Speaker 1: Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our stories.
Speaker 3: Done done.
Speaker 4: Yay, that's messed up an sv podcast.
Speaker 1: We're here. My name is Lisa Trager and I'm Kara Klank.
Speaker 1: And you know the drill on this pod. It's SVU,
Speaker 1: it's true crime, it's guests, and it's chatting, and it's
Speaker 1: movie reviews. And I did see one battle after another
Speaker 1: and I fucking loved it good.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean I have not heard one person not like it.
Speaker 2: Eve very Quarterrarians of the world, and I'm I can't
Speaker 2: wait to see it. It's just been gorgeous in New York.
Speaker 2: I know, I'm sure it's been between seventy five and eighty.
Speaker 2: I've been out in the streets, like I cannot sit
Speaker 2: in a movie theater at the moment, and I live
Speaker 2: by them. I smell the popcorn I want in, but
Speaker 2: I can't. I have to enjoy every moment.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The thing is is like it's two hours and forty minutes,
Speaker 1: but you don't notice at all, Like it goes like it.
Speaker 4: It is well paced. It is a good movie. Like
Speaker 4: and I hear.
Speaker 2: Imax, I think I'm gonna do the Imax or the
Speaker 2: thirty five millime. I'm gonna do something, you know that
Speaker 2: that the people are saying to do.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 1: And I'm not even like a big pt Anderson fan.
Speaker 1: Like I like some stuff.
Speaker 4: I love that what you say nothing just like the
Speaker 4: PTA of it all is funny to me. Yeah, the
Speaker 4: New DA makes me laugh.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm on the PTA, but I'm not for the PTA,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Like, I don't.
Speaker 1: I I don't know what Like I love Phantom Thread,
Speaker 1: I didn't like Liquorice Pizza. I mean there's He's very
Speaker 1: up and down for me, this movie rocks. It's really
Speaker 1: like an It reminds me of just like a nineties
Speaker 1: classic that we you could watch like a bunch of times.
Speaker 4: Case you haven't seen it yet either. He hasn't.
Speaker 2: Oh oh, I also heard Teyana Taylor did like ninety
Speaker 2: nine percent of her own stunts too.
Speaker 4: Is what I hear. They said, watch out Tom Cruise
Speaker 4: is what I was. I'm hearing. She's good.
Speaker 1: Her Her career trend trajectory has been so crazy.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, I mean she came out as the baddest
Speaker 2: bitch we've ever seen, and I guess continues to do it.
Speaker 4: I kind of. I think it's been quite consistent.
Speaker 1: No, but like music videos, reality and now like a big.
Speaker 4: Blockbuster like or not even blockbuster.
Speaker 1: Big like you know sort of thing movies like I
Speaker 1: don't know She's I had no idea Sean Penn was
Speaker 1: in it, and then I saw the movie. I was
Speaker 1: like yeah, and then I was like remembering. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh man, he like is bad right, Like he he's
Speaker 1: an example of My husband always has this theory of
Speaker 1: pre too. I think I've talked about it on this podcast,
Speaker 1: like if you got like in trouble for like beating
Speaker 1: a woman or doing something bad before the Me Too era,
Speaker 1: it's almost like they're like, well, we're not talking about
Speaker 1: you anymore. Like if your secrets came up during ME Too,
Speaker 1: then you got you know what I mean, like Harvey Weinstein.
Speaker 1: But like we've let so many guys go.
Speaker 2: Because it was like, girl, I was just getting my
Speaker 2: eyebrows wax and Mariah Carey was playing so I just
Speaker 2: was like to the girl, like, oh have you seen
Speaker 2: Mariah's doing all this press. She's being more open and
Speaker 2: silly than she usually is. So we start talking about Mariah.
Speaker 2: She goes, I need to see her. I go she
Speaker 2: does Christmas concerts every year, Like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 2: See her very easily, but she goes, yeah, I love
Speaker 2: concerts anytime.
Speaker 4: Who was it was? It was Chris Brown and someone else.
Speaker 2: She goes, I would never miss a Chris Brown show,
Speaker 2: and then she said another person.
Speaker 4: And I had to be like, uh huh for sure?
Speaker 1: And I go, so, you like, she's like, r Kelly,
Speaker 1: Chris Brown, I don't miss I.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was like, I can't relate to that, but yeah,
Speaker 2: you know I didn't.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: My friend was telling me this, like they are any
Speaker 1: nikey stuff. Oh my god, I've been following the Cardi
Speaker 1: and Nikki stuff. Is fucking dark as hell. Anything's into it.
Speaker 1: It's really fucking dark. Like I'm so surprised. I mean
Speaker 1: not that I know that there isn't, but I'm like,
Speaker 1: how is there not a publicist like or an agent
Speaker 1: being like stop now, this is this is going nowhere.
Speaker 4: But I guess they're like unstoppable.
Speaker 2: Well, people like Cardi because she's funny and cool, so
Speaker 2: I think her like she's not going to listen. And
Speaker 2: then a Nikki, I think she's like hard to work with.
Speaker 2: Like I think the people that work around her with
Speaker 2: her are probably not like people to let her know
Speaker 2: what's up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's I mean.
Speaker 1: I will say when I met Nikki, she was very nice,
Speaker 1: but that was for two minutes once.
Speaker 4: But drag Race maybe like works. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just yeah, on drag Race, I don't know if
Speaker 2: she has They've definitely saying they've definitely like lip syncs
Speaker 2: to her.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like yeah, I don't know. I just I
Speaker 1: googled it and it said, oh, she was All Stars
Speaker 1: seven in twenty twenty two. Okay, I guess she was.
Speaker 1: She served as a judge for Snatch Game. It says,
Speaker 1: but that's ai. I don't know if it's true. Why
Speaker 1: don't you do minus AI? I don't understand. Why are
Speaker 1: minus AI? I try to do that and it didn't work.
Speaker 1: Oh it works for me? Yeah, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: tried to do that. It doesn't whatever my settings are,
Speaker 1: it's not working anyway. That beef is fucking wild. I
Speaker 1: have been following what did you think of the new tailor.
Speaker 4: I like it.
Speaker 2: This is the thing, so I really like it. It
Speaker 2: kind of is reminiscent to me of like old like
Speaker 2: Abba and like ace of bass vibes for a little
Speaker 2: bit of it, like I like it, so Opalite's my favorite.
Speaker 2: I love the single The Fate of Ophelia. I think
Speaker 2: the video is gorgeous. And then I rode to three
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift Life of a Showgirl rides this weekend, so
Speaker 2: I went to three Souls in a row that only
Speaker 2: listened to this album, so obviously I love it, Like
Speaker 2: writing to Canceled was awesome, Like I like Honey, I
Speaker 2: like Father Figure, like I'm into it, but if you
Speaker 2: rate them all, it's still in last place, like at
Speaker 2: the real of Day, it doesn't beat the other ones,
Speaker 2: and like I don't have an emotional connection to Fearless,
Speaker 2: so maybe I like, but I'm like skipping up. I'm
Speaker 2: like singing in the rain, like I am in the
Speaker 2: streets fully doing choreo on the sidewalk, like I am
Speaker 2: not calm.
Speaker 4: I really do like it.
Speaker 3: But.
Speaker 1: I listened to the I listened to the whole thing,
Speaker 1: which I never do when albums first come out, Like
Speaker 1: I usually like wait for the singles to hit me,
Speaker 1: you know, and what is embarrassing at the end of
Speaker 1: the day is really made me cringe, Like I was also.
Speaker 4: Cringing, like you're doing.
Speaker 2: A song about Olivia Rodrigo. This girl is fifteen years
Speaker 2: younger than you. What are you doing?
Speaker 4: Is that? What that about father Figure is about Olivia Rodrigo.
Speaker 2: Oh and Charlie XCX coke thing is just like I
Speaker 2: hate how self referential she is and how slighted she
Speaker 2: feels that anything. And it's like people are allowed to
Speaker 2: talk shit about you, like you're such a fuckaire, You're
Speaker 2: such a baby.
Speaker 4: It just it bothers me. I didn't like the movie
Speaker 4: cash Grab of it All.
Speaker 2: I don't like how desperate she's being about beating Adele's record,
Speaker 2: like I.
Speaker 4: Got all I'm hearing is like a.
Speaker 1: Lot of like that, like even from Swifties that are
Speaker 1: just like the consumerism is getting a little bit like
Speaker 1: fever pill.
Speaker 2: I have the tape and yeah, I got a tape
Speaker 2: delivered yesterday. Oh way, a cassette. I ordered the cassette.
Speaker 2: How are you gonna play it? Well, I wasn't gonna
Speaker 2: play a record or a CD either, but it's tastes
Speaker 2: up the smallest amount of space.
Speaker 4: Player. Oh cool, yeah, yeah, next time I bought like
Speaker 4: one of those.
Speaker 1: I bought one of those like seven and one things
Speaker 1: that's like a record player, tape CD radio you know.
Speaker 4: Anyway, I like it.
Speaker 1: I can play my old mixes from high school because
Speaker 1: I'm a dinosaur.
Speaker 4: But oh but it is so fun.
Speaker 2: I I'm into wish like I'm into it, So I
Speaker 2: don't know, but going after because it's just But then
Speaker 2: someone mentioned like she's been depressed, like TTPD. She didn't
Speaker 2: want to do press because it was about like all
Speaker 2: these sad things. She's like, it's fun to see her
Speaker 2: happy and excited. Yeah, I like the outfits. I like
Speaker 2: all the things, but it's just.
Speaker 1: Well the song Canceled was making me a little bit
Speaker 1: confused too. But I'll say I only listened to it
Speaker 1: like one time, and I mean kind of like you
Speaker 1: have you ever been canceled?
Speaker 4: Has anybody around you been?
Speaker 2: It's about Blake, It's about how she likes her friends
Speaker 2: canceled like she likes her friends on the edge, like
Speaker 2: it's something else. And then I heard a theory that
Speaker 2: it could be a reputation vault track that she added
Speaker 2: to this, but I don't think she would do that.
Speaker 4: But I don't know. The Lamb the Sea. I like it,
Speaker 4: it's fun. I like the video.
Speaker 2: I wish it wasn't all so serious in terms of
Speaker 2: the opinions we have to have. But I think if
Speaker 2: it is the worst album, I don't know.
Speaker 4: But that's when you have.
Speaker 1: That many romantic song because it's it sounds like a
Speaker 1: Weezer song to me, and I should love it.
Speaker 2: But if it wasn't about Charlie, I would like it.
Speaker 2: I'm just embarrassed for like, I don't understand yeah, immaturity,
Speaker 2: Like eventually you do have to escape this. I'm a
Speaker 2: girl being picked on in high school mentality she has
Speaker 2: for some reason. It's like very frustrating as a fan
Speaker 2: to be a part of but my yeah album and.
Speaker 4: You are thirty five years old, so yeah yeah, And
Speaker 4: then other people are like, so the man made you.
Speaker 2: But it's like you're allowed to like because someone's like, babe,
Speaker 2: you shouldn't be gushing about a guy like this. You're
Speaker 2: thirty five. Its it'd be cutef you're twenty two, and
Speaker 2: it's like, well, she fell in love at thirty five,
Speaker 2: so like, why can't she h, No, I don't care
Speaker 2: about that gush.
Speaker 4: Stupid, But I don't care about the gushing.
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of dick illusions, Just a lot
Speaker 1: of dick illusions on that wood song, like a lot.
Speaker 2: It's embarrassed singing about your husband, Like I don't get it,
Speaker 2: but yeah, open lie fado Ophelia, give it to me,
Speaker 2: put it in my veins. I also did go to
Speaker 2: the dune Dune Diner. Oh my gosh, tell me so.
Speaker 2: I had an amazing Saturday. I exit soul Cycle and
Speaker 2: I have a text for my friend Sofia, who's in town.
Speaker 2: We were supposed to meet up later in the day,
Speaker 2: and she goes, I'm in the line. It's a two
Speaker 2: hour wait get here, And I go, you know that
Speaker 2: stressed me out a meeting.
Speaker 4: So I'm like, okay, I have to rush home.
Speaker 2: I have to shower, I have to get dressed, and
Speaker 2: then I have to get to Rockefeller Center within two hours.
Speaker 4: But I did it and Rockefeller Center. Sorry, Matt Rogers. Song.
Speaker 2: Way have you seen the new less culture? Says clip
Speaker 2: that's been going viral with Malala. No, they're recording in
Speaker 2: like a new room and Bowen goes, hey, so we're
Speaker 2: not in our usual room. We did get booted for Malala.
Speaker 4: And then Matt.
Speaker 2: Rogers goes, yeah, you know, between Matt Rogers and Malala,
Speaker 2: you have to go with Malala and that's the role
Speaker 2: of culture. And then they start talking and Bowen goes,
Speaker 2: but if this was kickball, like I would be picked
Speaker 2: before Malala. And Malala ripped that audio and made a
Speaker 2: video of her at the gym doing leg day and
Speaker 2: it's all like, you don't know what Malala's legs are
Speaker 2: up to.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I love that. I'm obsessed. That's so funny. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's so cool. So wait, so you have to get
Speaker 4: to a rockefella set up and then what Yeah? So
Speaker 4: I get there and it is. It was incredible.
Speaker 2: I hope someone from the Sview universe is listening. The
Speaker 2: staff and people that were working were beyond. And you
Speaker 2: also got free stuff. I didn't realize it was all
Speaker 2: gonna be free. But you got like a free bagubag
Speaker 2: that said like a lead Squad and it was a
Speaker 2: mug and a choice of three hats. The food was free,
Speaker 2: the cookie was free, the coffee, like everything's included.
Speaker 4: The fun little newspaper, the photo booth.
Speaker 2: They're so patient, they want you to look at all
Speaker 2: the stuff, and then they stick to it. They're like, hey,
Speaker 2: detect dives and they sit you down, and when you
Speaker 2: do the trivia on the place mats, they're like, did
Speaker 2: you get a break in the case? Like they treat
Speaker 2: you like you're a detective. But then finally I asked
Speaker 2: one that the waitresses. I go, listen, girl, this is incredible.
Speaker 2: I go, you are all so friendly, You're so good
Speaker 2: at your jobs and committed, Like is this a marketing company?
Speaker 4: Are you an outside events you? Are you an inshant? Like?
Speaker 2: What is this? Are you hired actors? Is this NBC Universal?
Speaker 2: Who hired you? And she's stating characters. She wouldn't talk
Speaker 2: to me, she wouldn't give me the scoop. But I'm
Speaker 2: so curious because these people were elite as fuck. And
Speaker 2: on the way out, if you filled out a survey,
Speaker 2: you got a choice between another a T shirt or
Speaker 2: a bracelet. I got the bracelet. What would Olivia Benson do?
Speaker 2: But and then you can buy stuff, so like my
Speaker 2: friend bought the T shirt and I got the socks.
Speaker 2: I got to wear Law and Order socks Saturday night
Speaker 2: and I the eggs tasted like chemicals, but I didn't
Speaker 2: go I didn't go there for the breakfast.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah that's a lot. And wait so you
Speaker 1: sit down and eat at the diner.
Speaker 2: Yes, And not only that, like on the outside where
Speaker 2: you see like the dun Dawn and the stuff, employees
Speaker 2: are taking photos of you. They're like, you want some separate,
Speaker 2: some together, whatever you need right this way. Like I've
Speaker 2: just never seen such kindness from a free fan event,
Speaker 2: Like I don't know, I was really impressed. Yeah that's cool,
Speaker 2: and oh my god, I cut the photo. But there
Speaker 2: was like like a bunch of hanging plates and one
Speaker 2: of the plates said I just know stuff iced tea,
Speaker 2: And it was like all these.
Speaker 4: Cool look at me, I just know stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like a lot of photos an ode
Speaker 2: to Benson.
Speaker 4: And if I knew.
Speaker 1: It was all that, I would have like flown in
Speaker 1: for it, Like if I you know, like next year
Speaker 1: in the ball, if I know they're doing something for
Speaker 1: season twenty eight, I'm coming, I'm gonna fly out.
Speaker 4: Because it's like it.
Speaker 2: Was just a class act, like even without like seeing
Speaker 2: any of the slabs or anything, like they just really
Speaker 2: were so fan friendly.
Speaker 1: But did you see any because like we had a
Speaker 1: listener that sent us like Marishka signing her thing and
Speaker 1: then she spelled her name wrong and she was like
Speaker 1: it's fine.
Speaker 4: It's it's two ends, but it's fine.
Speaker 1: She goes no girl, and she gave her another poster
Speaker 1: and was like, you got it. You should like speak
Speaker 1: up for spelling your name right, and like then they.
Speaker 4: Took out a picture and everything. So I was wondering.
Speaker 1: I'm sure she came for like an hour or two
Speaker 1: and then maybe other people came.
Speaker 4: I was wondering if you saw anybody. No, there was
Speaker 4: no like, no one was there signing.
Speaker 2: And that's what I mean, like just on its face,
Speaker 2: it's like such an actually cool fan event where you
Speaker 2: do not have to spend a dollar. Wow, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, and you get all this stuff like
Speaker 2: I can't wait to wear my done Dune diner hat.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: So if you guys have any scoop, I'm like, who
Speaker 2: put that together?
Speaker 4: Wait?
Speaker 2: Did anyone respond what our merch should be? Have we
Speaker 2: got any responses? It is a due day. I don't
Speaker 2: think we're gonna have a holiday merch.
Speaker 1: That episode only came out today and so we've gotten
Speaker 1: a few, but it's a lot of stuff where people
Speaker 1: are like, oh, Benson's haircuts. Throughout the years, it's like
Speaker 1: somebody has done that, or somebody said wood room blinds
Speaker 1: and cement room bars, which we do sell pens on
Speaker 1: our live shows.
Speaker 4: That one is what are our pens?
Speaker 1: Our pens are ambitious and tipsy, cement room bars and
Speaker 1: dumb bitch bitch.
Speaker 4: So I get them, dumb bitch.
Speaker 1: I think we should get the dumb bitch socks back
Speaker 1: in rotation too. Would people wear like just a dumb bitch? No,
Speaker 1: those socks are awesome. Let's just let's just do dumb
Speaker 1: bitch socks and Christmas colors. I don't even think we
Speaker 1: need to do it in Christmas colors. Great, people are
Speaker 1: just gonna buy it for each other. Yeah, we're we're
Speaker 1: doing dumb bitch socks again. As we never sold them
Speaker 1: on the internet, did we on the show?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: We only sold them live at live shows. Great, we
Speaker 2: got our merch. It's dumb bitch socks. Put them in
Speaker 2: your cart.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna think a little bit harder. So if anybody does, I'm.
Speaker 1: Gonna think, well, by the time this episode comes out,
Speaker 1: we know, but it's like a few I know I'm
Speaker 1: going to think today I've been like I've been a
Speaker 1: little swamp, but like I want to think of something
Speaker 1: because I think that. And well, we were getting a
Speaker 1: lot of ideas, like people were like, please make a
Speaker 1: rape whistle and I was like I would love to,
Speaker 1: and they were like, or like make make a defense
Speaker 1: like a knife that says.
Speaker 2: Do you have children, detective? And I was like, I
Speaker 2: don't know about Like, let's send an email. Like right,
Speaker 2: I'm sending an email right now. Can we have weapons?
Speaker 2: Can we make what?
Speaker 1: They're gonna say, no, one weapons, But I bet a
Speaker 1: rape whistle is going to be okay, I'm just predicting.
Speaker 4: Well with the rape whistle, say you did what you
Speaker 4: needed to to survive. Yeah, your god, that's so good. No,
Speaker 4: it's not.
Speaker 1: No, not that it's like you did the only thing
Speaker 1: you had to do you survived or like some I
Speaker 1: mean that's okay. Wait, we got to think about that.
Speaker 1: We gotta we gotta work shop it.
Speaker 2: But oh wait wait, So because this weekend was huge
Speaker 2: obviously with the Dunda and that inner and the Taylor
Speaker 2: swift of it, and I had six spots.
Speaker 1: And uh and New York weather was popping. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's really a confluence of events.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: I went to Union Square did I buy six prints
Speaker 2: from a woman where I have note? And she goes, so,
Speaker 2: what's up? You're just walking around? I go, yeah, I
Speaker 2: have spot pay ears one hundred dollars.
Speaker 4: Do you want the money or not?
Speaker 1: Bitch, here's a pair of dumb bitch sucks. Stop trying
Speaker 1: to downseell me.
Speaker 2: I know it was crazy, but this is one of
Speaker 2: the best things that I've been waiting for my whole life.
Speaker 2: Did happen to me? I'm walking to my spot and
Speaker 2: I hear my name. I turn around and there's two
Speaker 2: young boys, like young men, sitting and one of them.
Speaker 4: Goes, hey, you used to babysit me. Shut up, buck up.
Speaker 2: He's twenty one years old now and I baby sat
Speaker 2: him in like twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen when I was
Speaker 2: in New York.
Speaker 1: Wait, back up nanny, Yeah, and ran down to the
Speaker 1: backup nanny kids.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it was it was the family, because there's two
Speaker 2: families that like two boys like that. I really loved
Speaker 2: the kids, and this was one of them and his
Speaker 2: dad's an author and was a professor at Columbia and
Speaker 2: their apartment. I'm like, do you guys still love the apartment?
Speaker 2: He goes yeah, and he's like, and I live with
Speaker 2: my parents.
Speaker 4: I'm not good. Like that apartment was incredible. But they
Speaker 4: were this great family.
Speaker 2: He did ballet and like they took the train and
Speaker 2: they would break dance and like, I don't know, they
Speaker 2: were just like an amazingly smart, eccentric, cool family that
Speaker 2: got along and were hip and cool. And his friend
Speaker 2: was nice, and so we chatted. But then his friend
Speaker 2: had a little book car. He's like, hey, do you
Speaker 2: want a shot? And I go, well, I'm a grown woman,
Speaker 2: so it would be really crazy if I started drinking
Speaker 2: from your bookardi in the street.
Speaker 4: But and then we.
Speaker 2: Talked for a little longer, and I could tell he
Speaker 2: was like over and I go, I'm sorry, this is
Speaker 2: like longer a conversation than you wanted. But I really
Speaker 2: like loved your family. I thought you guys were so
Speaker 2: cool and like loving towards each other. And he goes,
Speaker 2: you were a really great babysitter. He goes, you showed
Speaker 2: us mean girls and see him punk clips. And I
Speaker 2: was like, okay, that was twenty fourteen. Me like that
Speaker 2: makes sense, okay, and he's like my sister still really
Speaker 2: loves mean girls, and so it was like really cute.
Speaker 2: And I followed him and his friend on Instagram and
Speaker 2: he's a like an artist.
Speaker 4: He makes sculptures and they're really cool. So it's really exciting.
Speaker 1: That's so funny because I was just yesterday I ran
Speaker 1: across an email from like some old mom I babysat for,
Speaker 1: just when I was like searching for something else. It
Speaker 1: was like, I wonder what those kids are up too,
Speaker 1: Like so many kids I baby step for are grown
Speaker 1: adults now, and I wonder what they're like. But that's crazy.
Speaker 1: I cannot believe because I'm curious what all these kids
Speaker 1: thought of me. You know, like, yes, I loved well
Speaker 1: your Your reference to ballet obviously made me think of
Speaker 1: Oscar and I wanted to tell you that it was
Speaker 1: ballet going he's he actually said the other day, because
Speaker 1: you know he's in a. It's in a it's a
Speaker 1: combo hip hop ballet, he goes. I don't really like
Speaker 1: the moves for ballet. I like the moves for hip hop.
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, dog I guess you're gonna
Speaker 1: be a hip hop dancer.
Speaker 4: But so is there hip hop classes?
Speaker 1: Well yes, but this is a this is a half
Speaker 1: and half that he's in right now, so he half
Speaker 1: the classes ballet and like then he does hip hop,
Speaker 1: but it's it's very light hip hop, like they're doing
Speaker 1: K pop Demon Hunters. But he has decided on his
Speaker 1: Halloween costume and hold on, I want to send you
Speaker 1: the link in the chat because he like he was
Speaker 1: going back and forth between being the different K pop
Speaker 1: Demon Hunters, but now he's gonna be Glinda from Wicked.
Speaker 1: And the thing is, though, he spotted the costume that's
Speaker 1: from for Good, so no one's gonna know who he is. Really,
Speaker 1: He's just gonna look like a princess, which is fine,
Speaker 1: but like you can't explain that to Licophore. It's like, hey,
Speaker 1: this is actually like the sequel that's like not out yet,
Speaker 1: you know, but it doesn't like the pink dress. Maybe
Speaker 1: I should show it to him as an option and
Speaker 1: be like you, this is from Wicked. This is from
Speaker 1: you know, the first one, because he really likes this
Speaker 1: purple one and we've already bought him sparkily crocs to
Speaker 1: go with it, and he's like, and I have a
Speaker 1: crown that matches it, And I go, what crown? And
Speaker 1: this morning he goes, want me to show you the
Speaker 1: crown and he had it, he pulled it out. I go,
Speaker 1: you're right, that matches perfectly. So now all I'd have
Speaker 1: to get him is this and then like a scepter.
Speaker 4: So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's just gonna I'm also like,
Speaker 1: I'm also just like low key nervous that he's gonna
Speaker 1: get a lot of kids. It's gonna be the first
Speaker 1: time that kids at school are gonna go, why are
Speaker 1: you dressed like a Why are you dressed like a girl?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Because he wears that stuff
Speaker 1: around the house. No one has ever said anything to
Speaker 1: me wears it. What do you think what do you
Speaker 1: think his response will be.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like he is such a weird, like
Speaker 1: intuitive dude. I'm just kind of like, I wonder if
Speaker 1: he's gonna be like, yeah, no, And I said, so
Speaker 1: you're gonna wear this to school? I was like, this
Speaker 1: is what you're gonna wear for the parade, And everyone
Speaker 1: at school is gonna is gonna ask you who you are,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna say I'm Glinda, and he's like yep, yep,
Speaker 1: Like he's so excited about it. So I'm like, great,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm like, but I just like I have
Speaker 1: really been.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be the moment that changes his life forever.
Speaker 1: I've been at his school before and heard kids go, yo, bro,
Speaker 1: that's gay, and I've literally shot looks to fourth grade kids,
Speaker 1: and so I'm just making sure. I'm just like, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm just like tentative of like I hope no one
Speaker 1: says anything mean to him, you know, but he is
Speaker 1: four and he's.
Speaker 4: Gonna they might. But he also seems like he's above it.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I know, he's probably like not gonna give a fuck
Speaker 1: to be honest, Like I hope.
Speaker 2: So, but he needs to pick a costume of a
Speaker 2: movie that's been out already. That's the big problem. The
Speaker 2: dress doesn't matter. It's like, bitch, the movie's not out,
Speaker 2: you can't I know. But he just saw it and
Speaker 2: he like loves the purple, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: he could just have the dress.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because if he wears the little if he wears
Speaker 1: the pink one. Dude, there's the consumerism is crazy. There's
Speaker 1: like an oz dust ballroom Glinda outfit, like I don't
Speaker 1: even remember what she was fucking wearing. There's a little
Speaker 1: stripey number that she wears when they all get there.
Speaker 1: There's and then there's the pink one, and it's like wild.
Speaker 1: There's so many costumes and they make the Glinda one
Speaker 1: for adults. I almost accidentally bought him an adult one yesterday.
Speaker 4: Are you guys dressing up or are you doing? I
Speaker 4: think we like to do.
Speaker 1: I think we have to because we're doing a trunk
Speaker 1: or treat for our kids' school. So it will depend
Speaker 1: on what the theme of the car is, like you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, if we do like a Pokemon car,
Speaker 1: we might like dress up like that because it's the
Speaker 1: parents are running it. So we'll see, we will see.
Speaker 1: I you know, I'm normally throw something together at the
Speaker 1: last minute, menuto, so we'll see what happens. I do
Speaker 1: love our listener down in Orlando who gave me this
Speaker 1: beautiful blonde wig that it feels like that dictates a
Speaker 1: lot of my I'm like, okay, I'm Dolly this year,
Speaker 1: or like I feel like I could be tricksy, Like
Speaker 1: I don't know, this wig kind of works for like
Speaker 1: any big blonde characters.
Speaker 4: What are you gonna be something?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm performing in Baltimore, so you guys will
Speaker 2: see I'm gonna wear a different costume every night. Oh wait,
Speaker 2: what's the venue in Baltimore. I'm playing the Port Comedy Club.
Speaker 2: I was their last time. It's sam by the water Town. Okay,
Speaker 2: I was. It's gonna be fun.
Speaker 1: I was like, please don't say Magoobi's House of Joke
Speaker 1: because it's just that the name of that place kills me.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna wear a costume Friday and one Saturday.
Speaker 2: But I did buy them from Dolskill. So they're the
Speaker 2: shortest sluttiest things I've ever worn. But I will be
Speaker 2: wearing them at the show.
Speaker 1: Oh so you're not gonna say You're not going to
Speaker 1: say this is for Baltimore.
Speaker 4: I know, I kind of wanted to be surprised. I
Speaker 4: guess it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: No, say after say after you can tell me off
Speaker 1: Mic and tell them after Sorry, you got to go
Speaker 1: to Baltimore if you want to see what slutty outfits
Speaker 1: Lisa's being I hope you're being like a slutty laboo boo.
Speaker 4: That'll be kind of funny, all right.
Speaker 1: Well, if you want to know more of Lisa's dates,
Speaker 1: go to That's Messed Up Live.
Speaker 2: Tell your friends in the Amsterdam, Paris, Dublin, London come
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Speaker 1: catch Lisa live on the road.
Speaker 2: I'm rehauling my internet presence I'm doing. I'm using this
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Speaker 2: Just go to my bio. Please come see me live.
Speaker 1: Go to the Glitter Cheese Instagram bio. That is where
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Speaker 4: It's cute.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of like people that are like have
Speaker 1: followed her for a while. Or have followed that's messed
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Speaker 1: cute little it's a cute little community.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: So speaking of community, I'm walking, I'm walking the streets
Speaker 2: and I see a Corgi that is like the ansomous
Speaker 2: little boy, like with such a pepinist step. Like I
Speaker 2: am looking at this Corgi being like, wow, what a
Speaker 2: happy little guy.
Speaker 4: And the woman walking the corky goes glitter cheese and
Speaker 4: is a listener of the pod.
Speaker 2: So, oh my god, shout out, I recognize each other. Well, no,
Speaker 2: I just was like a fan of the corgy. But
Speaker 2: she was great and she was going to a dog bar.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna start going to this dog bar.
Speaker 1: Oh hell yeah, that sounds like a great a great
Speaker 1: way to meet new friends, I'd say too. Uh, not
Speaker 1: that you need new friends, but the people that are
Speaker 1: hanging out at a dog bar, I will say. Because
Speaker 1: you were asking if we got any suggestions for merch,
Speaker 1: somebody did write in and go, why don't you call
Speaker 1: your listeners badge bunnies? And I'm like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Those are people who want to fuck cops, Like, I
Speaker 1: don't think we can do that.
Speaker 4: It's cute. We like the name. We love a badge bunny.
Speaker 1: I just don't think that most of you are actual
Speaker 1: badge bunnies. You know. No, they're not messy bitches. Should
Speaker 1: that be what our girls are called? Because messed up
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Speaker 1: Wait wait, there's a show coming to New York called
Speaker 1: Messy White Gaze and I saw it.
Speaker 4: This is not a paid advertisement.
Speaker 1: I saw a staged reading of it at Dynasty in
Speaker 1: LA like literally the actors holding scripts and I was dying.
Speaker 1: I mean they're not sitting down. They were acting it
Speaker 1: out but holding their scripts. And it was so fucking funny.
Speaker 1: And it's in New York. Go see it, you guys.
Speaker 1: Drew Drogi from the Mind of Drew Drogi one of
Speaker 1: my faves. So funny, go see it. It's like a
Speaker 1: fucking hilarious, like murder mystery with a bunch of like
Speaker 1: gays at brunch.
Speaker 2: Speaking of I wonder if okay, So, so you know,
Speaker 2: I like all my fucking movie games. So someone messaged
Speaker 2: me and went, I bet this movie is good for
Speaker 2: your movie game. It's star studded and it just got
Speaker 2: on Amazon and it's called The Ten but it's Ken
Speaker 2: Marino and David Wayne wrote it and it's their set.
Speaker 2: The movie right after wet hot American Summer, and it's
Speaker 2: about the Ten Commandments. It's a bunch of short movies
Speaker 2: about the Ten Commandments. Paul Rudwinona Rider, Jessica albak Ettion Well,
Speaker 2: John Hamm, my friend, Oh my god, Leave Schreiber, Adam Brody.
Speaker 4: It's like Star stud Ashida Jones, I mean.
Speaker 2: Justin Thireau, like Jason Sudacas, Joe la Truglio, Oliver Platt.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 2: It keeps going and going, and I really really liked it.
Speaker 2: Geni Garoffalo and I wonder if you would like it
Speaker 2: because it's wet hot American humor. It's so it's really
Speaker 2: fucking funny. And he said it was impurgatory and unable
Speaker 2: to be released for years, and now it's on Amazon
Speaker 2: and I watched it and I really liked it.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna watch I'm gonna see I Jared. I'll
Speaker 1: I'll watch this with Jared because I bet he'll love
Speaker 1: it too. All right, let's get started. Longest intro ever
Speaker 1: uh and uh, yeah, we've got a great episode for
Speaker 1: you guys. Don't go anywhere, Okay, we I'm excited about
Speaker 1: this one. This one is definitely lodged in my brain
Speaker 1: as one of my early s few episodes. But we
Speaker 1: are doing episode an episode from season one episode ten
Speaker 1: called Closure Part one, and then we're also going to
Speaker 1: do Closure Part two, which is season two episode three.
Speaker 1: These episodes came out one in January and one in
Speaker 1: November of the year two thousand, so an eleven month,
Speaker 1: like you know, laps in terms of viewers.
Speaker 4: And we've never done an episode that I don't think.
Speaker 1: I guess we did cover Born Psychopath and like Postgraduate Psychopath,
Speaker 1: which had like a ten year spam, but this is
Speaker 1: the only one that has like a little time jump
Speaker 1: that we're doing in the same episode. So it's I
Speaker 1: think it's kind of fun and I love a season
Speaker 1: one episode. So we open on a blonde with wet
Speaker 1: hair sitting in her bedroom smoking a sig. It's kind
Speaker 1: of giving Carrie Bradshaw, but this is SVU, so I
Speaker 1: don't think she's overthinking a comment for mister Big like
Speaker 1: it's not good. There's a timestamp that reads eleven seventeen
Speaker 1: PM and she up her landline.
Speaker 4: It's like this.
Speaker 1: Big ass brick landline phone from two thousand and she
Speaker 1: slowly dials nine to one one. We can see there's
Speaker 1: a big bruise on her cheek when the camera kind
Speaker 1: of pans around to her other side and she tells
Speaker 1: the operator, I've just been raped. Cut to a pile
Speaker 1: of clothes on the floor with a beeper going off,
Speaker 1: and who reaches for it but the beeper king himself
Speaker 1: Dennis Duffy aka Detective Brian Cassidy aka New York Magazine
Speaker 1: cover boy Dean Winters, and he's in bed with Benson.
Speaker 1: It's like, this is everything Casey forgot. He's not muted
Speaker 1: and just gave us a big woo. I love that
Speaker 1: so much. It was a ercle sexual No, keep it in,
Speaker 1: I want it. Casey was like.
Speaker 2: Nah uh he yes, yeah, seeing them in bed together.
Speaker 2: We've never seen Benson in bed again with anyone.
Speaker 4: Well, I said that we don't see her after we
Speaker 4: saw her in a shower towel.
Speaker 1: No, but we see her in bed in season twenty
Speaker 1: three when she has after having sex with Aiden Quinn's character,
Speaker 1: who we hate because he groomed her as a teen, yeah,
Speaker 1: and like that's that's happening. Yeah, yeah, Like but it's
Speaker 1: twenty three seasons later they're like, all right, let's put
Speaker 1: her in bed again, you know.
Speaker 4: But like that, we.
Speaker 1: Don't get any like sexy stuff we see or maybe
Speaker 1: leaving a date we have her like you know, getting
Speaker 1: a kiss on a forehead from Tucker. Like we do
Speaker 1: not see her actively like naked implications of nudity. I mean,
Speaker 1: she's like not wearing a shirt for sure.
Speaker 2: And not to give too much away, but you know,
Speaker 2: he's obsessed and she's like, theybe I used you for
Speaker 2: sev eight, Get out of my face.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So they're both like kind of scrambling whose beeper is it.
Speaker 1: I'm also noticing when Cassidy reaches for the pager that
Speaker 1: I see a tattoo of like a long horn or
Speaker 1: it might be a long horn skull, but it's like
Speaker 1: it's on his I think it's a long horn. It's
Speaker 1: like some kind of cow with big horns, and it's
Speaker 1: on his arm. And then there's also a long horned
Speaker 1: skull hanging on the wall of their apartment when him
Speaker 1: live eventually move in together. Like many seasons later, So
Speaker 1: what's the story? Like, I don't think that he's he's
Speaker 1: like from New York. Like, I don't know if there's
Speaker 1: like a Texas connection with this man. But he's got
Speaker 1: a tattoo. Maybe it's like Dean Winters actually has that tattoo.
Speaker 1: Like it's like they have to work in uh maloney's tattoos.
Speaker 1: But anyway, I just clocked the Longhorn. I'd like to
Speaker 1: know what's going on there.
Speaker 4: Anyway. It's Benson's beeper.
Speaker 1: Going off and she's like, gotta go, and he's like
Speaker 1: that was incredible and she's like, don't get used to
Speaker 1: it while she ties a robe on and then boom.
Speaker 1: It's the credits, the most concise cold open of all time,
Speaker 1: exactly one minute, including in the criminal justice system, like
Speaker 1: so concise, and then the gang in the opening credits
Speaker 1: in season one is only Benson, Stabler, Cragan, and Belzer,
Speaker 1: a skeleton crew Jeffries.
Speaker 4: Isn't there no one else?
Speaker 1: So now Live is at the er at the top
Speaker 1: of act one and the timestamp is twelve forty two
Speaker 1: and she meets Harper Anderson played by Tracy Pollin, who
Speaker 1: she's an actress. She was on Family Ties in the eighties,
Speaker 1: and there she met Michael J. Fox, and she's been
Speaker 1: married to Michael J. Fox ever since the meeting him there.
Speaker 1: But then a lot of what I read about her
Speaker 1: said she took a step back to concentrate on her
Speaker 1: marriage and her children and whatever. She's acted on and
Speaker 1: off since then. She was actually nominated for an Emmy
Speaker 1: for this performance. She doesn't win, but she's nominated for
Speaker 1: a Guest Actor Emmy. And I was looking at her IMDb.
Speaker 1: She's played Natalie Holloway's mom twice in two separate movies,
Speaker 1: and she's in an episode of Inventing She's in an
Speaker 1: episode of Inventing Anna, which is like a recent thing
Speaker 1: that I think a lot of people have seen. And
Speaker 1: she has a TV holiday movie coming out soon. It
Speaker 1: seems so she dabbles, okay, but I think she's great
Speaker 1: in this episode, worth the nom She's been waiting for
Speaker 1: forty five minutes in the hospital. She just wants Benson
Speaker 1: to call her Harper and like talk to her like
Speaker 1: a person. She briefly describes her assaults as he grabbed
Speaker 1: her ankles, her wrists, hit her in the face, vaginally
Speaker 1: penetrated her, finished on her stomach and then wiped it
Speaker 1: off with one of her shirts, and then he made
Speaker 1: her take a shower, and then Benson has to go
Speaker 1: like convince a doctor to give her a rape kit.
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm busy, and she's like, are they stable? Okay,
Speaker 1: let's get to the rape kit. So you could tell
Speaker 1: even from season one, like whether it was Benson or
Speaker 1: Mrshca Hargeta, I don't know who was like first at
Speaker 1: this what like getting rape kits done and eventually processed
Speaker 1: was like a passion of the character and the person
Speaker 1: and the actor in real life. So we see all
Speaker 1: the photos being taken of the injuries, the oral swab,
Speaker 1: et cetera.
Speaker 4: Rape kits, Chiller like, I don't get it. There's gotta
Speaker 4: be a better way.
Speaker 1: I mean that member we read about the woman that
Speaker 1: tried to do at home rape kits, It's like those
Speaker 1: are never going to survive chain of custody. But the
Speaker 1: timestamp is now one oh three am, and you know
Speaker 1: they're trying to take us through. This is the tenth
Speaker 1: episode to the show ever, so like even though we've
Speaker 1: seen this many many other times before, this is the
Speaker 1: first time we're seeing them do an episode like this
Speaker 1: where this is like the night in the life of
Speaker 1: a victim of sexual assault, like which I think we
Speaker 1: have to show respect for them doing this.
Speaker 4: This is two thousand, like a bunch of shows weren't
Speaker 4: doing that.
Speaker 2: And it's a slow, work paced episode, Like it's definitely different.
Speaker 2: I wonder if they had pushed you know, it's like
Speaker 2: it's not a bottle of it, but it's different. It's
Speaker 2: like different paste than a lot of s you yes,
Speaker 2: and the rape Kits scene is longer than most I
Speaker 2: would say, though, is just shann Asassman episode Yeah with
Speaker 2: the gray that like really takes you through it, but
Speaker 2: it's it's it's.
Speaker 4: A long scene.
Speaker 1: Jennifer Love Hewett episode Behave, Like I think they take
Speaker 1: you through it, like you know, they take you through
Speaker 1: it a lot to show you because I think the
Speaker 1: show's goal has always been to like show that when
Speaker 1: people are like just report it, go to the hospital,
Speaker 1: it's like, look at what everybody has to go through, Like,
Speaker 1: look at what you have to go through this like
Speaker 1: invasive exam after it's hours after you've just been assaulted,
Speaker 1: and there's a doctor that barely wants to do it,
Speaker 1: and you know what I mean, so anyway, I think
Speaker 1: this is probably one of the first times a television
Speaker 1: show on mainstream like network TV is showing this is
Speaker 1: what a rape victim goes through.
Speaker 4: Like maybe they did something like this on ER.
Speaker 1: I'm not like an ER completist, but this is you know,
Speaker 1: they're doing it here, and I think it's like, we
Speaker 1: got to give them props because it's twenty twenty five
Speaker 1: years have gone by and not as much has changed
Speaker 1: in the world of sexual assaults as we would have hoped.
Speaker 1: But they're doing what they can. At SVU. As the
Speaker 1: doctor's doing the vaginal swab on Harper, Benson's like, okay,
Speaker 1: well we need a UV light to look for the
Speaker 1: semen on her stomach and the doctor's like, yeah, we
Speaker 1: don't have it. And they go back and forth being like, no,
Speaker 1: it looks like this and I know what it is,
Speaker 1: but we don't have it, and like Harper's like, oh,
Speaker 1: Like she gets really irritated cause it's like you're kind
Speaker 1: of talking about her, like she's not there and that
Speaker 1: it's just like this piece of equipment that you need,
Speaker 1: and you know you can tell that it's like upsetting her.
Speaker 1: So anyway, two eleven am, the doctor gives her a
Speaker 1: pill to prevent pregs and see, don't forget you could
Speaker 1: get pregnant. She has to take more of this, more
Speaker 1: pills later than they tell her STD test results. We
Speaker 1: back in twenty four hours. Don't forget you could get
Speaker 1: an STD. Then she has to retest in three months,
Speaker 1: and then in six months because it could take that
Speaker 1: long for an STD to show up. This isn't going
Speaker 1: to just be over after you tell the police and
Speaker 1: they go grab the guy you know.
Speaker 4: Live tells her like, don't worry.
Speaker 1: The state pays for all this, and Live needs her
Speaker 1: formal statement, and she's like, but we could do it
Speaker 1: tomorrow if you want. And Harper's like, I want this
Speaker 1: to be over with, So they go down to the station.
Speaker 1: Stabler is now talking to the doctor who tells her
Speaker 1: there's no real signs of trauma and like the blow
Speaker 1: to her face could have been much worse, and it's
Speaker 1: like and he goes the guy used as little force
Speaker 1: as possible and explains to Stabler, like how he made
Speaker 1: her shower, so the chances of DNA are slim so
Speaker 1: and it's like any punch in the face.
Speaker 2: Could be worse. What are you talking about. It's like
Speaker 2: anyone can game into our home. It's like, t like,
Speaker 2: why are you downplaying a thing? Yeah, to do the
Speaker 2: punch to her face could be worse.
Speaker 1: She got punched in the face, like, yeah, her face
Speaker 1: be ripped off, Like could There's a million ways anything
Speaker 1: could be worse, you know. But then Harper had earlier
Speaker 1: mentioned that she had a uniform police officer with her,
Speaker 1: but he wasn't with her when Benson walked up because
Speaker 1: she found him annoying and sent him to the cafeteria.
Speaker 1: So no, that UNI comes back and Stabler's like, never
Speaker 1: leave a rape victim alone. I don't care what she says.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, she did hate you, so I don't know.
Speaker 1: And then the UNI's like, I'll vouch for the rape kit.
Speaker 1: Benson and Stable are going to get her statement. So
Speaker 1: now there are three forty five and we're in wood
Speaker 1: room blinds with Harper. She's like, there was a street
Speaker 1: fair outside my apartment, so I put earplugs in and
Speaker 1: I think that this all happened on Halloween because we
Speaker 1: find out later it was a Halloween parade and she
Speaker 1: woke up to a guy standing there staring at her.
Speaker 1: He told her to shut his her eyes and said
Speaker 1: he had a gun. She said, it happened so slowly,
Speaker 1: like sometimes people are like it all happened so fast,
Speaker 1: and she's like, it happened so slowly, like she looked
Speaker 1: at the clock, and she said, the whole thing took
Speaker 1: forty two minutes, which actually I thought was like the
Speaker 1: entire assault, and I was like, oh my god, no,
Speaker 1: But it's like from the time he came in to
Speaker 1: the time he left, it was forty two minutes. He
Speaker 1: took her nightgown and shoved it over her head, but
Speaker 1: like kept it there so that it was like stuck
Speaker 1: and she couldn't see. And then he took her ring.
Speaker 1: He tried to kiss her. She jerked away. That's when
Speaker 1: he hit her. She starts in with the regrets, like
Speaker 1: I should have kicked him, I should have run, and
Speaker 1: lives like obviously doing her thing, where she's like, you
Speaker 1: couldn't have done any of that if he had a gun, Like,
Speaker 1: don't you know she has so many details like that,
Speaker 1: you remember, She's like he thrust five times and he said,
Speaker 1: is this how you like it?
Speaker 4: And then he, you know, ejaculated on her.
Speaker 1: Stomach, and then he made her shower and he said
Speaker 1: please when he was having her get in the shower,
Speaker 1: and like the whole time she walked to the bathroom,
Speaker 1: she says, her arms are still over her head, like
Speaker 1: trapped in her nightgown. And then he ran the water,
Speaker 1: asked her if it was too hot, adjusted it so
Speaker 1: that it was right, and then he took off her
Speaker 1: nightgown and he washed her, told her she had pretty hair,
Speaker 1: touched her stomach, touched every thing, she says, and then
Speaker 1: handed her a towel and a robe and told her
Speaker 1: to get on the floor and look away and count
Speaker 1: to twenty. And she said, I'm not going to insult
Speaker 1: you by asking you not to call the police. And
Speaker 1: then she goes, thoughtful, wasn't it. So now it's four
Speaker 1: thirty six am and Harper has a boyfriend and he
Speaker 1: doesn't have keys to her place, but she has keys
Speaker 1: to his interesting and then she tells She tells them, well,
Speaker 1: I never saw the gun, but he held it to
Speaker 1: my head when he caught me looking at him in
Speaker 1: the shower. And then she describes him tall, thin, white
Speaker 1: sandy hair, cold eyes, how tall, tallish age and she goes,
Speaker 1: my age. You know, she goes someone I he looked
Speaker 1: like someone I would know, like someone I would hang
Speaker 1: out with, but she didn't know him. And they're like,
Speaker 1: anything weird happened lately, Like strangers in your neighborhood, weird
Speaker 1: phone calls. She's like, no, nothing like that. This guy
Speaker 1: like wasn't nervous. He was you know, he didn't seem
Speaker 1: like he was fumbling or anything. He was also wearing
Speaker 1: cologne and she said it was subtle, not she stuff.
Speaker 1: And she said she could absolutely identify him in a lineup.
Speaker 4: And this is.
Speaker 1: A man now who she's seen him like, she saw
Speaker 1: him and he's not wearing a mask. She's seen him
Speaker 1: standing over her bed. Then she doesn't see him for
Speaker 1: a while. Then she sneaks a peek in the shower,
Speaker 1: but she has seen him. And so five oh one
Speaker 1: am Harper is describing the ring that he took. It
Speaker 1: was her grandma's. It was very rare, platinum branch with
Speaker 1: diamond leaves. And he took her wallet as well, and
Speaker 1: he must have taken the T shirt that he used
Speaker 1: to clean up the.
Speaker 4: Jizz on her stomach, and then it was her. It
Speaker 4: took you a second to figure out what word you
Speaker 4: are going to use in there. I know jizz I picked.
Speaker 1: Jizz I'm sorry I chose jizz I chose violence. And
Speaker 1: then she said it was her Rosie the Riveter t shirt,
Speaker 1: which is kind of like a sad irony that like,
Speaker 1: Rosie the Riveter is like, we can do it, and
Speaker 1: that's like the shirt he uses to like clean up
Speaker 1: the aftermath of him violating her. But it was also
Speaker 1: Rosie the Riveter was Rosi's first Halloween costume and it.
Speaker 4: Was really cute anyway.
Speaker 1: Five point nine we find out that Harper waits tables
Speaker 1: and when then's table asks her what laundromat she uses,
Speaker 1: she like at this point, she like puts her head
Speaker 1: on the table and she's sighing, like she looks so tired.
Speaker 1: She's like, my laundromat, Like what are we Like? They're
Speaker 1: combing through every detail of her life, Like she has
Speaker 1: now been poked, prodded and questioned for six hours. So
Speaker 1: now it's six thirteen in the morning. They are finally done.
Speaker 1: She's gonna have them take her to her boyfriends. She
Speaker 1: hasn't even told him yet. She doesn't know what to say.
Speaker 1: Seven or one.
Speaker 2: Books too, and it's kind of in the real crime too,
Speaker 2: but that like the people around you don't know how
Speaker 2: to deal with it or like yeah, of course you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah awful. That's why it's annoying when it's like all
Speaker 2: about the guy's future, not about the victims.
Speaker 4: It's like so like Fox.
Speaker 1: You up, yeah, yeah, yeah, the whole the whole thing
Speaker 1: is very dehumanizing from start to finish.
Speaker 4: And I mean, I also wish there was a better way.
Speaker 1: Uh So at seven oh one, Live walks Harper up
Speaker 1: to her boyfriend's door and is like, Okay, we're going
Speaker 1: to go search your apartment. The state's going to pay
Speaker 1: to change the locks. A counselor is going to call
Speaker 1: to set up an appointment. She gives Harper her page
Speaker 1: your number and says call any time day or night.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if I'm midfuck with Cassidy. This bitch
Speaker 1: is going to answer, you know. Harper smiles at Live
Speaker 1: before she goes inside, like obviously, like you know, it's
Speaker 1: only the tenth episode, but Live has a connection with
Speaker 1: the victims, and she's going to for the next twenty
Speaker 1: thirty years at Harper's apartment. Now, Stabler and Cassidy are
Speaker 1: already at work. The perp got in through a window
Speaker 1: on the fire escape and it looks like the lock
Speaker 1: has been busted for a long time, and they start
Speaker 1: going through the timeline and immediately you want to kill
Speaker 1: both of these men. Okay, they're like, all right, if
Speaker 1: her nightgown's over her head, how did she see the clock?
Speaker 1: And Benson's like before the nightgown? Like what, like this
Speaker 1: is not hard. Then they find like a half smoked
Speaker 1: joint and suddenly Cassidy and Stabler thinks she got high
Speaker 1: with her rapist before it all happened like, and they're like, well,
Speaker 1: she didn't ment in the pot at all, and it's
Speaker 1: like case closed.
Speaker 4: She made it up.
Speaker 1: She didn't mention smoking a joint, so she's making it
Speaker 1: up and they think maybe he They haven't found her underwear,
Speaker 1: so they think maybe like he kept it as a trophy.
Speaker 1: But then in the bathroom, lives like, well the curtain's wet,
Speaker 1: and Cassidy goes but the soap isn't and lives like, no,
Speaker 1: I know where you're going with this and you're wrong,
Speaker 1: and he goes, come on, you know, this is what
Speaker 1: happens with staged rapes. Women will wet the shower curtain
Speaker 1: but not the soap. And I'm like, do all women
Speaker 1: take a shower after a staged rape? I guess if
Speaker 1: you were actually staging a rape, you would, because you
Speaker 1: would like want to say that that's why there was
Speaker 1: no DNA, but like, I don't know, I don't think
Speaker 1: that this is a smoking gun. Yah, it's not a
Speaker 1: smoking gun of any kind. And then Cassidy puts a
Speaker 1: curling iron up to Live's head and goes, what does
Speaker 1: this feel like? And she goes a curling iron, he
Speaker 1: goes a gun. I don't get what you are trying
Speaker 1: to prove. If she thought it was a gun, it
Speaker 1: was a gun in her head and she was terrified.
Speaker 1: Like whether he was faking the gun or not has
Speaker 1: nothing to do with Harper. And so they're all like stablers,
Speaker 1: like no seminal fluid, no vaginal trauma. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: so because he wasn't as rough as possible during this
Speaker 1: sexual assault, he could get away with it. Like what
Speaker 1: are we talking about?
Speaker 2: I just don't get how that's even, Like that's like
Speaker 2: thousands of years of conditioning and brain stormy, Like why
Speaker 2: would your instinct always be the question of victim of assault.
Speaker 4: Yeah, or you wouldn't in any other crime. It's like yeah,
Speaker 4: and you're the detectives that are supposed to do it, Like,
Speaker 4: I don't know what you see. It happen all the time,
Speaker 4: so why are you shocked?
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's like if you walked into a robbery victim's
Speaker 1: house and they still had something expensive there and you're like, well,
Speaker 1: they didn't take this. This might be right, this might be staged.
Speaker 1: Like it's like all bad, it's all bad faith. So
Speaker 1: there are stablers like no semen, no vaginal trauma. And
Speaker 1: Cassidy's like maybe she was high and paranoid, it's like,
Speaker 1: and spent seven hours describing it in detail, and Live goes, well,
Speaker 1: this morning she said she felt like it never happened.
Speaker 1: Is that what you wanted to hear? And goes no,
Speaker 1: but maybe that's the truth. So you know, fuck Cassidy.
Speaker 1: And he's not getting any points with Benson. I'll say
Speaker 1: that after they just woke up from fucking earlier. So
Speaker 1: at the precinct, Cassidy's eating Halloween candy out of a
Speaker 1: little Halloween bucket, little pumpkin bucket and explaining why it's
Speaker 1: his job to doubt rape victims, and Craigan insists, well,
Speaker 1: for now, it's an open case and we got to
Speaker 1: work it.
Speaker 4: So no fingerprints, no DNA.
Speaker 1: This guy's five eight, white, sandy haired, right handed, so
Speaker 1: very not specific, like you know, that's many men in
Speaker 1: the city, many men anywhere. He smelled rich, is what
Speaker 1: Benson adds. Let's check his mo against other cases. This
Speaker 1: guy asked her if she liked it, said please. In
Speaker 1: his fantasy, he's the perfect gentleman. So they're gonna check
Speaker 1: pawn shops and vendors at the Halloween carnival. Check pawn
Speaker 1: shops for the ring, check vendors at the Halloween carnival
Speaker 1: for like people who have priors I don't know. And
Speaker 1: then Craigan tells liv you got to ask Harper about
Speaker 1: the pot. And then he's like, the pot makes me
Speaker 1: nervous and lives annoyed. She's like, we're not gonna bust
Speaker 1: her on that, like and this is so two thousand,
Speaker 1: Like pot is so much more not an issue now,
Speaker 1: but like in two thousand, it was still like you could.
Speaker 4: Just throw people in jail for that.
Speaker 1: So at Harper's boyfriend's place, we meet her boyfriend Benji
Speaker 1: spelled with a JY and he is played by Roger
Speaker 1: Bart who is a Tony Award winner in Tons of Stuff,
Speaker 1: and he's the freaky conservative talk show host who rapes
Speaker 1: Anna Schlumski in the episode twenty five acts that we've covered.
Speaker 1: So he's got us season one and then he's got
Speaker 1: like a way like a teen season I think later.
Speaker 1: So Benji's pissed, he wants to kill the guy who
Speaker 1: did this, and Benson's like, I think what Harper needs
Speaker 1: from you is unconditional acceptance. So now we're at Harper's
Speaker 1: restaurant and they ask her about the pot, like, of
Speaker 1: course she's at work the next day, Like, work's not
Speaker 1: going to give you time off to like process your
Speaker 1: trauma that's happened to you, at least not in the
Speaker 1: year two thousand.
Speaker 4: So why they ask her about the pot? Why didn't
Speaker 4: you mention it?
Speaker 1: And she's like, listen, smoking pot's not part of my routine,
Speaker 1: Like I had a job interview. I was just trying
Speaker 1: to mellow out. And she's very bothered by the question,
Speaker 1: and rightfully so. So now at Harper's apartment, the locksmith
Speaker 1: is changing the locks and the super is like the
Speaker 1: super goes, I mean, nothing like this ever happens in
Speaker 1: this building, Like, yeah, we found a body in a
Speaker 1: dumpster once, but never anything like this. And it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm still a body in a Dumpster's not great, you know,
Speaker 1: Like he's acting like this is like this is a
Speaker 1: classy building. But the super has no information. He hasn't
Speaker 1: seen anybody weird.
Speaker 4: He knows nothing.
Speaker 1: So now we're talking to an sbu classic, a funny
Speaker 1: old lady who didn't see anything but knows somebody who did.
Speaker 1: And she points up to an apartment across the street
Speaker 1: where we see a sketchy.
Speaker 4: Man peering out from behind a curtain.
Speaker 1: So clearly some neighborhood peeping tom that everybody knows about.
Speaker 1: And that wasn't my community back in New York, and
Speaker 1: I kind of wish it was. So they go to
Speaker 1: that guy's apartment is named Sam Lardner, and he's got
Speaker 1: three previous call ins for trespassing. I don't know if
Speaker 1: that means he ever got arrested or anything, but the
Speaker 1: cops have been called on him. He tells them, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know who Harper is, and they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: she lives on the second floor across the way, and
Speaker 1: he's like, third floor, Like he corrects them, so obviously, pervert.
Speaker 4: Says, what you know? Like they tricked him.
Speaker 1: He knows exactly where she lives, and when he sees
Speaker 1: that they might be accusing him, he admits, Okay, it
Speaker 1: wasn't me.
Speaker 4: I saw everything.
Speaker 1: I saw the guy climb the fire escape, the previous
Speaker 1: tenant broke the lock.
Speaker 4: Creepy that you know that.
Speaker 1: He describes the attack exactly as Harper describes it, and
Speaker 1: he has no answer when they ask him, why didn't
Speaker 1: you call the police, And he can't describe the purp
Speaker 1: and why because his eyes were on Harper the entire
Speaker 1: time that she was being assaulted, because he's a fucking freak.
Speaker 4: So not call for hell? I just can't. I can't.
Speaker 1: Obviously, the cops are staring at him like you're a
Speaker 1: fucking heartless freak.
Speaker 4: How could you just watch this.
Speaker 1: Woman be attacked and basically get a boner and not
Speaker 1: call anyone?
Speaker 4: And he's like, what are you gonna do to me?
Speaker 1: And Benson goes the same thing you did for her
Speaker 1: and turns around, We're gonna do fucking nothing to you.
Speaker 4: You're not worth our time.
Speaker 1: But back at the house, Craigan asks the gang if
Speaker 1: Harper seems like the kind of gal who would buy
Speaker 1: five hundred dollars of hand packed meats, and done done,
Speaker 1: someone has used her credit card. So Munch brings in
Speaker 1: the perp and looky, looky, who it is. It's Baby
Speaker 1: McGrath aka Terry Serpico, friend.
Speaker 4: Of the pod who we just had last week. We
Speaker 4: did not mean to back.
Speaker 1: To back his Baby Days episodes, but we did. As
Speaker 1: they're hauling Baby McGrath off to an interrogation room, Cassidy
Speaker 1: has a like you left your scrunchy at my place
Speaker 1: moment with live and like hands her her watch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like a it's like a it's a watch. But
Speaker 1: she's like put she goes, oh yeah, thanks, and like
Speaker 1: puts it on and you could tell she does not
Speaker 1: want to talk to him, and he shoots a shop
Speaker 1: for another date and she's like, babe, we went to Maloney's.
Speaker 4: We got drunk.
Speaker 1: I wanted it to happen as much as you did,
Speaker 1: but that's all I wanted to happen.
Speaker 4: And he's like, is this because I doubted a rape victim?
Speaker 4: And he's like.
Speaker 1: He's like that was the job that is a personal
Speaker 1: and live goes you know what. Neither was last night
Speaker 1: and I'm shivering. That is so cold. It is so
Speaker 1: cold and so good.
Speaker 2: And then I had like a consent moment in to
Speaker 2: you both wanted like, yeah, I like sex.
Speaker 1: I'm a grown woman. I wanted to bang you. But
Speaker 1: like you know, we find out. I mean, like so
Speaker 1: in the next scene, Stable and Benson are at their lockers,
Speaker 1: which I think we see some of these lockers at
Speaker 1: the very beginning and like never again, but there is
Speaker 1: a locker.
Speaker 4: That's also lockers.
Speaker 2: Also like change located, like sometimes they're just right in
Speaker 2: the middle of the pre stasm of the are the
Speaker 2: side room.
Speaker 1: Sometimes they have it in the crib, like the rumin
Speaker 1: Sleep has lockers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's very confusing, but at this point and I like
Speaker 1: the early season room the most. Like the squad room.
Speaker 1: I like it so much. I like the ringing of
Speaker 1: the phones, I like the click clack of the typewriter paper.
Speaker 1: I like the like the big paper stacked up on
Speaker 1: the desks, like the regular corkboard that like is kind
Speaker 1: of shitty and not like nothing is electronic yet, you know, like,
Speaker 1: I get it, we got to evolve with the times.
Speaker 1: But like, I love the squadroom. I think that's why
Speaker 1: they did it at the Emmys. They made like an
Speaker 1: old ass squadroom with like a fan, you know, to
Speaker 1: make like people remember.
Speaker 4: Like you love this. So the lockers are iconic, but
Speaker 4: like you don't see that.
Speaker 1: But there is one that says brisco And I'm like,
Speaker 1: is that Kenny Briscoe the son who is in one episode?
Speaker 4: Because I don't think that.
Speaker 1: I don't think that the other law and Order people
Speaker 1: work out of the same precinct the ones from Regular, Right,
Speaker 1: they're different people.
Speaker 4: I don't know yahing about Regular, Like it really ends
Speaker 4: with me and people always want to bond with me,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, find another friend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen a few episodes, but I couldn't even
Speaker 1: really point out any of their plots, Like I don't Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not really that's not my I'm a We're one.
Speaker 4: We're one alley Way gals.
Speaker 1: Okay, So Stabler and Benson are shooting the shit at
Speaker 1: the lockers about meat guy, and then out of nowhere,
Speaker 1: he goes, so how long you've been banging Cassidy?
Speaker 4: I mean he doesn't say it like that, but he asks.
Speaker 1: Her and she denies it and is like, no, I
Speaker 1: mean no, it's not that's not happening.
Speaker 4: Like and then finally.
Speaker 1: She gives it up and she's like, is it that obvious?
Speaker 1: And he's like, I'm your partner. We all know way
Speaker 1: too much about each other, blah blah blah, and she's
Speaker 1: like asking Stabler kind of like like what do I do?
Speaker 1: Like I didn't want it to go this far, like
Speaker 1: he wants to see me again, like I don't you know?
Speaker 1: And Stabler says, be nice, maybe even be over nice.
Speaker 1: He'll be cold, but he'll get over it. It happens,
Speaker 1: and she's like, really, I mean, I think the issue
Speaker 1: for her is not that she doesn't like like Cassidy.
Speaker 1: It's that she doesn't want to shit where she eats,
Speaker 1: Like she doesn't want to get involved.
Speaker 4: With anybody at work, which is smart.
Speaker 1: So but when you're married to the job, unfortunately, that's
Speaker 1: the only kind of person you're really going to meet.
Speaker 1: So that is who she has available for fucking. So
Speaker 1: now they're talking to the meat thief baby McGrath, and
Speaker 1: he has a long rap sheet.
Speaker 4: Benson is able, we're questioning him.
Speaker 2: And five hundred pounds did he want to start like
Speaker 2: a restaurant?
Speaker 1: I just don't get why you need that much. And
Speaker 1: they don't get into it. They don't ask him. They're
Speaker 1: not like, what were you doing with all that meat?
Speaker 1: Bro like not like just five hundred pounds? Sat like
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a barbecue.
Speaker 2: Like it's not your card, but you didn't want to
Speaker 2: start with maybe twenty pounds of meat and see what happened?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, wild.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people, though, go for big
Speaker 1: because they think if the card's going to get if
Speaker 1: it goes through, they're like, great, I got a run,
Speaker 1: because then it's eventually gonna get called in, so they
Speaker 1: don't go for small.
Speaker 4: I don't know. It's like when people I remember always
Speaker 4: hearing in New York.
Speaker 1: That when people steal credit cards, the first thing they
Speaker 1: do is they go by monthly metro cards because they're
Speaker 1: like one hundred and thirty dollars and you can just
Speaker 1: get them. You don't have to put in a pin,
Speaker 1: you don't have to sign, you just and it's like
Speaker 1: expensive and you can get it quickly. But yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: so okay, so Benson is table are questioning baby McGrath
Speaker 1: about anything but the meat, and he starts to get
Speaker 1: the idea that he starts to like they start to
Speaker 1: ask about like the rape, and he's.
Speaker 4: Like, whohahahaho, who who woa?
Speaker 1: I did not rape anybody. He goes, I was in
Speaker 1: a holding cell last night for jumping a turnstyle. Imagine that,
Speaker 1: like your life involves, just like being in jail multiple
Speaker 1: days in a row. You're like, oh, no, yesterday, I'm
Speaker 1: here now, but yesterday I was here for a different thing,
Speaker 1: like I was not committing a crime. So he's he
Speaker 1: I was in jail for holding him for jumping a turnstyle,
Speaker 1: and he's like, I found that wallet in a garbage can.
Speaker 4: There was no cash, so obviously I had to use the.
Speaker 1: Credit card by five hundred pound a met This is
Speaker 1: not weird, So they check it out. The guy's alibi
Speaker 1: checks out he was in jail. So then Harper shows
Speaker 1: up looking nervous. They called her. They didn't even ask
Speaker 1: this guy, like what's up? Where were you? He's got
Speaker 1: a very easily provable alibi, But they call Harper and go,
Speaker 1: we got the guy. So Harper shows up and she's like,
Speaker 1: is he here? And they're like, sorry, it's not him.
Speaker 1: I blame them for that. That's bullshit. You can wait
Speaker 1: until you've got more on this guy. Benson though, is like,
Speaker 1: well why are here? Here are the new keys to
Speaker 1: your apartment that the city locksmith made, and Harper's like okay,
Speaker 1: so he's still out there. And that's sort of like
Speaker 1: a done, done, sad moment. And then six months later
Speaker 1: we never see a time jump like this. There's a
Speaker 1: card that says six months later, and we never see
Speaker 1: as big of a jump like that. So interesting. Live
Speaker 1: comes into the bullpen dressed like she's going on a date. Okay,
Speaker 1: she's got a hot pink top on a skirt. Cassidy's like,
Speaker 1: you look nice, you're going out and she's like yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's like, six months ago, you didn't have time
Speaker 1: for a relationship. And she's like, come on, Bri, it's
Speaker 1: not you. It's a policy. You don't fall, and you
Speaker 1: don't fall. I wrote you don't fall asleep with someone
Speaker 1: you work with. I meant to write, you don't fall
Speaker 1: in love with someone you work with, no matter how
Speaker 1: good the sex was. And instead of just taking the
Speaker 1: compliment that the sex was good, he's like well, you know,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get married someday, and she's like, maybe I won't,
Speaker 1: and he's like, well you will, but as long as
Speaker 1: you're at this job, this marriage is going to be
Speaker 1: an affair. And it is very harsh to say that
Speaker 1: and not his place, but ultimately correct, you know, she says,
Speaker 1: you're doing this job too, I know, but eventually they
Speaker 1: get Eventually he leaves because I think he can't kind
Speaker 1: of can't take it well. He also causes a lot
Speaker 1: of problems and breaks a lot of rules. I know, yeah,
Speaker 1: does crazy shit and puts other people in danger. It's
Speaker 1: not his place to say it. Saying he kind of
Speaker 1: is correct, Like if the writers are writing his lines,
Speaker 1: they kind of are like, guess what, don't ever expect
Speaker 1: her to walk down the aisle. This woman is not
Speaker 1: like you're going to find a stable relationship because she
Speaker 1: is married to this job.
Speaker 2: So I just don't like that he's implying that she's
Speaker 2: gonna have these issues, but like, not him.
Speaker 1: Right, well like that, I think he's like I doubt
Speaker 1: rape victims, and I like treat this like a job,
Speaker 1: and you treat it like personally, you help people, like
Speaker 1: outside of work hours, and you do more.
Speaker 4: You know, I think he's kind of like, you know whatever,
Speaker 4: it's kind of a.
Speaker 1: Dig because it's not like that that's what they were
Speaker 1: talking about. It's not like she said I don't have
Speaker 1: time for a relationship because of the job. She said,
Speaker 1: I don't want to shit where I eat, like, you know,
Speaker 1: she doesn't want a relationship at work, and he's like
Speaker 1: just trying to insult her, I think, being like you're
Speaker 1: too good at your job. But anyway, Cragan gets calls
Speaker 1: Benson in and trust her to another detective, who explains
Speaker 1: to her that four days ago, a guy in this
Speaker 1: guy's precinct attacked a woman in the same zat manner
Speaker 1: as Harper's attack and used a curling iron to fake
Speaker 1: a gun the guy. The victim pulled a gun on him,
Speaker 1: but the guy ran out, and then the cops picked
Speaker 1: him up like hobbling down the street and the victim
Speaker 1: couldn't id him, and they're like, well, where is he now,
Speaker 1: And they're like, he's already out.
Speaker 4: He had a great lawyer, which is like, oh.
Speaker 1: My god, this fucking systemwhere if you have a good
Speaker 1: lawyer you can get anything done. The other detective is
Speaker 1: like yeah, it was weird. Why is this West Village
Speaker 1: guy who's got a lawyer on retainer, why is he
Speaker 1: breaking an entering? And the guy says, but this woman
Speaker 1: didn't get raped. It was just a breaking and entering thing.
Speaker 1: So this guy was wearing a mask, so he's getting better.
Speaker 1: So Liv thinks this is definitely the guy. She's like,
Speaker 1: I know it in my gut, and we've got to
Speaker 1: get Harper in here to id him. And Craigan's like, well,
Speaker 1: first I want you to go get a statement from
Speaker 1: this new victim named Jane Tyler. So Craigan says it
Speaker 1: could wait till morning, and Lives like, yeah, well rapists
Speaker 1: don't sleep, and neither do I, So she's canceling her date. Okay,
Speaker 1: Live is at I mean, proving Cassidy's point. Sadly, Live
Speaker 1: is at Jane's apartment in Tribeca, same neighborhood as Harper.
Speaker 1: This woman's face is fucked up, like huge black eye.
Speaker 1: She's explaining how she froze she couldn't pull the trigger.
Speaker 1: She also says that the guy took her father's watch
Speaker 1: that has the inscription LEO on it, her grandfather's name,
Speaker 1: so she also admits to Benson that she was in
Speaker 1: fact raped by this guy. It was not just a burglary,
Speaker 1: and while she had not told the cops that previously,
Speaker 1: she said he also ejaculated on her stomach, made her
Speaker 1: take a shower all the samemo. Benson's like, why didn't
Speaker 1: you tell the cops about the rape or the watch?
Speaker 1: And she's like, they were just in my home. They
Speaker 1: were touching everything. I just wanted them out of there.
Speaker 1: I was embarrassed, Like these are the show is really
Speaker 1: touching on all these different reactions you can have to this.
Speaker 1: Not everybody is like, yes, take me in for a
Speaker 1: rape kit so that we can bust this guy immediately,
Speaker 1: Like she just wanted She was like traumatized. She said
Speaker 1: when the cops got there, she couldn't speak. That's another
Speaker 1: reason why she didn't say a lot of the things
Speaker 1: that happened. So she also said that he said, isn't
Speaker 1: this how you like it? So she's kicking herself for
Speaker 1: not using the gun to protect herself, and Benson pulls
Speaker 1: out her classic you did the one thing you're supposed
Speaker 1: to do survive. So the next day they go to
Speaker 1: the apartment of this guy. His name is Kenneth Cleary,
Speaker 1: and he lives in a fancy ass what looks like
Speaker 1: a brownstone. His and Taylor wife comes to the door
Speaker 1: and she calls, calls Kenneth and he comes out carrying
Speaker 1: their little bowl cut five year old son, and then
Speaker 1: Benson as she's talking to them, Benson just clocks the
Speaker 1: ring and it's Harper's ring. It's like this very distinct
Speaker 1: branch with the diamond leaves. And now Cleary is an
Speaker 1: interrogation with Benson his saber and he's this guy is
Speaker 1: so gross, like immediately perfect casting.
Speaker 4: He is douche central.
Speaker 1: Okay, he's making up a story about rolling his ankle,
Speaker 1: that's why he was limping when they found him. He
Speaker 1: said he was clearing his head. And they're like at
Speaker 1: two forty five in the morning, eighteen blocks from where
Speaker 1: you live. And he's like, I got some big accounts
Speaker 1: on the brain and they're worth a lot of money.
Speaker 1: And then they accused him of, you know, raping Jane
Speaker 1: Ann Harper, and he's like, oh please, and Benson gets
Speaker 1: up close and takes a huge hit of his cologne.
Speaker 1: She's like she like really sucks it up. And then
Speaker 1: when they ask about the ring, like, where did you
Speaker 1: get the ring? He's like, I should probably.
Speaker 4: Call my lawyer. And then even though he's.
Speaker 1: Basically lawyered up, he keeps talking to them and he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I got it on the street. And she's like, oh, hey,
Speaker 1: that's a nice watch. Can I see it? And she
Speaker 1: takes it off and it's engraved with the word Leo,
Speaker 1: and he's like, oh, that's my extra astrological sign.
Speaker 4: He's got an accuse like so quickly.
Speaker 2: It's like he's a freak, Like I don't realize that's
Speaker 2: actually like a clue that you're more full of shit
Speaker 2: when you have an answer for everything.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, So he tells them, I mean because he
Speaker 1: could have said, oh, I also got this set upawn
Speaker 1: shop and it just I didn't mind the inscription, you know,
Speaker 1: like if you're really trying to cover your tracks. He
Speaker 1: tells them his jeweler is even change it that it's
Speaker 1: a name for someone. Yeah, Leonardo DiCaprio. You're a big fan.
Speaker 4: I love Leo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, uncle Leo from Seinfeld, he tells them.
Speaker 4: So anyway, he.
Speaker 1: Makes up this this freak makes up this whole story
Speaker 1: about his jewelers named TJ. He's a black guy who
Speaker 1: hangs out on the street between Canal and Mott, and
Speaker 1: Stablers goes those streets intersect, You can't be between Canal
Speaker 1: and Mott, like, dude, don't be a lying rapist. And
Speaker 1: then also not know basic New York City geography, like
Speaker 1: if you don't know what streets intersect with Canal, just
Speaker 1: be like, oh, on Canal near whatever, Like it's so
Speaker 1: weird to be like, you live in the West Village
Speaker 1: and you so don't know the geography of a few
Speaker 1: blocks away from you, Like that's not far.
Speaker 4: I think that's a weird thing to be caught lying on.
Speaker 1: But now talking to Craig and Benson's like, he smells expensive,
Speaker 1: and Craigan goes, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I
Speaker 1: ask you to smell the defendant, which is a I'd
Speaker 1: say up in the classic pantheon of crazy SVU lines.
Speaker 4: They I've seen this one before on lists the.
Speaker 1: Watch and the trophies they're explaining, and Craigan is like, well,
Speaker 1: we actually only have one victim technically, because Jane did
Speaker 1: not report her rape or the watch theft, and she
Speaker 1: couldn't even id the guy, so they won't reopen the case.
Speaker 1: It's like, are you not allowed to go amend your
Speaker 1: case and say something else happened?
Speaker 4: Like I thought you were.
Speaker 1: But they're like, well she couldn't ide him, so like
Speaker 1: they're not going to spend the man hours on this case.
Speaker 4: And Harp.
Speaker 1: They're like, Harper, will I d the ring and the
Speaker 1: creep get her down here. He has a right to
Speaker 1: a speedy arraignment, which is twenty four hours. So they
Speaker 1: go to Harper's apartment and the super lives there. Now
Speaker 1: he's like, Harper never slept here another night, So now
Speaker 1: they go find Benji, and Benji talks about how Harper
Speaker 1: fell apart after the attack. She stopped eating, lost her
Speaker 1: job because she never slept. She had to sleep with
Speaker 1: the lights on. Then he couldn't sleep, so he was
Speaker 1: getting in trouble at work. Harper couldn't sit through a movie.
Speaker 1: She started working out constantly. She would wear running shoes
Speaker 1: all the time, even to sleep. And she saw a
Speaker 1: therapist and he said she never shed a tear. He goes,
Speaker 1: we never had sex again, and he said, I think
Speaker 1: she said she broke up with me a couple months ago.
Speaker 1: So at her new place, he knows where she lives.
Speaker 1: At her new place, Harper opens the door and she's
Speaker 1: got a short haircut and a business casual outfit. So
Speaker 1: I don't know what's happened professionally, but it seems like
Speaker 1: she's joined the corporate world. And she says, I don't
Speaker 1: care what you want. Don't come here ever again, and
Speaker 1: she slams the door in their face. So wow, the
Speaker 1: friendship between her and Olivia has seemed to have dissipated
Speaker 1: in these six months. In Craigan's office, we've got Angie
Speaker 1: Harmon Akaada Abby Carmichael from regular Law and Order days.
Speaker 1: Cleary's wife alibis him as being home all night, and
Speaker 1: there are five tjs in the area that all sell electronics,
Speaker 1: not jewelry. Live wants a warrant, and She's like, I
Speaker 1: can't give you a warrant because she because lives like.
Speaker 1: If I get a warrant, we can go in, we
Speaker 1: can maybe find trophies of other victims and lives like.
Speaker 1: But Abby's like, I can't give you a warrant because
Speaker 1: you're not allowed to go on a fishing exposition.
Speaker 4: You have to go when you get a warrant.
Speaker 1: It has to be to look for specific things, not
Speaker 1: like let's just see if he has any other trophies.
Speaker 1: So and then Benson's like, can we compel Harper to
Speaker 1: like maybe she's got unpaid parking tickets? And Carmichael's like, yeah, no, bitch,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna like rape this woman again.
Speaker 4: So you got to use your own powers of persuasion.
Speaker 1: It's a weird idea, yeah, And Benson's like, but that's
Speaker 1: not what I meant. And it's like, I don't know
Speaker 1: how else you would compel a rape victim to talk
Speaker 1: to you. But Stabler is now out there digging up
Speaker 1: info on Cleary and then they're like, get his picture
Speaker 1: in a.
Speaker 4: Photo array, get it to Harper. We only have a
Speaker 4: few hours.
Speaker 1: So Cleary is now shooting the shit with Munch, talking
Speaker 1: about aggressive accounting, and he's got the most punishable face,
Speaker 1: like of all time.
Speaker 4: This man, like he's like, what do you make.
Speaker 1: Fifty sixty five sixty K a year and then eighty
Speaker 1: with overtime. He's trying to tell him how he can
Speaker 1: turn his money into more money, you know, and Stabler
Speaker 1: comes in going you're a cancer, which is a funny
Speaker 1: double entendre because this man is a cancer like on Society,
Speaker 1: but he's also astrologically a cancer, not a Leo. And
Speaker 1: he claims, oh no, it's a nickname for my grandfather
Speaker 1: and they're like, your grandfather's name was Percy.
Speaker 4: He's like, wouldn't you rather be called Leo than Percy.
Speaker 1: It's like the guy lie with a quickness that is, like,
Speaker 1: you know, very concerning, and they ask him some questions,
Speaker 1: but everything they ask him his lawyer Stone Walls. So
Speaker 1: now Benson and Cassidy are at Harper's door, yelling through
Speaker 1: the door, being like, we can stay here all night.
Speaker 4: We're just as stubborn as you are. Blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: She finally opens it and they want to show her
Speaker 1: the array and she goes, I never want to see
Speaker 1: this guy again. She goes, I don't and she honestly
Speaker 1: doesn't care about this other victim or if there are
Speaker 1: any other victims, and they're like, well, there's no case
Speaker 1: without you, and she's like, okay, well what does that
Speaker 1: do for me?
Speaker 4: Like and they're like, well, we could put.
Speaker 1: His ass away, and she goes, is that supposed to
Speaker 1: change something for me? Like give me some sort of closure?
Speaker 1: Parentheses Part one, You guys should drink if you've heard that.
Speaker 1: And she's already made peace with it, she says, she goes,
Speaker 1: I did therapy, I did yoga, I lit a candle,
Speaker 1: I cut my hair. I'm over it, and you know,
Speaker 1: she walks away as Cassidy says, to live like kind
Speaker 1: of under his breath, but so she can hear it.
Speaker 1: Cassidy goes, maybe he's not the one that did her,
Speaker 1: and that sets Harper off. She's like, the one that
Speaker 1: did me, that did me? He raped me, you asked,
Speaker 1: and so cats there is just so unfuckable in this,
Speaker 1: Like I know, and I can't tell if he's doing
Speaker 1: it on purpose because he knows he can get a
Speaker 1: rise out of her and like get hurt, Like is
Speaker 1: this a tack dick or is he just being a dick?
Speaker 1: I would you know, based on what he thought about
Speaker 1: her at the beginning, I think he's maybe just being
Speaker 1: a dick. But so Benson goes, so do something about it,
Speaker 1: and Harper's like, I did everything I was supposed to do,
Speaker 1: which is again another perfect like depiction of how this
Speaker 1: system is not. When everybody says, go report, go report,
Speaker 1: she did everything right. She did everything she was supposed
Speaker 1: to do. She did the kit, she gave every detail,
Speaker 1: she like, does it like everything. The cops still doubted
Speaker 1: her until another man said I saw this rape happen
Speaker 1: with my own eyes, which went, how often does that
Speaker 1: ever fucking happen?
Speaker 4: Did the cops fully believe her? Did all the cops
Speaker 4: fully believe her?
Speaker 1: And then even then with all the information, there was
Speaker 1: nothing that happened for six months, and she's like, my god,
Speaker 1: this guy just got away. So like, I can understand
Speaker 1: why a lot of people don't want.
Speaker 4: To put themselves through this.
Speaker 1: But uh, Live goes, you are obviously not fine, and
Speaker 1: Harper's like, well, that's not your place to tell me.
Speaker 1: And then she's like, well, if you knew anything. I've
Speaker 1: talked to survivors. Closure is a myth. Survivors say you
Speaker 1: never get over this. When was the last time you
Speaker 1: slept in your bed without running shoes on? And you
Speaker 1: know that hits Harper because how did you know about
Speaker 1: the running shoes whatever? And Live explains, sometimes these devastating
Speaker 1: things happen in our lives that change us, and you
Speaker 1: can either accept these changes or fight like hell all
Speaker 1: the way. And somehow she gets through to Harper, who
Speaker 1: agrees to go in and do a lineup. Okay, good
Speaker 1: because we are running out of time, and they bring
Speaker 1: out five blonde douchebags and they all say the line,
Speaker 1: is this how you like it? And I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: lie to you guys. You're going to see this five
Speaker 1: more times. There are like four more times where a
Speaker 1: bunch of men go is this how you like it?
Speaker 4: Multiple times? And it's kind of why that line.
Speaker 1: Is like like drawn into my head, Like it's basically
Speaker 1: drilled into my head. So Harper shakes her head at
Speaker 1: the lineup and goes, the guy's not there, which is
Speaker 1: crazy because she's the only guy that's seen his face.
Speaker 1: But I'm sure that happens all the time, Like there's
Speaker 1: witness meet misidentification all the time, Like no, I swear
Speaker 1: it was that guy, and then that guy has an alibi,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like people do misremember.
Speaker 1: But I just really thought she also if she had
Speaker 1: seen him before, I why didn't they work with a
Speaker 1: sketch artist immediately because but again, he would have looked
Speaker 1: like a million Wall Street douchebags who live in New
Speaker 1: York City, so it would have been hard anyway. So
Speaker 1: Harper comes back to Live's desk and she sits down
Speaker 1: and she's like sighing with relief. She's like, I'm so
Speaker 1: happy he wasn't in there. And Live goes, I got
Speaker 1: to show you something, and she shows her the ring
Speaker 1: and she goes, where did you get it? And she
Speaker 1: goes from a man that you couldn't identify? And now
Speaker 1: Harper is like sobbing that she didn't let that she
Speaker 1: let this guy get away, and she says to Olivia,
Speaker 1: she goes, my mother died a horrible, long death, and
Speaker 1: I thought because of that that nothing bad could ever
Speaker 1: happen to me. Like additionally, you know, it's like it's
Speaker 1: like what we just did in that episode where that
Speaker 1: poor girl gets assaulted twice in New York City. It's
Speaker 1: like she just thought, this is the worst thing that's
Speaker 1: ever happened to me has happened to me, Like how
Speaker 1: could something bad happen to me again?
Speaker 4: You know, like you don't think that's going to happen.
Speaker 1: But Live hugs her as she cries, and that's Dick
Speaker 1: Wolf Parentheses part one.
Speaker 4: So now we're moving on to closure.
Speaker 2: I wanted to say, knew they were going to do
Speaker 2: a part two the whole time, or it came about
Speaker 2: after the season, like when they started writing season two.
Speaker 4: I am curious.
Speaker 1: Well, also, I wonder because Tracy Polland got nominated for
Speaker 1: an Emmy, so they were like, probably like we could
Speaker 1: do another episode, like sort of following up on it,
Speaker 1: bringing her back.
Speaker 4: Damn say they had season one fucking nominations. That's cool. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: So anyway, Closure Part two opens with a nine to
Speaker 1: one to one operator taking a call and it's a
Speaker 1: woman reporting a rape. Now we know because we've just
Speaker 1: listened to a full episode of her talking that this
Speaker 1: is Harper's voice. Okay, she's calling in this call and
Speaker 1: a dog is barking, and the woman says, get away
Speaker 1: from me at this dog, and then the call gets disconnected.
Speaker 4: It's like a scuffle with a dog, you can tell.
Speaker 1: The operator calls the cops and says there's a rape
Speaker 1: in progress at the scene. Benson is there with her.
Speaker 1: Now it's for season two, people, So the hair that
Speaker 1: silky little brunette bob is gone, and we've got the
Speaker 1: spiky little situation from season two. He's doing press right now,
Speaker 1: I think for the upcoming season. Yeah, she just did
Speaker 1: an interview, She's like, I thought I was going to
Speaker 1: get fired.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah I saw that too. Shoot, yeah,
Speaker 4: I love one. She said.
Speaker 1: Basically what happened was I thought she got the care
Speaker 1: cut on her own. But I think like the article
Speaker 1: that I saw or the interview I saw with like
Speaker 1: she got blamer. Yes, some guy was like, do you
Speaker 1: on a little trim and just cut cut, cut, cut
Speaker 1: cut and gave her like a full pixie without asking,
Speaker 1: you know. So it's kind of crazy, especially when you're
Speaker 1: the lead of a television show. Certainly it's not Chris
Speaker 1: whatever his name is, the guy that cuts her hair
Speaker 1: and cuts Jennifer mc millan mcmellan, Yeah. I brought a
Speaker 1: picture of Muska Hargotte once to my hair stylist for
Speaker 1: the color. I was like, I want the color. Was
Speaker 1: after he'd colored her hair, Like it looks so good.
Speaker 2: I'll be honest, I really can't stop thinking about baby
Speaker 2: Chanelle on the runway, Like I just love her helping
Speaker 2: a little girl out. That was just her instincts.
Speaker 1: She's sweet instinct was like come on, and like that
Speaker 1: could not be staged, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like it's just a pure moment of a kid being
Speaker 1: a good kid, Like I just love.
Speaker 2: Her because she could I mean, you know, who knows
Speaker 2: what she's like, you know, but she could be a
Speaker 2: spoiled brat, Like, yeah, she seems very sweet for the
Speaker 2: privileged life that she has.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet Ice drops a lot of like miniature
Speaker 1: Ice cult facts on her and doesn't let her get
Speaker 1: take things for.
Speaker 4: The way she spoils the shit out of her.
Speaker 1: No, I know, but I bet he also like teaches
Speaker 1: her like in life, you gotta work for your money.
Speaker 1: You got to sign your checks. You're not gonna get
Speaker 1: anything handed to you, Like even though I'm spoiling you
Speaker 1: now with five bulldogs or whatever the fuck, Like, you're
Speaker 1: gonna work so short hair. Benson and Stabler are on
Speaker 1: the scene. One of the uniforms has them an evidence
Speaker 1: bag with like a bracelet on it that says Laurie,
Speaker 1: I don't they found it under the fire escape. I
Speaker 1: don't really know why this is like an important piece.
Speaker 1: It's like, so we get the victim's name in advance.
Speaker 4: I don't know. Oh no, it's how they find the victim.
Speaker 1: Okay, because they're in they like know where the building is,
Speaker 1: but they don't know which apartment. So now the unities
Speaker 1: come out and they're like, we found the apartment. We
Speaker 1: found the apartment. So they go into the apartment. The
Speaker 1: victims in the bathroom with the shower running. Laurie keeps going,
Speaker 1: don't come in here. The place is filthy. This place
Speaker 1: is filthy. Don't come in here. And like finally she
Speaker 1: like Olivia comes in like gently, and she's like when
Speaker 1: she opens the room is like filled with steam.
Speaker 4: She opens the shower.
Speaker 1: The girl is like in the shower like scrubbing the
Speaker 1: drain with a toothbrush, and she's like, I need to
Speaker 1: get all this stuff that he washed off me.
Speaker 4: I needed to go away.
Speaker 1: Like she's obviously like having a very very traumatized reaction
Speaker 1: to what has obviously just happened to her. Live calms
Speaker 1: her down, covers her with a towel, and Laurie says
Speaker 1: that the guy just kept saying, is this how you
Speaker 1: like it?
Speaker 4: This is how you like it?
Speaker 1: And it's really sad because she says, to be and
Speaker 1: this is really happening, isn't it? Like she was, It's
Speaker 1: like she just snapped into like lucidity a little bit
Speaker 1: more and was like fuck, this like, this thing actually
Speaker 1: happened to me. And then Benson and Stabler compare notes,
Speaker 1: same neighborhood, same type of woman, like these all these
Speaker 1: women so far, I forgot to say last episode, but
Speaker 1: Jane Tyler was like a petite blonde as well, like
Speaker 1: he's always going after petite blonde. Samemo Bastard is at
Speaker 1: it again. Another quick, concise, cold open, and we're at
Speaker 1: the credits, So at the precinct, they're telling Cragan, we
Speaker 1: know this is Cleary, and Craigan's like, it's been a
Speaker 1: year since he was a suspect.
Speaker 4: It's like, no, no, Harper was raped a year ago.
Speaker 1: Then six months later you brought him in as a suspect,
Speaker 1: and really it was May, and it's October right now,
Speaker 1: so it's five months have passed. And if so, like,
Speaker 1: if he's a suspect in May, six months later, it's
Speaker 1: not crazy to show. It's crazy to me to shut
Speaker 1: down a theory that this guy could still be back
Speaker 1: at it after five months, Like that's not weird. Even
Speaker 1: after a year, these things happen. Benson and Stabler are
Speaker 1: sure this is Cleary who they had and they lost
Speaker 1: five months ago. And Laurie is the most recent victim.
Speaker 1: She shows up at the precinct. So now Live is
Speaker 1: talking to Laurie. She's describing her attack. It's the same
Speaker 1: as Harper's sailor is saying all these pieces of her story.
Speaker 4: Sabler's behind the glass and.
Speaker 1: He's saying the fishbowl like he's saying all these pieces
Speaker 1: of the story before she says them. So it's like,
Speaker 1: this is how textbook this guy is, Like, everything's the same.
Speaker 1: She's like, he ripped off my necklace. Munch reports that
Speaker 1: there was nothing from forensics, which duh. This guy never
Speaker 1: leaves forensics. He never leaves any evidence. So when he
Speaker 1: heard sirens, he pushed Laurie and liv goes, wait, did
Speaker 1: you call the cops and she says no, So they
Speaker 1: must have a witness. So now they're listening to the
Speaker 1: nine one one call which came from a payphone on Franklin,
Speaker 1: and maybe the dog owner is also a witness. They
Speaker 1: go to the payphone, they figure out these two apartments
Speaker 1: that could see the crime. This is all red Herring shit.
Speaker 1: They basically they find this woman. She's blind, but she
Speaker 1: has a dog. She says, oh, Billy Smith walked my dog.
Speaker 1: Billy Smith is a doctor. He's not really a doctor.
Speaker 1: He's a medical student who's on the roof studying for
Speaker 1: his medical exams.
Speaker 4: It's like whatever.
Speaker 1: It all leads us to this guy who is who
Speaker 1: owns a stand down the block, and that's where you
Speaker 1: find this sweet little pooch who will not shut the
Speaker 1: fuck up. And this is definitely the dog who barked
Speaker 1: at the nine one one callar. The guy that's there,
Speaker 1: he's like smoking a cigar. He describes her, the woman
Speaker 1: using the phone as blonde, thirty, thin but not too thin,
Speaker 1: black sweater, black pants, thong panties. They're like, how did
Speaker 1: you know you could see her underwear? And he goes,
Speaker 1: I notice the panty line, which is disgusting. And he goes,
Speaker 1: she had a nice ass. And then Benson and Stabler
Speaker 1: stare at him blankly, and he goes, I'm an ass man.
Speaker 1: I don't apologize for it, which is also a Seinfeld reference,
Speaker 1: besides Uncle Leo, whoa the ass man reference. And I
Speaker 1: believe that it is his wife standing silently behind him
Speaker 1: the entire time in the newsstand, wrangling the dog while
Speaker 1: her husband tells the NYPD how much he loves ass.
Speaker 1: So that's pretty funny to me as well. At the precinct,
Speaker 1: Levs still trying to Yeah. At the precinct live, still
Speaker 1: trying to convince Craigan that this is Cleary the Girls,
Speaker 1: And you're just like, I'm an ass man, what do
Speaker 1: you yeah?
Speaker 2: And they're like, so you noticed all that, but not
Speaker 2: her face for one second?
Speaker 1: Okay, He's like, I noticed what I noticed? Deal with it,
Speaker 1: you know, like he's I mean, he he runs a
Speaker 1: tight news stand. I guess this guy sucks. But inaugural season,
Speaker 1: Finn walks in with an interesting tidbit. Right after the
Speaker 1: nine to one one call was placed, a call went
Speaker 1: from that payphone to where dun done the Cleary home.
Speaker 1: Cragan sends Munch and Fin to the Cleary's house because
Speaker 1: they already have a history with Benson and Stabler, so
Speaker 1: let's send some new guys over there, missus Cleary. This
Speaker 1: is this woman's whole part is she just keeps swinging
Speaker 1: the door open to her huge brownstone, being like yes,
Speaker 1: and she swings the door wide open. And I thought
Speaker 1: I knew this actress from something else, but I found
Speaker 1: her IMDb and it is truly crazy. Her only two
Speaker 1: credits are these two episodes of this show and one
Speaker 1: episode of regular Law and Order.
Speaker 4: Wow, it's the.
Speaker 1: Strangest imdbfen not a veo, not a commercial, not a
Speaker 1: like uncredited part in another thing, just these three things.
Speaker 1: So she quit acting, but she looked familiar to me.
Speaker 1: I thought she did other stuff anyway. Maybe she's just
Speaker 1: like a wife of someone on the crew who's like,
Speaker 1: I'm good at acting, let me do it one episode.
Speaker 1: But anyway, she's like, about damn time you showed up.
Speaker 1: I've been after the phone company for months. Someone is
Speaker 1: harassing me with phone calls. And the woman's like, well
Speaker 1: you're and they're like what is she saying? What is
Speaker 1: the person saying? And she's like, well, the woman keeps
Speaker 1: saying your husband's a rapist, and she's like what And
Speaker 1: he's not a rapist.
Speaker 4: It's like okay, lady.
Speaker 1: And then she goes last night when she called, she
Speaker 1: said he's raping someone right now.
Speaker 4: And then they're like, where was your husband?
Speaker 1: And she's like home with me all night, which is
Speaker 1: like always what she says without like a shred of
Speaker 1: looking guilty, and she didn't want to wake her up.
Speaker 4: They're like, did you wake him up? Like whatever.
Speaker 1: She's like, well, we don't both have to be awake
Speaker 1: because someone's calling our house and trying to ruin our lives.
Speaker 1: And I called the phone company in the morning, so
Speaker 1: she goes They offered to like basically tap our phone line,
Speaker 1: but my husband doesn't want that because they could listen
Speaker 1: to our private conversations and you know that, he writes
Speaker 1: in finance he can't have that, And she's like.
Speaker 4: This woman is ruining our lives. Why won't you stop her.
Speaker 1: It's like they're prank calls, and literally this woman's been raped,
Speaker 1: so it's like kind of crazy. So now the gang
Speaker 1: is in a huddle in the squad room, and the
Speaker 1: very first harassing call came from Harper Anderson. They find
Speaker 1: out like later she starts calling from payphones, but the
Speaker 1: first call, I guess she calls from her own number,
Speaker 1: and they're like, sorry, live looks like she's been stalking
Speaker 1: Cleary and it's like, I don't know the way everybody
Speaker 1: just like wants to paint Harper as like a fucking criminal.
Speaker 4: This entire episode is wild.
Speaker 1: Harper's apartment door opens and she's smiling immediately going you
Speaker 1: should be at his place, not mine. Her hair is
Speaker 1: long again, grows extremely fast. It's been five months and
Speaker 1: it's way down to her boobs again.
Speaker 4: But good for her. She's probably taking collagen.
Speaker 1: And she says, they're like, you've been stalking Cleary and
Speaker 1: she's like, stalking is illegal. I surveil from a legal distance,
Speaker 1: and she's got everything covered. She saw this guy go
Speaker 1: into alley. She circled the building, making sure that she
Speaker 1: hadn't like lost him, that he'd gone out a different way,
Speaker 1: and then she figured he was definitely raping someone and
Speaker 1: she called nine one one. The whole time she's talking
Speaker 1: to them, she's opening a bottle of wine. She's grabbing
Speaker 1: three glasses like they are about to dish, okay, and
Speaker 1: then the camera pulls out and we see that she
Speaker 1: has a massive mugshot of Cleary framed and hanging above
Speaker 1: her kitchen.
Speaker 4: Cabinets as like a piece of art.
Speaker 1: And Stabler she's like, want some wine, and Stabler turns
Speaker 1: her down and she's like, it's six o'clock.
Speaker 4: You guys clock out? Did it work days over?
Speaker 1: And she's like, Clear's a workaholic and he doesn't leave
Speaker 1: the office until eight, so we've got plenty of time
Speaker 1: to chat like an hour and a half, so it's clear,
Speaker 1: like she follows this guy like every day. Liv points
Speaker 1: out that Harper couldn't id Cleary in the lineup, So
Speaker 1: how do you know he's the guy who attacked you?
Speaker 1: She goes, I went to the sentencing for his trial
Speaker 1: for possession of stolen property. When he left court, he
Speaker 1: winked at me. He winked, So she knows that this
Speaker 1: is the guy and she goes and he must have
Speaker 1: raped someone or you wouldn't be here right now. And
Speaker 1: then she's like stabler Scotch vodka. Like he's like, no,
Speaker 1: thank you, and she's like, you don't have to be
Speaker 1: so tense, and she's like I don't expect shit from
Speaker 1: you guys like and Lives like, we did what we could,
Speaker 1: and she's like you couldn't id him, And Harper's like,
Speaker 1: why not tail him?
Speaker 4: Then you knew he would rape again?
Speaker 1: And they're like, true, but even though there's like no
Speaker 1: way that they have the resources to do that, they
Speaker 1: have done that many times, Like I don't know why
Speaker 1: they didn't do that. They do it all the time,
Speaker 1: but in this case they couldn't. So Lives like, you
Speaker 1: can't handle this on your own. And Harper's like, what,
Speaker 1: I'm basically doing what a PI does and I don't
Speaker 1: need a license to do it for myself. And they're like,
Speaker 1: you're harassing his wife, and she's like, she's enabling a rapist.
Speaker 1: You guys are too busy to deal with him, so
Speaker 1: I will. So at the precinct, Sabler argues that Harper
Speaker 1: is dangerous and Benson says, maybe not.
Speaker 4: I mean, we.
Speaker 1: Almost literally caught the guy because of her, and the
Speaker 1: system failed her, so she's basically doing this on her own.
Speaker 4: Like live can kind of understand where this girl's coming from.
Speaker 1: And Craigan traffic cops like Finn and Munch, you go
Speaker 1: bring Harper in for a stern talking to, and Benson
Speaker 1: and Stabler go get in Cleary's face and maybe that'll
Speaker 1: stop him from raping.
Speaker 4: I mean, he was literally brought in.
Speaker 1: And almost busted, and he keeps doing it, but you know,
Speaker 1: maybe you guys could scare him. So then they go
Speaker 1: to Cleary's house and when they get there, there's flyers
Speaker 1: taped up everywhere of his mugshot and the word rapists
Speaker 1: written below it, and then down the block we see
Speaker 1: Meredith Cleary the wife yelling at Harper, who's actively hanging
Speaker 1: up the flyers, going.
Speaker 4: Stop a you're owning our lives, Like.
Speaker 1: You know, she can't have the neighbors seeing these signs.
Speaker 1: So in the middle of this scuffle, the rapist of
Speaker 1: the hour, Cleary, comes speeding up to the curb in
Speaker 1: this little BMW convertible, like honestly just cementing his duchary
Speaker 1: in my mind. And they tell Cleary, well, a woman
Speaker 1: was raped two nights ago, and he's like, I was
Speaker 1: home with my wife. And Harper's like, you're lying, I
Speaker 1: saw you. And he's like, how much longer are you
Speaker 1: gonna let this woman who forgot to take her lithium
Speaker 1: harass us? And that just SAIDs Harper, spiraling like she's like,
Speaker 1: now this guy's gonna fucking gaslight me and make and
Speaker 1: make people think I'm crazy.
Speaker 4: Fuck that.
Speaker 1: She grabs a huge metal bar which is in a
Speaker 1: trash pile, and in New York City there's a massive
Speaker 1: metal bar in nearly a retrash piles, so you could
Speaker 1: just grab one, and she smashes the windshield of this
Speaker 1: douchey little I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or legit.
Speaker 4: I am being sarcastics. It's like wild.
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm mad, and she reaches and there's like
Speaker 1: a perfectly shaped weapon for smashing a car roof like
Speaker 1: sitting in a trash pile.
Speaker 4: It's like ridiculous, but it's TV and I love it.
Speaker 1: So she just smashes the shit out of this shitty,
Speaker 1: little fucking car that this guy has, and then they
Speaker 1: take her away and she's like, yeah, arrest me, not
Speaker 1: the rapist, and gets in Cleary's face and he's like.
Speaker 4: Grinning, like this guy is so gross, and his wife.
Speaker 1: Looks at him like she's pissed off, Like the neighbors
Speaker 1: are going to see this, like why are you smiling?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: So Benson and Stabler are now chatting with Craigan and Cabot.
Speaker 1: Harper puts Cleary at Laurie's building, but that's it, not
Speaker 1: in the apartment. And after her little stunt with the car,
Speaker 1: she's not gonna fly as a witness, right Benson. I mean, also,
Speaker 1: she wouldn't fly as a witness just because of the
Speaker 1: fact that she's accused it like he's been like actually
Speaker 1: maybe because he hasn't been officially brought up on charges
Speaker 1: on her rape. Yet maybe maybe she wouldn't be but
Speaker 1: his defense people would poke holes in the fact that
Speaker 1: she's been following him and stocking him. So Benson's defending Harper,
Speaker 1: being like she's taking control of her own life, and
Speaker 1: Stabler goes, oh please, and it's like shut up. Benson
Speaker 1: says they have to follow Cleary. Craigan is in for it,
Speaker 1: but he can't authorize the overtime, and Benson and Stabler
Speaker 1: are like, who's asking for it?
Speaker 4: We are down to work for free? What do we make?
Speaker 4: Sixty five? K let's do it. It's season two.
Speaker 1: They are not making They are not like getting big
Speaker 1: salaries these two. Okay, So now they're at Cleary's work
Speaker 1: at a venture capital firm. He wants to know why
Speaker 1: they're there and they're like, oh, we're here to talk
Speaker 1: to your boss.
Speaker 4: Is that okay?
Speaker 1: So they tell the boss we're investigating a serial rapist.
Speaker 1: What's Kindeth Cleary.
Speaker 4: Like to work with?
Speaker 1: And I think this is so fun. This is like
Speaker 1: the ultimate shade. Like they're not telling him that he's
Speaker 1: a serial rapist. They're like, Hi, work cops investing a
Speaker 1: cereal rape. Tell us more about Kenneth Cleary like it's
Speaker 1: you can connect the dots, sir. And the boss is like,
Speaker 1: is he a rapist? And they're like so, or have
Speaker 1: you seen his haircut? Yes, of course he's a rapist.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: And then boss says he's a workaholic. And then he
Speaker 1: mentions like he works all the time. We lost two
Speaker 1: assistants in Philly who couldn't keep up with him. We're
Speaker 1: opening a branch there, so he's there half his time.
Speaker 1: And now they're like, could we see his travel records? Cleary,
Speaker 1: who is like the personification of smug, he's like so smug.
Speaker 1: He walks up to a Stabler's car while he's eating
Speaker 1: and he goes, you told you're my boss about the misdemeanor,
Speaker 1: and he goes, I brought the company five fifty eight
Speaker 1: million last year, so I think they'll live with a
Speaker 1: little misdemeanor. And then which is the stolen possession charge?
Speaker 1: And he asks Stabler, from one hungry man to another,
Speaker 1: anything better than gorging on a fresh caught meal, which
Speaker 1: is such a disgusting, like double entendra gross thing to say, Stabler,
Speaker 1: because it's like you're not catching anyone, You're actually not
Speaker 1: doing you're like cowardly grabbing women while they sleep, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. You're not like running get like
Speaker 1: running after someone like the thrill of the hunt. You're
Speaker 1: not some fucking manly man. You fucking sneak in to
Speaker 1: places that I've openings and and take blitz attack people.
Speaker 1: You're a coward. Not that you're a better if you
Speaker 1: hunt people, but if you're trying to Yeah, if you're
Speaker 1: trying to apply that, you're some kind of like man
Speaker 1: who's catching his kid eating his kill.
Speaker 4: Fuck off, Because that is another thing I liked about
Speaker 4: Dexter that he like had.
Speaker 2: To work out. That was like a part of it.
Speaker 2: Or like now there shoulder hurts and he's older and
Speaker 2: he's like, oh geez, I know he doesn't have the mobility.
Speaker 2: I like that realistic element. But yeah, if you're a killer,
Speaker 2: not only do you have to be an incredibly award
Speaker 2: winning actor, but then you also have to be athletic.
Speaker 2: You need to work out, and you need attention to
Speaker 2: detail attentions, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that about Deb. Deb was always working out.
Speaker 1: She was always like on the treadmill.
Speaker 4: Like running. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh, so after he says this gross line, Sabler grabs
Speaker 1: him by the tie and brings him in close and goes,
Speaker 1: you won't be eating out anymore, and then like lets
Speaker 1: him go, which I love. And now Munch is researching
Speaker 1: rapes in Philly and three of them have Cleary's signature,
Speaker 1: and Cleary was there in town for all three of them.
Speaker 1: Craigan wants Munch to go down to Philly and interview
Speaker 1: the victims, and Munch is like, can't they just fax
Speaker 1: the case files? And Craigan's like, Billy's SVU sucks. They're
Speaker 1: under investigation for dumping rape cases as unfounded. I don't
Speaker 1: trust them. Get down there and talk to them yourselves.
Speaker 1: An excuse to put Munch on a little train for
Speaker 1: a trip. Later that night, Cleary goes to take out
Speaker 1: his trash and he sees Finn in a car across
Speaker 1: the street from him, and Finn just like wiggles his
Speaker 1: badge in the moonlight, which I love, and you know,
Speaker 1: basically it's like we're watching you, motherfucker. And then the
Speaker 1: next morning he runs into Munch and Finn outside of
Speaker 1: Penn Station. Actually, do you know Oscar told me yesterday?
Speaker 1: You know, when Dad gets mad at you, he says, motherfuck,
Speaker 1: and I go, not me. He gets when he says
Speaker 1: that when he's mad at like drivers and he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I thought it was you because your mom, and I
Speaker 1: was like, no, it's not me. We need to have
Speaker 1: a conversation about how much Jared is swearing at other
Speaker 1: drivers in the car. But so the next morning, Clear's
Speaker 1: getting out of his car hop on his little train
Speaker 1: to Philly and Munch and Finn are outside of Penn
Speaker 1: Station and I'm sure clearly like loves that SVU and
Speaker 1: Philly is incompetence so you can just do whatever he
Speaker 1: wants there And they're not even like probably linking the cases,
Speaker 1: and he's like, are you trying to make me crazy?
Speaker 1: Cleary says to them, and they're like, well, is this
Speaker 1: how you like it? So I love that they're trolling him.
Speaker 1: And then this episode at the top of act three,
Speaker 1: this episode continues to give the fax machine a lot
Speaker 1: of play. Munch faxes up a ton of items of
Speaker 1: jewelry stolen during rapes down in Philly to see if
Speaker 1: missus Cleary has maybe received any of them, and Stablers
Speaker 1: are going to go like shake the wife's tree but
Speaker 1: not get involved in anything that would invoke spousal privilege
Speaker 1: because that would be thrown out and if she gets defensive.
Speaker 4: I understand.
Speaker 2: So if I'm married, I can't decide to testify against
Speaker 2: my husband. Like that makes no sense. I understand if
Speaker 2: I don't want to, if I want to be like, no,
Speaker 2: I'm married, but like that, it is suddenly a contract
Speaker 2: where you cannot and everything you say is it admissible?
Speaker 4: Like I don't get it. Well, we talked about this before,
Speaker 4: I know, but it still bothers me and I don't
Speaker 4: remember what I am.
Speaker 3: No, but.
Speaker 4: Like, but I don't get it. They're like, we can't
Speaker 4: she can't say anything, But it's like, can't she decide
Speaker 4: to betray her husband?
Speaker 1: No? I know when we talked about it before, somebody
Speaker 1: wrote in about it like a lawyer, and he right
Speaker 1: in again, well hold on, let me just see if
Speaker 1: I can find it if I just write spousal and okay.
Speaker 1: So to answer your spousal slash marital privilege question from
Speaker 1: the podcast episode this was back in June. Somebody wrote us,
Speaker 1: the person who would be testifying can either invoke the
Speaker 1: privilege or wave it, and it relates to conversations within
Speaker 1: the marriage, not actions.
Speaker 4: That are observed.
Speaker 1: So if you see your husband murdering someone, you can
Speaker 1: say I saw my husband murder someone. But if your
Speaker 1: husband told you, I guess conversations, that's privilege. If your
Speaker 1: husband told you they murdered someone, it sounds like but
Speaker 1: it sounds like you should still be able to wave
Speaker 1: it if you want, If you're the person, you shouldbible
Speaker 1: to wave it. I think what he argues, what later
Speaker 1: the lawyer argues, is that the gifts of the jewelry
Speaker 1: are communications, even though they're not. Yeah, I agree in
Speaker 1: this in this case, it's a stretch, but we're not
Speaker 1: even there yet. We're still at the part where Stabler's
Speaker 1: going to go talk to this lady and see like
Speaker 1: and you know, they're like, she could get defensive, and
Speaker 1: he's like, I'll handle it. And then Benson's like, I'm
Speaker 1: going to take some personal time. I'm meeting Harper for
Speaker 1: coffee at a gun range. Like that's her personal time,
Speaker 1: is meeting a victim at a gun range. Craigan's like
Speaker 1: that seems insane, and she's like it's okay, Daddy, she's permitted.
Speaker 1: So at SVU in Philly, we get a young blonde
Speaker 1: woman telling her story, and then another one, and then
Speaker 1: a third, and they're intertwining their stories, but they're all
Speaker 1: telling the exact same story that Harper and Laurie and
Speaker 1: this other woman have told, so all the victims have
Speaker 1: the same exact story.
Speaker 4: This guy does not deviate.
Speaker 1: At the Cleary home, Meredith won't let Stabler in, but
Speaker 1: he's like, listen, I know you're a victim too, Like
Speaker 1: whenever there's a rape victim, there's other victims as well
Speaker 1: who aren't necessarily the victims of the rape. And he's
Speaker 1: saying he's saying rape a lot of times, and she
Speaker 1: does not like that because the neighbors are going to hear.
Speaker 1: And she's a very you know, keeping up with the
Speaker 1: Joneses kind of like woman and cares what people think
Speaker 1: a lot. So then I think he finally she kind
Speaker 1: of like lets him in, so he stops saying rape
Speaker 1: so much on her doorstep, and then he gives her
Speaker 1: a list of jewelry stolen during the rapes they think
Speaker 1: that her husband committed, and she goes, my husband makes money,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have to steal me jewelry, and he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you dumb bitch, Like I'm talking about a sickness here,
Speaker 1: like these are trophies that allow him to relive the
Speaker 1: rapes and get excited. Like he had to like explain
Speaker 1: that to her, like she's not understanding, and so he
Speaker 1: tells her, also, we're out of options, so let me
Speaker 1: know and I won't bother you again. So that's, you know,
Speaker 1: he kind of pleads to her in a vulnerable place,
Speaker 1: from a vulnerable place kind of. So at the range,
Speaker 1: Harper is firing off a couple of rounds. They're all
Speaker 1: kill shots to the chest and the head. Like she's
Speaker 1: gotten good. She rattles off all these stats about the gun,
Speaker 1: how it took her in a month to hold it steady,
Speaker 1: and ben'son and She's like, oh, and it's got a
Speaker 1: fourteen round clip, and Benson's like, babe, a fourteen round
Speaker 1: clip is illegal in New York. And Harper's like, oopsie,
Speaker 1: here you go, and like tosses it to her, and
Speaker 1: then Benson's like, honey, what is up. This gun is
Speaker 1: practically an assault, right, it's a little extreme. And Harper's like,
Speaker 1: you're so crazy, Like you think I'm velma vigilante that
Speaker 1: I'm just waiting to shoot Cleary. That's not who I am.
Speaker 1: She goes, I've gotten control over my life. I don't
Speaker 1: care about revenge or justice. I follow Cleary because I'm
Speaker 1: afraid of him, and he's the last thing that I'm
Speaker 1: afraid of. And if I can get over that, I
Speaker 1: can get my life back and lives like, let's go booze.
Speaker 4: So I guess.
Speaker 1: They pass Harper's apartment and Meredith Cleary is outside of
Speaker 1: it and she's like, I was just leaving you a note.
Speaker 1: And so it's confusing because it seems like they're just
Speaker 1: walking down a city street. And then suddenly the wife
Speaker 1: of the rapist is there and she's like, I'm so
Speaker 1: sorry for what happened to you. And she's like, I
Speaker 1: feel responsible and I feel guilty and I just wanted
Speaker 1: you to know that.
Speaker 4: And they're like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: And she pulls out a ziploc bag and it's got.
Speaker 4: A bunch of jewelry in it. So done done.
Speaker 1: This fucking guy has more than just the few victims
Speaker 1: that we've seen at the precinct. She's explaining how her
Speaker 1: husband would give her surprise gifts all the time. He'd
Speaker 1: gets so excited when she tried the on, she thought
Speaker 1: it was romantic. She's crying and then she's like, I
Speaker 1: need a second and then she just like gets on
Speaker 1: the phone and calls her husband says, I.
Speaker 4: Can't take it. Come home.
Speaker 1: You've got to come home right now, and then she
Speaker 1: turns around stone faced and goes He'll be on the
Speaker 1: next train from Philadelphia, So the wife is on board now.
Speaker 1: At Penn station, Munch and Finner following him out of
Speaker 1: the station, they meet up with Benson and Stabler and
Speaker 1: they all arrest him together. They bring in the Douche
Speaker 1: Parade again for a lineup, and Laurie immediately recognizes Cleary's
Speaker 1: voice after they all say is this how you like it?
Speaker 4: Again?
Speaker 1: He's smugly staring through the glass to freak her out,
Speaker 1: which is unhinged, and it does freak her out. Another
Speaker 1: lineup happens with one of the girls from Hilly Ray.
Speaker 4: Also, I don't know if intimidating through the glasses that crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, Like, I mean, it's not weird for
Speaker 1: him to be like staring creepily smuggly through the glass,
Speaker 1: but it's like the cops are watching you.
Speaker 4: So it's kind of strange. But whatever, I hate this man.
Speaker 4: So much.
Speaker 1: Then there's another lineup with one of the victims from Philly,
Speaker 1: and she also Id's Cleary by his voice. And then
Speaker 1: now we're at arraignment and he turns around and grins
Speaker 1: at Harper, who's sitting in the gallery, And when somebody
Speaker 1: moves out of his field of vision, it reveals that
Speaker 1: his wife is sitting right next to Harper, and that
Speaker 1: smug little smile goes bye bye real quick, and it's
Speaker 1: a lovely moment, and Cabot asks for a man. The
Speaker 1: judge is like, give me a number, like, because obviously
Speaker 1: this lawyer's not going to shut the fuck up until
Speaker 1: he gets bail. She goes five hundred K, and he
Speaker 1: goes double it, and the lawyer doesn't even blink. A
Speaker 1: million dollars bond bail doesn't blink. Harper and Meredith Cleary
Speaker 1: follow Cabot out of court. They're like, that's the best
Speaker 1: you can do, and Meredith is like, I thought maybe
Speaker 1: I was wrong, but then I saw my rapist husband
Speaker 1: sneer at Harper, Like you know, she basically saw that happen,
Speaker 1: So she's convinced.
Speaker 4: She gives Cabot her number. She's staying on long Island.
Speaker 1: She's like, yeah, I need to talk to you about
Speaker 1: your testimony, and then they're like anything else I could
Speaker 1: do for you?
Speaker 4: And she goes, do you know a good divorced lawyer?
Speaker 1: And then she stomps off and then one of Cleary's
Speaker 1: other lawyers walks up, and it's the late Great Ned Eisenberg.
Speaker 1: I had no idea that he plays three different defense
Speaker 1: attorneys in SVU.
Speaker 4: He plays a.
Speaker 1: Lawyer named Jerry Kleinert, a lawyer named Klein Rothberg, and
Speaker 1: then finally he becomes Roger Kressler, who's like the recurring,
Speaker 1: recurring lawyer. I just don't get why they would change
Speaker 1: his name so many times. Just keep it, But I
Speaker 1: will say, in this episode he's Klein Rothberg, which sounds
Speaker 1: like a made up name of your like name a
Speaker 1: Jewish lawyer, and you're like, klein Rothberg, Like, it just
Speaker 1: sounds very made up. So Harper calls him mister klein
Speaker 1: which is funny because I think it's his first name,
Speaker 1: and she tells him you're gonna burn in hell for
Speaker 1: representing this rapist, and he gleefully tells her that Jews
Speaker 1: don't believe in hell, and then is like gotta go
Speaker 1: and walks away with Cabot and he hands her a
Speaker 1: bunch of moments.
Speaker 4: He's emotions. He's filing.
Speaker 1: He's like in Leminae Suppress spousal privilege, he's filing them
Speaker 1: all okay. In the judges chambers, we have a queen
Speaker 1: an icon, Doris Black. She is Judge Margaret Barry. She
Speaker 1: is also the judge in Peak and that's it. Like,
Speaker 1: so she's not an icon SVU why is necessarily? I
Speaker 1: just love her. She was on One Life to Live
Speaker 1: for like eight hundred episodes back when I used to
Speaker 1: watch it. She was a voice on Doug. She's done
Speaker 1: like fifty eight episodes of Doug. She's some voice like
Speaker 1: named Dinky or Tippy Dink or something on Doug. And
Speaker 1: she has ninety credits. So she has a long acting career.
Speaker 1: And she sadly died in twenty eleven. But she's pouring
Speaker 1: tea in her chambers. I just love her. I feel
Speaker 1: like if she had lasted, if she had lived longer,
Speaker 1: she would have been on SBU more. But she's pouring
Speaker 1: tea and wants to know why, tell me why I
Speaker 1: shouldn't throw out the jewelry. It doesn't, and cabits like,
Speaker 1: it doesn't fall under spousal privilege, and nobody asked Cleary's
Speaker 1: wife where he got it.
Speaker 4: We just asked who gave it to you?
Speaker 1: So like that would be a violation of spousal privilege
Speaker 1: if Cleary said I got this from whatever. But for
Speaker 1: her to say, my husband gave me this, that's an action.
Speaker 1: And then he argues, well, wouldn't you say the act
Speaker 1: of giving jewelry is a communication and the judge is
Speaker 1: kind of buying it, so she goes, limit the scope.
Speaker 1: You can only talk about the receipt of the jewelry
Speaker 1: and buy whom. And now klein Rothberg is trying to
Speaker 1: get the voice id thrown out, and she goes, you'll
Speaker 1: have your chance to undermine the identification during cross more
Speaker 1: tea and I love that. So at trial Laurie's on
Speaker 1: the stand, Laurie tells Cleary's other lawyer that's not Kressler
Speaker 1: klein Rothberg, that she could never forget this guy's voice,
Speaker 1: and then that's how she id'ed him in the voice lineup.
Speaker 1: Then he does a dirty trick where he plays her
Speaker 1: a tape of a man saying, is this how you
Speaker 1: like it and she can't idea the voice, and then
Speaker 1: they play it again and she can't idea, and they
Speaker 1: revealed this is a coworker of yours, this is someone
Speaker 1: you talk to every day. Cabin objects and Judge Barry
Speaker 1: sustains and tells the lawyer to back off.
Speaker 4: Why did you not object before she answered her?
Speaker 1: I mean she did object, but for some reason, I
Speaker 1: feel like the judge allowed it. I can't believe it
Speaker 1: was allowed, and then it was sustained, like the jury
Speaker 1: should never have heard her not to get that voice,
Speaker 1: I'd because that's bullshit. Next up, Cabot is prepping Meredith Cleary,
Speaker 1: and she's like, why are you asking me these questions
Speaker 1: so specifically and so narrowly, And they're like, ma'am, we
Speaker 1: have to explain spousal privilege to you. Like she's like,
Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm not allowed to talk about what
Speaker 1: a huge boner my husband got every time he watched
Speaker 1: me wear these trophies, like how he'd make me wear
Speaker 1: them before we had sex, and they like, tell her,
Speaker 1: you're not allowed to say those things, and she's freaking
Speaker 1: out because he wants joint custody of their son. So
Speaker 1: she's flipping out, like and it's like, okay, well if
Speaker 1: they had just told her keep calm and stick to
Speaker 1: these answers, or you'll fuck the entire thing up. But
Speaker 1: then on the stand, Meredith is doing all the right stuff.
Speaker 1: She's answering the questions and the narrow she's staying within
Speaker 1: the scope. It's perfect. But then they ask her about
Speaker 1: some opal ring and she just fucking breaks, like she
Speaker 1: cannot keep it in, and she has to tell the
Speaker 1: cord how excited it made her husband when she put
Speaker 1: the ring on. He just had to have sex with her.
Speaker 1: And Meredith will not stop, and Cabbot is like, please stop,
Speaker 1: please stop, please stop, and she won't shut up, and
Speaker 1: she keeps going on and on about how he made
Speaker 1: her wear the trophies and he's sick.
Speaker 4: Fuck, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Immediate mistrial is granted, like this dumb bitch, like I
Speaker 1: thought that they made it clear to her this could
Speaker 1: throw the entire thing. The judge calls Cabot over is like,
Speaker 1: I hold you specifically responsible for this. You prepped the
Speaker 1: witness and you knew she was in a fragile emotional
Speaker 1: state and could not stick to the scope of the questioning.
Speaker 1: You have the privilege of now starting over, and in
Speaker 1: the meantime, I hope you acquire some professionalism.
Speaker 4: Burn.
Speaker 1: This felt right out of the Petrovski playbook, except for
Speaker 1: calling her Alexandra. It was basically like it was Petrovski
Speaker 1: pre Petrovski Cabot. I think, I don't know when Petrovski started.
Speaker 1: But Cabot looks shook. She's been scolded. Meredith apologizes to Harper.
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm so sorry. Harper's like, it's okay, it's okay.
Speaker 1: Clearly smirk, said Harper. He is so nasty. This man.
Speaker 1: His name is Neil Maffin. He stopped acting in two
Speaker 1: thousand and five, but he could have come back to
Speaker 1: SVU as like eight different rapists. He's truly like top
Speaker 1: five awful rapists, I think on the show. So Cabot
Speaker 1: is in crazy. Maybe he stopped acting because he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm literally just getting cast as rapists all the time.
Speaker 4: I have to go work on my face or something like.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: But Cabot is in Craigan's office now, she's drinking and
Speaker 1: she's like, do you want any Cabot doesn't know yet
Speaker 1: that Craigan is a sober a Sally and is in AA.
Speaker 1: So she's like, I feel like a kid who got scolded.
Speaker 1: And then she's like, we cannot try this again.
Speaker 4: We have no case.
Speaker 1: His attorney's blue holes in the ID. The wife maybe
Speaker 1: sabotage us on purpose. Cleary now and she's like and
Speaker 1: how Cleary walks and the people get a black eye,
Speaker 1: and Craigan goes, so it's all about you, and Kbbot goes,
Speaker 1: I don't need this Kragan, which you never really hear
Speaker 1: her say anything like that to him. I don't need this, Kragan,
Speaker 1: And then Craigan goes, well, you're whining about your case.
Speaker 1: You forgot about Harper and Laurie and the victims in Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: And then he calls Meredith the biggest victim of all
Speaker 1: because she has to deal with this guy for the
Speaker 1: rest of her life because they share a kid. Like
Speaker 1: can you imagine like your rapist husband gets off and
Speaker 1: you have to like share your child with him because
Speaker 1: there's no legal Like awful happens all the time, I'm sure.
Speaker 1: But Craigan gets a phone call and he's like, we're
Speaker 1: on our way, cut to Meredith Cleary running. I'm close
Speaker 1: up of Meredith Cleary running I make up, tear stained face.
Speaker 1: She says she came by to get some things for
Speaker 1: her son, and Cleary hit her and wouldn't stop hitting her.
Speaker 1: Harper is there, also, her new bff, and she's going
Speaker 1: she didn't have a choice.
Speaker 4: He wouldn't stop and.
Speaker 1: Cleary is lying there dead on the floor, and Benson
Speaker 1: asked who tried to clean up? And Harper goes, oh,
Speaker 1: I did well. Meredith was hysterical about the blood seeping
Speaker 1: into the floor. Does it make a difference? Like she's
Speaker 1: acting so like clueless, like on purpose. It's very fake,
Speaker 1: and Benson goes, you know it makes a difference. Harper
Speaker 1: Bleach ruins the gunshot residue test and Harper's like really,
Speaker 1: and Saber asks, well, who shot him? And there's a
Speaker 1: way too long pause like these women should have gotten
Speaker 1: their stories straight, and Meredith goes, I did, And then
Speaker 1: we panned to Harper's smug face and that's dick wolf baby.
Speaker 4: That's the end.
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of like Reddit threads and stuff
Speaker 1: about like who did it Harper or the wife? It's
Speaker 1: absolutely Harper did it. Absolutely In my mind, Harper did it.
Speaker 1: They ruined the gun residue test because I'm also sure
Speaker 1: she got when she was cleaning up the bleach got
Speaker 1: on her hands, so like, yeah, so she's not gonna
Speaker 1: get any of the gun, like the gun residue. And
Speaker 1: then it's just the fact that also he was shot
Speaker 1: right in the fucking head, and they already showed how
Speaker 1: she was such a good shot, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: and I think the wife was probably like, you do it,
Speaker 1: you get the fucking like, you get the satisfaction. And
Speaker 1: I think the question is did the wife throw it
Speaker 1: on purpose for the mistrials so they could do this plan,
Speaker 1: because maybe Harper talked to her and was like, we
Speaker 1: could do this plan, and that way he's dead and
Speaker 1: you never have to fucking even tell your kid that
Speaker 1: he's in jail.
Speaker 4: You never have to.
Speaker 1: He could get out in twenty years and then he's
Speaker 1: back in your life trying to talk to your kid,
Speaker 1: who knows.
Speaker 4: You know. I feel like it was a plot and
Speaker 4: that Harper had this.
Speaker 1: Harper had a good six months to fucking research every
Speaker 1: in and out of this and get trained in shooting.
Speaker 1: And then she tells, she tells Benson. You think I'm
Speaker 1: this vigilante just trying to shoot him and that's not
Speaker 1: what I want. Like, it's like, no, I think it is.
Speaker 1: I think it might not be totally, but I think
Speaker 1: you love doing it. I think it's probably a great
Speaker 1: thrill for you.
Speaker 2: And I wish I got to see his face the
Speaker 2: moment he realized he was about to get shot by her.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, me too, me too.
Speaker 1: All right, Okay, so excited to hear about this happening
Speaker 1: in real life.
Speaker 2: It's two crimes with two really like silly sentences, like
Speaker 2: hundreds and thousands of years, so I don't know how that.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: Also, we should say that this episode is based on
Speaker 1: the Kathleen Ham case, which we already covered when we
Speaker 1: did the episode Limitations, So if you want to go
Speaker 1: listen to the Limitations again, there's a similar It's The
Speaker 1: Woman who Limitations is the episode where the woman won't
Speaker 1: testify because now she's a Quaker and she thinks that
Speaker 1: her rapist has made good and changed his ways and
Speaker 1: she doesn't think she needs to be forced to testify
Speaker 1: against him, and the statute de limitations is running out.
Speaker 2: This is the Bronx rapist case. Isaac sometimes Ricky Jones,
Speaker 2: Isaac Jones, Isaac Ricky Jones, serial rapist. He's accused of
Speaker 2: attacking fifty one victims over six years in the Bronx,
Speaker 2: Upper Manhattan and Westchester County, but thirty nine instances because
Speaker 2: sometimes multiple women at once, Oh my god, two or three.
Speaker 2: He was truly a maniac. Was a maintenance worker, lived
Speaker 2: in the Bronx. He worked the evening shift at General
Speaker 2: Motors on Fifth Ave, and so he would finish work
Speaker 2: around one am, and then the attacks happened around four
Speaker 2: to five am. And you know, all his coworkers are like, oh,
Speaker 2: he was sweet, smiling, laughing, we love him. But then
Speaker 2: when they searched his lockers, the worker said that he
Speaker 2: had all these women cut out from porno magazines papered inside.
Speaker 2: And it's like, was that not suspicious to anyone? And
Speaker 2: also like, why are you bringing corn to work and
Speaker 2: hanging in your locker?
Speaker 4: That's so crazy to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's a disordered way I think of looking
Speaker 1: at sex and sexuality.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. And of course he had priors. Of
Speaker 2: course he had priors. Convicted of sodomy in nineteen eighty three,
Speaker 2: robbery in nineteen eighty nine, then released from prison in
Speaker 2: ninety three and was on parole until nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 2: But the rape started in nineteen ninety three, and the
Speaker 2: cops did not recognize a pattern until nineteen ninety seven,
Speaker 2: and then started working backwards and finding cases that fit
Speaker 2: the pattern and bringing them forward.
Speaker 4: But that means he was doing all of this on parole. Jesus, Yeah,
Speaker 4: which is like, okay, fire that parole officer. I guess
Speaker 4: fifty one rapes, yes, I guess.
Speaker 1: But if you're showing up to your parole stuff, what
Speaker 1: does the parole officer do.
Speaker 4: They don't follow you, you.
Speaker 2: Know, maybe they should? No, I don't, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: a surprise visit. You couldn't have surprised him on one
Speaker 2: of these rapes. Like, I just I don't understand. It's
Speaker 2: it's wild and I betty, I wonder if he was
Speaker 2: like planning all this in jail in his head, like
Speaker 2: or he did it pre like he did have that
Speaker 2: sodomy charge, but like I just wonder.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So he was arrested finally for his crimes with his
Speaker 2: girlfriend outside of a Bronx pawn shop and trying to
Speaker 2: sell jewelry that he of course, like took from a victim,
Speaker 2: so a lot of similarities to the episodes. So the
Speaker 2: cops sat outside the pawn shop day and night for
Speaker 2: two months to catch him.
Speaker 4: And this jewelry was.
Speaker 2: From a Valentine's Day double rape, Oh my god, which
Speaker 2: his girlfriend then, who was like getting the jewels, said
Speaker 2: she was sitting with him on Valentine's Day watching the
Speaker 2: news of the Valentine's Day double rape, so she was
Speaker 2: like shocked at all this information as well. But like,
Speaker 2: so on Valentine's they're like hanging out watching the news,
Speaker 2: which is like a weird.
Speaker 4: Valentine's Day to be honest, local news.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then they're like watching a peace on the
Speaker 2: on the rapist Oh my god.
Speaker 1: He's and she just thought they were selling probably jewelry
Speaker 1: that he had just like randomly stolen.
Speaker 2: Yeah I found or gotten, Betty. If you do maintenance
Speaker 2: in a building, I'm sure he could.
Speaker 4: Be like I found him. Yeah, yeah, that's true. One
Speaker 4: of the perks he confessed.
Speaker 2: He confessed though, to four rapes and eight arm robberies,
Speaker 2: and then his DNA then linked him to seventeen attacks.
Speaker 2: So I mean, he of course is like I was coursed.
Speaker 2: I was this DNA. It's like there's seventeen Dana like
Speaker 2: shop it just plead Dancy, just plead guilty. But he
Speaker 2: did confess to these rapes and robberies. Other charges he
Speaker 2: got was menacing, possession of stolen property and a weapons possession.
Speaker 2: His victim's crazy age thirteen to fifty three.
Speaker 4: Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And one he raped a woman in front of her daughter.
Speaker 2: Another time raped a daughter in front of the mom
Speaker 2: in an elevator. One time a woman was five months pregnant.
Speaker 2: One just rejected his advances and he raped her like
Speaker 2: he really was, like not discriminated.
Speaker 4: I don't know, just like out there raping.
Speaker 2: He got one hundred and fifty five years to life,
Speaker 2: and then in an additional one hundred and seventy seven
Speaker 2: years for the other crimes and so that and then
Speaker 2: he was sentenced to three hundred and seventy five years
Speaker 2: in jail as well from like og like a dozen
Speaker 2: of other rapes because and it was also like Westchester, Bronx, Manhattan.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so they all there were rapes in all
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 4: So he got all of these years, which I don't
Speaker 4: know why.
Speaker 2: I think it's like funny like, I don't know if
Speaker 2: I hate it or like it, or I could just
Speaker 2: be indifferent and not have a strong opinion. But like,
Speaker 2: I don't know how I feel about these kooky sentences.
Speaker 1: I know, I think that they're supposed to be like
Speaker 1: have impact or something. But I feel like you could
Speaker 1: just say for life, no, no parole for life.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I don't know why three hundred and seventy five.
Speaker 1: I guess maybe it makes victims feel like twenty of
Speaker 1: those years are for me, and twenty of those years,
Speaker 1: or you know, maybe that makes.
Speaker 2: It feel like or I was singing, if technology gets ahead,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 4: Maybe we'll get outchnically free, saying that in jail.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was thinking that too. Actually, I was like,
Speaker 1: you could just say for life, because that covers it.
Speaker 1: Even if we figure out some new technology. There's some
Speaker 1: new berry you can eat that makes you live till
Speaker 1: your fourth hundred, you know, just like yeah.
Speaker 2: And they get free slave labor in there so they'll
Speaker 2: keep them alive, yeah, yeap, or get new ones of whatever.
Speaker 2: Its so hard not to go to the depths of hell. Okay,
Speaker 2: he was not whatever. He kept saying he's innocent. He
Speaker 2: wanted appeals he's like, yeah, I feel bad for these women,
Speaker 2: but I didn't do it. And it's like you had
Speaker 2: the jewelry you at the DNA, don't. I don't understand
Speaker 2: what you're even trying to do here. His lawyer, Kevin Canfield,
Speaker 2: said that the DNA is a perfect tool to exclude
Speaker 2: a suspect, but it should not be used the soul
Speaker 2: like the sole thing to idea man to send him
Speaker 2: to jail for life. And it's like that's in the
Speaker 2: daily news, but I don't know what are you talking about.
Speaker 4: If it's rape, the DNA puts you.
Speaker 2: In jail, Yeah, your jiz is there being like it
Speaker 2: actually isn't.
Speaker 4: No, the DNA is actually all we need. Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: They're always like adding things that are like it has
Speaker 1: to be you know, it should actually be four different
Speaker 1: points of if somebody doesn't see it happen, it can't
Speaker 1: it's not real, you know, like it's really just and
Speaker 1: if there's.
Speaker 4: A witness should unreliable, unreliable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and what years was this? This was like in
Speaker 1: the eighties, three to ninety ninety seven, So it's like
Speaker 1: this guy was probably just like a lawyer that's like,
Speaker 1: fuck this DNA is really fucking a lot of my
Speaker 1: clients over because like the DNA is starting around then
Speaker 1: you're totally right, You're totally right, and now it's like dog,
Speaker 1: it's the standard.
Speaker 4: So don't leave your DNA somewhere where you're committing a crime.
Speaker 2: The Daily News also wrote that the judge said, you
Speaker 2: subjected these women to tearor and no one should have
Speaker 2: to experience this kind of humiliation. You are a persistent,
Speaker 2: violent criminal. And then another judge, and this is in
Speaker 2: the post. It's in the post, but this judge said,
Speaker 2: a remorseless menace to society who hunted women and terrorized
Speaker 2: them for his own pleasure. And that judge gave him
Speaker 2: one fifty five one hundred forty five years. And then
Speaker 2: one victim who spoke out the sentencing. She said she
Speaker 2: was on her way to visit her fiance when she
Speaker 2: was raped in the elevator of his apartment building. As
Speaker 2: a result, my engagement ended. My fiance did not know
Speaker 2: how to deal with a rape victim. I will never
Speaker 2: ever forget what you did to me. Now you will
Speaker 2: not be able to victimize another woman. Yeah, and so
Speaker 2: that shows just like the aftermath, the like crumbling of lives,
Speaker 2: things not working.
Speaker 4: You know. I think they definitely took a lot from
Speaker 4: this case for the episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's probably consistent for most victims of this
Speaker 2: type of crime. And the judges were going off. One
Speaker 2: of them, Justice Fish. He quoted Shakespeare. He wrote, we
Speaker 2: are reminded in Hamlet that the devil hath power to
Speaker 2: assume a pleasing shape. That's in the times like these
Speaker 2: these judges were really going off. He's like, he might
Speaker 2: pretend to be chill, but yeah, whatever, you don't seem
Speaker 2: to be as turned on by this Hamlet.
Speaker 1: No, I'm just kind of like, what does that mean?
Speaker 1: The devil has a pleasing shape? Doesn't that mean that,
Speaker 1: like the devil is this guy hot?
Speaker 4: Like? What are we talking about? Smiley? I think he
Speaker 4: was like, you know, I think people like him.
Speaker 1: I'm literally googling the guy's image to be like, what
Speaker 1: is he gorgeous?
Speaker 4: What's happening when we talking about just this fucking judge
Speaker 4: I'm obsessed with. Yeah, there is a twist.
Speaker 2: There's a twist in a weird element of this case
Speaker 2: is that the cops were staking out for this guy,
Speaker 2: but instead, while they were in playing clothes, they gunned
Speaker 2: down a different man and so I'm sorry for but
Speaker 2: they murdered an African immigrant named Amadu Diallo, and they
Speaker 2: decided to blame Jones for this instead of themselves.
Speaker 4: There was forty one bullets.
Speaker 1: And this is the this is the song that y Kleff,
Speaker 1: friend of the pod, has a song called Diallo where
Speaker 1: he sings about this and like this about this case
Speaker 1: from y Cleff, Like because I was like, what's this
Speaker 1: song about, and I like looked it up and it's like,
Speaker 1: this is one of the biggest cop shootings that kind
Speaker 1: of started a lot of the you know, especially the
Speaker 1: NYPD racism against from the NYPD racism against black men
Speaker 1: and just like random shootings of people who are not
Speaker 1: even armed.
Speaker 4: He was reaching for his wallet, Diallo. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And so you lived less than a mile away from Jones,
Speaker 2: but he fit the description probably just black. And so yeah,
Speaker 2: there was all these protests against Giuliani the police, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, I can't believe they're even trying to spin this,
Speaker 2: like to try to blame this other guy.
Speaker 4: Like it's so it's crazy to me.
Speaker 2: All the news kept saying the cops were looking for
Speaker 2: this man and killed another man, and that's Isaac's fault.
Speaker 2: And it's like, no, make me side with a rapist.
Speaker 2: You guys are fucking like so annoying to me, Like
Speaker 2: if it wasn't and one of the judges even said, like,
Speaker 2: if it wasn't for you, Amadu Diello would be live today,
Speaker 2: and it's like, well, he would be alive if the
Speaker 2: cops didn't shoot him forty one times.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And if you're wondering, the cops were acquitted.
Speaker 2: For sure, they were acquitted of the crime February two
Speaker 2: thousand and Yeah.
Speaker 4: They thought the wallet was a gun. That's what they
Speaker 4: they thought, and they found them not guilty, and they're
Speaker 4: blaming this other guy. It's like so crazy.
Speaker 2: So now Ronnie Shelton, we got Ronnie Shelton, the West Side.
Speaker 1: Rape Little Ronnie Shelton. Wait, why'd you say that? I
Speaker 1: don't know, it just sound doesn't it sound like a
Speaker 1: guy that's like a dork in an eighties movie? Well,
Speaker 1: well it isn't little Ronnie Shelton more than two hundred
Speaker 1: counts of rape? Yeah, asshole, he would be fucking torn
Speaker 1: apart on the con air. They wouldn't have liked him.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, wouldn't have enough body. That's what I mean
Speaker 1: for little Ronnie Shelton on conn Air.
Speaker 4: That's right, all.
Speaker 2: Right, whatever he got three thousand years, Why are these
Speaker 2: cases together? Like so, yeah, this guy got three thousand
Speaker 2: years for being convicted of more than two hundred counts
Speaker 2: of rape, longest sentence in Ohio history.
Speaker 4: But he did take his own life and is dead.
Speaker 4: But it's crazy.
Speaker 2: So September twentieth and you know when like a death
Speaker 2: happens or something different and then all the stuff you
Speaker 2: can find is about that and not the original news. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was like so hard to dig back. I finally
Speaker 2: found some FBI reports, but it was just like.
Speaker 1: That happens all the time, where you're like, you're just
Speaker 1: trying to find out what a serial killer did, and
Speaker 1: it's like he died recently, and you're like, I don't
Speaker 1: care about the death.
Speaker 4: Give me like age twenty of Google. I'm like, what
Speaker 4: the fuck I'm typing in all these different other things
Speaker 4: of like original news victim timeline. Yeah, yes, but September
Speaker 4: twenty eighteen, he was found dead at the Grafton Correctional Institute.
Speaker 2: And it's good he's dead. He was thirty years into
Speaker 2: his sentence, which is also a long time. But he
Speaker 2: jumped off the roof of the prison, so that I
Speaker 2: have a lot of questions. We don't know how he
Speaker 2: got on the roof, but his skull was fractured and
Speaker 2: he was fifty seven, damn. But I wonder if someone
Speaker 2: let him get on the roof because he wanted to die,
Speaker 2: like and Courty was like, give me the needle. I
Speaker 2: don't deserve to live. I sayah, I shouldn't have done it.
Speaker 1: So I shouldn't have done It is kind of rough
Speaker 1: when you've done something two hundred times. Sorry, yeah, like
Speaker 1: a murder, a bank robbery, I shouldn't have done it,
Speaker 1: but like, yeah, you did it two hundred fucking times.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 2: I just can't believe raping so much. And so this
Speaker 2: is the eighties, so pre total DNA for sure. But
Speaker 2: he terrorized women in the eighties across Cleveland for six years.
Speaker 2: He was twenty eight years old when he was convicted
Speaker 2: of raping at least thirty women, and they knew it
Speaker 2: was one person because of them. And it's a again
Speaker 2: tied back to that episode. So he always said the
Speaker 2: same things, don't look at me, don't say anything, if
Speaker 2: you do that, you're gonna get hurt.
Speaker 4: And that's like a local Channel three NBC affiliate in Cleveland.
Speaker 2: But so he would say that he was finally captured
Speaker 2: on an ATM again using a victim card, Like what
Speaker 2: is up?
Speaker 4: Stop doing that, I mean, get caught.
Speaker 2: I'm happy, but like geez, yeah, so yeah, he was
Speaker 2: using a victim card. We got him on ATM on
Speaker 2: the ATM camera, but he was getting caught for voyeurism
Speaker 2: and he would like stake these women out for days,
Speaker 2: but for some reason they kept letting him go but
Speaker 2: also not tying him to any of the attacks, and
Speaker 2: which is strange. But I did find a reddit so
Speaker 2: because it was hard to find like sources for the
Speaker 2: things I needed. But there is a book that was
Speaker 2: written by James Nef that actually seems really really good
Speaker 2: and I want to read it. It's called Unfinished Murder.
Speaker 4: And in the book, this Reddit guy read the book
Speaker 4: and is talking about the book and he said how
Speaker 4: he would break into homes all the time and he's
Speaker 4: been a voyeur since he was young and kind of
Speaker 4: classic bad parents. He was beat a lot, you know,
Speaker 4: shit like that.
Speaker 1: But it is like sounds exactly like the Cheshire Murder guys,
Speaker 1: like the guy one of the guys was like fully
Speaker 1: a voyeur, was doing tons of B and E and
Speaker 1: then accelerate, know, but leveled.
Speaker 2: Up, honey. He lefveled up at twelve. At twelve, he
Speaker 2: was convicted of hammering a twelve year old dead and
Speaker 2: he also raped a twelve year old as a child.
Speaker 4: Oh my god. So there was no rambing.
Speaker 2: He truly was like like following this guy, Yeah, like
Speaker 2: how are we Wow? So the FBI report I found,
Speaker 2: you know, it's zot gov that he was exceptionally verbally
Speaker 2: degrading and vulgar. And while he would do it, he
Speaker 2: would always like he would bring up the voyeurism. So
Speaker 2: he's like, I've seen you with your boyfriend, I've seen
Speaker 2: you around you know who I am. You would have
Speaker 2: details about that and then these details are really fucked
Speaker 2: so but like you're listening.
Speaker 4: To this podcast. But he would rape them vaginally, but
Speaker 4: he would ejaculate on them.
Speaker 2: And so this is very like night stalker to me.
Speaker 2: The eighties, like you could just jiz and puke and
Speaker 2: like piss everywhere.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because they weren't testing anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So he was just like jerking off on every
Speaker 2: because he would mass stbade over them and use their
Speaker 2: clothing to wipe it off. He would then force like
Speaker 2: oral and manual rape and make them swallow as well,
Speaker 2: but yeah, chaotic loose with the fluids, and then the
Speaker 2: the and the fbim O was entering a victim's dwelling.
Speaker 4: Why dwelling? What are you guys trying to be so poetic? Dwelling?
Speaker 4: Is that a thing? I don't know? We're losing it.
Speaker 2: So his emo, he would go through a window or
Speaker 2: a patio entrance that faced a wooded area or bushes.
Speaker 2: He wore ski mask, stocking, or scarf. He would convince
Speaker 2: the victim he was just there to rob them, not
Speaker 2: rape them. But then once he had him under control,
Speaker 2: he would go into rape mode and he would tell
Speaker 2: them to keep your eyes down, cover your eyes, don't
Speaker 2: look at me. I will kill you or hurt your kids.
Speaker 2: And then before he left, he would intimidate them as well,
Speaker 2: like don't call the police, or I'll come back and
Speaker 2: kill you.
Speaker 4: I did like it. The other one stay also too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was like he would take their licenses
Speaker 1: or something, or he would always say I'll come back
Speaker 1: and yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he was a cop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I because I liked in the episode that
Speaker 2: it was like, I'm not going to insult you, like
Speaker 2: you're gonna call the cops. Yeah, yeah, it is kind
Speaker 2: you know, he's a good boy rapist. He wants to
Speaker 2: be seen as a good guy. Isn't that what they
Speaker 2: said in it?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: They did. But like he's so smarmy, like I can't
Speaker 2: even imagine gentleman. Yeah, and you can't call a rapist
Speaker 2: a gentleman. But you guys get what I'm saying. Okay,
Speaker 2: so whatever before we.
Speaker 1: Don't get into the psychology in the episode, but I
Speaker 1: think that kind of guy is like these women probably
Speaker 1: would love this because I'm amazing. I make so much money,
Speaker 1: I'm rich, like whatever, Like they they just don't know
Speaker 1: that they want it, you know. Yeah, and that's why
Speaker 1: he gets pissed when he tries to kiss them and
Speaker 1: they like pull away.
Speaker 4: He's like, why wouldn't you want this? I'm amazing?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So intimidation, and he picked victims he could control, manipulate,
Speaker 2: and who he could project his anger onto. And then
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty nine, at his trial, according to Channel three,
Speaker 2: none of the girls for who I Okay, So he said,
Speaker 2: none of the girls for who I am responsible for,
Speaker 2: deserved what happened to them. So you know, okay, this
Speaker 2: is the judge I want to have sex with.
Speaker 4: Okay, So Timothy J.
Speaker 2: McGuinty, he's an assistant Cuyahoga County prosecutor, but he handled
Speaker 2: the case and then became a judge and then chief prosecutor.
Speaker 2: But he said, I'm so glad these ladies outlived that
Speaker 2: son of a bitch.
Speaker 4: That's kind of hot ap news.
Speaker 2: He also praised more than the third more than thirty
Speaker 2: women who came forward to press charges even after this
Speaker 2: motherfucker taunted them and told them he knew where their
Speaker 2: children went to school and where their mothers lived and
Speaker 2: threatened to kill them and their families if they went
Speaker 2: to the police. And then, this is my favorite judge
Speaker 2: mcinty to Cleveland dot Com he said he was the
Speaker 2: devil's disciple. I've never met a person that evil. I
Speaker 2: don't know, Like these judges are getting poetic, Like, I
Speaker 2: don't know. These quotes are kind of fun. He also said,
Speaker 2: like it was really brave of these women to come
Speaker 2: forward with their names openly, despite it being a different
Speaker 2: set of norms, and in operation thirty years ago, it's
Speaker 2: the eighties, you could still legally rape your wife.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe I was just horny.
Speaker 2: I don't know why I was like so obsessed with
Speaker 2: these judges quotes. I'm like reading them back being like,
Speaker 2: I guess they're fine, but whatever, No, and then if
Speaker 2: you want more information, the book like Jim Knaff published
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety four called Unfinished Murder, The Capture of
Speaker 2: a Serial Rapist Gez Louis.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's also something so sick about like being
Speaker 1: like I'm just gonna rob you and like kind of
Speaker 1: getting people to like, calm down, well, it's not you.
Speaker 2: And it also was like to get them used to
Speaker 2: the violence and know that he was going to be
Speaker 2: violent because like they would, they would because he would.
Speaker 2: He would be violent, and then they would chill during
Speaker 2: the robbing and then he would go back, but they
Speaker 2: they were already scared. I guess that was like part
Speaker 2: of them too.
Speaker 1: But if you're just sitting there thinking, Okay, he's just
Speaker 1: gonna take my jewelry and then he's gonna get the
Speaker 1: fuck out of here, and then he does, like it's awful.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's all awful, but Jesus Christ, a wild
Speaker 1: double episode, wild crimes. Let's we don't have a guest today,
Speaker 1: so let's just jump right into the post mortem. Thank
Speaker 1: you for riding with us through a double episode. I
Speaker 1: try to recap as quick as my little brain can
Speaker 1: do it. And these episodes are so classic for me,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, I mean, I wish we could
Speaker 1: have gotten Tracy Pollend, but.
Speaker 4: And it's just an old It's like.
Speaker 2: They really reiterate how damaging it is to be assaulted
Speaker 2: and the aftermath and all of that. But this one,
Speaker 2: it truly is like slowed down in such an impactful way.
Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, and like I like I was
Speaker 1: saying earlier, like sure, we've seen that from them now
Speaker 1: a few times, but this being like the first time.
Speaker 1: You're like, you guys really were so fucking ahead of
Speaker 1: your time in like two thousand, like doing you know
Speaker 1: episodes like that. So I and we got to see
Speaker 1: Benson in bed. Yeah, the beeper king fighting over a
Speaker 1: beeper in bed. It was amazing. What was I What
Speaker 1: was I gonna say? It's funny, like the guy we've had,
Speaker 1: there's so many guys on the show that are the rapists,
Speaker 1: and I'll look them up and they'll have had like
Speaker 1: long careers even if I don't know them from a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff. It's almost like the guy in this
Speaker 1: episode is like too Raypee looking like he's like because
Speaker 1: he stopped acting like it was like he probably was,
Speaker 1: like I just couldn't play a rapist again, like he
Speaker 1: this guy stopped acting like and he really is one
Speaker 1: of the work I think. I you know, what I
Speaker 1: sometimes conflate him with is the rapist from Behave because
Speaker 1: he's so cocky like that, like I'm never gonna get caught,
Speaker 1: like you know, like smirking at the at the cops
Speaker 1: and like this, and as victims and.
Speaker 4: We gotta get we gotta do Behave at some point.
Speaker 2: But I mean, that's what we're waiting There are some
Speaker 2: we're waiting out for. We're not doing that without Jennifer
Speaker 2: love Hewett.
Speaker 4: We are not. And did I want to know? I
Speaker 4: know what you did last summer? This week? I did
Speaker 4: you did original or the brand new? No? I watched
Speaker 4: the original? Oh I forgot about the new one.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: I was in the background while I did research for
Speaker 2: our podcasts. It's spooky season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that the newest one my at least
Speaker 1: my brother in law told me it was kind of trash.
Speaker 4: So I don't know if I'm going to watch it.
Speaker 4: I mean, I've watched horror movies where it's like a
Speaker 4: killer sloth at a sorority house. I think it can
Speaker 4: like bad. I know what you did.
Speaker 1: That one really scared me. I know what you did
Speaker 1: last summer of the original, Like I saw it in
Speaker 1: the theater and like I was in high school and was,
Speaker 1: so did they clean all.
Speaker 2: Those crabs out so fast from the trunk? It's hard
Speaker 2: to move a dead body, like there are some you know.
Speaker 1: This is kind of my problem with like campy horror
Speaker 1: classics is I think about logistics too much, and I
Speaker 1: feel like that might be that's the virgo in me.
Speaker 1: I am like, how they do that and no one
Speaker 1: saw that, but like I'm always like thinking about that
Speaker 1: kind of crap, you know. Same when I'm watching for you,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find holes, plot holes, baby, But I
Speaker 1: don't know. The post mortem takeaway from this episode is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: never say to a person, why didn't you go to
Speaker 1: the cops, Why didn't you report it? Like we just
Speaker 1: see time and time again. Like it's such a traumatic process.
Speaker 1: But I do think that getting justice, I mean, she
Speaker 1: got great justice. She got to shoot the guy fucking
Speaker 1: dead in this episode, but like, you know, I'm.
Speaker 4: Sure there's shoes.
Speaker 2: But it's also like thinking you've moved on when you
Speaker 2: haven't and just being frozen in time. And it's just like,
Speaker 2: I don't know with this, we're not even in the
Speaker 2: time machine, but like we do this while we're also
Speaker 2: recording like full episodes and you'll know what I'm talking about,
Speaker 2: but researching certain crimes, it's just like it's so sickening
Speaker 2: the idea of like ruining a man's future while ignoring
Speaker 2: that being a victim of this type of crime is forever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the trauma is forever.
Speaker 2: And I don't know, like it just kills me that
Speaker 2: it's even a discussion that we have to like plead
Speaker 2: and beg and be like wait, wait, what about this
Speaker 2: woman's future.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're we're literally about to record an episode where
Speaker 1: this is like fucking it's rue it.
Speaker 2: And we're worried if a guy is gonna be able
Speaker 2: to work again or not. I know, I'm so sick
Speaker 2: of it. I'm so sick. Oh my god, I saw
Speaker 2: the best fucking tweet or meme or whatever. I'm online
Speaker 2: twelve hours a day. I don't know what it was,
Speaker 2: but it's that's something like sexism towards men isn't true
Speaker 2: because it isn't real, because I've been trying to make
Speaker 2: it real for years.
Speaker 4: And I loved that where it's like, oh, I've been
Speaker 4: trying to ruin men's lives forever. It doesn't see it's
Speaker 4: not working. It's not working.
Speaker 1: Some of the worst guys we know are getting chance
Speaker 1: after a fucking chance, you know my god.
Speaker 4: One of them said, something is so weird to me.
Speaker 4: I can't, I can't.
Speaker 2: These pedophiles are running rampant, and it's like, Bro, I've
Speaker 2: been trying to avoid you, like my body language and
Speaker 2: the way I treat you has changed so much, Like
Speaker 2: you really need me to spell it out for you.
Speaker 4: You really need me to go.
Speaker 2: I'm uncomfortable with the rumors about you and the crimes
Speaker 2: you've committed, and I want you to stop fucking trying
Speaker 2: to talk to me, Like, is that what needs to happen?
Speaker 2: Me truly turning away, shrinking, being uncomfortable, not asking that
Speaker 2: none of that is and.
Speaker 1: It's so it's so it's weird because it's like you'd
Speaker 1: think that these guys would be like, oh, fuck the haters,
Speaker 1: but they do try to get everyone to like them,
Speaker 1: especially the ones that don't.
Speaker 4: They dig in and.
Speaker 2: You know, everyone's still talking about the Saudi Arabia festival.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Well, you know we did get like one comment where
Speaker 1: people were like, the and you okay, so Lisa did
Speaker 1: this show that I threw in New York. We were
Speaker 1: all talking about this backstage, and we were talking about
Speaker 1: it with like Josh Sharp and Jay Jorden, and people
Speaker 1: are like, the US is bad too. Don't act like
Speaker 1: our government's not doing horrible shit. A. We know, we
Speaker 1: talk about it all the fucking time. B Neither of
Speaker 1: us is performing at the behest of Donald Trump. Like,
Speaker 1: it's not the same thing to perform stand up. It's
Speaker 1: not like they went to some mom and pop club
Speaker 1: in Saudi Arabia. They went and performed for the government
Speaker 1: that's who paid them. The same money that pays the
Speaker 1: people who murder and chop up journalists is paying them.
Speaker 1: And you guys are acting like it's the same thing
Speaker 1: to like go up at the at the at an
Speaker 1: improv in America.
Speaker 4: It's not the same thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's cliff Tony Hinchcliffe performed at a Republican and
Speaker 2: we hate him and I judge him and I think
Speaker 2: less of him, and I didn't even think much of
Speaker 2: him to begin with. So it's like you're not catching
Speaker 2: anything that you're trying to catch, and stop trying to
Speaker 2: like this is our industry. But yeah, doing a show
Speaker 2: for people, it's a detailed matter. The government who is
Speaker 2: signing your check does matter. Yeah, and if I found
Speaker 2: out someone was performing for ICE or our president, yeah,
Speaker 2: I would not fuck with them. I would judge them,
Speaker 2: and and I made it clear on this I could.
Speaker 2: I will probably do more on ethical things, Like we're
Speaker 2: all trying to figure shit out. I don't love everything
Speaker 2: I do, and people can choose what they want to do.
Speaker 2: But thee so it's a testing because it's not even real.
Speaker 2: It's like you're so dumb you don't even see you're
Speaker 2: not even making the point you think you're making.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that like I saw a video that I know
Speaker 1: you saw because I saw.
Speaker 4: You liked it.
Speaker 1: That was like, you know, talking about Taylor's consumerism and
Speaker 1: someone's like girl while you're drinking a diet coke and
Speaker 1: it's like, what was she supposed to stand like naked
Speaker 1: in front of a brick wall while she makes this
Speaker 1: thing like yes, we're all consuming. No one is saying
Speaker 1: stop consuming things like it's just like I don't know.
Speaker 4: Everybody's what about? What about? All the time. It's driving
Speaker 4: me crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you went and did a show for people
Speaker 2: that did nine to eleven.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have an issue.
Speaker 2: And I think it's different than if you did a
Speaker 2: show for like, I don't know, if you went to
Speaker 2: Kentucky and performed I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, right, like a red state. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, don't
Speaker 1: agree with their government. Still the government is. But also
Speaker 1: were the people allowed? Were women allowed to come watch
Speaker 1: this show? Are gay people even allowed to live there?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: What are we even talking about? I was at that
Speaker 2: show though. Any video from that show it's half empty.
Speaker 2: I did not see one arena.
Speaker 4: Any video.
Speaker 1: I figured phones would have been massively confiscated and they'd
Speaker 1: be like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 4: It's propaganda videos.
Speaker 2: They're like they're truly making videos of Like I had
Speaker 2: so much fun in Saudi Arabia. I can't believe I
Speaker 2: didn't want to go sooner, Like they're making videos doing
Speaker 2: the customs being like we were treated so oh well.
Speaker 4: Oh no oh no. But I mean like footage of
Speaker 4: the show like.
Speaker 2: And it's like, yeah, it's like, uh, it's like one
Speaker 2: of the comics walking out and you look out into
Speaker 2: the venue and like more empty seats than filled seats.
Speaker 4: WHOA embarrassing. Well, it's also embarrassing.
Speaker 2: And it's also and what we were saying was it's
Speaker 2: like it's it's fine, do whatever you want.
Speaker 4: But Bill Burr, shut your mouth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, three years ago on your podcast there's
Speaker 2: you're talking shit about celebrities doing gigs over there, and
Speaker 2: now you're doing it and on your podcast talking about
Speaker 2: how great it was. It's fine, do whatever you want.
Speaker 2: We're all hypocrite. It's like watch my Netflix special. I
Speaker 2: do a joke about this, but like then I don't
Speaker 2: want to hear what you have to say.
Speaker 1: But that's the funny thing too, is like he was
Speaker 1: kind of kind of trying to spin it like but
Speaker 1: I was performing, performing for the regular people of Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 1: It's like, is that who was coming were the regular
Speaker 1: people of Saudi Arabia coming like I feel like it's
Speaker 1: the only people that were at these shows were like
Speaker 1: connected to the government, like right, like elites like right.
Speaker 4: It's not fair to other people at I mean, I
Speaker 4: have no idea.
Speaker 2: I know one of the most famous comics, her wife
Speaker 2: was disappeared because she drove a car I don't know.
Speaker 1: And yeah, and I heard that that he's back and
Speaker 1: she's still missing. He got disappeared and so did his wife.
Speaker 4: And he's listen, I'm meeting up with lots of people.
Speaker 4: Go you wouldn't go. That's what I keep I interacted
Speaker 4: with a few other people that went to somebody saying
Speaker 4: that same to me, what's your price? What's your price
Speaker 4: for the rial comedy? Fives? But enough money.
Speaker 2: It's not even hypothetical the idea of like, well, you wouldn't.
Speaker 2: There are people who declined it. There are dozens of
Speaker 2: people who declined it. It's not some hypothetical thing of
Speaker 2: who can say no or not. Stop saying you would
Speaker 2: do it when there are you would do it.
Speaker 4: You wouldn't.
Speaker 2: But there are people who said no. So there are
Speaker 2: people who were who didn't take the money, who were
Speaker 2: offered it. So stop acting like it's this thing that
Speaker 2: no one could say no to when people already.
Speaker 4: Did say no to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people are like, it's life changing money. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know half of it's going to taxes and agents.
Speaker 1: It's not life is And if you decide you want
Speaker 1: to do it, fucking do it.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean. I did a show with
Speaker 4: Louis c K. I knew he took his dick out.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like we're all of what's going on,
Speaker 2: and I don't think I'm more or less ethical or
Speaker 2: moral than these people. But I'm allowed to judge you
Speaker 2: over the fuck I want and be a guy or
Speaker 2: whatever I want.
Speaker 1: Paul he fracks, I mean, come on, we can't be perfect,
Speaker 1: but we're trying our best and we're not going to read.
Speaker 4: For me, it's not even about any ethics.
Speaker 2: To me, I would not feel safe, and my life
Speaker 2: is worth more than my parents grieving for my death.
Speaker 4: I don't care.
Speaker 1: Yeah I would, I would. I would not go for safety,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I would be scared. So I
Speaker 1: don't care if it's a million dollars.
Speaker 2: And I'm sorry these people were making less, but I
Speaker 2: also don't dream of extreme wealth that's not the life
Speaker 2: I live.
Speaker 4: What are we talking about?
Speaker 1: We just want enough to go on the fucking below
Speaker 1: deck yacht. That's not that's not that extreme, Like we
Speaker 1: just want that. I get ice, coffees, I don't drive.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I buy weed and.
Speaker 2: Trinkets like get me Like, I don't give a fuck
Speaker 2: one dude that way. I was like, well, my wife said,
Speaker 2: we'll pay for the wedding. It's like, okay, I don't
Speaker 2: know why you think that's a necessity of life, but
Speaker 2: sure go have a giant wedding.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're already that extreme wealth though.
Speaker 1: I feel like you'd have a driver, you'd be like Seema,
Speaker 1: you'd have a driver, a cool little around the city.
Speaker 2: To be wealthy, and I make lots of choices not
Speaker 2: to be I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So what would sister Peg do? Our weekly
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Speaker 1: talked about in today's episode, but also a lot of
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Speaker 4: Et cetera.
Speaker 1: And today listen, we're pointing you to an old standby.
Speaker 1: We've pointed you to them before, but it's RAIN. It's
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