WEBVTT - Questlove Supreme: Huey Lewis 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:04.000 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:14.200 Supreme So Supremo, Roll Call Supremo Supremo Roll Call Supreme 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:20.720 Supremo Roll Call Supreme Supremo. 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:24.160 Roll This is the brother. Yeah, no one asked Quest Lover. 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:25.959 Yeah and I may. 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:36.800 Yeah Supremo roll Call Supreme So Supreme roll Call. 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:38.000 My name is Sugar. 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:38.640 Yeah. 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:42.400 I want a new drug Yeah, I want old drugs too. 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:42.800 Yeah. 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:44.240 Just give me all your drugs. 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:52.720 Supreme Supreme Roll Supreme Supremo roll Call. 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:56.640 I'm on pay bill Yeah, and I can't complain. 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Yeah, 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:48.200 I'm president the count for at the Suprema Row. 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:56.680 Supremo Supremo, roll call Suprema Son Son Supremo, roll Call 0:01:57.200 --> 0:02:01.760 Supremo Supremo Supremo. 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:14.600 Yeah, that's cool. Yes, absolutely, Ladies and gentlemen, welcome, Oh yeah, welcome. 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:18.840 That's what I welcome to another episode of course Love Supreme. 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:22.560 I am your host, uh quest Love, and we thank 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:25.960 you for joining us. Joining us is a team Supreme. 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:28.799 We got a boss Bill in the house. Hello, and 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:30.360 unpaid Bill in the house. 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:30.799 Yeah. 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:34.560 And we have Sugar Steve that's correct. Yeah, and we have. 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:36.560 K God. 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:37.080 You got it right. 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:37.440 Yeah. 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:40.119 Well, I'll never get your name wrong, that's true. 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:41.679 Yeah. 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:50.280 I will say that our guest today is one of 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:51.359 my personal favorites. 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:57.919 He's a fine singer, steeped in the tradition of what 0:02:58.080 --> 0:03:01.639 I What I'll say is blue eyed lose with a 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:05.239 tinge of raspy soul on the side, A hell of 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:10.160 a blues heart man, definitely hell of that. He's fronted 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:13.000 one of the in my opinion, one of the sharpest 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:19.959 units in music. Over twenty top ten singles sold plenty 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:23.480 of thirty million account of thirty million albums in the 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:25.440 past thirty plus years. 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:28.799 I don't want to sound forty years. It sounds like 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:29.200 a lot. 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:30.680 I'm embarrassing. 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:32.760 No, we've just begun. 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:37.240 Not to mention. I'd like to say that, you know 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:43.720 what can't be ignored is their foray into really effective 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:50.080 music videos and using humor and personality during the age 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:53.200 of the dawning of MTV's rise, really captured our hearts 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:56.520 of millions. I'm trying my hardest to not sound like 0:03:57.080 --> 0:04:01.200 Patrick Bateman of American Psycho. 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:06.800 He is fronted one of my favorite favorite favorite units. 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:10.920 I'll say that their their live performance kicks ass. Their 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:15.480 harmonies are bar none, the music everything's in there. Ladies 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:18.960 and gentlemen, please welcome to quest Lop Supreme. Sir Hugh 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:20.600 Anthony Craig. 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:24.960 The Third, No, Mas, Hugh Lewis test. 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:27.720 Up Supreme, Thank you, thank you, thank you. Great to 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:28.040 be here. 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:28.760 How goes it? 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:32.160 Good? Good good. I've had a little trouble getting here. 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:36.520 You know, I'm I live in Montana. Really yeah, so 0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:38.279 more cheese, less rats. 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:44.880 So you're you're you're just a lifetime nomad kind of 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:47.880 really well, I've been on the road for you know, forever. 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:52.960 We you know, I have a driver who reminded me 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:55.720 that I you know, I lost my hearing here a 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:58.360 year and nine months ago and haven't been able to 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:01.720 work because I can't hear music well enough. But so 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:04.480 I've been in one place sometimes more than My driver 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:07.080 reminded me that after forty years of driving me, he 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:09.360 can't ever remember me being in one place for more 0:05:09.400 --> 0:05:10.080 than three weeks. 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:13.360 I was going to say, like, I know of your 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:18.880 history of traveling since your youth. Where do you. 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:22.479 I won't say where do you consider home? But what's 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:25.279 your sentimental that's home? 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:26.919 San Francisco? Okay. 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:33.240 More importantly, when all is said and done, where would 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:34.520 you like to rest? 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:40.599 Probably Montana? Really probably Montana. It's beautiful, air is clean, 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:45.160 you got animals, got tons of animals, all kinds of wildlife. 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:46.080 We got horses. 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:49.080 And so you lived on you live on a ranch. 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:50.960 I do a little ranches. Yeah. 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:54.760 So you and Kanye know something that none of us see, 0:05:56.040 --> 0:05:58.800 none of us sentence before. So this is the thing. 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:02.880 I never start this show on at the end, but 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:06.240 sell me on Montana, Like, tell me why because you 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:06.920 know something? 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:11.400 Kanye knows something. I'm hearing a few other celebrities sort of. 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:15.240 Unspoiled, not too many people, more critters, you know, it's 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:17.720 just out if you like the outdoors. And I love 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:20.800 the outdoors, it's a it's it's a great place. 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:22.160 Just Kanye love the outdoors. 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:24.239 Well, he loves Montana. 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:27.159 I mean we've mentioned Kanye way too much on this episode. 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:27.800 Can we can? 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:27.880 We? 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:29.800 Yes? 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:31.839 And he's why Wyoming anyway? 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:32.280 Yeah? 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:35.680 Oh yeah, Wyoming not Montana. Oh damn, I thought it 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:36.239 was Montana. 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:37.880 Either way, they don't want no more select. 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:43.359 I take that back. Okay, Kanye does not different, deal. 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:45.799 Different. 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:46.880 I don't know. 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:48.760 Just think of like a home on the ranch. 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:51.839 The deer different down there. It's way different. 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:53.000 Really okay? 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:53.320 Really? 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:57.160 So where were you born? 0:06:57.880 --> 0:07:01.240 New York City? Manhattan? You a port? What part right there? 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:02.400 French hospital? 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:04.840 But I mean what part of Manhattan were you? 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:10.560 I don't know. Where was the French Hospital? Midtown? Maybe? 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:11.640 So I don't know. Okay. 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:13.840 How how long did you stay in Manhattan? 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:17.080 About a year? Oh as a baby, I got tired 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:17.320 of the. 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:21.040 More than three weeks. 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:25.640 How when did music enter your life? 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:29.080 Real early on? My dad was a was a drummer. 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:33.440 My dad was a was a radiologist by trade, but 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:38.160 a jazz drummer bye by hobby. Okay, and he loved 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:39.800 and he played piano as well, and he played with 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:42.760 a jam band and it was a with a jazz band, 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:44.440 and it was always a set of drums set up 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:47.640 in our in our living room, and he taught me 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:52.600 played drums. Initially he would play jazz music that with 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:57.480 no singers. He hated singers. You knows, just kind of 0:07:57.480 --> 0:08:00.480 gotten the way that I gravitated. 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:03.559 Toward the vocals the side of things, you know. Okay, okay, 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:05.640 So what did your mom do? 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:09.280 My mom was an artist and she was born in 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:13.280 Poland and escaped during the war, lived in Brazil for 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:16.200 about four or five years, moved to New York City, 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:19.360 was a commercial artist here in New York City. Her 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:23.360 parents finally got out of Poland and arrived and he 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:26.400 was a die chemist and knew about and they were 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:28.920 pretty wealthy and so on. It moved to Lawrence, mass 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:36.240 and then tragically, my grandparents, my mother's parents committed suicide together, 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:39.640 which was a real tough deal on my mom, and 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:43.400 she switched and kind of dropped out at that point. 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:47.120 She was an artist and so she my dad realized 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:48.680 he had to get her out of here. When moved 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:50.840 to California, moved to San Francisco when I was five, 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:53.560 and my mom fell in with the hippies and became 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:56.360 like the very first hippie my mom. 0:08:56.760 --> 0:08:59.320 So she was part of that Timothy Leary generation all 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:03.480 that tunant What does that entail? Like I always you know, 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:07.280 I hear of like tune in, drop out And is 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:10.520 it just like stop trying to perform to what society 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:11.040 wants us. 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:13.599 To do and just like live by the moment? And 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:15.640 I think so, I think that's initially what it was. 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:18.160 Yeah, So you grew up in out there and there 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:22.319 was some LSD involved, Okay, okay, so that made. 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:23.200 Everything a little easier. 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:35.040 Told me about it, drum. So in San francis a 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:37.599 fist book between Hwet and Steve for those that missed that. 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:41.280 So in San Francisco, were you kind of in a 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:42.920 commune community. 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:46.199 Like no, no, because my my my mom my dad 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:49.560 had sort of resisted all that and they just divorced 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:54.400 when I was eleven. And when I was twelve, I 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:57.120 skipped second grade, so I went away to school and 0:09:57.679 --> 0:09:58.880 in New Jersey and. 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:04.640 The prep school in New Jersey, I don't even Yeah, 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:09.040 So how did that make you feel the insight? Like 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:10.880 just this consistent, going back and forth. 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:13.520 It was a little crazy, to be honest, My did 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:16.040 you met friends easily? Or I didn't because I was 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:18.559 moving so much, you know, so I had to kind 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:20.760 of rely on myself. I grew up pretty fast that way. 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:23.679 I actually went to prep school in New Jersey with 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:26.280 coat and tie, all boys, and neither one of my 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:28.280 parents has ever been there, so they just kind of 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:31.559 set me off. And I was I was thirteen. 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:32.920 Were you the only child? 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:33.679 No? 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:36.439 I had a brother, a younger brother, five years younger, okay, 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:39.600 and he stayed with my mom. My mother had custody, 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:42.439 but my father petitioned the court to allow me to 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:44.880 go to this prep school, saying this was a smart 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:47.240 kid or something, you know, whatever, whatever he told them. 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:49.679 But how were you away? 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:53.480 Well, I'd go back on summertime, you know, Christmas, Christmas 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:56.280 in summer. But I was away for four years for 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:56.960 the most part. 0:10:57.720 --> 0:10:58.160 Sounds like it. 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:06.160 I It depends he was independent, though, because what was 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:06.439 that like? 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:08.400 As a boy in prep school, you have freedom in 0:11:08.480 --> 0:11:10.679 a different way than most kids doing away because you're like, 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:12.880 it's like college but kids. 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:17.000 I mean, I was horribly homesick when I first left. Obviously, Uh, 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:20.120 but you know, you can get used to pretty much anything. 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:22.120 And uh, after a while it was fine. 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:23.880 I'm sure I was a girls school down the street. 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:25.839 You went to a girl I'm sure it was a 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:27.000 girls school down the street. 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:36.199 Not everything is dead, poets decided, just clear, that's a movie. 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:38.280 So what was your. 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:42.200 Described? Well, wait, before you do that, do you remember 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:43.760 the first record you purchased? 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:46.520 Yep? What was it? A quarter to three? 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:48.760 Here are us? There are U s bines okay. 0:11:52.640 --> 0:12:03.600 And then or might have been wild one Bobby right now, okay, 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:06.160 a little bitty pretty one. Those are the first three 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:06.680 I remember. 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:11.720 So you're post you wops early British rocking. 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:15.559 Start, but immediately became an R and B snob and 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:19.079 I started play harmonica and became a blues R and 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:23.280 B snob. Hated contemporary stuff, just all of that until 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:28.360 I joined my first band, which was after prep school. Uh. Well, 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:31.480 I took a year off and bummed around Europe. I 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:34.880 took my harmonica and my old man made me do that. 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:37.960 I graduated from from prep school a year young because 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:40.199 I'd skip second grade. And he said to me, I 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:42.840 was sixteen. He said, look, you're sixteen years old. As 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:45.559 far as I'm concerned, all the decisions of yours. You 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:47.800 do whatever you want. Only one more thing I want 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:49.160 to make you do. I said, what's that? I said, 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:51.920 don't go to college yet. I said, really, well, I 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:53.559 want to go to school and I'm going. You know, 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:56.400 I was accepted at Cornell. I said, I really want 0:12:56.440 --> 0:12:58.400 to go to He says, no, no, take a year 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:01.920 off and bum around your I said, but dad, I 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:04.320 was going to play ball, and it's the last thing 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:05.439 I'm like. So I did it. 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:07.160 It was like a tester, like what happened when you 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:08.760 father puts your son in the woods to see if 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:11.000 you can survive the way black folks? 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:13.959 That doesn't black folks get sent away to Europe. 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:16.360 Yeah, he just threw me away to Europe. 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:21.280 I was told my father, our challenge was just escaping bullets. 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:25.280 Or in college tuition. And I'm gonna soften that a 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:25.959 little bit, you know. 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:26.959 Oh that. 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:30.120 No, I couldn't afford it. So I just got a 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:35.840 record deal. So but to wait sixteen in Europe? How 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:38.800 does that work? Did was missing? 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:42.360 It was nineteen sixty six, sixty second, there was no TSA. 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:44.959 So wasn't that one big deal? 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:45.400 No? 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:49.440 No, no, LSD, no TSA to walk us through. 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:50.800 This, like, was it a hostile situation? 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:50.839 No? 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:53.080 You didn't stay at a hostel? No, no, No, Hughey 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:54.240 Lewis didn't stay at well. 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:55.959 I stayed. I stayed at a buddy. I had a 0:13:56.240 --> 0:14:00.560 power from prep school, English exchange student. I stayed at 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:03.000 his house in London for a few days, and then 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:06.480 I met a guy from South Africa, Michael Jefferson. Together 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:09.520 we hitchicked all the way through Europe and all that stuff, 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:11.880 and I would go every night, we'd go to the 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:14.120 youth hostel and I just play harp in the in 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:14.680 the Square. 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:19.840 Not only bust are rich, not every single one of them, 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:23.840 just the ones Some play harp in the Square for money, 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:25.080 say at the hostel. 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:28.400 Okay, So all right, as a fellow busker, I got 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:30.640 to ask you what what were the what were the 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:33.720 going what were the going rates for it? I'm assuming 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:37.880 this is uh sixty eight sixty seven? 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:41.280 Yeah, what was a all right? 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:41.600 For me? 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:46.240 In nineteen ninety two, sixty to eighty dollars was like 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:47.200 date night? 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:47.720 That was. 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:52.040 You know, like, I mean, there's four of us, so 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:52.440 you know. 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:54.080 Thirty you know you were killing that. 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:56.040 Yeah. 0:14:56.160 --> 0:14:58.680 No, that's a sandwich at wah wah. And you know 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:01.480 after do movie? That's a date? 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:04.440 Was it was it at a not Do or Die. 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:09.360 Survival? What? Yeah? Like what for you? What was like? 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:11.000 Okay I made it through the day or it was 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:11.680 it day to day? 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:12.400 Like what am I going? 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:13.240 Like? 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:14.880 I remember in Africa in. 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:19.400 Europe Europe? 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:21.160 But I got to North Africa. We went down to 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:24.800 North Africa, Italy I went. I went to Marrakesh in 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:27.920 Morocco for just to see it, and then I got 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:37.480 so stone. I couldn't leave for three months. We're going 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:39.440 to leave every day. But then we'd wake up and 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:42.040 Steve wish. 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:45.800 Is it seventeen? Are you how old are you? 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:47.080 Yeah? I say I was seventeen. 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:52.840 That's right, Oh my god, Like, hey, you want to 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:56.640 go just was it a boat from Italy that just 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:59.360 right across the water or do you get there? 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:00.880 Why did you shoes Morocco? 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:04.120 So I flew to London right and then and that's 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:06.400 another long story. But then I hitchhiked all the way 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:09.320 from London, all the way through France down through Spain, 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:12.800 took the little storry to that's what do that see? 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:13.480 He hitchhike? 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:19.440 He didn't have a limousine, hitchhike hitchhike, but there. 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:20.480 Was a stowaway story. 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:22.560 Yeah, I wanted to get back to that. I heard 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:25.240 that you stowed away on a plane to the That's. 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:27.800 An interesting story. Actually, as I was. 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:29.920 Do that's that's what I wanted to know. 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:33.520 I didn't really stow away. I thought I could stow away. 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:37.520 But this was remember nineteen sixty seven or sixty eight, 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:40.200 probably sixty seven or sixty eight, right in there. And 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:43.680 I hitchiked across the country first and to go to Europe, 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:46.960 and then I stayed with my buddies at Harvard who 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:48.720 were at school there for a minute. 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:49.760 Didn't see that coming. 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:54.720 And then I went back down to New York here 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:57.600 and I went to and while I was hitchiking across 0:16:57.680 --> 0:16:59.560 the country, a guy picked me up and told me. 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:02.200 I said, I'm trying to get to Europe. He says, well, 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:04.520 you know, but I you know, I don't have that 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:06.440 much money I had. I think I started off with 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:09.320 three hundred dollars and then plane tickets were like two 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:12.360 fifty in those days, and so I said, I don't 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:14.280 have that much money. We can't spend all on a ticket, 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:16.280 and he said, well, you know, you can stow away, 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:19.479 and he showed me. He told me about this idea 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:22.600 where you get this, you know, the jacket the ticket 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:25.159 goes in. In the old days used to take a 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:30.399 special silver pen and write on the jacket, and all 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:32.560 they looked at was the jacket. They never actually took 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:36.800 the ticket. This is before you know, uh, the computer, yeah, 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:41.440 and all that stuff. So he says he or he says, 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:44.359 you can stow away on this freight airline too. So 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:46.920 I hitch like back down to the Muppet. Well then 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:52.479 was idle Wild Wow Idlewild Airport which is now Kennedy Airport, 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:57.480 and out answers there and I went to the freight 0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:00.240 place and I couldn't get across. They couldn't figure that out. 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:03.080 So I went back to the terminal the TWA place, 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:06.000 and I just laid there for you know, just kind 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:09.600 of stay there for till midnight. And I befriended this 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:14.760 agent TWA ticket agent said, you know, buddy, I just 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:16.159 hit you out and tells me there's a way you 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:18.439 can kind of sneak in. And always said, I'll tell 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:20.280 you what. If you wait till I get off, I'll 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:25.520 show you. I wait till you go collective jar drop 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:29.399 in this room right now. Like so he explained to 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:31.840 me that you get the jacket. He got a jacket, 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:34.760 a jacket out of the you know, those envelopes, out 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:37.800 of the drawer, and he had a special silver pant. 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:40.280 He says, you need this. And then he says, you're 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:44.840 right on the outside London l HR fight seven o two. 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:47.600 And then he says, and then go into the gate 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:51.520 really and just kind of make yourself invisible and it'll 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:53.560 fill up. And then when you get on the airplane, 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:55.720 all they're gonna do is look at your jacket and 0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:58.720 then go take the seat, middle seat over the wing. 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:02.640 And then he said, and then but not yours, right 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:05.959 the middle seat over the wing, and take another terrible 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:08.760 seat in case they say, oh, you're not in someone 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:11.080 else takes your seat, you say, oh, my seat's up there, 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:13.520 and then you go. But but none of these flights 0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:15.800 were fulling these days, so the middle seat over the 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:18.640 wing was like the last one to go. So he says, 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:20.520 I said, wow, that what happens if I get caught? 0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:22.440 He said, the only way you're gonna get caught is 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:24.320 at the end of the deal. She's going to count 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:26.479 all the people on the airplane and it's not going 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:28.800 to jibe with all the people they had the checked 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:30.720 in at the podium, he says, But you're only gonna 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:32.840 be one off, and she's gonna They're not gonna hold 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:35.680 the flight up. They're just gonna go said. He says. 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:38.520 If you want to be really safe, he says, you 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:42.359 can buy a ticket and then just put it in 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:45.120 the jacket, but don't give them the ticket. And when 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:48.040 you keep the keep the ticket and if you if 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:50.440 it works, you get over. When you get to London, 0:19:50.480 --> 0:19:52.520 you refund the ticket and if they find you out, 0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:54.680 you give them the ticket. And that's what I did, 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:56.679 Stay Cassole. Game is. 0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:01.720 Pens and refund ticket. It's ship Huey Lewis. 0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:07.600 Wait, wait, I'm just curious when does this finesse game? 0:20:07.880 --> 0:20:10.200 Like when what year do you think it was stopped? 0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:16.359 Like you couldn't computers, computer computers, damn computer stopped everything, 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:17.080 ruined everything. 0:20:17.240 --> 0:20:18.760 You can't even get the t s A with the 0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:19.879 ticket now sucked up. 0:20:20.240 --> 0:20:22.879 No ts A, no, no ts A. Hey, there were 0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:25.760 not only were there no security, you just walked right 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:28.040 on the airplane, but they gave you a little packet 0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:31.320 of cigarettes that you could smoke on the airplane. 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:36.880 Cigarettes little tiny four packed cigarette smoking. 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:46.200 Like so cool man on airplanes. 0:20:46.320 --> 0:20:49.120 Can you imagine every every armist had a little ash 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:49.520 tree in it. 0:20:49.680 --> 0:20:52.720 I remember everything on the on the wall. 0:20:53.200 --> 0:20:54.600 What's scared to me is when you get on an 0:20:54.600 --> 0:20:58.320 airplane now and you still see the ash plane. 0:21:01.359 --> 0:21:02.280 The hell off this thing? 0:21:03.880 --> 0:21:07.720 Remember one I embarrassed the living crap out. Then my 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:10.120 mom's listening to the story. One of my very first 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:14.440 plane trips, went to the bathroom and there were you know, 0:21:14.920 --> 0:21:17.800 they would have napkins there and whatnot and like feminine 0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:22.359 uh napkins as well, and so I thought pads. So 0:21:22.440 --> 0:21:26.399 it took like about tim pads. And I was in 0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:27.960 the front row there in the back and said. 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:36.520 Mom, dog, you don't worry about I got you. 0:21:37.400 --> 0:21:38.800 That's all, you know. 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:43.080 That should be like an advertising like, came on, I got. 0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:46.680 You, tamppas backcuff loft, don't worry, I got you. 0:21:54.280 --> 0:21:57.159 So do you remember the first concert you went to? 0:21:57.320 --> 0:22:01.960 Good that's a good question. That's a really good question. 0:22:03.600 --> 0:22:04.840 A very memorable content. 0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:08.760 It might be with Paul Butterfield at here in New 0:22:08.840 --> 0:22:09.440 York at. 0:22:09.400 --> 0:22:11.000 The film wore East. 0:22:11.640 --> 0:22:13.840 No, it went over four way before Filmore. We're talking 0:22:13.920 --> 0:22:18.320 nineteen sixty four, sixty five town Hall. 0:22:18.720 --> 0:22:23.320 Oh, the town Hall nineteen and. 0:22:27.200 --> 0:22:29.720 It was so it was so crowded that I got 0:22:29.760 --> 0:22:32.440 a seat, as I remember it, I mean, I know 0:22:32.560 --> 0:22:34.959 I got the seat. I don't know how on the stage. 0:22:35.080 --> 0:22:38.159 They put seats on the stage and I sat on 0:22:38.200 --> 0:22:42.800 the stage and saw Bob Butterfield with Mike Bloomfield, Elvin Bishop, 0:22:43.800 --> 0:22:48.320 Jerome Marnold on bays, Sam Lay on drums. They were awesome. 0:22:48.560 --> 0:22:53.160 They took that was it and this is pre well 0:22:53.320 --> 0:22:56.639 sixty four was like cond pre probably six psychedelic, might 0:22:56.680 --> 0:22:59.639 be sixty five, okay, like that pre psychedelic. 0:22:59.720 --> 0:23:02.320 Yeah, So was that a moment for you where you're 0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:03.720 like maybe I could do this. 0:23:04.000 --> 0:23:06.639 Yeah, absolutely, I want to do this. I don't know 0:23:06.640 --> 0:23:08.639 if I can or not, But that's happened. 0:23:08.680 --> 0:23:09.159 So how did that? 0:23:09.280 --> 0:23:11.760 Was already playing harmonica a little bit, you know, how. 0:23:11.680 --> 0:23:15.240 Did that lead you to Clover? Go into how Clover 0:23:15.400 --> 0:23:15.639 came in? 0:23:15.800 --> 0:23:18.520 Well? Then, well I took a year off, bummed around 0:23:18.560 --> 0:23:21.280 Europe after after high school, like dad said, played harmonica 0:23:21.320 --> 0:23:24.200 all the time, went back went to Cornell, I was 0:23:24.240 --> 0:23:28.680 an engineering student at Cornell. As you do, I all 0:23:28.760 --> 0:23:31.280 before in prep school, so I got I didn't even 0:23:31.320 --> 0:23:33.960 hardly have to go to class my freshman year and 0:23:34.040 --> 0:23:36.200 I got a four point zero. Was no problem because 0:23:36.320 --> 0:23:39.679 I literally had it all before. You were you were 0:23:39.680 --> 0:23:41.679 a meth was right, kind of you. 0:23:41.720 --> 0:23:44.480 Know, perfect score on the skin like that. 0:23:44.600 --> 0:23:53.120 Kind of okay, Dwayne Wayne, Dwayne, Dwayne Wayne, different world, 0:23:54.400 --> 0:23:57.480 a fictional character that's quarter perfect going in Memphis. 0:23:59.320 --> 0:24:02.520 Yeah, but I and so after that year off, I 0:24:02.600 --> 0:24:05.480 went back to Cornell and I went to engineering school 0:24:06.119 --> 0:24:08.199 and I went in and that was not near as 0:24:08.280 --> 0:24:11.200 much fun as bumming around Europe with harmonica, and so 0:24:11.640 --> 0:24:14.359 I joined the bands and I didn't really have to 0:24:14.400 --> 0:24:17.960 go to class much. So I played in fraternity bands 0:24:18.440 --> 0:24:21.879 until my sophomore year started catching up with me. 0:24:22.000 --> 0:24:22.119 You know. 0:24:23.400 --> 0:24:25.760 So about halfway through the sophomore year, and that was 0:24:25.800 --> 0:24:31.800 the year at Cornell where the Afro American Student Society 0:24:31.880 --> 0:24:34.119 took over the Wild Straight Hall and it was all 0:24:34.200 --> 0:24:36.480 that stuff in the SDS and all that stuff. So 0:24:36.600 --> 0:24:38.800 you could take pass fail, was the good news. So 0:24:38.840 --> 0:24:41.479 we took pass fail. That was another semester I got 0:24:41.600 --> 0:24:46.800 under my belt. I was like then I was dead 0:24:47.240 --> 0:24:49.399 and it caught up with me. So I called my 0:24:49.440 --> 0:24:52.920 own man. I said, Pops, I'm dropping out. I'm gonna 0:24:52.920 --> 0:24:56.040 be uh, I'm gonna I'm gonna try and be a musician. 0:24:56.200 --> 0:25:01.800 He went, whatever he said, go for it. You know 0:25:01.880 --> 0:25:04.480 you did what you did your bum around Europe. I 0:25:04.640 --> 0:25:06.080 told you I wasn't going to tell you what to do. 0:25:06.560 --> 0:25:07.399 Your life is your own. 0:25:07.440 --> 0:25:08.840 Good luck, good parenting. 0:25:09.200 --> 0:25:12.840 Fuck well, it looked like pretty bad parenting for the 0:25:12.920 --> 0:25:14.640 first ten years or fifteen years. 0:25:14.720 --> 0:25:16.439 Let me tell you as a parent, good for your 0:25:16.480 --> 0:25:17.960 father for just being like, do what you want. 0:25:22.680 --> 0:25:26.680 During the formative years before you formed Clover, did you 0:25:26.760 --> 0:25:33.960 have any interaction with any notable future singer songwriter, like 0:25:34.200 --> 0:25:34.720 anyone that. 0:25:35.160 --> 0:25:39.280 That's a good question. Let me think not really, I mean, 0:25:39.359 --> 0:25:46.680 I'm trying out. Why did that take me so long? 0:25:48.119 --> 0:25:48.159 Like? 0:25:48.359 --> 0:25:52.760 No, no, running into Springsteen during the days of bar banding. 0:25:52.880 --> 0:25:56.080 Oh, I didn't see that, you know. I mean, Butterfield 0:25:56.200 --> 0:25:58.879 was a was a thing for me. And then I 0:25:59.000 --> 0:26:01.439 dropped out. I went back to San Francisco, and then 0:26:01.480 --> 0:26:04.240 I started going to uh, you know, the film more 0:26:04.440 --> 0:26:07.200 and and seeing that stuff and seeing uh, you know, 0:26:07.880 --> 0:26:11.520 Aretha with King Curtis at the film or Auditorium. Yo, 0:26:11.720 --> 0:26:15.360 you were there those recordings right, well once one night. 0:26:15.520 --> 0:26:18.199 Well they eventually since then released all of. 0:26:18.200 --> 0:26:18.960 Them eight nights. 0:26:19.119 --> 0:26:21.480 Yeah, it was unbelievable. Wow. 0:26:22.119 --> 0:26:24.040 You know this video of that online too, right, I 0:26:24.119 --> 0:26:24.560 did not know. 0:26:24.720 --> 0:26:28.200 Ye, okay, that was unbelievable. You know that Filmore holds 0:26:28.200 --> 0:26:30.920 about eight hundred people. People don't write the film original 0:26:31.000 --> 0:26:33.800 Filmore Auditorium, it's like eight hundred to one thousand people. 0:26:34.119 --> 0:26:36.240 Oh so the one that I play at has been 0:26:36.320 --> 0:26:39.480 expanded and where this one over here or the one 0:26:39.840 --> 0:26:40.240 the one. 0:26:40.119 --> 0:26:42.960 In that was? That was that was a huge film 0:26:43.119 --> 0:26:44.040 winter Land, right. 0:26:44.000 --> 0:26:46.080 Yes, oh you're talking about film More easy. 0:26:46.000 --> 0:26:49.639 Written on the original Filmore Auditorium right in San Francisco. 0:26:50.200 --> 0:26:52.480 Still there's still a gig still there, but it only 0:26:52.520 --> 0:26:54.040 holds eight hundred thousand people. 0:26:54.440 --> 0:26:56.000 I didn't know that. In my mind, I thought it 0:26:56.040 --> 0:26:56.919 was like a three thousand. 0:26:57.200 --> 0:27:00.320 It seems like that. Go there again. We just worked there. 0:27:00.600 --> 0:27:03.240 It's it's this tiny, little place, tiny and you don't 0:27:03.280 --> 0:27:06.440 realize that at Hendrix in this place like here you 0:27:06.520 --> 0:27:09.720 had cream in this place back here. It was unbelievable. 0:27:09.840 --> 0:27:12.800 Okay, when did you consider yourself a hard player or 0:27:12.920 --> 0:27:15.760 vocalist or were both at the same time, or when 0:27:15.800 --> 0:27:17.600 did you switch to it from one to the other, 0:27:18.320 --> 0:27:20.239 because you talk a lot about being a harpist, right, 0:27:20.320 --> 0:27:20.560 I was. 0:27:20.720 --> 0:27:23.359 Mostly playing harmonic until I did my busking thing, and 0:27:23.440 --> 0:27:25.920 then I sang, and then I then I joined the band. 0:27:26.600 --> 0:27:29.240 When when I get when I joined Clover, I sang 0:27:29.359 --> 0:27:32.760 like a song or two, you know, But my voice, 0:27:32.920 --> 0:27:37.680 rough as it is, was not a seventies hair band, 0:27:38.480 --> 0:27:43.520 you know, Journey Boston, it wasn't happening. So I was 0:27:43.520 --> 0:27:45.080 an R and B guy and so I just played 0:27:45.080 --> 0:27:48.320 harmonica and the Clover thing. So vocal wise, who did 0:27:48.400 --> 0:27:53.200 you Ray Charles to get the question? 0:27:53.680 --> 0:27:54.400 No hesitation? 0:27:55.359 --> 0:27:57.320 Do you want to take questions? 0:27:57.440 --> 0:28:01.760 And Johnny Taylor, I mean, yeah, I'm a costello freak, 0:28:01.920 --> 0:28:06.320 So who is every everybody knows your connection to Well 0:28:06.400 --> 0:28:08.480 Clover connection to Miam is true. 0:28:09.760 --> 0:28:11.360 They were the backing band on that album. For those 0:28:11.400 --> 0:28:12.600 that don't know, Bill. 0:28:12.600 --> 0:28:17.960 Right right, Sorry, So yes, Clover was was high Well. 0:28:18.000 --> 0:28:21.320 Clover was first discovered by Nick Lowe in l A. 0:28:21.640 --> 0:28:24.560 Right, and actually by uh It's a kind of a 0:28:24.600 --> 0:28:28.720 funny story because our Clover had made a record before 0:28:28.760 --> 0:28:31.399 I joined them, there was a kind of vintage uh 0:28:32.160 --> 0:28:35.240 country rock. In fact, Clover had a record in the 0:28:35.359 --> 0:28:39.480 sixties where the on the cover there was John McPhee 0:28:39.640 --> 0:28:42.800 had hair down to had he had overalls on with 0:28:42.920 --> 0:28:45.320 hairdown to his waist and they and they're all standing, 0:28:45.360 --> 0:28:47.200 they all had long hair and they're standing in front 0:28:47.240 --> 0:28:51.000 of six foot high marijuana planets. Well, this was like 0:28:51.160 --> 0:28:53.360 sixty eight. Is Willie Nelson had a coat and tye 0:28:53.440 --> 0:28:54.320 on at this point? 0:28:54.640 --> 0:28:55.240 Seriously, it was. 0:28:55.280 --> 0:28:58.280 It was and the Dolly Porton Porter Wagner show was 0:28:58.320 --> 0:29:00.960 on and Willie was on it, and there was no 0:29:01.840 --> 0:29:04.200 and this was Clover. They were really ahead of their time. 0:29:04.640 --> 0:29:10.840 And so when I joined that band, uh we we 0:29:11.120 --> 0:29:13.800 we labored for a while. And then Jake Rivere, who 0:29:13.880 --> 0:29:18.200 managed Elvis and at the time was helping out with 0:29:18.280 --> 0:29:21.200 a group called Doctor Feel Good and feel Good was 0:29:21.280 --> 0:29:23.800 a and he was good. They asked Jake to road 0:29:23.920 --> 0:29:26.480 manage their trip to set to La. They were going 0:29:26.560 --> 0:29:29.600 to play at the CBS Convention in La and so, 0:29:30.000 --> 0:29:32.400 and they brought Nick Lowe along as a guitar roadie, 0:29:32.800 --> 0:29:36.240 just for a free trip to for a free trip 0:29:36.320 --> 0:29:40.120 to America. So it is the Doctor Feel Goods, Jake 0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:43.000 and Nick Low. So we're playing the Palomino Club in 0:29:43.200 --> 0:29:46.480 La clover Is. It's a country club, you know, country 0:29:46.520 --> 0:29:49.800 western club. We're playing the Palomino and in want these 0:29:50.080 --> 0:29:53.600 six guys in like gray suits and short hair. You 0:29:53.680 --> 0:29:56.120 know who were these guys And turned it was Nick 0:29:56.200 --> 0:29:59.040 and Jake because they'd seen that we were there and 0:29:59.120 --> 0:30:02.120 they knew about Over's first record and they were big. 0:30:02.200 --> 0:30:03.760 Because they love country rock, that's it. 0:30:03.880 --> 0:30:06.719 They thought they thought country rock pub rock was going 0:30:06.760 --> 0:30:09.160 to be the next big thing. So they signed us 0:30:09.760 --> 0:30:13.480 to Phonogram Records and we came to and we and 0:30:13.640 --> 0:30:15.040 brought us over to England. We're gonna do it for 0:30:15.080 --> 0:30:17.840 the British side from London. Well, the day we landed, 0:30:18.560 --> 0:30:20.960 Johnny Rotten spit in the face of the first enemy 0:30:21.120 --> 0:30:24.120 reporter and the game was on and we were in 0:30:24.200 --> 0:30:26.959 the wrong place at the wrong time. But we did 0:30:27.000 --> 0:30:29.880 a lot of sessions and the band, the core band 0:30:30.000 --> 0:30:31.000 back started. 0:30:31.040 --> 0:30:33.680 And what he means is punk rock has just started 0:30:33.880 --> 0:30:37.480 for people listening, Yeah, right, and country rock was not 0:30:37.640 --> 0:30:42.760 necessarily gonna happen in London right at that moment. So then, 0:30:44.000 --> 0:30:46.200 uh so they were starting stiff Records. 0:30:46.400 --> 0:30:49.200 They started Stiff Records. Jake and Dave together they managed 0:30:49.200 --> 0:30:53.520 Delvis Costello and Nick Love, Graham, Parker, Rat Scabies, the Damned, 0:30:54.160 --> 0:30:57.160 and then they created Stiff Records. And then unfortunately they 0:30:57.160 --> 0:31:00.880 had already signed us, so they stuck us. They realized 0:31:00.880 --> 0:31:03.400 that we were more kind of an American band, so they, 0:31:04.240 --> 0:31:08.280 uh they got mud Langer to produce our records in Wales. 0:31:08.840 --> 0:31:12.280 Uh and the Mutt Langer. All right, this is before 0:31:12.320 --> 0:31:14.400 he ever had a hit, before his magic period. He 0:31:14.520 --> 0:31:19.360 was a staff producer at Phonogram, and he did like 0:31:19.520 --> 0:31:22.840 some amazing amount of records a year, some like six 0:31:22.960 --> 0:31:25.760 or seven records a year, and and you know City 0:31:25.880 --> 0:31:29.560 Boy and all these acts that never happened. And uh, 0:31:29.720 --> 0:31:32.400 until you know, until he kind of moved over here, 0:31:32.560 --> 0:31:34.880 what was his what were his work habits? 0:31:34.960 --> 0:31:35.000 Like? 0:31:35.960 --> 0:31:38.320 Brilliant, still the same, I mean, it was consistent on 0:31:39.360 --> 0:31:43.000 just an unbelievable work ethic. And you know he's brilliant. 0:31:43.040 --> 0:31:45.920 I mean he's just that's all he does. He's just 0:31:46.320 --> 0:31:50.320 he's of one mind. He just loves just lays in 0:31:50.400 --> 0:31:52.680 the studio. Man loves loves it. 0:31:53.240 --> 0:31:53.800 Okay, So. 0:31:55.280 --> 0:31:58.120 Just to continue where where you left off. So you 0:31:59.040 --> 0:32:00.240 Clover wasn't on Diff. 0:32:00.320 --> 0:32:03.280 They were on Clover's on the Phonogram records. Did they 0:32:03.400 --> 0:32:06.040 move to Stiff They didn't because Stiff There was no 0:32:06.200 --> 0:32:08.960 Stiff when we first signed a Phonograph, right, Jake and Dave. 0:32:09.280 --> 0:32:13.920 And then simultaneously when punk hit, they started Stiff Records. 0:32:13.960 --> 0:32:16.920 They signed all these bands and we were still on Phonograph, 0:32:17.000 --> 0:32:22.040 and then they uh, yeah, so then I guess then 0:32:22.040 --> 0:32:26.239 they signed Elvis. They found Elvis. Uh, Jake gave him 0:32:26.240 --> 0:32:29.080 his name. I think Declin McManus gave him Elvis Costello 0:32:29.640 --> 0:32:30.440 and they what was. 0:32:30.480 --> 0:32:32.360 His name previously McManus. 0:32:33.520 --> 0:32:36.040 We've known him forever. How come you you know you 0:32:36.080 --> 0:32:37.320 did a record with the man? You didn't know what 0:32:37.360 --> 0:32:38.000 his real name was. 0:32:38.200 --> 0:32:38.640 I didn't know. 0:32:38.720 --> 0:32:43.040 I thought, let me get name, get through this. 0:32:44.360 --> 0:32:48.640 I need to know things. Okay, No, it's just this 0:32:48.880 --> 0:32:51.040 notorious thing with Clover and Miami is true. So my 0:32:51.160 --> 0:32:53.840 question really comes down to, so how did how did 0:32:54.000 --> 0:32:57.160 Clover get that gig? So, and they have a follow 0:32:57.240 --> 0:32:57.600 up question. 0:32:57.960 --> 0:33:00.880 Jake signed Elvis Costell and they got Nick Low to 0:33:00.960 --> 0:33:06.400 produce it, and Nick used us not me, not me, 0:33:06.520 --> 0:33:09.360 and not my singer out, not our singer I was called, 0:33:09.400 --> 0:33:12.040 but the other four guys as a rhythm section for 0:33:12.120 --> 0:33:14.600 that that record, and they cut that record at pathway 0:33:14.880 --> 0:33:18.520 that my amistry was cutting, really cutting, and the studio 0:33:18.680 --> 0:33:23.719 was was literally the studio and control room were as 0:33:23.760 --> 0:33:25.760 big as this room right here, and we're in a 0:33:25.800 --> 0:33:28.480 small studio and the control room was like a four 0:33:28.560 --> 0:33:32.000 by four thing with a board eight trackie or maybe 0:33:32.360 --> 0:33:35.320 maybe it was sixteen. I don't even know, but it was. 0:33:35.760 --> 0:33:39.600 And they cut that record, and in fact, here's a 0:33:39.600 --> 0:33:41.239 great story for it, because the first thing they did 0:33:41.480 --> 0:33:46.640 was rehearse obviously for before they went into cut, and 0:33:46.840 --> 0:33:48.800 we were we were living in a place called Nigel 0:33:48.840 --> 0:33:51.480 Grange and Surrey down. They rented a house that same 0:33:51.520 --> 0:33:53.960 house that led Zeppelin cut all them big records and 0:33:55.640 --> 0:34:00.240 where they mike the drummers in the big So that 0:34:00.360 --> 0:34:04.160 was our house called Headley Grange. So they when Elvis rehearsed, 0:34:04.280 --> 0:34:06.000 we set up. We are set up in the in 0:34:06.080 --> 0:34:09.600 the living room and Elvis came down, took the train 0:34:09.719 --> 0:34:12.439 down and rehearsed with the band for the first time. Well, 0:34:12.719 --> 0:34:15.000 I went to London because you know, a harmonica player 0:34:15.040 --> 0:34:16.719 and he was just going to rehearse with them. And 0:34:16.800 --> 0:34:18.600 when I came back that night, we had dinner there 0:34:18.680 --> 0:34:21.000 and we all had dinner and Elvis was gone. I said, so, 0:34:21.040 --> 0:34:23.399 how was it today, and everybody's kind Oh it was good, 0:34:23.640 --> 0:34:26.120 it was good good. And my keyboard player Sean Hopper went, 0:34:26.320 --> 0:34:30.600 I'm telling you what this. This guy's lyrics are unbelievable. 0:34:31.080 --> 0:34:34.120 He's really a genius, I'm telling you. And Sean Hopper 0:34:34.640 --> 0:34:37.759 was the first guy to know how great Elvis Costello was. 0:34:37.840 --> 0:34:40.719 I think even before Jake and Dave and all these 0:34:41.080 --> 0:34:44.240 before the management was in. Sean was a was a fanatic. 0:34:44.760 --> 0:34:48.399 Okay, So as you just said, you were a singer 0:34:48.440 --> 0:34:51.719 and harmonica player, and I guess weren't needed. There's no 0:34:51.960 --> 0:34:53.480 harmonica on the on the record. 0:34:53.920 --> 0:34:56.000 When they got ready to do it, Elvis said to me, 0:34:56.719 --> 0:34:58.319 I got a couple of songs that you could play 0:34:58.360 --> 0:34:59.200 on if you want to. 0:34:59.480 --> 0:35:01.560 I said, great, Yeah, it seems like there's a couple 0:35:01.640 --> 0:35:02.600 that could have had harm on. 0:35:02.760 --> 0:35:06.000 But he's but they were cutting this this week and 0:35:06.120 --> 0:35:09.200 it was we they had were They had worked us 0:35:09.640 --> 0:35:12.520 like crazy, the management because you know, they would make money. 0:35:12.560 --> 0:35:14.920 So we're working all the time. Uh, And so I 0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:17.080 took the week off I said, it's okay, But I 0:35:17.120 --> 0:35:17.960 went to Amsterdam. 0:35:19.320 --> 0:35:19.920 It was okay. 0:35:20.200 --> 0:35:23.239 My girlfriend flew over and we had we We saw 0:35:23.280 --> 0:35:25.200 it as a vacation week for the other two of us, 0:35:25.520 --> 0:35:26.560 so I didn't plan the record. 0:35:26.640 --> 0:35:28.120 But you and you weren't at the sessions. 0:35:28.760 --> 0:35:28.960 I was. 0:35:29.160 --> 0:35:32.200 I was at one session briefly, but no, I guess 0:35:32.360 --> 0:35:33.880 maybe it was a mixed session. I don't think. I 0:35:34.040 --> 0:35:37.000 can't remember if I recorded at that studio a lot 0:35:37.120 --> 0:35:40.080 and with the band, so I know what it was like. 0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:43.080 But okay, Ultimately the question was I knew you weren't 0:35:43.120 --> 0:35:43.279 on it. 0:35:43.320 --> 0:35:44.800 I just wanted to you at the session. 0:35:45.920 --> 0:35:47.160 I had nothing to do with it. 0:35:47.520 --> 0:35:49.719 You might have been one mixed session, you're saying, Oh, yeah, 0:35:49.800 --> 0:35:51.879 that's the piece of information. I'm trying to mind. 0:35:55.880 --> 0:35:58.279 I'm sure I was there. And then of course we 0:35:58.360 --> 0:36:01.200 had the same management, you know, so we would bump 0:36:01.320 --> 0:36:04.239 they were happening, and we we went to a lot 0:36:04.320 --> 0:36:06.839 of Elvis' early shows when he played the Nashville Pub 0:36:06.960 --> 0:36:10.000 and all that stuff, and I watched him ascend, you know, 0:36:10.560 --> 0:36:14.520 and he's he's a wonderful guy and smart as you can, 0:36:14.640 --> 0:36:17.200 as you imagine, and so is Jake. By the way, 0:36:17.239 --> 0:36:19.640 and so is Nick Low and those three guys were 0:36:19.719 --> 0:36:20.360 so smart. 0:36:20.640 --> 0:36:26.680 It was I have one more question about this was 0:36:26.800 --> 0:36:30.520 Clover Uh upset that they didn't get the permanent gig 0:36:30.600 --> 0:36:32.759 with him and that he got the attractions starting with 0:36:32.880 --> 0:36:34.200 the next album the next year. 0:36:34.320 --> 0:36:37.400 No, no, we we we. You know there's that band thing. 0:36:37.480 --> 0:36:39.080 We thought we were going to make it any minute, 0:36:40.360 --> 0:36:43.560 and just you always think you're gonna make it any minute. 0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:46.719 You know. Failure never breaks up bands. It success that 0:36:46.800 --> 0:36:47.239 breaks up. 0:36:48.560 --> 0:36:49.520 Write that down down. 0:36:55.480 --> 0:36:55.760 Ship. 0:36:56.520 --> 0:36:58.840 All right? So when when the bill. 0:37:00.480 --> 0:37:01.120 We can come back to? 0:37:02.560 --> 0:37:04.479 Steve doesn't know lcause you know they're very close. 0:37:04.600 --> 0:37:08.120 I'm a huge I'm also a huge Huey Lewis fan. 0:37:15.120 --> 0:37:18.880 The band imploded in seventy eight, correct, you guys broke up. 0:37:19.120 --> 0:37:19.880 We broke up. 0:37:19.920 --> 0:37:21.319 It was amicable or just. 0:37:21.560 --> 0:37:24.719 Well kind of we lost our record deal and we 0:37:24.880 --> 0:37:31.359 came back and uh and then McPhee and uh joined 0:37:31.400 --> 0:37:34.759 Adobie Brothers. Sort of that's kind of what happened. I mean, 0:37:35.400 --> 0:37:37.000 but yeah, it was pretty amicable. 0:37:37.239 --> 0:37:40.239 So what leads to the development of Huey Lewis and 0:37:40.320 --> 0:37:40.640 the News. 0:37:41.719 --> 0:37:45.200 Well, let's see, I was so now we had always 0:37:45.200 --> 0:37:47.360 played Monday Night was a fun night for us in 0:37:47.600 --> 0:37:50.560 in Marin because it was I don't know, it was 0:37:50.640 --> 0:37:52.600 just a night that we always used to have jam 0:37:52.719 --> 0:37:55.520 sessions and stuff. And one of the local studios asked me, 0:37:55.760 --> 0:37:59.960 I wanted local clubs, said do you want to resident? 0:38:00.160 --> 0:38:02.200 He so residency yourself. I said, look, I'll give me 0:38:02.320 --> 0:38:04.800 Monday nights. And so I did a think on Monday 0:38:04.840 --> 0:38:08.560 Night Live that I invited all these different musicians and 0:38:09.200 --> 0:38:11.920 we had a Monday Night Live band and that we 0:38:12.040 --> 0:38:14.719 had a theme song and all that and comedians and 0:38:15.400 --> 0:38:17.399 and it was kind of fun. And with the band, 0:38:17.560 --> 0:38:21.520 we would slowly I was singing, I got I got 0:38:21.560 --> 0:38:23.200 to sing all the songs for the first time. 0:38:23.239 --> 0:38:25.560 We're either reluctant leader by this point exactly. 0:38:26.560 --> 0:38:31.680 I wasn't that reluctant I had, but I wasn't sure 0:38:31.680 --> 0:38:33.120 it was going to work, you know what I mean. 0:38:33.200 --> 0:38:35.520 I was trying it out a little bit. So but 0:38:35.680 --> 0:38:38.040 that's that. And that's we developed that in Monday Night Live. 0:38:38.480 --> 0:38:41.680 And this studio owner saw us and made it and 0:38:41.920 --> 0:38:43.839 and said, hey, would you like some demo time? 0:38:44.120 --> 0:38:44.959 Was it original stuff? 0:38:45.000 --> 0:38:48.040 And I said covers, Well, we didn't have mostly covers 0:38:48.560 --> 0:38:51.680 we'd written three songs. Uh. And then I said, do 0:38:51.719 --> 0:38:53.759 you want some free studio time? I said sure, huh, 0:38:53.920 --> 0:38:56.000 And they gave us like a day, so I thought. 0:38:56.520 --> 0:38:58.600 And we were doing funny stuff in our Monday night live. 0:38:58.640 --> 0:39:02.160 We did a discover at of Exodus exo disco we 0:39:02.280 --> 0:39:05.520 called it. It was pretty funny and it's actually not bad. 0:39:05.560 --> 0:39:08.200 I've heard it. Yeah. And the horn player on it 0:39:08.280 --> 0:39:10.400 we got. We got pee Wee Yellis to play horns 0:39:10.440 --> 0:39:12.920 on it. Really yeah, pee Wee. 0:39:14.440 --> 0:39:17.000 He was good. He will do anything like after his 0:39:17.120 --> 0:39:17.800 James Brownston. 0:39:17.960 --> 0:39:20.680 He yeah, he can play though, man, pee Wee can 0:39:20.920 --> 0:39:23.840 flat play, I know, man. Wow. And so we we 0:39:24.040 --> 0:39:26.279 we cut this disco version of Exus for a laugh 0:39:26.680 --> 0:39:28.880 and it was very funny. We had a nice day. Well, 0:39:28.920 --> 0:39:33.000 now I get a call from Nick Low and saying, look, 0:39:33.120 --> 0:39:36.759 I've just written this song and I think I think 0:39:36.800 --> 0:39:38.879 I swiped it from you. I said, what do you mean? 0:39:38.960 --> 0:39:41.520 He says, it's called what looks the best on you 0:39:42.080 --> 0:39:45.239 is me? And I told him that joke, you know, 0:39:45.680 --> 0:39:47.520 So I said no, no, I said, don't worry abot, 0:39:47.520 --> 0:39:49.839 it's no. Seriously, I feel like I owe you something. 0:39:49.880 --> 0:39:51.640 I said, No, I said to you what give me 0:39:51.680 --> 0:39:54.479 a ticket to London and back and I'll visit. He says, okay, 0:39:54.520 --> 0:39:58.040 I'll do that. Sometimes calls me. He says, I got 0:39:58.080 --> 0:40:01.000 an idea, come to London and play on my record 0:40:01.440 --> 0:40:03.800 and Edmonds wants to cut bad as Bad one of 0:40:03.880 --> 0:40:06.279 my songs, and we'll do both of those things and 0:40:06.320 --> 0:40:08.000 we'll do them in loun I said great, so he 0:40:08.120 --> 0:40:11.120 flew me to London. We went straight to the studio 0:40:11.320 --> 0:40:16.280 those days and cut Bad as Bad with Dave Emons 0:40:16.320 --> 0:40:19.080 and rock Pile, and then cut Born Fighter with Nick 0:40:19.120 --> 0:40:22.160 Lowe played harmonica on that and we were done. And 0:40:22.200 --> 0:40:23.680 it was like two or three in the afternoon. Now 0:40:23.760 --> 0:40:25.840 come to the record company to hear the tracks. And 0:40:25.920 --> 0:40:27.759 they come down. They come to the thing and they 0:40:27.840 --> 0:40:30.360 listened to the couple songs. They go, oh, man, that 0:40:30.440 --> 0:40:32.200 sounds great, and there was a lull in the moment. 0:40:32.239 --> 0:40:34.319 I said, you guys want to hear something funny. They 0:40:34.360 --> 0:40:37.560 said yeah, and I put on Exa Diisco. Well they 0:40:37.640 --> 0:40:40.319 loved it and they said, man, that could be a hit. 0:40:40.760 --> 0:40:44.279 I said whatever. They said, come see us tomorrow. We'll 0:40:44.320 --> 0:40:46.759 make a deal. And they left. So I said to 0:40:46.880 --> 0:40:49.080 Jake that they leave the room and I go, Jake, 0:40:49.120 --> 0:40:51.120 what do I do? He says, you go in there, yes, 0:40:51.200 --> 0:40:56.200 for thirteen points. You want three thousand pounds advance, and 0:40:57.200 --> 0:40:59.360 there you go. And if they want anything to be 0:41:00.120 --> 0:41:02.840 a remix or in that stuff, as long as they 0:41:02.920 --> 0:41:04.960 pay for it, that's good. But make sure you get 0:41:04.960 --> 0:41:07.319 the three thousand pounds and don't leave without the check. 0:41:07.719 --> 0:41:09.600 And I said, So I went there and made a 0:41:09.680 --> 0:41:12.640 singles deal, and I came home to San Francisco. I said, boys, 0:41:13.160 --> 0:41:15.680 we got a singles deal. And then I cut with 0:41:16.600 --> 0:41:20.040 the three thousand pounds. I've got the studio time. Actually, 0:41:20.040 --> 0:41:22.640 it's a funny. It's a funny story because they wanted 0:41:22.680 --> 0:41:27.160 more vocal on exodisco. It's all I'd said is come on, baby, 0:41:27.920 --> 0:41:29.880 come on down that kind of thing, you know. So 0:41:29.960 --> 0:41:32.120 they wanted me to a little more vocal on it. 0:41:32.360 --> 0:41:35.799 I said, no problem, give me the three thousand. They 0:41:35.880 --> 0:41:36.600 gave me the check. 0:41:36.760 --> 0:41:39.480 You were your own manager and negotiated and everything. 0:41:39.760 --> 0:41:42.680 So now I get back and I go to the studio. 0:41:42.719 --> 0:41:44.480 I said, man, we got a deal for it. I 0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:46.920 got to put some vocal, some more vocal on it. 0:41:47.000 --> 0:41:50.160 We go to the multi track tape and it was 0:41:50.320 --> 0:41:53.600 also had tones on that reel, and while they aligned 0:41:53.640 --> 0:41:58.200 the machine, they erased thirty seconds of the master tape 0:41:58.280 --> 0:42:01.279 that we had Recordedd go on, this is you know. 0:42:01.640 --> 0:42:04.160 So I went, oh my god, what what I said? 0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:08.040 That's a great engineer scream. 0:42:08.520 --> 0:42:10.680 So now I told him. I said, look, I'm gonna 0:42:10.680 --> 0:42:12.400 have to replicate this record. You got to give me 0:42:12.480 --> 0:42:14.480 a week. They said, we'll give it whatever you want. 0:42:15.200 --> 0:42:18.000 I said, well, give me five days. Okay, fine, you're 0:42:18.040 --> 0:42:21.400 so good. So I took the exit disco funk around. 0:42:21.520 --> 0:42:24.279 I took the two track that we had and I 0:42:24.320 --> 0:42:26.520 put it on two of the twenty four track, and 0:42:26.640 --> 0:42:29.239 I sang on another track, and I mixed it down 0:42:29.320 --> 0:42:31.919 to a two track and that took like four hours 0:42:31.960 --> 0:42:33.839 and we were done, and then cut these three other 0:42:33.960 --> 0:42:34.680 songs with the. 0:42:40.520 --> 0:42:42.960 Hustle Hustle, This the Best. 0:42:42.920 --> 0:42:46.880 Hustle One Congratulated sixteen, and those. 0:42:46.719 --> 0:42:49.439 Three tunes got us our manager and eventually our record. 0:42:49.520 --> 0:42:51.960 You, Louis, I know there's a guy documenting your every life, 0:42:52.040 --> 0:42:53.400 but do you have like a book deal where you 0:42:53.520 --> 0:42:55.400 tell everybody how to make it in the music business. 0:42:56.400 --> 0:42:58.359 Because I'm in the music business and I would totally 0:42:58.400 --> 0:43:05.040 buy that ship. In the sand like, I mean ship, 0:43:05.680 --> 0:43:07.919 So I kind of want to skip over, not skip 0:43:08.000 --> 0:43:13.440 over the eighties. No, no, no, no, dude, Like this 0:43:13.560 --> 0:43:15.399 is the education first of all? 0:43:15.960 --> 0:43:18.759 Can I assume that the baddest bad that you cover 0:43:18.920 --> 0:43:20.600 Nicholas is also the badest bad? 0:43:20.880 --> 0:43:24.319 Was Dave Edmonds born Nicholas. 0:43:24.200 --> 0:43:27.200 Blue shuffle the way he did? But then it's God? 0:43:27.440 --> 0:43:30.000 But then what we repraised it as the a cappella 0:43:30.160 --> 0:43:31.520 thing on sports? 0:43:31.840 --> 0:43:33.800 Okay, so still the same song, that same song, I 0:43:33.840 --> 0:43:34.400 don't want to know. 0:43:34.480 --> 0:43:35.799 But a completely different version. 0:43:35.880 --> 0:43:38.520 Yeah, okay, okay, So what what I do want to 0:43:38.600 --> 0:43:43.600 know is how was Bill Snee being a skilly dan 0:43:43.719 --> 0:43:44.400 head that I am? 0:43:45.320 --> 0:43:46.360 How is Bill Snee? 0:43:46.800 --> 0:43:46.920 Uh? 0:43:48.239 --> 0:43:50.600 How did he get involved with the very first Huey 0:43:50.680 --> 0:43:53.080 Lewis record? His his engineering you. 0:43:53.239 --> 0:43:55.960 Know your stuff? Well, see this is the thing your stuff? 0:43:57.760 --> 0:43:59.600 I want to because the thing is is. 0:43:59.640 --> 0:44:01.839 That well Shnave's done a lot of stuff, right. 0:44:02.440 --> 0:44:04.440 Yeah, but most of them, Like he was the engineer 0:44:04.560 --> 0:44:08.960 of the classic steely stuff, And really I feel like 0:44:09.080 --> 0:44:11.799 his sound was the proprietor of I don't know if 0:44:11.880 --> 0:44:15.520 you consider that the four letter word of the perfection 0:44:15.640 --> 0:44:17.040 of yacht rock sounds. 0:44:18.080 --> 0:44:19.920 That clean sine. 0:44:20.000 --> 0:44:20.800 Yeah, I see that. 0:44:21.239 --> 0:44:24.560 So what was it did you have reservations with? Like 0:44:24.640 --> 0:44:25.200 what was your view? 0:44:25.239 --> 0:44:27.880 Because the thing is, you expressed a lot of opinions, 0:44:28.120 --> 0:44:30.759 especially on sports, were bad as bad and also the 0:44:30.840 --> 0:44:34.279 heart of rock and roll about what I assume your 0:44:34.440 --> 0:44:39.840 criticism of you know what, what is raw and true 0:44:39.960 --> 0:44:44.920 to the music versus you know, the scene of whatever's 0:44:44.920 --> 0:44:47.399 commercial today. So I'm as I'm assuming that you're coming 0:44:47.440 --> 0:44:50.080 from a purest standpoint to work with. 0:44:50.160 --> 0:44:51.560 They sound like American psycho. 0:44:57.800 --> 0:45:01.400 I know where you're going at, But I wasn't. Was 0:45:01.480 --> 0:45:04.080 it the fact that I mean, what made Was he 0:45:04.239 --> 0:45:04.880 chosen for you? 0:45:05.320 --> 0:45:09.480 Or yeah? He was chosen for us because they even 0:45:09.520 --> 0:45:11.799 though we'd had you know, we were more experienced than 0:45:12.560 --> 0:45:16.439 most new bands. I was twenty but I was twenty 0:45:16.560 --> 0:45:18.880 nine years old at that point, which is and so 0:45:20.480 --> 0:45:22.680 he was, you know, he worked with he did boss 0:45:22.960 --> 0:45:27.239 boss silk degree, and he was low down and he's 0:45:27.239 --> 0:45:31.560 a great's a famous engineer. He's a great engineer. And 0:45:31.680 --> 0:45:34.640 so yeah, we worked with we worked together, and we 0:45:34.760 --> 0:45:36.680 have this joke because we worked together a couple of 0:45:36.760 --> 0:45:40.040 times over the year and we don't work together. Well, 0:45:40.560 --> 0:45:45.840 I mean, how was the conflict idea what you're talking about? 0:45:45.960 --> 0:45:47.880 Yes, what was the was their conflict in? 0:45:48.640 --> 0:45:51.719 Musically? It never worked. I love Bill Shnee, He's a 0:45:51.800 --> 0:45:54.279 good friend of mine, right, but it just we just 0:45:54.520 --> 0:45:57.840 never I guess our tastes maybe didn't match or I 0:45:57.920 --> 0:46:01.360 don't know why. And he's a brilliant engineer. It just 0:46:01.520 --> 0:46:03.879 we just never could hit it. You know, we never 0:46:04.000 --> 0:46:07.960 got anything we ever did together just didn't happen. So 0:46:08.760 --> 0:46:12.160 second record, Now we get a secondment. And I told 0:46:12.800 --> 0:46:15.920 the manager, my manager, I said, look, we can do 0:46:16.040 --> 0:46:19.120 this ourselves. You know, by this point we'd had we 0:46:19.480 --> 0:46:24.200 auditioned producers and you know, gone through a zillion of them. 0:46:24.760 --> 0:46:28.160 And why weren't you using Nick Lowe as a producer. 0:46:29.320 --> 0:46:34.279 Well, let's see, we were now here, but Nick, I 0:46:34.320 --> 0:46:37.440 don't know, he hadn't. 0:46:37.239 --> 0:46:39.680 Gone while you were on crystals at this point or 0:46:40.040 --> 0:46:43.239 we're on chrystals okay, so and just a different label. 0:46:43.280 --> 0:46:45.239 But at this point we felt like we could do 0:46:45.280 --> 0:46:47.480 it ourselves. And our manager went to fight, went to 0:46:47.560 --> 0:46:50.120 bat for us, and so then we started making our 0:46:50.120 --> 0:46:50.640 own records. 0:46:50.960 --> 0:46:53.600 I also want you to discuss uh Phil from Thin 0:46:53.680 --> 0:46:59.480 Lizzie Phil Uh filling it? Yeah, and you played on 0:46:59.719 --> 0:47:02.960 a records as well, Like what was the relationship there 0:47:02.960 --> 0:47:04.520 and how well we When I. 0:47:04.520 --> 0:47:08.840 Was in Clover, we toured with Thin Lizzie and Philip 0:47:09.080 --> 0:47:14.359 was an unbelievable guy, an unbelievable performer first of all 0:47:14.760 --> 0:47:16.719 hard rock band with soul, you know what I mean. 0:47:16.760 --> 0:47:20.120 They were just great. And Brian Downey he's back up now, 0:47:20.160 --> 0:47:22.239 but he could play and he can shuffle, you know, 0:47:22.320 --> 0:47:25.640 which didn't used to happen in London in England. You know, 0:47:25.719 --> 0:47:29.480 there were guys, there's certain beats that just the British just. 0:47:29.600 --> 0:47:31.239 So British weren't too cool and you. 0:47:31.320 --> 0:47:35.000 Know what I mean, it couldn't couldn't swing somehow. And 0:47:35.360 --> 0:47:37.800 but but Brian Downey was great and thin as he 0:47:37.880 --> 0:47:41.239 were unbelievable, and uh, Philip just kind of took me 0:47:41.320 --> 0:47:44.000 under his wing man and said he I played on 0:47:44.040 --> 0:47:46.600 a few of his things, and I lived with him 0:47:46.600 --> 0:47:48.360 for a minute and he would dress me out of 0:47:48.400 --> 0:47:51.160 his closet, you know, and uh, he was just a 0:47:51.600 --> 0:47:54.040 He taught me more than anybody how to run a 0:47:54.160 --> 0:47:57.520 band and how to you know, just all kinds of stuff. 0:47:57.560 --> 0:48:01.320 I've learned everything everything nothing thiss sorry musically, but everything 0:48:01.440 --> 0:48:02.240 other than music. 0:48:02.760 --> 0:48:05.440 Okay, so on your second album, based on where the 0:48:05.520 --> 0:48:08.960 placement of do You Believe in Love is on that album, 0:48:09.160 --> 0:48:11.839 which is like kind of the middle side too, can 0:48:11.920 --> 0:48:14.120 I assume that was the last song recorded for the record? 0:48:14.360 --> 0:48:19.920 Yeah, damn, I'm good. You are good and not according 0:48:19.960 --> 0:48:22.440 to Yeah, because they, you know, we needed a hit 0:48:22.640 --> 0:48:24.719 kind of thing and they thought this was a single. 0:48:24.960 --> 0:48:27.919 That said Okay, the thing is what makes that song 0:48:28.040 --> 0:48:37.880 stand out so much to me. So how did you 0:48:37.960 --> 0:48:41.600 guys as well? First of all, as a unit, how 0:48:41.640 --> 0:48:45.360 long were you guys together in the gelling process and 0:48:45.520 --> 0:48:49.320 the practice process and to get that good because you 0:48:49.400 --> 0:48:50.839 guys play like you like each other. 0:48:51.000 --> 0:48:58.640 Yeah, well we were, we were right now Yeah, what 0:48:58.760 --> 0:48:59.360 are you saying? 0:49:02.480 --> 0:49:04.960 Years for the roots to like each other? And wow 0:49:05.880 --> 0:49:07.960 we love each other now because we're old ass men, 0:49:08.440 --> 0:49:10.840 we all we got wow. 0:49:11.120 --> 0:49:13.320 But ship just got real therapy. 0:49:15.080 --> 0:49:16.560 I will say in it that. 0:49:18.040 --> 0:49:21.759 Yes, the chemistry and the gelling of course comes together 0:49:21.840 --> 0:49:25.000 on that record. But I based on the tightness of 0:49:25.000 --> 0:49:28.640 the harmonies. That's where I feel like you guys really 0:49:28.680 --> 0:49:31.560 shine where most groups don't, like you know, occasionally Eagles 0:49:31.600 --> 0:49:32.560 with that level too. 0:49:32.880 --> 0:49:38.640 Yeah, how we have the secret is good singers and 0:49:38.760 --> 0:49:43.120 Johnny Cola are our saxophone and guitar is a great singer, 0:49:43.760 --> 0:49:47.120 and and and also and a great arranger. And Bill 0:49:47.200 --> 0:49:51.000 our drummer, sings, and Sean sings bass, and and and 0:49:51.160 --> 0:49:53.440 we have a kind of an okay, blend. We're just 0:49:53.600 --> 0:49:55.920 lucky that way. You know, you never know, you never 0:49:56.000 --> 0:49:58.360 know about it's a little bit better. A blend is 0:49:58.400 --> 0:50:00.400 a blend, you know what. It either works for a 0:50:00.480 --> 0:50:03.279 dozen or it is what it is. But uh, but 0:50:03.400 --> 0:50:05.440 that's what that is. And Johnny Colea gets most of 0:50:05.480 --> 0:50:08.439 the credit for that, for the vocals, arrangements and stuff. Okay, 0:50:08.640 --> 0:50:09.359 he's great. 0:50:09.480 --> 0:50:12.360 So how did you wrestle that song from Mutt without 0:50:12.440 --> 0:50:13.080 him producing it? 0:50:14.400 --> 0:50:15.919 Well, how do we get the song? 0:50:16.200 --> 0:50:17.520 Or did he demo it perfectly? 0:50:17.560 --> 0:50:21.160 And you guys, and I rewrote it a little bit. 0:50:21.239 --> 0:50:23.839 It was he had it. We both believe in love, 0:50:24.480 --> 0:50:28.399 we both believe it's ours. You really give enough? Yeah, 0:50:28.440 --> 0:50:37.960 you really make me see the stars. I went on, wait, 0:50:38.040 --> 0:50:39.480 did you just ask him for a throwaway? 0:50:40.440 --> 0:50:42.440 Like, do you have anything that you asked. 0:50:42.280 --> 0:50:44.560 Him for a song? I said, but you got a song, 0:50:44.640 --> 0:50:46.279 We got a record. You know, we need a song. 0:50:46.719 --> 0:50:49.520 And this is post a c d C. Because yeah, 0:50:49.640 --> 0:50:52.120 now oh so now he's on fire and yeah that 0:50:52.200 --> 0:50:54.680 sort of thing. Well, yeah, I think it's post. Yeah 0:50:54.719 --> 0:50:58.160 it has to be eight two. Okay, you're right. Well, 0:50:58.840 --> 0:51:01.719 so how did you wrestle it from him? How'd I 0:51:01.760 --> 0:51:04.960 wrestle it from him? No, he was he was happy. 0:51:05.280 --> 0:51:05.839 It was great. 0:51:05.880 --> 0:51:06.879 He just said it right away. 0:51:07.040 --> 0:51:07.320 Okay. 0:51:07.560 --> 0:51:11.719 He's a good friend, Mutt, and he's a brilliant you know, 0:51:11.840 --> 0:51:15.440 you know, I mean he's a CDC and foreigner and 0:51:16.120 --> 0:51:16.360 all the. 0:51:18.120 --> 0:51:21.200 So can you tell me? I mean, of course, I 0:51:21.320 --> 0:51:23.840 mean Beaver missed to not say that. We have to 0:51:23.880 --> 0:51:24.320 announce that. 0:51:24.440 --> 0:51:28.160 Of course, the rise of MTV was very instrumental in 0:51:28.280 --> 0:51:30.880 the millions of records you sold that you know, for 0:51:31.239 --> 0:51:35.279 the Sports album, your third album. But could you tell 0:51:35.360 --> 0:51:40.319 me what was the touring environment like before Sports as 0:51:40.360 --> 0:51:45.400 opposed to afterwards? As far as right, what was what 0:51:45.640 --> 0:51:46.919 was what was rock? 0:51:47.239 --> 0:51:49.719 What was touring like for. 0:51:51.400 --> 0:51:55.640 Pre MTV kind of like what was were you guys 0:51:55.800 --> 0:52:00.640 Chitlin circuit? You know, you had one top ten hit? Like, 0:52:00.760 --> 0:52:02.239 what was the environment like that? 0:52:02.280 --> 0:52:02.400 Oh? 0:52:02.440 --> 0:52:04.759 We had we had one tour were called working for 0:52:04.800 --> 0:52:07.800 a Living tour where we had all of us on 0:52:08.000 --> 0:52:11.239 one bus, right, and the crew and the thing, and 0:52:11.880 --> 0:52:14.200 we went out for ten weeks. We held our record 0:52:14.280 --> 0:52:18.040 back because we were just finished with sports record and 0:52:18.960 --> 0:52:22.880 we basically just finished it, and then, uh, the record 0:52:23.000 --> 0:52:25.680 label we hadn't mixed it yet, and the record label 0:52:25.760 --> 0:52:30.640 went belly up Christmas and sold out to CBS. Christmas 0:52:31.400 --> 0:52:35.439 sold out to down Christmas, went shut down their whole 0:52:35.480 --> 0:52:39.160 distribution and all their stuff and went with CBS Distribution. 0:52:39.320 --> 0:52:42.799 They fired about most of their employees and a lot 0:52:42.840 --> 0:52:44.600 of a lot of their independent stuff they got rid 0:52:44.680 --> 0:52:48.960 of and just became a label then, and CBS was 0:52:49.000 --> 0:52:51.160 going to distribute. Well, we weren't sure how that was 0:52:51.200 --> 0:52:55.040 going to work out. So manager decided we just hit 0:52:55.120 --> 0:52:57.040 the road and try and pay for ourselves. So we 0:52:57.120 --> 0:52:59.200 did a ten week working for a living tour. We 0:52:59.280 --> 0:53:01.640 did all the clubs and all the all that sort 0:53:01.680 --> 0:53:02.200 of stuff. 0:53:02.000 --> 0:53:03.759 You guys alone with other acts. 0:53:04.400 --> 0:53:06.800 But as soon as the record hit, well, you know, 0:53:06.880 --> 0:53:10.960 we got a tour. We toured with Well thirty eight Special, 0:53:11.400 --> 0:53:15.400 toured with Toto, a little bit turned with and you 0:53:15.520 --> 0:53:19.000 could feel the record happening, you know, are you could 0:53:19.080 --> 0:53:22.000 just feel people showing up for the record now. 0:53:22.920 --> 0:53:28.000 I mean there are different types of audiences for pop music, 0:53:28.719 --> 0:53:33.160 and you know, I mean, have you ever encountered or 0:53:33.320 --> 0:53:35.600 toured with an act whose fan base was different than 0:53:35.640 --> 0:53:38.720 what you desired? I mean. 0:53:40.880 --> 0:53:44.759 Clover Clover reopened for Alice Cooper at the Nasau Coliseum. 0:53:45.880 --> 0:53:51.920 We got bombed Long Island, landing here and here and 0:53:52.680 --> 0:53:57.240 boom and guys, damn sheep Gordon then protect you, guys. 0:53:59.520 --> 0:54:05.480 Say still there on the show. 0:54:09.520 --> 0:54:13.640 Not known for its security, the Clovers. 0:54:13.719 --> 0:54:14.719 I mean, the thing is is that. 0:54:16.360 --> 0:54:20.080 You know what what what audience do you feel is 0:54:20.120 --> 0:54:24.520 specifically your audience as opposed to like, was was there 0:54:24.640 --> 0:54:29.640 any worry, any worries about pairing with another acting? 0:54:30.000 --> 0:54:33.400 Yeah? Yeah, I mean we are first Huey Lewis and 0:54:33.400 --> 0:54:36.520 the News. First tour was with the Doobie Brothers because 0:54:36.520 --> 0:54:40.400 they were pals. Var makes sense and McPhee our Clover's 0:54:40.400 --> 0:54:42.960 old guitar player was now playing with the Doobies, so 0:54:43.120 --> 0:54:45.000 that we we got that tour. We had the same 0:54:45.040 --> 0:54:47.960 agency and all that. So we went out with Adobies 0:54:48.040 --> 0:54:51.520 for a national tour and we got basically booed off, 0:54:54.160 --> 0:54:56.040 not quite bowed up, because we knew enough to go 0:54:56.480 --> 0:54:58.719 from song to song before they could book. But if 0:54:58.760 --> 0:55:01.680 you if you you would, if you just wait, just 0:55:01.920 --> 0:55:03.919 be quiet, it would go whit. 0:55:05.400 --> 0:55:10.160 I remember, where's your all, right, what's the worst. Let's 0:55:10.160 --> 0:55:15.320 stay in North America in your mind? What's your favorite 0:55:15.440 --> 0:55:17.920 territory where they're open mind? Like I got my spots, 0:55:17.960 --> 0:55:19.880 Like I know where they're open minded and where I 0:55:19.920 --> 0:55:22.719 can stretch with the stuff, and then I know where 0:55:23.360 --> 0:55:25.719 it's going to be a cell even twenty years in 0:55:25.760 --> 0:55:27.200 the game, where I got to hit them with the 0:55:27.280 --> 0:55:31.520 hits and get out. For you, what are you rolling 0:55:31.600 --> 0:55:33.360 your eyes at? Like, oh god, we got to go 0:55:33.440 --> 0:55:37.000 back to like what territories were not to LA's stuff. 0:55:37.480 --> 0:55:40.239 LA has always been tough for us, a San Francisco band, 0:55:41.120 --> 0:55:44.759 and we've always you know, well the and the I 0:55:44.840 --> 0:55:47.759 mean we'd go down there and you know, there was 0:55:48.239 --> 0:55:51.160 X and then there was the who are the other bands? 0:55:51.160 --> 0:55:54.520 There's zillion bands that rock acts and who all did great, 0:55:55.239 --> 0:55:57.520 But we never they never reckoned us down there. We 0:55:57.560 --> 0:56:01.000 could never never get over, never get until and then 0:56:01.080 --> 0:56:06.480 once I remember, we finally years later, we played we 0:56:06.880 --> 0:56:10.160 played three forms three LA forums and you know, and 0:56:10.239 --> 0:56:12.279 now we're back in l A again and we had 0:56:12.360 --> 0:56:17.439 three forums. First night, everybody's there, you know, all the music, 0:56:17.480 --> 0:56:20.359 all the total guys, all the all the musicians are there, 0:56:20.440 --> 0:56:24.200 snaves there, you know, all the all. I'm nervous, you know, 0:56:24.840 --> 0:56:28.120 you know, yeah, all that stuff. And then it sold 0:56:28.160 --> 0:56:33.200 out and all. So I remember thinking, be just don't 0:56:33.280 --> 0:56:37.440 press relax, Just don't press relax, you know. And it's like, 0:56:37.719 --> 0:56:40.279 I'm a kind of a veteran now. So I go 0:56:40.440 --> 0:56:44.520 out the first night and I play what I think 0:56:44.680 --> 0:56:47.240 is a great show. We have a great show. Finally, 0:56:47.320 --> 0:56:49.880 I wasn't nervous. I feel great anytime I get I 0:56:50.160 --> 0:56:52.640 before that, when I would get a bad review, we 0:56:53.640 --> 0:56:57.120 actually got great reviews starting up. But whenever I get 0:56:57.120 --> 0:56:58.919 a bad review, it was always from a bad show, 0:56:59.320 --> 0:57:01.200 and I could always think to myself, you know what, 0:57:01.520 --> 0:57:03.520 he's right, I could have been better. That's right, it's 0:57:03.520 --> 0:57:06.440 no problem. So this time LA for him. First night, 0:57:07.520 --> 0:57:10.239 I think it is a great show. We go back 0:57:10.280 --> 0:57:12.880 to the hotel, we go to bed. I wake up 0:57:12.920 --> 0:57:19.200 in the morning, I want to see the paper. Everybody 0:57:19.240 --> 0:57:22.080 in this room knows where this is going on. And 0:57:22.760 --> 0:57:26.240 my manager's having breakfast and he goes, hey, here, he says, 0:57:26.560 --> 0:57:30.720 everybody who had got a great review in the La 0:57:30.920 --> 0:57:35.640 Times come on down and eat breakfast. Not so fast, 0:57:40.920 --> 0:57:45.160 Robert Hilbert had just tore me up. You know, I thought, 0:57:45.320 --> 0:57:50.160 damn it, what's that about. Well, here's here's you guys 0:57:50.160 --> 0:57:53.280 will appreciate this, I think, I hope. But so I 0:57:54.000 --> 0:57:56.080 struggled with that because I know we were good that 0:57:56.320 --> 0:57:59.040 night and I wasn't nervous, and I knew we were good, 0:57:59.440 --> 0:58:03.160 and it just bothered me for years. Now I'm recording 0:58:03.200 --> 0:58:08.320 another record at Lucas Uh Lucas's studio, Skywalker Ranch and 0:58:08.480 --> 0:58:11.920 George Lucas and they just opened it. This is amazing studio, 0:58:12.040 --> 0:58:15.720 and George is giving me a personal tour and we 0:58:15.920 --> 0:58:17.920 go around. He shows me everything. It's really great, and 0:58:17.960 --> 0:58:20.240 he says, now, at first the house and they have 0:58:20.320 --> 0:58:23.760 this unbelievable where they give you lunch and all. Now 0:58:23.920 --> 0:58:26.160 the ranch and all that. He says, Now, let's go look, 0:58:26.240 --> 0:58:28.120 let's go. Let me show you the studio. I said great. 0:58:28.160 --> 0:58:30.720 He says, Linda's in there now, Linda Ronstad. That's when 0:58:30.760 --> 0:58:34.760 he was dating. She was dating George. I said, oh great, great. 0:58:35.120 --> 0:58:37.240 We go in the studio and there's Linda and then 0:58:37.400 --> 0:58:39.880 she goes, oh man, Hi, Huey got I love your stuff. 0:58:39.920 --> 0:58:42.920 Both She's just funny. Should be here because Brian Wilson's 0:58:42.960 --> 0:58:45.360 showing up in a minute to do some vocals. I said, 0:58:45.840 --> 0:58:48.880 you're kidding me. No, I said, wow, do you mind 0:58:48.920 --> 0:58:52.200 if I just hang out? She just no, no problem. Great, 0:58:52.680 --> 0:58:56.200 So I finished, I said, I'm hanging around. But it's 0:58:56.280 --> 0:58:59.640 like lunch. They're taking a break. Boom, here's Brian. I said, well, 0:58:59.640 --> 0:59:03.080 I do myself, Mike, Brian, this is Huey. Lucy goes, 0:59:03.160 --> 0:59:05.680 oh man, you know there's funny ways. Yeah, I know 0:59:05.760 --> 0:59:07.800 who you are. I know you are just I saw 0:59:07.840 --> 0:59:10.080 your show. I've seen the show. He's just my top 0:59:10.160 --> 0:59:12.440 ten might have been top three, top three shows I've 0:59:12.440 --> 0:59:15.840 ever seen ever ever, top three, top three shows. I said, whoa, 0:59:16.520 --> 0:59:18.360 thank you really great? You mind if I share that 0:59:18.440 --> 0:59:21.120 with my guys? Yeah, no, no problem. I said, wow, 0:59:21.160 --> 0:59:23.760 that's going to make our whole day. I said, where 0:59:23.960 --> 0:59:26.880 was it? He said, l A four? I said, I said, 0:59:27.000 --> 0:59:29.760 I said, which night? Which night? He says, first night. 0:59:29.880 --> 0:59:38.400 I said, Brian Wilson, wilcuse me wrong, ran true story. 0:59:39.840 --> 0:59:41.720 The look and discussed there's three quarters. 0:59:45.120 --> 0:59:48.040 No, well that's funny he mentioned Wilson because I didn't 0:59:48.080 --> 0:59:50.800 want to go superquest lovel hyper bowl when. 0:59:50.680 --> 0:59:53.840 I hyper bowl. 0:59:54.120 --> 0:59:56.680 Yes I am hyper bowl. That's my favorite sport. 0:59:56.800 --> 0:59:58.520 Hyper Bowl, no happen. 0:59:58.640 --> 1:00:00.040 I didn't want to go full. 1:00:00.080 --> 1:00:03.240 Quest love hyperbole when I wanted to compare their harmony 1:00:03.320 --> 1:00:05.439 game close to that of Beach Boys. 1:00:05.880 --> 1:00:06.640 But that's how tight. 1:00:06.920 --> 1:00:09.040 You gave it an email and they were a big 1:00:09.160 --> 1:00:11.800 influence on and you can clearly that ship. 1:00:12.200 --> 1:00:12.720 You can hear it. 1:00:12.880 --> 1:00:13.760 That's why you know. 1:00:13.840 --> 1:00:14.280 I agree. 1:00:14.480 --> 1:00:18.600 Okay, I won't embarrass myself, but sorry about Robert Man. 1:00:18.680 --> 1:00:23.600 But I mean, uh, now that you say it, yeah, 1:00:23.760 --> 1:00:25.720 l A is not being kind to a lot of greats. 1:00:27.040 --> 1:00:32.560 There's the infamous uh Prince Rolling Rolling Stone uh show 1:00:32.560 --> 1:00:35.479 where he got mercilessly boot. I mean, there's plenty of others. 1:00:35.520 --> 1:00:38.120 So that's weird that you say that l A is. 1:00:39.160 --> 1:00:42.280 I can I can imagine. I can imagine that. 1:00:42.680 --> 1:00:45.480 I think for you, it's probably easy to do a 1:00:45.560 --> 1:00:48.560 spot outside of LA where there's not the pressure here 1:00:48.640 --> 1:00:49.080 is watching you. 1:00:50.400 --> 1:00:56.040 Tulsa, Oklahoma, these are good towns for us. It's it's 1:00:56.520 --> 1:01:00.560 it's I don't want to. 1:01:02.280 --> 1:01:02.960 Lewis Camp. 1:01:04.480 --> 1:01:05.640 Make it pounds LSD. 1:01:05.840 --> 1:01:09.120 You can't stop outing with you. What the fuck is happening? 1:01:09.520 --> 1:01:11.680 Like mind meld, we're getting the contact. 1:01:11.840 --> 1:01:13.240 Yeah, I mean it's magic. 1:01:13.400 --> 1:01:16.000 No, I mean it's it's it's like a sports sports towns, 1:01:16.480 --> 1:01:19.840 the great sports town also great rock and roll towns, 1:01:19.920 --> 1:01:22.360 and the towns were you know, I mean, l A 1:01:22.440 --> 1:01:25.240 is the worst baseball town in the world. To this place. 1:01:26.760 --> 1:01:29.960 We had heard for years the Cleveland was was the 1:01:30.320 --> 1:01:32.720 was the best rock and roll town in America. And 1:01:32.840 --> 1:01:37.120 I thought, really, Cleveland, how can Cleveland be? I had 1:01:37.200 --> 1:01:40.400 no clol So we played the Agora there and had 1:01:40.440 --> 1:01:44.640 this amazing gig. And afterwards we're driving out of town 1:01:45.960 --> 1:01:49.560 in the bus and it and it's a gray, kind 1:01:49.600 --> 1:01:54.040 of a dismal day and the skyline of Cleveland is 1:01:54.280 --> 1:01:58.160 its not every day, pretty rough looking. And I said, 1:01:58.280 --> 1:02:02.360 I said to the guys that we'd had this. I went, wow, guys, 1:02:02.440 --> 1:02:04.640 you know what the harder rock and roll really is 1:02:04.720 --> 1:02:07.480 in Cleveland. I said, Oh my god, that's a song, 1:02:07.600 --> 1:02:11.320 the harder rock and rolls in Cleveland. And my that's 1:02:11.400 --> 1:02:16.320 the genesis of it, John, the harder rock and rolls 1:02:16.360 --> 1:02:19.320 in Cleveland. Oh my god, I'll work on it. I'll 1:02:19.360 --> 1:02:20.520 work on it and so but. 1:02:20.600 --> 1:02:23.920 That was the inspry. 1:02:26.360 --> 1:02:27.920 Because I've been saying the harder rock and roll is 1:02:27.960 --> 1:02:30.160 the beat still beating. 1:02:31.080 --> 1:02:34.160 That initially that I just thought it was the beat 1:02:34.680 --> 1:02:36.320 still beating, like still beaten, still beating. 1:02:37.200 --> 1:02:40.880 The old boy might be barely breathing. Okay, Harder rock 1:02:40.960 --> 1:02:43.920 and roll would still be, thank you. And really what 1:02:44.040 --> 1:02:46.960 it's about is about you know, the rock and roll 1:02:47.080 --> 1:02:50.120 business is in l A and New York, but you 1:02:50.240 --> 1:02:52.880 find good bands everywhere, and good music is everywhere, and 1:02:53.000 --> 1:02:55.320 that's what that's That was how vindicated? 1:02:56.040 --> 1:02:59.760 How vindicated did you feel when they announced in eighty 1:02:59.760 --> 1:03:01.480 seven that the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame was 1:03:01.520 --> 1:03:04.280 going to be well still be because we were all 1:03:04.440 --> 1:03:07.120 like what And then once they gave their reasons, I 1:03:07.240 --> 1:03:11.040 was like, okay, okay, So were you at all shocked 1:03:11.160 --> 1:03:11.520 at the. 1:03:13.160 --> 1:03:14.960 Reception of sports at all? 1:03:17.320 --> 1:03:19.880 Well? Yeah, I mean, you know the thing is when 1:03:19.920 --> 1:03:24.240 I listened to sports right as I realized then we 1:03:24.320 --> 1:03:27.280 were making on records and this is eighty We made 1:03:27.320 --> 1:03:30.800 the record in eighty two, released. 1:03:30.480 --> 1:03:32.680 In eighty three, So I'm sorry what studio. 1:03:34.040 --> 1:03:38.560 We cut mostly at the record plant and at Fantasy 1:03:38.880 --> 1:03:44.280 Records and a place called Studio D in Saucelito did 1:03:44.320 --> 1:03:47.680 some overdubs Era and Bob Cleer Mountain mixed it here 1:03:47.720 --> 1:03:50.960 at the power station right here in New York. But 1:03:51.840 --> 1:03:54.040 if you think about it, eighty three radio was king. 1:03:54.560 --> 1:03:57.040 MTV had just started. There was a big beef about 1:03:57.040 --> 1:04:00.000 how MTV wasn't playing any diverse artists and that stuff. 1:04:00.320 --> 1:04:02.680 But what they were doing is they were following radio 1:04:02.800 --> 1:04:07.080 and Records's playlist exactly. That's why some of the tunes 1:04:07.120 --> 1:04:09.280 which your hits had those horrible videos that they kept 1:04:09.320 --> 1:04:11.440 showing over and over again, and then we have those. 1:04:11.800 --> 1:04:15.320 But it was a radio world and there was no internet. 1:04:15.480 --> 1:04:19.200 There was no you know, no no pop radio, no, 1:04:19.400 --> 1:04:24.320 no computers, no, none of that stuff. So you we 1:04:24.440 --> 1:04:27.800 had and by then CHR radio was the only format. 1:04:28.480 --> 1:04:31.000 You know. Radio Top forty started with a guy in 1:04:31.080 --> 1:04:34.560 Fresno with the advent of push button radio. A program 1:04:34.680 --> 1:04:37.600 in Fesno figured out that if with push button radios, 1:04:37.840 --> 1:04:41.360 if people heard something they didn't like, they'd switch the channel. 1:04:41.560 --> 1:04:45.040 So the idea was narrow your playlist. Top forty, play 1:04:45.120 --> 1:04:46.880 the hits over and over again so they never leave. 1:04:47.320 --> 1:04:51.200 And then FM came as an alternative to that. With 1:04:51.360 --> 1:04:51.640 all the. 1:04:53.160 --> 1:04:53.840 Album cuts. 1:04:54.160 --> 1:04:59.440 But within eight years it was programmed and CHR was 1:04:59.600 --> 1:05:03.080 the format contemporary hit radio on f radio, and so 1:05:03.160 --> 1:05:06.120 we all competed for that format, which was a hit single. 1:05:06.480 --> 1:05:08.520 And if you did not have a hit single, you 1:05:08.640 --> 1:05:11.600 didn't exist. So our job making our record was to 1:05:11.640 --> 1:05:15.160 have a hit. And so we well, that's it. We 1:05:15.320 --> 1:05:18.880 aimed everything we are looking at, but we aimed every 1:05:19.040 --> 1:05:23.240 song at radio and different. One was kind of a rocker, 1:05:23.840 --> 1:05:26.200 one was kind of not a rocker. One was kind 1:05:26.200 --> 1:05:28.000 of a little more R and B. But we knew 1:05:28.040 --> 1:05:29.840 we needed a hit. We didn't know we were gonna 1:05:29.840 --> 1:05:33.400 have six album, but we knew we needed one. And beginning, 1:05:33.440 --> 1:05:35.120 what did you aim for, Like, let's just have three 1:05:35.160 --> 1:05:37.919 top ten hits in a single a hit. I tried 1:05:37.960 --> 1:05:40.160 to make everything I hit and and now that I 1:05:40.280 --> 1:05:44.360 listened back to sports, it is an album of its time. 1:05:44.440 --> 1:05:49.160 It's a collection of singles album. The greatest one song 1:05:49.240 --> 1:05:51.560 doesn't have anything to do with the other song. I 1:05:51.640 --> 1:05:54.520 mean finally found a Home and bad as bad these 1:05:54.560 --> 1:05:57.720 are these are like different genres of music entirely in 1:05:57.800 --> 1:06:02.760 a way. Our subsequent albums hold together much better as albums, and. 1:06:02.760 --> 1:06:04.480 You didn't clearly didn't think about that as you were 1:06:04.520 --> 1:06:06.000 making this. It was just like it was just a hit. 1:06:06.080 --> 1:06:06.760 It was just make a hit. 1:06:06.840 --> 1:06:07.600 It wasn't like make. 1:06:10.200 --> 1:06:12.560 And make and hit hey as a song. I'll go 1:06:12.720 --> 1:06:18.520 one above MTV and ask you, did you ever fathom 1:06:18.680 --> 1:06:25.200 in your life that one day your song, uh, specifically 1:06:25.400 --> 1:06:30.360 the harder rock and roll would ever be utilized in 1:06:30.520 --> 1:06:32.280 a soul trained dance line? 1:06:35.120 --> 1:06:40.960 Are you where the fact that you guys have rotation 1:06:41.160 --> 1:06:42.880 on Soul Trained for one year? 1:06:43.360 --> 1:06:43.959 We would? 1:06:44.280 --> 1:06:45.040 So here's the deal. 1:06:45.160 --> 1:06:47.520 So Cornelius had had taste, here's the. 1:06:49.400 --> 1:06:52.480 So good confirmed the deal was in eighty four. 1:06:53.120 --> 1:06:57.160 Okay, So Black People's relationship with MTV's is rather strange 1:06:57.160 --> 1:06:59.840 because of course, you know, Rick Rick James had legitimate 1:06:59.880 --> 1:07:02.040 be like, well, I've sold out stadiums. 1:07:02.080 --> 1:07:03.720 No, no, no, I'm not on TV. So the thing 1:07:03.880 --> 1:07:11.600 is to watch Michael Jackson videos. Especially that most cable 1:07:13.000 --> 1:07:16.360 networks weren't in the actual inner city. They were more 1:07:16.400 --> 1:07:19.280 of a suburbia thing. So we would have to plan weekends. 1:07:19.320 --> 1:07:23.120 So I would spend like a weekend a youth bill. 1:07:23.400 --> 1:07:25.320 I just remembered, like going to my aunt's house in 1:07:25.960 --> 1:07:27.200 Kentucky and she had MTV. 1:07:27.520 --> 1:07:28.760 Yeah, and that's the thing. 1:07:29.320 --> 1:07:32.440 Most of my weekends in nineteen eighty three eighty four, Yo, 1:07:32.560 --> 1:07:35.280 can I spend the night Aunts Sheer and Uncle Junie's house. 1:07:35.600 --> 1:07:38.120 So I would go to the suburbs, the Philly out 1:07:38.160 --> 1:07:39.800 in Yayden, back when Jayden was a. 1:07:39.840 --> 1:07:44.520 Suburb, and I would sit in front of MTV seventeen 1:07:44.640 --> 1:07:48.200 hours now, yes, to wait for those five rotations of 1:07:48.360 --> 1:07:50.360 beat It to come on and Billy Jean. 1:07:50.760 --> 1:07:54.120 However, all that other stuff's coming to me too. You 1:07:54.160 --> 1:07:55.200 guys are coming to each. 1:07:55.240 --> 1:07:58.080 I remember the Pat bennettar one where the Nazis are doing. 1:07:57.960 --> 1:08:03.680 This, yes, yes, yeah, Hells for Children. 1:08:04.880 --> 1:08:09.360 It's literally like all this Thomas Dobie and Nina ninety 1:08:09.440 --> 1:08:14.520 nine lef yes, everything, everything that defines MTV. I'm I'm 1:08:14.720 --> 1:08:17.400 absorbing just so I can wait for the Michael Jackson videos. 1:08:17.439 --> 1:08:21.280 But I'm you know, after nine nine rotations of this 1:08:21.800 --> 1:08:23.080 now I'm fans of them too. 1:08:23.680 --> 1:08:26.040 And just think a moment a mirror. I just want 1:08:26.040 --> 1:08:27.600 to think the whole audience is went. That's why I 1:08:27.720 --> 1:08:28.639 know all this ship. 1:08:29.360 --> 1:08:31.360 We were waiting for beat It to come on every 1:08:31.600 --> 1:08:34.760 hour and a half. Because so the thing is is 1:08:35.720 --> 1:08:40.320 that in eighty four, I think Don Cornelius saw the 1:08:40.400 --> 1:08:44.120 paradigm shift. So the first sign of it was during 1:08:44.200 --> 1:08:49.240 the during the Tina Marie episode of eighty four, he showed. 1:08:50.920 --> 1:08:52.360 Everyone remembers where they were. 1:08:56.200 --> 1:08:58.880 It was like that time that no, no, no, well 1:08:58.880 --> 1:09:00.880 I'm saying they showed the rap around your finger thing, 1:09:00.960 --> 1:09:02.800 and that was weird to say. And now from the 1:09:02.880 --> 1:09:04.960 video world, one of the rock greats, the police are 1:09:05.000 --> 1:09:05.920 wrapped around your finger. 1:09:06.000 --> 1:09:09.360 We're like, we look at each other like huh. White 1:09:09.400 --> 1:09:10.439 people assault like this. 1:09:11.280 --> 1:09:14.559 So during the run DMC episode of Soul Training, white 1:09:14.560 --> 1:09:16.960 people were never on jazz band, well, no they were, 1:09:17.160 --> 1:09:20.000 I mean, Bowie down. 1:09:20.000 --> 1:09:25.160 John breathing breathing black people. I get it. 1:09:25.960 --> 1:09:28.479 So the point is that during the run dem Se 1:09:28.680 --> 1:09:32.360 dazz Band episode, they showed the Hard Rock. 1:09:32.240 --> 1:09:34.880 And Roll Video Award. 1:09:35.600 --> 1:09:37.920 No it was I mean then it was like, you know, 1:09:39.000 --> 1:09:41.680 I realized that Don realized he had to play the 1:09:41.760 --> 1:09:44.679 game of the day, and the thing was you had 1:09:44.760 --> 1:09:46.519 to amalgamate. 1:09:47.600 --> 1:09:49.280 Modern pop inside your format. 1:09:49.720 --> 1:09:51.800 I mean, some things were weird, like I think once 1:09:52.120 --> 1:09:56.280 he tried to make uh Genesis illegal alien work. But 1:09:56.640 --> 1:10:01.000 the songs like one hundred and fifty DPMs. It's too 1:10:01.080 --> 1:10:02.880 song to dance, it's too fast to dance to. 1:10:03.000 --> 1:10:04.760 You can't do the whole line thing with that ship. 1:10:05.000 --> 1:10:08.920 So no harder rock and roll got three for you 1:10:09.040 --> 1:10:12.880 guys to be placed on the souldiering dance line, which 1:10:13.000 --> 1:10:17.519 is like, no, that's prime real estate spot. 1:10:18.240 --> 1:10:19.400 That is some major ship. 1:10:19.520 --> 1:10:21.760 You know about the dance line? Did you watch Train? 1:10:22.320 --> 1:10:23.639 I said, do you know about the dance line? 1:10:24.200 --> 1:10:24.400 Yeah? 1:10:24.439 --> 1:10:27.160 So you know that's like soul Train a cultural final 1:10:27.240 --> 1:10:27.560 about it. 1:10:28.400 --> 1:10:30.160 I know I never saw a harder rock and roll 1:10:30.200 --> 1:10:30.759 on Soultree. 1:10:31.400 --> 1:10:31.640 It is. 1:10:32.439 --> 1:10:34.760 It's a it's a thing, trust me, it's a major thing. 1:10:35.320 --> 1:10:45.519 It's crazy. Can you describe the night of USA for Africa? 1:10:45.920 --> 1:10:46.240 Jesus? 1:10:46.520 --> 1:10:48.519 Was it just a routine stop for you? Was it not? 1:10:48.720 --> 1:10:51.200 It was unbelievable. I mean, you mean we are the 1:10:51.240 --> 1:10:56.759 world right, yes, I mean you know you can imagine. 1:10:57.600 --> 1:11:00.640 Just you don't get to meet all those people in 1:11:01.240 --> 1:11:05.080 a lifetime or a career. And I mean, and Ray 1:11:05.160 --> 1:11:08.679 Charles was there. I couldn't. I couldn't. I couldn't even 1:11:08.760 --> 1:11:12.840 introduce myself to Ray Charles. I just I just hung 1:11:13.080 --> 1:11:16.840 back and watched him a lot of time. I totally 1:11:16.920 --> 1:11:19.720 understand it was I was just I'm just totally in 1:11:19.800 --> 1:11:22.120 all of Ray Charles. And then did you bomb with 1:11:22.200 --> 1:11:26.679 anyone there? Like, yeah, Paul Simon was was crazy? Okay, Paul? 1:11:28.240 --> 1:11:30.880 Was there anybody you were nervous to be besides Ray Charles? 1:11:31.080 --> 1:11:31.439 Everybody? 1:11:32.120 --> 1:11:34.160 Well, Bruce, we hung out with Bruce told jokes for 1:11:34.200 --> 1:11:36.760 a long time. It was they let nobody in there 1:11:36.840 --> 1:11:38.519 but the artists for a long time and it was 1:11:38.720 --> 1:11:39.519 really amazing. 1:11:39.800 --> 1:11:41.400 So all your people at to stay in the green 1:11:41.479 --> 1:11:42.160 room or a green. 1:11:42.120 --> 1:11:44.360 Room there with a thing and they were just it 1:11:44.520 --> 1:11:46.840 was just us and man, it was. It was an 1:11:46.880 --> 1:11:47.559 amazing evening. 1:11:47.680 --> 1:11:51.439 How long did general background vocals take to do for 1:11:51.600 --> 1:11:54.559 that session, the whole because I know that you're one 1:11:54.560 --> 1:11:56.800 of the leads, but all the background not long. How 1:11:56.880 --> 1:11:58.280 long did it take the record in general? 1:11:58.560 --> 1:12:02.120 Well, we started after to the American Music Awards, so 1:12:02.520 --> 1:12:07.240 that was probably eleven, well early in LA so six 1:12:07.360 --> 1:12:10.639 to nine, so we're there at ten o'clock, I bet, 1:12:11.120 --> 1:12:14.760 and we went all night and then the Dylan's thing 1:12:15.800 --> 1:12:18.240 that he sang was in the morning was like six 1:12:18.360 --> 1:12:19.080 seven in the morning. 1:12:19.400 --> 1:12:21.840 We can tell it looks it looks it he looks 1:12:21.880 --> 1:12:23.640 six am oh my goodness, so. 1:12:25.400 --> 1:12:26.800 He looks like six am six. 1:12:27.920 --> 1:12:30.320 So okay, here's the thing. 1:12:30.920 --> 1:12:34.400 I mean, background balls have probably done ten I bet 1:12:34.439 --> 1:12:37.400 they were done by midnight or twelve thirty. We all 1:12:37.479 --> 1:12:39.719 sang the same part, right, he did all the parts, 1:12:39.760 --> 1:12:42.120 and then we all sang the same part unison, and 1:12:42.160 --> 1:12:43.040 then they put him together. 1:12:43.640 --> 1:12:49.640 So I would almost say that your A game has 1:12:49.760 --> 1:12:54.280 to be on point because I would assume that it 1:12:54.320 --> 1:12:57.519 could be very intimidating to sing in front of all 1:12:57.560 --> 1:13:01.280 these people. So the ways we're like, look, okay, you 1:13:01.360 --> 1:13:03.880 got me singing right after Michael Jackson. Can I just 1:13:04.160 --> 1:13:06.600 punch in, like punch it. 1:13:06.640 --> 1:13:10.880 In or like it's funny, because I you know, I'm nervous. 1:13:11.000 --> 1:13:14.120 My legs my leg was shaken like this. I couldn't 1:13:14.400 --> 1:13:16.799 I couldn't stop my leg from shaking. I was so nervous. 1:13:17.120 --> 1:13:21.280 And of course we start and Hamburdo Gatica was the 1:13:21.680 --> 1:13:25.840 was the engineer, and so they start boom, and they 1:13:25.920 --> 1:13:28.200 wanted to go one full pass all the way around 1:13:28.720 --> 1:13:31.599 because they had to bleed the microphones one down, one 1:13:31.720 --> 1:13:34.080 up and like that, and with the ambience and everything, 1:13:34.280 --> 1:13:35.960 so they didn't want to punch and all that they 1:13:36.000 --> 1:13:38.840 want to get one full performance. So they started with 1:13:39.520 --> 1:13:43.120 Lionel and then Stevie Wonder and Stevie's messed this thing 1:13:43.240 --> 1:13:47.519 up kind of almost on purpose, just being cute and funny. 1:13:47.800 --> 1:13:50.120 So they stopped the tape and then they go back 1:13:50.160 --> 1:13:53.240 and they started again, and they get about halfway and 1:13:53.520 --> 1:13:56.960 Algerol messes up. They stop and they go back and 1:13:58.080 --> 1:13:59.639 now he comes out to a just bike. I said, 1:14:00.439 --> 1:14:02.479 can you run the whole piece so we can have 1:14:02.640 --> 1:14:06.559 a shot at her bed. You know, I just Quincy 1:14:06.720 --> 1:14:09.320 just sang me the line. No, he had Michael sing 1:14:09.439 --> 1:14:11.320 me the line. Quincy says, sing it for me. I 1:14:11.400 --> 1:14:14.599 sang it. He says, great, go again, So I want 1:14:14.680 --> 1:14:16.840 to try it right and and he keeps stopping, and 1:14:16.960 --> 1:14:19.160 he keeps stubbing, but finding we went all the way 1:14:19.240 --> 1:14:25.000 through and uh then we finished and and now Quincy says, 1:14:25.840 --> 1:14:28.080 it's good. But I'll tell you, let's do one more 1:14:28.120 --> 1:14:30.800 anding Hue, why don't you sing a harmony with with 1:14:31.120 --> 1:14:34.040 uh Cindy? Oh, he comes in. 1:14:34.200 --> 1:14:34.920 I was staying together. 1:14:35.320 --> 1:14:40.360 Okay, okay, well that's a creative choice. Single harmony was 1:14:40.600 --> 1:14:42.320 one am I gonna and I got look I'm looking 1:14:42.320 --> 1:14:46.960 at Stevie wonder right, and you know what, forget about it. 1:14:46.960 --> 1:14:49.200 I'm gonna make up this thing. And you know, so, 1:14:49.760 --> 1:14:51.400 you know, it worked out. I don't even know what 1:14:51.479 --> 1:14:51.720 I did. 1:14:51.880 --> 1:14:54.479 I was so that vocal was a concurrent, no point. 1:14:54.760 --> 1:14:56.479 All the way through. And when we cut it, you know, 1:14:56.560 --> 1:14:59.200 Michael was right next to me and and he was 1:14:59.520 --> 1:15:03.000 h he didn't miss a trick, man. I mean, he, 1:15:03.800 --> 1:15:07.200 in his kind of little spacey way, did not miss 1:15:07.400 --> 1:15:10.240 a trick. He knew exactly what was going on. And 1:15:10.640 --> 1:15:12.640 so when I asked Humberto, I said, can you let 1:15:12.680 --> 1:15:15.240 it run it through this weekend? Run our lines? You went, good, idea, 1:15:15.479 --> 1:15:19.080 that's good. So now now running head and finally we 1:15:19.200 --> 1:15:22.760 do this one pass that's really good. And now he 1:15:22.840 --> 1:15:26.439 goes and humber and Quincy goes, all right, good, let's 1:15:26.479 --> 1:15:28.680 do one more. And we go back to one more 1:15:28.760 --> 1:15:32.920 and he goes and Michael urgently grabs the shirts. They're 1:15:32.920 --> 1:15:34.720 going to save that, aren't they. I said, yeah, they're 1:15:34.720 --> 1:15:36.840 going to save that one. He goes, that was one. 1:15:36.920 --> 1:15:40.479 I said, I know it. It was the one. 1:15:40.600 --> 1:15:44.760 Look, yeah, I got anxiety just listening to the I need. 1:15:45.439 --> 1:15:48.920 Yeah, Michael did not miss a trick man was on it. 1:15:49.280 --> 1:15:51.280 How did you get how were you picked as one 1:15:51.320 --> 1:15:52.280 of the solo people? 1:15:53.080 --> 1:15:59.040 Got? No years, no, no, yeah. Other than that the group, 1:15:59.280 --> 1:16:06.120 I got princes line welcome, Oh. 1:16:09.479 --> 1:16:15.360 Siren, I did a siren. Wait you now, I gotta 1:16:15.360 --> 1:16:21.840 imagine Prince singing right before Michael, that little dirty Michael 1:16:21.880 --> 1:16:25.240 tried to set Prince up like I'm gonna go first 1:16:25.240 --> 1:16:27.800 and then you you followed me up. 1:16:28.760 --> 1:16:32.519 Wow. Yeah. Remember Prince didn't show on the whole deal. 1:16:32.680 --> 1:16:34.679 I think he was just too nervous to be around 1:16:34.720 --> 1:16:36.800 all those people. And plus he's the type of person 1:16:36.840 --> 1:16:38.439 that has to have a complete control over everything when 1:16:38.479 --> 1:16:39.320 he records. 1:16:40.160 --> 1:16:41.280 So he wasn't about to give. 1:16:41.360 --> 1:16:42.200 Michael had way too much. 1:16:42.240 --> 1:16:45.200 But so last minute I didn't know. I thought it 1:16:45.280 --> 1:16:49.120 was done and I'm over there, Well we finished the vote. Great, 1:16:50.000 --> 1:16:52.439 come guy. Some guy gives says, Quincy wants to see it, 1:16:52.920 --> 1:16:54.880 and I can walk back into the studio. He goes 1:16:56.360 --> 1:16:59.719 smelly singing the line he called Michael, just singing the line. 1:17:00.680 --> 1:17:01.959 Michael sings a line. 1:17:02.160 --> 1:17:02.640 I sing it. 1:17:02.680 --> 1:17:05.160 He goes, good, you got it, And it was Prince's 1:17:05.200 --> 1:17:05.760 line that I got. 1:17:05.800 --> 1:17:09.479 But also that line is fairly high in your range. 1:17:09.520 --> 1:17:11.240 If I'm not mistaken. Were you afraid of that line 1:17:11.280 --> 1:17:12.240 or were you just you felt it? 1:17:12.520 --> 1:17:13.000 What's that now? 1:17:13.080 --> 1:17:14.759 Were you afraid of the line because it's it's higher 1:17:14.920 --> 1:17:15.559 in your range? 1:17:15.600 --> 1:17:19.240 I think, Yeah, he sang it. I sang it back. 1:17:19.960 --> 1:17:23.280 That's awesome, you know. I was so I mean, that 1:17:23.560 --> 1:17:25.280 is kind of like a fog for me. I was 1:17:25.520 --> 1:17:28.519 so nervous. You can imagine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean 1:17:28.600 --> 1:17:34.360 there's your Bruce Springsteen, Bob Dylan raising under ray, Charles 1:17:34.880 --> 1:17:36.439 Danroyd forget about it. 1:17:39.080 --> 1:17:41.760 Yeah yeahh wait was this Stephen Bishop there too? No, 1:17:42.640 --> 1:17:45.280 it was someone somebody like really odd was just like 1:17:45.439 --> 1:17:47.560 Dan Akroyd. He was the odd one out because it 1:17:47.640 --> 1:17:49.040 was USA for Africa and he's Canadian. 1:17:49.080 --> 1:17:53.880 Whalen Jennings Wal Jennings. He did not have a good time, 1:17:54.080 --> 1:17:57.439 really he was. He was upset. He was upset, and 1:17:57.479 --> 1:17:59.519 he walked in the middle of the deal. He split. 1:17:59.720 --> 1:18:00.799 Oh wow, serious. 1:18:00.960 --> 1:18:05.479 Well, Stevie at some point wanted to the background vocals 1:18:05.520 --> 1:18:06.400 to be in Swahili. 1:18:07.000 --> 1:18:09.040 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, hearing about that. 1:18:09.439 --> 1:18:12.559 So we he got we sent out for two African 1:18:12.680 --> 1:18:16.320 gals who knew could speak Swahil. You could translate the 1:18:16.360 --> 1:18:19.200 background votes. And when they came into the studio and 1:18:19.280 --> 1:18:21.400 they and we're all standing around, they stand there, Okay, 1:18:21.640 --> 1:18:24.320 now what is this? Say this in swa anyway. 1:18:25.760 --> 1:18:26.280 Something like that. 1:18:27.960 --> 1:18:32.639 At this point, At this point, Ray Ray Charles goes, 1:18:33.080 --> 1:18:40.840 raise over here, Wrigles rang the bell, Quincy, is that 1:18:40.960 --> 1:18:41.400 any good? 1:18:45.040 --> 1:18:45.200 Good? 1:18:45.800 --> 1:18:47.360 You know there was a break. 1:18:47.560 --> 1:18:48.479 That's awesome. 1:18:48.720 --> 1:18:50.599 There was a break. There was a break in the action. 1:18:51.439 --> 1:18:55.240 And now we're taking a break. And I'm just shadowing, 1:18:55.400 --> 1:18:57.840 Ray Charles. This is what I did, though, I just 1:18:57.920 --> 1:18:59.200 staying three feet away from. 1:18:59.160 --> 1:19:00.759 Just checking them out, talking. 1:19:03.640 --> 1:19:04.200 Shadowing. 1:19:07.240 --> 1:19:09.280 But he now sits down at the piano and starts 1:19:09.320 --> 1:19:12.720 playing this kind of blues thing and he goes a 1:19:12.920 --> 1:19:15.840 cute remember this one. And he's playing like that, and 1:19:16.000 --> 1:19:19.120 Quincy looks at me and he goes, you know, Alana, 1:19:19.200 --> 1:19:22.320 Richie wasn't even born when we cut that song. Really, 1:19:23.560 --> 1:19:28.640 you know they did in Seattle. Pretty cool. Now I'm 1:19:28.720 --> 1:19:32.519 now I'm talking to Willie Nelson over there, and he's going, 1:19:33.120 --> 1:19:35.639 he's going, hey, I hear you play golf. I said, yeah, 1:19:35.640 --> 1:19:38.000 I just started. It's fun to do on the road. 1:19:38.240 --> 1:19:40.120 He goes, yeah, that's what we do. I said, I 1:19:40.240 --> 1:19:42.240 just you put your clubs on the bus. I said, yeah, 1:19:42.520 --> 1:19:44.120 we put our clubs on the bus and we played. 1:19:44.200 --> 1:19:45.920 He said, yeah, that's what we're doing too. And we're 1:19:45.960 --> 1:19:48.760 talking and Bob Dylan comes over, walks over and he goes, 1:19:49.400 --> 1:19:54.080 are you guys talking about golf? He said yeah. He goes, wow, 1:19:54.680 --> 1:20:01.759 that's outrageous. I said no, Bob, phil Skyline was outraged. 1:20:03.240 --> 1:20:04.639 This is just golf. 1:20:05.680 --> 1:20:09.360 Is this officially the first time that you're meeting your 1:20:09.439 --> 1:20:13.360 peers or so? Was there any bonding in your career 1:20:13.479 --> 1:20:17.040 to that point with notable celebs like you. 1:20:17.120 --> 1:20:21.519 Weren't BFFs with the guys from Toto or Low. 1:20:21.720 --> 1:20:25.080 I mean, you know, but Dylan wrote me a really 1:20:25.200 --> 1:20:27.200 nice note man at the end of the deal, wrote me, 1:20:27.360 --> 1:20:30.160 sent me and he sent me a song. Really, he 1:20:30.240 --> 1:20:33.200 sent me a song that I didn't cut, which is 1:20:33.240 --> 1:20:39.720 a complete mistake. Bob Dylan sends you a song, you do. 1:20:41.960 --> 1:20:42.000 It. 1:20:42.439 --> 1:20:44.320 Did somebody else end up cutting it? 1:20:44.439 --> 1:20:44.479 No? 1:20:44.600 --> 1:20:46.920 I never heard it. I never heard it. So but 1:20:47.040 --> 1:20:50.960 he also sent me a Junior Parker song. He was great. 1:20:51.680 --> 1:20:56.280 He WoT me a really nice note. He's smart, you know, Bob, 1:20:56.439 --> 1:20:57.559 Bob Dylan is smart. 1:20:58.640 --> 1:21:03.360 So okay, I have a question now having joined uh 1:21:03.800 --> 1:21:08.880 Columbia House, I always always say that. Also my education 1:21:09.040 --> 1:21:11.240 comes from the fact that I never sent the records 1:21:11.240 --> 1:21:13.400 back when I got them at Columbia House. So it's like, 1:21:14.120 --> 1:21:21.000 you know, if you don't want something, you have thirty days, 1:21:21.160 --> 1:21:23.400 you have thirty days if just never pay for them, 1:21:23.439 --> 1:21:26.240 that's what the that's what oh that of the scam. No, 1:21:26.680 --> 1:21:27.760 I didn't have hustle in me. 1:21:28.760 --> 1:21:32.880 So that said, and having having all all of your 1:21:33.040 --> 1:21:40.040 your your your records, I'm now noticing that with the 1:21:40.200 --> 1:21:45.559 massive amount of units sold for sports, usually people figure out, Okay, 1:21:45.720 --> 1:21:48.479 I'm gonna do the departure record like the opposite of it. 1:21:48.840 --> 1:21:51.799 Which I'm gonna say for small world. But you guys 1:21:52.040 --> 1:21:57.200 actually decided to keep up the stamina with four So 1:21:57.360 --> 1:21:58.439 how hard was it to. 1:22:00.800 --> 1:22:02.840 Live up to that pressure? Like, Okay, now we're in 1:22:02.880 --> 1:22:05.240 the machine, like I feel like breaking in his heart, 1:22:05.400 --> 1:22:06.840 but staying there is even harder. 1:22:08.040 --> 1:22:10.640 Very very perceptive, man, you're very perceptive. 1:22:10.720 --> 1:22:15.679 Really, I actually told him to Steve that might be true. 1:22:16.200 --> 1:22:17.320 No, it isn't it. 1:22:19.240 --> 1:22:31.880 No, No, because it's rare. It's I can name few instances. 1:22:32.320 --> 1:22:35.800 I mean, someone Richie tried to follow with with with 1:22:36.120 --> 1:22:39.320 we cancelo down and dancing on the ceiling with thriller 1:22:39.400 --> 1:22:44.479 and bad Sports for anyone else does the departure record next? 1:22:45.160 --> 1:22:48.800 So what what was your mind state of Okay, we 1:22:48.880 --> 1:22:50.559 gotta come back the same or. 1:22:50.800 --> 1:22:55.120 Well this is because this is economics here, because in 1:22:56.200 --> 1:22:59.760 back in those days, you know, it wasn't it was 1:23:00.040 --> 1:23:02.240 wasn't Internet and all that stuff. So if you sold 1:23:02.280 --> 1:23:05.360 a big if you had a big record, your next 1:23:05.439 --> 1:23:09.400 record was gonna ship you know, a million units right 1:23:09.439 --> 1:23:12.360 out of the box. So the idea was, hit them 1:23:12.360 --> 1:23:14.720 while they're hot, make your next record as soon as 1:23:14.760 --> 1:23:17.840 you can, and no matter what. And that's and that's 1:23:17.880 --> 1:23:19.880 how you make it. But you know, so we sold 1:23:20.160 --> 1:23:23.320 you know, ten million copies of Sports, Well four was 1:23:23.960 --> 1:23:26.120 already going to go four million, no matter what it 1:23:26.280 --> 1:23:29.320 was like. So that was the problem, you know, because 1:23:29.360 --> 1:23:31.360 we we had to and they were on est for 1:23:31.479 --> 1:23:34.000 deadline one of them, and you know, you got to 1:23:34.040 --> 1:23:37.040 write the songs. It's hard to write, and so that 1:23:37.240 --> 1:23:40.000 was a tough record to make for us. We were struggling, 1:23:40.080 --> 1:23:43.400 and we wound up over here and in the power station, 1:23:43.720 --> 1:23:48.200 fishing off under deadlines with two studios going and singing 1:23:48.280 --> 1:23:51.000 in one and playing guitar and the other and mixing 1:23:51.120 --> 1:23:53.679 in a third. And it wasn't it wasn't a fun 1:23:53.760 --> 1:23:56.519 record to make, because you're right, we did it really 1:23:56.920 --> 1:23:59.960 to just capitalize on our success, you know. 1:24:01.680 --> 1:24:04.240 But I think there's an art to not overthinking it. 1:24:04.840 --> 1:24:06.559 And that's why. 1:24:07.400 --> 1:24:10.000 Now the thing is, do you with with the with 1:24:10.120 --> 1:24:14.479 the words that Brett Ellis wrote for American Psycho, did 1:24:14.560 --> 1:24:17.120 you feel as though they were being sarcastic or do 1:24:17.280 --> 1:24:22.639 you feel I feel as though he wrote that in truth? 1:24:22.760 --> 1:24:25.120 As far as for being your most accomplished records in 1:24:25.200 --> 1:24:25.720 the in the. 1:24:26.640 --> 1:24:29.240 I thought he did it was amazing. I read I 1:24:29.320 --> 1:24:31.880 heard about it. I read the book and he had 1:24:31.920 --> 1:24:35.040 these little dissertations not only on us but Phil Collins 1:24:35.120 --> 1:24:37.640 and Tina and he nailed it. I thought. I mean, 1:24:37.720 --> 1:24:41.479 he was clearly a fan and he was he understo 1:24:41.520 --> 1:24:43.000 you know. I mean, I thought he did a pretty 1:24:43.479 --> 1:24:46.120 critical job. And then they asked this for the film. 1:24:46.760 --> 1:24:50.920 Would would he would we could use the tune? And 1:24:51.000 --> 1:24:52.880 I knew the book, I knew the story and all that. 1:24:53.400 --> 1:24:55.439 I said, Sure, what's William Dafoe right? 1:24:55.560 --> 1:24:55.720 Yeah? 1:24:55.760 --> 1:24:58.559 I love William Dafoe and it's an art Christian smale, 1:24:58.600 --> 1:25:00.760 and so I said, no problem, you got it, and 1:25:00.840 --> 1:25:03.200 they paid us and they got the song. Then what 1:25:03.320 --> 1:25:07.960 happened was maybe a month before the song, before the 1:25:08.040 --> 1:25:11.519 movie was released, they said to the Knoe manager said, 1:25:11.520 --> 1:25:14.160 they want to do a soundtrack and he said, well, great, 1:25:14.160 --> 1:25:15.960 what that's gonna what's that gonna look like? And it 1:25:16.080 --> 1:25:19.880 was it was hip to be square. I think there 1:25:19.960 --> 1:25:22.400 was a Phil Collins tune and the rest was like 1:25:22.520 --> 1:25:25.360 source music. It was like a kind of a crappy record. 1:25:26.040 --> 1:25:28.120 You know. It wasn't gonna be a great album, the album, 1:25:28.240 --> 1:25:29.720 and so my manager just to. 1:25:29.720 --> 1:25:32.720 Buy your record too. Huh, It's probably best to just 1:25:32.800 --> 1:25:33.599 buy your album. 1:25:34.160 --> 1:25:35.920 So my manager said to me, he says, what do 1:25:36.000 --> 1:25:38.200 you think about this? They want to do a soundtrack album. 1:25:38.720 --> 1:25:40.640 I said, well, that's not going to be fair to 1:25:40.720 --> 1:25:42.519 our fans. I mean, fans are going to buy that 1:25:42.640 --> 1:25:45.880 for what? For one song? I mean, that's just do 1:25:46.000 --> 1:25:47.880 we have to do this? He says, no, no, well 1:25:48.000 --> 1:25:49.680 it's not a part of the deal. They just they 1:25:49.840 --> 1:25:53.160 just mentioned it. I said, yeah, let's politely decline, which 1:25:53.200 --> 1:25:53.479 he did. 1:25:54.000 --> 1:25:54.040 So. 1:25:54.240 --> 1:25:56.960 Now on the eve of the release of the movie, 1:25:57.400 --> 1:26:01.920 literally they send out a press release that says that 1:26:02.080 --> 1:26:06.599 Huey Lewis has pulled his tune from the soundtrack because 1:26:06.880 --> 1:26:10.519 the movie is too violent, trying to gin up attention 1:26:10.640 --> 1:26:14.000 for the movie. Really, and I thought, come on, fellas, 1:26:15.240 --> 1:26:19.479 please not cool, you know, not cool? Show this check. 1:26:20.800 --> 1:26:24.160 Well, let's go back to Back to the Future, which, 1:26:24.640 --> 1:26:26.000 by the way, can I say that I did not 1:26:26.080 --> 1:26:27.840 realize that you had a cameo in that movie until 1:26:27.880 --> 1:26:28.559 like a week ago. 1:26:28.960 --> 1:26:31.040 You know know, he was the guys. 1:26:31.080 --> 1:26:32.160 I did not realize that was you. 1:26:32.479 --> 1:26:35.280 Yeah, that was the idea. Really, it just kind of 1:26:35.320 --> 1:26:38.120 disguised me and it was the Mecca's Well it worked. 1:26:38.120 --> 1:26:40.599 It took thirty years for me to realize it worked. 1:26:41.240 --> 1:26:44.000 This guy was pretty good, so well, I just wasn't 1:26:44.000 --> 1:26:44.600 expecting it to. 1:26:44.640 --> 1:26:45.040 Be you, you know. 1:26:45.160 --> 1:26:51.240 Yeah, with how you treated music videos and your your 1:26:51.280 --> 1:26:55.040 Hollywood looks, you could have been the clooney of videos. 1:26:55.920 --> 1:26:59.960 Well the wa why did you not explore acting further? 1:27:00.000 --> 1:27:02.960 They're in or were you loyal to the guys? And 1:27:03.160 --> 1:27:04.800 I don't want to leave them out there? And yeah, 1:27:04.840 --> 1:27:06.600 we were doing what we wanted to do. We were 1:27:06.800 --> 1:27:11.519 writing our songs and selling out venues everywhere. Everything was great, 1:27:11.600 --> 1:27:15.000 you know. And the video thing is funny because we actually. 1:27:14.720 --> 1:27:17.719 Did our own We did it. There was an outfit 1:27:17.800 --> 1:27:22.560 called Video West in San Francisco. First video camera, ever, videotape. 1:27:22.680 --> 1:27:26.320 This is brand new. This was seventy eight, brand new. 1:27:26.760 --> 1:27:30.519 And so she said, we'll video a couple of year songs. 1:27:31.000 --> 1:27:33.320 Are a song if we can show it on our 1:27:33.439 --> 1:27:36.599 Video West program. That and a cable cable was all 1:27:36.640 --> 1:27:40.040 this stuff was new. I said, sure, so we and 1:27:40.160 --> 1:27:42.759 you can have the video. So we we shut the video. 1:27:43.479 --> 1:27:45.680 They showed it, and the video helped us get a 1:27:45.720 --> 1:27:47.720 record deal. And when we got the record deal, we 1:27:47.800 --> 1:27:50.360 had Do You Believe in Love was our second single. 1:27:50.960 --> 1:27:54.599 And now the record label decided the first single off 1:27:54.640 --> 1:27:58.200 the off that record of second album that we and 1:27:58.280 --> 1:27:59.880 we by this point we were making our own rep. 1:28:00.080 --> 1:28:03.479 We're producing on records. We produced our second record picture 1:28:03.560 --> 1:28:07.360 this ourselves and so but they decided that we needed 1:28:07.400 --> 1:28:10.679 a professional video and so they hired an ad agency 1:28:10.760 --> 1:28:13.439 guy to do the do You Believe in Love? Video? 1:28:13.560 --> 1:28:16.760 And the set was all in pastels and Matt we 1:28:16.840 --> 1:28:19.640 had kind of pastel shirts that they were kind of 1:28:19.680 --> 1:28:22.720 matching with makeup, you know, and little rouge on our 1:28:22.800 --> 1:28:25.040 cheeks and stuff. This is the video where the five 1:28:25.120 --> 1:28:26.720 of us are in bed with the girl and all 1:28:26.800 --> 1:28:29.320 this stuff. And so they shot this video all day 1:28:29.360 --> 1:28:32.120 and night. And now we go home. And now two 1:28:32.160 --> 1:28:34.360 weeks later we go back for the playback, and we 1:28:34.479 --> 1:28:38.040 go back in and at Christmas Records, and a bunch 1:28:38.080 --> 1:28:40.280 of people from the record company, a bunch of people 1:28:40.320 --> 1:28:43.479 from the video company, my band, a bunch of our guys. 1:28:43.520 --> 1:28:45.760 There were probably thirty people in the room. And so 1:28:45.840 --> 1:28:47.840 they say, okay, here's the new video, and they share 1:28:47.880 --> 1:28:51.560 off lights and they play the video and I just 1:28:52.080 --> 1:28:54.479 sank my heart, just said I was so terrible. I 1:28:54.960 --> 1:28:57.519 believe it was just horrible. I just thought there was 1:28:57.600 --> 1:29:00.880 no direction. The guy wasn't singing to the case lose, 1:29:00.920 --> 1:29:03.400 He's singing to what's going on here. The whole thing 1:29:03.520 --> 1:29:06.080 was a mess, I thought. And we looked silly with 1:29:06.200 --> 1:29:09.240 a rouge on her cheeks and all that stuff. I said, 1:29:09.280 --> 1:29:11.720 this is horrible, almost a billy squire out And I 1:29:11.760 --> 1:29:15.360 remember thinking, oh, this is this is terrible. This is horrible. 1:29:15.600 --> 1:29:19.200 And the video ends and everybody stands up and applaud. 1:29:19.200 --> 1:29:22.080 It's kind of standing on this. So I thought to myself. 1:29:22.840 --> 1:29:25.840 Anybody can do this. We're doing our own records, we 1:29:25.960 --> 1:29:27.560 need to do our own videos. So from then on 1:29:28.120 --> 1:29:32.000 we did our own videos. And the idea was, don't 1:29:32.520 --> 1:29:35.280 ape the song, don't have anything to do with the song. 1:29:35.520 --> 1:29:39.040 If the song ziggs, make the video zag, don't tell, 1:29:39.160 --> 1:29:42.240 don't retell the story, and just goof. And we did 1:29:42.320 --> 1:29:46.040 him in San Francisco on different sides of Portreal Hill, 1:29:46.120 --> 1:29:49.679 almost just to let the let the seagulls and the ocean, 1:29:49.880 --> 1:29:53.240 let that be the be the production stuff. Let chew 1:29:53.320 --> 1:29:56.040 the scenery, and that was the theory. And we did 1:29:56.080 --> 1:29:58.160 a bunch of them that way. We did one New Drug. 1:29:58.240 --> 1:30:02.200 If this is it, h stuck with you? That is bad. 1:30:02.840 --> 1:30:06.120 All these were done in the same manner, in the 1:30:06.160 --> 1:30:06.639 same place. 1:30:06.760 --> 1:30:08.639 I got to interrupt you because I just thought about 1:30:08.680 --> 1:30:12.400 something I can't I can't count the amount of times 1:30:13.600 --> 1:30:16.160 I filled the kitchen sink with water. 1:30:23.520 --> 1:30:25.560 One of the opening scenes about want a New Drug, is, 1:30:25.800 --> 1:30:27.479 you know, filling up the. 1:30:27.800 --> 1:30:28.240 Sink with. 1:30:29.840 --> 1:30:30.920 Water and ice water. 1:30:32.400 --> 1:30:35.799 I swipe that right. I starn't wear Paul Newman Harper. 1:30:36.520 --> 1:30:39.559 The opening scene of Harper and Paul Newman, he wakes 1:30:39.640 --> 1:30:42.280 up hungover. It's ice in the sink, but it's his 1:30:42.320 --> 1:30:42.920 head of the ice. 1:30:43.520 --> 1:30:44.960 I never was. 1:30:49.080 --> 1:30:50.280 Unbelievably cold. 1:30:51.439 --> 1:30:54.120 This is what people want to trust me. 1:30:54.320 --> 1:30:55.960 It was unbelievably cold. 1:30:57.120 --> 1:30:57.840 It really was. 1:30:58.160 --> 1:30:59.320 It was cold. 1:30:59.840 --> 1:31:03.200 He I really wish I knew you back early in 1:31:03.280 --> 1:31:05.920 my career, because this is the second thing that I 1:31:06.080 --> 1:31:09.679 never thought about until right now, that sometimes you should 1:31:09.760 --> 1:31:11.679 just make a video for a song that has nothing 1:31:11.760 --> 1:31:11.920 to do. 1:31:13.120 --> 1:31:14.519 I never thought of that. Whatsoever. 1:31:15.880 --> 1:31:17.519 We want to stay out of the way of the song. 1:31:17.880 --> 1:31:20.760 I was always were I always thought, you know, why 1:31:20.800 --> 1:31:23.840 do we have to retell this story? Songs tell a story? 1:31:24.240 --> 1:31:26.280 And I always say, munch in the way. A good 1:31:26.360 --> 1:31:28.800 book is better than the movie. A good song is 1:31:28.880 --> 1:31:31.000 always better than the video for the same reason. 1:31:31.200 --> 1:31:33.559 Damn, I never thought of that, And it's now way 1:31:33.600 --> 1:31:36.400 too late. So I can I why er Smith dar videos? 1:31:36.439 --> 1:31:38.519 We just never appear in our videos now. 1:31:38.560 --> 1:31:39.880 So can I follow up? 1:31:40.000 --> 1:31:40.160 Yes? 1:31:40.840 --> 1:31:46.360 So Nick, love with that back to the future. 1:31:46.439 --> 1:31:50.960 So with with with with that theory of yours with 1:31:51.040 --> 1:31:55.000 the videos, and now you're supplying songs to a movie. 1:31:56.200 --> 1:31:59.760 Did you use that same theory like power of love 1:31:59.800 --> 1:32:02.200 is not necessarily telling the same story exactly? 1:32:02.280 --> 1:32:07.759 Yeah, real Steve. What happened was Steve Spielberg, Bob Zamechas 1:32:07.800 --> 1:32:10.160 and Bob Gail asked to take a meeting with us 1:32:10.720 --> 1:32:13.240 at Amblin at Amblin in La and we went there 1:32:13.280 --> 1:32:15.920 and took a meeting and Zameca said, look, we've just 1:32:16.240 --> 1:32:21.320 written this film called Back to the Future, and our hero, 1:32:21.680 --> 1:32:25.240 our lead character, guy called Marty McFly, and his favorite 1:32:25.280 --> 1:32:29.080 band would be Huey lewis in the news. So we thought, 1:32:29.560 --> 1:32:31.639 how would you like to write a song for the film. 1:32:31.720 --> 1:32:35.200 And I said, wow, I'm flattered. I don't know how 1:32:35.360 --> 1:32:38.240 what writing for film means. I said, you know, I've 1:32:38.240 --> 1:32:41.040 never written for film. Don't have any idea. I said, besides, 1:32:41.439 --> 1:32:43.559 I'm not too keen on writing a song called back 1:32:43.600 --> 1:32:46.120 to the Future. And they said, oh, we don't care 1:32:46.200 --> 1:32:48.479 what you call it, do We just want one of 1:32:48.560 --> 1:32:50.920 your songs. So I said, okay, I'll send you the 1:32:51.000 --> 1:32:53.920 next thing we write, wow, which was power Love. 1:32:54.280 --> 1:32:55.840 It was literally the next thing he wrote after that 1:32:55.880 --> 1:32:56.280 phone call. 1:32:56.720 --> 1:32:58.000 That was the next thing we wrote, wow. 1:32:58.400 --> 1:33:01.519 Really, But then Back in Time was written specifically. 1:33:01.080 --> 1:33:04.640 They wanted another song for the credits, and by then 1:33:04.680 --> 1:33:07.400 I'd seen the film. I hadn't seen it, and so 1:33:07.520 --> 1:33:09.880 I wrote that as you know, specifically for that. 1:33:10.200 --> 1:33:14.040 All right, so my my overriding question with regards to 1:33:15.760 --> 1:33:23.240 those songs, No, I mean, so we we understand that 1:33:23.479 --> 1:33:27.400 that they they You got the cameo in the movie 1:33:27.479 --> 1:33:32.040 based on your probably your video acting and your Hollywood 1:33:32.080 --> 1:33:36.120 good looks. As Questla pointed out, he is an attractive 1:33:36.200 --> 1:33:40.599 dude man, and and you can correct me if I'm wrong, 1:33:40.640 --> 1:33:43.560 but probably got the gig for the songs because you 1:33:43.600 --> 1:33:46.960 were like the biggest band happening at that moment. And 1:33:47.320 --> 1:33:49.599 and yes, I guess Martin McFly would be a fan. 1:33:50.880 --> 1:33:53.000 But but there's something else going on. There's something that 1:33:53.080 --> 1:33:56.920 makes you like super perfect and those songs, like it 1:33:56.960 --> 1:34:00.519 seems like it's meshing in a way that's more than 1:34:00.640 --> 1:34:04.080 just a regular match. Like it seems like like interesting, 1:34:04.320 --> 1:34:07.960 that's very interesting for the film. But you didn't just 1:34:08.080 --> 1:34:11.479 like the combination of you and Michael J. Fox and 1:34:11.760 --> 1:34:14.599 whatever they did in that movie just seems like it's perfect. 1:34:14.640 --> 1:34:16.599 You know, I have a theory about that, and I'm 1:34:16.640 --> 1:34:21.160 not I'm not. Uh, it's interesting in that, you know. 1:34:22.400 --> 1:34:25.600 And Zamechas always said that he always credited you know, 1:34:25.880 --> 1:34:29.240 Power Love. The song was released before the film, and 1:34:29.360 --> 1:34:31.559 they released a song and it went to number one. 1:34:31.600 --> 1:34:34.160 It takes like nine weeks or something to get to 1:34:34.320 --> 1:34:37.120 number one. And then and so that they released the 1:34:37.200 --> 1:34:41.280 movie when Power Love was number one, and Zamechas already 1:34:42.280 --> 1:34:44.160 to this day we have a reunion sort of every 1:34:44.200 --> 1:34:46.599 five years, and he says it was the best marketing 1:34:46.720 --> 1:34:49.360 come out ever. You know, you got a number one song. 1:34:49.400 --> 1:34:52.280 But and and the interesting part about it is for 1:34:52.400 --> 1:34:55.439 me is that the fact that it had when I 1:34:55.680 --> 1:34:57.599 when I wrote the song, when we wrote the song, 1:34:57.720 --> 1:35:01.040 and and and I sent it to Zamecchas, I didn't 1:35:01.040 --> 1:35:02.640 think it was gonna work for them because there was 1:35:03.000 --> 1:35:05.800 no love object in the film by that point. I'd 1:35:05.840 --> 1:35:07.560 read the script. At least I hadn't seen it, but 1:35:07.600 --> 1:35:09.519 I read the script and there was no I didn't 1:35:09.520 --> 1:35:11.720 think it was gonna work, but they used it in 1:35:11.840 --> 1:35:16.160 the chase scene. And I think, and I've I've I've 1:35:16.400 --> 1:35:20.400 thought about this subsequently. When when a song is is 1:35:20.520 --> 1:35:24.559 not when you don't retell the story, it's it's it's 1:35:24.600 --> 1:35:28.719 its own story, and it only it only is relevant 1:35:28.960 --> 1:35:33.400 tangentially to the thing, Yet it it becomes another leg 1:35:34.160 --> 1:35:36.479 for that whole thing to stand on. In other words, 1:35:36.800 --> 1:35:39.840 it's better to have a song that stands on its own. 1:35:40.560 --> 1:35:44.760 That's not exactly about the film. It's better for the 1:35:44.880 --> 1:35:47.800 film because it gives us you get a good, strong 1:35:47.960 --> 1:35:50.320 song out of it. So many times we write songs 1:35:50.520 --> 1:35:52.880 just for the film and they're not that's all they do. 1:35:53.120 --> 1:35:55.639 The knowledge he's dropping, it's like it makes no sense, 1:35:55.680 --> 1:35:56.559 but all the sense. 1:35:56.400 --> 1:35:58.040 It makes perfect. It makes perfect sense to me. 1:35:58.760 --> 1:36:01.559 I've learned three I've learned more like from this episode 1:36:01.560 --> 1:36:04.640 of question like supreme, like when not have any other 1:36:04.800 --> 1:36:06.160 one hundred place what. 1:36:06.240 --> 1:36:06.720 He just said. 1:36:07.080 --> 1:36:09.120 It almost it seems so obvious that you just kind 1:36:09.160 --> 1:36:10.920 of like want to ignore it because it just seems 1:36:10.960 --> 1:36:12.160 obvious that it can't be right. 1:36:13.000 --> 1:36:16.280 But you've proven that it's yeah, because it's another's contrast, 1:36:16.360 --> 1:36:19.080 it's another leg of that. If you know what I mean. 1:36:19.120 --> 1:36:20.400 There's it makes perfect sense. 1:36:20.520 --> 1:36:21.840 So if someone asked you to write a song for 1:36:21.880 --> 1:36:23.000 a film, Now, what would you. 1:36:23.040 --> 1:36:26.599 Do if I had to write a song for a film? Now, well, 1:36:26.680 --> 1:36:28.920 I probably do the same thing just writing a song. 1:36:29.280 --> 1:36:31.240 I mean, we have we have a musical that we're 1:36:31.360 --> 1:36:33.920 trying to get to Broadway. We just put it up 1:36:33.960 --> 1:36:37.080 in San Diego and I wrote a new song for that, 1:36:37.800 --> 1:36:42.679 and it was really kind of fun because it's really 1:36:42.800 --> 1:36:46.680 fun to write for other situations than your own right 1:36:47.560 --> 1:36:53.519 another voice. It's it's really creative and easy as opposed 1:36:53.520 --> 1:36:55.320 to writing for something that you want to say. 1:36:55.640 --> 1:36:58.040 But speaking of musicals, how do you feel watching people 1:36:59.400 --> 1:37:01.880 taking yourself songs that they are more or less the 1:37:01.880 --> 1:37:05.400 same songs but in a totally different genre and watching 1:37:05.560 --> 1:37:08.040 like this, what has to make you feel as a songwriter? 1:37:09.280 --> 1:37:10.519 Very interesting? Good question. 1:37:10.720 --> 1:37:11.360 I I. 1:37:12.920 --> 1:37:16.040 That's why I that's why I engaged in this music musical. 1:37:16.040 --> 1:37:19.120 I had a friend of mine, long story, they they 1:37:19.840 --> 1:37:22.680 they wrote the script and uh and we got it 1:37:22.840 --> 1:37:25.559 all up and then and I'm just I was worried 1:37:25.600 --> 1:37:27.680 about how the songs were going to be handled, and 1:37:27.840 --> 1:37:31.240 so you know, I was very careful about that because 1:37:32.280 --> 1:37:34.400 but our our musical director is a guy called Brian 1:37:34.520 --> 1:37:37.080 Yusifer who worked on Kicky Boots and a bunch of 1:37:37.080 --> 1:37:41.280 other stuff. Well, he's absolutely brilliant. He again went against 1:37:41.880 --> 1:37:45.920 type with a song with a song was like like, uh, 1:37:46.520 --> 1:37:49.840 you know, uh uh, well hit me like a hammer, 1:37:49.920 --> 1:37:53.320 which is a male. He had a girls girls, girls 1:37:53.400 --> 1:37:57.320 singing and all this, So how they're handled is super important, 1:37:57.560 --> 1:38:00.439 right and uh, and you gotta be careful that because 1:38:01.000 --> 1:38:02.559 it can be a little silly sometimes. 1:38:02.600 --> 1:38:05.840 Sure, so do you okay, do you worry about do 1:38:05.880 --> 1:38:06.439 you worry about that? 1:38:06.439 --> 1:38:08.639 Because I'm coming from I just got back from London 1:38:08.720 --> 1:38:10.720 two days ago, but working on a jukebox musical of 1:38:10.800 --> 1:38:15.240 similar ilk And you worry about songs that were totally 1:38:15.320 --> 1:38:19.040 masculine based, are totally male based, switching them over or 1:38:19.320 --> 1:38:21.160 a song that was a fast I think that's a 1:38:21.200 --> 1:38:24.240 good idea to be honest, right, is to totally avoid 1:38:24.600 --> 1:38:25.160 them or whatever? 1:38:25.840 --> 1:38:29.120 When when the when the original zagged? Seriously, I think. 1:38:28.960 --> 1:38:31.600 Here's what I learned from Hugh Lewis, zig fuck it 1:38:31.800 --> 1:38:35.439 goes zag. That's a lesson number. Okay, keep going, sorry 1:38:35.520 --> 1:38:36.880 that your name on the show you. 1:38:37.160 --> 1:38:39.920 Talk infiltrate then double gross. 1:38:43.360 --> 1:38:44.679 That mic dropping. 1:38:46.200 --> 1:38:51.080 Okay, So I know how how attached you were h 1:38:51.640 --> 1:38:55.240 to based on your press the Small World album? 1:38:55.800 --> 1:39:00.400 Right, did you feel by the way Rolling Stones worst 1:39:00.560 --> 1:39:04.720 album of the year, Small World, worst album of the year. 1:39:05.560 --> 1:39:08.840 I read that Rolling Stone, How does that sound? 1:39:13.000 --> 1:39:17.000 Did you did you feel as though it was like, 1:39:17.160 --> 1:39:22.080 is there a fear of riding too high, and you wonder, okay, 1:39:22.600 --> 1:39:23.400 is this overkill? 1:39:23.800 --> 1:39:24.600 Is this overkill? 1:39:25.000 --> 1:39:25.759 Is this overkill? 1:39:25.880 --> 1:39:25.920 No? 1:39:26.040 --> 1:39:29.560 No, you know, honestly, four you called you got me 1:39:29.640 --> 1:39:32.800 on four. You know, four was an economic thing. We 1:39:33.040 --> 1:39:36.519 just rushed it out and tried to get capitalized on 1:39:36.640 --> 1:39:38.720 our momentum. But the win is a win. They're still 1:39:38.800 --> 1:39:43.679 hit there at least, But because we had a couple 1:39:43.800 --> 1:39:47.400 we had left art. But after that we honestly and 1:39:47.520 --> 1:39:50.960 even that even four, to a certain extent, since that time, 1:39:51.200 --> 1:39:56.720 I have never done anything for commercial reasons period. That's 1:39:56.840 --> 1:39:59.600 a deal I made with myself. I said, look, you 1:40:00.000 --> 1:40:03.479 you know, you gotta stay pure to your just do 1:40:03.640 --> 1:40:05.920 stuff that matters to you and that and then you 1:40:06.000 --> 1:40:09.080 can't go wrong just you know, integrity. And so that's 1:40:09.120 --> 1:40:11.799 what Small World was. We were trying to do expand 1:40:12.040 --> 1:40:15.160 and do some other stuff. And you know the best 1:40:15.200 --> 1:40:17.639 part of that one is Stan gets his song. Yeah, 1:40:17.720 --> 1:40:19.840 I mean, he just killed that thing. And that's a 1:40:19.920 --> 1:40:22.679 kind of a funny story because my dad was a jazzer, 1:40:22.800 --> 1:40:27.600 you know, and so u Zoot Sims died and and 1:40:27.760 --> 1:40:31.040 so they had a tribute to him at at Kimball's. 1:40:31.040 --> 1:40:35.680 I think or somewhere in San Francisco, right, And it 1:40:35.840 --> 1:40:38.000 wasn't Kimballs. It was the old Jazz Cup. I can't 1:40:38.000 --> 1:40:42.799 remember it, but now those three sixty five yeah maybe maybe. Anyway, 1:40:42.960 --> 1:40:46.320 my old man loved all that stuff. So I secretly 1:40:46.439 --> 1:40:49.560 I got tickets for him, and I said, Pops, I 1:40:49.600 --> 1:40:52.559 got two tickets for the for the Zoot Sims benefit 1:40:52.680 --> 1:40:56.000 and Stan Gatz and and uh all they had all 1:40:56.080 --> 1:41:01.400 these guys. So now Jimmy Jones what So now we 1:41:01.560 --> 1:41:04.400 go and we and they showed me too, and I 1:41:04.479 --> 1:41:05.880 go in and go, oh my god, here we look. 1:41:06.080 --> 1:41:08.600 And my dad, you know, he didn't know anything from me. 1:41:09.360 --> 1:41:15.960 He hard hardcore jazzer. You know, he thought what I 1:41:16.080 --> 1:41:17.320 do is comic book stuff. 1:41:17.400 --> 1:41:19.880 He loved the house, though, didn't he. 1:41:21.439 --> 1:41:24.040 In the car at first he paid no attention. So 1:41:24.200 --> 1:41:27.000 now we go and we get the two seats, and 1:41:27.120 --> 1:41:28.720 they put us down there right on the aisle. And 1:41:28.720 --> 1:41:31.680 who's sitting right next but next next to where I'm 1:41:31.680 --> 1:41:34.920 sitting is Phil Elwood, the critic from the from the 1:41:35.080 --> 1:41:39.120 San Francisco Examiner, who's a jazz critic. And my old 1:41:39.160 --> 1:41:41.439 man knows all kinds of it. I mean, he knows 1:41:41.800 --> 1:41:44.599 he can tell you Jimmy Lunsford's band. He knows every 1:41:44.800 --> 1:41:48.080 musician in Chick Webb's band. I mean, my old man 1:41:48.200 --> 1:41:50.720 knows jazz, you know, and he loves it. And so 1:41:51.640 --> 1:41:54.519 he sees Phil Elwood, and Phil Elwood goes, oh my god, 1:41:54.640 --> 1:41:57.479 Huey lewis right me. And my old man goes, oh 1:41:57.560 --> 1:42:00.280 my god, that's Phil Elwood. And he's recogniz I said, 1:42:00.439 --> 1:42:03.360 he knows who my kid is. So now he and 1:42:03.720 --> 1:42:06.560 Phil Elwood are talking and they're going about this and 1:42:06.760 --> 1:42:09.200 Jimmy Lunsford and this that and and then I feel 1:42:09.200 --> 1:42:11.720 the tap of my shoulder and I turn around and 1:42:11.760 --> 1:42:16.479 it's gets and he's wearing his horn and he's tapped. 1:42:16.960 --> 1:42:19.840 It's the Houses, which kind of early. He's wearing his horn, 1:42:20.160 --> 1:42:22.840 and he taps me on the shoulder and he and 1:42:23.040 --> 1:42:26.360 I go. I look up. He goes, hey, Yoie lewis 1:42:27.360 --> 1:42:31.120 stan getz. He says, my girlfriend wants to eat your shorts. 1:42:37.439 --> 1:42:39.639 What do you say to that? Right? So I say, well, 1:42:39.800 --> 1:42:43.200 he says he, why don't you let me play on 1:42:43.280 --> 1:42:46.719 some of your ship? You know what? I can play 1:42:46.760 --> 1:42:52.000 that ship too. Oh my gosh, sure of course. Yeah. 1:42:52.479 --> 1:42:55.000 Do you have a yeah, let me give you my card, 1:42:55.080 --> 1:42:57.760 he wrote on he wrote stan Getz wrote his phone 1:42:57.840 --> 1:43:01.560 number and but have sacks will traveler and gave me 1:43:01.640 --> 1:43:04.800 the card. But on the ride home, my ole man 1:43:04.920 --> 1:43:07.760 says to me, you know he's got cancer and he's 1:43:07.800 --> 1:43:09.760 not going to be around very long and if you 1:43:09.880 --> 1:43:12.479 don't take him up on that, I will never ever 1:43:12.640 --> 1:43:16.280 forgive you. I away to. 1:43:17.920 --> 1:43:19.160 The record man. 1:43:20.120 --> 1:43:21.400 That ship. 1:43:23.280 --> 1:43:25.000 Was What kind of dad are you at this point? 1:43:25.080 --> 1:43:27.680 With your dad giving so much ship happening like your 1:43:27.760 --> 1:43:29.640 dad has been like go to Europe and fun off. 1:43:29.880 --> 1:43:33.080 You don't forget to get stan Getz on your record, 1:43:33.080 --> 1:43:38.080 because that's a real statement that people say, my kids, 1:43:39.160 --> 1:43:40.519 can we get them on the next question? 1:43:42.360 --> 1:43:44.559 Girl and a boy. 1:43:46.400 --> 1:43:49.000 My son, Well, Stan gets in my head. Stan Getz 1:43:49.040 --> 1:43:51.000 is the most laid back cat ever because all his 1:43:51.120 --> 1:43:53.720 playing is like that, Like if Stan gets on a. 1:43:53.760 --> 1:43:56.400 Huey Lewis record, you'd be like rocking. You get to 1:43:56.479 --> 1:44:00.840 the sax solo and it be like that's fine. 1:44:01.840 --> 1:44:03.920 Power horns on this record as well. We had to 1:44:04.240 --> 1:44:08.479 stand yet, we had to find out. We had to 1:44:08.560 --> 1:44:12.320 find a song. And Chris Hayes, our guitar player, wrote 1:44:12.360 --> 1:44:14.400 this little jam and I thought this would be great. 1:44:14.880 --> 1:44:17.240 And first, so we we did a demo of it, 1:44:17.800 --> 1:44:19.920 and I talked it at first. I went all around 1:44:19.960 --> 1:44:22.800 the world, there are people like you and me, from 1:44:22.840 --> 1:44:25.360 the poorest beggar in the street to the richest king 1:44:25.439 --> 1:44:29.560 and queen. Well the boom things whiling, and I was 1:44:29.640 --> 1:44:32.080 just kind of talking against it, which is kind of cool, 1:44:32.160 --> 1:44:35.200 I thought. And then and then and that's all we had, 1:44:35.400 --> 1:44:38.479 and we and I sent it to Gets and he said, great, 1:44:38.479 --> 1:44:40.439 I'll do it. So we made an appointment to do it. 1:44:40.960 --> 1:44:43.400 And then meanwhile we put tower power on it, and 1:44:43.439 --> 1:44:45.240 we had all the tower power horns on it, and 1:44:45.400 --> 1:44:47.760 I sang it, I you know, sang it instead of 1:44:48.160 --> 1:44:50.320 spoken it. So he comes up to do it at 1:44:50.360 --> 1:44:52.960 the session, comes to studio DD. He just drive them. 1:44:53.200 --> 1:44:55.680 He comes out, he puts on it, gets his horn out, 1:44:55.960 --> 1:44:57.840 he goes out and think he starts playing. He goes, 1:44:58.040 --> 1:45:04.439 oh my god, it's in C sharp. I'm it's you 1:45:04.479 --> 1:45:08.559 know C sharp for for a for a tenor for you? Yeah? 1:45:08.720 --> 1:45:10.559 No, is it the concert? 1:45:10.600 --> 1:45:13.280 Okay? So B concert? Really? Was it a B concert? 1:45:13.439 --> 1:45:15.080 It's a whole step it's tenor. I was a tenor 1:45:15.120 --> 1:45:15.720 play growing up. 1:45:15.720 --> 1:45:20.599 I wonder if we were real whatever. Yeah, he said, 1:45:22.640 --> 1:45:24.400 it's a funny key or something like that, and you. 1:45:24.439 --> 1:45:26.000 Can't see sharp is not a tenor key at all. 1:45:26.160 --> 1:45:26.559 It sucks. 1:45:26.680 --> 1:45:29.320 So and I said, wow, I didn't think of that. 1:45:29.400 --> 1:45:31.600 What I guess we could train v s o it 1:45:31.800 --> 1:45:34.360 or something. He says, really, what does that mean? I said, well, 1:45:34.400 --> 1:45:37.280 we can slow the tape down you play the way speech. 1:45:37.280 --> 1:45:39.800 So he says, okay, let's try it. So we tried 1:45:39.840 --> 1:45:43.080 to do that and it sounded like kazoos and so 1:45:43.720 --> 1:45:46.120 he was going, he's just don't worry about I'll just 1:45:46.200 --> 1:45:48.679 do it. He says, what I said, you sure? He says, yeah, 1:45:49.560 --> 1:45:54.160 it's just a challenge for super due. It goes out. 1:45:54.920 --> 1:45:57.280 We say that all the time, and now all the time. 1:45:57.560 --> 1:46:00.639 Now now gets goes out. And then and he starts 1:46:00.680 --> 1:46:05.519 the thing, and oh my god, clearly he had shedded 1:46:05.600 --> 1:46:08.280 it and he was he was just fooling. He had 1:46:08.640 --> 1:46:11.120 he had to shed it because he played it. And 1:46:11.800 --> 1:46:14.120 and what was amazing is he starts his solo and 1:46:14.200 --> 1:46:16.479 he's playing along real nice and all, and here comes 1:46:16.600 --> 1:46:22.760 tower power Bump bump it butter, No, butter, that butter, 1:46:22.880 --> 1:46:26.519 that butter that you know, these kind of lifts and 1:46:26.680 --> 1:46:29.599 and I and the big one they goes but but Butter, 1:46:29.960 --> 1:46:33.559 no no, And so in his headphones he's playing along 1:46:36.680 --> 1:46:44.680 and then then years but he goes, Buddy. I mean, 1:46:45.160 --> 1:46:49.680 it was such a musical lesson watching him react to 1:46:50.040 --> 1:46:54.080 when when stuff got busy, he went. He went when 1:46:54.160 --> 1:46:57.600 stuff was low, he got busy when it was It 1:46:57.800 --> 1:47:02.280 was unbelievable watching him like one of the great experiences 1:47:02.320 --> 1:47:02.720 of my life. 1:47:02.720 --> 1:47:04.200 I mean, those are the most polar opposite things IVE 1:47:04.200 --> 1:47:06.120 ever heard of. Tower of Power and stan Getz. 1:47:06.080 --> 1:47:09.040 It's it's still and it was a seven minute track, 1:47:09.560 --> 1:47:11.400 and I got the idea of splitting it up and 1:47:11.479 --> 1:47:14.960 making it the first cut and last cut, which was 1:47:15.000 --> 1:47:18.720 a complete mistake. Should have kept the whole thing. Yeah, 1:47:18.760 --> 1:47:23.479 because his solo on there, which is part two, is 1:47:23.560 --> 1:47:26.240 the best musical moment on that record by a long shot. 1:47:26.280 --> 1:47:29.559 I mean, wow, it's just really cool. He just such 1:47:29.560 --> 1:47:30.400 a great player. 1:47:31.120 --> 1:47:33.360 I just thought about something, and I know we gott 1:47:33.360 --> 1:47:34.840 to wrap it up, so well, I have one more question. 1:47:35.960 --> 1:47:37.160 What do you mean you know you're the boss? 1:47:37.560 --> 1:47:37.600 No? 1:47:37.640 --> 1:47:39.400 No, because I'm about to go to movies. Okay, I forgot. 1:47:39.439 --> 1:47:42.080 You're in a Robert Altman film, Sir, I love. 1:47:42.080 --> 1:47:46.800 Robert No, no, no, I was like, you don't act. No, 1:47:47.479 --> 1:47:48.360 that's what I'm saying, Like. 1:47:48.560 --> 1:47:50.000 You're before that bullshit. 1:47:51.400 --> 1:47:53.920 And mister Lewis or uh, did you ever fuck with 1:47:53.960 --> 1:47:57.400 the chromatic harp because you're such a diatonic carp player. 1:47:57.439 --> 1:47:59.240 You're known for that like that. You always carry on 1:47:59.280 --> 1:48:01.400 like eight different harps and different keys and shit. Sorry 1:48:01.680 --> 1:48:07.400 sorry with the chromatic car Yeah, but I what I. 1:48:07.520 --> 1:48:11.880 Do is playing C chromatic in D minor in your 1:48:11.920 --> 1:48:12.599 third position. 1:48:13.760 --> 1:48:14.439 Why is that funny? 1:48:14.439 --> 1:48:14.599 Bill? 1:48:14.640 --> 1:48:16.000 Can you explain it to the dummi? Because I don't 1:48:16.000 --> 1:48:16.640 know what you're laughing at. 1:48:16.880 --> 1:48:21.000 Oh okay, that was because no one would do that. 1:48:21.400 --> 1:48:23.840 That's why it's interesting the old blues guys sometimes so. 1:48:24.120 --> 1:48:25.720 Like, okay, so here's what you know. So like the 1:48:26.000 --> 1:48:29.080 average I'll explain this in front of Huey Lewis and 1:48:29.200 --> 1:48:31.080 I'll feel real fucked up about it, but I'll try. 1:48:31.600 --> 1:48:31.640 So. 1:48:32.280 --> 1:48:36.000 So Harmonica has blah blah blah holes, it's and it 1:48:36.400 --> 1:48:38.759 specific key and it's diatonic means it's in a scale, 1:48:38.800 --> 1:48:40.439 so it's like C or D or E or F. 1:48:40.800 --> 1:48:42.960 So most so let's take for a bad example, like 1:48:43.160 --> 1:48:45.840 John Popper of Blues Travelers carrying around eight hundred different 1:48:45.840 --> 1:48:48.320 harmonicas and different keys so they can play in different keys. 1:48:48.640 --> 1:48:51.679 A chromatic harmonica is like something that Stevie Wonder plays, 1:48:51.720 --> 1:48:53.200 which has a little button on the side so you 1:48:53.240 --> 1:48:56.400 can go, but you can always you can play all 1:48:57.320 --> 1:48:59.679 different notes, whereas the other ones are just eight notes. 1:49:00.160 --> 1:49:02.280 Although unless you're Howard Levy, right. 1:49:02.280 --> 1:49:05.519 Unless you're Wow that wow cut, unless you're Howard Levy 1:49:05.800 --> 1:49:07.640 a great great or toots are like one of these 1:49:07.680 --> 1:49:08.559 guys all right on. 1:49:10.880 --> 1:49:13.440 The original sysme theme would go real deep right anyway. 1:49:13.720 --> 1:49:14.479 Such a great music. 1:49:14.960 --> 1:49:18.400 So so so so Hughey is known as not a 1:49:18.479 --> 1:49:20.519 chromatic player, but a guy who would did you carry 1:49:20.520 --> 1:49:21.599 around a bunch of different harves? 1:49:21.640 --> 1:49:22.280 Is that? Yeah? 1:49:22.280 --> 1:49:25.400 Okay, so so so uh h would lose the news 1:49:25.479 --> 1:49:28.080 tunes are written in A and E and so are 1:49:28.120 --> 1:49:30.280 in C minor, like there's some weird ship, so you'd 1:49:30.320 --> 1:49:32.880 have to adjust the harmonica you're playing for the song 1:49:32.960 --> 1:49:35.000 you're playing in. So he would carry around tell me 1:49:35.000 --> 1:49:37.559 if I'm wrong, I'm gonna tell Huey Lewis's business while 1:49:37.600 --> 1:49:39.680 he's betting right here that like he would play He's 1:49:39.680 --> 1:49:41.519 had a bunch of different harmonicas in different keys, and 1:49:41.640 --> 1:49:43.880 so if you have a chromatic harmonica, the idea is 1:49:43.880 --> 1:49:46.479 that you only would have one exactly right now, you 1:49:46.520 --> 1:49:47.160 should talk, But. 1:49:47.240 --> 1:49:50.519 You have to be a much better player than I. 1:49:50.800 --> 1:49:51.800 I mean, you're it. 1:49:51.840 --> 1:49:52.880 Did it matter at that point? 1:49:53.000 --> 1:49:55.000 I mean like, no, you know, all you need is 1:49:55.040 --> 1:49:57.960 the chops to say what you need to say. And 1:49:58.120 --> 1:49:59.519 and what is it that you want to say? You 1:49:59.520 --> 1:50:03.679 don't which they said, there's there's there's hamburgers, and there's 1:50:03.760 --> 1:50:04.400 fois gras. 1:50:04.760 --> 1:50:07.559 You know, I mean, so what really? 1:50:07.760 --> 1:50:10.759 Whatever? I mean? You know, it's it's it's all creative. 1:50:11.240 --> 1:50:13.519 Yeah, dude, man, man is my spirit? 1:50:13.640 --> 1:50:15.360 And can we have you? We all time? 1:50:18.200 --> 1:50:23.519 Love you? Wait? Did I just say that? 1:50:27.720 --> 1:50:28.400 Oh God? 1:50:28.800 --> 1:50:32.000 All right, wait, I just want to get to movies 1:50:32.040 --> 1:50:33.760 while we have a couple of minutes left. 1:50:33.840 --> 1:50:36.320 Don't forget he's got he's a miracle to because we 1:50:36.439 --> 1:50:36.960 have to get to that. 1:50:37.360 --> 1:50:38.240 Yes, we'll get to that. 1:50:38.360 --> 1:50:41.320 Okay, So with you? 1:50:41.680 --> 1:50:43.920 How did you get the role in short I'm such 1:50:43.960 --> 1:50:46.800 a Robert Altman fan. I forgot you're in Shortcuts? How 1:50:46.880 --> 1:50:47.880 did you get that role? 1:50:49.120 --> 1:50:49.320 Well? 1:50:49.520 --> 1:50:52.200 And good looks? Quest love? What's that he's amazing. Good looks. 1:50:52.240 --> 1:50:53.280 It's Hollywood good looks. 1:50:54.040 --> 1:50:58.200 We they you know. I don't know how I got 1:50:58.240 --> 1:51:01.519 the I think it was I think it was my eight. 1:51:01.920 --> 1:51:04.840 Bill Robinson was is an agent, and I think he was. 1:51:05.040 --> 1:51:09.120 He was Almand's agent, and then he was a fan 1:51:09.280 --> 1:51:11.240 of mine, and he said, look, I'll be your agent. 1:51:11.280 --> 1:51:13.280 I said, well, I don't need an agent. I don't 1:51:13.320 --> 1:51:15.759 do anything. He said, well, let me just be your agent, 1:51:16.000 --> 1:51:18.679 just in cases. So then he got me the gig 1:51:20.160 --> 1:51:22.240 or the audition or whatever it was. And so what 1:51:22.320 --> 1:51:24.479 I did is I went out to Santa Monica and 1:51:24.840 --> 1:51:28.080 just talked to Robert Altman and he invited me and 1:51:28.160 --> 1:51:32.160 he sat me down. He said, you fisherman, right, you 1:51:32.560 --> 1:51:35.679 fly fish? I said yeah, He says, cool. He said, look, 1:51:37.000 --> 1:51:39.280 let me give you a scenario. He says, two guys, 1:51:40.439 --> 1:51:42.280 three guys are going to go on a fishing trip. 1:51:42.760 --> 1:51:44.600 He says, and they go on a fishing trip. And 1:51:44.680 --> 1:51:46.840 they've been worried about it for like a year. They've 1:51:46.880 --> 1:51:49.040 been planning for this trip. It's a big deal. And 1:51:49.160 --> 1:51:51.479 they got to pack in all the way, and they 1:51:51.560 --> 1:51:52.800 pack in all the way and they get in there 1:51:52.840 --> 1:51:55.360 in the evening, and they set up camp and one 1:51:55.400 --> 1:51:57.080 of the guy goes to take a leak. I was 1:51:57.120 --> 1:51:59.519 going to say, he goes to take a leak in 1:51:59.560 --> 1:52:03.960 the river and she's a dead body, right, he says, uh? 1:52:04.360 --> 1:52:06.639 And so what what are you going to do? He says, 1:52:06.680 --> 1:52:10.160 And meanwhile the fish a rising like crazy and it's nighttime. 1:52:10.200 --> 1:52:12.320 What are you going to do? I said, probably fish? 1:52:14.640 --> 1:52:15.240 You got the gate. 1:52:17.280 --> 1:52:19.840 It's been a minute since I've seen shortcut. Wasn't that 1:52:20.000 --> 1:52:20.639 full frontal? 1:52:21.479 --> 1:52:24.200 Who I remember one of you taking a piss? 1:52:24.760 --> 1:52:24.800 Me? 1:52:25.520 --> 1:52:26.519 Was it full frontal? 1:52:27.000 --> 1:52:29.919 Full front I was going to say, there's something. 1:52:34.960 --> 1:52:40.759 Only for all only Wait, there was something very unusual. 1:52:40.960 --> 1:52:43.519 Oh that's right. You definitely have to face the cameras 1:52:43.560 --> 1:52:52.240 you're taking a piss? Are you serious? She's really get No, 1:52:52.360 --> 1:52:56.880 she's getting on pornhob right now. Anyway, but he would 1:52:56.920 --> 1:52:58.880 do yeah, and. 1:53:00.560 --> 1:53:04.759 His favorite Well, you know, I was telling them earlier 1:53:04.840 --> 1:53:07.160 that you were the only reason that I saw duets. 1:53:07.160 --> 1:53:07.400 I was. 1:53:07.800 --> 1:53:11.599 I was a big Hueye fan. Yeah, sweet yeah, because 1:53:11.640 --> 1:53:12.800 I was like he was going to be the star 1:53:12.880 --> 1:53:14.800 of a whole movie. Fuck yeah, because that was your 1:53:14.800 --> 1:53:17.719 first like biggest was my support? 1:53:17.920 --> 1:53:20.720 How did you how did you. How did the same 1:53:20.800 --> 1:53:23.200 thing I read for the part with with Bruce Paltrow. 1:53:23.360 --> 1:53:27.519 You know. Gwenni's dad directed it. And then they they 1:53:27.560 --> 1:53:31.479 had apparently tried to make it earlier with but they 1:53:31.520 --> 1:53:35.240 couldn't find the right Ricky Dean, so with the not Lewis, 1:53:35.520 --> 1:53:39.720 and so they they pro in the game he uh, 1:53:40.880 --> 1:53:44.160 you know, he cast me. And then they said we 1:53:44.280 --> 1:53:48.240 want you to sing a song. I said, great, he 1:53:48.320 --> 1:53:51.400 says the song. The song in the script was song 1:53:51.520 --> 1:53:55.960 few Leon Russell and uh, and they changed She's but 1:53:56.360 --> 1:53:58.479 Gwenna's going to change the song. I said, no problem. 1:53:58.800 --> 1:54:01.680 So now I get the part. We're gonna film it 1:54:01.760 --> 1:54:04.560 in Vancouver in like five months. But I get a 1:54:04.640 --> 1:54:10.760 call that Gwyneth has chosen the song. Uh, cruising, just 1:54:10.880 --> 1:54:13.280 chosen a song. It's a smokey Robinson tune. I went, great, 1:54:13.360 --> 1:54:18.360 what's smoking Robinson Cruising? I never I didn't know. I 1:54:18.439 --> 1:54:20.639 didn't know the song right, So I said, well, send 1:54:20.640 --> 1:54:22.040 it to me and we'll check it out. They send 1:54:22.040 --> 1:54:24.439 it to me. I said, okay, I got it. Let's 1:54:25.520 --> 1:54:27.120 I called him back. I said, it sounds great. Let's 1:54:27.200 --> 1:54:28.920 let's get we need to get together around a piano 1:54:29.000 --> 1:54:31.439 and pick a key, and oh no, we already cut it. 1:54:31.960 --> 1:54:35.160 I said, really another we are in the world since 1:54:35.200 --> 1:54:37.200 you went what key did you cut it in? 1:54:37.320 --> 1:54:40.480 They said original key? I said, okay, So I listened 1:54:40.480 --> 1:54:43.480 to it and it's super high, you know. So so 1:54:43.600 --> 1:54:46.280 I fashioned this other part together and then we went 1:54:47.040 --> 1:54:51.240 down there and now we got into the studio, Gwyneth 1:54:51.280 --> 1:54:55.120 and me and forty five other people, like we've made 1:54:55.200 --> 1:54:58.240 up people and camera people and then record comings and 1:54:58.280 --> 1:55:01.240 blah blah, and Larry Klein reduced it and he did 1:55:01.280 --> 1:55:04.160 a great job. And she just sang her butt off. Man, 1:55:04.280 --> 1:55:05.680 she can really sing that girl. 1:55:06.560 --> 1:55:09.480 Were you surprised with number one? 1:55:11.200 --> 1:55:14.400 Yeah? You know what they did is they messed up 1:55:14.440 --> 1:55:16.560 on the film. What they should have done is the 1:55:16.720 --> 1:55:20.160 power power love, release it, let it go, but then 1:55:20.240 --> 1:55:22.880 release the movie. They released the movie in the song 1:55:22.960 --> 1:55:26.280 at the same time, and the movie went right, and 1:55:26.360 --> 1:55:29.120 then two months later the song was number one. 1:55:30.120 --> 1:55:36.480 So his cruising did better than d'angelo's cruising. Okay, that's 1:55:36.560 --> 1:55:41.520 very okay, Well, you know it's Dangels was great. 1:55:41.640 --> 1:55:43.000 You just look at that Simpsons placement. 1:55:43.040 --> 1:55:43.520 So he's cool. 1:55:45.040 --> 1:55:45.400 He did. 1:55:45.600 --> 1:55:45.800 Yeah. 1:55:46.200 --> 1:55:49.160 Yeah, when there there's a I think like margin Homer 1:55:49.320 --> 1:55:50.920 riding around the car and cruising. 1:55:50.680 --> 1:55:51.240 Is on the radio? 1:55:51.400 --> 1:55:56.320 Really, kid, how do you know that it's the Simpsons? 1:55:56.840 --> 1:56:01.240 Okay, Paul, Phil it makes sense. So okay, I do 1:56:01.480 --> 1:56:02.080 have to ask you. 1:56:04.920 --> 1:56:10.520 With with having trouble with your your hearing right now, 1:56:11.960 --> 1:56:15.080 when was the beginning of you? This is weird because 1:56:15.080 --> 1:56:18.960 I just got my ears cleaned out today? How does 1:56:19.000 --> 1:56:22.560 that happen? Was it just years of abuse on your ear? 1:56:22.640 --> 1:56:25.680 Drums or the answers? 1:56:25.760 --> 1:56:28.800 They don't know for my recent right this is like 1:56:28.840 --> 1:56:32.400 the last year change. It's not like year nine months, 1:56:32.880 --> 1:56:33.240 nine months. 1:56:34.160 --> 1:56:38.160 I actually diagnosed with something called Miniere's disease. It's first 1:56:38.680 --> 1:56:41.480 for me. It started thirty five years ago. I got 1:56:41.760 --> 1:56:44.120 vertigo so bad I couldn't do a gig one time. 1:56:44.320 --> 1:56:46.640 I had to go to the hospital and then they 1:56:46.840 --> 1:56:49.800 gave me a thorozine it's appository, and then I was fine. 1:56:50.280 --> 1:56:53.920 And then five years later had another vertigo about then 1:56:54.080 --> 1:56:56.960 suddenly I lost my hearing in my right ear, like 1:56:57.160 --> 1:57:00.280 maybe twenty five years ago. Twenty years ago. Went to 1:57:00.320 --> 1:57:01.920 see my e in t guy. He says, get used 1:57:01.920 --> 1:57:05.120 to it. I said, what whoa it happens? You only 1:57:05.200 --> 1:57:06.880 need one ear. I said, what do you mean, I'm 1:57:06.880 --> 1:57:09.960 a musician. He said, Jimmy Hendricks had one ear. Wait 1:57:10.080 --> 1:57:13.680 what Bryan Wilson had one ear? He says, I have 1:57:13.840 --> 1:57:16.880 one ear and I'm in a barbershop quartet. I said, 1:57:16.960 --> 1:57:19.840 really yeah, he says, you only need one. I said, 1:57:20.000 --> 1:57:22.760 all right. So I went home, told my wife that 1:57:22.880 --> 1:57:25.440 I he said to get used to it. She says, 1:57:25.440 --> 1:57:27.480 you can't do that. You got to go to UCSF 1:57:27.600 --> 1:57:30.400 get second opinion. I went and got tested up and down. 1:57:30.480 --> 1:57:34.000 They couldn't. Nobody knows anything about this. So now a 1:57:34.120 --> 1:57:35.920 year and nine months ago, I lost my other ear 1:57:36.440 --> 1:57:40.080 before a gig, just went deaf, and I have a 1:57:40.160 --> 1:57:44.720 particularly acute case of Menyere's disease. Meneir's disease is a 1:57:45.720 --> 1:57:49.120 is a syndrome based on symptoms, which means they really 1:57:49.160 --> 1:57:55.520 don't know what it is. It's you know, if you 1:57:55.640 --> 1:58:00.840 have vertigo, hearing loss, fullness in your ears, and tinaitous. 1:58:01.480 --> 1:58:03.560 They call it many airs disease, but they don't know 1:58:03.640 --> 1:58:08.120 what it is. I've been everywhere from Stanford are Institute 1:58:08.160 --> 1:58:14.120 House here, Institute, Mayo Clinic, UCSF, Mass General ironeer no help. 1:58:14.520 --> 1:58:19.600 I've had chiropractic. I've had acupuncture. I've had low salt, 1:58:19.680 --> 1:58:25.200 all organic diet, no caffeine, no chocolate, sentral oils. You know, 1:58:25.240 --> 1:58:27.440 I've tried everything. I've been to, the been to all 1:58:27.480 --> 1:58:30.920 the holistically I've nobody knows that. And yet my hearing 1:58:31.120 --> 1:58:35.920 fluctuates still, but it's episodic. It's weird. It'll be okay 1:58:36.080 --> 1:58:39.680 for like for eight days, it'll okay, still crappy, but 1:58:39.800 --> 1:58:44.480 it's and then I'll then I'll go a week almost 1:58:44.560 --> 1:58:49.400 completely deaf, almost entirely deaf. What is that like? Especially 1:58:49.480 --> 1:58:53.360 when music is your well, forget music. I don't even 1:58:53.400 --> 1:58:56.280 think about music. It's worse than that. I think about 1:58:56.360 --> 1:58:59.960 being able to exist, because when I can't hear speed 1:59:00.040 --> 1:59:03.000 each when i'm bad right now, i'm one to ten, 1:59:03.240 --> 1:59:05.920 I'm a four. I've only been as good as six 1:59:06.120 --> 1:59:08.880 ever and and i'm a four, which is good. But 1:59:09.000 --> 1:59:11.400 I can be one or one and a half. When 1:59:11.400 --> 1:59:13.480 I'm one and a half or two, I can't hear anything, 1:59:13.920 --> 1:59:17.600 and so I exist in a cocoon and it's it's 1:59:17.960 --> 1:59:22.400 it's it's okay, but you're better off by yourself, so 1:59:22.560 --> 1:59:27.560 there's nobody not to hear, and I read and I write. 1:59:28.440 --> 1:59:31.240 You know, I'm writing some stuff and and that's all. 1:59:31.360 --> 1:59:33.400 That's that's what I do. I haven't watched television in 1:59:33.440 --> 1:59:36.200 a year and nine months. I haven't listened to music 1:59:36.320 --> 1:59:38.080 in almost two years. 1:59:40.880 --> 1:59:44.680 Like the performance thing must be clearly an issue then. 1:59:44.760 --> 1:59:47.120 But like when you're at like a six, I was, 1:59:47.640 --> 1:59:49.480 I was, we were watching your The teaser for your 1:59:49.520 --> 1:59:56.160 documentary is is singing versus harp playing different because because 1:59:56.160 --> 1:59:58.360 of the of the vibrations of the harp, can you 1:59:58.440 --> 2:00:00.920 feel it in your head? Versus singing is different? 2:00:01.360 --> 2:00:05.680 No, it's all the same. And in fact, instrument playing 2:00:05.720 --> 2:00:09.480 an instrument in many ways, like harmonica is almost worse 2:00:10.040 --> 2:00:12.560 because you know, when you bend a note, you need 2:00:12.680 --> 2:00:16.200 pitch and you can't find pitch. When when I have 2:00:16.960 --> 2:00:20.280 a bass part, which would sound bow bow bow bow 2:00:20.440 --> 2:00:26.000 bow goes to me it sounds everything's what you're through 2:00:26.040 --> 2:00:28.880 a blown speaker, and you have to fight for pitch. 2:00:29.000 --> 2:00:33.120 You can't find pitch. Forget fun, you know, like what 2:00:33.360 --> 2:00:35.240 song is fun? You're in the middle of it. It's 2:00:35.280 --> 2:00:37.680 just playing itself, you know what I mean. You're singing 2:00:37.840 --> 2:00:41.680 or playing and it's playing itself. That never happens once. 2:00:41.800 --> 2:00:45.880 If I'm a six and somebody plays quiet cocktail piano 2:00:46.000 --> 2:00:49.400 kind of thing, I can almost sing, but the points 2:00:49.480 --> 2:00:51.400 moot because I can't book a gig. 2:00:52.120 --> 2:00:53.600 I had a month because I. 2:00:53.600 --> 2:00:56.200 Don't know what I'm going to be like, got it ship? 2:00:57.840 --> 2:00:58.640 Oh that's your. 2:01:01.120 --> 2:01:03.320 You got a brand new so you got that done. 2:01:03.360 --> 2:01:06.000 That wasn't felt good to make that happen, right, I said, 2:01:06.040 --> 2:01:07.880 you got a brand new record, and you got that done, 2:01:07.920 --> 2:01:09.560 so it felt good I had. 2:01:09.760 --> 2:01:13.320 We had. These were seven tunes on our new record 2:01:13.400 --> 2:01:18.160 that we had cut before this happened. And what we 2:01:18.240 --> 2:01:20.280 were just taking our own sweet time. We're doing seventy 2:01:20.320 --> 2:01:23.200 five to eighty shows a year and trying to stay 2:01:23.280 --> 2:01:26.360 out of the limelight while we make another record, just 2:01:26.440 --> 2:01:30.160 keeping everybody alive fingering. The longer we stay away, the 2:01:30.280 --> 2:01:33.480 better if we're good when we come back. And my band, 2:01:33.640 --> 2:01:35.880 we were as good as we've ever been two years ago. 2:01:36.360 --> 2:01:40.800 We were still improving. And but now that this happened, 2:01:40.880 --> 2:01:43.720 you know, we figured what and we were recording songs 2:01:44.040 --> 2:01:46.040 along with I mean, some of these songs we've been 2:01:46.080 --> 2:01:49.200 playing for ten years, you know, but we record them 2:01:49.440 --> 2:01:51.600 a little bit as we went because we have lives 2:01:51.640 --> 2:01:54.000 as well, you know, and doing seventy five shows, you 2:01:54.000 --> 2:01:55.400 don't have a lot of time to get in the studio. 2:01:55.800 --> 2:01:58.040 But we had these seven songs done. So now when 2:01:58.080 --> 2:01:59.960 this happened, we said, what the hell, let's release this song. 2:02:00.640 --> 2:02:01.880 So well. 2:02:01.880 --> 2:02:03.600 I was going to say, are you big on vacations? 2:02:03.640 --> 2:02:05.720 But I guess living in Montana, that's sort. 2:02:05.560 --> 2:02:07.600 Of like you your quiet place here. 2:02:08.840 --> 2:02:10.800 I mean, now, how does it feel to slow down 2:02:11.000 --> 2:02:16.560 and just well, you know, I miss I don't miss 2:02:16.640 --> 2:02:19.240 doing five shows a week, you know, but I miss 2:02:19.320 --> 2:02:23.520 doing one and I miss my guys, you know, the 2:02:24.600 --> 2:02:27.880 camaraderie of all that we did together. I miss that. 2:02:28.720 --> 2:02:32.720 And I feel bad for my twenty five guys who 2:02:33.720 --> 2:02:36.800 you know are gone. And the fans have been great. 2:02:36.840 --> 2:02:40.040 I mean the letters and stuff, the support I get. 2:02:40.320 --> 2:02:43.800 You know, it's funny because you do this stuff, you know, 2:02:44.000 --> 2:02:46.280 just day to day, and you don't think about your 2:02:46.320 --> 2:02:48.200 impact or any of that crap. I don't. You don't 2:02:48.200 --> 2:02:50.760 think about it at all. And now that I'm not 2:02:51.000 --> 2:02:53.680 doing it day to day and I get these letters 2:02:53.760 --> 2:02:57.280 and stuff. Wow, you know, it's really moving to say. 2:02:57.400 --> 2:03:00.200 I mean, people with cancer, people who have you know, 2:03:00.440 --> 2:03:02.880 we've lost people and all that stuff, how your music 2:03:03.000 --> 2:03:05.800 consoles them and so on. So it's really a wonderful thing. 2:03:05.920 --> 2:03:08.480 So I try to remind myself that I have, in 2:03:08.600 --> 2:03:11.160 spite of this, lots to be thankful for. You know, 2:03:12.120 --> 2:03:13.720 there's always somebody up worse off. 2:03:13.840 --> 2:03:15.920 So amen. 2:03:16.080 --> 2:03:16.400 Amen. 2:03:17.480 --> 2:03:18.960 Yeah, you didn't know. 2:03:19.000 --> 2:03:20.640 You was a joy bringer, Hugh Lewis. 2:03:21.320 --> 2:03:22.040 You heard what I said. 2:03:23.080 --> 2:03:24.600 I said you didn't You didn't know you were a 2:03:24.680 --> 2:03:25.080 joy bringer. 2:03:25.080 --> 2:03:26.840 It's funny because I'm sitting here listening to you for 2:03:26.880 --> 2:03:29.040 the last two hours, and I was like, Hugh really 2:03:29.080 --> 2:03:32.840 doesn't understand the impact of his music and how certainly. 2:03:32.080 --> 2:03:35.640 It's a select amount of bands or artists who can 2:03:35.720 --> 2:03:37.760 evoke such joy that whatever. 2:03:37.560 --> 2:03:40.959 You're doing at that moment when their song comes on happiness, 2:03:41.240 --> 2:03:42.120 everything just stops. 2:03:42.160 --> 2:03:43.080 And that's y'all. 2:03:43.800 --> 2:03:46.000 Wait and prepping for this interview, you know, you go 2:03:46.120 --> 2:03:48.160 through the go through the catalog, you know, and I'm 2:03:48.160 --> 2:03:51.240 listening to songs and I'm like, damn, I haven't heard 2:03:51.280 --> 2:03:53.160 this song in a long time. And then like, you know, 2:03:53.440 --> 2:03:56.120 like Heart and Soul came on and. 2:03:56.360 --> 2:03:57.600 Happiest moments in my life. 2:03:57.720 --> 2:04:00.600 Yeah, I'm like, I like I the song came on 2:04:00.680 --> 2:04:02.800 and I vividly remembered, like I used to sleep with 2:04:02.880 --> 2:04:04.240 the radio on when I was a kid, and I 2:04:04.280 --> 2:04:06.480 remember that song coming on and it was two o'clock 2:04:06.480 --> 2:04:08.720 in the morning when the song came on, and the 2:04:08.800 --> 2:04:10.960 first lyric and yeah it's two o'clock, and then like 2:04:11.040 --> 2:04:13.560 all that ship just came rushing back, and then like 2:04:14.600 --> 2:04:17.480 Jacob's Ladder comes on, Like fuck, I remember driving down 2:04:17.520 --> 2:04:19.640 this riding down this street. You know, it's just like 2:04:20.240 --> 2:04:21.440 you're the soundtrack of my. 2:04:23.480 --> 2:04:26.400 Like you're very sweet to say that, you're very very 2:04:26.400 --> 2:04:28.920 sweet and that means a lot, really mean it. Thank 2:04:28.920 --> 2:04:29.520 you very much. 2:04:30.440 --> 2:04:34.440 Thanks well on behalf of the U the Supreme team. 2:04:34.760 --> 2:04:40.120 While on pay Bill Boss Bill, the audience can see it. 2:04:40.920 --> 2:04:43.040 Sugar Steve, we would like to thank you so much 2:04:43.080 --> 2:04:45.360 for coming on the show. There's been a major education. 2:04:46.600 --> 2:04:49.920 It's been wonderful and it seemed like went by like that. 2:04:50.000 --> 2:04:51.040 It seemed like five minutes. 2:04:52.880 --> 2:04:54.880 You never boarded Montana. You want to come hang out 2:04:54.920 --> 2:04:56.360 with us? You just come hang out with us? 2:04:56.480 --> 2:04:57.560 Yes, yeah, what's that? 2:04:57.640 --> 2:04:59.840 Sorry, anytime you're in Montana you're bored because there's a 2:04:59.840 --> 2:05:01.400 lot the wildlife, you can come hang out with us. 2:05:01.480 --> 2:05:03.400 Anytime you want, or if you're lonely, you just want 2:05:03.440 --> 2:05:04.320 us to come over your hand. 2:05:05.680 --> 2:05:07.520 Yeah, I got it. 2:05:08.120 --> 2:05:08.480 Here we go. 2:05:08.760 --> 2:05:10.880 All well, thank you very much and we appreciate it 2:05:11.320 --> 2:05:11.840 to this gang. 2:05:11.960 --> 2:05:14.480 Before we before we log off, I just want to 2:05:14.520 --> 2:05:17.040 ask you, as as the the the boss of all 2:05:17.080 --> 2:05:19.360 of us, can we have a couple of shows off? 2:05:21.640 --> 2:05:23.320 That was a Huey Lewis reference. 2:05:23.000 --> 2:05:26.520 And horribly and I won't edit that out. 2:05:27.280 --> 2:05:29.640 No, you won't be keeping that. No, we will see 2:05:29.640 --> 2:05:32.000 you on the next go around, y'all. This is the supreme. 2:05:34.000 --> 2:05:35.560 That one wasn't as big a hit as. 2:05:37.440 --> 2:05:39.080 I will say. 2:05:39.080 --> 2:05:40.560 That is one of my favorite who loosened to the 2:05:40.560 --> 2:05:40.960 new songs? 2:05:41.120 --> 2:05:44.760 I thought it was a good one too. A couple 2:05:44.800 --> 2:05:45.400 of days off. 2:05:45.800 --> 2:05:48.360 We're gonna have to pay for that, I know we. 2:05:48.440 --> 2:06:14.800 Don't anyway set around. Thank you very much. For more 2:06:14.880 --> 2:06:19.360 podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or 2:06:19.400 --> 2:06:21.000 wherever you listen to your favorite shows. 2:06:23.240 --> 2:06:23.280 M