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Speaker 9: My name is Huie. Yeah, I'm six feet tall. Yeah,

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Speaker 11: Yeah, that's cool. Yes, absolutely, Ladies and gentlemen, welcome, Oh yeah, welcome.

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Speaker 11: That's what I welcome to another episode of course Love Supreme.

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Speaker 11: I am your host, uh quest Love, and we thank

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Speaker 11: you for joining us. Joining us is a team Supreme.

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Speaker 11: We got a boss Bill in the house. Hello, and

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Speaker 11: unpaid Bill in the house.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And we have Sugar Steve that's correct. Yeah, and we have.

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Speaker 10: K God.

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Speaker 1: You got it right.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll never get your name wrong, that's true.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I will say that our guest today is one of

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Speaker 1: my personal favorites.

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Speaker 11: He's a fine singer, steeped in the tradition of what

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Speaker 11: I What I'll say is blue eyed lose with a

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Speaker 11: tinge of raspy soul on the side, A hell of

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Speaker 11: a blues heart man, definitely hell of that. He's fronted

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Speaker 11: one of the in my opinion, one of the sharpest

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Speaker 11: units in music. Over twenty top ten singles sold plenty

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Speaker 11: of thirty million account of thirty million albums in the

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Speaker 11: past thirty plus years.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to sound forty years. It sounds like

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Speaker 1: a lot.

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Speaker 9: I'm embarrassing.

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Speaker 12: No, we've just begun.

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Speaker 1: Not to mention. I'd like to say that, you know

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Speaker 1: what can't be ignored is their foray into really effective

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Speaker 1: music videos and using humor and personality during the age

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Speaker 1: of the dawning of MTV's rise, really captured our hearts

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Speaker 1: of millions. I'm trying my hardest to not sound like

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Speaker 1: Patrick Bateman of American Psycho.

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Speaker 11: He is fronted one of my favorite favorite favorite units.

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Speaker 11: I'll say that their their live performance kicks ass. Their

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Speaker 11: harmonies are bar none, the music everything's in there. Ladies

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Speaker 11: and gentlemen, please welcome to quest Lop Supreme. Sir Hugh

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Speaker 11: Anthony Craig.

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Speaker 12: The Third, No, Mas, Hugh Lewis test.

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Speaker 9: Up Supreme, Thank you, thank you, thank you. Great to

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Speaker 9: be here.

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Speaker 1: How goes it?

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Speaker 9: Good? Good good. I've had a little trouble getting here.

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Speaker 9: You know, I'm I live in Montana. Really yeah, so

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Speaker 9: more cheese, less rats.

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Speaker 11: So you're you're you're just a lifetime nomad kind of

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Speaker 11: really well, I've been on the road for you know, forever.

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Speaker 9: We you know, I have a driver who reminded me

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Speaker 9: that I you know, I lost my hearing here a

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Speaker 9: year and nine months ago and haven't been able to

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Speaker 9: work because I can't hear music well enough. But so

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Speaker 9: I've been in one place sometimes more than My driver

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Speaker 9: reminded me that after forty years of driving me, he

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Speaker 9: can't ever remember me being in one place for more

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Speaker 1: I was going to say, like, I know of your

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Speaker 1: history of traveling since your youth. Where do you.

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Speaker 11: I won't say where do you consider home? But what's

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Speaker 11: your sentimental that's home?

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Speaker 9: San Francisco? Okay.

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Speaker 1: More importantly, when all is said and done, where would

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Speaker 9: Probably Montana? Really probably Montana. It's beautiful, air is clean,

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Speaker 9: you got animals, got tons of animals, all kinds of wildlife.

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Speaker 9: We got horses.

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Speaker 1: And so you lived on you live on a ranch.

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Speaker 9: I do a little ranches. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So you and Kanye know something that none of us see,

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Speaker 1: none of us sentence before. So this is the thing.

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Speaker 11: I never start this show on at the end, but

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Speaker 11: sell me on Montana, Like, tell me why because you

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Speaker 11: know something?

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Speaker 1: Kanye knows something. I'm hearing a few other celebrities sort of.

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Speaker 9: Unspoiled, not too many people, more critters, you know, it's

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Speaker 9: just out if you like the outdoors. And I love

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Speaker 9: the outdoors, it's a it's it's a great place.

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Speaker 12: Just Kanye love the outdoors.

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Speaker 1: Well, he loves Montana.

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Speaker 8: I mean we've mentioned Kanye way too much on this episode.

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Speaker 1: Can we can?

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Speaker 12: Yes?

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Speaker 10: And he's why Wyoming anyway?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: Oh yeah, Wyoming not Montana. Oh damn, I thought it

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Speaker 10: Either way, they don't want no more select.

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Speaker 1: I take that back. Okay, Kanye does not different, deal.

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Speaker 12: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Just think of like a home on the ranch.

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Speaker 9: The deer different down there. It's way different.

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Speaker 1: Really okay?

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Speaker 9: Really?

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Speaker 1: So where were you born?

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Speaker 9: New York City? Manhattan? You a port? What part right there?

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Speaker 1: But I mean what part of Manhattan were you?

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Speaker 9: I don't know. Where was the French Hospital? Midtown? Maybe?

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Speaker 1: How how long did you stay in Manhattan?

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Speaker 9: About a year? Oh as a baby, I got tired

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Speaker 12: More than three weeks.

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Speaker 1: How when did music enter your life?

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Speaker 9: Real early on? My dad was a was a drummer.

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Speaker 9: My dad was a was a radiologist by trade, but

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Speaker 1: So what did your mom do?

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Speaker 9: My mom was an artist and she was born in

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Speaker 9: She was an artist and so she my dad realized

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Speaker 11: So she was part of that Timothy Leary generation all

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Speaker 11: that tunant What does that entail? Like I always you know,

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Speaker 9: To do and just like live by the moment? And

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Speaker 9: I think so, I think that's initially what it was.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, So you grew up in out there and there

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Speaker 11: was some LSD involved, Okay, okay, so that made.

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Speaker 9: Everything a little easier.

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Speaker 12: Told me about it, drum. So in San francis a

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Speaker 12: fist book between Hwet and Steve for those that missed that.

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Speaker 1: So in San Francisco, were you kind of in a

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Speaker 9: Like no, no, because my my my mom my dad

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Speaker 1: The prep school in New Jersey, I don't even Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So how did that make you feel the insight? Like

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Speaker 9: It was a little crazy, to be honest, My did

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Speaker 9: you met friends easily? Or I didn't because I was

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Speaker 9: set me off. And I was I was thirteen.

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Speaker 1: Were you the only child?

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Speaker 9: I had a brother, a younger brother, five years younger, okay,

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Speaker 9: and he stayed with my mom. My mother had custody,

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Speaker 9: but my father petitioned the court to allow me to

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Speaker 10: But how were you away?

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Speaker 9: Well, I'd go back on summertime, you know, Christmas, Christmas

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Speaker 9: in summer. But I was away for four years for

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Speaker 1: Sounds like it.

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Speaker 10: I It depends he was independent, though, because what was

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Speaker 4: As a boy in prep school, you have freedom in

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Speaker 4: it's like college but kids.

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Speaker 9: I mean, I was horribly homesick when I first left. Obviously, Uh,

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Speaker 9: And uh, after a while it was fine.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure I was a girls school down the street.

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Speaker 12: Not everything is dead, poets decided, just clear, that's a movie.

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Speaker 1: So what was your.

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Speaker 11: Described? Well, wait, before you do that, do you remember

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Speaker 11: the first record you purchased?

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Speaker 9: Yep? What was it? A quarter to three?

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Speaker 1: Here are us? There are U s bines okay.

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Speaker 9: And then or might have been wild one Bobby right now, okay,

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Speaker 9: a little bitty pretty one. Those are the first three

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Speaker 1: So you're post you wops early British rocking.

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Speaker 9: Start, but immediately became an R and B snob and

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Speaker 12: No, no, LSD, no TSA to walk us through.

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Speaker 9: Survival? What? Yeah? Like what for you? What was like?

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Speaker 9: I remember in Africa in.

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Speaker 10: Is it seventeen? Are you how old are you?

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Speaker 11: That's right, Oh my god, Like, hey, you want to

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Speaker 10: Why did you shoes Morocco?

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Speaker 9: So I flew to London right and then and that's

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Speaker 12: Didn't see that coming.

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Speaker 9: Stay Cassole. Game is.

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Speaker 12: Pens and refund ticket. It's ship Huey Lewis.

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Speaker 1: Wait, wait, I'm just curious when does this finesse game?

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Speaker 12: Cigarettes little tiny four packed cigarette smoking.

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Speaker 5: Like so cool man on airplanes.

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Speaker 9: Can you imagine every every armist had a little ash

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Speaker 12: The hell off this thing?

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Speaker 11: Remember one I embarrassed the living crap out. Then my

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Speaker 9: That's all, you know.

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Speaker 9: Good that's a good question. That's a really good question.

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Speaker 9: It might be with Paul Butterfield at here in New

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Speaker 9: No, it went over four way before Filmore. We're talking

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Speaker 1: Did that lead you to Clover? Go into how Clover

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00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 1: came in?

449
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 9: Well? Then, well I took a year off, bummed around

450
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 9: Europe after after high school, like dad said, played harmonica

451
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 9: all the time, went back went to Cornell, I was

452
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 9: an engineering student at Cornell. As you do, I all

453
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 9: before in prep school, so I got I didn't even

454
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 9: hardly have to go to class my freshman year and

455
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 9: I got a four point zero. Was no problem because

456
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,679
Speaker 9: I literally had it all before. You were you were

457
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,679
Speaker 9: a meth was right, kind of you.

458
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 10: Know, perfect score on the skin like that.

459
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:53,120
Speaker 14: Kind of okay, Dwayne Wayne, Dwayne, Dwayne Wayne, different world,

460
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 14: a fictional character that's quarter perfect going in Memphis.

461
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 9: Yeah, but I and so after that year off, I

462
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 9: went back to Cornell and I went to engineering school

463
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,199
Speaker 9: and I went in and that was not near as

464
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 9: much fun as bumming around Europe with harmonica, and so

465
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 9: I joined the bands and I didn't really have to

466
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 9: go to class much. So I played in fraternity bands

467
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 9: until my sophomore year started catching up with me.

468
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 14: You know.

469
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 9: So about halfway through the sophomore year, and that was

470
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 9: the year at Cornell where the Afro American Student Society

471
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,119
Speaker 9: took over the Wild Straight Hall and it was all

472
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 9: that stuff in the SDS and all that stuff. So

473
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 9: you could take pass fail, was the good news. So

474
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,479
Speaker 9: we took pass fail. That was another semester I got

475
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 9: under my belt. I was like then I was dead

476
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 9: and it caught up with me. So I called my

477
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 9: own man. I said, Pops, I'm dropping out. I'm gonna

478
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 9: be uh, I'm gonna I'm gonna try and be a musician.

479
00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 9: He went, whatever he said, go for it. You know

480
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 9: you did what you did your bum around Europe. I

481
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 9: told you I wasn't going to tell you what to do.

482
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 9: Your life is your own.

483
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 12: Good luck, good parenting.

484
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 9: Fuck well, it looked like pretty bad parenting for the

485
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,640
Speaker 9: first ten years or fifteen years.

486
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 12: Let me tell you as a parent, good for your

487
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 12: father for just being like, do what you want.

488
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 1: During the formative years before you formed Clover, did you

489
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 1: have any interaction with any notable future singer songwriter, like

490
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 1: anyone that.

491
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 9: That's a good question. Let me think not really, I mean,

492
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 9: I'm trying out. Why did that take me so long?

493
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 14: Like?

494
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: No, no, running into Springsteen during the days of bar banding.

495
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 9: Oh, I didn't see that, you know. I mean, Butterfield

496
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 9: was a was a thing for me. And then I

497
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 9: dropped out. I went back to San Francisco, and then

498
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 9: I started going to uh, you know, the film more

499
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 9: and and seeing that stuff and seeing uh, you know,

500
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 9: Aretha with King Curtis at the film or Auditorium. Yo,

501
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,360
Speaker 9: you were there those recordings right, well once one night.

502
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 1: Well they eventually since then released all of.

503
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 12: Them eight nights.

504
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 9: Yeah, it was unbelievable. Wow.

505
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 8: You know this video of that online too, right, I

506
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 8: did not know.

507
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 9: Ye, okay, that was unbelievable. You know that Filmore holds

508
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 9: about eight hundred people. People don't write the film original

509
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 9: Filmore Auditorium, it's like eight hundred to one thousand people.

510
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: Oh so the one that I play at has been

511
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 1: expanded and where this one over here or the one

512
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: the one.

513
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 9: In that was? That was that was a huge film

514
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 9: winter Land, right.

515
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 1: Yes, oh you're talking about film More easy.

516
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 9: Written on the original Filmore Auditorium right in San Francisco.

517
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 9: Still there's still a gig still there, but it only

518
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 9: holds eight hundred thousand people.

519
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. In my mind, I thought it

520
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 1: was like a three thousand.

521
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 9: It seems like that. Go there again. We just worked there.

522
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 9: It's it's this tiny, little place, tiny and you don't

523
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 9: realize that at Hendrix in this place like here you

524
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 9: had cream in this place back here. It was unbelievable.

525
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 7: Okay, when did you consider yourself a hard player or

526
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 7: vocalist or were both at the same time, or when

527
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 7: did you switch to it from one to the other,

528
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,239
Speaker 7: because you talk a lot about being a harpist, right,

529
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 7: I was.

530
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 9: Mostly playing harmonic until I did my busking thing, and

531
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 9: then I sang, and then I then I joined the band.

532
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 9: When when I get when I joined Clover, I sang

533
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 9: like a song or two, you know, But my voice,

534
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 9: rough as it is, was not a seventies hair band,

535
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 9: you know, Journey Boston, it wasn't happening. So I was

536
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 9: an R and B guy and so I just played

537
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 9: harmonica and the Clover thing. So vocal wise, who did

538
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 9: you Ray Charles to get the question?

539
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 12: No hesitation?

540
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: Do you want to take questions?

541
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 5: And Johnny Taylor, I mean, yeah, I'm a costello freak,

542
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 5: So who is every everybody knows your connection to Well

543
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 5: Clover connection to Miam is true.

544
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 8: They were the backing band on that album. For those

545
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 8: that don't know, Bill.

546
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 5: Right right, Sorry, So yes, Clover was was high Well.

547
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 5: Clover was first discovered by Nick Lowe in l A.

548
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 9: Right, and actually by uh It's a kind of a

549
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 9: funny story because our Clover had made a record before

550
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 9: I joined them, there was a kind of vintage uh

551
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 9: country rock. In fact, Clover had a record in the

552
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 9: sixties where the on the cover there was John McPhee

553
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 9: had hair down to had he had overalls on with

554
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 9: hairdown to his waist and they and they're all standing,

555
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 9: they all had long hair and they're standing in front

556
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 9: of six foot high marijuana planets. Well, this was like

557
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 9: sixty eight. Is Willie Nelson had a coat and tye

558
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 9: on at this point?

559
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: Seriously, it was.

560
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 9: It was and the Dolly Porton Porter Wagner show was

561
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 9: on and Willie was on it, and there was no

562
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 9: and this was Clover. They were really ahead of their time.

563
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 9: And so when I joined that band, uh we we

564
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 9: we labored for a while. And then Jake Rivere, who

565
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 9: managed Elvis and at the time was helping out with

566
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 9: a group called Doctor Feel Good and feel Good was

567
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 9: a and he was good. They asked Jake to road

568
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 9: manage their trip to set to La. They were going

569
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 9: to play at the CBS Convention in La and so,

570
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 9: and they brought Nick Lowe along as a guitar roadie,

571
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 9: just for a free trip to for a free trip

572
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 9: to America. So it is the Doctor Feel Goods, Jake

573
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 9: and Nick Low. So we're playing the Palomino Club in

574
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 9: La clover Is. It's a country club, you know, country

575
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 9: western club. We're playing the Palomino and in want these

576
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 9: six guys in like gray suits and short hair. You

577
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 9: know who were these guys And turned it was Nick

578
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 9: and Jake because they'd seen that we were there and

579
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 9: they knew about Over's first record and they were big.

580
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 5: Because they love country rock, that's it.

581
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,719
Speaker 9: They thought they thought country rock pub rock was going

582
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 9: to be the next big thing. So they signed us

583
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 9: to Phonogram Records and we came to and we and

584
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 9: brought us over to England. We're gonna do it for

585
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 9: the British side from London. Well, the day we landed,

586
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 9: Johnny Rotten spit in the face of the first enemy

587
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 9: reporter and the game was on and we were in

588
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,959
Speaker 9: the wrong place at the wrong time. But we did

589
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 9: a lot of sessions and the band, the core band

590
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 9: back started.

591
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 5: And what he means is punk rock has just started

592
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 5: for people listening, Yeah, right, and country rock was not

593
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 5: necessarily gonna happen in London right at that moment. So then,

594
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 5: uh so they were starting stiff Records.

595
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 9: They started Stiff Records. Jake and Dave together they managed

596
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 9: Delvis Costello and Nick Love, Graham, Parker, Rat Scabies, the Damned,

597
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 9: and then they created Stiff Records. And then unfortunately they

598
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 9: had already signed us, so they stuck us. They realized

599
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 9: that we were more kind of an American band, so they,

600
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 9: uh they got mud Langer to produce our records in Wales.

601
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 9: Uh and the Mutt Langer. All right, this is before

602
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 9: he ever had a hit, before his magic period. He

603
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 9: was a staff producer at Phonogram, and he did like

604
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 9: some amazing amount of records a year, some like six

605
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 9: or seven records a year, and and you know City

606
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 9: Boy and all these acts that never happened. And uh,

607
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 9: until you know, until he kind of moved over here,

608
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 9: what was his what were his work habits?

609
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 14: Like?

610
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 9: Brilliant, still the same, I mean, it was consistent on

611
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 9: just an unbelievable work ethic. And you know he's brilliant.

612
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 9: I mean he's just that's all he does. He's just

613
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 9: he's of one mind. He just loves just lays in

614
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 9: the studio. Man loves loves it.

615
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: Okay, So.

616
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 5: Just to continue where where you left off. So you

617
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 5: Clover wasn't on Diff.

618
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 9: They were on Clover's on the Phonogram records. Did they

619
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 9: move to Stiff They didn't because Stiff There was no

620
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 9: Stiff when we first signed a Phonograph, right, Jake and Dave.

621
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 9: And then simultaneously when punk hit, they started Stiff Records.

622
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 9: They signed all these bands and we were still on Phonograph,

623
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 9: and then they uh, yeah, so then I guess then

624
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:26,239
Speaker 9: they signed Elvis. They found Elvis. Uh, Jake gave him

625
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 9: his name. I think Declin McManus gave him Elvis Costello

626
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 9: and they what was.

627
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 12: His name previously McManus.

628
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 8: We've known him forever. How come you you know you

629
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 8: did a record with the man? You didn't know what

630
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 8: his real name was.

631
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: I didn't know.

632
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 9: I thought, let me get name, get through this.

633
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 5: I need to know things. Okay, No, it's just this

634
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 5: notorious thing with Clover and Miami is true. So my

635
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 5: question really comes down to, so how did how did

636
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 5: Clover get that gig? So, and they have a follow

637
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 5: up question.

638
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 9: Jake signed Elvis Costell and they got Nick Low to

639
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 9: produce it, and Nick used us not me, not me,

640
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 9: and not my singer out, not our singer I was called,

641
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 9: but the other four guys as a rhythm section for

642
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 9: that that record, and they cut that record at pathway

643
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 9: that my amistry was cutting, really cutting, and the studio

644
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:23,719
Speaker 9: was was literally the studio and control room were as

645
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 9: big as this room right here, and we're in a

646
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 9: small studio and the control room was like a four

647
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 9: by four thing with a board eight trackie or maybe

648
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 9: maybe it was sixteen. I don't even know, but it was.

649
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 9: And they cut that record, and in fact, here's a

650
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,239
Speaker 9: great story for it, because the first thing they did

651
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 9: was rehearse obviously for before they went into cut, and

652
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 9: we were we were living in a place called Nigel

653
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 9: Grange and Surrey down. They rented a house that same

654
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 9: house that led Zeppelin cut all them big records and

655
00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 9: where they mike the drummers in the big So that

656
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 9: was our house called Headley Grange. So they when Elvis rehearsed,

657
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 9: we set up. We are set up in the in

658
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 9: the living room and Elvis came down, took the train

659
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,439
Speaker 9: down and rehearsed with the band for the first time. Well,

660
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 9: I went to London because you know, a harmonica player

661
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 9: and he was just going to rehearse with them. And

662
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 9: when I came back that night, we had dinner there

663
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 9: and we all had dinner and Elvis was gone. I said, so,

664
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 9: how was it today, and everybody's kind Oh it was good,

665
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 9: it was good good. And my keyboard player Sean Hopper went,

666
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 9: I'm telling you what this. This guy's lyrics are unbelievable.

667
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 9: He's really a genius, I'm telling you. And Sean Hopper

668
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 9: was the first guy to know how great Elvis Costello was.

669
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 9: I think even before Jake and Dave and all these

670
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,240
Speaker 9: before the management was in. Sean was a was a fanatic.

671
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 5: Okay, So as you just said, you were a singer

672
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 5: and harmonica player, and I guess weren't needed. There's no

673
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 5: harmonica on the on the record.

674
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 9: When they got ready to do it, Elvis said to me,

675
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 9: I got a couple of songs that you could play

676
00:34:58,360 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 9: on if you want to.

677
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 5: I said, great, Yeah, it seems like there's a couple

678
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 5: that could have had harm on.

679
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 9: But he's but they were cutting this this week and

680
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 9: it was we they had were They had worked us

681
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 9: like crazy, the management because you know, they would make money.

682
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 9: So we're working all the time. Uh, And so I

683
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 9: took the week off I said, it's okay, But I

684
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 9: went to Amsterdam.

685
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 12: It was okay.

686
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 9: My girlfriend flew over and we had we We saw

687
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 9: it as a vacation week for the other two of us,

688
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 9: so I didn't plan the record.

689
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 5: But you and you weren't at the sessions.

690
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 13: I was.

691
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 9: I was at one session briefly, but no, I guess

692
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 9: maybe it was a mixed session. I don't think. I

693
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 9: can't remember if I recorded at that studio a lot

694
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 9: and with the band, so I know what it was like.

695
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 5: But okay, Ultimately the question was I knew you weren't

696
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 5: on it.

697
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 12: I just wanted to you at the session.

698
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 9: I had nothing to do with it.

699
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 5: You might have been one mixed session, you're saying, Oh, yeah,

700
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,879
Speaker 5: that's the piece of information. I'm trying to mind.

701
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 9: I'm sure I was there. And then of course we

702
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 9: had the same management, you know, so we would bump

703
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 9: they were happening, and we we went to a lot

704
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 9: of Elvis' early shows when he played the Nashville Pub

705
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 9: and all that stuff, and I watched him ascend, you know,

706
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 9: and he's he's a wonderful guy and smart as you can,

707
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 9: as you imagine, and so is Jake. By the way,

708
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 9: and so is Nick Low and those three guys were

709
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 9: so smart.

710
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 5: It was I have one more question about this was

711
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 5: Clover Uh upset that they didn't get the permanent gig

712
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 5: with him and that he got the attractions starting with

713
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 5: the next album the next year.

714
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 9: No, no, we we we. You know there's that band thing.

715
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 9: We thought we were going to make it any minute,

716
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 9: and just you always think you're gonna make it any minute.

717
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 9: You know. Failure never breaks up bands. It success that

718
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 9: breaks up.

719
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: Write that down down.

720
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:55,760
Speaker 12: Ship.

721
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 1: All right? So when when the bill.

722
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 9: We can come back to?

723
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,479
Speaker 10: Steve doesn't know lcause you know they're very close.

724
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 5: I'm a huge I'm also a huge Huey Lewis fan.

725
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 5: The band imploded in seventy eight, correct, you guys broke up.

726
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 9: We broke up.

727
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: It was amicable or just.

728
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 9: Well kind of we lost our record deal and we

729
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 9: came back and uh and then McPhee and uh joined

730
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 9: Adobie Brothers. Sort of that's kind of what happened. I mean,

731
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 9: but yeah, it was pretty amicable.

732
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: So what leads to the development of Huey Lewis and

733
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: the News.

734
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 9: Well, let's see, I was so now we had always

735
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 9: played Monday Night was a fun night for us in

736
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 9: in Marin because it was I don't know, it was

737
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 9: just a night that we always used to have jam

738
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 9: sessions and stuff. And one of the local studios asked me,

739
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 9: I wanted local clubs, said do you want to resident?

740
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 9: He so residency yourself. I said, look, I'll give me

741
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 9: Monday nights. And so I did a think on Monday

742
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 9: Night Live that I invited all these different musicians and

743
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 9: we had a Monday Night Live band and that we

744
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 9: had a theme song and all that and comedians and

745
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 9: and it was kind of fun. And with the band,

746
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 9: we would slowly I was singing, I got I got

747
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 9: to sing all the songs for the first time.

748
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: We're either reluctant leader by this point exactly.

749
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 9: I wasn't that reluctant I had, but I wasn't sure

750
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 9: it was going to work, you know what I mean.

751
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 9: I was trying it out a little bit. So but

752
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 9: that's that. And that's we developed that in Monday Night Live.

753
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 9: And this studio owner saw us and made it and

754
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 9: and said, hey, would you like some demo time?

755
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:44,959
Speaker 12: Was it original stuff?

756
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 9: And I said covers, Well, we didn't have mostly covers

757
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 9: we'd written three songs. Uh. And then I said, do

758
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 9: you want some free studio time? I said sure, huh,

759
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 9: And they gave us like a day, so I thought.

760
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 9: And we were doing funny stuff in our Monday night live.

761
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 9: We did a discover at of Exodus exo disco we

762
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 9: called it. It was pretty funny and it's actually not bad.

763
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 9: I've heard it. Yeah. And the horn player on it

764
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 9: we got. We got pee Wee Yellis to play horns

765
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 9: on it. Really yeah, pee Wee.

766
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: He was good. He will do anything like after his

767
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 1: James Brownston.

768
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 9: He yeah, he can play though, man, pee Wee can

769
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 9: flat play, I know, man. Wow. And so we we

770
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 9: we cut this disco version of Exus for a laugh

771
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 9: and it was very funny. We had a nice day. Well,

772
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 9: now I get a call from Nick Low and saying, look,

773
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 9: I've just written this song and I think I think

774
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 9: I swiped it from you. I said, what do you mean?

775
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 9: He says, it's called what looks the best on you

776
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 9: is me? And I told him that joke, you know,

777
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 9: So I said no, no, I said, don't worry abot,

778
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 9: it's no. Seriously, I feel like I owe you something.

779
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 9: I said, No, I said to you what give me

780
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,479
Speaker 9: a ticket to London and back and I'll visit. He says, okay,

781
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 9: I'll do that. Sometimes calls me. He says, I got

782
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 9: an idea, come to London and play on my record

783
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 9: and Edmonds wants to cut bad as Bad one of

784
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 9: my songs, and we'll do both of those things and

785
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 9: we'll do them in loun I said great, so he

786
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 9: flew me to London. We went straight to the studio

787
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 9: those days and cut Bad as Bad with Dave Emons

788
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 9: and rock Pile, and then cut Born Fighter with Nick

789
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 9: Lowe played harmonica on that and we were done. And

790
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 9: it was like two or three in the afternoon. Now

791
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 9: come to the record company to hear the tracks. And

792
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 9: they come down. They come to the thing and they

793
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 9: listened to the couple songs. They go, oh, man, that

794
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 9: sounds great, and there was a lull in the moment.

795
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 9: I said, you guys want to hear something funny. They

796
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 9: said yeah, and I put on Exa Diisco. Well they

797
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 9: loved it and they said, man, that could be a hit.

798
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 9: I said whatever. They said, come see us tomorrow. We'll

799
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 9: make a deal. And they left. So I said to

800
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 9: Jake that they leave the room and I go, Jake,

801
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 9: what do I do? He says, you go in there, yes,

802
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 9: for thirteen points. You want three thousand pounds advance, and

803
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 9: there you go. And if they want anything to be

804
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 9: a remix or in that stuff, as long as they

805
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 9: pay for it, that's good. But make sure you get

806
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 9: the three thousand pounds and don't leave without the check.

807
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 9: And I said, So I went there and made a

808
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 9: singles deal, and I came home to San Francisco. I said, boys,

809
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 9: we got a singles deal. And then I cut with

810
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 9: the three thousand pounds. I've got the studio time. Actually,

811
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 9: it's a funny. It's a funny story because they wanted

812
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 9: more vocal on exodisco. It's all I'd said is come on, baby,

813
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 9: come on down that kind of thing, you know. So

814
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 9: they wanted me to a little more vocal on it.

815
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 9: I said, no problem, give me the three thousand. They

816
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 9: gave me the check.

817
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: You were your own manager and negotiated and everything.

818
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 9: So now I get back and I go to the studio.

819
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 9: I said, man, we got a deal for it. I

820
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 9: got to put some vocal, some more vocal on it.

821
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 9: We go to the multi track tape and it was

822
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 9: also had tones on that reel, and while they aligned

823
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 9: the machine, they erased thirty seconds of the master tape

824
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 9: that we had Recordedd go on, this is you know.

825
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 9: So I went, oh my god, what what I said?

826
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: That's a great engineer scream.

827
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 9: So now I told him. I said, look, I'm gonna

828
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 9: have to replicate this record. You got to give me

829
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 9: a week. They said, we'll give it whatever you want.

830
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 9: I said, well, give me five days. Okay, fine, you're

831
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 9: so good. So I took the exit disco funk around.

832
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 9: I took the two track that we had and I

833
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 9: put it on two of the twenty four track, and

834
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 9: I sang on another track, and I mixed it down

835
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,919
Speaker 9: to a two track and that took like four hours

836
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 9: and we were done, and then cut these three other

837
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 9: songs with the.

838
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 12: Hustle Hustle, This the Best.

839
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 1: Hustle One Congratulated sixteen, and those.

840
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,439
Speaker 9: Three tunes got us our manager and eventually our record.

841
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 7: You, Louis, I know there's a guy documenting your every life,

842
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 7: but do you have like a book deal where you

843
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 7: tell everybody how to make it in the music business.

844
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 1: Because I'm in the music business and I would totally

845
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: buy that ship. In the sand like, I mean ship,

846
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,919
Speaker 1: So I kind of want to skip over, not skip

847
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: over the eighties. No, no, no, no, dude, Like this

848
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 1: is the education first of all?

849
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 11: Can I assume that the baddest bad that you cover

850
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 11: Nicholas is also the badest bad?

851
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 5: Was Dave Edmonds born Nicholas.

852
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 9: Blue shuffle the way he did? But then it's God?

853
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 9: But then what we repraised it as the a cappella

854
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 9: thing on sports?

855
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 1: Okay, so still the same song, that same song, I

856
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: don't want to know.

857
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 9: But a completely different version.

858
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 11: Yeah, okay, okay, So what what I do want to

859
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 11: know is how was Bill Snee being a skilly dan

860
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 11: head that I am?

861
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 1: How is Bill Snee?

862
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 4: Uh?

863
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: How did he get involved with the very first Huey

864
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: Lewis record? His his engineering you.

865
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 9: Know your stuff? Well, see this is the thing your stuff?

866
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: I want to because the thing is is.

867
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 9: That well Shnave's done a lot of stuff, right.

868
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 11: Yeah, but most of them, Like he was the engineer

869
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 11: of the classic steely stuff, And really I feel like

870
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 11: his sound was the proprietor of I don't know if

871
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 11: you consider that the four letter word of the perfection

872
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 11: of yacht rock sounds.

873
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: That clean sine.

874
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 9: Yeah, I see that.

875
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: So what was it did you have reservations with? Like

876
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: what was your view?

877
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 11: Because the thing is, you expressed a lot of opinions,

878
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 11: especially on sports, were bad as bad and also the

879
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 11: heart of rock and roll about what I assume your

880
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 11: criticism of you know what, what is raw and true

881
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 11: to the music versus you know, the scene of whatever's

882
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,399
Speaker 11: commercial today. So I'm as I'm assuming that you're coming

883
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 11: from a purest standpoint to work with.

884
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 5: They sound like American psycho.

885
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: I know where you're going at, But I wasn't. Was

886
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: it the fact that I mean, what made Was he

887
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: chosen for you?

888
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 9: Or yeah? He was chosen for us because they even

889
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 9: though we'd had you know, we were more experienced than

890
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:16,439
Speaker 9: most new bands. I was twenty but I was twenty

891
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 9: nine years old at that point, which is and so

892
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 9: he was, you know, he worked with he did boss

893
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 9: boss silk degree, and he was low down and he's

894
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 9: a great's a famous engineer. He's a great engineer. And

895
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 9: so yeah, we worked with we worked together, and we

896
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 9: have this joke because we worked together a couple of

897
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 9: times over the year and we don't work together. Well,

898
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 9: I mean, how was the conflict idea what you're talking about?

899
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: Yes, what was the was their conflict in?

900
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 9: Musically? It never worked. I love Bill Shnee, He's a

901
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 9: good friend of mine, right, but it just we just

902
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 9: never I guess our tastes maybe didn't match or I

903
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 9: don't know why. And he's a brilliant engineer. It just

904
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 9: we just never could hit it. You know, we never

905
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 9: got anything we ever did together just didn't happen. So

906
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 9: second record, Now we get a secondment. And I told

907
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 9: the manager, my manager, I said, look, we can do

908
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 9: this ourselves. You know, by this point we'd had we

909
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 9: auditioned producers and you know, gone through a zillion of them.

910
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 5: And why weren't you using Nick Lowe as a producer.

911
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 9: Well, let's see, we were now here, but Nick, I

912
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 9: don't know, he hadn't.

913
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 5: Gone while you were on crystals at this point or

914
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 5: we're on chrystals okay, so and just a different label.

915
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 9: But at this point we felt like we could do

916
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 9: it ourselves. And our manager went to fight, went to

917
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 9: bat for us, and so then we started making our

918
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 9: own records.

919
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: I also want you to discuss uh Phil from Thin

920
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: Lizzie Phil Uh filling it? Yeah, and you played on

921
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: a records as well, Like what was the relationship there

922
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: and how well we When I.

923
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 9: Was in Clover, we toured with Thin Lizzie and Philip

924
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 9: was an unbelievable guy, an unbelievable performer first of all

925
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 9: hard rock band with soul, you know what I mean.

926
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 9: They were just great. And Brian Downey he's back up now,

927
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 9: but he could play and he can shuffle, you know,

928
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 9: which didn't used to happen in London in England. You know,

929
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 9: there were guys, there's certain beats that just the British just.

930
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 1: So British weren't too cool and you.

931
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 9: Know what I mean, it couldn't couldn't swing somehow. And

932
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 9: but but Brian Downey was great and thin as he

933
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 9: were unbelievable, and uh, Philip just kind of took me

934
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 9: under his wing man and said he I played on

935
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 9: a few of his things, and I lived with him

936
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 9: for a minute and he would dress me out of

937
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 9: his closet, you know, and uh, he was just a

938
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 9: He taught me more than anybody how to run a

939
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 9: band and how to you know, just all kinds of stuff.

940
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 9: I've learned everything everything nothing thiss sorry musically, but everything

941
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:02,240
Speaker 9: other than music.

942
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 11: Okay, so on your second album, based on where the

943
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 11: placement of do You Believe in Love is on that album,

944
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 11: which is like kind of the middle side too, can

945
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 11: I assume that was the last song recorded for the record?

946
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 9: Yeah, damn, I'm good. You are good and not according

947
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 9: to Yeah, because they, you know, we needed a hit

948
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 9: kind of thing and they thought this was a single.

949
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,919
Speaker 11: That said Okay, the thing is what makes that song

950
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 11: stand out so much to me. So how did you

951
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 11: guys as well? First of all, as a unit, how

952
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 11: long were you guys together in the gelling process and

953
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 11: the practice process and to get that good because you

954
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 11: guys play like you like each other.

955
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 9: Yeah, well we were, we were right now Yeah, what

956
00:48:58,760 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 9: are you saying?

957
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: Years for the roots to like each other? And wow

958
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: we love each other now because we're old ass men,

959
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 1: we all we got wow.

960
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 12: But ship just got real therapy.

961
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 9: I will say in it that.

962
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 11: Yes, the chemistry and the gelling of course comes together

963
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 11: on that record. But I based on the tightness of

964
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 11: the harmonies. That's where I feel like you guys really

965
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 11: shine where most groups don't, like you know, occasionally Eagles

966
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 11: with that level too.

967
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 9: Yeah, how we have the secret is good singers and

968
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 9: Johnny Cola are our saxophone and guitar is a great singer,

969
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 9: and and and also and a great arranger. And Bill

970
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 9: our drummer, sings, and Sean sings bass, and and and

971
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 9: we have a kind of an okay, blend. We're just

972
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 9: lucky that way. You know, you never know, you never

973
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 9: know about it's a little bit better. A blend is

974
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 9: a blend, you know what. It either works for a

975
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 9: dozen or it is what it is. But uh, but

976
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 9: that's what that is. And Johnny Colea gets most of

977
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,439
Speaker 9: the credit for that, for the vocals, arrangements and stuff. Okay,

978
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 9: he's great.

979
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 1: So how did you wrestle that song from Mutt without

980
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: him producing it?

981
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:15,919
Speaker 9: Well, how do we get the song?

982
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: Or did he demo it perfectly?

983
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 9: And you guys, and I rewrote it a little bit.

984
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,839
Speaker 9: It was he had it. We both believe in love,

985
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,399
Speaker 9: we both believe it's ours. You really give enough? Yeah,

986
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 9: you really make me see the stars. I went on, wait,

987
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 9: did you just ask him for a throwaway?

988
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: Like, do you have anything that you asked.

989
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 9: Him for a song? I said, but you got a song,

990
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 9: We got a record. You know, we need a song.

991
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 11: And this is post a c d C. Because yeah,

992
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 11: now oh so now he's on fire and yeah that

993
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 11: sort of thing. Well, yeah, I think it's post. Yeah

994
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 11: it has to be eight two. Okay, you're right. Well,

995
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 11: so how did you wrestle it from him? How'd I

996
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 11: wrestle it from him? No, he was he was happy.

997
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:05,839
Speaker 11: It was great.

998
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:06,879
Speaker 9: He just said it right away.

999
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:07,320
Speaker 1: Okay.

1000
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 9: He's a good friend, Mutt, and he's a brilliant you know,

1001
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 9: you know, I mean he's a CDC and foreigner and

1002
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 9: all the.

1003
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: So can you tell me? I mean, of course, I

1004
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 1: mean Beaver missed to not say that. We have to

1005
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 1: announce that.

1006
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 11: Of course, the rise of MTV was very instrumental in

1007
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 11: the millions of records you sold that you know, for

1008
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 11: the Sports album, your third album. But could you tell

1009
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 11: me what was the touring environment like before Sports as

1010
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 11: opposed to afterwards? As far as right, what was what

1011
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:46,919
Speaker 11: was what was rock?

1012
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 1: What was touring like for.

1013
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 11: Pre MTV kind of like what was were you guys

1014
00:51:55,800 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 11: Chitlin circuit? You know, you had one top ten hit? Like,

1015
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 11: what was the environment like that?

1016
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 4: Oh?

1017
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 9: We had we had one tour were called working for

1018
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 9: a Living tour where we had all of us on

1019
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 9: one bus, right, and the crew and the thing, and

1020
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 9: we went out for ten weeks. We held our record

1021
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 9: back because we were just finished with sports record and

1022
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 9: we basically just finished it, and then, uh, the record

1023
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 9: label we hadn't mixed it yet, and the record label

1024
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 9: went belly up Christmas and sold out to CBS. Christmas

1025
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:35,439
Speaker 9: sold out to down Christmas, went shut down their whole

1026
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 9: distribution and all their stuff and went with CBS Distribution.

1027
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 9: They fired about most of their employees and a lot

1028
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 9: of a lot of their independent stuff they got rid

1029
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 9: of and just became a label then, and CBS was

1030
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 9: going to distribute. Well, we weren't sure how that was

1031
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 9: going to work out. So manager decided we just hit

1032
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 9: the road and try and pay for ourselves. So we

1033
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 9: did a ten week working for a living tour. We

1034
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 9: did all the clubs and all the all that sort

1035
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 9: of stuff.

1036
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: You guys alone with other acts.

1037
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 9: But as soon as the record hit, well, you know,

1038
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 9: we got a tour. We toured with Well thirty eight Special,

1039
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 9: toured with Toto, a little bit turned with and you

1040
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 9: could feel the record happening, you know, are you could

1041
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 9: just feel people showing up for the record now.

1042
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: I mean there are different types of audiences for pop music,

1043
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: and you know, I mean, have you ever encountered or

1044
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: toured with an act whose fan base was different than

1045
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,720
Speaker 1: what you desired? I mean.

1046
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 9: Clover Clover reopened for Alice Cooper at the Nasau Coliseum.

1047
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 9: We got bombed Long Island, landing here and here and

1048
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:57,240
Speaker 9: boom and guys, damn sheep Gordon then protect you, guys.

1049
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: Say still there on the show.

1050
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 12: Not known for its security, the Clovers.

1051
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: I mean, the thing is is that.

1052
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 11: You know what what what audience do you feel is

1053
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 11: specifically your audience as opposed to like, was was there

1054
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 11: any worry, any worries about pairing with another acting?

1055
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 9: Yeah? Yeah, I mean we are first Huey Lewis and

1056
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 9: the News. First tour was with the Doobie Brothers because

1057
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 9: they were pals. Var makes sense and McPhee our Clover's

1058
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 9: old guitar player was now playing with the Doobies, so

1059
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 9: that we we got that tour. We had the same

1060
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 9: agency and all that. So we went out with Adobies

1061
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 9: for a national tour and we got basically booed off,

1062
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 9: not quite bowed up, because we knew enough to go

1063
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 9: from song to song before they could book. But if

1064
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 9: you if you you would, if you just wait, just

1065
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:03,919
Speaker 9: be quiet, it would go whit.

1066
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 11: I remember, where's your all, right, what's the worst. Let's

1067
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 11: stay in North America in your mind? What's your favorite

1068
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 11: territory where they're open mind? Like I got my spots,

1069
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 11: Like I know where they're open minded and where I

1070
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 11: can stretch with the stuff, and then I know where

1071
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 11: it's going to be a cell even twenty years in

1072
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 11: the game, where I got to hit them with the

1073
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 11: hits and get out. For you, what are you rolling

1074
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 11: your eyes at? Like, oh god, we got to go

1075
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 11: back to like what territories were not to LA's stuff.

1076
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 9: LA has always been tough for us, a San Francisco band,

1077
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 9: and we've always you know, well the and the I

1078
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 9: mean we'd go down there and you know, there was

1079
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 9: X and then there was the who are the other bands?

1080
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 9: There's zillion bands that rock acts and who all did great,

1081
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 9: But we never they never reckoned us down there. We

1082
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 9: could never never get over, never get until and then

1083
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 9: once I remember, we finally years later, we played we

1084
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 9: played three forms three LA forums and you know, and

1085
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 9: now we're back in l A again and we had

1086
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:17,439
Speaker 9: three forums. First night, everybody's there, you know, all the music,

1087
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:20,359
Speaker 9: all the total guys, all the all the musicians are there,

1088
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 9: snaves there, you know, all the all. I'm nervous, you know,

1089
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 9: you know, yeah, all that stuff. And then it sold

1090
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 9: out and all. So I remember thinking, be just don't

1091
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 9: press relax, Just don't press relax, you know. And it's like,

1092
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 9: I'm a kind of a veteran now. So I go

1093
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 9: out the first night and I play what I think

1094
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,240
Speaker 9: is a great show. We have a great show. Finally,

1095
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 9: I wasn't nervous. I feel great anytime I get I

1096
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 9: before that, when I would get a bad review, we

1097
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 9: actually got great reviews starting up. But whenever I get

1098
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:58,919
Speaker 9: a bad review, it was always from a bad show,

1099
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 9: and I could always think to myself, you know what,

1100
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 9: he's right, I could have been better. That's right, it's

1101
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 9: no problem. So this time LA for him. First night,

1102
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 9: I think it is a great show. We go back

1103
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 9: to the hotel, we go to bed. I wake up

1104
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 9: in the morning, I want to see the paper. Everybody

1105
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 9: in this room knows where this is going on. And

1106
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 9: my manager's having breakfast and he goes, hey, here, he says,

1107
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 9: everybody who had got a great review in the La

1108
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 9: Times come on down and eat breakfast. Not so fast,

1109
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 9: Robert Hilbert had just tore me up. You know, I thought,

1110
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 9: damn it, what's that about. Well, here's here's you guys

1111
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 9: will appreciate this, I think, I hope. But so I

1112
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 9: struggled with that because I know we were good that

1113
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 9: night and I wasn't nervous, and I knew we were good,

1114
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 9: and it just bothered me for years. Now I'm recording

1115
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 9: another record at Lucas Uh Lucas's studio, Skywalker Ranch and

1116
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 9: George Lucas and they just opened it. This is amazing studio,

1117
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 9: and George is giving me a personal tour and we

1118
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 9: go around. He shows me everything. It's really great, and

1119
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 9: he says, now, at first the house and they have

1120
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 9: this unbelievable where they give you lunch and all. Now

1121
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 9: the ranch and all that. He says, Now, let's go look,

1122
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 9: let's go. Let me show you the studio. I said great.

1123
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 9: He says, Linda's in there now, Linda Ronstad. That's when

1124
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 9: he was dating. She was dating George. I said, oh great, great.

1125
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 9: We go in the studio and there's Linda and then

1126
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 9: she goes, oh man, Hi, Huey got I love your stuff.

1127
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 9: Both She's just funny. Should be here because Brian Wilson's

1128
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 9: showing up in a minute to do some vocals. I said,

1129
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 9: you're kidding me. No, I said, wow, do you mind

1130
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 9: if I just hang out? She just no, no problem. Great,

1131
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 9: So I finished, I said, I'm hanging around. But it's

1132
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 9: like lunch. They're taking a break. Boom, here's Brian. I said, well,

1133
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 9: I do myself, Mike, Brian, this is Huey. Lucy goes,

1134
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 9: oh man, you know there's funny ways. Yeah, I know

1135
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 9: who you are. I know you are just I saw

1136
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 9: your show. I've seen the show. He's just my top

1137
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 9: ten might have been top three, top three shows I've

1138
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 9: ever seen ever ever, top three, top three shows. I said, whoa,

1139
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 9: thank you really great? You mind if I share that

1140
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 9: with my guys? Yeah, no, no problem. I said, wow,

1141
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 9: that's going to make our whole day. I said, where

1142
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 9: was it? He said, l A four? I said, I said,

1143
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 9: I said, which night? Which night? He says, first night.

1144
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 9: I said, Brian Wilson, wilcuse me wrong, ran true story.

1145
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 12: The look and discussed there's three quarters.

1146
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 11: No, well that's funny he mentioned Wilson because I didn't

1147
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 11: want to go superquest lovel hyper bowl when.

1148
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 9: I hyper bowl.

1149
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: Yes I am hyper bowl. That's my favorite sport.

1150
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 12: Hyper Bowl, no happen.

1151
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:00,040
Speaker 1: I didn't want to go full.

1152
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 11: Quest love hyperbole when I wanted to compare their harmony

1153
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:05,439
Speaker 11: game close to that of Beach Boys.

1154
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 1: But that's how tight.

1155
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 12: You gave it an email and they were a big

1156
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 12: influence on and you can clearly that ship.

1157
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 9: You can hear it.

1158
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 1: That's why you know.

1159
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 9: I agree.

1160
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 11: Okay, I won't embarrass myself, but sorry about Robert Man.

1161
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 11: But I mean, uh, now that you say it, yeah,

1162
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 11: l A is not being kind to a lot of greats.

1163
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 11: There's the infamous uh Prince Rolling Rolling Stone uh show

1164
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:35,479
Speaker 11: where he got mercilessly boot. I mean, there's plenty of others.

1165
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 11: So that's weird that you say that l A is.

1166
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 11: I can I can imagine. I can imagine that.

1167
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 1: I think for you, it's probably easy to do a

1168
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 1: spot outside of LA where there's not the pressure here

1169
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 1: is watching you.

1170
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 9: Tulsa, Oklahoma, these are good towns for us. It's it's

1171
01:00:56,520 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 9: it's I don't want to.

1172
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 12: Lewis Camp.

1173
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 1: Make it pounds LSD.

1174
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 12: You can't stop outing with you. What the fuck is happening?

1175
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 9: Like mind meld, we're getting the contact.

1176
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean it's magic.

1177
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 9: No, I mean it's it's it's like a sports sports towns,

1178
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 9: the great sports town also great rock and roll towns,

1179
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 9: and the towns were you know, I mean, l A

1180
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 9: is the worst baseball town in the world. To this place.

1181
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 9: We had heard for years the Cleveland was was the

1182
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 9: was the best rock and roll town in America. And

1183
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 9: I thought, really, Cleveland, how can Cleveland be? I had

1184
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 9: no clol So we played the Agora there and had

1185
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 9: this amazing gig. And afterwards we're driving out of town

1186
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 9: in the bus and it and it's a gray, kind

1187
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 9: of a dismal day and the skyline of Cleveland is

1188
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 9: its not every day, pretty rough looking. And I said,

1189
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 9: I said to the guys that we'd had this. I went, wow, guys,

1190
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 9: you know what the harder rock and roll really is

1191
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 9: in Cleveland. I said, Oh my god, that's a song,

1192
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 9: the harder rock and rolls in Cleveland. And my that's

1193
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 9: the genesis of it, John, the harder rock and rolls

1194
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 9: in Cleveland. Oh my god, I'll work on it. I'll

1195
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 9: work on it and so but.

1196
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 10: That was the inspry.

1197
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 8: Because I've been saying the harder rock and roll is

1198
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 8: the beat still beating.

1199
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 7: That initially that I just thought it was the beat

1200
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 7: still beating, like still beaten, still beating.

1201
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 9: The old boy might be barely breathing. Okay, Harder rock

1202
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 9: and roll would still be, thank you. And really what

1203
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 9: it's about is about you know, the rock and roll

1204
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 9: business is in l A and New York, but you

1205
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 9: find good bands everywhere, and good music is everywhere, and

1206
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 9: that's what that's That was how vindicated?

1207
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 11: How vindicated did you feel when they announced in eighty

1208
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 11: seven that the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame was

1209
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 11: going to be well still be because we were all

1210
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 11: like what And then once they gave their reasons, I

1211
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 11: was like, okay, okay, So were you at all shocked

1212
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 11: at the.

1213
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 1: Reception of sports at all?

1214
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 9: Well? Yeah, I mean, you know the thing is when

1215
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 9: I listened to sports right as I realized then we

1216
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 9: were making on records and this is eighty We made

1217
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 9: the record in eighty two, released.

1218
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 5: In eighty three, So I'm sorry what studio.

1219
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 9: We cut mostly at the record plant and at Fantasy

1220
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 9: Records and a place called Studio D in Saucelito did

1221
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 9: some overdubs Era and Bob Cleer Mountain mixed it here

1222
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 9: at the power station right here in New York. But

1223
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 9: if you think about it, eighty three radio was king.

1224
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 9: MTV had just started. There was a big beef about

1225
01:03:57,040 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 9: how MTV wasn't playing any diverse artists and that stuff.

1226
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 9: But what they were doing is they were following radio

1227
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 9: and Records's playlist exactly. That's why some of the tunes

1228
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 9: which your hits had those horrible videos that they kept

1229
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 9: showing over and over again, and then we have those.

1230
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 9: But it was a radio world and there was no internet.

1231
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 9: There was no you know, no no pop radio, no,

1232
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 9: no computers, no, none of that stuff. So you we

1233
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 9: had and by then CHR radio was the only format.

1234
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 9: You know. Radio Top forty started with a guy in

1235
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 9: Fresno with the advent of push button radio. A program

1236
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 9: in Fesno figured out that if with push button radios,

1237
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 9: if people heard something they didn't like, they'd switch the channel.

1238
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 9: So the idea was narrow your playlist. Top forty, play

1239
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 9: the hits over and over again so they never leave.

1240
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 9: And then FM came as an alternative to that. With

1241
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 9: all the.

1242
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 1: Album cuts.

1243
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:59,440
Speaker 9: But within eight years it was programmed and CHR was

1244
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 9: the format contemporary hit radio on f radio, and so

1245
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 9: we all competed for that format, which was a hit single.

1246
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 9: And if you did not have a hit single, you

1247
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 9: didn't exist. So our job making our record was to

1248
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 9: have a hit. And so we well, that's it. We

1249
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 9: aimed everything we are looking at, but we aimed every

1250
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 9: song at radio and different. One was kind of a rocker,

1251
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 9: one was kind of not a rocker. One was kind

1252
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 9: of a little more R and B. But we knew

1253
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 9: we needed a hit. We didn't know we were gonna

1254
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 9: have six album, but we knew we needed one. And beginning,

1255
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 9: what did you aim for, Like, let's just have three

1256
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:37,919
Speaker 9: top ten hits in a single a hit. I tried

1257
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 9: to make everything I hit and and now that I

1258
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 9: listened back to sports, it is an album of its time.

1259
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 9: It's a collection of singles album. The greatest one song

1260
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 9: doesn't have anything to do with the other song. I

1261
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 9: mean finally found a Home and bad as bad these

1262
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 9: are these are like different genres of music entirely in

1263
01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 9: a way. Our subsequent albums hold together much better as albums, and.

1264
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 12: You didn't clearly didn't think about that as you were

1265
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 12: making this. It was just like it was just a hit.

1266
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 12: It was just make a hit.

1267
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 9: It wasn't like make.

1268
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 11: And make and hit hey as a song. I'll go

1269
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 11: one above MTV and ask you, did you ever fathom

1270
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 11: in your life that one day your song, uh, specifically

1271
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 11: the harder rock and roll would ever be utilized in

1272
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 11: a soul trained dance line?

1273
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 1: Are you where the fact that you guys have rotation

1274
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 1: on Soul Trained for one year?

1275
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:43,959
Speaker 9: We would?

1276
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 1: So here's the deal.

1277
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 9: So Cornelius had had taste, here's the.

1278
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 1: So good confirmed the deal was in eighty four.

1279
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 11: Okay, So Black People's relationship with MTV's is rather strange

1280
01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 11: because of course, you know, Rick Rick James had legitimate

1281
01:06:59,880 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 11: be like, well, I've sold out stadiums.

1282
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I'm not on TV. So the thing

1283
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 1: is to watch Michael Jackson videos. Especially that most cable

1284
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 1: networks weren't in the actual inner city. They were more

1285
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 1: of a suburbia thing. So we would have to plan weekends.

1286
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 1: So I would spend like a weekend a youth bill.

1287
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 8: I just remembered, like going to my aunt's house in

1288
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 8: Kentucky and she had MTV.

1289
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:28,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the thing.

1290
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:32,440
Speaker 11: Most of my weekends in nineteen eighty three eighty four, Yo,

1291
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 11: can I spend the night Aunts Sheer and Uncle Junie's house.

1292
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 1: So I would go to the suburbs, the Philly out

1293
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:39,800
Speaker 1: in Yayden, back when Jayden was a.

1294
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:44,520
Speaker 11: Suburb, and I would sit in front of MTV seventeen

1295
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 11: hours now, yes, to wait for those five rotations of

1296
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:50,360
Speaker 11: beat It to come on and Billy Jean.

1297
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 1: However, all that other stuff's coming to me too. You

1298
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 1: guys are coming to each.

1299
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 9: I remember the Pat bennettar one where the Nazis are doing.

1300
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 1: This, yes, yes, yeah, Hells for Children.

1301
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 11: It's literally like all this Thomas Dobie and Nina ninety

1302
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 11: nine lef yes, everything, everything that defines MTV. I'm I'm

1303
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 11: absorbing just so I can wait for the Michael Jackson videos.

1304
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:21,280
Speaker 11: But I'm you know, after nine nine rotations of this

1305
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 11: now I'm fans of them too.

1306
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 4: And just think a moment a mirror. I just want

1307
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:27,600
Speaker 4: to think the whole audience is went. That's why I

1308
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:28,639
Speaker 4: know all this ship.

1309
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 11: We were waiting for beat It to come on every

1310
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:34,760
Speaker 11: hour and a half. Because so the thing is is

1311
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 11: that in eighty four, I think Don Cornelius saw the

1312
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 11: paradigm shift. So the first sign of it was during

1313
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 11: the during the Tina Marie episode of eighty four, he showed.

1314
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 1: Everyone remembers where they were.

1315
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 11: It was like that time that no, no, no, well

1316
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:00,880
Speaker 11: I'm saying they showed the rap around your finger thing,

1317
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:02,800
Speaker 11: and that was weird to say. And now from the

1318
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 11: video world, one of the rock greats, the police are

1319
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 11: wrapped around your finger.

1320
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:09,360
Speaker 1: We're like, we look at each other like huh. White

1321
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 1: people assault like this.

1322
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 11: So during the run DMC episode of Soul Training, white

1323
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 11: people were never on jazz band, well, no they were,

1324
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 11: I mean, Bowie down.

1325
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:25,160
Speaker 12: John breathing breathing black people. I get it.

1326
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 11: So the point is that during the run dem Se

1327
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 11: dazz Band episode, they showed the Hard Rock.

1328
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 12: And Roll Video Award.

1329
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 11: No it was I mean then it was like, you know,

1330
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:41,680
Speaker 11: I realized that Don realized he had to play the

1331
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:44,679
Speaker 11: game of the day, and the thing was you had

1332
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 11: to amalgamate.

1333
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:49,280
Speaker 1: Modern pop inside your format.

1334
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:51,800
Speaker 11: I mean, some things were weird, like I think once

1335
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 11: he tried to make uh Genesis illegal alien work. But

1336
01:09:56,640 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 11: the songs like one hundred and fifty DPMs. It's too

1337
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:02,880
Speaker 11: song to dance, it's too fast to dance to.

1338
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:04,760
Speaker 12: You can't do the whole line thing with that ship.

1339
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 11: So no harder rock and roll got three for you

1340
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:12,880
Speaker 11: guys to be placed on the souldiering dance line, which

1341
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:17,519
Speaker 11: is like, no, that's prime real estate spot.

1342
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 1: That is some major ship.

1343
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:21,760
Speaker 10: You know about the dance line? Did you watch Train?

1344
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:23,639
Speaker 10: I said, do you know about the dance line?

1345
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 9: Yeah?

1346
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 12: So you know that's like soul Train a cultural final

1347
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:27,560
Speaker 12: about it.

1348
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:30,160
Speaker 9: I know I never saw a harder rock and roll

1349
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:30,759
Speaker 9: on Soultree.

1350
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:31,640
Speaker 4: It is.

1351
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 1: It's a it's a thing, trust me, it's a major thing.

1352
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 1: It's crazy. Can you describe the night of USA for Africa?

1353
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 12: Jesus?

1354
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 1: Was it just a routine stop for you? Was it not?

1355
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:51,200
Speaker 9: It was unbelievable. I mean, you mean we are the

1356
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:56,759
Speaker 9: world right, yes, I mean you know you can imagine.

1357
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:00,640
Speaker 9: Just you don't get to meet all those people in

1358
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:05,080
Speaker 9: a lifetime or a career. And I mean, and Ray

1359
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:08,679
Speaker 9: Charles was there. I couldn't. I couldn't. I couldn't even

1360
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 9: introduce myself to Ray Charles. I just I just hung

1361
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 9: back and watched him a lot of time. I totally

1362
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:19,720
Speaker 9: understand it was I was just I'm just totally in

1363
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 9: all of Ray Charles. And then did you bomb with

1364
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:26,679
Speaker 9: anyone there? Like, yeah, Paul Simon was was crazy? Okay, Paul?

1365
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:30,880
Speaker 8: Was there anybody you were nervous to be besides Ray Charles?

1366
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:31,439
Speaker 12: Everybody?

1367
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:34,160
Speaker 9: Well, Bruce, we hung out with Bruce told jokes for

1368
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:36,760
Speaker 9: a long time. It was they let nobody in there

1369
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 9: but the artists for a long time and it was

1370
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:39,519
Speaker 9: really amazing.

1371
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:41,400
Speaker 1: So all your people at to stay in the green

1372
01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:42,160
Speaker 1: room or a green.

1373
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 9: Room there with a thing and they were just it

1374
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:46,840
Speaker 9: was just us and man, it was. It was an

1375
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:47,559
Speaker 9: amazing evening.

1376
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:51,439
Speaker 11: How long did general background vocals take to do for

1377
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 11: that session, the whole because I know that you're one

1378
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:56,800
Speaker 11: of the leads, but all the background not long. How

1379
01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 11: long did it take the record in general?

1380
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 9: Well, we started after to the American Music Awards, so

1381
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:07,240
Speaker 9: that was probably eleven, well early in LA so six

1382
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:10,639
Speaker 9: to nine, so we're there at ten o'clock, I bet,

1383
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:14,760
Speaker 9: and we went all night and then the Dylan's thing

1384
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:18,240
Speaker 9: that he sang was in the morning was like six

1385
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 9: seven in the morning.

1386
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 1: We can tell it looks it looks it he looks

1387
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:23,640
Speaker 1: six am oh my goodness, so.

1388
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:26,800
Speaker 12: He looks like six am six.

1389
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:30,320
Speaker 1: So okay, here's the thing.

1390
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 9: I mean, background balls have probably done ten I bet

1391
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:37,400
Speaker 9: they were done by midnight or twelve thirty. We all

1392
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:39,719
Speaker 9: sang the same part, right, he did all the parts,

1393
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:42,120
Speaker 9: and then we all sang the same part unison, and

1394
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 9: then they put him together.

1395
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:49,640
Speaker 11: So I would almost say that your A game has

1396
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 11: to be on point because I would assume that it

1397
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:57,519
Speaker 11: could be very intimidating to sing in front of all

1398
01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 11: these people. So the ways we're like, look, okay, you

1399
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 11: got me singing right after Michael Jackson. Can I just

1400
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:06,600
Speaker 11: punch in, like punch it.

1401
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 9: In or like it's funny, because I you know, I'm nervous.

1402
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:14,120
Speaker 9: My legs my leg was shaken like this. I couldn't

1403
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:16,799
Speaker 9: I couldn't stop my leg from shaking. I was so nervous.

1404
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:21,280
Speaker 9: And of course we start and Hamburdo Gatica was the

1405
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:25,840
Speaker 9: was the engineer, and so they start boom, and they

1406
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:28,200
Speaker 9: wanted to go one full pass all the way around

1407
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:31,599
Speaker 9: because they had to bleed the microphones one down, one

1408
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:34,080
Speaker 9: up and like that, and with the ambience and everything,

1409
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 9: so they didn't want to punch and all that they

1410
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 9: want to get one full performance. So they started with

1411
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 9: Lionel and then Stevie Wonder and Stevie's messed this thing

1412
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:47,519
Speaker 9: up kind of almost on purpose, just being cute and funny.

1413
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,120
Speaker 9: So they stopped the tape and then they go back

1414
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 9: and they started again, and they get about halfway and

1415
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 9: Algerol messes up. They stop and they go back and

1416
01:13:58,080 --> 01:13:59,639
Speaker 9: now he comes out to a just bike. I said,

1417
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:02,479
Speaker 9: can you run the whole piece so we can have

1418
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:06,559
Speaker 9: a shot at her bed. You know, I just Quincy

1419
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 9: just sang me the line. No, he had Michael sing

1420
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 9: me the line. Quincy says, sing it for me. I

1421
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:14,599
Speaker 9: sang it. He says, great, go again, So I want

1422
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 9: to try it right and and he keeps stopping, and

1423
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 9: he keeps stubbing, but finding we went all the way

1424
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 9: through and uh then we finished and and now Quincy says,

1425
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 9: it's good. But I'll tell you, let's do one more

1426
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:30,800
Speaker 9: anding Hue, why don't you sing a harmony with with

1427
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 9: uh Cindy? Oh, he comes in.

1428
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:34,920
Speaker 1: I was staying together.

1429
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 9: Okay, okay, well that's a creative choice. Single harmony was

1430
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 9: one am I gonna and I got look I'm looking

1431
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 9: at Stevie wonder right, and you know what, forget about it.

1432
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:49,200
Speaker 9: I'm gonna make up this thing. And you know, so,

1433
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 9: you know, it worked out. I don't even know what

1434
01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:51,720
Speaker 9: I did.

1435
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 1: I was so that vocal was a concurrent, no point.

1436
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:56,479
Speaker 9: All the way through. And when we cut it, you know,

1437
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 9: Michael was right next to me and and he was

1438
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 9: h he didn't miss a trick, man. I mean, he,

1439
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 9: in his kind of little spacey way, did not miss

1440
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:10,240
Speaker 9: a trick. He knew exactly what was going on. And

1441
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:12,640
Speaker 9: so when I asked Humberto, I said, can you let

1442
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 9: it run it through this weekend? Run our lines? You went, good, idea,

1443
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 9: that's good. So now now running head and finally we

1444
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:22,760
Speaker 9: do this one pass that's really good. And now he

1445
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 9: goes and humber and Quincy goes, all right, good, let's

1446
01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:28,680
Speaker 9: do one more. And we go back to one more

1447
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:32,920
Speaker 9: and he goes and Michael urgently grabs the shirts. They're

1448
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:34,720
Speaker 9: going to save that, aren't they. I said, yeah, they're

1449
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:36,840
Speaker 9: going to save that one. He goes, that was one.

1450
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 9: I said, I know it. It was the one.

1451
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:44,760
Speaker 1: Look, yeah, I got anxiety just listening to the I need.

1452
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:48,920
Speaker 9: Yeah, Michael did not miss a trick man was on it.

1453
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:51,280
Speaker 12: How did you get how were you picked as one

1454
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:52,280
Speaker 12: of the solo people?

1455
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 9: Got? No years, no, no, yeah. Other than that the group,

1456
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:06,120
Speaker 9: I got princes line welcome, Oh.

1457
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:15,360
Speaker 1: Siren, I did a siren. Wait you now, I gotta

1458
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:21,840
Speaker 1: imagine Prince singing right before Michael, that little dirty Michael

1459
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 1: tried to set Prince up like I'm gonna go first

1460
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:27,800
Speaker 1: and then you you followed me up.

1461
01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:32,519
Speaker 9: Wow. Yeah. Remember Prince didn't show on the whole deal.

1462
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:34,679
Speaker 8: I think he was just too nervous to be around

1463
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:36,800
Speaker 8: all those people. And plus he's the type of person

1464
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:38,439
Speaker 8: that has to have a complete control over everything when

1465
01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 8: he records.

1466
01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 1: So he wasn't about to give.

1467
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:42,200
Speaker 10: Michael had way too much.

1468
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:45,200
Speaker 9: But so last minute I didn't know. I thought it

1469
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 9: was done and I'm over there, Well we finished the vote. Great,

1470
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:52,439
Speaker 9: come guy. Some guy gives says, Quincy wants to see it,

1471
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:54,880
Speaker 9: and I can walk back into the studio. He goes

1472
01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:59,719
Speaker 9: smelly singing the line he called Michael, just singing the line.

1473
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:01,959
Speaker 9: Michael sings a line.

1474
01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:02,640
Speaker 1: I sing it.

1475
01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:05,160
Speaker 9: He goes, good, you got it, And it was Prince's

1476
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:05,760
Speaker 9: line that I got.

1477
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:09,479
Speaker 7: But also that line is fairly high in your range.

1478
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 7: If I'm not mistaken. Were you afraid of that line

1479
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 7: or were you just you felt it?

1480
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 9: What's that now?

1481
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:14,759
Speaker 12: Were you afraid of the line because it's it's higher

1482
01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:15,559
Speaker 12: in your range?

1483
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 9: I think, Yeah, he sang it. I sang it back.

1484
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:23,280
Speaker 9: That's awesome, you know. I was so I mean, that

1485
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 9: is kind of like a fog for me. I was

1486
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:28,519
Speaker 9: so nervous. You can imagine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean

1487
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 9: there's your Bruce Springsteen, Bob Dylan raising under ray, Charles

1488
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:36,439
Speaker 9: Danroyd forget about it.

1489
01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:41,760
Speaker 11: Yeah yeahh wait was this Stephen Bishop there too? No,

1490
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:45,280
Speaker 11: it was someone somebody like really odd was just like

1491
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:47,560
Speaker 11: Dan Akroyd. He was the odd one out because it

1492
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:49,040
Speaker 11: was USA for Africa and he's Canadian.

1493
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:53,880
Speaker 9: Whalen Jennings Wal Jennings. He did not have a good time,

1494
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:57,439
Speaker 9: really he was. He was upset. He was upset, and

1495
01:17:57,479 --> 01:17:59,519
Speaker 9: he walked in the middle of the deal. He split.

1496
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:00,799
Speaker 1: Oh wow, serious.

1497
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:05,479
Speaker 9: Well, Stevie at some point wanted to the background vocals

1498
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:06,400
Speaker 9: to be in Swahili.

1499
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, hearing about that.

1500
01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:12,559
Speaker 9: So we he got we sent out for two African

1501
01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:16,320
Speaker 9: gals who knew could speak Swahil. You could translate the

1502
01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:19,200
Speaker 9: background votes. And when they came into the studio and

1503
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:21,400
Speaker 9: they and we're all standing around, they stand there, Okay,

1504
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:24,320
Speaker 9: now what is this? Say this in swa anyway.

1505
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 12: Something like that.

1506
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:32,639
Speaker 9: At this point, At this point, Ray Ray Charles goes,

1507
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:40,840
Speaker 9: raise over here, Wrigles rang the bell, Quincy, is that

1508
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:41,400
Speaker 9: any good?

1509
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 2: Good?

1510
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:47,360
Speaker 9: You know there was a break.

1511
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 12: That's awesome.

1512
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:50,599
Speaker 9: There was a break. There was a break in the action.

1513
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:55,240
Speaker 9: And now we're taking a break. And I'm just shadowing,

1514
01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:57,840
Speaker 9: Ray Charles. This is what I did, though, I just

1515
01:18:57,920 --> 01:18:59,200
Speaker 9: staying three feet away from.

1516
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:00,759
Speaker 10: Just checking them out, talking.

1517
01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:04,200
Speaker 1: Shadowing.

1518
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:09,280
Speaker 9: But he now sits down at the piano and starts

1519
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:12,720
Speaker 9: playing this kind of blues thing and he goes a

1520
01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:15,840
Speaker 9: cute remember this one. And he's playing like that, and

1521
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:19,120
Speaker 9: Quincy looks at me and he goes, you know, Alana,

1522
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:22,320
Speaker 9: Richie wasn't even born when we cut that song. Really,

1523
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:28,640
Speaker 9: you know they did in Seattle. Pretty cool. Now I'm

1524
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:32,519
Speaker 9: now I'm talking to Willie Nelson over there, and he's going,

1525
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:35,639
Speaker 9: he's going, hey, I hear you play golf. I said, yeah,

1526
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:38,000
Speaker 9: I just started. It's fun to do on the road.

1527
01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 9: He goes, yeah, that's what we do. I said, I

1528
01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 9: just you put your clubs on the bus. I said, yeah,

1529
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 9: we put our clubs on the bus and we played.

1530
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:45,920
Speaker 9: He said, yeah, that's what we're doing too. And we're

1531
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:48,760
Speaker 9: talking and Bob Dylan comes over, walks over and he goes,

1532
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:54,080
Speaker 9: are you guys talking about golf? He said yeah. He goes, wow,

1533
01:19:54,680 --> 01:20:01,759
Speaker 9: that's outrageous. I said no, Bob, phil Skyline was outraged.

1534
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:04,639
Speaker 9: This is just golf.

1535
01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:09,360
Speaker 11: Is this officially the first time that you're meeting your

1536
01:20:09,439 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 11: peers or so? Was there any bonding in your career

1537
01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:17,040
Speaker 11: to that point with notable celebs like you.

1538
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:21,519
Speaker 1: Weren't BFFs with the guys from Toto or Low.

1539
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:25,080
Speaker 9: I mean, you know, but Dylan wrote me a really

1540
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:27,200
Speaker 9: nice note man at the end of the deal, wrote me,

1541
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:30,160
Speaker 9: sent me and he sent me a song. Really, he

1542
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:33,200
Speaker 9: sent me a song that I didn't cut, which is

1543
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:39,720
Speaker 9: a complete mistake. Bob Dylan sends you a song, you do.

1544
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 4: It.

1545
01:20:42,439 --> 01:20:44,320
Speaker 5: Did somebody else end up cutting it?

1546
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:44,479
Speaker 13: No?

1547
01:20:44,600 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 9: I never heard it. I never heard it. So but

1548
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 9: he also sent me a Junior Parker song. He was great.

1549
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:56,280
Speaker 9: He WoT me a really nice note. He's smart, you know, Bob,

1550
01:20:56,439 --> 01:20:57,559
Speaker 9: Bob Dylan is smart.

1551
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 1: So okay, I have a question now having joined uh

1552
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:08,880
Speaker 1: Columbia House, I always always say that. Also my education

1553
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 1: comes from the fact that I never sent the records

1554
01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:13,400
Speaker 1: back when I got them at Columbia House. So it's like,

1555
01:21:14,120 --> 01:21:21,000
Speaker 1: you know, if you don't want something, you have thirty days,

1556
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:23,400
Speaker 1: you have thirty days if just never pay for them,

1557
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 1: that's what the that's what oh that of the scam. No,

1558
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:27,760
Speaker 1: I didn't have hustle in me.

1559
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:32,880
Speaker 11: So that said, and having having all all of your

1560
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:40,040
Speaker 11: your your your records, I'm now noticing that with the

1561
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:45,559
Speaker 11: massive amount of units sold for sports, usually people figure out, Okay,

1562
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:48,479
Speaker 11: I'm gonna do the departure record like the opposite of it.

1563
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:51,799
Speaker 1: Which I'm gonna say for small world. But you guys

1564
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:57,200
Speaker 1: actually decided to keep up the stamina with four So

1565
01:21:57,360 --> 01:21:58,439
Speaker 1: how hard was it to.

1566
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:02,840
Speaker 11: Live up to that pressure? Like, Okay, now we're in

1567
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:05,240
Speaker 11: the machine, like I feel like breaking in his heart,

1568
01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:06,840
Speaker 11: but staying there is even harder.

1569
01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:10,640
Speaker 9: Very very perceptive, man, you're very perceptive.

1570
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:15,679
Speaker 5: Really, I actually told him to Steve that might be true.

1571
01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:17,320
Speaker 9: No, it isn't it.

1572
01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:31,880
Speaker 1: No, No, because it's rare. It's I can name few instances.

1573
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:35,800
Speaker 11: I mean, someone Richie tried to follow with with with

1574
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:39,320
Speaker 11: we cancelo down and dancing on the ceiling with thriller

1575
01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:44,479
Speaker 11: and bad Sports for anyone else does the departure record next?

1576
01:22:45,160 --> 01:22:48,800
Speaker 11: So what what was your mind state of Okay, we

1577
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:50,559
Speaker 11: gotta come back the same or.

1578
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:55,120
Speaker 9: Well this is because this is economics here, because in

1579
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:59,760
Speaker 9: back in those days, you know, it wasn't it was

1580
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:02,240
Speaker 9: wasn't Internet and all that stuff. So if you sold

1581
01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:05,360
Speaker 9: a big if you had a big record, your next

1582
01:23:05,439 --> 01:23:09,400
Speaker 9: record was gonna ship you know, a million units right

1583
01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:12,360
Speaker 9: out of the box. So the idea was, hit them

1584
01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:14,720
Speaker 9: while they're hot, make your next record as soon as

1585
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:17,840
Speaker 9: you can, and no matter what. And that's and that's

1586
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:19,880
Speaker 9: how you make it. But you know, so we sold

1587
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:23,320
Speaker 9: you know, ten million copies of Sports, Well four was

1588
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:26,120
Speaker 9: already going to go four million, no matter what it

1589
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:29,320
Speaker 9: was like. So that was the problem, you know, because

1590
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:31,360
Speaker 9: we we had to and they were on est for

1591
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:34,000
Speaker 9: deadline one of them, and you know, you got to

1592
01:23:34,040 --> 01:23:37,040
Speaker 9: write the songs. It's hard to write, and so that

1593
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:40,000
Speaker 9: was a tough record to make for us. We were struggling,

1594
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:43,400
Speaker 9: and we wound up over here and in the power station,

1595
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:48,200
Speaker 9: fishing off under deadlines with two studios going and singing

1596
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:51,000
Speaker 9: in one and playing guitar and the other and mixing

1597
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:53,679
Speaker 9: in a third. And it wasn't it wasn't a fun

1598
01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:56,519
Speaker 9: record to make, because you're right, we did it really

1599
01:23:56,920 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 9: to just capitalize on our success, you know.

1600
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:04,240
Speaker 1: But I think there's an art to not overthinking it.

1601
01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:06,559
Speaker 1: And that's why.

1602
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:10,000
Speaker 11: Now the thing is, do you with with the with

1603
01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:14,479
Speaker 11: the words that Brett Ellis wrote for American Psycho, did

1604
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:17,120
Speaker 11: you feel as though they were being sarcastic or do

1605
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:22,639
Speaker 11: you feel I feel as though he wrote that in truth?

1606
01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:25,120
Speaker 11: As far as for being your most accomplished records in

1607
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:25,720
Speaker 11: the in the.

1608
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:29,240
Speaker 9: I thought he did it was amazing. I read I

1609
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:31,880
Speaker 9: heard about it. I read the book and he had

1610
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:35,040
Speaker 9: these little dissertations not only on us but Phil Collins

1611
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:37,640
Speaker 9: and Tina and he nailed it. I thought. I mean,

1612
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:41,479
Speaker 9: he was clearly a fan and he was he understo

1613
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 9: you know. I mean, I thought he did a pretty

1614
01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:46,120
Speaker 9: critical job. And then they asked this for the film.

1615
01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:50,920
Speaker 9: Would would he would we could use the tune? And

1616
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:52,880
Speaker 9: I knew the book, I knew the story and all that.

1617
01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:55,439
Speaker 9: I said, Sure, what's William Dafoe right?

1618
01:24:55,560 --> 01:24:55,720
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1619
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:58,559
Speaker 9: I love William Dafoe and it's an art Christian smale,

1620
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:00,760
Speaker 9: and so I said, no problem, you got it, and

1621
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:03,200
Speaker 9: they paid us and they got the song. Then what

1622
01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:07,960
Speaker 9: happened was maybe a month before the song, before the

1623
01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:11,519
Speaker 9: movie was released, they said to the Knoe manager said,

1624
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:14,160
Speaker 9: they want to do a soundtrack and he said, well, great,

1625
01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:15,960
Speaker 9: what that's gonna what's that gonna look like? And it

1626
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:19,880
Speaker 9: was it was hip to be square. I think there

1627
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:22,400
Speaker 9: was a Phil Collins tune and the rest was like

1628
01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:25,360
Speaker 9: source music. It was like a kind of a crappy record.

1629
01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:28,120
Speaker 9: You know. It wasn't gonna be a great album, the album,

1630
01:25:28,240 --> 01:25:29,720
Speaker 9: and so my manager just to.

1631
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:32,720
Speaker 1: Buy your record too. Huh, It's probably best to just

1632
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:33,599
Speaker 1: buy your album.

1633
01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:35,920
Speaker 9: So my manager said to me, he says, what do

1634
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:38,200
Speaker 9: you think about this? They want to do a soundtrack album.

1635
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:40,640
Speaker 9: I said, well, that's not going to be fair to

1636
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:42,519
Speaker 9: our fans. I mean, fans are going to buy that

1637
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:45,880
Speaker 9: for what? For one song? I mean, that's just do

1638
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:47,880
Speaker 9: we have to do this? He says, no, no, well

1639
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:49,680
Speaker 9: it's not a part of the deal. They just they

1640
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:53,160
Speaker 9: just mentioned it. I said, yeah, let's politely decline, which

1641
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:53,479
Speaker 9: he did.

1642
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:54,040
Speaker 8: So.

1643
01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 9: Now on the eve of the release of the movie,

1644
01:25:57,400 --> 01:26:01,920
Speaker 9: literally they send out a press release that says that

1645
01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:06,599
Speaker 9: Huey Lewis has pulled his tune from the soundtrack because

1646
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:10,519
Speaker 9: the movie is too violent, trying to gin up attention

1647
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:14,000
Speaker 9: for the movie. Really, and I thought, come on, fellas,

1648
01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:19,479
Speaker 9: please not cool, you know, not cool? Show this check.

1649
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:24,160
Speaker 8: Well, let's go back to Back to the Future, which,

1650
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:26,000
Speaker 8: by the way, can I say that I did not

1651
01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:27,840
Speaker 8: realize that you had a cameo in that movie until

1652
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:28,559
Speaker 8: like a week ago.

1653
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:31,040
Speaker 9: You know know, he was the guys.

1654
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:32,160
Speaker 8: I did not realize that was you.

1655
01:26:32,479 --> 01:26:35,280
Speaker 9: Yeah, that was the idea. Really, it just kind of

1656
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:38,120
Speaker 9: disguised me and it was the Mecca's Well it worked.

1657
01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:40,599
Speaker 9: It took thirty years for me to realize it worked.

1658
01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:44,000
Speaker 8: This guy was pretty good, so well, I just wasn't

1659
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:44,600
Speaker 8: expecting it to.

1660
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:45,040
Speaker 9: Be you, you know.

1661
01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:51,240
Speaker 11: Yeah, with how you treated music videos and your your

1662
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:55,040
Speaker 11: Hollywood looks, you could have been the clooney of videos.

1663
01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:59,960
Speaker 11: Well the wa why did you not explore acting further?

1664
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:02,960
Speaker 11: They're in or were you loyal to the guys? And

1665
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:04,800
Speaker 11: I don't want to leave them out there? And yeah,

1666
01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:06,600
Speaker 11: we were doing what we wanted to do. We were

1667
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:11,519
Speaker 11: writing our songs and selling out venues everywhere. Everything was great,

1668
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:15,000
Speaker 11: you know. And the video thing is funny because we actually.

1669
01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:17,719
Speaker 9: Did our own We did it. There was an outfit

1670
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:22,560
Speaker 9: called Video West in San Francisco. First video camera, ever, videotape.

1671
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:26,320
Speaker 9: This is brand new. This was seventy eight, brand new.

1672
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:30,519
Speaker 9: And so she said, we'll video a couple of year songs.

1673
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:33,320
Speaker 9: Are a song if we can show it on our

1674
01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:36,599
Speaker 9: Video West program. That and a cable cable was all

1675
01:27:36,640 --> 01:27:40,040
Speaker 9: this stuff was new. I said, sure, so we and

1676
01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:42,759
Speaker 9: you can have the video. So we we shut the video.

1677
01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:45,680
Speaker 9: They showed it, and the video helped us get a

1678
01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:47,720
Speaker 9: record deal. And when we got the record deal, we

1679
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:50,360
Speaker 9: had Do You Believe in Love was our second single.

1680
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:54,599
Speaker 9: And now the record label decided the first single off

1681
01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:58,200
Speaker 9: the off that record of second album that we and

1682
01:27:58,280 --> 01:27:59,880
Speaker 9: we by this point we were making our own rep.

1683
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:03,479
Speaker 9: We're producing on records. We produced our second record picture

1684
01:28:03,560 --> 01:28:07,360
Speaker 9: this ourselves and so but they decided that we needed

1685
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:10,679
Speaker 9: a professional video and so they hired an ad agency

1686
01:28:10,760 --> 01:28:13,439
Speaker 9: guy to do the do You Believe in Love? Video?

1687
01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:16,760
Speaker 9: And the set was all in pastels and Matt we

1688
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:19,640
Speaker 9: had kind of pastel shirts that they were kind of

1689
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:22,720
Speaker 9: matching with makeup, you know, and little rouge on our

1690
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:25,040
Speaker 9: cheeks and stuff. This is the video where the five

1691
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:26,720
Speaker 9: of us are in bed with the girl and all

1692
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:29,320
Speaker 9: this stuff. And so they shot this video all day

1693
01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:32,120
Speaker 9: and night. And now we go home. And now two

1694
01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:34,360
Speaker 9: weeks later we go back for the playback, and we

1695
01:28:34,479 --> 01:28:38,040
Speaker 9: go back in and at Christmas Records, and a bunch

1696
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:40,280
Speaker 9: of people from the record company, a bunch of people

1697
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:43,479
Speaker 9: from the video company, my band, a bunch of our guys.

1698
01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:45,760
Speaker 9: There were probably thirty people in the room. And so

1699
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:47,840
Speaker 9: they say, okay, here's the new video, and they share

1700
01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:51,560
Speaker 9: off lights and they play the video and I just

1701
01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:54,479
Speaker 9: sank my heart, just said I was so terrible. I

1702
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:57,519
Speaker 9: believe it was just horrible. I just thought there was

1703
01:28:57,600 --> 01:29:00,880
Speaker 9: no direction. The guy wasn't singing to the case lose,

1704
01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:03,400
Speaker 9: He's singing to what's going on here. The whole thing

1705
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:06,080
Speaker 9: was a mess, I thought. And we looked silly with

1706
01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:09,240
Speaker 9: a rouge on her cheeks and all that stuff. I said,

1707
01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:11,720
Speaker 9: this is horrible, almost a billy squire out And I

1708
01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:15,360
Speaker 9: remember thinking, oh, this is this is terrible. This is horrible.

1709
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:19,200
Speaker 9: And the video ends and everybody stands up and applaud.

1710
01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:22,080
Speaker 9: It's kind of standing on this. So I thought to myself.

1711
01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:25,840
Speaker 9: Anybody can do this. We're doing our own records, we

1712
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:27,560
Speaker 9: need to do our own videos. So from then on

1713
01:29:28,120 --> 01:29:32,000
Speaker 9: we did our own videos. And the idea was, don't

1714
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:35,280
Speaker 9: ape the song, don't have anything to do with the song.

1715
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:39,040
Speaker 9: If the song ziggs, make the video zag, don't tell,

1716
01:29:39,160 --> 01:29:42,240
Speaker 9: don't retell the story, and just goof. And we did

1717
01:29:42,320 --> 01:29:46,040
Speaker 9: him in San Francisco on different sides of Portreal Hill,

1718
01:29:46,120 --> 01:29:49,679
Speaker 9: almost just to let the let the seagulls and the ocean,

1719
01:29:49,880 --> 01:29:53,240
Speaker 9: let that be the be the production stuff. Let chew

1720
01:29:53,320 --> 01:29:56,040
Speaker 9: the scenery, and that was the theory. And we did

1721
01:29:56,080 --> 01:29:58,160
Speaker 9: a bunch of them that way. We did one New Drug.

1722
01:29:58,240 --> 01:30:02,200
Speaker 9: If this is it, h stuck with you? That is bad.

1723
01:30:02,840 --> 01:30:06,120
Speaker 9: All these were done in the same manner, in the

1724
01:30:06,160 --> 01:30:06,639
Speaker 9: same place.

1725
01:30:06,760 --> 01:30:08,639
Speaker 11: I got to interrupt you because I just thought about

1726
01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:12,400
Speaker 11: something I can't I can't count the amount of times

1727
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:16,160
Speaker 11: I filled the kitchen sink with water.

1728
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:25,560
Speaker 1: One of the opening scenes about want a New Drug, is,

1729
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:27,479
Speaker 1: you know, filling up the.

1730
01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:28,240
Speaker 9: Sink with.

1731
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:30,920
Speaker 1: Water and ice water.

1732
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:35,799
Speaker 9: I swipe that right. I starn't wear Paul Newman Harper.

1733
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:39,559
Speaker 9: The opening scene of Harper and Paul Newman, he wakes

1734
01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:42,280
Speaker 9: up hungover. It's ice in the sink, but it's his

1735
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:42,920
Speaker 9: head of the ice.

1736
01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:44,960
Speaker 1: I never was.

1737
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:50,280
Speaker 9: Unbelievably cold.

1738
01:30:51,439 --> 01:30:54,120
Speaker 1: This is what people want to trust me.

1739
01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:55,960
Speaker 9: It was unbelievably cold.

1740
01:30:57,120 --> 01:30:57,840
Speaker 8: It really was.

1741
01:30:58,160 --> 01:30:59,320
Speaker 9: It was cold.

1742
01:30:59,840 --> 01:31:03,200
Speaker 11: He I really wish I knew you back early in

1743
01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:05,920
Speaker 11: my career, because this is the second thing that I

1744
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:09,679
Speaker 11: never thought about until right now, that sometimes you should

1745
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:11,679
Speaker 11: just make a video for a song that has nothing

1746
01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:11,920
Speaker 11: to do.

1747
01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:14,519
Speaker 1: I never thought of that. Whatsoever.

1748
01:31:15,880 --> 01:31:17,519
Speaker 9: We want to stay out of the way of the song.

1749
01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:20,760
Speaker 9: I was always were I always thought, you know, why

1750
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:23,840
Speaker 9: do we have to retell this story? Songs tell a story?

1751
01:31:24,240 --> 01:31:26,280
Speaker 9: And I always say, munch in the way. A good

1752
01:31:26,360 --> 01:31:28,800
Speaker 9: book is better than the movie. A good song is

1753
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:31,000
Speaker 9: always better than the video for the same reason.

1754
01:31:31,200 --> 01:31:33,559
Speaker 1: Damn, I never thought of that, And it's now way

1755
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:36,400
Speaker 1: too late. So I can I why er Smith dar videos?

1756
01:31:36,439 --> 01:31:38,519
Speaker 1: We just never appear in our videos now.

1757
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:39,880
Speaker 5: So can I follow up?

1758
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:40,160
Speaker 1: Yes?

1759
01:31:40,840 --> 01:31:46,360
Speaker 12: So Nick, love with that back to the future.

1760
01:31:46,439 --> 01:31:50,960
Speaker 5: So with with with with that theory of yours with

1761
01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:55,000
Speaker 5: the videos, and now you're supplying songs to a movie.

1762
01:31:56,200 --> 01:31:59,760
Speaker 5: Did you use that same theory like power of love

1763
01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:02,200
Speaker 5: is not necessarily telling the same story exactly?

1764
01:32:02,280 --> 01:32:07,759
Speaker 9: Yeah, real Steve. What happened was Steve Spielberg, Bob Zamechas

1765
01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:10,160
Speaker 9: and Bob Gail asked to take a meeting with us

1766
01:32:10,720 --> 01:32:13,240
Speaker 9: at Amblin at Amblin in La and we went there

1767
01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:15,920
Speaker 9: and took a meeting and Zameca said, look, we've just

1768
01:32:16,240 --> 01:32:21,320
Speaker 9: written this film called Back to the Future, and our hero,

1769
01:32:21,680 --> 01:32:25,240
Speaker 9: our lead character, guy called Marty McFly, and his favorite

1770
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:29,080
Speaker 9: band would be Huey lewis in the news. So we thought,

1771
01:32:29,560 --> 01:32:31,639
Speaker 9: how would you like to write a song for the film.

1772
01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:35,200
Speaker 9: And I said, wow, I'm flattered. I don't know how

1773
01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:38,240
Speaker 9: what writing for film means. I said, you know, I've

1774
01:32:38,240 --> 01:32:41,040
Speaker 9: never written for film. Don't have any idea. I said, besides,

1775
01:32:41,439 --> 01:32:43,559
Speaker 9: I'm not too keen on writing a song called back

1776
01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:46,120
Speaker 9: to the Future. And they said, oh, we don't care

1777
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:48,479
Speaker 9: what you call it, do We just want one of

1778
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:50,920
Speaker 9: your songs. So I said, okay, I'll send you the

1779
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:53,920
Speaker 9: next thing we write, wow, which was power Love.

1780
01:32:54,280 --> 01:32:55,840
Speaker 8: It was literally the next thing he wrote after that

1781
01:32:55,880 --> 01:32:56,280
Speaker 8: phone call.

1782
01:32:56,720 --> 01:32:58,000
Speaker 9: That was the next thing we wrote, wow.

1783
01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:01,519
Speaker 5: Really, But then Back in Time was written specifically.

1784
01:33:01,080 --> 01:33:04,640
Speaker 9: They wanted another song for the credits, and by then

1785
01:33:04,680 --> 01:33:07,400
Speaker 9: I'd seen the film. I hadn't seen it, and so

1786
01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:09,880
Speaker 9: I wrote that as you know, specifically for that.

1787
01:33:10,200 --> 01:33:14,040
Speaker 5: All right, so my my overriding question with regards to

1788
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:23,240
Speaker 5: those songs, No, I mean, so we we understand that

1789
01:33:23,479 --> 01:33:27,400
Speaker 5: that they they You got the cameo in the movie

1790
01:33:27,479 --> 01:33:32,040
Speaker 5: based on your probably your video acting and your Hollywood

1791
01:33:32,080 --> 01:33:36,120
Speaker 5: good looks. As Questla pointed out, he is an attractive

1792
01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:40,599
Speaker 5: dude man, and and you can correct me if I'm wrong,

1793
01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:43,560
Speaker 5: but probably got the gig for the songs because you

1794
01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:46,960
Speaker 5: were like the biggest band happening at that moment. And

1795
01:33:47,320 --> 01:33:49,599
Speaker 5: and yes, I guess Martin McFly would be a fan.

1796
01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:53,000
Speaker 5: But but there's something else going on. There's something that

1797
01:33:53,080 --> 01:33:56,920
Speaker 5: makes you like super perfect and those songs, like it

1798
01:33:56,960 --> 01:34:00,519
Speaker 5: seems like it's meshing in a way that's more than

1799
01:34:00,640 --> 01:34:04,080
Speaker 5: just a regular match. Like it seems like like interesting,

1800
01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:07,960
Speaker 5: that's very interesting for the film. But you didn't just

1801
01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:11,479
Speaker 5: like the combination of you and Michael J. Fox and

1802
01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:14,599
Speaker 5: whatever they did in that movie just seems like it's perfect.

1803
01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:16,599
Speaker 9: You know, I have a theory about that, and I'm

1804
01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:21,160
Speaker 9: not I'm not. Uh, it's interesting in that, you know.

1805
01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:25,600
Speaker 9: And Zamechas always said that he always credited you know,

1806
01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:29,240
Speaker 9: Power Love. The song was released before the film, and

1807
01:34:29,360 --> 01:34:31,559
Speaker 9: they released a song and it went to number one.

1808
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:34,160
Speaker 9: It takes like nine weeks or something to get to

1809
01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:37,120
Speaker 9: number one. And then and so that they released the

1810
01:34:37,200 --> 01:34:41,280
Speaker 9: movie when Power Love was number one, and Zamechas already

1811
01:34:42,280 --> 01:34:44,160
Speaker 9: to this day we have a reunion sort of every

1812
01:34:44,200 --> 01:34:46,599
Speaker 9: five years, and he says it was the best marketing

1813
01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:49,360
Speaker 9: come out ever. You know, you got a number one song.

1814
01:34:49,400 --> 01:34:52,280
Speaker 9: But and and the interesting part about it is for

1815
01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:55,439
Speaker 9: me is that the fact that it had when I

1816
01:34:55,680 --> 01:34:57,599
Speaker 9: when I wrote the song, when we wrote the song,

1817
01:34:57,720 --> 01:35:01,040
Speaker 9: and and and I sent it to Zamecchas, I didn't

1818
01:35:01,040 --> 01:35:02,640
Speaker 9: think it was gonna work for them because there was

1819
01:35:03,000 --> 01:35:05,800
Speaker 9: no love object in the film by that point. I'd

1820
01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:07,560
Speaker 9: read the script. At least I hadn't seen it, but

1821
01:35:07,600 --> 01:35:09,519
Speaker 9: I read the script and there was no I didn't

1822
01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:11,720
Speaker 9: think it was gonna work, but they used it in

1823
01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:16,160
Speaker 9: the chase scene. And I think, and I've I've I've

1824
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:20,400
Speaker 9: thought about this subsequently. When when a song is is

1825
01:35:20,520 --> 01:35:24,559
Speaker 9: not when you don't retell the story, it's it's it's

1826
01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:28,719
Speaker 9: its own story, and it only it only is relevant

1827
01:35:28,960 --> 01:35:33,400
Speaker 9: tangentially to the thing, Yet it it becomes another leg

1828
01:35:34,160 --> 01:35:36,479
Speaker 9: for that whole thing to stand on. In other words,

1829
01:35:36,800 --> 01:35:39,840
Speaker 9: it's better to have a song that stands on its own.

1830
01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:44,760
Speaker 9: That's not exactly about the film. It's better for the

1831
01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:47,800
Speaker 9: film because it gives us you get a good, strong

1832
01:35:47,960 --> 01:35:50,320
Speaker 9: song out of it. So many times we write songs

1833
01:35:50,520 --> 01:35:52,880
Speaker 9: just for the film and they're not that's all they do.

1834
01:35:53,120 --> 01:35:55,639
Speaker 12: The knowledge he's dropping, it's like it makes no sense,

1835
01:35:55,680 --> 01:35:56,559
Speaker 12: but all the sense.

1836
01:35:56,400 --> 01:35:58,040
Speaker 8: It makes perfect. It makes perfect sense to me.

1837
01:35:58,760 --> 01:36:01,559
Speaker 1: I've learned three I've learned more like from this episode

1838
01:36:01,560 --> 01:36:04,640
Speaker 1: of question like supreme, like when not have any other

1839
01:36:04,800 --> 01:36:06,160
Speaker 1: one hundred place what.

1840
01:36:06,240 --> 01:36:06,720
Speaker 9: He just said.

1841
01:36:07,080 --> 01:36:09,120
Speaker 8: It almost it seems so obvious that you just kind

1842
01:36:09,160 --> 01:36:10,920
Speaker 8: of like want to ignore it because it just seems

1843
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:12,160
Speaker 8: obvious that it can't be right.

1844
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:16,280
Speaker 9: But you've proven that it's yeah, because it's another's contrast,

1845
01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:19,080
Speaker 9: it's another leg of that. If you know what I mean.

1846
01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:20,400
Speaker 8: There's it makes perfect sense.

1847
01:36:20,520 --> 01:36:21,840
Speaker 7: So if someone asked you to write a song for

1848
01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:23,000
Speaker 7: a film, Now, what would you.

1849
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:26,599
Speaker 9: Do if I had to write a song for a film? Now, well,

1850
01:36:26,680 --> 01:36:28,920
Speaker 9: I probably do the same thing just writing a song.

1851
01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:31,240
Speaker 9: I mean, we have we have a musical that we're

1852
01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:33,920
Speaker 9: trying to get to Broadway. We just put it up

1853
01:36:33,960 --> 01:36:37,080
Speaker 9: in San Diego and I wrote a new song for that,

1854
01:36:37,800 --> 01:36:42,679
Speaker 9: and it was really kind of fun because it's really

1855
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:46,680
Speaker 9: fun to write for other situations than your own right

1856
01:36:47,560 --> 01:36:53,519
Speaker 9: another voice. It's it's really creative and easy as opposed

1857
01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:55,320
Speaker 9: to writing for something that you want to say.

1858
01:36:55,640 --> 01:36:58,040
Speaker 7: But speaking of musicals, how do you feel watching people

1859
01:36:59,400 --> 01:37:01,880
Speaker 7: taking yourself songs that they are more or less the

1860
01:37:01,880 --> 01:37:05,400
Speaker 7: same songs but in a totally different genre and watching

1861
01:37:05,560 --> 01:37:08,040
Speaker 7: like this, what has to make you feel as a songwriter?

1862
01:37:09,280 --> 01:37:10,519
Speaker 9: Very interesting? Good question.

1863
01:37:10,720 --> 01:37:11,360
Speaker 12: I I.

1864
01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:16,040
Speaker 9: That's why I that's why I engaged in this music musical.

1865
01:37:16,040 --> 01:37:19,120
Speaker 9: I had a friend of mine, long story, they they

1866
01:37:19,840 --> 01:37:22,680
Speaker 9: they wrote the script and uh and we got it

1867
01:37:22,840 --> 01:37:25,559
Speaker 9: all up and then and I'm just I was worried

1868
01:37:25,600 --> 01:37:27,680
Speaker 9: about how the songs were going to be handled, and

1869
01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:31,240
Speaker 9: so you know, I was very careful about that because

1870
01:37:32,280 --> 01:37:34,400
Speaker 9: but our our musical director is a guy called Brian

1871
01:37:34,520 --> 01:37:37,080
Speaker 9: Yusifer who worked on Kicky Boots and a bunch of

1872
01:37:37,080 --> 01:37:41,280
Speaker 9: other stuff. Well, he's absolutely brilliant. He again went against

1873
01:37:41,880 --> 01:37:45,920
Speaker 9: type with a song with a song was like like, uh,

1874
01:37:46,520 --> 01:37:49,840
Speaker 9: you know, uh uh, well hit me like a hammer,

1875
01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:53,320
Speaker 9: which is a male. He had a girls girls, girls

1876
01:37:53,400 --> 01:37:57,320
Speaker 9: singing and all this, So how they're handled is super important,

1877
01:37:57,560 --> 01:38:00,439
Speaker 9: right and uh, and you gotta be careful that because

1878
01:38:01,000 --> 01:38:02,559
Speaker 9: it can be a little silly sometimes.

1879
01:38:02,600 --> 01:38:05,840
Speaker 12: Sure, so do you okay, do you worry about do

1880
01:38:05,880 --> 01:38:06,439
Speaker 12: you worry about that?

1881
01:38:06,439 --> 01:38:08,639
Speaker 7: Because I'm coming from I just got back from London

1882
01:38:08,720 --> 01:38:10,720
Speaker 7: two days ago, but working on a jukebox musical of

1883
01:38:10,800 --> 01:38:15,240
Speaker 7: similar ilk And you worry about songs that were totally

1884
01:38:15,320 --> 01:38:19,040
Speaker 7: masculine based, are totally male based, switching them over or

1885
01:38:19,320 --> 01:38:21,160
Speaker 7: a song that was a fast I think that's a

1886
01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:24,240
Speaker 7: good idea to be honest, right, is to totally avoid

1887
01:38:24,600 --> 01:38:25,160
Speaker 7: them or whatever?

1888
01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:29,120
Speaker 9: When when the when the original zagged? Seriously, I think.

1889
01:38:28,960 --> 01:38:31,600
Speaker 7: Here's what I learned from Hugh Lewis, zig fuck it

1890
01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:35,439
Speaker 7: goes zag. That's a lesson number. Okay, keep going, sorry

1891
01:38:35,520 --> 01:38:36,880
Speaker 7: that your name on the show you.

1892
01:38:37,160 --> 01:38:39,920
Speaker 9: Talk infiltrate then double gross.

1893
01:38:43,360 --> 01:38:44,679
Speaker 1: That mic dropping.

1894
01:38:46,200 --> 01:38:51,080
Speaker 11: Okay, So I know how how attached you were h

1895
01:38:51,640 --> 01:38:55,240
Speaker 11: to based on your press the Small World album?

1896
01:38:55,800 --> 01:39:00,400
Speaker 9: Right, did you feel by the way Rolling Stones worst

1897
01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:04,720
Speaker 9: album of the year, Small World, worst album of the year.

1898
01:39:05,560 --> 01:39:08,840
Speaker 5: I read that Rolling Stone, How does that sound?

1899
01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:17,000
Speaker 11: Did you did you feel as though it was like,

1900
01:39:17,160 --> 01:39:22,080
Speaker 11: is there a fear of riding too high, and you wonder, okay,

1901
01:39:22,600 --> 01:39:23,400
Speaker 11: is this overkill?

1902
01:39:23,800 --> 01:39:24,600
Speaker 1: Is this overkill?

1903
01:39:25,000 --> 01:39:25,759
Speaker 9: Is this overkill?

1904
01:39:25,880 --> 01:39:25,920
Speaker 13: No?

1905
01:39:26,040 --> 01:39:29,560
Speaker 9: No, you know, honestly, four you called you got me

1906
01:39:29,640 --> 01:39:32,800
Speaker 9: on four. You know, four was an economic thing. We

1907
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:36,519
Speaker 9: just rushed it out and tried to get capitalized on

1908
01:39:36,640 --> 01:39:38,720
Speaker 9: our momentum. But the win is a win. They're still

1909
01:39:38,800 --> 01:39:43,679
Speaker 9: hit there at least, But because we had a couple

1910
01:39:43,800 --> 01:39:47,400
Speaker 9: we had left art. But after that we honestly and

1911
01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:50,960
Speaker 9: even that even four, to a certain extent, since that time,

1912
01:39:51,200 --> 01:39:56,720
Speaker 9: I have never done anything for commercial reasons period. That's

1913
01:39:56,840 --> 01:39:59,600
Speaker 9: a deal I made with myself. I said, look, you

1914
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:03,479
Speaker 9: you know, you gotta stay pure to your just do

1915
01:40:03,640 --> 01:40:05,920
Speaker 9: stuff that matters to you and that and then you

1916
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:09,080
Speaker 9: can't go wrong just you know, integrity. And so that's

1917
01:40:09,120 --> 01:40:11,799
Speaker 9: what Small World was. We were trying to do expand

1918
01:40:12,040 --> 01:40:15,160
Speaker 9: and do some other stuff. And you know the best

1919
01:40:15,200 --> 01:40:17,639
Speaker 9: part of that one is Stan gets his song. Yeah,

1920
01:40:17,720 --> 01:40:19,840
Speaker 9: I mean, he just killed that thing. And that's a

1921
01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:22,679
Speaker 9: kind of a funny story because my dad was a jazzer,

1922
01:40:22,800 --> 01:40:27,600
Speaker 9: you know, and so u Zoot Sims died and and

1923
01:40:27,760 --> 01:40:31,040
Speaker 9: so they had a tribute to him at at Kimball's.

1924
01:40:31,040 --> 01:40:35,680
Speaker 9: I think or somewhere in San Francisco, right, And it

1925
01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:38,000
Speaker 9: wasn't Kimballs. It was the old Jazz Cup. I can't

1926
01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:42,799
Speaker 9: remember it, but now those three sixty five yeah maybe maybe. Anyway,

1927
01:40:42,960 --> 01:40:46,320
Speaker 9: my old man loved all that stuff. So I secretly

1928
01:40:46,439 --> 01:40:49,560
Speaker 9: I got tickets for him, and I said, Pops, I

1929
01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:52,559
Speaker 9: got two tickets for the for the Zoot Sims benefit

1930
01:40:52,680 --> 01:40:56,000
Speaker 9: and Stan Gatz and and uh all they had all

1931
01:40:56,080 --> 01:41:01,400
Speaker 9: these guys. So now Jimmy Jones what So now we

1932
01:41:01,560 --> 01:41:04,400
Speaker 9: go and we and they showed me too, and I

1933
01:41:04,479 --> 01:41:05,880
Speaker 9: go in and go, oh my god, here we look.

1934
01:41:06,080 --> 01:41:08,600
Speaker 9: And my dad, you know, he didn't know anything from me.

1935
01:41:09,360 --> 01:41:15,960
Speaker 9: He hard hardcore jazzer. You know, he thought what I

1936
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:17,320
Speaker 9: do is comic book stuff.

1937
01:41:17,400 --> 01:41:19,880
Speaker 1: He loved the house, though, didn't he.

1938
01:41:21,439 --> 01:41:24,040
Speaker 9: In the car at first he paid no attention. So

1939
01:41:24,200 --> 01:41:27,000
Speaker 9: now we go and we get the two seats, and

1940
01:41:27,120 --> 01:41:28,720
Speaker 9: they put us down there right on the aisle. And

1941
01:41:28,720 --> 01:41:31,680
Speaker 9: who's sitting right next but next next to where I'm

1942
01:41:31,680 --> 01:41:34,920
Speaker 9: sitting is Phil Elwood, the critic from the from the

1943
01:41:35,080 --> 01:41:39,120
Speaker 9: San Francisco Examiner, who's a jazz critic. And my old

1944
01:41:39,160 --> 01:41:41,439
Speaker 9: man knows all kinds of it. I mean, he knows

1945
01:41:41,800 --> 01:41:44,599
Speaker 9: he can tell you Jimmy Lunsford's band. He knows every

1946
01:41:44,800 --> 01:41:48,080
Speaker 9: musician in Chick Webb's band. I mean, my old man

1947
01:41:48,200 --> 01:41:50,720
Speaker 9: knows jazz, you know, and he loves it. And so

1948
01:41:51,640 --> 01:41:54,519
Speaker 9: he sees Phil Elwood, and Phil Elwood goes, oh my god,

1949
01:41:54,640 --> 01:41:57,479
Speaker 9: Huey lewis right me. And my old man goes, oh

1950
01:41:57,560 --> 01:42:00,280
Speaker 9: my god, that's Phil Elwood. And he's recogniz I said,

1951
01:42:00,439 --> 01:42:03,360
Speaker 9: he knows who my kid is. So now he and

1952
01:42:03,720 --> 01:42:06,560
Speaker 9: Phil Elwood are talking and they're going about this and

1953
01:42:06,760 --> 01:42:09,200
Speaker 9: Jimmy Lunsford and this that and and then I feel

1954
01:42:09,200 --> 01:42:11,720
Speaker 9: the tap of my shoulder and I turn around and

1955
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:16,479
Speaker 9: it's gets and he's wearing his horn and he's tapped.

1956
01:42:16,960 --> 01:42:19,840
Speaker 9: It's the Houses, which kind of early. He's wearing his horn,

1957
01:42:20,160 --> 01:42:22,840
Speaker 9: and he taps me on the shoulder and he and

1958
01:42:23,040 --> 01:42:26,360
Speaker 9: I go. I look up. He goes, hey, Yoie lewis

1959
01:42:27,360 --> 01:42:31,120
Speaker 9: stan getz. He says, my girlfriend wants to eat your shorts.

1960
01:42:37,439 --> 01:42:39,639
Speaker 9: What do you say to that? Right? So I say, well,

1961
01:42:39,800 --> 01:42:43,200
Speaker 9: he says he, why don't you let me play on

1962
01:42:43,280 --> 01:42:46,719
Speaker 9: some of your ship? You know what? I can play

1963
01:42:46,760 --> 01:42:52,000
Speaker 9: that ship too. Oh my gosh, sure of course. Yeah.

1964
01:42:52,479 --> 01:42:55,000
Speaker 9: Do you have a yeah, let me give you my card,

1965
01:42:55,080 --> 01:42:57,760
Speaker 9: he wrote on he wrote stan Getz wrote his phone

1966
01:42:57,840 --> 01:43:01,560
Speaker 9: number and but have sacks will traveler and gave me

1967
01:43:01,640 --> 01:43:04,800
Speaker 9: the card. But on the ride home, my ole man

1968
01:43:04,920 --> 01:43:07,760
Speaker 9: says to me, you know he's got cancer and he's

1969
01:43:07,800 --> 01:43:09,760
Speaker 9: not going to be around very long and if you

1970
01:43:09,880 --> 01:43:12,479
Speaker 9: don't take him up on that, I will never ever

1971
01:43:12,640 --> 01:43:16,280
Speaker 9: forgive you. I away to.

1972
01:43:17,920 --> 01:43:19,160
Speaker 1: The record man.

1973
01:43:20,120 --> 01:43:21,400
Speaker 9: That ship.

1974
01:43:23,280 --> 01:43:25,000
Speaker 7: Was What kind of dad are you at this point?

1975
01:43:25,080 --> 01:43:27,680
Speaker 7: With your dad giving so much ship happening like your

1976
01:43:27,760 --> 01:43:29,640
Speaker 7: dad has been like go to Europe and fun off.

1977
01:43:29,880 --> 01:43:33,080
Speaker 7: You don't forget to get stan Getz on your record,

1978
01:43:33,080 --> 01:43:38,080
Speaker 7: because that's a real statement that people say, my kids,

1979
01:43:39,160 --> 01:43:40,519
Speaker 7: can we get them on the next question?

1980
01:43:42,360 --> 01:43:44,559
Speaker 1: Girl and a boy.

1981
01:43:46,400 --> 01:43:49,000
Speaker 7: My son, Well, Stan gets in my head. Stan Getz

1982
01:43:49,040 --> 01:43:51,000
Speaker 7: is the most laid back cat ever because all his

1983
01:43:51,120 --> 01:43:53,720
Speaker 7: playing is like that, Like if Stan gets on a.

1984
01:43:53,760 --> 01:43:56,400
Speaker 12: Huey Lewis record, you'd be like rocking. You get to

1985
01:43:56,479 --> 01:44:00,840
Speaker 12: the sax solo and it be like that's fine.

1986
01:44:01,840 --> 01:44:03,920
Speaker 9: Power horns on this record as well. We had to

1987
01:44:04,240 --> 01:44:08,479
Speaker 9: stand yet, we had to find out. We had to

1988
01:44:08,560 --> 01:44:12,320
Speaker 9: find a song. And Chris Hayes, our guitar player, wrote

1989
01:44:12,360 --> 01:44:14,400
Speaker 9: this little jam and I thought this would be great.

1990
01:44:14,880 --> 01:44:17,240
Speaker 9: And first, so we we did a demo of it,

1991
01:44:17,800 --> 01:44:19,920
Speaker 9: and I talked it at first. I went all around

1992
01:44:19,960 --> 01:44:22,800
Speaker 9: the world, there are people like you and me, from

1993
01:44:22,840 --> 01:44:25,360
Speaker 9: the poorest beggar in the street to the richest king

1994
01:44:25,439 --> 01:44:29,560
Speaker 9: and queen. Well the boom things whiling, and I was

1995
01:44:29,640 --> 01:44:32,080
Speaker 9: just kind of talking against it, which is kind of cool,

1996
01:44:32,160 --> 01:44:35,200
Speaker 9: I thought. And then and then and that's all we had,

1997
01:44:35,400 --> 01:44:38,479
Speaker 9: and we and I sent it to Gets and he said, great,

1998
01:44:38,479 --> 01:44:40,439
Speaker 9: I'll do it. So we made an appointment to do it.

1999
01:44:40,960 --> 01:44:43,400
Speaker 9: And then meanwhile we put tower power on it, and

2000
01:44:43,439 --> 01:44:45,240
Speaker 9: we had all the tower power horns on it, and

2001
01:44:45,400 --> 01:44:47,760
Speaker 9: I sang it, I you know, sang it instead of

2002
01:44:48,160 --> 01:44:50,320
Speaker 9: spoken it. So he comes up to do it at

2003
01:44:50,360 --> 01:44:52,960
Speaker 9: the session, comes to studio DD. He just drive them.

2004
01:44:53,200 --> 01:44:55,680
Speaker 9: He comes out, he puts on it, gets his horn out,

2005
01:44:55,960 --> 01:44:57,840
Speaker 9: he goes out and think he starts playing. He goes,

2006
01:44:58,040 --> 01:45:04,439
Speaker 9: oh my god, it's in C sharp. I'm it's you

2007
01:45:04,479 --> 01:45:08,559
Speaker 9: know C sharp for for a for a tenor for you? Yeah?

2008
01:45:08,720 --> 01:45:10,559
Speaker 12: No, is it the concert?

2009
01:45:10,600 --> 01:45:13,280
Speaker 9: Okay? So B concert? Really? Was it a B concert?

2010
01:45:13,439 --> 01:45:15,080
Speaker 12: It's a whole step it's tenor. I was a tenor

2011
01:45:15,120 --> 01:45:15,720
Speaker 12: play growing up.

2012
01:45:15,720 --> 01:45:20,599
Speaker 9: I wonder if we were real whatever. Yeah, he said,

2013
01:45:22,640 --> 01:45:24,400
Speaker 9: it's a funny key or something like that, and you.

2014
01:45:24,439 --> 01:45:26,000
Speaker 12: Can't see sharp is not a tenor key at all.

2015
01:45:26,160 --> 01:45:26,559
Speaker 12: It sucks.

2016
01:45:26,680 --> 01:45:29,320
Speaker 9: So and I said, wow, I didn't think of that.

2017
01:45:29,400 --> 01:45:31,600
Speaker 9: What I guess we could train v s o it

2018
01:45:31,800 --> 01:45:34,360
Speaker 9: or something. He says, really, what does that mean? I said, well,

2019
01:45:34,400 --> 01:45:37,280
Speaker 9: we can slow the tape down you play the way speech.

2020
01:45:37,280 --> 01:45:39,800
Speaker 9: So he says, okay, let's try it. So we tried

2021
01:45:39,840 --> 01:45:43,080
Speaker 9: to do that and it sounded like kazoos and so

2022
01:45:43,720 --> 01:45:46,120
Speaker 9: he was going, he's just don't worry about I'll just

2023
01:45:46,200 --> 01:45:48,679
Speaker 9: do it. He says, what I said, you sure? He says, yeah,

2024
01:45:49,560 --> 01:45:54,160
Speaker 9: it's just a challenge for super due. It goes out.

2025
01:45:54,920 --> 01:45:57,280
Speaker 12: We say that all the time, and now all the time.

2026
01:45:57,560 --> 01:46:00,639
Speaker 9: Now now gets goes out. And then and he starts

2027
01:46:00,680 --> 01:46:05,519
Speaker 9: the thing, and oh my god, clearly he had shedded

2028
01:46:05,600 --> 01:46:08,280
Speaker 9: it and he was he was just fooling. He had

2029
01:46:08,640 --> 01:46:11,120
Speaker 9: he had to shed it because he played it. And

2030
01:46:11,800 --> 01:46:14,120
Speaker 9: and what was amazing is he starts his solo and

2031
01:46:14,200 --> 01:46:16,479
Speaker 9: he's playing along real nice and all, and here comes

2032
01:46:16,600 --> 01:46:22,760
Speaker 9: tower power Bump bump it butter, No, butter, that butter,

2033
01:46:22,880 --> 01:46:26,519
Speaker 9: that butter that you know, these kind of lifts and

2034
01:46:26,680 --> 01:46:29,599
Speaker 9: and I and the big one they goes but but Butter,

2035
01:46:29,960 --> 01:46:33,559
Speaker 9: no no, And so in his headphones he's playing along

2036
01:46:36,680 --> 01:46:44,680
Speaker 9: and then then years but he goes, Buddy. I mean,

2037
01:46:45,160 --> 01:46:49,680
Speaker 9: it was such a musical lesson watching him react to

2038
01:46:50,040 --> 01:46:54,080
Speaker 9: when when stuff got busy, he went. He went when

2039
01:46:54,160 --> 01:46:57,600
Speaker 9: stuff was low, he got busy when it was It

2040
01:46:57,800 --> 01:47:02,280
Speaker 9: was unbelievable watching him like one of the great experiences

2041
01:47:02,320 --> 01:47:02,720
Speaker 9: of my life.

2042
01:47:02,720 --> 01:47:04,200
Speaker 7: I mean, those are the most polar opposite things IVE

2043
01:47:04,200 --> 01:47:06,120
Speaker 7: ever heard of. Tower of Power and stan Getz.

2044
01:47:06,080 --> 01:47:09,040
Speaker 9: It's it's still and it was a seven minute track,

2045
01:47:09,560 --> 01:47:11,400
Speaker 9: and I got the idea of splitting it up and

2046
01:47:11,479 --> 01:47:14,960
Speaker 9: making it the first cut and last cut, which was

2047
01:47:15,000 --> 01:47:18,720
Speaker 9: a complete mistake. Should have kept the whole thing. Yeah,

2048
01:47:18,760 --> 01:47:23,479
Speaker 9: because his solo on there, which is part two, is

2049
01:47:23,560 --> 01:47:26,240
Speaker 9: the best musical moment on that record by a long shot.

2050
01:47:26,280 --> 01:47:29,559
Speaker 9: I mean, wow, it's just really cool. He just such

2051
01:47:29,560 --> 01:47:30,400
Speaker 9: a great player.

2052
01:47:31,120 --> 01:47:33,360
Speaker 1: I just thought about something, and I know we gott

2053
01:47:33,360 --> 01:47:34,840
Speaker 1: to wrap it up, so well, I have one more question.

2054
01:47:35,960 --> 01:47:37,160
Speaker 12: What do you mean you know you're the boss?

2055
01:47:37,560 --> 01:47:37,600
Speaker 5: No?

2056
01:47:37,640 --> 01:47:39,400
Speaker 1: No, because I'm about to go to movies. Okay, I forgot.

2057
01:47:39,439 --> 01:47:42,080
Speaker 1: You're in a Robert Altman film, Sir, I love.

2058
01:47:42,080 --> 01:47:46,800
Speaker 9: Robert No, no, no, I was like, you don't act. No,

2059
01:47:47,479 --> 01:47:48,360
Speaker 9: that's what I'm saying, Like.

2060
01:47:48,560 --> 01:47:50,000
Speaker 12: You're before that bullshit.

2061
01:47:51,400 --> 01:47:53,920
Speaker 7: And mister Lewis or uh, did you ever fuck with

2062
01:47:53,960 --> 01:47:57,400
Speaker 7: the chromatic harp because you're such a diatonic carp player.

2063
01:47:57,439 --> 01:47:59,240
Speaker 12: You're known for that like that. You always carry on

2064
01:47:59,280 --> 01:48:01,400
Speaker 12: like eight different harps and different keys and shit. Sorry

2065
01:48:01,680 --> 01:48:07,400
Speaker 12: sorry with the chromatic car Yeah, but I what I.

2066
01:48:07,520 --> 01:48:11,880
Speaker 9: Do is playing C chromatic in D minor in your

2067
01:48:11,920 --> 01:48:12,599
Speaker 9: third position.

2068
01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:14,439
Speaker 10: Why is that funny?

2069
01:48:14,439 --> 01:48:14,599
Speaker 9: Bill?

2070
01:48:14,640 --> 01:48:16,000
Speaker 10: Can you explain it to the dummi? Because I don't

2071
01:48:16,000 --> 01:48:16,640
Speaker 10: know what you're laughing at.

2072
01:48:16,880 --> 01:48:21,000
Speaker 12: Oh okay, that was because no one would do that.

2073
01:48:21,400 --> 01:48:23,840
Speaker 9: That's why it's interesting the old blues guys sometimes so.

2074
01:48:24,120 --> 01:48:25,720
Speaker 7: Like, okay, so here's what you know. So like the

2075
01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:29,080
Speaker 7: average I'll explain this in front of Huey Lewis and

2076
01:48:29,200 --> 01:48:31,080
Speaker 7: I'll feel real fucked up about it, but I'll try.

2077
01:48:31,600 --> 01:48:31,640
Speaker 12: So.

2078
01:48:32,280 --> 01:48:36,000
Speaker 7: So Harmonica has blah blah blah holes, it's and it

2079
01:48:36,400 --> 01:48:38,759
Speaker 7: specific key and it's diatonic means it's in a scale,

2080
01:48:38,800 --> 01:48:40,439
Speaker 7: so it's like C or D or E or F.

2081
01:48:40,800 --> 01:48:42,960
Speaker 7: So most so let's take for a bad example, like

2082
01:48:43,160 --> 01:48:45,840
Speaker 7: John Popper of Blues Travelers carrying around eight hundred different

2083
01:48:45,840 --> 01:48:48,320
Speaker 7: harmonicas and different keys so they can play in different keys.

2084
01:48:48,640 --> 01:48:51,679
Speaker 7: A chromatic harmonica is like something that Stevie Wonder plays,

2085
01:48:51,720 --> 01:48:53,200
Speaker 7: which has a little button on the side so you

2086
01:48:53,240 --> 01:48:56,400
Speaker 7: can go, but you can always you can play all

2087
01:48:57,320 --> 01:48:59,679
Speaker 7: different notes, whereas the other ones are just eight notes.

2088
01:49:00,160 --> 01:49:02,280
Speaker 9: Although unless you're Howard Levy, right.

2089
01:49:02,280 --> 01:49:05,519
Speaker 7: Unless you're Wow that wow cut, unless you're Howard Levy

2090
01:49:05,800 --> 01:49:07,640
Speaker 7: a great great or toots are like one of these

2091
01:49:07,680 --> 01:49:08,559
Speaker 7: guys all right on.

2092
01:49:10,880 --> 01:49:13,440
Speaker 12: The original sysme theme would go real deep right anyway.

2093
01:49:13,720 --> 01:49:14,479
Speaker 10: Such a great music.

2094
01:49:14,960 --> 01:49:18,400
Speaker 7: So so so so Hughey is known as not a

2095
01:49:18,479 --> 01:49:20,519
Speaker 7: chromatic player, but a guy who would did you carry

2096
01:49:20,520 --> 01:49:21,599
Speaker 7: around a bunch of different harves?

2097
01:49:21,640 --> 01:49:22,280
Speaker 9: Is that? Yeah?

2098
01:49:22,280 --> 01:49:25,400
Speaker 7: Okay, so so so uh h would lose the news

2099
01:49:25,479 --> 01:49:28,080
Speaker 7: tunes are written in A and E and so are

2100
01:49:28,120 --> 01:49:30,280
Speaker 7: in C minor, like there's some weird ship, so you'd

2101
01:49:30,320 --> 01:49:32,880
Speaker 7: have to adjust the harmonica you're playing for the song

2102
01:49:32,960 --> 01:49:35,000
Speaker 7: you're playing in. So he would carry around tell me

2103
01:49:35,000 --> 01:49:37,559
Speaker 7: if I'm wrong, I'm gonna tell Huey Lewis's business while

2104
01:49:37,600 --> 01:49:39,680
Speaker 7: he's betting right here that like he would play He's

2105
01:49:39,680 --> 01:49:41,519
Speaker 7: had a bunch of different harmonicas in different keys, and

2106
01:49:41,640 --> 01:49:43,880
Speaker 7: so if you have a chromatic harmonica, the idea is

2107
01:49:43,880 --> 01:49:46,479
Speaker 7: that you only would have one exactly right now, you

2108
01:49:46,520 --> 01:49:47,160
Speaker 7: should talk, But.

2109
01:49:47,240 --> 01:49:50,519
Speaker 9: You have to be a much better player than I.

2110
01:49:50,800 --> 01:49:51,800
Speaker 9: I mean, you're it.

2111
01:49:51,840 --> 01:49:52,880
Speaker 12: Did it matter at that point?

2112
01:49:53,000 --> 01:49:55,000
Speaker 9: I mean like, no, you know, all you need is

2113
01:49:55,040 --> 01:49:57,960
Speaker 9: the chops to say what you need to say. And

2114
01:49:58,120 --> 01:49:59,519
Speaker 9: and what is it that you want to say? You

2115
01:49:59,520 --> 01:50:03,679
Speaker 9: don't which they said, there's there's there's hamburgers, and there's

2116
01:50:03,760 --> 01:50:04,400
Speaker 9: fois gras.

2117
01:50:04,760 --> 01:50:07,559
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, so what really?

2118
01:50:07,760 --> 01:50:10,759
Speaker 9: Whatever? I mean? You know, it's it's it's all creative.

2119
01:50:11,240 --> 01:50:13,519
Speaker 12: Yeah, dude, man, man is my spirit?

2120
01:50:13,640 --> 01:50:15,360
Speaker 1: And can we have you? We all time?

2121
01:50:18,200 --> 01:50:23,519
Speaker 9: Love you? Wait? Did I just say that?

2122
01:50:27,720 --> 01:50:28,400
Speaker 1: Oh God?

2123
01:50:28,800 --> 01:50:32,000
Speaker 11: All right, wait, I just want to get to movies

2124
01:50:32,040 --> 01:50:33,760
Speaker 11: while we have a couple of minutes left.

2125
01:50:33,840 --> 01:50:36,320
Speaker 10: Don't forget he's got he's a miracle to because we

2126
01:50:36,439 --> 01:50:36,960
Speaker 10: have to get to that.

2127
01:50:37,360 --> 01:50:38,240
Speaker 1: Yes, we'll get to that.

2128
01:50:38,360 --> 01:50:41,320
Speaker 10: Okay, So with you?

2129
01:50:41,680 --> 01:50:43,920
Speaker 11: How did you get the role in short I'm such

2130
01:50:43,960 --> 01:50:46,800
Speaker 11: a Robert Altman fan. I forgot you're in Shortcuts? How

2131
01:50:46,880 --> 01:50:47,880
Speaker 11: did you get that role?

2132
01:50:49,120 --> 01:50:49,320
Speaker 9: Well?

2133
01:50:49,520 --> 01:50:52,200
Speaker 12: And good looks? Quest love? What's that he's amazing. Good looks.

2134
01:50:52,240 --> 01:50:53,280
Speaker 12: It's Hollywood good looks.

2135
01:50:54,040 --> 01:50:58,200
Speaker 9: We they you know. I don't know how I got

2136
01:50:58,240 --> 01:51:01,519
Speaker 9: the I think it was I think it was my eight.

2137
01:51:01,920 --> 01:51:04,840
Speaker 9: Bill Robinson was is an agent, and I think he was.

2138
01:51:05,040 --> 01:51:09,120
Speaker 9: He was Almand's agent, and then he was a fan

2139
01:51:09,280 --> 01:51:11,240
Speaker 9: of mine, and he said, look, I'll be your agent.

2140
01:51:11,280 --> 01:51:13,280
Speaker 9: I said, well, I don't need an agent. I don't

2141
01:51:13,320 --> 01:51:15,759
Speaker 9: do anything. He said, well, let me just be your agent,

2142
01:51:16,000 --> 01:51:18,679
Speaker 9: just in cases. So then he got me the gig

2143
01:51:20,160 --> 01:51:22,240
Speaker 9: or the audition or whatever it was. And so what

2144
01:51:22,320 --> 01:51:24,479
Speaker 9: I did is I went out to Santa Monica and

2145
01:51:24,840 --> 01:51:28,080
Speaker 9: just talked to Robert Altman and he invited me and

2146
01:51:28,160 --> 01:51:32,160
Speaker 9: he sat me down. He said, you fisherman, right, you

2147
01:51:32,560 --> 01:51:35,679
Speaker 9: fly fish? I said yeah, He says, cool. He said, look,

2148
01:51:37,000 --> 01:51:39,280
Speaker 9: let me give you a scenario. He says, two guys,

2149
01:51:40,439 --> 01:51:42,280
Speaker 9: three guys are going to go on a fishing trip.

2150
01:51:42,760 --> 01:51:44,600
Speaker 9: He says, and they go on a fishing trip. And

2151
01:51:44,680 --> 01:51:46,840
Speaker 9: they've been worried about it for like a year. They've

2152
01:51:46,880 --> 01:51:49,040
Speaker 9: been planning for this trip. It's a big deal. And

2153
01:51:49,160 --> 01:51:51,479
Speaker 9: they got to pack in all the way, and they

2154
01:51:51,560 --> 01:51:52,800
Speaker 9: pack in all the way and they get in there

2155
01:51:52,840 --> 01:51:55,360
Speaker 9: in the evening, and they set up camp and one

2156
01:51:55,400 --> 01:51:57,080
Speaker 9: of the guy goes to take a leak. I was

2157
01:51:57,120 --> 01:51:59,519
Speaker 9: going to say, he goes to take a leak in

2158
01:51:59,560 --> 01:52:03,960
Speaker 9: the river and she's a dead body, right, he says, uh?

2159
01:52:04,360 --> 01:52:06,639
Speaker 9: And so what what are you going to do? He says,

2160
01:52:06,680 --> 01:52:10,160
Speaker 9: And meanwhile the fish a rising like crazy and it's nighttime.

2161
01:52:10,200 --> 01:52:12,320
Speaker 9: What are you going to do? I said, probably fish?

2162
01:52:14,640 --> 01:52:15,240
Speaker 9: You got the gate.

2163
01:52:17,280 --> 01:52:19,840
Speaker 1: It's been a minute since I've seen shortcut. Wasn't that

2164
01:52:20,000 --> 01:52:20,639
Speaker 1: full frontal?

2165
01:52:21,479 --> 01:52:24,200
Speaker 9: Who I remember one of you taking a piss?

2166
01:52:24,760 --> 01:52:24,800
Speaker 14: Me?

2167
01:52:25,520 --> 01:52:26,519
Speaker 1: Was it full frontal?

2168
01:52:27,000 --> 01:52:29,919
Speaker 9: Full front I was going to say, there's something.

2169
01:52:34,960 --> 01:52:40,759
Speaker 1: Only for all only Wait, there was something very unusual.

2170
01:52:40,960 --> 01:52:43,519
Speaker 1: Oh that's right. You definitely have to face the cameras

2171
01:52:43,560 --> 01:52:52,240
Speaker 1: you're taking a piss? Are you serious? She's really get No,

2172
01:52:52,360 --> 01:52:56,880
Speaker 1: she's getting on pornhob right now. Anyway, but he would

2173
01:52:56,920 --> 01:52:58,880
Speaker 1: do yeah, and.

2174
01:53:00,560 --> 01:53:04,759
Speaker 4: His favorite Well, you know, I was telling them earlier

2175
01:53:04,840 --> 01:53:07,160
Speaker 4: that you were the only reason that I saw duets.

2176
01:53:07,160 --> 01:53:07,400
Speaker 9: I was.

2177
01:53:07,800 --> 01:53:11,599
Speaker 10: I was a big Hueye fan. Yeah, sweet yeah, because

2178
01:53:11,640 --> 01:53:12,800
Speaker 10: I was like he was going to be the star

2179
01:53:12,880 --> 01:53:14,800
Speaker 10: of a whole movie. Fuck yeah, because that was your

2180
01:53:14,800 --> 01:53:17,719
Speaker 10: first like biggest was my support?

2181
01:53:17,920 --> 01:53:20,720
Speaker 9: How did you how did you. How did the same

2182
01:53:20,800 --> 01:53:23,200
Speaker 9: thing I read for the part with with Bruce Paltrow.

2183
01:53:23,360 --> 01:53:27,519
Speaker 9: You know. Gwenni's dad directed it. And then they they

2184
01:53:27,560 --> 01:53:31,479
Speaker 9: had apparently tried to make it earlier with but they

2185
01:53:31,520 --> 01:53:35,240
Speaker 9: couldn't find the right Ricky Dean, so with the not Lewis,

2186
01:53:35,520 --> 01:53:39,720
Speaker 9: and so they they pro in the game he uh,

2187
01:53:40,880 --> 01:53:44,160
Speaker 9: you know, he cast me. And then they said we

2188
01:53:44,280 --> 01:53:48,240
Speaker 9: want you to sing a song. I said, great, he

2189
01:53:48,320 --> 01:53:51,400
Speaker 9: says the song. The song in the script was song

2190
01:53:51,520 --> 01:53:55,960
Speaker 9: few Leon Russell and uh, and they changed She's but

2191
01:53:56,360 --> 01:53:58,479
Speaker 9: Gwenna's going to change the song. I said, no problem.

2192
01:53:58,800 --> 01:54:01,680
Speaker 9: So now I get the part. We're gonna film it

2193
01:54:01,760 --> 01:54:04,560
Speaker 9: in Vancouver in like five months. But I get a

2194
01:54:04,640 --> 01:54:10,760
Speaker 9: call that Gwyneth has chosen the song. Uh, cruising, just

2195
01:54:10,880 --> 01:54:13,280
Speaker 9: chosen a song. It's a smokey Robinson tune. I went, great,

2196
01:54:13,360 --> 01:54:18,360
Speaker 9: what's smoking Robinson Cruising? I never I didn't know. I

2197
01:54:18,439 --> 01:54:20,639
Speaker 9: didn't know the song right, So I said, well, send

2198
01:54:20,640 --> 01:54:22,040
Speaker 9: it to me and we'll check it out. They send

2199
01:54:22,040 --> 01:54:24,439
Speaker 9: it to me. I said, okay, I got it. Let's

2200
01:54:25,520 --> 01:54:27,120
Speaker 9: I called him back. I said, it sounds great. Let's

2201
01:54:27,200 --> 01:54:28,920
Speaker 9: let's get we need to get together around a piano

2202
01:54:29,000 --> 01:54:31,439
Speaker 9: and pick a key, and oh no, we already cut it.

2203
01:54:31,960 --> 01:54:35,160
Speaker 8: I said, really another we are in the world since

2204
01:54:35,200 --> 01:54:37,200
Speaker 8: you went what key did you cut it in?

2205
01:54:37,320 --> 01:54:40,480
Speaker 9: They said original key? I said, okay, So I listened

2206
01:54:40,480 --> 01:54:43,480
Speaker 9: to it and it's super high, you know. So so

2207
01:54:43,600 --> 01:54:46,280
Speaker 9: I fashioned this other part together and then we went

2208
01:54:47,040 --> 01:54:51,240
Speaker 9: down there and now we got into the studio, Gwyneth

2209
01:54:51,280 --> 01:54:55,120
Speaker 9: and me and forty five other people, like we've made

2210
01:54:55,200 --> 01:54:58,240
Speaker 9: up people and camera people and then record comings and

2211
01:54:58,280 --> 01:55:01,240
Speaker 9: blah blah, and Larry Klein reduced it and he did

2212
01:55:01,280 --> 01:55:04,160
Speaker 9: a great job. And she just sang her butt off. Man,

2213
01:55:04,280 --> 01:55:05,680
Speaker 9: she can really sing that girl.

2214
01:55:06,560 --> 01:55:09,480
Speaker 1: Were you surprised with number one?

2215
01:55:11,200 --> 01:55:14,400
Speaker 9: Yeah? You know what they did is they messed up

2216
01:55:14,440 --> 01:55:16,560
Speaker 9: on the film. What they should have done is the

2217
01:55:16,720 --> 01:55:20,160
Speaker 9: power power love, release it, let it go, but then

2218
01:55:20,240 --> 01:55:22,880
Speaker 9: release the movie. They released the movie in the song

2219
01:55:22,960 --> 01:55:26,280
Speaker 9: at the same time, and the movie went right, and

2220
01:55:26,360 --> 01:55:29,120
Speaker 9: then two months later the song was number one.

2221
01:55:30,120 --> 01:55:36,480
Speaker 4: So his cruising did better than d'angelo's cruising. Okay, that's

2222
01:55:36,560 --> 01:55:41,520
Speaker 4: very okay, Well, you know it's Dangels was great.

2223
01:55:41,640 --> 01:55:43,000
Speaker 8: You just look at that Simpsons placement.

2224
01:55:43,040 --> 01:55:43,520
Speaker 9: So he's cool.

2225
01:55:45,040 --> 01:55:45,400
Speaker 1: He did.

2226
01:55:45,600 --> 01:55:45,800
Speaker 9: Yeah.

2227
01:55:46,200 --> 01:55:49,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, when there there's a I think like margin Homer

2228
01:55:49,320 --> 01:55:50,920
Speaker 8: riding around the car and cruising.

2229
01:55:50,680 --> 01:55:51,240
Speaker 1: Is on the radio?

2230
01:55:51,400 --> 01:55:56,320
Speaker 8: Really, kid, how do you know that it's the Simpsons?

2231
01:55:56,840 --> 01:56:01,240
Speaker 1: Okay, Paul, Phil it makes sense. So okay, I do

2232
01:56:01,480 --> 01:56:02,080
Speaker 1: have to ask you.

2233
01:56:04,920 --> 01:56:10,520
Speaker 11: With with having trouble with your your hearing right now,

2234
01:56:11,960 --> 01:56:15,080
Speaker 11: when was the beginning of you? This is weird because

2235
01:56:15,080 --> 01:56:18,960
Speaker 11: I just got my ears cleaned out today? How does

2236
01:56:19,000 --> 01:56:22,560
Speaker 11: that happen? Was it just years of abuse on your ear?

2237
01:56:22,640 --> 01:56:25,680
Speaker 9: Drums or the answers?

2238
01:56:25,760 --> 01:56:28,800
Speaker 7: They don't know for my recent right this is like

2239
01:56:28,840 --> 01:56:32,400
Speaker 7: the last year change. It's not like year nine months,

2240
01:56:32,880 --> 01:56:33,240
Speaker 7: nine months.

2241
01:56:34,160 --> 01:56:38,160
Speaker 9: I actually diagnosed with something called Miniere's disease. It's first

2242
01:56:38,680 --> 01:56:41,480
Speaker 9: for me. It started thirty five years ago. I got

2243
01:56:41,760 --> 01:56:44,120
Speaker 9: vertigo so bad I couldn't do a gig one time.

2244
01:56:44,320 --> 01:56:46,640
Speaker 9: I had to go to the hospital and then they

2245
01:56:46,840 --> 01:56:49,800
Speaker 9: gave me a thorozine it's appository, and then I was fine.

2246
01:56:50,280 --> 01:56:53,920
Speaker 9: And then five years later had another vertigo about then

2247
01:56:54,080 --> 01:56:56,960
Speaker 9: suddenly I lost my hearing in my right ear, like

2248
01:56:57,160 --> 01:57:00,280
Speaker 9: maybe twenty five years ago. Twenty years ago. Went to

2249
01:57:00,320 --> 01:57:01,920
Speaker 9: see my e in t guy. He says, get used

2250
01:57:01,920 --> 01:57:05,120
Speaker 9: to it. I said, what whoa it happens? You only

2251
01:57:05,200 --> 01:57:06,880
Speaker 9: need one ear. I said, what do you mean, I'm

2252
01:57:06,880 --> 01:57:09,960
Speaker 9: a musician. He said, Jimmy Hendricks had one ear. Wait

2253
01:57:10,080 --> 01:57:13,680
Speaker 9: what Bryan Wilson had one ear? He says, I have

2254
01:57:13,840 --> 01:57:16,880
Speaker 9: one ear and I'm in a barbershop quartet. I said,

2255
01:57:16,960 --> 01:57:19,840
Speaker 9: really yeah, he says, you only need one. I said,

2256
01:57:20,000 --> 01:57:22,760
Speaker 9: all right. So I went home, told my wife that

2257
01:57:22,880 --> 01:57:25,440
Speaker 9: I he said to get used to it. She says,

2258
01:57:25,440 --> 01:57:27,480
Speaker 9: you can't do that. You got to go to UCSF

2259
01:57:27,600 --> 01:57:30,400
Speaker 9: get second opinion. I went and got tested up and down.

2260
01:57:30,480 --> 01:57:34,000
Speaker 9: They couldn't. Nobody knows anything about this. So now a

2261
01:57:34,120 --> 01:57:35,920
Speaker 9: year and nine months ago, I lost my other ear

2262
01:57:36,440 --> 01:57:40,080
Speaker 9: before a gig, just went deaf, and I have a

2263
01:57:40,160 --> 01:57:44,720
Speaker 9: particularly acute case of Menyere's disease. Meneir's disease is a

2264
01:57:45,720 --> 01:57:49,120
Speaker 9: is a syndrome based on symptoms, which means they really

2265
01:57:49,160 --> 01:57:55,520
Speaker 9: don't know what it is. It's you know, if you

2266
01:57:55,640 --> 01:58:00,840
Speaker 9: have vertigo, hearing loss, fullness in your ears, and tinaitous.

2267
01:58:01,480 --> 01:58:03,560
Speaker 9: They call it many airs disease, but they don't know

2268
01:58:03,640 --> 01:58:08,120
Speaker 9: what it is. I've been everywhere from Stanford are Institute

2269
01:58:08,160 --> 01:58:14,120
Speaker 9: House here, Institute, Mayo Clinic, UCSF, Mass General ironeer no help.

2270
01:58:14,520 --> 01:58:19,600
Speaker 9: I've had chiropractic. I've had acupuncture. I've had low salt,

2271
01:58:19,680 --> 01:58:25,200
Speaker 9: all organic diet, no caffeine, no chocolate, sentral oils. You know,

2272
01:58:25,240 --> 01:58:27,440
Speaker 9: I've tried everything. I've been to, the been to all

2273
01:58:27,480 --> 01:58:30,920
Speaker 9: the holistically I've nobody knows that. And yet my hearing

2274
01:58:31,120 --> 01:58:35,920
Speaker 9: fluctuates still, but it's episodic. It's weird. It'll be okay

2275
01:58:36,080 --> 01:58:39,680
Speaker 9: for like for eight days, it'll okay, still crappy, but

2276
01:58:39,800 --> 01:58:44,480
Speaker 9: it's and then I'll then I'll go a week almost

2277
01:58:44,560 --> 01:58:49,400
Speaker 9: completely deaf, almost entirely deaf. What is that like? Especially

2278
01:58:49,480 --> 01:58:53,360
Speaker 9: when music is your well, forget music. I don't even

2279
01:58:53,400 --> 01:58:56,280
Speaker 9: think about music. It's worse than that. I think about

2280
01:58:56,360 --> 01:58:59,960
Speaker 9: being able to exist, because when I can't hear speed

2281
01:59:00,040 --> 01:59:03,000
Speaker 9: each when i'm bad right now, i'm one to ten,

2282
01:59:03,240 --> 01:59:05,920
Speaker 9: I'm a four. I've only been as good as six

2283
01:59:06,120 --> 01:59:08,880
Speaker 9: ever and and i'm a four, which is good. But

2284
01:59:09,000 --> 01:59:11,400
Speaker 9: I can be one or one and a half. When

2285
01:59:11,400 --> 01:59:13,480
Speaker 9: I'm one and a half or two, I can't hear anything,

2286
01:59:13,920 --> 01:59:17,600
Speaker 9: and so I exist in a cocoon and it's it's

2287
01:59:17,960 --> 01:59:22,400
Speaker 9: it's it's okay, but you're better off by yourself, so

2288
01:59:22,560 --> 01:59:27,560
Speaker 9: there's nobody not to hear, and I read and I write.

2289
01:59:28,440 --> 01:59:31,240
Speaker 9: You know, I'm writing some stuff and and that's all.

2290
01:59:31,360 --> 01:59:33,400
Speaker 9: That's that's what I do. I haven't watched television in

2291
01:59:33,440 --> 01:59:36,200
Speaker 9: a year and nine months. I haven't listened to music

2292
01:59:36,320 --> 01:59:38,080
Speaker 9: in almost two years.

2293
01:59:40,880 --> 01:59:44,680
Speaker 7: Like the performance thing must be clearly an issue then.

2294
01:59:44,760 --> 01:59:47,120
Speaker 7: But like when you're at like a six, I was,

2295
01:59:47,640 --> 01:59:49,480
Speaker 7: I was, we were watching your The teaser for your

2296
01:59:49,520 --> 01:59:56,160
Speaker 7: documentary is is singing versus harp playing different because because

2297
01:59:56,160 --> 01:59:58,360
Speaker 7: of the of the vibrations of the harp, can you

2298
01:59:58,440 --> 02:00:00,920
Speaker 7: feel it in your head? Versus singing is different?

2299
02:00:01,360 --> 02:00:05,680
Speaker 9: No, it's all the same. And in fact, instrument playing

2300
02:00:05,720 --> 02:00:09,480
Speaker 9: an instrument in many ways, like harmonica is almost worse

2301
02:00:10,040 --> 02:00:12,560
Speaker 9: because you know, when you bend a note, you need

2302
02:00:12,680 --> 02:00:16,200
Speaker 9: pitch and you can't find pitch. When when I have

2303
02:00:16,960 --> 02:00:20,280
Speaker 9: a bass part, which would sound bow bow bow bow

2304
02:00:20,440 --> 02:00:26,000
Speaker 9: bow goes to me it sounds everything's what you're through

2305
02:00:26,040 --> 02:00:28,880
Speaker 9: a blown speaker, and you have to fight for pitch.

2306
02:00:29,000 --> 02:00:33,120
Speaker 9: You can't find pitch. Forget fun, you know, like what

2307
02:00:33,360 --> 02:00:35,240
Speaker 9: song is fun? You're in the middle of it. It's

2308
02:00:35,280 --> 02:00:37,680
Speaker 9: just playing itself, you know what I mean. You're singing

2309
02:00:37,840 --> 02:00:41,680
Speaker 9: or playing and it's playing itself. That never happens once.

2310
02:00:41,800 --> 02:00:45,880
Speaker 9: If I'm a six and somebody plays quiet cocktail piano

2311
02:00:46,000 --> 02:00:49,400
Speaker 9: kind of thing, I can almost sing, but the points

2312
02:00:49,480 --> 02:00:51,400
Speaker 9: moot because I can't book a gig.

2313
02:00:52,120 --> 02:00:53,600
Speaker 10: I had a month because I.

2314
02:00:53,600 --> 02:00:56,200
Speaker 1: Don't know what I'm going to be like, got it ship?

2315
02:00:57,840 --> 02:00:58,640
Speaker 9: Oh that's your.

2316
02:01:01,120 --> 02:01:03,320
Speaker 10: You got a brand new so you got that done.

2317
02:01:03,360 --> 02:01:06,000
Speaker 4: That wasn't felt good to make that happen, right, I said,

2318
02:01:06,040 --> 02:01:07,880
Speaker 4: you got a brand new record, and you got that done,

2319
02:01:07,920 --> 02:01:09,560
Speaker 4: so it felt good I had.

2320
02:01:09,760 --> 02:01:13,320
Speaker 9: We had. These were seven tunes on our new record

2321
02:01:13,400 --> 02:01:18,160
Speaker 9: that we had cut before this happened. And what we

2322
02:01:18,240 --> 02:01:20,280
Speaker 9: were just taking our own sweet time. We're doing seventy

2323
02:01:20,320 --> 02:01:23,200
Speaker 9: five to eighty shows a year and trying to stay

2324
02:01:23,280 --> 02:01:26,360
Speaker 9: out of the limelight while we make another record, just

2325
02:01:26,440 --> 02:01:30,160
Speaker 9: keeping everybody alive fingering. The longer we stay away, the

2326
02:01:30,280 --> 02:01:33,480
Speaker 9: better if we're good when we come back. And my band,

2327
02:01:33,640 --> 02:01:35,880
Speaker 9: we were as good as we've ever been two years ago.

2328
02:01:36,360 --> 02:01:40,800
Speaker 9: We were still improving. And but now that this happened,

2329
02:01:40,880 --> 02:01:43,720
Speaker 9: you know, we figured what and we were recording songs

2330
02:01:44,040 --> 02:01:46,040
Speaker 9: along with I mean, some of these songs we've been

2331
02:01:46,080 --> 02:01:49,200
Speaker 9: playing for ten years, you know, but we record them

2332
02:01:49,440 --> 02:01:51,600
Speaker 9: a little bit as we went because we have lives

2333
02:01:51,640 --> 02:01:54,000
Speaker 9: as well, you know, and doing seventy five shows, you

2334
02:01:54,000 --> 02:01:55,400
Speaker 9: don't have a lot of time to get in the studio.

2335
02:01:55,800 --> 02:01:58,040
Speaker 9: But we had these seven songs done. So now when

2336
02:01:58,080 --> 02:01:59,960
Speaker 9: this happened, we said, what the hell, let's release this song.

2337
02:02:00,640 --> 02:02:01,880
Speaker 9: So well.

2338
02:02:01,880 --> 02:02:03,600
Speaker 11: I was going to say, are you big on vacations?

2339
02:02:03,640 --> 02:02:05,720
Speaker 11: But I guess living in Montana, that's sort.

2340
02:02:05,560 --> 02:02:07,600
Speaker 1: Of like you your quiet place here.

2341
02:02:08,840 --> 02:02:10,800
Speaker 9: I mean, now, how does it feel to slow down

2342
02:02:11,000 --> 02:02:16,560
Speaker 9: and just well, you know, I miss I don't miss

2343
02:02:16,640 --> 02:02:19,240
Speaker 9: doing five shows a week, you know, but I miss

2344
02:02:19,320 --> 02:02:23,520
Speaker 9: doing one and I miss my guys, you know, the

2345
02:02:24,600 --> 02:02:27,880
Speaker 9: camaraderie of all that we did together. I miss that.

2346
02:02:28,720 --> 02:02:32,720
Speaker 9: And I feel bad for my twenty five guys who

2347
02:02:33,720 --> 02:02:36,800
Speaker 9: you know are gone. And the fans have been great.

2348
02:02:36,840 --> 02:02:40,040
Speaker 9: I mean the letters and stuff, the support I get.

2349
02:02:40,320 --> 02:02:43,800
Speaker 9: You know, it's funny because you do this stuff, you know,

2350
02:02:44,000 --> 02:02:46,280
Speaker 9: just day to day, and you don't think about your

2351
02:02:46,320 --> 02:02:48,200
Speaker 9: impact or any of that crap. I don't. You don't

2352
02:02:48,200 --> 02:02:50,760
Speaker 9: think about it at all. And now that I'm not

2353
02:02:51,000 --> 02:02:53,680
Speaker 9: doing it day to day and I get these letters

2354
02:02:53,760 --> 02:02:57,280
Speaker 9: and stuff. Wow, you know, it's really moving to say.

2355
02:02:57,400 --> 02:03:00,200
Speaker 9: I mean, people with cancer, people who have you know,

2356
02:03:00,440 --> 02:03:02,880
Speaker 9: we've lost people and all that stuff, how your music

2357
02:03:03,000 --> 02:03:05,800
Speaker 9: consoles them and so on. So it's really a wonderful thing.

2358
02:03:05,920 --> 02:03:08,480
Speaker 9: So I try to remind myself that I have, in

2359
02:03:08,600 --> 02:03:11,160
Speaker 9: spite of this, lots to be thankful for. You know,

2360
02:03:12,120 --> 02:03:13,720
Speaker 9: there's always somebody up worse off.

2361
02:03:13,840 --> 02:03:15,920
Speaker 1: So amen.

2362
02:03:16,080 --> 02:03:16,400
Speaker 10: Amen.

2363
02:03:17,480 --> 02:03:18,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, you didn't know.

2364
02:03:19,000 --> 02:03:20,640
Speaker 10: You was a joy bringer, Hugh Lewis.

2365
02:03:21,320 --> 02:03:22,040
Speaker 9: You heard what I said.

2366
02:03:23,080 --> 02:03:24,600
Speaker 10: I said you didn't You didn't know you were a

2367
02:03:24,680 --> 02:03:25,080
Speaker 10: joy bringer.

2368
02:03:25,080 --> 02:03:26,840
Speaker 4: It's funny because I'm sitting here listening to you for

2369
02:03:26,880 --> 02:03:29,040
Speaker 4: the last two hours, and I was like, Hugh really

2370
02:03:29,080 --> 02:03:32,840
Speaker 4: doesn't understand the impact of his music and how certainly.

2371
02:03:32,080 --> 02:03:35,640
Speaker 10: It's a select amount of bands or artists who can

2372
02:03:35,720 --> 02:03:37,760
Speaker 10: evoke such joy that whatever.

2373
02:03:37,560 --> 02:03:40,959
Speaker 4: You're doing at that moment when their song comes on happiness,

2374
02:03:41,240 --> 02:03:42,120
Speaker 4: everything just stops.

2375
02:03:42,160 --> 02:03:43,080
Speaker 10: And that's y'all.

2376
02:03:43,800 --> 02:03:46,000
Speaker 8: Wait and prepping for this interview, you know, you go

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Speaker 8: through the go through the catalog, you know, and I'm

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Speaker 8: listening to songs and I'm like, damn, I haven't heard

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Speaker 8: this song in a long time. And then like, you know,

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Speaker 8: like Heart and Soul came on and.

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Speaker 1: Happiest moments in my life.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm like, I like I the song came on

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Speaker 8: and I vividly remembered, like I used to sleep with

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Speaker 8: the radio on when I was a kid, and I

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Speaker 8: remember that song coming on and it was two o'clock

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Speaker 8: in the morning when the song came on, and the

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Speaker 8: first lyric and yeah it's two o'clock, and then like

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Speaker 8: all that ship just came rushing back, and then like

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Speaker 8: Jacob's Ladder comes on, Like fuck, I remember driving down

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Speaker 8: this riding down this street. You know, it's just like

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Speaker 8: you're the soundtrack of my.

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Speaker 9: Like you're very sweet to say that, you're very very

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Speaker 9: sweet and that means a lot, really mean it. Thank

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Speaker 9: you very much.

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Speaker 1: Thanks well on behalf of the U the Supreme team.

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Speaker 11: While on pay Bill Boss Bill, the audience can see it.

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Speaker 11: Sugar Steve, we would like to thank you so much

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Speaker 11: for coming on the show. There's been a major education.

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Speaker 9: It's been wonderful and it seemed like went by like that.

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Speaker 9: It seemed like five minutes.

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Speaker 7: You never boarded Montana. You want to come hang out

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Speaker 7: with us? You just come hang out with us?

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Speaker 9: Yes, yeah, what's that?

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Speaker 7: Sorry, anytime you're in Montana you're bored because there's a

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Speaker 7: lot the wildlife, you can come hang out with us.

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Speaker 10: Anytime you want, or if you're lonely, you just want

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Speaker 10: us to come over your hand.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I got it.

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Speaker 9: Here we go.

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Speaker 1: All well, thank you very much and we appreciate it

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Speaker 1: to this gang.

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Speaker 8: Before we before we log off, I just want to

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Speaker 8: ask you, as as the the the boss of all

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Speaker 8: of us, can we have a couple of shows off?

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Speaker 8: That was a Huey Lewis reference.

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Speaker 12: And horribly and I won't edit that out.

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Speaker 1: No, you won't be keeping that. No, we will see

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Speaker 1: you on the next go around, y'all. This is the supreme.

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Speaker 9: That one wasn't as big a hit as.

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Speaker 1: I will say.

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Speaker 8: That is one of my favorite who loosened to the

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Speaker 8: new songs?

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Speaker 9: I thought it was a good one too. A couple

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Speaker 9: of days off.

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Speaker 10: We're gonna have to pay for that, I know we.

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Speaker 1: Don't anyway set around. Thank you very much. For more

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Speaker 1: podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or

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Speaker 1: wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

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