1: Like you you're at your level, you should know, you 682 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 1: know what your angle of attack is, how far to 683 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 1: the right you're swinging and be able to do the 684 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: math that way. And then they get kind of they 685 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 1: oftentimes get mad and walk away, But there are a 686 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: couple that are just like I never thought of it 687 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 1: that way. Fairways are less narrow now because it's all 688 00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: a matter of perspective. That's neat. Christina, do you remember 689 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 1: when Anica played in the in the Colonial Tournament. I 690 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: I am. I was not glued to my television because 691 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:13,839 Speaker 1: I was trapesing about in a beat up dodge van 692 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 1: playing in what is now absent tour events with my 693 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 1: dad on the bag, But I was I was aware 694 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 1: of it. Yes, and and and I remember her walking. 695 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 1: I just remember her like nearly falling down walking off 696 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 1: that first tee box. Yeah, yeah, that was fun. But 697 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 1: just what you said, I mean, she she picked it. 698 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,359 Speaker 1: She picked it apart. Uh you know, she played it like, 699 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 1: you know, like Hogan would have played a US open course. 700 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,360 Speaker 1: She absolutely picked it apart, and she missed very few fairways, 701 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 1: and she needed to not miss arrows because that roof 702 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 1: is his piano and relative strength would have been would 703 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 1: have been you know, stopping balls on Green's out of 704 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,799 Speaker 1: that Roff would have been much more challenging for her 705 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 1: than C. B. J. Singh. But just what you said, 706 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,240 Speaker 1: she played such intelligent golf and it's just a pleasure 707 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 1: to watch you know, you or Stacy Lewis or Honica 708 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: or any of the great players today, Um pick apart 709 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 1: golf courses with intelligence. I don't think it's any any 710 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,319 Speaker 1: coincidence that you said Seth reren or you know, of 711 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 1: all the names you could say, you'd say Seth Rerener 712 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 1: because he would appreciate the way that that that you 713 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 1: play golf. Jeff, what does it mean when Christina could 714 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,359 Speaker 1: name any architecture she named Seth Reiner? Well, how did 715 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,359 Speaker 1: that hit your ears? Wow, she's picking a good one, 716 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 1: didn't she? Um? Um, yeah, I don't know. I mean 717 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 1: Ryans and he was prolific on the East guyst to 718 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,439 Speaker 1: the US when I mean fantastic. Um yeah, I don't. 719 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 1: I don't think it matters. Um, I mean US snobs. 720 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:40,759 Speaker 1: I mean I'm a bit of a snob, but I 721 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 1: mean I don't I mean talk. I've read all the 722 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: books and all the names of all these people and stuff, 723 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 1: but I don't think that really matters. If you enjoy 724 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,919 Speaker 1: playing golf, they you enjoyed playing golf there, you know. Um, 725 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 1: it's interesting to talk about over a glass I read 726 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,919 Speaker 1: at dinner or something, you know again zivs Reiner or whatever, 727 00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 1: and people want to talk about. But um, there there's 728 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,439 Speaker 1: just sort of especially the old that golden age, there's 729 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 1: just some something about courses that weren't nature that wasn't 730 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: was less messed around with, you know, and they had 731 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 1: to use whatever was there, and they were a bit 732 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,960 Speaker 1: more creative. I think probably um and the player and 733 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 1: then the and the clubs that have recognized that and 734 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 1: preserved what Ryner and Ross and McDonald, McKenzie and that 735 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,719 Speaker 1: that they're the smart ones that preserved what was there. Um, 736 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:34,160 Speaker 1: they're enduring, you know, they just never don't every new 737 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 1: generation that comes along they appreciate it, you know. Um, 738 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,360 Speaker 1: it's timeless. So yeah, right is a good Right is 739 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,680 Speaker 1: a good pick. It's one of the best. Christina from 740 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,880 Speaker 1: time to time mentions playing golf with his dad And 741 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 1: you just mentioned your dad cadding for you and as 742 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 1: tour events a long time ago. What what was that 743 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 1: relationship like? So I spent some time to his dad. 744 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,360 Speaker 1: He is such a character. I want to hear how 745 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,840 Speaker 1: you answer this, and I may I mean an are good? Okay? Well, 746 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:11,799 Speaker 1: during it was one of the most volatile relationships you 747 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,759 Speaker 1: could imagine in every way. In every way, because the 748 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 1: highs were so high, the lows were so low. There 749 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 1: were just the the shouting matches we would have, like 750 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,120 Speaker 1: you know, in the middle of a round, and that's 751 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:25,840 Speaker 1: all we knew, you know. We're just like He's like 752 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 1: it's a seven, and I'm like it's an eight. He's 753 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 1: like it's a seven. And it's just like what is 754 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,399 Speaker 1: wrong with you? It's like, what's wrong with me? What's 755 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,840 Speaker 1: wrong with you? I come from you, so it's clearly 756 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,600 Speaker 1: your fault, you know, like all of that stuff like, um, 757 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 1: you know, we would have shouting matches like that, but 758 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,319 Speaker 1: we would always like we would ultimately always end up 759 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 1: making up. And and it took me a very long time, um, 760 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,400 Speaker 1: to realize one part of the reason why there was 761 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:52,319 Speaker 1: so much volatility is because I was screaming into a 762 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,840 Speaker 1: mirror like I am my father in so many ways, 763 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 1: and so coming to that realization now it's like, well, 764 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 1: yeah I am um, you know, I can be very 765 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 1: strong headed. I I can be UM, you know more UM, 766 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,040 Speaker 1: you know, stick to my guns and and and say 767 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,320 Speaker 1: what I say and believe what I believe with conviction. 768 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 1: Although it's you know, maybe a little bit softer than 769 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 1: than his general approach is UM, but it's you know, 770 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:24,360 Speaker 1: like my very first UM major championship was with my 771 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 1: dad on my bag when I was seventeen years old 772 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,360 Speaker 1: playing at Pine Needles in the US Women's Open. I 773 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,640 Speaker 1: was a third low am that year. We had matching 774 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,759 Speaker 1: bike golf sandals that we would be going up and 775 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:40,879 Speaker 1: down the fairways in UM. My first professional tournament as 776 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,759 Speaker 1: a professional was with my dad on the bag. My 777 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,439 Speaker 1: first LPGA Tour start was with my dad on my bag, 778 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,879 Speaker 1: my very first win, he was there on my bag, 779 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,759 Speaker 1: my first Solheim Cup, my first Solheim Cup point, my 780 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,960 Speaker 1: dad was on the bag. And again because we're we're 781 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,960 Speaker 1: you know, I'm so fortunate that I can stay so 782 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,640 Speaker 1: focused on the moment and that a lot of times 783 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 1: you you don't necessarily think about those things which are 784 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,320 Speaker 1: so in your in the event you're over this shot, 785 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,359 Speaker 1: you're you know, working on this, you're working on that, 786 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,960 Speaker 1: and so you know, it's it's like there was a 787 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,239 Speaker 1: lot of screaming, as there always is with you know, 788 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,239 Speaker 1: with parents and things like that, and at the end 789 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:17,440 Speaker 1: of the day, it's just like, you know what, I 790 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,640 Speaker 1: love you, but I don't like you very much right now. 791 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,239 Speaker 1: So a lot of that, Whereas now it seems as 792 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 1: the last ten years, I I feel like everything that 793 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,840 Speaker 1: I say to my dad is thank you. I'm sorry, 794 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 1: you know, because I have a lot to to make 795 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,719 Speaker 1: up for. Um. But it's it was one obviously I 796 00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,000 Speaker 1: would never trade it for anything else. And just the 797 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,800 Speaker 1: realization of how special and how rare that was, um, 798 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 1: you know, being able to look back on that is 799 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:49,680 Speaker 1: just it. It still gives me. Um. We chuckle about 800 00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:51,359 Speaker 1: it a lot, and it does give me chills, and 801 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,240 Speaker 1: it's it's it's just something so special. But god damn 802 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 1: if it was not hard at the time, but nothing 803 00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,400 Speaker 1: worth having is. And that the sacrifices that you realizes, 804 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,040 Speaker 1: you know, once you're no longer a kid and you 805 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,720 Speaker 1: can actually look upon um, you know, your parents says 806 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,200 Speaker 1: as you know, beyond just parents, but just as human beings, 807 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:15,080 Speaker 1: and you're just like, I'm real sorry, Like you had 808 00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:19,200 Speaker 1: to endure a lot as a parent. You know, and um, 809 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,879 Speaker 1: it's just it's just awesome. Well this will interest both 810 00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,160 Speaker 1: both of you guys are interesting to know. So when 811 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,840 Speaker 1: when when Christina's dad sort of ordained she was going 812 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,040 Speaker 1: to take out golf as a girl for a solid month, 813 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,560 Speaker 1: she had to make three drivers swings in the backyard 814 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,880 Speaker 1: five hundred and they were It wasn't like hold the 815 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,719 Speaker 1: finish set, back up swing. It was back and through 816 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,840 Speaker 1: and back and through. So it was technically a thousand, 817 00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,560 Speaker 1: you know in that regard without actually a golf ball, 818 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 1: just swinging the club like oh there was a mat 819 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,920 Speaker 1: with the little yellow ball hanging on a rope on 820 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:56,719 Speaker 1: a hook. Ye, you didn't get to see it fly, 821 00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,719 Speaker 1: which is about idea why I was doing it. I 822 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:01,359 Speaker 1: just did it because I was told to do it. 823 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,080 Speaker 1: You know, I was a good kid in that regard. 824 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 1: I was just like all right, like I like, I'm 825 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:12,200 Speaker 1: still amazed at the determination. Like I don't think too 826 00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:16,319 Speaker 1: many kids would, would, you know, except that it's just 827 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,480 Speaker 1: there's no gratification, right, you don't get to you get 828 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 1: to see the ball take off down a fairway against 829 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,239 Speaker 1: the mountains whenever, just like swinging the club over and over, 830 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,520 Speaker 1: I can't even do that now, Like that amazes me. 831 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,680 Speaker 1: There's a little bit of a gratification by way of spite. 832 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,839 Speaker 1: I'll tell you that, Jeff, what was your entry into 833 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,440 Speaker 1: the game. I don't think I know this story, Like 834 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,279 Speaker 1: how did you fall in love with it? I don't know. 835 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:46,359 Speaker 1: Dad was always chipping in the back yard, I think, um, 836 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,960 Speaker 1: and I just followed him. I think like he got 837 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:50,719 Speaker 1: me a little cut down club and I went chipping out. 838 00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,600 Speaker 1: He had those little whiffle remember the whiffle balls, like 839 00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,719 Speaker 1: the ones of the house and the plastic ones used 840 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,120 Speaker 1: to be at it. We had like the I fry 841 00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,480 Speaker 1: but kind of like an ife pitched roof whatever one. 842 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:01,600 Speaker 1: He used to be able to hit him under the 843 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,080 Speaker 1: roof and they would bounce back down and it was 844 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,080 Speaker 1: like it would return the ball like almost the original net. 845 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,279 Speaker 1: So I love doing that. And then just he got 846 00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:11,799 Speaker 1: me a little halfset I think at some point, and 847 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:13,840 Speaker 1: he's just started taking me to the golf course. I 848 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:15,840 Speaker 1: don't know, like I just always wanted to do it. 849 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,280 Speaker 1: I mean we lived right next door to Rob Melbourne. Um, 850 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,480 Speaker 1: so you'd go on, you'd walk the dog as the 851 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,839 Speaker 1: family and I'd be looking for balls because they had 852 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:28,200 Speaker 1: like that, like the chain link fence all the way around. 853 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:29,560 Speaker 1: But every now and then you'd see a ball that 854 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,480 Speaker 1: might have been within arm width of the fence, you know, 855 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,360 Speaker 1: and you could find a ball. It was like gold. Um, 856 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,200 Speaker 1: and it was just always around like I just I 857 00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,040 Speaker 1: don't ever remember not doing it. You know, Dad loved it. 858 00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:45,560 Speaker 1: Mom got into it a bit later on. Um, Yeah, 859 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,880 Speaker 1: it was just he was he was just a He 860 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:49,879 Speaker 1: didn't sit on the couch. If he wasn't a male 861 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,480 Speaker 1: in the lawn or doing something in the garden, he 862 00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,760 Speaker 1: was chipping or hitting a tennis ball against the garage 863 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,160 Speaker 1: door or something. So I would just went out with 864 00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,120 Speaker 1: him and that was it. You remember the first time 865 00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:04,160 Speaker 1: you beat him. Um, it wasn't that big a deal. 866 00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:09,880 Speaker 1: I don't think. Um, he wasn't that competitive. He was competitive, 867 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,920 Speaker 1: but he wasn't competitive with his golf. Um, he just 868 00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,000 Speaker 1: enjoyed us playing. I think I think he probably. I 869 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,920 Speaker 1: don't think it was that. It wasn't that monumental occasion 870 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,680 Speaker 1: like more. I was more it was like benchmarks for myself, 871 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,439 Speaker 1: like when I broke a hundred, that I broke ninety, 872 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,160 Speaker 1: and then I broke eighty. Then it broke seventy and 873 00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,160 Speaker 1: then your handicapped down to scratch and all that sort 874 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,520 Speaker 1: of stuff. Like I think those sort of benchmarks were 875 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,719 Speaker 1: cooler for him. I don't think we even talked about it. 876 00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,400 Speaker 1: When I started hitting the past him, that was pretty 877 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:39,279 Speaker 1: fun because I remember all the way, going as far 878 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,200 Speaker 1: back as I can remember, it would be three shots 879 00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,960 Speaker 1: of mine to get to his, and then i'd get 880 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:46,719 Speaker 1: to the two shots if i'd get my second shot 881 00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,080 Speaker 1: past his, And then the next two months later, I'm 882 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,160 Speaker 1: getting my second shot like twenty past is, and then 883 00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,200 Speaker 1: three months later it's like thirty past years, and then 884 00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,359 Speaker 1: gradually you get your first shot up near his. Remember 885 00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:59,600 Speaker 1: when I started hitting it past him, that was fun. Um, yeah, 886 00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:05,640 Speaker 1: good Tims, Christina. The players on tour, now, there there 887 00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,560 Speaker 1: are some who are they're not half your age, but 888 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,279 Speaker 1: they're almost half your age, some that are less than 889 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,160 Speaker 1: half that are more than half my or less than 890 00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,600 Speaker 1: half my age. Yeah that's really something, isn't it. Uh? 891 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:21,000 Speaker 1: Because you're not even forty, you're thirty eight, right? Uh so, uh, 892 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:25,120 Speaker 1: what how do they approach you? Are they are they 893 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,600 Speaker 1: willing to ask you questions? Are they more likely to watch? 894 00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,000 Speaker 1: How are they different from what you were like as 895 00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:34,600 Speaker 1: a very young player on tour with with your tour elders. Um, well, 896 00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,960 Speaker 1: the kids are smarter in a lot of ways. I 897 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:43,680 Speaker 1: think they come better equipped. Um, but at in the 898 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:49,080 Speaker 1: same vein, I think that they and these aren't like 899 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:53,000 Speaker 1: digs or compliments or anything. These are just strictly observations 900 00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,160 Speaker 1: because they're potentially able to be better equipped and they 901 00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,320 Speaker 1: have access to a lot more things. Uh Um. I 902 00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,640 Speaker 1: feel like there's a little bit more onset of knowing 903 00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:07,200 Speaker 1: everything on the face of the earth at a slightly 904 00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:11,600 Speaker 1: younger age with more conviction than when I was a kid. Um, 905 00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:16,239 Speaker 1: But I mean I was. I was an annoying in 906 00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:25,600 Speaker 1: certain ways, sheltered um, oblivious, ignorant, blissed out kids living 907 00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:29,040 Speaker 1: her dream and I I you know, I I remember 908 00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,640 Speaker 1: my my first win. I was walking up the seventy 909 00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,440 Speaker 1: second hole Carrie Webb, who had been watching, you know 910 00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:38,359 Speaker 1: for for a long time. You know, at that point, um, 911 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,319 Speaker 1: there was one shot behind me and we've got this 912 00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,680 Speaker 1: par four, a long part four with water down the 913 00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:46,640 Speaker 1: entire left hand side and where Angela Stanford had her 914 00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:51,080 Speaker 1: ball plug underneath the lip and almost disappear, uh green side. 915 00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:52,279 Speaker 1: So we had to sit there and wait like an 916 00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,520 Speaker 1: additional like twelve minutes while I figured out what the 917 00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,400 Speaker 1: hell was going on. I'm just sitting there, like just 918 00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,600 Speaker 1: just trying to have a chin wag, and Webby like 919 00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,799 Speaker 1: looks at me and she's like, hey, like, don't take 920 00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:05,600 Speaker 1: this the wrong way, but like, you know, you've got 921 00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,560 Speaker 1: one shot lead, right, And I'm like and she's like, 922 00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,520 Speaker 1: and you know that I'm trying to beat you, right. 923 00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:14,839 Speaker 1: I was like, She's like uh, and she just kind 924 00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,600 Speaker 1: of walked away, and I was like, I hope you Bertie, 925 00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,080 Speaker 1: because I want to make Bertie too, you know. Like 926 00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,840 Speaker 1: it's just like it's just like it was just it 927 00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:23,640 Speaker 1: was so much I feel like it was much more 928 00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:28,160 Speaker 1: fun and not like work in a bad way. But 929 00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,759 Speaker 1: there's just something about you know, like growing up in 930 00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,440 Speaker 1: the nineties and just having that that that sense of 931 00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:37,120 Speaker 1: freedom and and ignorance and that lack of technology, I 932 00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,680 Speaker 1: think was something that was just so beautiful. You just 933 00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:41,640 Speaker 1: you'd go to the range and then you would find 934 00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:43,839 Speaker 1: you know, you get a bucket of balls, or I'd like, 935 00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:45,440 Speaker 1: you know, i'd help out a little bit at the 936 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,319 Speaker 1: golf course and they'd give me some privileges to do 937 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,640 Speaker 1: some extra things or whatever, and and you get out there, 938 00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,320 Speaker 1: you get balls and you just whack them. Like now 939 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,880 Speaker 1: I I I go to a tour event. If they 940 00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,680 Speaker 1: were like pro vs that are scuffed, I'm like, well, 941 00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:01,920 Speaker 1: I'm uping these guys. I'm not going to hit those 942 00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,680 Speaker 1: with my driver, you know. Like it it's as as 943 00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,279 Speaker 1: a kid, and I'm sure they were just like spherical 944 00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:13,320 Speaker 1: and white, yellow, orange painted. They'd say practice, they'd say dunlap, 945 00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,400 Speaker 1: they'd say strata like it didn't those things didn't matter. 946 00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,440 Speaker 1: So so it's it is. It is definitely different. But 947 00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:20,879 Speaker 1: there are some there are some some of the kids 948 00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,960 Speaker 1: that have no problem asking questions and actually have a 949 00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,839 Speaker 1: young girl, well she's twenty six, I should say she's Um, 950 00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,440 Speaker 1: she's actually competing at second stage right now, and and 951 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,320 Speaker 1: um the other golf course, I'm over at a Golden Ocalla. 952 00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,520 Speaker 1: She's she's been working there and is is you know, 953 00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,600 Speaker 1: got some backing from some of the members and and 954 00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,520 Speaker 1: is making her way. And in the last couple of years, 955 00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:47,279 Speaker 1: just you know, the director of golf was like, um, hey, 956 00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:48,719 Speaker 1: you know you want do you mind going out and 957 00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,160 Speaker 1: playing and let me letting me know, like what you 958 00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,279 Speaker 1: think and I was like, yeah, sure, like I don't 959 00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:55,759 Speaker 1: I like playing golf with people. So went out and 960 00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:57,920 Speaker 1: this girl she's got like I think she's got like 961 00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,640 Speaker 1: a hundred and eleven an hour club head speed but 962 00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:06,200 Speaker 1: flawed like fluid fluid you wouldn't know where the speed 963 00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,120 Speaker 1: comes from. And she was just like, hey, thanks so 964 00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:10,839 Speaker 1: much for playing. It was so much fun to set 965 00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:12,600 Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, dude, like nowhere, like here's 966 00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:14,920 Speaker 1: my number, like if you ever have any questions about stuff, 967 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:19,399 Speaker 1: like just ask me. And then she's she's got no 968 00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:23,759 Speaker 1: fear asking questions, which I love because there's so many 969 00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,239 Speaker 1: kids that are just like, you know, I don't want 970 00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,359 Speaker 1: to bother you, or you know, I'll be like, hey, 971 00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,520 Speaker 1: you know if you want to bounce some ideas off 972 00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,440 Speaker 1: of me, like I got like twenty minutes like let's go, 973 00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:34,319 Speaker 1: and they're just like are you sure? And I'm like, 974 00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,239 Speaker 1: can you at least pay me the service of respecting 975 00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:38,920 Speaker 1: the fact that if I say something to you, I 976 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,319 Speaker 1: genuinely mean it, Like if I don't want to talk 977 00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,000 Speaker 1: to you, I wouldn't have talked to you already, Like 978 00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,960 Speaker 1: I'm happy to offer this, like I'm I'm I'm I'm 979 00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,319 Speaker 1: letting you know, like don't with me, Like what you 980 00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,000 Speaker 1: see is what you get. If I say I've got 981 00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,160 Speaker 1: twenty minutes, boom, let's see what we can do in 982 00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,120 Speaker 1: twenty minutes, and then we'll probably end up going over. 983 00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:58,120 Speaker 1: But that's okay, too um. But she's you know, she's 984 00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,480 Speaker 1: she's just she's just my little rocks and I'm just 985 00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:04,440 Speaker 1: like super super excited to see how her career kind 986 00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,359 Speaker 1: of goes from here on now. And you know, just 987 00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,719 Speaker 1: it's nice to see kids that ask questions. And then 988 00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:15,240 Speaker 1: like last week we worked on like t position based 989 00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:18,480 Speaker 1: off of wind and how the wind can change to 990 00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,759 Speaker 1: you know, it could be two hours difference between where 991 00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:23,440 Speaker 1: you're you know, what side of the tea box you're 992 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,600 Speaker 1: teeing off from. And just seeing that like click in 993 00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:29,239 Speaker 1: her brain was like so gratifying to me. And it's 994 00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:30,839 Speaker 1: one of those things where I'm just like people don't 995 00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:35,200 Speaker 1: ask questions anymore. They just everybody knows everything, and I 996 00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,319 Speaker 1: know I know nothing because I just want to learn 997 00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,359 Speaker 1: everything that I can. So to see someone that's like, hey, 998 00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,239 Speaker 1: you know, I you know something, can you help me? 999 00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,560 Speaker 1: And I'm just like you think I know something. Oh 1000 00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:50,080 Speaker 1: my goodness, Okay, well, like let's fucking go. Does this 1001 00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,880 Speaker 1: go for? Have a name Christina? Her name is Destiny Lawson. 1002 00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,440 Speaker 1: She is a Class A p g A member because 1003 00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,840 Speaker 1: she went to fair Estate through their PGM program, and 1004 00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,840 Speaker 1: so yeah, she's she's Class A. Her name is Destiny, 1005 00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:07,080 Speaker 1: really Destiny. Her name is Destiny. We call her d 1006 00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:11,000 Speaker 1: law Um. Yeah. It's not to sound like a bunch 1007 00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,360 Speaker 1: of old farts here, but it is amazing because I 1008 00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,480 Speaker 1: have college kids reach out to me on Twitter say, oh, 1009 00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,640 Speaker 1: I want to be a sportswriter. You know, can I 1010 00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,520 Speaker 1: pick your brain for some advice? And of course I 1011 00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,920 Speaker 1: always say yes. I was like, call me on Tuesday 1012 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,680 Speaker 1: at two o'clock, here's my number, and they won't call. 1013 00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:31,120 Speaker 1: I'm flabbergasted because, like when I was up and coming, 1014 00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,440 Speaker 1: if I had a chance to talk to Michael Bamberger 1015 00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:35,880 Speaker 1: like I was living for, I got to plan my 1016 00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:39,359 Speaker 1: week around it. And this has happened so often. I'm 1017 00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,480 Speaker 1: realizing this is like some sort of weird generational thing, 1018 00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,160 Speaker 1: Like I don't know if it's states if I can't, 1019 00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,000 Speaker 1: I can't define what it is, but I know of 1020 00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,280 Speaker 1: what you speak, Like there there seems to be this barrier, 1021 00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,120 Speaker 1: maybe because everyone lives their life on their phone now 1022 00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,960 Speaker 1: that they're the human interaction is too much. I don't know, 1023 00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,040 Speaker 1: but I've been stood up so many times by college 1024 00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:01,000 Speaker 1: kids and maybe it's just my personality. I don't know, 1025 00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,480 Speaker 1: but it just seems like, yeah, that that that curiosity 1026 00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,439 Speaker 1: has dissipated as a as a as a as a thing, 1027 00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,799 Speaker 1: and so I'm happy to hear that that you're you're 1028 00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:13,319 Speaker 1: finding people to mentor because it's not always easy. I'm 1029 00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:17,239 Speaker 1: sorry to be laughing, but what college kid calls on 1030 00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:21,239 Speaker 1: the phone though out well, because well I don't want 1031 00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:22,839 Speaker 1: to text with someone for half an hour, like if 1032 00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,719 Speaker 1: they want career advice, hop on a zoom hop on 1033 00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:31,120 Speaker 1: like a Microsoft team's thing or something like that. Do 1034 00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:35,879 Speaker 1: voice notes, kids do voice notes all the time. Dean 1035 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,080 Speaker 1: Beamon returned my call today. I called Dean Beamon and 1036 00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:43,640 Speaker 1: he called me back and he left me his phone number. Yeah, 1037 00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,400 Speaker 1: that's that's well, he's eighty five. That that should happen. 1038 00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,560 Speaker 1: But Christie, who's the biggest legend in golf that you 1039 00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:54,919 Speaker 1: have played with? Male? Male or female or otherwise? Oh 1040 00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:06,160 Speaker 1: it would be for me either. Lorraino oh Chowa, I'm 1041 00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,759 Speaker 1: very biased as well as part of the reason, like 1042 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,839 Speaker 1: that she's just straight up sticking out in my mind, 1043 00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,839 Speaker 1: or Serri Pok the kind of impact that the two 1044 00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,040 Speaker 1: of them have had, Like because with Sari Pok, like 1045 00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:26,200 Speaker 1: her her, the way that she was able to change 1046 00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:31,280 Speaker 1: the face of golf for like people talk about Tiger 1047 00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,920 Speaker 1: Woods and there's no question about that. But the impact 1048 00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:38,480 Speaker 1: that Seri Pok had on golf in Asia, I think 1049 00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:42,480 Speaker 1: is is you can't even compare the two. It is 1050 00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,440 Speaker 1: just unbelieved. It's it's I think it's got to be Saie. 1051 00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,880 Speaker 1: It's got to be Saie for me personally, Um, I 1052 00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,520 Speaker 1: caddied for John Daily a couple of couple of months 1053 00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:57,920 Speaker 1: ago and a random long, just random sort of situation thing. Um, 1054 00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,360 Speaker 1: and he's just he's a legend in a in a 1055 00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:05,560 Speaker 1: completely different sense. Um. But you know, yeah, I would, 1056 00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:06,759 Speaker 1: I would. I would have to say it's got to 1057 00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,160 Speaker 1: be Seray PoCA. Lorena is a very close second. But 1058 00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:10,919 Speaker 1: I think that there is a there is a fair 1059 00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,719 Speaker 1: bit of bias in that in that initial response. Well, 1060 00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,800 Speaker 1: and so we had she was like had a queenly presence. 1061 00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:21,400 Speaker 1: I mean, she was she was like Regal, There's something 1062 00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,879 Speaker 1: about her, the way she carried herself obviously, the way 1063 00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,360 Speaker 1: she played the game was so beautiful. But she's still 1064 00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,800 Speaker 1: in Korea. She will go out in big glasses, scarf 1065 00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,919 Speaker 1: around her neck, and people will in a big gass 1066 00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,240 Speaker 1: hat and people will be like, I know those thighs 1067 00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:40,319 Speaker 1: and chase her around Korea. It is unbelievable. As Jeff 1068 00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,359 Speaker 1: about it, Jeff, do you remember Sarry Peck when she 1069 00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:46,200 Speaker 1: first came on the scene, Not not so much the 1070 00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,680 Speaker 1: madness about it, but the quality of that golf swing. 1071 00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,080 Speaker 1: I don't know that women's got and there was Mickey 1072 00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,400 Speaker 1: Wright who was in class by yourself. But Jeff, do 1073 00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,359 Speaker 1: you remember looking at her swing when she first came 1074 00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:58,759 Speaker 1: on the scene. Yeah, yeah, because that was kind of 1075 00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,600 Speaker 1: just before Carry was coming out, and Carry sort of 1076 00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,120 Speaker 1: made Australians pay attention to the r p g A Again. 1077 00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:09,520 Speaker 1: I think you know she was a proper legend um. 1078 00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,000 Speaker 1: So I remember watching A, remember watching it a a little 1079 00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:16,839 Speaker 1: bit um and loving her action. Yeah. I can't say 1080 00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,520 Speaker 1: I could picture it right now, but I remember being 1081 00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,719 Speaker 1: impressed with her game. I mean, her and Anika and 1082 00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:28,319 Speaker 1: Carry just showed just elevated the level I feel like 1083 00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,600 Speaker 1: to me, I mean, I hadn't been watching enough before. 1084 00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,799 Speaker 1: That's probably a ridiculous thing to say, but they played 1085 00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,400 Speaker 1: such a high level of golf there that um it 1086 00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,680 Speaker 1: got me watching. To be honest. Yeah, I would say 1087 00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,279 Speaker 1: I would say Car in Surrey Pack really come out 1088 00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,280 Speaker 1: of that scene. But it was so round and so beautiful, 1089 00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:48,120 Speaker 1: and Ernie very similarly, and and Michelle we as a 1090 00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:52,400 Speaker 1: team literally at thirteen was the same. Just so beautiful 1091 00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:56,040 Speaker 1: and so rhythmic. It was what a spectacular swimming, What 1092 00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,480 Speaker 1: an exciting time for women's golf, and as you say, 1093 00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:04,000 Speaker 1: Christina grew the game and incredibly. I mean, and look 1094 00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:07,560 Speaker 1: at the LPG today really well you know when Justin 1095 00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,719 Speaker 1: Rose and Jordan Speed and all these formerly young but 1096 00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,440 Speaker 1: now you know it's the thirties. Golfers talk about tiger Woods, 1097 00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,960 Speaker 1: but that's every Pack influences every bit of significant on 1098 00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:21,120 Speaker 1: the LPG h to this day. Yeah, yeah, I know 1099 00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,640 Speaker 1: she was special and thinking about carry, I mean, I 1100 00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:25,239 Speaker 1: think car is one of the greatest athletes I've ever 1101 00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:29,239 Speaker 1: seen in golf. Because it was actually in Australia, went 1102 00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,799 Speaker 1: down there to cover the on the LPG event and 1103 00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,600 Speaker 1: she wound up, Um, they I can get this, my verbon. 1104 00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,720 Speaker 1: She was bowling? Is that right? When when you're playing, um, 1105 00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:42,439 Speaker 1: when you're playing cricket, is she's the bowler? I mean 1106 00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:46,480 Speaker 1: she she had the velocity and she was like dancing 1107 00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,080 Speaker 1: out there, and it was like an eye opener, like 1108 00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,279 Speaker 1: it was all it was all the golfers were playing 1109 00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,920 Speaker 1: and she was at a completely different level, just the 1110 00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,120 Speaker 1: way the way she moved, and it was like, Okay, 1111 00:56:58,120 --> 00:56:59,640 Speaker 1: now I kind of get it like this not just 1112 00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:03,360 Speaker 1: as an I swing, like she's a supreme athlete. That 1113 00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:07,440 Speaker 1: was That was a moment of clarity for me. Christian. 1114 00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,160 Speaker 1: When you think of women's majors, how many, how many? 1115 00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:15,440 Speaker 1: How many are there in your mind? I would say 1116 00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,600 Speaker 1: this is by far the longest pause you've had from 1117 00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:24,880 Speaker 1: Christina on anything. I mean trying to think if I 1118 00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:30,440 Speaker 1: want to round up to four. It's such a good answer. 1119 00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,400 Speaker 1: I mean if we were talking five years ago then yeah, 1120 00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:38,760 Speaker 1: or even three years ago, yeah, the answer would have 1121 00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:44,000 Speaker 1: been four. Okay, you feel like the dinosaur has been diminished. 1122 00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:49,200 Speaker 1: It's it's I just i I'm I'm very sad that 1123 00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,280 Speaker 1: we have left Palm Springs and that we have left 1124 00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,160 Speaker 1: a golf course that was designed specifically for us and 1125 00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,760 Speaker 1: our major championship. And I'm sad that we're no longer 1126 00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:00,720 Speaker 1: going to have a leap into pop He's pond and 1127 00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:05,360 Speaker 1: I am sad that, um, we're going to Texas. And 1128 00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:09,000 Speaker 1: the announcement was made, Um, you know when they were 1129 00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:11,720 Speaker 1: talking about wanting to do abortion bands and things like that, 1130 00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:15,560 Speaker 1: like you know, funny stuff. UM. And I was sad 1131 00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:20,080 Speaker 1: that there was a group of the membership over at 1132 00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,360 Speaker 1: Mission Hills that was happy to see us go and 1133 00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:25,000 Speaker 1: didn't want us back there anyway for the last few years. 1134 00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:30,600 Speaker 1: And I'm um and and above all else like Chevron 1135 00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,080 Speaker 1: have done that, I will admit, like freely admit they've 1136 00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:36,120 Speaker 1: done an unbelievable job with the tournament. And I've seen 1137 00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:38,640 Speaker 1: it go from you know, the the from the Kraft 1138 00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:41,720 Speaker 1: Nabisco to just yeah, the Kraft Nabisco to just the Craft, 1139 00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:43,640 Speaker 1: and then from the Craft, you know, it was the 1140 00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,160 Speaker 1: a and a inspiration and then now it's you know, 1141 00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:49,080 Speaker 1: the Chevron. So I've seen I've seen different iterations of 1142 00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:53,160 Speaker 1: this tournament by way of sponsors. Um. And it was 1143 00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:57,160 Speaker 1: a Dinoshoan at Kraft Nibisco as well. UM. But the 1144 00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:00,000 Speaker 1: fact that it's unknown. I don't know the golf courp 1145 00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,320 Speaker 1: us that we're going to in Texas. I don't know 1146 00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:06,520 Speaker 1: what my thoughts are of playing in Texas at that 1147 00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:09,560 Speaker 1: time of year. I I don't know what types of 1148 00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:13,080 Speaker 1: traditions they're going to try and not try, but they 1149 00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:16,280 Speaker 1: are going to create for us. And um, you know, 1150 00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,680 Speaker 1: the the legacy of what Amy Alcott did by jumping 1151 00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:22,960 Speaker 1: into Poppies gunky Aspond that year for that very first 1152 00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:26,800 Speaker 1: time is it embodies so much of the spirit of 1153 00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,800 Speaker 1: the game and the fact that we've left that is 1154 00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:33,920 Speaker 1: is difficult. UM. So I only say rounding up to 1155 00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:35,560 Speaker 1: four because I don't know what it's going to be 1156 00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:38,720 Speaker 1: like in Texas. UM, but I love that. You know 1157 00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:41,800 Speaker 1: what the RNA has done with um you know what 1158 00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,560 Speaker 1: the A I G Women's Open, and you know the 1159 00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:47,040 Speaker 1: the U S the U S Women's Open is. You 1160 00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,120 Speaker 1: know that was always cream of the crop for me. 1161 00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:53,000 Speaker 1: That was always the biggest dream of my life. And 1162 00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:56,840 Speaker 1: KPMG with the Women's PG Championship have really stepped up 1163 00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,440 Speaker 1: and they are they are knocking on the door for 1164 01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:04,000 Speaker 1: most incredible major in in in the women's game for 1165 01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:06,080 Speaker 1: me right now, but I do you know, it's it's 1166 01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:09,120 Speaker 1: it's a nice battle to be able to witness and 1167 01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:13,840 Speaker 1: and partake in. UM. But truth be told, nothing will 1168 01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:18,120 Speaker 1: ever top the U S Women's Open for me. UM. 1169 01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:21,280 Speaker 1: And you know it's it's it's just nice, you know, 1170 01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:25,200 Speaker 1: just knowing that you know, the Women's Open, you know 1171 01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:28,280 Speaker 1: is has only you know, it's only been a major 1172 01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:32,280 Speaker 1: for what twenty twenty some years, twenty one year or 1173 01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:38,400 Speaker 1: something like that. UM, so you know, there's yeah. And 1174 01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:46,320 Speaker 1: then we got heavy on yeah. Indeed, um little tournaments 1175 01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:54,120 Speaker 1: didn't pay for their for their major role. Spicy but correct. Um, 1176 01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,720 Speaker 1: well that might that might be like the mic drop 1177 01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:59,560 Speaker 1: we need here to to end this podcast, Jeff, Jeff 1178 01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:02,200 Speaker 1: use a term little bit earlier about a different player, 1179 01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:05,080 Speaker 1: but proper legend. I think, I think in your own way, 1180 01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:09,800 Speaker 1: c K like you've you've been a huge force out 1181 01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,920 Speaker 1: there on the LPGA just UM, and it's awesome to 1182 01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:16,000 Speaker 1: hear your thoughts and so many different things. Um, we 1183 01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:18,200 Speaker 1: finally got this done. It was a little scheduling challenge, 1184 01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:20,160 Speaker 1: so thank you. But I should I should mention that 1185 01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:23,840 Speaker 1: Christina is using my daughter's laptop my microphone. I went 1186 01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:25,600 Speaker 1: to Best Buy to get the little doo hickey to 1187 01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:29,000 Speaker 1: connect them, which I didn't find until like a couple 1188 01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,520 Speaker 1: of minutes before we came on, and I was like, Alan, 1189 01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:34,240 Speaker 1: what the fuck? When we did our podcast, it was 1190 01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:37,800 Speaker 1: always something happening. There was always some sort of a 1191 01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:42,000 Speaker 1: glitch somewhere something. He'd always show up four minutes late 1192 01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:45,640 Speaker 1: like this that like you've made You've made some big strides, Alan, 1193 01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:48,880 Speaker 1: I'm proud of you and I've missed you. Yeah, I 1194 01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:51,880 Speaker 1: know me too. I'm so happy your back on these airwaves. 1195 01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,959 Speaker 1: Um boys, before we before we let Christina go, any 1196 01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:59,400 Speaker 1: any parting thoughts, Well, it's just so governed nerdy. I'm 1197 01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,800 Speaker 1: afraid to bring it up. But Christine and uh Jeff 1198 01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:05,720 Speaker 1: hit a wooden driver today, and I'm curious if you 1199 01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:09,320 Speaker 1: ever have done that in your life. Absolutely, I loved 1200 01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:13,360 Speaker 1: per Simmons. I actually have a special edition Niblick back 1201 01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,720 Speaker 1: at the house. Her name is Josephine because she is beautiful, 1202 01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:22,400 Speaker 1: but she's a complete um. And my my boyfriend Duncan 1203 01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:25,000 Speaker 1: has a full set of hickory sticks. Um, I've got 1204 01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:28,400 Speaker 1: a replica gutty ball. I yeah, I mean I I 1205 01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:30,960 Speaker 1: I like to kind of joke and and say, you know, 1206 01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,120 Speaker 1: I because I actually started playing golf. It was like 1207 01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:38,160 Speaker 1: in ninety five night. Yeah, towards the end of ninety five. 1208 01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,480 Speaker 1: And so we had, you know, like the original tailor 1209 01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:44,439 Speaker 1: made burner, which was the metal head, you know, and 1210 01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:47,200 Speaker 1: and and so I but my dad, we do have 1211 01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:50,960 Speaker 1: a few per Simmons and and and wooden golf clubs 1212 01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,320 Speaker 1: back at the house. And I have played with a few, 1213 01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:57,280 Speaker 1: and I am still in complete awe over the golf 1214 01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:59,600 Speaker 1: clubs that they used back in the day, if nothing more, 1215 01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:03,440 Speaker 1: because the grips are so i you know, I mean 1216 01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:06,240 Speaker 1: these grips I'm using are you know, nine years old. 1217 01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:08,760 Speaker 1: So for me, they're just basically made out of criscoe. 1218 01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:12,680 Speaker 1: But um, just the way of they've been able to 1219 01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,440 Speaker 1: use their hands back in those days with those unbelievable 1220 01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:19,040 Speaker 1: golf clubs is it's pretty badass. Jeff. What was the 1221 01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:22,400 Speaker 1: experience like for you today with a wooden club? Oh, 1222 01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:24,400 Speaker 1: it's always fun. It was fun. I mean it goes 1223 01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:28,600 Speaker 1: sidewise when you miss it, which is a problem. Um, 1224 01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:30,520 Speaker 1: you gotta take it up a lot lower to like 1225 01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:34,320 Speaker 1: that head is small, You've got to tee it up lower, 1226 01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,960 Speaker 1: and you have to almost have a negative angle of attack, 1227 01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:40,000 Speaker 1: like it's it's the way that we all used to play, 1228 01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:42,560 Speaker 1: you know, we never no one ever swung up on 1229 01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:44,960 Speaker 1: the driver back in the day with those you know, 1230 01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:49,280 Speaker 1: those those small metal heads. Yeah, that's true. It's definitely different, 1231 01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:52,400 Speaker 1: but you adjust. It's good fun like it is great fun. 1232 01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:55,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I would advise anybody who really loves golf 1233 01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:57,760 Speaker 1: to like fun. I don't anybody else something and just 1234 01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:00,120 Speaker 1: do it once a month or something. It's great on 1235 01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:04,520 Speaker 1: it's just a different It's like drawing a manual transmission car. Right, 1236 01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:06,520 Speaker 1: It's just you're just a bit more involved or something. 1237 01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:09,080 Speaker 1: It's just something awe about it with a bull's eye, 1238 01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,680 Speaker 1: you know. Every now and then, it's just good. It's fun. 1239 01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:16,240 Speaker 1: That's great. I love it. Well, So Christina, you now 1240 01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:18,320 Speaker 1: have to leave the conversation. It's like high school. You 1241 01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:19,960 Speaker 1: leave the room and then we're gonna talk about you. 1242 01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:25,600 Speaker 1: So okay. Well, um, if I can say thank you 1243 01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:28,280 Speaker 1: guys and these podcasts, it's not I'm not picking on you. 1244 01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:31,120 Speaker 1: This is a tradition. Thank you very much for having 1245 01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:33,960 Speaker 1: had me on. It was taking out with you guys, 1246 01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:39,440 Speaker 1: and I will I'll see y'all later, I guess I 1247 01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:44,200 Speaker 1: was glad to get her in your past. Well that 1248 01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:47,280 Speaker 1: was fun. She's just unique, man, I've always loved Christina. 1249 01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:49,680 Speaker 1: How did that come about that you wrote a book 1250 01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:53,960 Speaker 1: with her? It goes back to she was in in 1251 01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:56,720 Speaker 1: two thousand and two and three. I was in the 1252 01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:58,680 Speaker 1: offices in sports I'll start working as an editor, as 1253 01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:01,080 Speaker 1: you'll recall, Michael, and that was when Christina kind of 1254 01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:03,320 Speaker 1: burst onto the scene and I was just so fascinated 1255 01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:06,640 Speaker 1: by her, but never and her interviews were a riot, 1256 01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:09,400 Speaker 1: and I never really got a chance to be around her. 1257 01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:10,720 Speaker 1: So when I went back on the beat and know 1258 01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:12,400 Speaker 1: fore I said I wanted to write about Christina Kim, 1259 01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:14,920 Speaker 1: it was like top of my list, and we just 1260 01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:16,959 Speaker 1: really hit it off. You know. She grew up about 1261 01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:19,120 Speaker 1: sixty miles from where I did here in northern California, 1262 01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:22,640 Speaker 1: and she was very much a California kid, and her 1263 01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:26,160 Speaker 1: dad was crazy and they were still traveling in this big, 1264 01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:29,960 Speaker 1: huge beating up van and every She was just so unique, 1265 01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:33,040 Speaker 1: even back then, the crazy outfits and um. So then 1266 01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:35,840 Speaker 1: we just always stayed in touch. And you know, fast 1267 01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:38,920 Speaker 1: forward almost ten years and she had had a very 1268 01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:42,480 Speaker 1: eclectic career and I was looking for a kind of 1269 01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:45,880 Speaker 1: a book project, but something that was gonna be somewhat contained, 1270 01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,680 Speaker 1: you know, just and so I we just it's basically 1271 01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:50,840 Speaker 1: a die of her season. It's in her voice. I 1272 01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:52,800 Speaker 1: was just a ghostwriter. But we had a lot of 1273 01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:54,360 Speaker 1: meals and we spend a lot of time on the phone, 1274 01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:57,840 Speaker 1: and it was a great pleasure. And obviously Christie is 1275 01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:00,200 Speaker 1: not afraid to tell it like it is. So it's 1276 01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:02,840 Speaker 1: a very honest book about her own struggles about life 1277 01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:06,440 Speaker 1: on tour, about um, you know, all the clicks in 1278 01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:09,560 Speaker 1: the LPGA and everything in between. So so we've we've 1279 01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:14,760 Speaker 1: always been you know, friends, and we've always been closed. No, 1280 01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:17,720 Speaker 1: so I'll have to read it. Yeah, well I'll bring 1281 01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:19,840 Speaker 1: you one, Jeff, when I come down to the Sandfeld Classic. 1282 01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,400 Speaker 1: So alright, there we go back a twoitcase full of books. 1283 01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:24,919 Speaker 1: All right, we better we better let Jeff go. He's 1284 01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:27,000 Speaker 1: not only did drink like two glasses of red wine 1285 01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:29,360 Speaker 1: during this podcast because a little scale, little tournament golf 1286 01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:32,480 Speaker 1: to play tomorrow, So all right, we'll be ready to 1287 01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:36,400 Speaker 1: get the woods out. Yeah exactly. You guys have a 1288 01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:41,720 Speaker 1: lot of balls for that. No, we're using button balls. Um, 1289 01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:44,200 Speaker 1: I don't think the old ones. I've got some blatas, 1290 01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:47,840 Speaker 1: some old like three two hundreds and stuff, and they 1291 01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:50,560 Speaker 1: just don't. I think they must have had a use 1292 01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:53,040 Speaker 1: by date or something. Plats don't think. I mean, does 1293 01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:55,760 Speaker 1: anybody have like because I definitely don't go how they 1294 01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:58,160 Speaker 1: used to go. I mean I went, great, No, we're 1295 01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:03,320 Speaker 1: near like mudern bowls. But I mean I mean Jack 1296 01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:05,360 Speaker 1: and Greg and wat to Tom and said, you know, 1297 01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:06,880 Speaker 1: and I used to hit a miles, right, I mean 1298 01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:12,040 Speaker 1: I used to grow when I had niled one. Um. Yeah. Different, 1299 01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:15,480 Speaker 1: but yeah, modern bowls, that's quite fun. It's different. Well 1300 01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:18,080 Speaker 1: that's like, yeah, I'm sure there is some decompass. And 1301 01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:20,560 Speaker 1: I saw this this funny thing on social media where 1302 01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:24,400 Speaker 1: it was like this highbrow salt that was said, mind 1303 01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:27,760 Speaker 1: from from the you know, the Great Salt Flats of 1304 01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:31,000 Speaker 1: Ethiopia or whatever, two fifty million years ago it was created. 1305 01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:37,480 Speaker 1: It's like sell by July because it's it's a plastic packaging, 1306 01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:39,919 Speaker 1: so you know, I think it's I think you're onto 1307 01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:43,320 Speaker 1: something there, Jeff. But well, well then well done by 1308 01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:48,160 Speaker 1: you forgetting Christina to uh to join us. That was terrific. 1309 01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:50,760 Speaker 1: And uh, I never really focused on the length of 1310 01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:54,120 Speaker 1: her career. But you know, for twenty years of keeping 1311 01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:57,400 Speaker 1: your card and I'm gonna guess making more money than 1312 01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:01,040 Speaker 1: she spent for twenty straight years, as Jeff would a 1313 01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:03,800 Speaker 1: test not easy to do and then you and then 1314 01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:07,720 Speaker 1: you throw in the yips and mental struggles and just 1315 01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:11,840 Speaker 1: life on the road and it's hard. And I give 1316 01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:16,640 Speaker 1: for a tremendous amount of credit for doing what she's done. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, 1317 01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:19,120 Speaker 1: twenty year is a long time, A long time, still 1318 01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:22,400 Speaker 1: full of life, you know, and uh yeah, she's she 1319 01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:26,960 Speaker 1: brings the energy to everything. I mean, you know, I've 1320 01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:31,360 Speaker 1: never seen her not be that bubbly and so should 1321 01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:35,840 Speaker 1: be a future Solheim Cup captain, that's a great question. 1322 01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:38,920 Speaker 1: And she's had a nice career. The politics of those seeings, 1323 01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:40,720 Speaker 1: Jeff knows better than anybody else. You know, he's wearing 1324 01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:44,640 Speaker 1: the international hat right now, so for the from the 1325 01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:47,720 Speaker 1: President's Cup, So she would be in the running. I 1326 01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:50,560 Speaker 1: mean I think she would. She would be galvanizing and 1327 01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:52,320 Speaker 1: I think she'd be great fun. And you know it 1328 01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:55,040 Speaker 1: is it's a performative aspect to being the captain. You know, 1329 01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:56,920 Speaker 1: there's a lot of media. You've got to get people 1330 01:08:56,920 --> 01:09:00,000 Speaker 1: excited and she'd be incredible at that, so I would 1331 01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:04,280 Speaker 1: support it, but who knows how these decisions get made. Yeah, 1332 01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:07,439 Speaker 1: thanks for bringing it on. Yeah, you got it all right? Well, 1333 01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:11,120 Speaker 1: this was another need of fourth. We will be doing 1334 01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:15,720 Speaker 1: these every week for perpetuity if we can we can. 1335 01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:18,760 Speaker 1: Jeff's like, goll, get you out of here. Where's the 1336 01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:22,120 Speaker 1: weak button? Jeff? You are you? Are you playing with Fred? Tomorrow? 1337 01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:26,360 Speaker 1: With Fred? Yeah? Are you? And he? Partners May and 1338 01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:30,240 Speaker 1: Fred a Potner's against Sander and Dane Wilson. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1339 01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:32,200 Speaker 1: Just in case anyone listening is not clear, this is 1340 01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:36,719 Speaker 1: jeff'son in Oceanside for the Wishbone Brawl, annual um charity 1341 01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:40,080 Speaker 1: fundraiser for for junior golf. And you get these these 1342 01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:42,960 Speaker 1: great players playing with per simmon On at Goat Hill, 1343 01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:45,880 Speaker 1: which is only less than five thousand yards but quite 1344 01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:48,360 Speaker 1: a fun little test. No Gallery Ropes is one of 1345 01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:50,920 Speaker 1: the really cool events and in all of golf, and 1346 01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:54,360 Speaker 1: so we'll be cheering for for Jeff and Fred for sure. 1347 01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:58,799 Speaker 1: We're gonna wrap up this podcast for Jeff Vogilvie, Michael Bamberger, 1348 01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:00,760 Speaker 1: I'm aland Chef Nick. This was need a fourth and 1349 01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:08,920 Speaker 1: we'll do it again soon. Mm hmmm mm hm. Oh 1350 01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:10,679 Speaker 1: my god, it's a dangerous group here