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Speaker 1: and what do you make of the move so far? Um,

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Speaker 1: way things were being run, and that encompasses a lot

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Speaker 1: of different things, I know, but that's the best reason

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Speaker 1: I can come up with John with Carson Wentz's information.

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Speaker 1: This is kind of on topic and kind of not,

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Speaker 1: but Carson Wentz was given a pretty decent sized contract

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Speaker 1: extension with the Philadelphia Eagles. What do you think a

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Speaker 1: trickle down effect that's going to be for guys like

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Speaker 1: Mahomes and of course right here with Houston Texas to

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Speaker 1: Shawn Watson in a year maybe two, I think that

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Speaker 1: the next quarterbacks don't getting more money. I certainly don't

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Speaker 1: think dak Prescott's worn't that kind of money. But Carson

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Speaker 1: Wentz has been hurt three of the last four years,

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Speaker 1: including his last year in North Dakota State, and they've

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Speaker 1: given him what one hundred and seven point nine or

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Speaker 1: one hundred and nine point seven million guaranteed, and you

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Speaker 1: hope he stays healthy. And if I'm Watson, with the

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Speaker 1: chance that this offense has to be great if they

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Speaker 1: can keep will fuller and keeping gets healthy and improved

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Speaker 1: the offensive line, I wouldn't want to sign now. I

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Speaker 1: would want to sign after next season because I believe

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Speaker 1: we all think he's going to be even better than

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Speaker 1: last season when he accounted for thirty one touchdowns and

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Speaker 1: played hurt like he did. So the Deshaun Watson. Whatever

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Speaker 1: Carson Wentz is shigning for Deshaun will get a lot

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Speaker 1: more when the time comes. John, we really appreciate the time.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us. My plays are guys.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, John McClain. You can read the stuff at

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Speaker 1: the Houston Chronicle. I'm sure he'll be running a lot

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Speaker 1: about this. Brian Gaine no longer general manager of the

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Speaker 1: Houston Texans. Let's continue the conversation. I'm gonna go off

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Speaker 1: on some Twitter rants. I'm gonna rant about Twitter. Will

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Speaker 1: a couple of tweets? I just Johnny, I get it off,

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Speaker 1: all right, a few free It's Friday, it's six thirty.

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Speaker 1: It's time to get it off your chests. All right,

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Speaker 1: I'll do that. Next, it's Texans Radio for the most

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Speaker 1: in depth coverage of your favorite team and players. Check

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Speaker 1: out Houston Texans dot com. You're listening to Texans All

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Speaker 1: Access for the latest stories and videos on your Houston Texans.

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Speaker 1: Check out Houston dot com. Yeah, do that, Mark Vandermaren,

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Speaker 1: John Harris with you tonight. As it is a strange afternoon.

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Speaker 1: It's a surprising afternoon. It's a pivotal afternoon in the

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Speaker 1: history of this franchise. And I've been here for all

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Speaker 1: of them, and this is right up there with anything

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Speaker 1: that's ever happened. I mean, I remember Dom Capers being

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Speaker 1: let go and he did his radio show that night

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Speaker 1: that was unbelievable. I remember the morning or day that

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Speaker 1: Gary Kubiak got let go. I remember Rick Smith taking

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Speaker 1: his leave of absence. I don't quite remember exactly Charlie

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Speaker 1: Casually's last day. And by the way, hey see no

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Speaker 1: one's mentioned me here, see what about me? Why can't

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Speaker 1: I come back? He's doing very well on NFL networking. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know some people pick on him. Whatever, And look,

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Speaker 1: media guy, you're going to get your share of criticism.

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Speaker 1: There's no doubt I like Charlie a lopp. But and

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Speaker 1: by the way, no, Rick Smith's not coming back. He's

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Speaker 1: no longer with the organization in any way, it's no

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Speaker 1: longer leave of absence. He's no longer with the organization. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: we wish him well. Is that the tweet you wanted

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Speaker 1: to get? No? No, although there's some people were speculating that,

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Speaker 1: and you know what, people were actually tweeting that who

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Speaker 1: have the phone number of people they can call and

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Speaker 1: find out if that's even a remote possibility. So what

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Speaker 1: you do is you pick up the phone and you

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Speaker 1: call the person that you know that you have the

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Speaker 1: number of and say, hey, would Rick Smith possibly come back?

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Speaker 1: And then you get the answer, and then you go

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Speaker 1: to Twitter and do whatever the heck you want after that.

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Speaker 1: But instead you decide to go to Twitter because it

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Speaker 1: gets retweets and likes and comments and whatever. So you know,

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Speaker 1: there's easy You know people, I can understand Joe fan

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Speaker 1: who has no source or no information at all, no

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Speaker 1: way of connecting with any individual who might have a

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Speaker 1: remote speck up knowledge on what you're about to tweet.

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Speaker 1: I could understand that if a fan just tweets something out.

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Speaker 1: But people who know people and don't father reaching out

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Speaker 1: to them, it drives me nuts. Okay we said with

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Speaker 1: a film metal whole thing. Sorry I was so late

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Speaker 1: with that. If I didn't see that coming, like the

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Speaker 1: lightning strikes last night, Oh I would have been awesome.

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Speaker 1: But listen, you want to know how many I texted

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Speaker 1: my wife at some point to tell her we were

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Speaker 1: coming on live, and I went to go look for

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Speaker 1: the text to her. I had to go like twenty

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Speaker 1: five people down my phone has just been what do

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Speaker 1: you know? What do you know? What happened? And I

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Speaker 1: apologize to everybody haven't responded to yet because come on,

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Speaker 1: like we've been going nuts. Okay. I mean I get

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Speaker 1: the same general question and the same answer, which is what,

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Speaker 1: like what do you know? Like nope, like nope, just

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Speaker 1: I mean maybe I got a TV show going on

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Speaker 1: the air tomorrow night that's already done. Okay, it was

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Speaker 1: in the books. That's all we had to do. Hey,

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Speaker 1: here's a nasty secret redo it. This show was in

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Speaker 1: the books. This this show was in the bow was done,

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Speaker 1: and this show was done. It was great, and I

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Speaker 1: was gonna have a nice weekend, a great weekend. Youah,

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Speaker 1: I know I will. J. J. Watt waited because he

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Speaker 1: was asked on Twitter, what are your thoughts about GM

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Speaker 1: Brian Gaine leaving the Texans and what? Tweeted back. I

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Speaker 1: just want to win, man, I don't care who, how what,

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Speaker 1: I just want to win, which is the proper answer, really,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's what that's That's pretty much what

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Speaker 1: cal McNair said as well. I just want to win, man,

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna do what it takes to win a

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Speaker 1: championship for the city of Houston. He didn't really say, man, okay,

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Speaker 1: but you bring you said something earlier than I wanted

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Speaker 1: to get back to okay. And it's funny because it

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Speaker 1: resonates with me when I hear JJ's name, and that

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Speaker 1: is the window of opportunity. The window of opportunity is

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Speaker 1: needs to be right now. It needs to be right

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Speaker 1: now because think about it. JJ plays a position in

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Speaker 1: which you're not gonna play eighteen years in the league,

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Speaker 1: right You're not. He's not gonna play the amount of

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Speaker 1: double teams, in the amount of players that he has

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Speaker 1: to take on every single team sax seasons does he have,

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Speaker 1: and he's only second of Reggie White in that category.

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Speaker 1: Yet he's got a long way to go to be

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Speaker 1: among the top top because he missed those two right

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Speaker 1: bulk of those two years with injuries. It's a very

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Speaker 1: difficult position to play. So what's his window. I'm not

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Speaker 1: just talking JJ's window, but what's the window me, John,

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Speaker 1: I don't like windows, but I understand what you're saying,

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Speaker 1: because right now, see, you could say, all right, after

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Speaker 1: twenty thirteen, no more shop. Bill O'Brien comes in, and

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Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick. They don't draft a guy. They draft Tom Savage,

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Speaker 1: but we all knew that they didn't really drift draft

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Speaker 1: the first ranchise quarterback. They didn't draft the first or

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Speaker 1: second round or to be the guy. So anyway, the

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Speaker 1: situation was that you knew that that probably wasn't a

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Speaker 1: championship window, but you were going to do your best

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Speaker 1: to make them lasts out of winding season. Okay, the

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Speaker 1: next year they make the plaffs. By the way, little

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Speaker 1: subtlety here. I'm about to get into it again because

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Speaker 1: somebody tweeted about Bill O'Brien's record to use that when

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Speaker 1: listen I a record as a record, I get it,

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Speaker 1: I get I get it. And Gary Kubiak's record wasn't

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Speaker 1: too good when he left here, and he wins a

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl with Denver a couple of years later, right,

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Speaker 1: So I do like that about what Gary Kubiak was

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Speaker 1: able to do for him for his employer at the time.

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Speaker 1: I didn't like it for us because I wish he

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Speaker 1: did it here. Gary Kubyack, it took six years to

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Speaker 1: make the playoffs, right in his sixth year, they broke

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Speaker 1: through and won the division. Bill O'Brien is going into

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Speaker 1: year six. He's won the division three times, all right,

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Speaker 1: he's had what four He's been here five years, four

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Speaker 1: winning seasons, three division titles, So you know he's doing well.

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Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien is doing well. He's but he'll be the

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Speaker 1: first to tell you he's not winning the way he

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Speaker 1: wants to win. And what he wants to do is

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Speaker 1: win the super Bowl. He wants to advance past the

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Speaker 1: divisional around, he wants to do all that. He'll be

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Speaker 1: the first guy to say that. But I'll be the

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Speaker 1: first guy to say this is a good coach, all right,

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that him not advancing past wild

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Speaker 1: card weekend last year is Brian Gain's fault. No one's

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Speaker 1: saying that, and he wouldn't say that either. But they

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Speaker 1: feel like there's another level of performance to get to

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Speaker 1: at the general manager position, and John McLean brought it up.

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Speaker 1: There's other stuff that the GM does besides evaluating talent, signing, talent,

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Speaker 1: negotiating with that whatever. There's other stuff that he does

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Speaker 1: and it's probably not the sexy stuff that you hear

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Speaker 1: about that you see, but there's other stuff as well.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying he didn't do a good job there,

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Speaker 1: but there might be some other things going on in

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Speaker 1: the building that that need they feel can be done better,

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Speaker 1: and that they hope those things are done better. Yeah, Mark,

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Speaker 1: I would I would vent your guests that most fans

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Speaker 1: think that gms do a few things. I would imagine

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Speaker 1: that fans not shocked, but I think fans would be

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Speaker 1: wait a second, that's a GM's responsive. But wait, the

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Speaker 1: gms do that. Wait the GM does what? Oh no,

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Speaker 1: wait he does that. No, he doesn't do that. I

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Speaker 1: think I think fans overall haven't seemingly and they seemingly

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Speaker 1: have an idea of what a what they think in

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Speaker 1: their mind a GM does that is he contracts, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: pick the players, and that's there's there are so many

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Speaker 1: different layers. Every single general manager that you talked to,

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Speaker 1: and even when we talked to Brian Game, when we

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Speaker 1: talked to Rick Smith, we did we did all those interviews.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure when you talk to Charlie Caster's the same thing.

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Speaker 1: There's so much on their plate that people don't have

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Speaker 1: any idea about, right that it's more than just did

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Speaker 1: that GM signed you to Devian Clowning? Did that GM

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Speaker 1: draft Titus Howard? Did that GM go out and spend money.

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Speaker 1: It's that's what the fancy. But there's so much more

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Speaker 1: than that that goes with it. And to be a

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Speaker 1: really good general manager, you've got to handle a lot

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Speaker 1: of different things. And not to say that that Brian wasn't,

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Speaker 1: but there are a lot of different things that you've

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Speaker 1: got to try and handle as a GM, and there

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Speaker 1: are a lot of different things that you gotta I mean,

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Speaker 1: how many times this Bill come into our office our

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Speaker 1: studios and talk about the things that as a head

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Speaker 1: coach in the NFL that you have to deal with. Look,

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Speaker 1: when you get into coaching, you want to call ball plays,

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Speaker 1: like that's you want to call ball plays. That's what

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Speaker 1: you want to do. You want to call ball plays

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Speaker 1: and you want to compete. Then you get to be

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Speaker 1: a head coach at a college level or in particular

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Speaker 1: NFL level, and you're like, whoa man, there's a lot,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot to deal with. That a lot to

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Speaker 1: do it. Sitting in that chair is totally different from

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Speaker 1: being a coordinator. Being a coordinator, you can be this

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Speaker 1: maestro and I'm coordinating my side of the football, and

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Speaker 1: I'm making moves and I'm doing making play decisions. I'm

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Speaker 1: doing great. I got the players really firing on all cylinders.

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Speaker 1: Then you're a head coach and there's politics, there's media,

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Speaker 1: there's a whole bunch of other stuff that's going on

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Speaker 1: around you in the building that you got to deal with.

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Speaker 1: It's a completely different situation. They all say it. That's

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Speaker 1: why I think a lot of head coaches who might

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Speaker 1: lose their gig for whatever reason and then go back

637
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Speaker 1: to being coordinators, they really kick but at that point

638
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Speaker 1: because they understand the whole picture in a different way,

639
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Speaker 1: just like anybody who's been the boss in anything, and

640
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Speaker 1: then you go to not being the boss, you never

641
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Speaker 1: look at your boss the same way again. You know

642
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Speaker 1: what they're going through now, Well, you just mentioned his

643
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Speaker 1: name a little while ago, Gary Kubiak. Yeah, when Gary

644
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Speaker 1: was let go here, He then goes to Baltimore for

645
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Speaker 1: a year. In Baltimore, they have the best offensive season

646
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Speaker 1: they've ever had. He then takes the Denver job after

647
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Speaker 1: that and wins the super Bowl. Wins the Super Bowl. Yeah,

648
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Speaker 1: so with a nothing off with oh my gosh, please

649
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Speaker 1: don't turn it over offense as well. I know he

650
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Speaker 1: did and he was five and two and I know

651
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Speaker 1: those numbers because baby, that was a good signing until

652
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Speaker 1: it wasn't. Okay. And it's funny because if when you

653
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Speaker 1: bring that up, not everything you do, well, this is

654
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Speaker 1: why what we've learned, not everything you know who works

655
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Speaker 1: out works out the way you think it's going to.

656
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Speaker 1: But in class, students, here's what you need to learn today.

657
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Speaker 1: But here's the thing. This is one of those those

658
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Speaker 1: moves where look, they're not putting out pages of information

659
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Speaker 1: as to why they did this. Cal McNair made a statement,

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Speaker 1: said Brian Gaines, a man of high character. They appreciated

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Speaker 1: everything he did. They feel like they want to move forward.

662
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Speaker 1: When a championship I'm paraphrasing right here, I don't have

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Speaker 1: it in front of me. They're going on a search. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So it's not like Chris Olsen's got the job. He's

665
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Speaker 1: going to handle things on an interim basis. Chris Olsen

666
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Speaker 1: is excellent with the cap you know he knows that sucker.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I love Chris Olsen, but I you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's the next guy. I think that

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Speaker 1: they're going on a search, like Cal said, and there

670
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Speaker 1: are a number of candidates, and everybody's tweeting about this,

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Speaker 1: all the national media guys. McLean included that there are

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Speaker 1: a number of candidates. Either they didn't get Nikossara, they

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Speaker 1: did not get permission to interview him. By the way,

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Speaker 1: side note on that he's not the GM of the Patriots. Correct.

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Speaker 1: They were interviewing or trying to or requested to interview

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Speaker 1: him for the GM job here. I don't like it

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Speaker 1: when guys aren't able to interview for a job that's

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Speaker 1: a better job than the one they have. I understand it.

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Speaker 1: If oh, we want to talk to you our offensive

680
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Speaker 1: coordinator to make him our offensive coordinator, well no, you

681
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: can't do that. But if you want to talk to

682
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Speaker 1: my whatever coach and make him a coordinator, well you know,

683
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Speaker 1: maybe you should let him. Or if you want to

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Speaker 1: talk to my director of player personnel, make him a

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Speaker 1: general manager. Great, unless you're kicking the tires just looking

686
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Speaker 1: for information, that might be a different deal. But I'm

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Speaker 1: you know the Patriots did not give him permission. Maybe

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Speaker 1: they will now I don't know all this. What was

689
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Speaker 1: who's about the ringing ceremony last night for the Patriots

690
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Speaker 1: and conversation? I saw that somewhere. But if the Patriots

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Speaker 1: didn't two years ago, why would they? Now that's that's

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Speaker 1: my thought. They didn't give permission two years ago, why

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Speaker 1: would they give a year ago? Johnny year, Yeah, year ago?

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Speaker 1: Who's only a year ago? Why would they? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Causerio's official title as director of Player Personnel, so a GM,

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Speaker 1: I would think as a step above that. Now there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of name MGM. If you don't let them

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Speaker 1: interview for other jobs. This is just a side note

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Speaker 1: from me. Yeah, I just think that you should be

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Speaker 1: able to I agree with you. I think you you

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Speaker 1: ought to be able to interview four jobs above your

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Speaker 1: your level wherever you are, So director of player Personnel

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Speaker 1: GM's above that in most, if not all organizations, you

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Speaker 1: should be able to interview for that. But again, well

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Speaker 1: we'll see at this point. What if they're able to

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Speaker 1: do something like that. Maybe it's a contract, contractual situation.

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Speaker 1: Who who knows it? At this point? And here's the

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Speaker 1: other thing that is seemingly connecting the dots and speculation,

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Speaker 1: but maybe that's not where they're looking. Who knows. I'm

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Speaker 1: I'd be sticking my head in the sand if I

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Speaker 1: was like, oh, they're definitely but I'm not saying that.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, look, speculation is and it's gonna happen

713
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Speaker 1: over the next few days. I just find it interesting that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, our phones have been blown

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Speaker 1: up this entire time. But I got national media saying

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Speaker 1: did you see this coming? Like, no, no idea, absolutely not.

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Speaker 1: And I was gonna make a point earlier and I

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Speaker 1: got sidetracked because that's what I do when I'm on

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Speaker 1: the radio, just talking. You and I just get to

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Speaker 1: talking and we just go off on tangents. But it's

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Speaker 1: Tangent Radio six ten. So my point was this, this

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Speaker 1: is not like Brian Kane was a total disaster. They

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Speaker 1: had to make this move. They really feel like, and

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Speaker 1: I can't speak for them, but this is clear to

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Speaker 1: me from the outside looking into their internal bubble, which

726
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Speaker 1: is look, they went to the playoffs, there were eleven

727
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Speaker 1: and five. We saw the Jordan's do well last year.

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Speaker 1: We saw QT do well when healthy you know, we

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Speaker 1: saw those draft choices work Justin How can I not

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Speaker 1: mention Justin Reid who looks like he's on his way

731
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Speaker 1: to being a potential pro bowler. I'll just say potential

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Speaker 1: because I'm not going to put them in Orlando or

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Speaker 1: wherever it's going to be just yet. But the point

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Speaker 1: is this, it's not like a good job was not

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Speaker 1: being done necessarily. This is about a better job can

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Speaker 1: be done. So it's good to great or great to

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Speaker 1: actually however you want to define that, and that's what

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Speaker 1: they feel they can do. And what did Bill O'Brien

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Speaker 1: talk about last year alignment? Well, maybe the alignment wasn't

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Speaker 1: working out the way they wanted it to. After working

741
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Speaker 1: together for two offseasons, they feel like, look, this has

742
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Speaker 1: got to change, evolved, get better. It could be better,

743
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Speaker 1: so let's go. It's not like the match is horrible,

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Speaker 1: but it could be a lot better. So let's move

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Speaker 1: on now. And this is now I'm starting to speculate,

746
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Speaker 1: So forgive me for that, but that's how I kind

747
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Speaker 1: of see it. That it's just another level they're seeking.

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Speaker 1: They wanted to get to that super Bowl level. They're

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Speaker 1: not there, in their opinion, as an organization, Cal McNair

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Speaker 1: makes this move and it's bold, it's brave. Maybe it

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Speaker 1: doesn't work, who knows, Like all moves in football, maybe

752
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: they don't work. But it's aggressive. There's no question about it.

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Speaker 1: You cannot fault calp or not being aggressive. He's being

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Speaker 1: it's plenty aggressive here and making the best move in

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Speaker 1: his eyes for his organization. Well, what's the what's the

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Speaker 1: the aspect that where you use the word alignment most

757
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: for cars? Right? Cars? Oh yeah car? Might car might

758
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: have perfect alignment? Right yeah, yeah, it might have perfect

759
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Speaker 1: alignment and all some boom, hit a pothole and what happens?

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Speaker 1: Oh man, alignment's off at that point. So they might

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Speaker 1: have hit a pothole. They hit a pothole of some sort,

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Speaker 1: maybe to throw off the alignment. I mean, who knows.

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Speaker 1: I mean it can happen, because I knew that question

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Speaker 1: is coming. Well, if they were aligned, then then what happened? Okay,

765
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Speaker 1: maybe something did happen. Maybe not. Maybe they just felt

766
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Speaker 1: like long terment by long term in the NFL, long

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00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 1: terms like maybe three or four years, you know, long

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Speaker 1: term in the NFL. They just felt like and Cal

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Speaker 1: said it, we want to go win championships. As JJ said,

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Speaker 1: I want to win, right, Cal wants to win, the

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Speaker 1: organization wants to win. We want them to win. See

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Speaker 1: if Houston wants them to win. So let's find the

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Speaker 1: right situation to make that possible. And in the case,

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Speaker 1: like I think about windows, I do think about that

775
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Speaker 1: because you're not talking about it. I talk about Johnny.

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Speaker 1: Oh I've got sidetracked earlier as well, and I'll let

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Speaker 1: you finish, but yeah, it is a window. Because I

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Speaker 1: talked about twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen. Then I got into

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Speaker 1: O'Brien's performance here as a head coach and how he's

780
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Speaker 1: you know, won three divisions in the last four years

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Speaker 1: and everything. But the point is this, Now they got

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Speaker 1: the quarterback, right, They've got a twenty seven year old

783
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Speaker 1: wide receiver who's probably the best in the league. They

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Speaker 1: got JJ Watt with whatever he's got in the tank,

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Speaker 1: which looks like a lot, but you know, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: go forever and all of that stuff. And that's why

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Speaker 1: I say that, because you're talking about one of the

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Speaker 1: transcended defensive players in the history of the NFL. How

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Speaker 1: much longer can he play at that particular level? Now

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Speaker 1: we hope he can play another four or five years

791
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Speaker 1: at this level. Deshaun obviously allows you to extend the

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Speaker 1: window if you will, but at that point, maybe you won't.

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Speaker 1: Maybe in a few years you won't have that transcended

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Speaker 1: defensive player. I hope that day never comes. But look,

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Speaker 1: let's be realistic about this. I do believe, I do

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Speaker 1: believe in windows, and I don't think that you should

797
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Speaker 1: ever sacrifice your long term just to make sure you're

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Speaker 1: capitalizing on the short term because of that window. But

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Speaker 1: if you do feel like, hey, we're a player, we're

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Speaker 1: a player away, or we're two players away from being

801
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Speaker 1: really stinking good, and we've got to be careful with

802
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 1: that because you know, we've got a couple of elder

803
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: statesmen on the team where we got a couple of veterans.

804
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 1: We gotta capitalize. Now, you get to that point and

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Speaker 1: then you start doing some drastic things and I'm not

806
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Speaker 1: really talking about that, but over the next two or

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Speaker 1: three years, you've got a window here because of Deshaun,

808
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Speaker 1: because he's still in his rookie contract for a year

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Speaker 1: maybe two. Who knows that you still have J. J.

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Speaker 1: Watt playing at this particular level, you have DeAndre Hopkins

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Speaker 1: at that level, it's time. It's time where expectations shouldn't be, Hey,

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Speaker 1: let's just get out of the divisional round, right, Expectations

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00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: should be we need to be knocking on the door

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Speaker 1: of the super Bowl every single year, right because we

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Speaker 1: got number four. We got to kick the door in

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Speaker 1: at some point. And maybe it's this year, maybe it's not.

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Speaker 1: Whatever they've it left a bad taste in everyone's mouth

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Speaker 1: to not do well in that playoff game, to not

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Speaker 1: be able to make that at least first step into

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Speaker 1: the divisional round with this group, and then to lose

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Speaker 1: to that team, which, look, they're gonna make some noise

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Speaker 1: in this division. I know they're having some problems right now.

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Speaker 1: We'll see how that goes. I think Andrew Luck should

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Speaker 1: sit out the year and rest that calf. Ye get

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Speaker 1: ready for twenty twenty. Absolutely, it's my opinion. And Chris

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Speaker 1: needs to go on vacation. He needs to retire too.

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Speaker 1: They should all retire. Okay, that's gonna do it. For

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Speaker 1: the show tonight, we really want to thank you for listening.

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Speaker 1: We know it's been a little strange, a little surprising,

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Speaker 1: but that's the world of sports, is it. Not. We'll

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Speaker 1: see where it goes from here here. We'll all follow

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Speaker 1: it together and we will be on the air Monday

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Speaker 1: night at six to talk more about this about the

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Speaker 1: mini camp coming up next week. Texans three sixty is

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Speaker 1: going to be Tomorrow night thirteen at eleven pm with

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Speaker 1: some info on this and some other things happening, of

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Speaker 1: course with your favorite football team, because they're hard at work.

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Speaker 1: One more week of it before they go on their

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Speaker 1: desert break before training camp. Before you know what, it's

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Speaker 1: all going to be coming down with the twenty nineteen

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Speaker 1: campaign on the way. Thank you Austin for producing tonight.

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Speaker 1: The guys from six ten are coming on next with

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