WEBVTT - Closure (Part I & II) 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:04.240 Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:07.040 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:07.080 --> 0:00:10.479 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our stories. 0:00:10.880 --> 0:00:27.400 Done done. 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:31.120 Yay, that's messed up an sv podcast. 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:35.720 We're here. My name is Lisa Trager and I'm Kara Klank. 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:39.159 And you know the drill on this pod. It's SVU, 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:43.560 it's true crime, it's guests, and it's chatting, and it's 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:46.800 movie reviews. And I did see one battle after another 0:00:47.720 --> 0:00:49.560 and I fucking loved it good. 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:49.800 Yeah. 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:52.120 I mean I have not heard one person not like it. 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:55.680 Eve very Quarterrarians of the world, and I'm I can't 0:00:55.680 --> 0:00:58.560 wait to see it. It's just been gorgeous in New York. 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:01.959 I know, I'm sure it's been between seventy five and eighty. 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:05.360 I've been out in the streets, like I cannot sit 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:07.200 in a movie theater at the moment, and I live 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:09.440 by them. I smell the popcorn I want in, but 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:11.880 I can't. I have to enjoy every moment. 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:12.720 Yeah. 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:15.199 The thing is is like it's two hours and forty minutes, 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:18.559 but you don't notice at all, Like it goes like it. 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:21.080 It is well paced. It is a good movie. Like 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:21.679 and I hear. 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:23.520 Imax, I think I'm gonna do the Imax or the 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:26.200 thirty five millime. I'm gonna do something, you know that 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:27.520 that the people are saying to do. 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:27.959 I don't. 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:30.800 And I'm not even like a big pt Anderson fan. 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:31.960 Like I like some stuff. 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:36.240 I love that what you say nothing just like the 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:39.440 PTA of it all is funny to me. Yeah, the 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:42.400 New DA makes me laugh. 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:45.200 I'm I'm on the PTA, but I'm not for the PTA, 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:45.800 you know what I mean? 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:46.600 Like, I don't. 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:50.000 I I don't know what Like I love Phantom Thread, 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:52.520 I didn't like Liquorice Pizza. I mean there's He's very 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:56.040 up and down for me, this movie rocks. It's really 0:01:56.080 --> 0:01:59.080 like an It reminds me of just like a nineties 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:01.320 classic that we you could watch like a bunch of times. 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:03.520 Case you haven't seen it yet either. He hasn't. 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:07.480 Oh oh, I also heard Teyana Taylor did like ninety 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:08.839 nine percent of her own stunts too. 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:11.920 Is what I hear. They said, watch out Tom Cruise 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:14.360 is what I was. I'm hearing. She's good. 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:18.720 Her Her career trend trajectory has been so crazy. 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:22.040 Like yeah, I mean she came out as the baddest 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:25.040 bitch we've ever seen, and I guess continues to do it. 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:27.720 I kind of. I think it's been quite consistent. 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:32.880 No, but like music videos, reality and now like a big. 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:35.519 Blockbuster like or not even blockbuster. 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:38.079 Big like you know sort of thing movies like I 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:40.600 don't know She's I had no idea Sean Penn was 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:44.239 in it, and then I saw the movie. I was 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:46.480 like yeah, and then I was like remembering. I was like, 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:50.519 oh man, he like is bad right, Like he he's 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:53.840 an example of My husband always has this theory of 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:56.399 pre too. I think I've talked about it on this podcast, 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:59.560 like if you got like in trouble for like beating 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:02.240 a woman or doing something bad before the Me Too era, 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:04.480 it's almost like they're like, well, we're not talking about 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:08.040 you anymore. Like if your secrets came up during ME Too, 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:10.919 then you got you know what I mean, like Harvey Weinstein. 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:14.080 But like we've let so many guys go. 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:16.920 Because it was like, girl, I was just getting my 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:19.960 eyebrows wax and Mariah Carey was playing so I just 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:21.639 was like to the girl, like, oh have you seen 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:23.920 Mariah's doing all this press. She's being more open and 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:26.639 silly than she usually is. So we start talking about Mariah. 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:27.840 She goes, I need to see her. I go she 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:29.880 does Christmas concerts every year, Like, what are you talking about? 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:33.359 See her very easily, but she goes, yeah, I love 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:34.519 concerts anytime. 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:38.800 Who was it was? It was Chris Brown and someone else. 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:41.200 She goes, I would never miss a Chris Brown show, 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:42.600 and then she said another person. 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:44.360 And I had to be like, uh huh for sure? 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:46.960 And I go, so, you like, she's like, r Kelly, 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:49.080 Chris Brown, I don't miss I. 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:50.520 Yeah. 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:54.880 I was like, I can't relate to that, but yeah, 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:55.600 you know I didn't. 0:03:56.080 --> 0:03:56.520 I don't know. 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:58.920 My friend was telling me this, like they are any 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:02.600 nikey stuff. Oh my god, I've been following the Cardi 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:07.520 and Nikki stuff. Is fucking dark as hell. Anything's into it. 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:11.120 It's really fucking dark. Like I'm so surprised. I mean 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:13.400 not that I know that there isn't, but I'm like, 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:17.239 how is there not a publicist like or an agent 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:20.560 being like stop now, this is this is going nowhere. 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:22.040 But I guess they're like unstoppable. 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:24.919 Well, people like Cardi because she's funny and cool, so 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:26.720 I think her like she's not going to listen. And 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:28.800 then a Nikki, I think she's like hard to work with. 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:30.800 Like I think the people that work around her with 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:34.240 her are probably not like people to let her know 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:34.960 what's up. 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:38.520 Yeah, yeah, that's I mean. 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:40.600 I will say when I met Nikki, she was very nice, 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:42.080 but that was for two minutes once. 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:46.640 But drag Race maybe like works. I don't know. 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:51.080 I just yeah, on drag Race, I don't know if 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:54.440 she has They've definitely saying they've definitely like lip syncs 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:54.840 to her. 0:04:55.880 --> 0:05:00.159 But yeah, like yeah, I don't know. I just I 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:03.800 googled it and it said, oh, she was All Stars 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:06.400 seven in twenty twenty two. Okay, I guess she was. 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:08.440 She served as a judge for Snatch Game. It says, 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:11.400 but that's ai. I don't know if it's true. Why 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:14.400 don't you do minus AI? I don't understand. Why are 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:17.760 minus AI? I try to do that and it didn't work. 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:21.400 Oh it works for me? Yeah, I don't know. I 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:23.440 tried to do that. It doesn't whatever my settings are, 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:29.120 it's not working anyway. That beef is fucking wild. I 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:34.440 have been following what did you think of the new tailor. 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:36.320 I like it. 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:39.320 This is the thing, so I really like it. It 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:42.240 kind of is reminiscent to me of like old like 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:44.960 Abba and like ace of bass vibes for a little 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:48.320 bit of it, like I like it, so Opalite's my favorite. 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:50.640 I love the single The Fate of Ophelia. I think 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:53.680 the video is gorgeous. And then I rode to three 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:56.560 Taylor Swift Life of a Showgirl rides this weekend, so 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:59.080 I went to three Souls in a row that only 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:01.279 listened to this album, so obviously I love it, Like 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:05.880 writing to Canceled was awesome, Like I like Honey, I 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:10.159 like Father Figure, like I'm into it, but if you 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:14.599 rate them all, it's still in last place, like at 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:16.720 the real of Day, it doesn't beat the other ones, 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:19.839 and like I don't have an emotional connection to Fearless, 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:22.520 so maybe I like, but I'm like skipping up. I'm 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:24.400 like singing in the rain, like I am in the 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:28.080 streets fully doing choreo on the sidewalk, like I am 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:29.320 not calm. 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:30.800 I really do like it. 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:31.360 But. 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:34.680 I listened to the I listened to the whole thing, 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:37.599 which I never do when albums first come out, Like 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:39.520 I usually like wait for the singles to hit me, 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:42.320 you know, and what is embarrassing at the end of 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:46.040 the day is really made me cringe, Like I was also. 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:49.360 Cringing, like you're doing. 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:53.000 A song about Olivia Rodrigo. This girl is fifteen years 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:54.480 younger than you. What are you doing? 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:57.839 Is that? What that about father Figure is about Olivia Rodrigo. 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:02.440 Oh and Charlie XCX coke thing is just like I 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:05.919 hate how self referential she is and how slighted she 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:08.360 feels that anything. And it's like people are allowed to 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:12.080 talk shit about you, like you're such a fuckaire, You're 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:13.520 such a baby. 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:16.160 It just it bothers me. I didn't like the movie 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:17.000 cash Grab of it All. 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:20.400 I don't like how desperate she's being about beating Adele's record, 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:21.160 like I. 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:23.280 Got all I'm hearing is like a. 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:26.720 Lot of like that, like even from Swifties that are 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:29.280 just like the consumerism is getting a little bit like 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:29.920 fever pill. 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:32.320 I have the tape and yeah, I got a tape 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:35.680 delivered yesterday. Oh way, a cassette. I ordered the cassette. 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:37.800 How are you gonna play it? Well, I wasn't gonna 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:39.800 play a record or a CD either, but it's tastes 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:41.680 up the smallest amount of space. 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:47.360 Player. Oh cool, yeah, yeah, next time I bought like 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:47.920 one of those. 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:50.440 I bought one of those like seven and one things 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:54.960 that's like a record player, tape CD radio you know. 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:57.000 Anyway, I like it. 0:07:57.120 --> 0:07:58.880 I can play my old mixes from high school because 0:07:58.880 --> 0:07:59.680 I'm a dinosaur. 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:02.200 But oh but it is so fun. 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:08.040 I I'm into wish like I'm into it, So I 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:11.160 don't know, but going after because it's just But then 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:14.080 someone mentioned like she's been depressed, like TTPD. She didn't 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:15.480 want to do press because it was about like all 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:17.720 these sad things. She's like, it's fun to see her 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:22.200 happy and excited. Yeah, I like the outfits. I like 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:24.480 all the things, but it's just. 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:27.520 Well the song Canceled was making me a little bit 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:29.320 confused too. But I'll say I only listened to it 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:31.960 like one time, and I mean kind of like you 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:33.600 have you ever been canceled? 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:34.880 Has anybody around you been? 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:38.000 It's about Blake, It's about how she likes her friends 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:40.600 canceled like she likes her friends on the edge, like 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:43.480 it's something else. And then I heard a theory that 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:46.120 it could be a reputation vault track that she added 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:47.400 to this, but I don't think she would do that. 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:53.200 But I don't know. The Lamb the Sea. I like it, 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:54.679 it's fun. I like the video. 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:57.760 I wish it wasn't all so serious in terms of 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:01.240 the opinions we have to have. But I think if 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:03.840 it is the worst album, I don't know. 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:05.680 But that's when you have. 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:08.280 That many romantic song because it's it sounds like a 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:11.160 Weezer song to me, and I should love it. 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:13.080 But if it wasn't about Charlie, I would like it. 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:17.160 I'm just embarrassed for like, I don't understand yeah, immaturity, 0:09:17.240 --> 0:09:23.400 Like eventually you do have to escape this. I'm a 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:26.360 girl being picked on in high school mentality she has 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:29.400 for some reason. It's like very frustrating as a fan 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:31.559 to be a part of but my yeah album and. 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:35.480 You are thirty five years old, so yeah yeah, And 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:37.280 then other people are like, so the man made you. 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:39.960 But it's like you're allowed to like because someone's like, babe, 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:41.880 you shouldn't be gushing about a guy like this. You're 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:43.719 thirty five. Its it'd be cutef you're twenty two, and 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:45.160 it's like, well, she fell in love at thirty five, 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:46.640 so like, why can't she h, No, I don't care 0:09:46.679 --> 0:09:47.480 about that gush. 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:49.080 Stupid, But I don't care about the gushing. 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:52.000 I mean a lot of dick illusions, Just a lot 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:54.920 of dick illusions on that wood song, like a lot. 0:09:55.240 --> 0:10:01.040 It's embarrassed singing about your husband, Like I don't get it, 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:04.320 but yeah, open lie fado Ophelia, give it to me, 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:09.600 put it in my veins. I also did go to 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:12.520 the dune Dune Diner. Oh my gosh, tell me so. 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:16.520 I had an amazing Saturday. I exit soul Cycle and 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:18.839 I have a text for my friend Sofia, who's in town. 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:20.480 We were supposed to meet up later in the day, 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:23.400 and she goes, I'm in the line. It's a two 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:26.719 hour wait get here, And I go, you know that 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:27.800 stressed me out a meeting. 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:29.480 So I'm like, okay, I have to rush home. 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:31.240 I have to shower, I have to get dressed, and 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:34.440 then I have to get to Rockefeller Center within two hours. 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:39.400 But I did it and Rockefeller Center. Sorry, Matt Rogers. Song. 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:42.720 Way have you seen the new less culture? Says clip 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:46.600 that's been going viral with Malala. No, they're recording in 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:49.120 like a new room and Bowen goes, hey, so we're 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:53.280 not in our usual room. We did get booted for Malala. 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:54.679 And then Matt. 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:57.200 Rogers goes, yeah, you know, between Matt Rogers and Malala, 0:10:57.320 --> 0:10:59.600 you have to go with Malala and that's the role 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:01.600 of culture. And then they start talking and Bowen goes, 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:04.240 but if this was kickball, like I would be picked 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:07.520 before Malala. And Malala ripped that audio and made a 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:10.600 video of her at the gym doing leg day and 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:13.400 it's all like, you don't know what Malala's legs are 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:13.760 up to. 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:19.560 Oh my god, I love that. I'm obsessed. That's so funny. Yeah, 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:23.120 it's so cool. So wait, so you have to get 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:25.240 to a rockefella set up and then what Yeah? So 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:29.559 I get there and it is. It was incredible. 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:34.480 I hope someone from the Sview universe is listening. The 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:39.080 staff and people that were working were beyond. And you 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:40.680 also got free stuff. I didn't realize it was all 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:42.599 gonna be free. But you got like a free bagubag 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:45.560 that said like a lead Squad and it was a 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:48.120 mug and a choice of three hats. The food was free, 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:51.080 the cookie was free, the coffee, like everything's included. 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:53.480 The fun little newspaper, the photo booth. 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:56.160 They're so patient, they want you to look at all 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:59.600 the stuff, and then they stick to it. They're like, hey, 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:02.160 detect dives and they sit you down, and when you 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:04.079 do the trivia on the place mats, they're like, did 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:06.640 you get a break in the case? Like they treat 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:10.120 you like you're a detective. But then finally I asked 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:13.360 one that the waitresses. I go, listen, girl, this is incredible. 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:15.480 I go, you are all so friendly, You're so good 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:18.440 at your jobs and committed, Like is this a marketing company? 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:20.640 Are you an outside events you? Are you an inshant? Like? 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:23.880 What is this? Are you hired actors? Is this NBC Universal? 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:27.000 Who hired you? And she's stating characters. She wouldn't talk 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:29.120 to me, she wouldn't give me the scoop. But I'm 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:32.480 so curious because these people were elite as fuck. And 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:34.640 on the way out, if you filled out a survey, 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:37.640 you got a choice between another a T shirt or 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:39.839 a bracelet. I got the bracelet. What would Olivia Benson do? 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:43.800 But and then you can buy stuff, so like my 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:45.720 friend bought the T shirt and I got the socks. 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:47.920 I got to wear Law and Order socks Saturday night 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:52.000 and I the eggs tasted like chemicals, but I didn't 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:53.400 go I didn't go there for the breakfast. 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:55.800 Yeah yeah, yeah that's a lot. And wait so you 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:57.320 sit down and eat at the diner. 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:01.200 Yes, And not only that, like on the outside where 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:03.960 you see like the dun Dawn and the stuff, employees 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:06.640 are taking photos of you. They're like, you want some separate, 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:10.600 some together, whatever you need right this way. Like I've 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:15.960 just never seen such kindness from a free fan event, 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:19.000 Like I don't know, I was really impressed. Yeah that's cool, 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:22.679 and oh my god, I cut the photo. But there 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:25.400 was like like a bunch of hanging plates and one 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:27.960 of the plates said I just know stuff iced tea, 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:29.080 And it was like all these. 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:30.520 Cool look at me, I just know stuff. 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:35.520 Yeah, it was like a lot of photos an ode 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:36.319 to Benson. 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:39.280 And if I knew. 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:41.280 It was all that, I would have like flown in 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:45.000 for it, Like if I you know, like next year 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:46.920 in the ball, if I know they're doing something for 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:49.240 season twenty eight, I'm coming, I'm gonna fly out. 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:50.120 Because it's like it. 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:52.800 Was just a class act, like even without like seeing 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:55.920 any of the slabs or anything, like they just really 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:58.400 were so fan friendly. 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:00.840 But did you see any because like we had a 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:06.360 listener that sent us like Marishka signing her thing and 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:08.520 then she spelled her name wrong and she was like 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:09.360 it's fine. 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:10.800 It's it's two ends, but it's fine. 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:12.960 She goes no girl, and she gave her another poster 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:15.640 and was like, you got it. You should like speak 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:18.080 up for spelling your name right, and like then they. 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:19.800 Took out a picture and everything. So I was wondering. 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:21.920 I'm sure she came for like an hour or two 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:23.160 and then maybe other people came. 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:25.680 I was wondering if you saw anybody. No, there was 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:28.400 no like, no one was there signing. 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:30.640 And that's what I mean, like just on its face, 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:34.560 it's like such an actually cool fan event where you 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:37.840 do not have to spend a dollar. Wow, you know 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:40.160 what I mean, and you get all this stuff like 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:42.400 I can't wait to wear my done Dune diner hat. 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:42.960 You know. 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:48.320 So if you guys have any scoop, I'm like, who 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:49.080 put that together? 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:49.280 Wait? 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:51.440 Did anyone respond what our merch should be? Have we 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:53.600 got any responses? It is a due day. I don't 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:55.400 think we're gonna have a holiday merch. 0:14:56.040 --> 0:15:00.520 That episode only came out today and so we've gotten 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:02.400 a few, but it's a lot of stuff where people 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:06.120 are like, oh, Benson's haircuts. Throughout the years, it's like 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:10.680 somebody has done that, or somebody said wood room blinds 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:13.880 and cement room bars, which we do sell pens on 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:14.760 our live shows. 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:16.800 That one is what are our pens? 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:21.200 Our pens are ambitious and tipsy, cement room bars and 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:22.680 dumb bitch bitch. 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:26.200 So I get them, dumb bitch. 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:28.600 I think we should get the dumb bitch socks back 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:32.720 in rotation too. Would people wear like just a dumb bitch? No, 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:35.480 those socks are awesome. Let's just let's just do dumb 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:38.480 bitch socks and Christmas colors. I don't even think we 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:40.640 need to do it in Christmas colors. Great, people are 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:43.120 just gonna buy it for each other. Yeah, we're we're 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:45.560 doing dumb bitch socks again. As we never sold them 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:47.520 on the internet, did we on the show? 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:47.640 No? 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:50.160 We only sold them live at live shows. Great, we 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:52.720 got our merch. It's dumb bitch socks. Put them in 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:53.120 your cart. 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:56.560 I'm gonna think a little bit harder. So if anybody does, I'm. 0:15:56.440 --> 0:15:58.320 Gonna think, well, by the time this episode comes out, 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:01.440 we know, but it's like a few I know I'm 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:03.400 going to think today I've been like I've been a 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:05.040 little swamp, but like I want to think of something 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:07.800 because I think that. And well, we were getting a 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:09.440 lot of ideas, like people were like, please make a 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:11.720 rape whistle and I was like I would love to, 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:15.760 and they were like, or like make make a defense 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:17.040 like a knife that says. 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:18.600 Do you have children, detective? And I was like, I 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:22.600 don't know about Like, let's send an email. Like right, 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:25.080 I'm sending an email right now. Can we have weapons? 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:25.720 Can we make what? 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:27.600 They're gonna say, no, one weapons, But I bet a 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:30.160 rape whistle is going to be okay, I'm just predicting. 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:32.880 Well with the rape whistle, say you did what you 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:40.000 needed to to survive. Yeah, your god, that's so good. No, 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:40.640 it's not. 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:45.080 No, not that it's like you did the only thing 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:47.880 you had to do you survived or like some I 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:50.560 mean that's okay. Wait, we got to think about that. 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:51.840 We gotta we gotta work shop it. 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:55.800 But oh wait wait, So because this weekend was huge 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:58.160 obviously with the Dunda and that inner and the Taylor 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:02.400 swift of it, and I had six spots. 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:04.600 And uh and New York weather was popping. I mean, 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:06.920 it's really a confluence of events. 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:07.280 You know. 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:09.600 I went to Union Square did I buy six prints 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:11.720 from a woman where I have note? And she goes, so, 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:15.399 what's up? You're just walking around? I go, yeah, I 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:16.960 have spot pay ears one hundred dollars. 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:18.000 Do you want the money or not? 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:21.840 Bitch, here's a pair of dumb bitch sucks. Stop trying 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:22.639 to downseell me. 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:26.560 I know it was crazy, but this is one of 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:28.520 the best things that I've been waiting for my whole life. 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:31.399 Did happen to me? I'm walking to my spot and 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:33.840 I hear my name. I turn around and there's two 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:37.960 young boys, like young men, sitting and one of them. 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:43.000 Goes, hey, you used to babysit me. Shut up, buck up. 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:46.160 He's twenty one years old now and I baby sat 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:48.600 him in like twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen when I was 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:49.200 in New York. 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:52.679 Wait, back up nanny, Yeah, and ran down to the 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:54.119 backup nanny kids. 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:54.720 Yeah. 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:58.160 So it was it was the family, because there's two 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:00.760 families that like two boys like that. I really loved 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:03.879 the kids, and this was one of them and his 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:06.199 dad's an author and was a professor at Columbia and 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:08.439 their apartment. I'm like, do you guys still love the apartment? 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:10.320 He goes yeah, and he's like, and I live with 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:10.760 my parents. 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:13.280 I'm not good. Like that apartment was incredible. But they 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:14.119 were this great family. 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:16.159 He did ballet and like they took the train and 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:18.119 they would break dance and like, I don't know, they 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:21.520 were just like an amazingly smart, eccentric, cool family that 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:25.919 got along and were hip and cool. And his friend 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:28.320 was nice, and so we chatted. But then his friend 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:29.679 had a little book car. He's like, hey, do you 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:31.960 want a shot? And I go, well, I'm a grown woman, 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:34.200 so it would be really crazy if I started drinking 0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:35.520 from your bookardi in the street. 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:38.440 But and then we. 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:39.919 Talked for a little longer, and I could tell he 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:41.520 was like over and I go, I'm sorry, this is 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:44.800 like longer a conversation than you wanted. But I really 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:46.560 like loved your family. I thought you guys were so 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:50.000 cool and like loving towards each other. And he goes, 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:53.320 you were a really great babysitter. He goes, you showed 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:56.199 us mean girls and see him punk clips. And I 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:58.479 was like, okay, that was twenty fourteen. Me like that 0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:01.480 makes sense, okay, and he's like my sister still really 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:04.200 loves mean girls, and so it was like really cute. 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:06.480 And I followed him and his friend on Instagram and 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:08.040 he's a like an artist. 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:11.000 He makes sculptures and they're really cool. So it's really exciting. 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:14.040 That's so funny because I was just yesterday I ran 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:17.000 across an email from like some old mom I babysat for, 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:18.800 just when I was like searching for something else. It 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:20.159 was like, I wonder what those kids are up too, 0:19:20.200 --> 0:19:22.480 Like so many kids I baby step for are grown 0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:28.160 adults now, and I wonder what they're like. But that's crazy. 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:32.240 I cannot believe because I'm curious what all these kids 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:35.879 thought of me. You know, like, yes, I loved well 0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:40.479 your Your reference to ballet obviously made me think of 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:43.080 Oscar and I wanted to tell you that it was 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:48.840 ballet going he's he actually said the other day, because 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:50.480 you know he's in a. It's in a it's a 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:53.560 combo hip hop ballet, he goes. I don't really like 0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:56.200 the moves for ballet. I like the moves for hip hop. 0:19:56.240 --> 0:19:58.680 And I was like, okay, dog I guess you're gonna 0:19:58.680 --> 0:19:59.960 be a hip hop dancer. 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:02.119 But so is there hip hop classes? 0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:05.080 Well yes, but this is a this is a half 0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:07.160 and half that he's in right now, so he half 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:09.240 the classes ballet and like then he does hip hop, 0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:11.600 but it's it's very light hip hop, like they're doing 0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:15.000 K pop Demon Hunters. But he has decided on his 0:20:15.200 --> 0:20:18.520 Halloween costume and hold on, I want to send you 0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:23.359 the link in the chat because he like he was 0:20:23.520 --> 0:20:26.960 going back and forth between being the different K pop 0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:31.960 Demon Hunters, but now he's gonna be Glinda from Wicked. 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:37.320 And the thing is, though, he spotted the costume that's 0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:41.280 from for Good, so no one's gonna know who he is. Really, 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:43.800 He's just gonna look like a princess, which is fine, 0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:47.720 but like you can't explain that to Licophore. It's like, hey, 0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:50.120 this is actually like the sequel that's like not out yet, 0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:54.520 you know, but it doesn't like the pink dress. Maybe 0:20:54.520 --> 0:20:57.239 I should show it to him as an option and 0:20:57.280 --> 0:20:59.240 be like you, this is from Wicked. This is from 0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:02.000 you know, the first one, because he really likes this 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:05.639 purple one and we've already bought him sparkily crocs to 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:08.119 go with it, and he's like, and I have a 0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:10.359 crown that matches it, And I go, what crown? And 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:11.840 this morning he goes, want me to show you the 0:21:11.840 --> 0:21:13.359 crown and he had it, he pulled it out. I go, 0:21:13.440 --> 0:21:15.560 you're right, that matches perfectly. So now all I'd have 0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:17.639 to get him is this and then like a scepter. 0:21:18.480 --> 0:21:19.080 So I don't know. 0:21:19.200 --> 0:21:21.520 I mean, I think he's just gonna I'm also like, 0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:24.600 I'm also just like low key nervous that he's gonna 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:27.080 get a lot of kids. It's gonna be the first 0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:29.320 time that kids at school are gonna go, why are 0:21:29.320 --> 0:21:31.120 you dressed like a Why are you dressed like a girl? 0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:31.480 Like? 0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:33.520 You know what I mean? Because he wears that stuff 0:21:33.520 --> 0:21:35.119 around the house. No one has ever said anything to 0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:36.840 me wears it. What do you think what do you 0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:38.320 think his response will be. 0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:39.120 I don't know. 0:21:39.560 --> 0:21:42.600 I don't know, Like he is such a weird, like 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:46.919 intuitive dude. I'm just kind of like, I wonder if 0:21:46.960 --> 0:21:50.080 he's gonna be like, yeah, no, And I said, so 0:21:50.119 --> 0:21:51.719 you're gonna wear this to school? I was like, this 0:21:51.760 --> 0:21:53.359 is what you're gonna wear for the parade, And everyone 0:21:53.400 --> 0:21:55.719 at school is gonna is gonna ask you who you are, 0:21:55.720 --> 0:21:57.920 and you're gonna say I'm Glinda, and he's like yep, yep, 0:21:57.960 --> 0:21:59.600 Like he's so excited about it. So I'm like, great, 0:22:00.280 --> 0:22:02.560 you know, I'm like, but I just like I have 0:22:02.720 --> 0:22:03.240 really been. 0:22:03.280 --> 0:22:05.880 It's gonna be the moment that changes his life forever. 0:22:06.240 --> 0:22:09.239 I've been at his school before and heard kids go, yo, bro, 0:22:09.400 --> 0:22:13.119 that's gay, and I've literally shot looks to fourth grade kids, 0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:16.359 and so I'm just making sure. I'm just like, you know, 0:22:16.600 --> 0:22:19.239 I'm just like tentative of like I hope no one 0:22:19.240 --> 0:22:22.000 says anything mean to him, you know, but he is 0:22:22.080 --> 0:22:23.080 four and he's. 0:22:22.960 --> 0:22:27.080 Gonna they might. But he also seems like he's above it. 0:22:27.160 --> 0:22:27.600 I don't know. 0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:29.800 I know, he's probably like not gonna give a fuck 0:22:29.840 --> 0:22:31.440 to be honest, Like I hope. 0:22:31.480 --> 0:22:33.919 So, but he needs to pick a costume of a 0:22:33.960 --> 0:22:37.159 movie that's been out already. That's the big problem. The 0:22:37.240 --> 0:22:40.360 dress doesn't matter. It's like, bitch, the movie's not out, 0:22:40.400 --> 0:22:42.199 you can't I know. But he just saw it and 0:22:42.240 --> 0:22:44.200 he like loves the purple, you know what I mean, 0:22:44.320 --> 0:22:45.920 he could just have the dress. 0:22:46.200 --> 0:22:46.560 I don't know. 0:22:46.640 --> 0:22:48.600 Yeah, because if he wears the little if he wears 0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:52.280 the pink one. Dude, there's the consumerism is crazy. There's 0:22:52.320 --> 0:22:54.840 like an oz dust ballroom Glinda outfit, like I don't 0:22:54.840 --> 0:22:57.160 even remember what she was fucking wearing. There's a little 0:22:57.200 --> 0:22:59.520 stripey number that she wears when they all get there. 0:23:01.000 --> 0:23:04.280 There's and then there's the pink one, and it's like wild. 0:23:04.320 --> 0:23:07.440 There's so many costumes and they make the Glinda one 0:23:07.520 --> 0:23:10.280 for adults. I almost accidentally bought him an adult one yesterday. 0:23:10.320 --> 0:23:13.000 Are you guys dressing up or are you doing? I 0:23:13.000 --> 0:23:14.240 think we like to do. 0:23:14.720 --> 0:23:16.760 I think we have to because we're doing a trunk 0:23:16.840 --> 0:23:19.480 or treat for our kids' school. So it will depend 0:23:19.560 --> 0:23:22.240 on what the theme of the car is, like you 0:23:22.240 --> 0:23:24.240 know what I mean, if we do like a Pokemon car, 0:23:24.400 --> 0:23:26.480 we might like dress up like that because it's the 0:23:26.520 --> 0:23:30.520 parents are running it. So we'll see, we will see. 0:23:30.160 --> 0:23:33.560 I you know, I'm normally throw something together at the 0:23:33.600 --> 0:23:36.959 last minute, menuto, so we'll see what happens. I do 0:23:37.040 --> 0:23:39.040 love our listener down in Orlando who gave me this 0:23:39.119 --> 0:23:42.480 beautiful blonde wig that it feels like that dictates a 0:23:42.520 --> 0:23:44.600 lot of my I'm like, okay, I'm Dolly this year, 0:23:44.720 --> 0:23:47.399 or like I feel like I could be tricksy, Like 0:23:47.400 --> 0:23:49.000 I don't know, this wig kind of works for like 0:23:49.080 --> 0:23:50.600 any big blonde characters. 0:23:51.200 --> 0:23:52.399 What are you gonna be something? 0:23:53.359 --> 0:23:56.880 Yeah, well, I'm performing in Baltimore, so you guys will 0:23:56.880 --> 0:24:00.240 see I'm gonna wear a different costume every night. Oh wait, 0:24:00.280 --> 0:24:04.280 what's the venue in Baltimore. I'm playing the Port Comedy Club. 0:24:04.359 --> 0:24:08.919 I was their last time. It's sam by the water Town. Okay, 0:24:09.000 --> 0:24:10.400 I was. It's gonna be fun. 0:24:10.480 --> 0:24:12.640 I was like, please don't say Magoobi's House of Joke 0:24:12.720 --> 0:24:15.199 because it's just that the name of that place kills me. 0:24:16.200 --> 0:24:18.880 So I'm gonna wear a costume Friday and one Saturday. 0:24:18.920 --> 0:24:21.480 But I did buy them from Dolskill. So they're the 0:24:21.600 --> 0:24:25.600 shortest sluttiest things I've ever worn. But I will be 0:24:25.680 --> 0:24:26.680 wearing them at the show. 0:24:26.760 --> 0:24:28.280 Oh so you're not gonna say You're not going to 0:24:28.359 --> 0:24:29.360 say this is for Baltimore. 0:24:29.400 --> 0:24:31.240 I know, I kind of wanted to be surprised. I 0:24:31.480 --> 0:24:32.440 guess it doesn't matter. 0:24:32.600 --> 0:24:34.920 No, say after say after you can tell me off 0:24:34.960 --> 0:24:36.840 Mic and tell them after Sorry, you got to go 0:24:36.840 --> 0:24:39.240 to Baltimore if you want to see what slutty outfits 0:24:39.280 --> 0:24:41.440 Lisa's being I hope you're being like a slutty laboo boo. 0:24:41.480 --> 0:24:44.000 That'll be kind of funny, all right. 0:24:44.080 --> 0:24:48.080 Well, if you want to know more of Lisa's dates, 0:24:48.240 --> 0:24:49.920 go to That's Messed Up Live. 0:24:50.280 --> 0:24:56.560 Tell your friends in the Amsterdam, Paris, Dublin, London come 0:24:56.600 --> 0:24:56.920 see me. 0:24:57.160 --> 0:25:00.199 Or tell your friends, yes, tell your euro friend to 0:25:00.280 --> 0:25:03.000 get to your ass their asses to see. There's more 0:25:03.040 --> 0:25:05.560 Americans over there than ever. People are fleeing. Tell your 0:25:05.600 --> 0:25:08.720 friends to go to see Lisa. If you want to 0:25:08.760 --> 0:25:12.960 catch Lisa live on the road. 0:25:12.119 --> 0:25:15.000 I'm rehauling my internet presence I'm doing. I'm using this 0:25:15.080 --> 0:25:17.800 new site called punch Up Live. I'm rehauling my website. 0:25:18.080 --> 0:25:20.399 Just go to my bio. Please come see me live. 0:25:20.840 --> 0:25:24.359 Go to the Glitter Cheese Instagram bio. That is where 0:25:24.400 --> 0:25:29.159 you get the information. Also, if you haven't given my 0:25:29.480 --> 0:25:32.280 other little pod that I do with Jackie Zabrowski called 0:25:32.320 --> 0:25:35.080 Who's the Bitch A listen, follow us over there. We're 0:25:35.080 --> 0:25:39.920 getting wild calls all the time and giving advice, So 0:25:40.119 --> 0:25:42.160 come on over and give us a little We've got 0:25:42.200 --> 0:25:42.359 a lot. 0:25:42.480 --> 0:25:42.840 It's cute. 0:25:42.880 --> 0:25:45.439 There's a lot of like people that are like have 0:25:45.560 --> 0:25:47.680 followed her for a while. Or have followed that's messed 0:25:47.720 --> 0:25:49.720 up for a while, and so they're merging and it's 0:25:49.800 --> 0:25:51.680 cute little it's a cute little community. 0:25:51.760 --> 0:25:52.240 Oh my god. 0:25:52.480 --> 0:25:56.000 So speaking of community, I'm walking, I'm walking the streets 0:25:56.240 --> 0:26:00.480 and I see a Corgi that is like the ansomous 0:26:00.560 --> 0:26:03.199 little boy, like with such a pepinist step. Like I 0:26:03.240 --> 0:26:05.439 am looking at this Corgi being like, wow, what a 0:26:05.440 --> 0:26:06.240 happy little guy. 0:26:06.560 --> 0:26:10.399 And the woman walking the corky goes glitter cheese and 0:26:10.560 --> 0:26:11.600 is a listener of the pod. 0:26:11.800 --> 0:26:16.520 So, oh my god, shout out, I recognize each other. Well, no, 0:26:16.600 --> 0:26:18.480 I just was like a fan of the corgy. But 0:26:18.600 --> 0:26:20.160 she was great and she was going to a dog bar. 0:26:20.200 --> 0:26:21.720 So I'm gonna start going to this dog bar. 0:26:22.080 --> 0:26:24.600 Oh hell yeah, that sounds like a great a great 0:26:24.640 --> 0:26:27.040 way to meet new friends, I'd say too. Uh, not 0:26:27.119 --> 0:26:29.000 that you need new friends, but the people that are 0:26:29.000 --> 0:26:31.520 hanging out at a dog bar, I will say. Because 0:26:31.520 --> 0:26:35.439 you were asking if we got any suggestions for merch, 0:26:35.880 --> 0:26:37.880 somebody did write in and go, why don't you call 0:26:37.920 --> 0:26:40.439 your listeners badge bunnies? And I'm like, I don't know. 0:26:40.440 --> 0:26:42.040 Those are people who want to fuck cops, Like, I 0:26:42.040 --> 0:26:43.000 don't think we can do that. 0:26:43.440 --> 0:26:46.600 It's cute. We like the name. We love a badge bunny. 0:26:46.680 --> 0:26:49.240 I just don't think that most of you are actual 0:26:49.320 --> 0:26:53.520 badge bunnies. You know. No, they're not messy bitches. Should 0:26:53.520 --> 0:26:55.560 that be what our girls are called? Because messed up 0:26:55.600 --> 0:27:00.879 and bitch? Oh mess messy, dumb bitch, dumb messy dunban. 0:27:01.200 --> 0:27:04.840 Wait wait, there's a show coming to New York called 0:27:04.880 --> 0:27:07.840 Messy White Gaze and I saw it. 0:27:07.960 --> 0:27:09.480 This is not a paid advertisement. 0:27:09.800 --> 0:27:12.240 I saw a staged reading of it at Dynasty in 0:27:12.440 --> 0:27:16.840 LA like literally the actors holding scripts and I was dying. 0:27:17.040 --> 0:27:19.119 I mean they're not sitting down. They were acting it 0:27:19.119 --> 0:27:22.560 out but holding their scripts. And it was so fucking funny. 0:27:22.560 --> 0:27:24.680 And it's in New York. Go see it, you guys. 0:27:24.760 --> 0:27:26.840 Drew Drogi from the Mind of Drew Drogi one of 0:27:26.840 --> 0:27:29.639 my faves. So funny, go see it. It's like a 0:27:29.680 --> 0:27:33.080 fucking hilarious, like murder mystery with a bunch of like 0:27:33.160 --> 0:27:34.480 gays at brunch. 0:27:34.400 --> 0:27:37.000 Speaking of I wonder if okay, So, so you know, 0:27:37.280 --> 0:27:40.040 I like all my fucking movie games. So someone messaged 0:27:40.040 --> 0:27:42.439 me and went, I bet this movie is good for 0:27:42.480 --> 0:27:44.640 your movie game. It's star studded and it just got 0:27:44.680 --> 0:27:48.080 on Amazon and it's called The Ten but it's Ken 0:27:48.160 --> 0:27:51.000 Marino and David Wayne wrote it and it's their set. 0:27:51.080 --> 0:27:53.000 The movie right after wet hot American Summer, and it's 0:27:53.000 --> 0:27:55.199 about the Ten Commandments. It's a bunch of short movies 0:27:55.800 --> 0:28:00.480 about the Ten Commandments. Paul Rudwinona Rider, Jessica albak Ettion Well, 0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:04.480 John Hamm, my friend, Oh my god, Leave Schreiber, Adam Brody. 0:28:04.600 --> 0:28:08.000 It's like Star stud Ashida Jones, I mean. 0:28:08.119 --> 0:28:13.320 Justin Thireau, like Jason Sudacas, Joe la Truglio, Oliver Platt. 0:28:13.720 --> 0:28:14.080 It is. 0:28:14.200 --> 0:28:16.880 It keeps going and going, and I really really liked it. 0:28:17.119 --> 0:28:20.800 Geni Garoffalo and I wonder if you would like it 0:28:20.800 --> 0:28:23.600 because it's wet hot American humor. It's so it's really 0:28:23.640 --> 0:28:27.040 fucking funny. And he said it was impurgatory and unable 0:28:27.119 --> 0:28:30.120 to be released for years, and now it's on Amazon 0:28:30.119 --> 0:28:31.679 and I watched it and I really liked it. 0:28:31.800 --> 0:28:33.639 Okay, I'm gonna watch I'm gonna see I Jared. I'll 0:28:33.640 --> 0:28:35.199 I'll watch this with Jared because I bet he'll love 0:28:35.240 --> 0:28:38.720 it too. All right, let's get started. Longest intro ever 0:28:39.200 --> 0:28:43.840 uh and uh, yeah, we've got a great episode for 0:28:43.880 --> 0:28:54.440 you guys. Don't go anywhere, Okay, we I'm excited about 0:28:54.440 --> 0:28:57.560 this one. This one is definitely lodged in my brain 0:28:57.600 --> 0:29:00.600 as one of my early s few episodes. But we 0:29:00.640 --> 0:29:05.280 are doing episode an episode from season one episode ten 0:29:05.360 --> 0:29:08.160 called Closure Part one, and then we're also going to 0:29:08.240 --> 0:29:11.479 do Closure Part two, which is season two episode three. 0:29:11.840 --> 0:29:15.640 These episodes came out one in January and one in 0:29:15.720 --> 0:29:18.840 November of the year two thousand, so an eleven month, 0:29:19.200 --> 0:29:22.640 like you know, laps in terms of viewers. 0:29:23.040 --> 0:29:25.360 And we've never done an episode that I don't think. 0:29:25.800 --> 0:29:29.880 I guess we did cover Born Psychopath and like Postgraduate Psychopath, 0:29:29.960 --> 0:29:32.720 which had like a ten year spam, but this is 0:29:32.720 --> 0:29:35.320 the only one that has like a little time jump 0:29:35.400 --> 0:29:38.040 that we're doing in the same episode. So it's I 0:29:38.040 --> 0:29:40.560 think it's kind of fun and I love a season 0:29:40.560 --> 0:29:44.680 one episode. So we open on a blonde with wet 0:29:44.720 --> 0:29:47.920 hair sitting in her bedroom smoking a sig. It's kind 0:29:47.920 --> 0:29:50.600 of giving Carrie Bradshaw, but this is SVU, so I 0:29:50.600 --> 0:29:52.920 don't think she's overthinking a comment for mister Big like 0:29:53.040 --> 0:29:57.520 it's not good. There's a timestamp that reads eleven seventeen 0:29:57.600 --> 0:30:01.240 PM and she up her landline. 0:30:01.400 --> 0:30:01.920 It's like this. 0:30:01.960 --> 0:30:05.600 Big ass brick landline phone from two thousand and she 0:30:05.800 --> 0:30:08.640 slowly dials nine to one one. We can see there's 0:30:08.680 --> 0:30:10.760 a big bruise on her cheek when the camera kind 0:30:10.760 --> 0:30:12.960 of pans around to her other side and she tells 0:30:12.960 --> 0:30:16.360 the operator, I've just been raped. Cut to a pile 0:30:16.400 --> 0:30:19.080 of clothes on the floor with a beeper going off, 0:30:19.200 --> 0:30:22.400 and who reaches for it but the beeper king himself 0:30:22.560 --> 0:30:28.320 Dennis Duffy aka Detective Brian Cassidy aka New York Magazine 0:30:28.320 --> 0:30:32.440 cover boy Dean Winters, and he's in bed with Benson. 0:30:32.760 --> 0:30:37.320 It's like, this is everything Casey forgot. He's not muted 0:30:37.360 --> 0:30:40.680 and just gave us a big woo. I love that 0:30:40.760 --> 0:30:45.200 so much. It was a ercle sexual No, keep it in, 0:30:45.320 --> 0:30:46.920 I want it. Casey was like. 0:30:47.120 --> 0:30:52.120 Nah uh he yes, yeah, seeing them in bed together. 0:30:52.240 --> 0:30:55.360 We've never seen Benson in bed again with anyone. 0:30:56.000 --> 0:30:58.440 Well, I said that we don't see her after we 0:30:58.480 --> 0:31:00.560 saw her in a shower towel. 0:31:01.000 --> 0:31:04.000 No, but we see her in bed in season twenty 0:31:04.040 --> 0:31:08.680 three when she has after having sex with Aiden Quinn's character, 0:31:08.920 --> 0:31:11.280 who we hate because he groomed her as a teen, yeah, 0:31:11.520 --> 0:31:14.800 and like that's that's happening. Yeah, yeah, Like but it's 0:31:14.880 --> 0:31:17.160 twenty three seasons later they're like, all right, let's put 0:31:17.160 --> 0:31:18.040 her in bed again, you know. 0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:19.080 But like that, we. 0:31:19.000 --> 0:31:21.960 Don't get any like sexy stuff we see or maybe 0:31:22.040 --> 0:31:24.080 leaving a date we have her like you know, getting 0:31:24.080 --> 0:31:26.400 a kiss on a forehead from Tucker. Like we do 0:31:26.440 --> 0:31:31.880 not see her actively like naked implications of nudity. I mean, 0:31:31.920 --> 0:31:33.680 she's like not wearing a shirt for sure. 0:31:34.560 --> 0:31:36.840 And not to give too much away, but you know, 0:31:36.960 --> 0:31:39.920 he's obsessed and she's like, theybe I used you for 0:31:39.960 --> 0:31:41.400 sev eight, Get out of my face. 0:31:41.480 --> 0:31:42.000 Yeah. 0:31:42.240 --> 0:31:45.960 So they're both like kind of scrambling whose beeper is it. 0:31:46.080 --> 0:31:51.400 I'm also noticing when Cassidy reaches for the pager that 0:31:51.480 --> 0:31:54.040 I see a tattoo of like a long horn or 0:31:54.120 --> 0:31:56.040 it might be a long horn skull, but it's like 0:31:56.760 --> 0:31:59.520 it's on his I think it's a long horn. It's 0:31:59.520 --> 0:32:04.520 like some kind of cow with big horns, and it's 0:32:04.560 --> 0:32:07.120 on his arm. And then there's also a long horned 0:32:07.280 --> 0:32:09.600 skull hanging on the wall of their apartment when him 0:32:09.880 --> 0:32:13.520 live eventually move in together. Like many seasons later, So 0:32:13.640 --> 0:32:16.880 what's the story? Like, I don't think that he's he's 0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:18.720 like from New York. Like, I don't know if there's 0:32:18.760 --> 0:32:20.880 like a Texas connection with this man. But he's got 0:32:20.880 --> 0:32:24.160 a tattoo. Maybe it's like Dean Winters actually has that tattoo. 0:32:24.440 --> 0:32:27.560 Like it's like they have to work in uh maloney's tattoos. 0:32:27.840 --> 0:32:31.640 But anyway, I just clocked the Longhorn. I'd like to 0:32:31.640 --> 0:32:32.560 know what's going on there. 0:32:32.920 --> 0:32:34.600 Anyway. It's Benson's beeper. 0:32:34.320 --> 0:32:36.440 Going off and she's like, gotta go, and he's like 0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:38.520 that was incredible and she's like, don't get used to 0:32:38.560 --> 0:32:40.719 it while she ties a robe on and then boom. 0:32:40.760 --> 0:32:43.680 It's the credits, the most concise cold open of all time, 0:32:44.000 --> 0:32:48.200 exactly one minute, including in the criminal justice system, like 0:32:48.560 --> 0:32:51.959 so concise, and then the gang in the opening credits 0:32:51.960 --> 0:32:54.720 in season one is only Benson, Stabler, Cragan, and Belzer, 0:32:55.080 --> 0:32:56.840 a skeleton crew Jeffries. 0:32:56.880 --> 0:32:58.200 Isn't there no one else? 0:32:58.920 --> 0:33:01.440 So now Live is at the er at the top 0:33:01.440 --> 0:33:03.640 of act one and the timestamp is twelve forty two 0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:08.760 and she meets Harper Anderson played by Tracy Pollin, who 0:33:09.480 --> 0:33:12.120 she's an actress. She was on Family Ties in the eighties, 0:33:12.600 --> 0:33:14.800 and there she met Michael J. Fox, and she's been 0:33:14.840 --> 0:33:17.920 married to Michael J. Fox ever since the meeting him there. 0:33:18.200 --> 0:33:19.480 But then a lot of what I read about her 0:33:19.520 --> 0:33:21.760 said she took a step back to concentrate on her 0:33:21.800 --> 0:33:26.239 marriage and her children and whatever. She's acted on and 0:33:26.240 --> 0:33:28.800 off since then. She was actually nominated for an Emmy 0:33:28.840 --> 0:33:31.920 for this performance. She doesn't win, but she's nominated for 0:33:31.920 --> 0:33:34.960 a Guest Actor Emmy. And I was looking at her IMDb. 0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:39.080 She's played Natalie Holloway's mom twice in two separate movies, 0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:42.440 and she's in an episode of Inventing She's in an 0:33:42.480 --> 0:33:45.320 episode of Inventing Anna, which is like a recent thing 0:33:45.360 --> 0:33:46.800 that I think a lot of people have seen. And 0:33:47.160 --> 0:33:49.160 she has a TV holiday movie coming out soon. It 0:33:49.160 --> 0:33:52.720 seems so she dabbles, okay, but I think she's great 0:33:52.720 --> 0:33:55.120 in this episode, worth the nom She's been waiting for 0:33:55.120 --> 0:33:57.440 forty five minutes in the hospital. She just wants Benson 0:33:57.480 --> 0:33:59.080 to call her Harper and like talk to her like 0:33:59.080 --> 0:34:02.600 a person. She briefly describes her assaults as he grabbed 0:34:02.600 --> 0:34:05.720 her ankles, her wrists, hit her in the face, vaginally 0:34:05.760 --> 0:34:08.040 penetrated her, finished on her stomach and then wiped it 0:34:08.080 --> 0:34:09.680 off with one of her shirts, and then he made 0:34:09.719 --> 0:34:12.080 her take a shower, and then Benson has to go 0:34:12.200 --> 0:34:14.279 like convince a doctor to give her a rape kit. 0:34:14.320 --> 0:34:16.359 He's like, I'm busy, and she's like, are they stable? Okay, 0:34:16.400 --> 0:34:18.600 let's get to the rape kit. So you could tell 0:34:18.680 --> 0:34:22.040 even from season one, like whether it was Benson or 0:34:22.120 --> 0:34:24.439 Mrshca Hargeta, I don't know who was like first at 0:34:24.440 --> 0:34:27.880 this what like getting rape kits done and eventually processed 0:34:27.960 --> 0:34:30.640 was like a passion of the character and the person 0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:34.520 and the actor in real life. So we see all 0:34:34.560 --> 0:34:37.520 the photos being taken of the injuries, the oral swab, 0:34:37.600 --> 0:34:38.400 et cetera. 0:34:39.080 --> 0:34:43.680 Rape kits, Chiller like, I don't get it. There's gotta 0:34:43.719 --> 0:34:44.720 be a better way. 0:34:45.320 --> 0:34:47.799 I mean that member we read about the woman that 0:34:47.840 --> 0:34:49.640 tried to do at home rape kits, It's like those 0:34:49.640 --> 0:34:54.200 are never going to survive chain of custody. But the 0:34:54.280 --> 0:34:56.920 timestamp is now one oh three am, and you know 0:34:57.200 --> 0:34:59.640 they're trying to take us through. This is the tenth 0:34:59.640 --> 0:35:01.839 episode to the show ever, so like even though we've 0:35:01.880 --> 0:35:04.440 seen this many many other times before, this is the 0:35:04.480 --> 0:35:06.360 first time we're seeing them do an episode like this 0:35:06.520 --> 0:35:09.279 where this is like the night in the life of 0:35:09.320 --> 0:35:11.480 a victim of sexual assault, like which I think we 0:35:11.560 --> 0:35:13.439 have to show respect for them doing this. 0:35:13.440 --> 0:35:15.920 This is two thousand, like a bunch of shows weren't 0:35:15.920 --> 0:35:16.200 doing that. 0:35:16.239 --> 0:35:20.040 And it's a slow, work paced episode, Like it's definitely different. 0:35:20.239 --> 0:35:23.319 I wonder if they had pushed you know, it's like 0:35:23.400 --> 0:35:25.399 it's not a bottle of it, but it's different. It's 0:35:25.400 --> 0:35:27.960 like different paste than a lot of s you yes, 0:35:28.120 --> 0:35:32.880 and the rape Kits scene is longer than most I 0:35:32.880 --> 0:35:36.360 would say, though, is just shann Asassman episode Yeah with 0:35:36.480 --> 0:35:39.080 the gray that like really takes you through it, but 0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:41.720 it's it's it's. 0:35:41.520 --> 0:35:42.320 A long scene. 0:35:42.440 --> 0:35:45.080 Jennifer Love Hewett episode Behave, Like I think they take 0:35:45.080 --> 0:35:46.719 you through it, like you know, they take you through 0:35:46.760 --> 0:35:48.040 it a lot to show you because I think the 0:35:48.040 --> 0:35:50.359 show's goal has always been to like show that when 0:35:50.360 --> 0:35:52.120 people are like just report it, go to the hospital, 0:35:52.200 --> 0:35:54.560 it's like, look at what everybody has to go through, Like, 0:35:54.600 --> 0:35:56.520 look at what you have to go through this like 0:35:56.640 --> 0:35:59.920 invasive exam after it's hours after you've just been assaulted, 0:36:00.760 --> 0:36:02.879 and there's a doctor that barely wants to do it, 0:36:03.040 --> 0:36:06.080 and you know what I mean, so anyway, I think 0:36:06.120 --> 0:36:09.239 this is probably one of the first times a television 0:36:09.280 --> 0:36:13.520 show on mainstream like network TV is showing this is 0:36:13.560 --> 0:36:14.959 what a rape victim goes through. 0:36:15.200 --> 0:36:16.880 Like maybe they did something like this on ER. 0:36:17.000 --> 0:36:19.880 I'm not like an ER completist, but this is you know, 0:36:20.120 --> 0:36:21.480 they're doing it here, and I think it's like, we 0:36:21.520 --> 0:36:23.799 got to give them props because it's twenty twenty five 0:36:23.840 --> 0:36:25.960 years have gone by and not as much has changed 0:36:26.000 --> 0:36:28.640 in the world of sexual assaults as we would have hoped. 0:36:28.680 --> 0:36:34.360 But they're doing what they can. At SVU. As the 0:36:34.400 --> 0:36:37.239 doctor's doing the vaginal swab on Harper, Benson's like, okay, 0:36:37.239 --> 0:36:38.640 well we need a UV light to look for the 0:36:38.640 --> 0:36:40.520 semen on her stomach and the doctor's like, yeah, we 0:36:40.560 --> 0:36:42.480 don't have it. And they go back and forth being like, no, 0:36:42.600 --> 0:36:44.040 it looks like this and I know what it is, 0:36:44.040 --> 0:36:45.880 but we don't have it, and like Harper's like, oh, 0:36:45.920 --> 0:36:49.000 Like she gets really irritated cause it's like you're kind 0:36:49.040 --> 0:36:50.920 of talking about her, like she's not there and that 0:36:51.000 --> 0:36:52.879 it's just like this piece of equipment that you need, 0:36:52.920 --> 0:36:56.359 and you know you can tell that it's like upsetting her. 0:36:56.360 --> 0:36:59.239 So anyway, two eleven am, the doctor gives her a 0:36:59.280 --> 0:37:01.640 pill to prevent pregs and see, don't forget you could 0:37:01.640 --> 0:37:04.919 get pregnant. She has to take more of this, more 0:37:04.960 --> 0:37:07.719 pills later than they tell her STD test results. We 0:37:07.760 --> 0:37:09.839 back in twenty four hours. Don't forget you could get 0:37:09.840 --> 0:37:12.399 an STD. Then she has to retest in three months, 0:37:12.480 --> 0:37:14.840 and then in six months because it could take that 0:37:14.920 --> 0:37:16.560 long for an STD to show up. This isn't going 0:37:16.600 --> 0:37:19.040 to just be over after you tell the police and 0:37:19.080 --> 0:37:20.480 they go grab the guy you know. 0:37:21.640 --> 0:37:23.200 Live tells her like, don't worry. 0:37:23.200 --> 0:37:25.879 The state pays for all this, and Live needs her 0:37:26.040 --> 0:37:28.080 formal statement, and she's like, but we could do it 0:37:28.080 --> 0:37:29.640 tomorrow if you want. And Harper's like, I want this 0:37:29.680 --> 0:37:31.400 to be over with, So they go down to the station. 0:37:31.920 --> 0:37:34.680 Stabler is now talking to the doctor who tells her 0:37:35.080 --> 0:37:37.640 there's no real signs of trauma and like the blow 0:37:37.680 --> 0:37:39.640 to her face could have been much worse, and it's 0:37:39.680 --> 0:37:41.879 like and he goes the guy used as little force 0:37:41.920 --> 0:37:46.399 as possible and explains to Stabler, like how he made 0:37:46.400 --> 0:37:49.200 her shower, so the chances of DNA are slim so 0:37:49.960 --> 0:37:51.920 and it's like any punch in the face. 0:37:51.680 --> 0:37:53.640 Could be worse. What are you talking about. It's like 0:37:53.719 --> 0:37:56.759 anyone can game into our home. It's like, t like, 0:37:56.800 --> 0:37:59.360 why are you downplaying a thing? Yeah, to do the 0:37:59.400 --> 0:38:00.680 punch to her face could be worse. 0:38:00.719 --> 0:38:03.120 She got punched in the face, like, yeah, her face 0:38:03.239 --> 0:38:05.960 be ripped off, Like could There's a million ways anything 0:38:05.960 --> 0:38:10.120 could be worse, you know. But then Harper had earlier 0:38:10.160 --> 0:38:12.640 mentioned that she had a uniform police officer with her, 0:38:12.640 --> 0:38:15.000 but he wasn't with her when Benson walked up because 0:38:15.040 --> 0:38:17.480 she found him annoying and sent him to the cafeteria. 0:38:17.800 --> 0:38:20.399 So no, that UNI comes back and Stabler's like, never 0:38:20.480 --> 0:38:22.600 leave a rape victim alone. I don't care what she says. 0:38:22.640 --> 0:38:24.560 It's like, well, she did hate you, so I don't know. 0:38:24.880 --> 0:38:26.919 And then the UNI's like, I'll vouch for the rape kit. 0:38:27.000 --> 0:38:28.640 Benson and Stable are going to get her statement. So 0:38:28.680 --> 0:38:31.120 now there are three forty five and we're in wood 0:38:31.160 --> 0:38:33.680 room blinds with Harper. She's like, there was a street 0:38:33.719 --> 0:38:37.600 fair outside my apartment, so I put earplugs in and 0:38:37.880 --> 0:38:40.120 I think that this all happened on Halloween because we 0:38:40.120 --> 0:38:43.239 find out later it was a Halloween parade and she 0:38:43.320 --> 0:38:46.000 woke up to a guy standing there staring at her. 0:38:46.120 --> 0:38:48.719 He told her to shut his her eyes and said 0:38:48.760 --> 0:38:51.800 he had a gun. She said, it happened so slowly, 0:38:52.040 --> 0:38:54.120 like sometimes people are like it all happened so fast, 0:38:54.120 --> 0:38:56.479 and she's like, it happened so slowly, like she looked 0:38:56.480 --> 0:38:58.040 at the clock, and she said, the whole thing took 0:38:58.080 --> 0:39:00.840 forty two minutes, which actually I thought was like the 0:39:00.960 --> 0:39:02.560 entire assault, and I was like, oh my god, no, 0:39:02.640 --> 0:39:04.239 But it's like from the time he came in to 0:39:04.440 --> 0:39:06.759 the time he left, it was forty two minutes. He 0:39:06.800 --> 0:39:10.480 took her nightgown and shoved it over her head, but 0:39:10.560 --> 0:39:12.360 like kept it there so that it was like stuck 0:39:12.520 --> 0:39:15.239 and she couldn't see. And then he took her ring. 0:39:15.680 --> 0:39:17.960 He tried to kiss her. She jerked away. That's when 0:39:18.000 --> 0:39:21.560 he hit her. She starts in with the regrets, like 0:39:21.600 --> 0:39:23.239 I should have kicked him, I should have run, and 0:39:23.280 --> 0:39:25.719 lives like obviously doing her thing, where she's like, you 0:39:25.719 --> 0:39:27.440 couldn't have done any of that if he had a gun, Like, 0:39:27.520 --> 0:39:31.680 don't you know she has so many details like that, 0:39:31.800 --> 0:39:34.800 you remember, She's like he thrust five times and he said, 0:39:34.880 --> 0:39:36.040 is this how you like it? 0:39:36.480 --> 0:39:38.279 And then he, you know, ejaculated on her. 0:39:38.280 --> 0:39:40.040 Stomach, and then he made her shower and he said 0:39:40.080 --> 0:39:42.600 please when he was having her get in the shower, 0:39:42.960 --> 0:39:44.720 and like the whole time she walked to the bathroom, 0:39:44.760 --> 0:39:46.640 she says, her arms are still over her head, like 0:39:46.719 --> 0:39:50.320 trapped in her nightgown. And then he ran the water, 0:39:50.480 --> 0:39:52.840 asked her if it was too hot, adjusted it so 0:39:52.920 --> 0:39:54.360 that it was right, and then he took off her 0:39:54.440 --> 0:39:57.520 nightgown and he washed her, told her she had pretty hair, 0:39:58.320 --> 0:40:02.120 touched her stomach, touched every thing, she says, and then 0:40:02.920 --> 0:40:05.040 handed her a towel and a robe and told her 0:40:05.080 --> 0:40:06.799 to get on the floor and look away and count 0:40:06.800 --> 0:40:09.160 to twenty. And she said, I'm not going to insult 0:40:09.200 --> 0:40:10.960 you by asking you not to call the police. And 0:40:11.000 --> 0:40:14.200 then she goes, thoughtful, wasn't it. So now it's four 0:40:14.400 --> 0:40:18.319 thirty six am and Harper has a boyfriend and he 0:40:18.360 --> 0:40:20.120 doesn't have keys to her place, but she has keys 0:40:20.120 --> 0:40:24.719 to his interesting and then she tells She tells them, well, 0:40:24.760 --> 0:40:26.640 I never saw the gun, but he held it to 0:40:26.680 --> 0:40:28.840 my head when he caught me looking at him in 0:40:28.880 --> 0:40:32.319 the shower. And then she describes him tall, thin, white 0:40:32.440 --> 0:40:37.200 sandy hair, cold eyes, how tall, tallish age and she goes, 0:40:37.360 --> 0:40:40.080 my age. You know, she goes someone I he looked 0:40:40.080 --> 0:40:41.759 like someone I would know, like someone I would hang 0:40:41.800 --> 0:40:44.680 out with, but she didn't know him. And they're like, 0:40:44.719 --> 0:40:47.479 anything weird happened lately, Like strangers in your neighborhood, weird 0:40:47.480 --> 0:40:50.279 phone calls. She's like, no, nothing like that. This guy 0:40:50.320 --> 0:40:54.040 like wasn't nervous. He was you know, he didn't seem 0:40:54.080 --> 0:40:57.440 like he was fumbling or anything. He was also wearing 0:40:57.480 --> 0:41:00.520 cologne and she said it was subtle, not she stuff. 0:41:00.960 --> 0:41:04.400 And she said she could absolutely identify him in a lineup. 0:41:04.760 --> 0:41:05.279 And this is. 0:41:05.239 --> 0:41:08.879 A man now who she's seen him like, she saw 0:41:08.960 --> 0:41:10.759 him and he's not wearing a mask. She's seen him 0:41:10.800 --> 0:41:12.880 standing over her bed. Then she doesn't see him for 0:41:12.920 --> 0:41:14.680 a while. Then she sneaks a peek in the shower, 0:41:14.680 --> 0:41:18.719 but she has seen him. And so five oh one 0:41:18.880 --> 0:41:21.440 am Harper is describing the ring that he took. It 0:41:21.520 --> 0:41:24.000 was her grandma's. It was very rare, platinum branch with 0:41:24.080 --> 0:41:27.040 diamond leaves. And he took her wallet as well, and 0:41:27.120 --> 0:41:28.839 he must have taken the T shirt that he used 0:41:28.840 --> 0:41:29.520 to clean up the. 0:41:31.440 --> 0:41:34.600 Jizz on her stomach, and then it was her. It 0:41:34.680 --> 0:41:36.560 took you a second to figure out what word you 0:41:36.560 --> 0:41:39.280 are going to use in there. I know jizz I picked. 0:41:39.160 --> 0:41:42.920 Jizz I'm sorry I chose jizz I chose violence. And 0:41:43.000 --> 0:41:45.359 then she said it was her Rosie the Riveter t shirt, 0:41:45.400 --> 0:41:47.560 which is kind of like a sad irony that like, 0:41:47.640 --> 0:41:49.360 Rosie the Riveter is like, we can do it, and 0:41:49.400 --> 0:41:51.879 that's like the shirt he uses to like clean up 0:41:51.920 --> 0:41:54.600 the aftermath of him violating her. But it was also 0:41:54.719 --> 0:41:57.040 Rosie the Riveter was Rosi's first Halloween costume and it. 0:41:57.000 --> 0:41:58.400 Was really cute anyway. 0:41:58.880 --> 0:42:03.280 Five point nine we find out that Harper waits tables 0:42:03.320 --> 0:42:05.920 and when then's table asks her what laundromat she uses, 0:42:06.120 --> 0:42:08.359 she like at this point, she like puts her head 0:42:08.360 --> 0:42:10.880 on the table and she's sighing, like she looks so tired. 0:42:11.000 --> 0:42:13.879 She's like, my laundromat, Like what are we Like? They're 0:42:13.920 --> 0:42:16.080 combing through every detail of her life, Like she has 0:42:16.160 --> 0:42:21.480 now been poked, prodded and questioned for six hours. So 0:42:21.600 --> 0:42:24.560 now it's six thirteen in the morning. They are finally done. 0:42:25.000 --> 0:42:27.400 She's gonna have them take her to her boyfriends. She 0:42:27.400 --> 0:42:29.600 hasn't even told him yet. She doesn't know what to say. 0:42:30.600 --> 0:42:31.400 Seven or one. 0:42:31.400 --> 0:42:33.839 Books too, and it's kind of in the real crime too, 0:42:33.960 --> 0:42:36.360 but that like the people around you don't know how 0:42:36.400 --> 0:42:40.120 to deal with it or like yeah, of course you know, yeah, 0:42:40.920 --> 0:42:43.520 yeah awful. That's why it's annoying when it's like all 0:42:43.520 --> 0:42:46.000 about the guy's future, not about the victims. 0:42:46.360 --> 0:42:49.120 It's like so like Fox. 0:42:48.880 --> 0:42:54.520 You up, yeah, yeah, yeah, the whole the whole thing 0:42:54.560 --> 0:42:56.560 is very dehumanizing from start to finish. 0:42:56.640 --> 0:42:59.080 And I mean, I also wish there was a better way. 0:43:00.200 --> 0:43:04.080 Uh So at seven oh one, Live walks Harper up 0:43:04.120 --> 0:43:06.120 to her boyfriend's door and is like, Okay, we're going 0:43:06.200 --> 0:43:08.080 to go search your apartment. The state's going to pay 0:43:08.080 --> 0:43:10.120 to change the locks. A counselor is going to call 0:43:10.160 --> 0:43:12.640 to set up an appointment. She gives Harper her page 0:43:12.640 --> 0:43:14.560 your number and says call any time day or night. 0:43:14.600 --> 0:43:17.240 It doesn't matter if I'm midfuck with Cassidy. This bitch 0:43:17.280 --> 0:43:20.560 is going to answer, you know. Harper smiles at Live 0:43:20.680 --> 0:43:23.719 before she goes inside, like obviously, like you know, it's 0:43:23.760 --> 0:43:25.840 only the tenth episode, but Live has a connection with 0:43:25.840 --> 0:43:27.880 the victims, and she's going to for the next twenty 0:43:28.360 --> 0:43:33.839 thirty years at Harper's apartment. Now, Stabler and Cassidy are 0:43:33.880 --> 0:43:36.040 already at work. The perp got in through a window 0:43:36.080 --> 0:43:37.680 on the fire escape and it looks like the lock 0:43:37.719 --> 0:43:39.839 has been busted for a long time, and they start 0:43:39.840 --> 0:43:42.239 going through the timeline and immediately you want to kill 0:43:42.280 --> 0:43:44.680 both of these men. Okay, they're like, all right, if 0:43:44.719 --> 0:43:47.040 her nightgown's over her head, how did she see the clock? 0:43:47.200 --> 0:43:50.440 And Benson's like before the nightgown? Like what, like this 0:43:50.600 --> 0:43:52.920 is not hard. Then they find like a half smoked 0:43:53.000 --> 0:43:56.319 joint and suddenly Cassidy and Stabler thinks she got high 0:43:56.320 --> 0:43:59.560 with her rapist before it all happened like, and they're like, well, 0:43:59.560 --> 0:44:01.160 she didn't ment in the pot at all, and it's 0:44:01.200 --> 0:44:02.120 like case closed. 0:44:02.120 --> 0:44:02.799 She made it up. 0:44:02.840 --> 0:44:05.960 She didn't mention smoking a joint, so she's making it 0:44:06.080 --> 0:44:08.880 up and they think maybe he They haven't found her underwear, 0:44:08.960 --> 0:44:11.600 so they think maybe like he kept it as a trophy. 0:44:12.080 --> 0:44:15.600 But then in the bathroom, lives like, well the curtain's wet, 0:44:15.640 --> 0:44:19.440 and Cassidy goes but the soap isn't and lives like, no, 0:44:19.800 --> 0:44:21.720 I know where you're going with this and you're wrong, 0:44:21.800 --> 0:44:24.839 and he goes, come on, you know, this is what 0:44:24.880 --> 0:44:28.000 happens with staged rapes. Women will wet the shower curtain 0:44:28.040 --> 0:44:31.840 but not the soap. And I'm like, do all women 0:44:32.000 --> 0:44:35.040 take a shower after a staged rape? I guess if 0:44:35.040 --> 0:44:36.960 you were actually staging a rape, you would, because you 0:44:36.960 --> 0:44:39.160 would like want to say that that's why there was 0:44:39.160 --> 0:44:41.080 no DNA, but like, I don't know, I don't think 0:44:41.080 --> 0:44:43.600 that this is a smoking gun. Yah, it's not a 0:44:43.640 --> 0:44:46.480 smoking gun of any kind. And then Cassidy puts a 0:44:46.520 --> 0:44:48.399 curling iron up to Live's head and goes, what does 0:44:48.400 --> 0:44:50.600 this feel like? And she goes a curling iron, he 0:44:50.640 --> 0:44:53.080 goes a gun. I don't get what you are trying 0:44:53.120 --> 0:44:55.279 to prove. If she thought it was a gun, it 0:44:55.360 --> 0:44:57.360 was a gun in her head and she was terrified. 0:44:57.800 --> 0:44:59.600 Like whether he was faking the gun or not has 0:44:59.640 --> 0:45:02.800 nothing to do with Harper. And so they're all like stablers, 0:45:02.840 --> 0:45:06.840 like no seminal fluid, no vaginal trauma. It's like, okay, 0:45:06.880 --> 0:45:10.759 so because he wasn't as rough as possible during this 0:45:11.280 --> 0:45:14.440 sexual assault, he could get away with it. Like what 0:45:14.480 --> 0:45:15.280 are we talking about? 0:45:15.360 --> 0:45:18.000 I just don't get how that's even, Like that's like 0:45:18.600 --> 0:45:21.319 thousands of years of conditioning and brain stormy, Like why 0:45:21.360 --> 0:45:24.200 would your instinct always be the question of victim of assault. 0:45:24.239 --> 0:45:26.960 Yeah, or you wouldn't in any other crime. It's like yeah, 0:45:27.000 --> 0:45:29.480 and you're the detectives that are supposed to do it, Like, 0:45:29.600 --> 0:45:32.240 I don't know what you see. It happen all the time, 0:45:32.360 --> 0:45:33.560 so why are you shocked? 0:45:33.960 --> 0:45:36.080 Yeah, It's like if you walked into a robbery victim's 0:45:36.120 --> 0:45:38.239 house and they still had something expensive there and you're like, well, 0:45:38.239 --> 0:45:40.400 they didn't take this. This might be right, this might be staged. 0:45:40.440 --> 0:45:43.799 Like it's like all bad, it's all bad faith. So 0:45:44.440 --> 0:45:47.960 there are stablers like no semen, no vaginal trauma. And 0:45:48.000 --> 0:45:50.840 Cassidy's like maybe she was high and paranoid, it's like, 0:45:51.080 --> 0:45:56.239 and spent seven hours describing it in detail, and Live goes, well, 0:45:56.239 --> 0:45:58.240 this morning she said she felt like it never happened. 0:45:58.280 --> 0:46:00.759 Is that what you wanted to hear? And goes no, 0:46:00.800 --> 0:46:03.640 but maybe that's the truth. So you know, fuck Cassidy. 0:46:04.200 --> 0:46:07.839 And he's not getting any points with Benson. I'll say 0:46:07.840 --> 0:46:11.600 that after they just woke up from fucking earlier. So 0:46:11.719 --> 0:46:14.360 at the precinct, Cassidy's eating Halloween candy out of a 0:46:14.360 --> 0:46:19.759 little Halloween bucket, little pumpkin bucket and explaining why it's 0:46:19.760 --> 0:46:22.879 his job to doubt rape victims, and Craigan insists, well, 0:46:22.920 --> 0:46:24.520 for now, it's an open case and we got to 0:46:24.560 --> 0:46:24.880 work it. 0:46:25.040 --> 0:46:27.280 So no fingerprints, no DNA. 0:46:27.400 --> 0:46:30.960 This guy's five eight, white, sandy haired, right handed, so 0:46:31.360 --> 0:46:34.600 very not specific, like you know, that's many men in 0:46:34.640 --> 0:46:38.239 the city, many men anywhere. He smelled rich, is what 0:46:38.360 --> 0:46:41.640 Benson adds. Let's check his mo against other cases. This 0:46:41.719 --> 0:46:44.000 guy asked her if she liked it, said please. In 0:46:44.080 --> 0:46:47.080 his fantasy, he's the perfect gentleman. So they're gonna check 0:46:47.120 --> 0:46:51.000 pawn shops and vendors at the Halloween carnival. Check pawn 0:46:51.040 --> 0:46:53.560 shops for the ring, check vendors at the Halloween carnival 0:46:53.640 --> 0:46:56.160 for like people who have priors I don't know. And 0:46:56.160 --> 0:46:58.759 then Craigan tells liv you got to ask Harper about 0:46:58.800 --> 0:47:01.200 the pot. And then he's like, the pot makes me 0:47:01.280 --> 0:47:03.560 nervous and lives annoyed. She's like, we're not gonna bust 0:47:03.600 --> 0:47:06.160 her on that, like and this is so two thousand, 0:47:06.320 --> 0:47:09.160 Like pot is so much more not an issue now, 0:47:09.239 --> 0:47:11.840 but like in two thousand, it was still like you could. 0:47:11.760 --> 0:47:13.360 Just throw people in jail for that. 0:47:13.520 --> 0:47:17.400 So at Harper's boyfriend's place, we meet her boyfriend Benji 0:47:17.600 --> 0:47:20.720 spelled with a JY and he is played by Roger 0:47:20.800 --> 0:47:23.840 Bart who is a Tony Award winner in Tons of Stuff, 0:47:23.880 --> 0:47:26.160 and he's the freaky conservative talk show host who rapes 0:47:26.160 --> 0:47:30.080 Anna Schlumski in the episode twenty five acts that we've covered. 0:47:30.760 --> 0:47:33.439 So he's got us season one and then he's got 0:47:33.440 --> 0:47:35.680 like a way like a teen season I think later. 0:47:35.920 --> 0:47:38.399 So Benji's pissed, he wants to kill the guy who 0:47:38.400 --> 0:47:40.480 did this, and Benson's like, I think what Harper needs 0:47:40.480 --> 0:47:43.960 from you is unconditional acceptance. So now we're at Harper's 0:47:43.960 --> 0:47:46.000 restaurant and they ask her about the pot, like, of 0:47:46.040 --> 0:47:47.960 course she's at work the next day, Like, work's not 0:47:47.960 --> 0:47:50.000 going to give you time off to like process your 0:47:50.520 --> 0:47:52.520 trauma that's happened to you, at least not in the 0:47:52.560 --> 0:47:53.240 year two thousand. 0:47:54.040 --> 0:47:57.359 So why they ask her about the pot? Why didn't 0:47:57.400 --> 0:47:57.880 you mention it? 0:47:57.960 --> 0:48:01.080 And she's like, listen, smoking pot's not part of my routine, 0:48:01.120 --> 0:48:02.839 Like I had a job interview. I was just trying 0:48:02.840 --> 0:48:05.240 to mellow out. And she's very bothered by the question, 0:48:05.400 --> 0:48:08.960 and rightfully so. So now at Harper's apartment, the locksmith 0:48:09.000 --> 0:48:11.239 is changing the locks and the super is like the 0:48:11.280 --> 0:48:13.640 super goes, I mean, nothing like this ever happens in 0:48:13.680 --> 0:48:15.360 this building, Like, yeah, we found a body in a 0:48:15.400 --> 0:48:18.520 dumpster once, but never anything like this. And it's like, okay, 0:48:18.560 --> 0:48:20.840 I'm still a body in a Dumpster's not great, you know, 0:48:21.120 --> 0:48:23.480 Like he's acting like this is like this is a 0:48:23.480 --> 0:48:26.640 classy building. But the super has no information. He hasn't 0:48:26.640 --> 0:48:27.439 seen anybody weird. 0:48:27.440 --> 0:48:28.000 He knows nothing. 0:48:28.040 --> 0:48:31.000 So now we're talking to an sbu classic, a funny 0:48:31.000 --> 0:48:33.480 old lady who didn't see anything but knows somebody who did. 0:48:34.080 --> 0:48:36.800 And she points up to an apartment across the street 0:48:36.800 --> 0:48:38.360 where we see a sketchy. 0:48:38.000 --> 0:48:39.600 Man peering out from behind a curtain. 0:48:40.080 --> 0:48:43.680 So clearly some neighborhood peeping tom that everybody knows about. 0:48:44.440 --> 0:48:47.040 And that wasn't my community back in New York, and 0:48:47.080 --> 0:48:49.279 I kind of wish it was. So they go to 0:48:49.320 --> 0:48:52.319 that guy's apartment is named Sam Lardner, and he's got 0:48:52.400 --> 0:48:55.040 three previous call ins for trespassing. I don't know if 0:48:55.040 --> 0:48:56.960 that means he ever got arrested or anything, but the 0:48:56.960 --> 0:48:59.440 cops have been called on him. He tells them, oh, 0:48:59.440 --> 0:49:01.440 I don't know who Harper is, and they're like, oh, 0:49:01.520 --> 0:49:03.799 she lives on the second floor across the way, and 0:49:03.840 --> 0:49:07.560 he's like, third floor, Like he corrects them, so obviously, pervert. 0:49:07.239 --> 0:49:08.879 Says, what you know? Like they tricked him. 0:49:08.880 --> 0:49:11.880 He knows exactly where she lives, and when he sees 0:49:11.960 --> 0:49:15.320 that they might be accusing him, he admits, Okay, it 0:49:15.360 --> 0:49:15.680 wasn't me. 0:49:15.719 --> 0:49:16.480 I saw everything. 0:49:16.800 --> 0:49:19.080 I saw the guy climb the fire escape, the previous 0:49:19.080 --> 0:49:19.960 tenant broke the lock. 0:49:20.280 --> 0:49:21.160 Creepy that you know that. 0:49:21.600 --> 0:49:25.200 He describes the attack exactly as Harper describes it, and 0:49:25.320 --> 0:49:27.480 he has no answer when they ask him, why didn't 0:49:27.440 --> 0:49:29.840 you call the police, And he can't describe the purp 0:49:30.040 --> 0:49:32.640 and why because his eyes were on Harper the entire 0:49:32.680 --> 0:49:35.440 time that she was being assaulted, because he's a fucking freak. 0:49:35.719 --> 0:49:40.080 So not call for hell? I just can't. I can't. 0:49:40.239 --> 0:49:42.640 Obviously, the cops are staring at him like you're a 0:49:42.680 --> 0:49:44.320 fucking heartless freak. 0:49:44.320 --> 0:49:45.560 How could you just watch this. 0:49:45.480 --> 0:49:48.120 Woman be attacked and basically get a boner and not 0:49:48.200 --> 0:49:48.840 call anyone? 0:49:50.000 --> 0:49:51.719 And he's like, what are you gonna do to me? 0:49:51.880 --> 0:49:54.359 And Benson goes the same thing you did for her 0:49:54.600 --> 0:49:57.200 and turns around, We're gonna do fucking nothing to you. 0:49:57.200 --> 0:49:58.120 You're not worth our time. 0:49:58.640 --> 0:50:01.960 But back at the house, Craigan asks the gang if 0:50:02.120 --> 0:50:04.279 Harper seems like the kind of gal who would buy 0:50:04.320 --> 0:50:07.760 five hundred dollars of hand packed meats, and done done, 0:50:07.760 --> 0:50:11.719 someone has used her credit card. So Munch brings in 0:50:11.760 --> 0:50:14.680 the perp and looky, looky, who it is. It's Baby 0:50:14.760 --> 0:50:18.600 McGrath aka Terry Serpico, friend. 0:50:18.360 --> 0:50:20.239 Of the pod who we just had last week. We 0:50:20.320 --> 0:50:22.240 did not mean to back. 0:50:22.080 --> 0:50:25.879 To back his Baby Days episodes, but we did. As 0:50:25.880 --> 0:50:30.680 they're hauling Baby McGrath off to an interrogation room, Cassidy 0:50:30.719 --> 0:50:32.840 has a like you left your scrunchy at my place 0:50:32.840 --> 0:50:38.480 moment with live and like hands her her watch. Yeah, 0:50:38.520 --> 0:50:40.719 it's like a it's like a it's a watch. But 0:50:40.760 --> 0:50:42.520 she's like put she goes, oh yeah, thanks, and like 0:50:42.520 --> 0:50:43.759 puts it on and you could tell she does not 0:50:43.800 --> 0:50:45.680 want to talk to him, and he shoots a shop 0:50:45.680 --> 0:50:48.360 for another date and she's like, babe, we went to Maloney's. 0:50:48.360 --> 0:50:48.960 We got drunk. 0:50:49.080 --> 0:50:50.600 I wanted it to happen as much as you did, 0:50:50.680 --> 0:50:51.960 but that's all I wanted to happen. 0:50:52.280 --> 0:50:54.600 And he's like, is this because I doubted a rape victim? 0:50:55.000 --> 0:50:55.879 And he's like. 0:50:58.280 --> 0:51:00.520 He's like that was the job that is a personal 0:51:00.640 --> 0:51:03.160 and live goes you know what. Neither was last night 0:51:03.560 --> 0:51:06.880 and I'm shivering. That is so cold. It is so 0:51:07.120 --> 0:51:08.120 cold and so good. 0:51:08.680 --> 0:51:13.400 And then I had like a consent moment in to 0:51:14.280 --> 0:51:17.439 you both wanted like, yeah, I like sex. 0:51:17.880 --> 0:51:19.840 I'm a grown woman. I wanted to bang you. But 0:51:20.000 --> 0:51:22.400 like you know, we find out. I mean, like so 0:51:22.560 --> 0:51:25.200 in the next scene, Stable and Benson are at their lockers, 0:51:25.200 --> 0:51:26.880 which I think we see some of these lockers at 0:51:26.880 --> 0:51:28.600 the very beginning and like never again, but there is 0:51:28.600 --> 0:51:29.239 a locker. 0:51:29.000 --> 0:51:30.239 That's also lockers. 0:51:30.280 --> 0:51:32.640 Also like change located, like sometimes they're just right in 0:51:32.640 --> 0:51:34.520 the middle of the pre stasm of the are the 0:51:34.560 --> 0:51:35.080 side room. 0:51:35.280 --> 0:51:37.200 Sometimes they have it in the crib, like the rumin 0:51:37.440 --> 0:51:38.400 Sleep has lockers. 0:51:38.480 --> 0:51:39.560 Yeah, so I don't know. 0:51:39.600 --> 0:51:42.319 It's very confusing, but at this point and I like 0:51:42.400 --> 0:51:46.080 the early season room the most. Like the squad room. 0:51:46.160 --> 0:51:47.719 I like it so much. I like the ringing of 0:51:47.760 --> 0:51:50.400 the phones, I like the click clack of the typewriter paper. 0:51:50.640 --> 0:51:53.480 I like the like the big paper stacked up on 0:51:53.520 --> 0:51:56.719 the desks, like the regular corkboard that like is kind 0:51:56.719 --> 0:52:00.239 of shitty and not like nothing is electronic yet, you know, like, 0:52:00.600 --> 0:52:02.280 I get it, we got to evolve with the times. 0:52:02.320 --> 0:52:04.600 But like, I love the squadroom. I think that's why 0:52:04.640 --> 0:52:06.040 they did it at the Emmys. They made like an 0:52:06.080 --> 0:52:08.319 old ass squadroom with like a fan, you know, to 0:52:08.400 --> 0:52:09.919 make like people remember. 0:52:09.719 --> 0:52:13.560 Like you love this. So the lockers are iconic, but 0:52:13.640 --> 0:52:14.320 like you don't see that. 0:52:14.400 --> 0:52:16.239 But there is one that says brisco And I'm like, 0:52:16.360 --> 0:52:19.960 is that Kenny Briscoe the son who is in one episode? 0:52:20.200 --> 0:52:21.040 Because I don't think that. 0:52:21.960 --> 0:52:23.879 I don't think that the other law and Order people 0:52:23.920 --> 0:52:26.200 work out of the same precinct the ones from Regular, Right, 0:52:26.239 --> 0:52:26.959 they're different people. 0:52:27.000 --> 0:52:29.359 I don't know yahing about Regular, Like it really ends 0:52:29.400 --> 0:52:30.960 with me and people always want to bond with me, 0:52:31.000 --> 0:52:32.440 and I'm like, find another friend. 0:52:32.960 --> 0:52:35.759 Yeah, I've seen a few episodes, but I couldn't even 0:52:35.800 --> 0:52:38.120 really point out any of their plots, Like I don't Yeah, 0:52:38.160 --> 0:52:41.080 it's not really that's not my I'm a We're one. 0:52:41.440 --> 0:52:44.040 We're one alley Way gals. 0:52:44.120 --> 0:52:47.239 Okay, So Stabler and Benson are shooting the shit at 0:52:47.239 --> 0:52:50.320 the lockers about meat guy, and then out of nowhere, 0:52:50.360 --> 0:52:52.080 he goes, so how long you've been banging Cassidy? 0:52:52.120 --> 0:52:54.000 I mean he doesn't say it like that, but he asks. 0:52:53.760 --> 0:52:56.040 Her and she denies it and is like, no, I 0:52:56.080 --> 0:52:58.080 mean no, it's not that's not happening. 0:52:57.800 --> 0:52:59.800 Like and then finally. 0:52:59.400 --> 0:53:01.480 She gives it up and she's like, is it that obvious? 0:53:01.480 --> 0:53:03.359 And he's like, I'm your partner. We all know way 0:53:03.400 --> 0:53:05.839 too much about each other, blah blah blah, and she's 0:53:05.880 --> 0:53:08.799 like asking Stabler kind of like like what do I do? 0:53:08.880 --> 0:53:10.719 Like I didn't want it to go this far, like 0:53:10.800 --> 0:53:13.080 he wants to see me again, like I don't you know? 0:53:13.440 --> 0:53:17.760 And Stabler says, be nice, maybe even be over nice. 0:53:17.800 --> 0:53:20.240 He'll be cold, but he'll get over it. It happens, 0:53:20.280 --> 0:53:23.280 and she's like, really, I mean, I think the issue 0:53:23.280 --> 0:53:25.800 for her is not that she doesn't like like Cassidy. 0:53:25.880 --> 0:53:27.439 It's that she doesn't want to shit where she eats, 0:53:27.440 --> 0:53:29.279 Like she doesn't want to get involved. 0:53:28.960 --> 0:53:30.480 With anybody at work, which is smart. 0:53:30.920 --> 0:53:33.359 So but when you're married to the job, unfortunately, that's 0:53:33.360 --> 0:53:34.719 the only kind of person you're really going to meet. 0:53:34.880 --> 0:53:37.279 So that is who she has available for fucking. So 0:53:38.680 --> 0:53:41.360 now they're talking to the meat thief baby McGrath, and 0:53:41.360 --> 0:53:42.760 he has a long rap sheet. 0:53:43.080 --> 0:53:44.920 Benson is able, we're questioning him. 0:53:44.719 --> 0:53:47.239 And five hundred pounds did he want to start like 0:53:47.280 --> 0:53:48.000 a restaurant? 0:53:48.160 --> 0:53:50.279 I just don't get why you need that much. And 0:53:50.280 --> 0:53:53.799 they don't get into it. They don't ask him. They're 0:53:53.800 --> 0:53:55.560 not like, what were you doing with all that meat? 0:53:55.640 --> 0:53:58.600 Bro like not like just five hundred pounds? Sat like 0:53:58.600 --> 0:54:00.640 you're gonna have a barbecue. 0:54:00.000 --> 0:54:01.759 Like it's not your card, but you didn't want to 0:54:01.800 --> 0:54:04.200 start with maybe twenty pounds of meat and see what happened? 0:54:04.239 --> 0:54:06.640 Yeah, yeah, wild. 0:54:06.800 --> 0:54:08.359 I think a lot of people, though, go for big 0:54:08.400 --> 0:54:10.440 because they think if the card's going to get if 0:54:10.440 --> 0:54:12.279 it goes through, they're like, great, I got a run, 0:54:12.280 --> 0:54:14.279 because then it's eventually gonna get called in, so they 0:54:14.280 --> 0:54:15.240 don't go for small. 0:54:15.360 --> 0:54:18.800 I don't know. It's like when people I remember always 0:54:18.800 --> 0:54:19.720 hearing in New York. 0:54:19.520 --> 0:54:21.200 That when people steal credit cards, the first thing they 0:54:21.200 --> 0:54:23.560 do is they go by monthly metro cards because they're 0:54:23.600 --> 0:54:25.040 like one hundred and thirty dollars and you can just 0:54:25.080 --> 0:54:26.319 get them. You don't have to put in a pin, 0:54:26.360 --> 0:54:28.480 you don't have to sign, you just and it's like 0:54:28.520 --> 0:54:32.600 expensive and you can get it quickly. But yeah, anyway, 0:54:32.800 --> 0:54:35.760 so okay, so Benson is table are questioning baby McGrath 0:54:35.800 --> 0:54:38.239 about anything but the meat, and he starts to get 0:54:38.239 --> 0:54:41.200 the idea that he starts to like they start to 0:54:41.200 --> 0:54:42.440 ask about like the rape, and he's. 0:54:42.280 --> 0:54:43.480 Like, whohahahaho, who who woa? 0:54:43.600 --> 0:54:45.640 I did not rape anybody. He goes, I was in 0:54:45.680 --> 0:54:48.560 a holding cell last night for jumping a turnstyle. Imagine that, 0:54:48.640 --> 0:54:51.360 like your life involves, just like being in jail multiple 0:54:51.400 --> 0:54:53.440 days in a row. You're like, oh, no, yesterday, I'm 0:54:53.440 --> 0:54:55.319 here now, but yesterday I was here for a different thing, 0:54:55.480 --> 0:54:59.840 like I was not committing a crime. So he's he 0:55:00.000 --> 0:55:03.160 I was in jail for holding him for jumping a turnstyle, 0:55:03.239 --> 0:55:05.239 and he's like, I found that wallet in a garbage can. 0:55:05.320 --> 0:55:07.400 There was no cash, so obviously I had to use the. 0:55:07.360 --> 0:55:08.840 Credit card by five hundred pound a met This is 0:55:08.920 --> 0:55:12.080 not weird, So they check it out. The guy's alibi 0:55:12.200 --> 0:55:14.279 checks out he was in jail. So then Harper shows 0:55:14.360 --> 0:55:17.439 up looking nervous. They called her. They didn't even ask 0:55:17.520 --> 0:55:22.239 this guy, like what's up? Where were you? He's got 0:55:22.239 --> 0:55:25.920 a very easily provable alibi, But they call Harper and go, 0:55:26.000 --> 0:55:28.799 we got the guy. So Harper shows up and she's like, 0:55:29.120 --> 0:55:31.200 is he here? And they're like, sorry, it's not him. 0:55:31.280 --> 0:55:33.880 I blame them for that. That's bullshit. You can wait 0:55:34.080 --> 0:55:37.320 until you've got more on this guy. Benson though, is like, 0:55:37.360 --> 0:55:39.000 well why are here? Here are the new keys to 0:55:39.040 --> 0:55:43.240 your apartment that the city locksmith made, and Harper's like okay, 0:55:43.280 --> 0:55:45.880 so he's still out there. And that's sort of like 0:55:45.920 --> 0:55:49.640 a done, done, sad moment. And then six months later 0:55:50.080 --> 0:55:52.920 we never see a time jump like this. There's a 0:55:52.960 --> 0:55:56.120 card that says six months later, and we never see 0:55:56.520 --> 0:55:59.879 as big of a jump like that. So interesting. Live 0:56:00.080 --> 0:56:02.799 comes into the bullpen dressed like she's going on a date. Okay, 0:56:02.920 --> 0:56:06.880 she's got a hot pink top on a skirt. Cassidy's like, 0:56:07.000 --> 0:56:09.760 you look nice, you're going out and she's like yeah, 0:56:09.800 --> 0:56:11.919 and he's like, six months ago, you didn't have time 0:56:11.920 --> 0:56:14.439 for a relationship. And she's like, come on, Bri, it's 0:56:14.480 --> 0:56:16.880 not you. It's a policy. You don't fall, and you 0:56:16.920 --> 0:56:19.080 don't fall. I wrote you don't fall asleep with someone 0:56:19.080 --> 0:56:21.120 you work with. I meant to write, you don't fall 0:56:21.160 --> 0:56:23.480 in love with someone you work with, no matter how 0:56:23.520 --> 0:56:27.200 good the sex was. And instead of just taking the 0:56:27.239 --> 0:56:30.279 compliment that the sex was good, he's like well, you know, 0:56:30.400 --> 0:56:33.279 you're gonna get married someday, and she's like, maybe I won't, 0:56:33.280 --> 0:56:35.600 and he's like, well you will, but as long as 0:56:35.600 --> 0:56:37.680 you're at this job, this marriage is going to be 0:56:37.680 --> 0:56:40.239 an affair. And it is very harsh to say that 0:56:40.280 --> 0:56:42.759 and not his place, but ultimately correct, you know, she says, 0:56:42.920 --> 0:56:47.480 you're doing this job too, I know, but eventually they 0:56:47.520 --> 0:56:49.839 get Eventually he leaves because I think he can't kind 0:56:49.880 --> 0:56:52.279 of can't take it well. He also causes a lot 0:56:52.280 --> 0:56:55.960 of problems and breaks a lot of rules. I know, yeah, 0:56:56.120 --> 0:56:58.680 does crazy shit and puts other people in danger. It's 0:56:58.680 --> 0:57:01.000 not his place to say it. Saying he kind of 0:57:01.080 --> 0:57:03.320 is correct, Like if the writers are writing his lines, 0:57:03.560 --> 0:57:05.800 they kind of are like, guess what, don't ever expect 0:57:05.840 --> 0:57:07.480 her to walk down the aisle. This woman is not 0:57:07.840 --> 0:57:10.880 like you're going to find a stable relationship because she 0:57:10.960 --> 0:57:11.839 is married to this job. 0:57:11.920 --> 0:57:14.000 So I just don't like that he's implying that she's 0:57:14.080 --> 0:57:16.560 gonna have these issues, but like, not him. 0:57:18.080 --> 0:57:21.080 Right, well like that, I think he's like I doubt 0:57:21.200 --> 0:57:24.040 rape victims, and I like treat this like a job, 0:57:24.120 --> 0:57:26.600 and you treat it like personally, you help people, like 0:57:26.680 --> 0:57:29.200 outside of work hours, and you do more. 0:57:29.840 --> 0:57:32.960 You know, I think he's kind of like, you know whatever, 0:57:33.240 --> 0:57:33.920 it's kind of a. 0:57:33.880 --> 0:57:35.360 Dig because it's not like that that's what they were 0:57:35.360 --> 0:57:37.320 talking about. It's not like she said I don't have 0:57:37.400 --> 0:57:39.680 time for a relationship because of the job. She said, 0:57:39.680 --> 0:57:41.360 I don't want to shit where I eat, like, you know, 0:57:41.520 --> 0:57:44.440 she doesn't want a relationship at work, and he's like 0:57:44.760 --> 0:57:47.360 just trying to insult her, I think, being like you're 0:57:47.400 --> 0:57:50.840 too good at your job. But anyway, Cragan gets calls 0:57:50.880 --> 0:57:54.680 Benson in and trust her to another detective, who explains 0:57:54.680 --> 0:57:57.360 to her that four days ago, a guy in this 0:57:57.360 --> 0:58:00.800 guy's precinct attacked a woman in the same zat manner 0:58:00.840 --> 0:58:03.160 as Harper's attack and used a curling iron to fake 0:58:03.200 --> 0:58:06.880 a gun the guy. The victim pulled a gun on him, 0:58:07.440 --> 0:58:09.520 but the guy ran out, and then the cops picked 0:58:09.600 --> 0:58:11.920 him up like hobbling down the street and the victim 0:58:12.000 --> 0:58:14.480 couldn't id him, and they're like, well, where is he now, 0:58:14.520 --> 0:58:15.680 And they're like, he's already out. 0:58:15.680 --> 0:58:17.959 He had a great lawyer, which is like, oh. 0:58:17.920 --> 0:58:19.720 My god, this fucking systemwhere if you have a good 0:58:19.760 --> 0:58:22.480 lawyer you can get anything done. The other detective is 0:58:22.560 --> 0:58:25.880 like yeah, it was weird. Why is this West Village 0:58:25.920 --> 0:58:28.400 guy who's got a lawyer on retainer, why is he 0:58:28.480 --> 0:58:31.640 breaking an entering? And the guy says, but this woman 0:58:31.680 --> 0:58:33.919 didn't get raped. It was just a breaking and entering thing. 0:58:34.840 --> 0:58:38.480 So this guy was wearing a mask, so he's getting better. 0:58:39.120 --> 0:58:43.120 So Liv thinks this is definitely the guy. She's like, 0:58:43.120 --> 0:58:44.760 I know it in my gut, and we've got to 0:58:44.800 --> 0:58:47.400 get Harper in here to id him. And Craigan's like, well, 0:58:47.400 --> 0:58:48.840 first I want you to go get a statement from 0:58:48.840 --> 0:58:51.720 this new victim named Jane Tyler. So Craigan says it 0:58:51.760 --> 0:58:54.800 could wait till morning, and Lives like, yeah, well rapists 0:58:54.800 --> 0:58:57.880 don't sleep, and neither do I, So she's canceling her date. Okay, 0:58:58.400 --> 0:59:02.480 Live is at I mean, proving Cassidy's point. Sadly, Live 0:59:02.560 --> 0:59:06.280 is at Jane's apartment in Tribeca, same neighborhood as Harper. 0:59:06.680 --> 0:59:09.520 This woman's face is fucked up, like huge black eye. 0:59:10.200 --> 0:59:13.440 She's explaining how she froze she couldn't pull the trigger. 0:59:13.880 --> 0:59:16.680 She also says that the guy took her father's watch 0:59:16.760 --> 0:59:19.560 that has the inscription LEO on it, her grandfather's name, 0:59:19.920 --> 0:59:22.000 so she also admits to Benson that she was in 0:59:22.000 --> 0:59:24.320 fact raped by this guy. It was not just a burglary, 0:59:24.720 --> 0:59:27.840 and while she had not told the cops that previously, 0:59:27.920 --> 0:59:30.280 she said he also ejaculated on her stomach, made her 0:59:30.280 --> 0:59:33.560 take a shower all the samemo. Benson's like, why didn't 0:59:33.600 --> 0:59:35.120 you tell the cops about the rape or the watch? 0:59:35.160 --> 0:59:37.280 And she's like, they were just in my home. They 0:59:37.280 --> 0:59:39.640 were touching everything. I just wanted them out of there. 0:59:40.080 --> 0:59:43.320 I was embarrassed, Like these are the show is really 0:59:43.360 --> 0:59:45.800 touching on all these different reactions you can have to this. 0:59:45.920 --> 0:59:47.800 Not everybody is like, yes, take me in for a 0:59:47.880 --> 0:59:49.800 rape kit so that we can bust this guy immediately, 0:59:49.880 --> 0:59:52.439 Like she just wanted She was like traumatized. She said 0:59:52.440 --> 0:59:54.680 when the cops got there, she couldn't speak. That's another 0:59:54.680 --> 0:59:56.360 reason why she didn't say a lot of the things 0:59:56.720 --> 1:00:00.439 that happened. So she also said that he said, isn't 1:00:00.440 --> 1:00:03.280 this how you like it? So she's kicking herself for 1:00:03.400 --> 1:00:05.680 not using the gun to protect herself, and Benson pulls 1:00:05.680 --> 1:00:08.160 out her classic you did the one thing you're supposed 1:00:08.200 --> 1:00:11.960 to do survive. So the next day they go to 1:00:12.000 --> 1:00:17.200 the apartment of this guy. His name is Kenneth Cleary, 1:00:17.600 --> 1:00:20.080 and he lives in a fancy ass what looks like 1:00:20.080 --> 1:00:23.120 a brownstone. His and Taylor wife comes to the door 1:00:23.640 --> 1:00:27.040 and she calls, calls Kenneth and he comes out carrying 1:00:27.040 --> 1:00:29.680 their little bowl cut five year old son, and then 1:00:29.920 --> 1:00:33.000 Benson as she's talking to them, Benson just clocks the 1:00:33.080 --> 1:00:35.720 ring and it's Harper's ring. It's like this very distinct 1:00:36.480 --> 1:00:39.520 branch with the diamond leaves. And now Cleary is an 1:00:39.520 --> 1:00:42.640 interrogation with Benson his saber and he's this guy is 1:00:43.320 --> 1:00:46.160 so gross, like immediately perfect casting. 1:00:46.240 --> 1:00:47.640 He is douche central. 1:00:47.760 --> 1:00:50.520 Okay, he's making up a story about rolling his ankle, 1:00:50.680 --> 1:00:53.800 that's why he was limping when they found him. He 1:00:53.840 --> 1:00:56.200 said he was clearing his head. And they're like at 1:00:56.200 --> 1:00:58.880 two forty five in the morning, eighteen blocks from where 1:00:58.920 --> 1:01:01.240 you live. And he's like, I got some big accounts 1:01:01.280 --> 1:01:03.000 on the brain and they're worth a lot of money. 1:01:03.360 --> 1:01:06.440 And then they accused him of, you know, raping Jane 1:01:06.480 --> 1:01:10.000 Ann Harper, and he's like, oh please, and Benson gets 1:01:10.080 --> 1:01:12.400 up close and takes a huge hit of his cologne. 1:01:12.400 --> 1:01:15.280 She's like she like really sucks it up. And then 1:01:15.320 --> 1:01:17.080 when they ask about the ring, like, where did you 1:01:17.080 --> 1:01:19.160 get the ring? He's like, I should probably. 1:01:18.880 --> 1:01:21.640 Call my lawyer. And then even though he's. 1:01:21.520 --> 1:01:24.840 Basically lawyered up, he keeps talking to them and he's like, oh, 1:01:24.840 --> 1:01:26.720 I got it on the street. And she's like, oh, hey, 1:01:26.720 --> 1:01:28.360 that's a nice watch. Can I see it? And she 1:01:28.480 --> 1:01:30.280 takes it off and it's engraved with the word Leo, 1:01:30.640 --> 1:01:32.760 and he's like, oh, that's my extra astrological sign. 1:01:32.840 --> 1:01:34.640 He's got an accuse like so quickly. 1:01:34.840 --> 1:01:37.120 It's like he's a freak, Like I don't realize that's 1:01:37.160 --> 1:01:39.760 actually like a clue that you're more full of shit 1:01:39.800 --> 1:01:41.200 when you have an answer for everything. 1:01:41.560 --> 1:01:44.920 Yes, exactly, So he tells them, I mean because he 1:01:44.920 --> 1:01:46.840 could have said, oh, I also got this set upawn 1:01:46.880 --> 1:01:49.360 shop and it just I didn't mind the inscription, you know, 1:01:49.440 --> 1:01:51.720 like if you're really trying to cover your tracks. He 1:01:51.840 --> 1:01:54.800 tells them his jeweler is even change it that it's 1:01:54.840 --> 1:01:59.880 a name for someone. Yeah, Leonardo DiCaprio. You're a big fan. 1:02:00.160 --> 1:02:00.840 I love Leo. 1:02:01.080 --> 1:02:06.880 Yeah, totally, uncle Leo from Seinfeld, he tells them. 1:02:06.960 --> 1:02:10.880 So anyway, he. 1:02:10.760 --> 1:02:12.720 Makes up this this freak makes up this whole story 1:02:12.720 --> 1:02:15.560 about his jewelers named TJ. He's a black guy who 1:02:15.640 --> 1:02:18.200 hangs out on the street between Canal and Mott, and 1:02:18.240 --> 1:02:22.640 Stablers goes those streets intersect, You can't be between Canal 1:02:22.680 --> 1:02:25.000 and Mott, like, dude, don't be a lying rapist. And 1:02:25.000 --> 1:02:27.880 then also not know basic New York City geography, like 1:02:28.160 --> 1:02:30.320 if you don't know what streets intersect with Canal, just 1:02:30.360 --> 1:02:33.040 be like, oh, on Canal near whatever, Like it's so 1:02:33.200 --> 1:02:35.040 weird to be like, you live in the West Village 1:02:35.040 --> 1:02:37.919 and you so don't know the geography of a few 1:02:37.920 --> 1:02:39.600 blocks away from you, Like that's not far. 1:02:40.480 --> 1:02:42.520 I think that's a weird thing to be caught lying on. 1:02:42.640 --> 1:02:46.320 But now talking to Craig and Benson's like, he smells expensive, 1:02:46.440 --> 1:02:48.840 and Craigan goes, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I 1:02:48.880 --> 1:02:51.880 ask you to smell the defendant, which is a I'd 1:02:51.880 --> 1:02:56.160 say up in the classic pantheon of crazy SVU lines. 1:02:56.240 --> 1:02:59.120 They I've seen this one before on lists the. 1:02:59.120 --> 1:03:03.200 Watch and the trophies they're explaining, and Craigan is like, well, 1:03:03.240 --> 1:03:06.000 we actually only have one victim technically, because Jane did 1:03:06.000 --> 1:03:08.400 not report her rape or the watch theft, and she 1:03:08.400 --> 1:03:11.200 couldn't even id the guy, so they won't reopen the case. 1:03:11.200 --> 1:03:13.600 It's like, are you not allowed to go amend your 1:03:13.640 --> 1:03:15.200 case and say something else happened? 1:03:15.240 --> 1:03:16.160 Like I thought you were. 1:03:16.280 --> 1:03:18.120 But they're like, well she couldn't ide him, so like 1:03:18.160 --> 1:03:20.160 they're not going to spend the man hours on this case. 1:03:20.520 --> 1:03:20.959 And Harp. 1:03:21.040 --> 1:03:23.160 They're like, Harper, will I d the ring and the 1:03:23.200 --> 1:03:25.320 creep get her down here. He has a right to 1:03:25.360 --> 1:03:28.080 a speedy arraignment, which is twenty four hours. So they 1:03:28.120 --> 1:03:30.720 go to Harper's apartment and the super lives there. Now 1:03:30.760 --> 1:03:33.240 he's like, Harper never slept here another night, So now 1:03:33.240 --> 1:03:35.800 they go find Benji, and Benji talks about how Harper 1:03:35.800 --> 1:03:38.920 fell apart after the attack. She stopped eating, lost her 1:03:39.000 --> 1:03:41.400 job because she never slept. She had to sleep with 1:03:41.440 --> 1:03:43.600 the lights on. Then he couldn't sleep, so he was 1:03:43.640 --> 1:03:46.280 getting in trouble at work. Harper couldn't sit through a movie. 1:03:46.360 --> 1:03:49.520 She started working out constantly. She would wear running shoes 1:03:49.600 --> 1:03:53.360 all the time, even to sleep. And she saw a 1:03:53.400 --> 1:03:55.640 therapist and he said she never shed a tear. He goes, 1:03:55.680 --> 1:03:58.280 we never had sex again, and he said, I think 1:03:58.320 --> 1:04:00.560 she said she broke up with me a couple months ago. 1:04:01.080 --> 1:04:04.560 So at her new place, he knows where she lives. 1:04:04.840 --> 1:04:07.520 At her new place, Harper opens the door and she's 1:04:07.520 --> 1:04:09.680 got a short haircut and a business casual outfit. So 1:04:09.680 --> 1:04:11.640 I don't know what's happened professionally, but it seems like 1:04:11.720 --> 1:04:14.560 she's joined the corporate world. And she says, I don't 1:04:14.600 --> 1:04:16.800 care what you want. Don't come here ever again, and 1:04:16.840 --> 1:04:20.760 she slams the door in their face. So wow, the 1:04:20.800 --> 1:04:23.240 friendship between her and Olivia has seemed to have dissipated 1:04:24.280 --> 1:04:27.400 in these six months. In Craigan's office, we've got Angie 1:04:27.440 --> 1:04:31.280 Harmon Akaada Abby Carmichael from regular Law and Order days. 1:04:32.120 --> 1:04:35.080 Cleary's wife alibis him as being home all night, and 1:04:35.120 --> 1:04:38.200 there are five tjs in the area that all sell electronics, 1:04:38.240 --> 1:04:41.480 not jewelry. Live wants a warrant, and She's like, I 1:04:41.520 --> 1:04:43.800 can't give you a warrant because she because lives like. 1:04:43.800 --> 1:04:44.880 If I get a warrant, we can go in, we 1:04:44.880 --> 1:04:46.800 can maybe find trophies of other victims and lives like. 1:04:46.840 --> 1:04:49.320 But Abby's like, I can't give you a warrant because 1:04:49.320 --> 1:04:50.840 you're not allowed to go on a fishing exposition. 1:04:50.920 --> 1:04:52.840 You have to go when you get a warrant. 1:04:52.840 --> 1:04:54.680 It has to be to look for specific things, not 1:04:54.840 --> 1:04:56.600 like let's just see if he has any other trophies. 1:04:56.680 --> 1:04:59.840 So and then Benson's like, can we compel Harper to 1:05:00.360 --> 1:05:04.479 like maybe she's got unpaid parking tickets? And Carmichael's like, yeah, no, bitch, 1:05:04.520 --> 1:05:06.000 I'm not gonna like rape this woman again. 1:05:06.040 --> 1:05:07.720 So you got to use your own powers of persuasion. 1:05:07.760 --> 1:05:10.640 It's a weird idea, yeah, And Benson's like, but that's 1:05:10.640 --> 1:05:12.000 not what I meant. And it's like, I don't know 1:05:12.040 --> 1:05:13.960 how else you would compel a rape victim to talk 1:05:14.000 --> 1:05:18.440 to you. But Stabler is now out there digging up 1:05:18.480 --> 1:05:21.280 info on Cleary and then they're like, get his picture 1:05:21.280 --> 1:05:21.480 in a. 1:05:21.440 --> 1:05:23.400 Photo array, get it to Harper. We only have a 1:05:23.400 --> 1:05:24.120 few hours. 1:05:24.400 --> 1:05:28.400 So Cleary is now shooting the shit with Munch, talking 1:05:28.440 --> 1:05:32.240 about aggressive accounting, and he's got the most punishable face, 1:05:32.320 --> 1:05:33.000 like of all time. 1:05:33.040 --> 1:05:35.280 This man, like he's like, what do you make. 1:05:35.200 --> 1:05:37.800 Fifty sixty five sixty K a year and then eighty 1:05:37.840 --> 1:05:40.520 with overtime. He's trying to tell him how he can 1:05:40.560 --> 1:05:43.160 turn his money into more money, you know, and Stabler 1:05:43.160 --> 1:05:45.840 comes in going you're a cancer, which is a funny 1:05:46.000 --> 1:05:48.800 double entendre because this man is a cancer like on Society, 1:05:49.000 --> 1:05:52.520 but he's also astrologically a cancer, not a Leo. And 1:05:52.560 --> 1:05:55.520 he claims, oh no, it's a nickname for my grandfather 1:05:55.560 --> 1:05:57.080 and they're like, your grandfather's name was Percy. 1:05:57.080 --> 1:05:58.880 He's like, wouldn't you rather be called Leo than Percy. 1:05:58.920 --> 1:06:01.640 It's like the guy lie with a quickness that is, like, 1:06:01.840 --> 1:06:04.680 you know, very concerning, and they ask him some questions, 1:06:04.720 --> 1:06:07.080 but everything they ask him his lawyer Stone Walls. So 1:06:07.160 --> 1:06:10.080 now Benson and Cassidy are at Harper's door, yelling through 1:06:10.080 --> 1:06:12.040 the door, being like, we can stay here all night. 1:06:12.120 --> 1:06:14.240 We're just as stubborn as you are. Blah blah blah. 1:06:14.280 --> 1:06:16.680 She finally opens it and they want to show her 1:06:16.680 --> 1:06:18.320 the array and she goes, I never want to see 1:06:18.320 --> 1:06:20.600 this guy again. She goes, I don't and she honestly 1:06:20.640 --> 1:06:22.720 doesn't care about this other victim or if there are 1:06:22.720 --> 1:06:25.360 any other victims, and they're like, well, there's no case 1:06:25.400 --> 1:06:27.000 without you, and she's like, okay, well what does that 1:06:27.040 --> 1:06:27.480 do for me? 1:06:27.720 --> 1:06:29.400 Like and they're like, well, we could put. 1:06:29.200 --> 1:06:31.760 His ass away, and she goes, is that supposed to 1:06:31.840 --> 1:06:34.200 change something for me? Like give me some sort of closure? 1:06:34.480 --> 1:06:37.360 Parentheses Part one, You guys should drink if you've heard that. 1:06:37.600 --> 1:06:40.680 And she's already made peace with it, she says, she goes, 1:06:40.760 --> 1:06:43.400 I did therapy, I did yoga, I lit a candle, 1:06:43.440 --> 1:06:47.200 I cut my hair. I'm over it, and you know, 1:06:47.440 --> 1:06:50.200 she walks away as Cassidy says, to live like kind 1:06:50.200 --> 1:06:51.800 of under his breath, but so she can hear it. 1:06:51.880 --> 1:06:54.320 Cassidy goes, maybe he's not the one that did her, 1:06:54.600 --> 1:06:57.080 and that sets Harper off. She's like, the one that 1:06:57.280 --> 1:06:59.920 did me, that did me? He raped me, you asked, 1:07:00.160 --> 1:07:03.400 and so cats there is just so unfuckable in this, 1:07:03.720 --> 1:07:05.960 Like I know, and I can't tell if he's doing 1:07:06.000 --> 1:07:07.360 it on purpose because he knows he can get a 1:07:07.480 --> 1:07:09.400 rise out of her and like get hurt, Like is 1:07:09.440 --> 1:07:11.080 this a tack dick or is he just being a dick? 1:07:11.520 --> 1:07:13.520 I would you know, based on what he thought about 1:07:13.560 --> 1:07:15.040 her at the beginning, I think he's maybe just being 1:07:15.080 --> 1:07:19.040 a dick. But so Benson goes, so do something about it, 1:07:19.080 --> 1:07:21.200 and Harper's like, I did everything I was supposed to do, 1:07:21.280 --> 1:07:24.640 which is again another perfect like depiction of how this 1:07:24.720 --> 1:07:27.640 system is not. When everybody says, go report, go report, 1:07:27.800 --> 1:07:30.000 she did everything right. She did everything she was supposed 1:07:30.000 --> 1:07:32.000 to do. She did the kit, she gave every detail, 1:07:32.120 --> 1:07:34.880 she like, does it like everything. The cops still doubted 1:07:34.880 --> 1:07:38.080 her until another man said I saw this rape happen 1:07:38.160 --> 1:07:40.520 with my own eyes, which went, how often does that 1:07:40.600 --> 1:07:41.560 ever fucking happen? 1:07:41.920 --> 1:07:43.960 Did the cops fully believe her? Did all the cops 1:07:44.000 --> 1:07:44.800 fully believe her? 1:07:45.160 --> 1:07:48.640 And then even then with all the information, there was 1:07:48.800 --> 1:07:51.160 nothing that happened for six months, and she's like, my god, 1:07:51.160 --> 1:07:54.120 this guy just got away. So like, I can understand 1:07:54.120 --> 1:07:55.120 why a lot of people don't want. 1:07:55.040 --> 1:07:55.880 To put themselves through this. 1:07:56.360 --> 1:08:00.640 But uh, Live goes, you are obviously not fine, and 1:08:00.720 --> 1:08:02.960 Harper's like, well, that's not your place to tell me. 1:08:03.000 --> 1:08:05.680 And then she's like, well, if you knew anything. I've 1:08:05.680 --> 1:08:08.880 talked to survivors. Closure is a myth. Survivors say you 1:08:08.920 --> 1:08:10.880 never get over this. When was the last time you 1:08:10.880 --> 1:08:14.280 slept in your bed without running shoes on? And you 1:08:14.320 --> 1:08:16.240 know that hits Harper because how did you know about 1:08:16.240 --> 1:08:19.880 the running shoes whatever? And Live explains, sometimes these devastating 1:08:19.880 --> 1:08:22.360 things happen in our lives that change us, and you 1:08:22.400 --> 1:08:24.800 can either accept these changes or fight like hell all 1:08:24.800 --> 1:08:27.240 the way. And somehow she gets through to Harper, who 1:08:27.240 --> 1:08:29.800 agrees to go in and do a lineup. Okay, good 1:08:29.880 --> 1:08:32.720 because we are running out of time, and they bring 1:08:32.720 --> 1:08:35.439 out five blonde douchebags and they all say the line, 1:08:35.479 --> 1:08:37.040 is this how you like it? And I'm not gonna 1:08:37.080 --> 1:08:38.559 lie to you guys. You're going to see this five 1:08:38.600 --> 1:08:41.160 more times. There are like four more times where a 1:08:41.200 --> 1:08:42.880 bunch of men go is this how you like it? 1:08:42.920 --> 1:08:46.200 Multiple times? And it's kind of why that line. 1:08:46.000 --> 1:08:49.519 Is like like drawn into my head, Like it's basically 1:08:49.640 --> 1:08:53.320 drilled into my head. So Harper shakes her head at 1:08:53.320 --> 1:08:56.479 the lineup and goes, the guy's not there, which is 1:08:56.600 --> 1:08:59.120 crazy because she's the only guy that's seen his face. 1:09:00.000 --> 1:09:02.559 But I'm sure that happens all the time, Like there's 1:09:02.600 --> 1:09:06.400 witness meet misidentification all the time, Like no, I swear 1:09:06.439 --> 1:09:08.519 it was that guy, and then that guy has an alibi, 1:09:08.600 --> 1:09:11.160 you know what I mean. It's like people do misremember. 1:09:11.720 --> 1:09:16.320 But I just really thought she also if she had 1:09:16.320 --> 1:09:17.840 seen him before, I why didn't they work with a 1:09:17.880 --> 1:09:20.200 sketch artist immediately because but again, he would have looked 1:09:20.240 --> 1:09:22.360 like a million Wall Street douchebags who live in New 1:09:22.400 --> 1:09:24.280 York City, so it would have been hard anyway. So 1:09:24.520 --> 1:09:26.680 Harper comes back to Live's desk and she sits down 1:09:26.720 --> 1:09:28.600 and she's like sighing with relief. She's like, I'm so 1:09:28.680 --> 1:09:31.320 happy he wasn't in there. And Live goes, I got 1:09:31.320 --> 1:09:33.280 to show you something, and she shows her the ring 1:09:33.760 --> 1:09:35.240 and she goes, where did you get it? And she 1:09:35.320 --> 1:09:38.400 goes from a man that you couldn't identify? And now 1:09:38.439 --> 1:09:40.720 Harper is like sobbing that she didn't let that she 1:09:40.840 --> 1:09:43.839 let this guy get away, and she says to Olivia, 1:09:43.920 --> 1:09:47.400 she goes, my mother died a horrible, long death, and 1:09:47.479 --> 1:09:50.519 I thought because of that that nothing bad could ever 1:09:50.800 --> 1:09:54.200 happen to me. Like additionally, you know, it's like it's 1:09:54.240 --> 1:09:56.600 like what we just did in that episode where that 1:09:56.680 --> 1:09:59.120 poor girl gets assaulted twice in New York City. It's 1:09:59.120 --> 1:10:01.479 like she just thought, this is the worst thing that's 1:10:01.479 --> 1:10:03.240 ever happened to me has happened to me, Like how 1:10:03.280 --> 1:10:04.639 could something bad happen to me again? 1:10:04.760 --> 1:10:07.759 You know, like you don't think that's going to happen. 1:10:07.920 --> 1:10:11.040 But Live hugs her as she cries, and that's Dick 1:10:11.120 --> 1:10:12.719 Wolf Parentheses part one. 1:10:13.080 --> 1:10:15.160 So now we're moving on to closure. 1:10:15.240 --> 1:10:16.920 I wanted to say, knew they were going to do 1:10:16.960 --> 1:10:19.759 a part two the whole time, or it came about 1:10:19.800 --> 1:10:23.360 after the season, like when they started writing season two. 1:10:23.479 --> 1:10:24.400 I am curious. 1:10:24.760 --> 1:10:27.120 Well, also, I wonder because Tracy Polland got nominated for 1:10:27.160 --> 1:10:29.559 an Emmy, so they were like, probably like we could 1:10:29.600 --> 1:10:33.240 do another episode, like sort of following up on it, 1:10:33.280 --> 1:10:34.120 bringing her back. 1:10:34.520 --> 1:10:40.240 Damn say they had season one fucking nominations. That's cool. Yeah, yeah, 1:10:40.320 --> 1:10:40.960 yeah yeah. 1:10:41.000 --> 1:10:44.960 So anyway, Closure Part two opens with a nine to 1:10:44.960 --> 1:10:47.320 one to one operator taking a call and it's a 1:10:47.320 --> 1:10:49.840 woman reporting a rape. Now we know because we've just 1:10:50.160 --> 1:10:52.360 listened to a full episode of her talking that this 1:10:52.520 --> 1:10:55.439 is Harper's voice. Okay, she's calling in this call and 1:10:55.520 --> 1:10:57.800 a dog is barking, and the woman says, get away 1:10:57.800 --> 1:11:00.000 from me at this dog, and then the call gets disconnected. 1:11:00.040 --> 1:11:02.160 It's like a scuffle with a dog, you can tell. 1:11:02.520 --> 1:11:04.599 The operator calls the cops and says there's a rape 1:11:04.600 --> 1:11:07.680 in progress at the scene. Benson is there with her. 1:11:07.840 --> 1:11:10.400 Now it's for season two, people, So the hair that 1:11:10.560 --> 1:11:14.080 silky little brunette bob is gone, and we've got the 1:11:14.160 --> 1:11:17.680 spiky little situation from season two. He's doing press right now, 1:11:17.720 --> 1:11:20.040 I think for the upcoming season. Yeah, she just did 1:11:20.080 --> 1:11:21.519 an interview, She's like, I thought I was going to 1:11:21.600 --> 1:11:22.200 get fired. 1:11:22.640 --> 1:11:26.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah I saw that too. Shoot, yeah, 1:11:26.240 --> 1:11:27.160 I love one. She said. 1:11:27.280 --> 1:11:29.479 Basically what happened was I thought she got the care 1:11:29.560 --> 1:11:31.160 cut on her own. But I think like the article 1:11:31.200 --> 1:11:33.160 that I saw or the interview I saw with like 1:11:33.400 --> 1:11:36.200 she got blamer. Yes, some guy was like, do you 1:11:36.240 --> 1:11:38.120 on a little trim and just cut cut, cut, cut 1:11:38.160 --> 1:11:42.160 cut and gave her like a full pixie without asking, 1:11:43.280 --> 1:11:45.280 you know. So it's kind of crazy, especially when you're 1:11:45.320 --> 1:11:50.040 the lead of a television show. Certainly it's not Chris 1:11:50.080 --> 1:11:51.840 whatever his name is, the guy that cuts her hair 1:11:51.960 --> 1:11:56.160 and cuts Jennifer mc millan mcmellan, Yeah. I brought a 1:11:56.160 --> 1:11:58.560 picture of Muska Hargotte once to my hair stylist for 1:11:58.640 --> 1:12:00.600 the color. I was like, I want the color. Was 1:12:00.640 --> 1:12:02.720 after he'd colored her hair, Like it looks so good. 1:12:02.880 --> 1:12:05.760 I'll be honest, I really can't stop thinking about baby 1:12:05.840 --> 1:12:10.360 Chanelle on the runway, Like I just love her helping 1:12:10.360 --> 1:12:14.000 a little girl out. That was just her instincts. 1:12:14.040 --> 1:12:16.599 She's sweet instinct was like come on, and like that 1:12:16.640 --> 1:12:18.400 could not be staged, do you know what I mean? 1:12:18.520 --> 1:12:20.720 Like it's just a pure moment of a kid being 1:12:20.760 --> 1:12:23.120 a good kid, Like I just love. 1:12:22.960 --> 1:12:26.760 Her because she could I mean, you know, who knows 1:12:26.880 --> 1:12:30.640 what she's like, you know, but she could be a 1:12:30.720 --> 1:12:34.400 spoiled brat, Like, yeah, she seems very sweet for the 1:12:34.439 --> 1:12:36.280 privileged life that she has. 1:12:36.840 --> 1:12:39.839 Yeah, I bet Ice drops a lot of like miniature 1:12:39.840 --> 1:12:42.160 Ice cult facts on her and doesn't let her get 1:12:42.240 --> 1:12:42.840 take things for. 1:12:42.800 --> 1:12:45.439 The way she spoils the shit out of her. 1:12:45.680 --> 1:12:47.479 No, I know, but I bet he also like teaches 1:12:47.520 --> 1:12:49.400 her like in life, you gotta work for your money. 1:12:49.400 --> 1:12:51.000 You got to sign your checks. You're not gonna get 1:12:51.040 --> 1:12:53.200 anything handed to you, Like even though I'm spoiling you 1:12:53.240 --> 1:12:55.720 now with five bulldogs or whatever the fuck, Like, you're 1:12:55.760 --> 1:12:58.720 gonna work so short hair. Benson and Stabler are on 1:12:58.760 --> 1:13:01.200 the scene. One of the uniforms has them an evidence 1:13:01.280 --> 1:13:03.559 bag with like a bracelet on it that says Laurie, 1:13:04.560 --> 1:13:07.160 I don't they found it under the fire escape. I 1:13:07.160 --> 1:13:09.439 don't really know why this is like an important piece. 1:13:09.479 --> 1:13:11.280 It's like, so we get the victim's name in advance. 1:13:11.280 --> 1:13:13.320 I don't know. Oh no, it's how they find the victim. 1:13:13.320 --> 1:13:15.200 Okay, because they're in they like know where the building is, 1:13:15.200 --> 1:13:17.479 but they don't know which apartment. So now the unities 1:13:17.520 --> 1:13:18.840 come out and they're like, we found the apartment. We 1:13:18.840 --> 1:13:20.800 found the apartment. So they go into the apartment. The 1:13:20.880 --> 1:13:23.920 victims in the bathroom with the shower running. Laurie keeps going, 1:13:23.960 --> 1:13:25.840 don't come in here. The place is filthy. This place 1:13:25.920 --> 1:13:28.320 is filthy. Don't come in here. And like finally she 1:13:28.439 --> 1:13:31.599 like Olivia comes in like gently, and she's like when 1:13:31.600 --> 1:13:33.439 she opens the room is like filled with steam. 1:13:33.520 --> 1:13:34.519 She opens the shower. 1:13:34.680 --> 1:13:37.120 The girl is like in the shower like scrubbing the 1:13:37.200 --> 1:13:39.479 drain with a toothbrush, and she's like, I need to 1:13:39.479 --> 1:13:41.800 get all this stuff that he washed off me. 1:13:41.840 --> 1:13:42.719 I needed to go away. 1:13:42.840 --> 1:13:46.960 Like she's obviously like having a very very traumatized reaction 1:13:47.080 --> 1:13:49.559 to what has obviously just happened to her. Live calms 1:13:49.560 --> 1:13:53.920 her down, covers her with a towel, and Laurie says 1:13:53.920 --> 1:13:55.519 that the guy just kept saying, is this how you 1:13:55.600 --> 1:13:55.800 like it? 1:13:55.920 --> 1:13:56.720 This is how you like it? 1:13:57.080 --> 1:14:00.240 And it's really sad because she says, to be and 1:14:00.280 --> 1:14:03.040 this is really happening, isn't it? Like she was, It's 1:14:03.080 --> 1:14:05.400 like she just snapped into like lucidity a little bit 1:14:05.400 --> 1:14:08.040 more and was like fuck, this like, this thing actually 1:14:08.120 --> 1:14:11.280 happened to me. And then Benson and Stabler compare notes, 1:14:11.400 --> 1:14:14.439 same neighborhood, same type of woman, like these all these 1:14:14.439 --> 1:14:16.400 women so far, I forgot to say last episode, but 1:14:16.880 --> 1:14:19.840 Jane Tyler was like a petite blonde as well, like 1:14:19.840 --> 1:14:23.559 he's always going after petite blonde. Samemo Bastard is at 1:14:23.560 --> 1:14:27.160 it again. Another quick, concise, cold open, and we're at 1:14:27.160 --> 1:14:29.920 the credits, So at the precinct, they're telling Cragan, we 1:14:30.000 --> 1:14:34.000 know this is Cleary, and Craigan's like, it's been a 1:14:34.120 --> 1:14:35.439 year since he was a suspect. 1:14:35.479 --> 1:14:37.639 It's like, no, no, Harper was raped a year ago. 1:14:38.000 --> 1:14:41.040 Then six months later you brought him in as a suspect, 1:14:41.400 --> 1:14:44.200 and really it was May, and it's October right now, 1:14:44.240 --> 1:14:47.120 so it's five months have passed. And if so, like, 1:14:47.720 --> 1:14:50.120 if he's a suspect in May, six months later, it's 1:14:50.160 --> 1:14:52.240 not crazy to show. It's crazy to me to shut 1:14:52.240 --> 1:14:53.800 down a theory that this guy could still be back 1:14:53.800 --> 1:14:56.639 at it after five months, Like that's not weird. Even 1:14:56.680 --> 1:14:59.360 after a year, these things happen. Benson and Stabler are 1:14:59.400 --> 1:15:02.040 sure this is Cleary who they had and they lost 1:15:02.080 --> 1:15:05.200 five months ago. And Laurie is the most recent victim. 1:15:05.280 --> 1:15:06.880 She shows up at the precinct. So now Live is 1:15:06.880 --> 1:15:09.080 talking to Laurie. She's describing her attack. It's the same 1:15:09.120 --> 1:15:12.160 as Harper's sailor is saying all these pieces of her story. 1:15:12.479 --> 1:15:14.240 Sabler's behind the glass and. 1:15:14.160 --> 1:15:17.800 He's saying the fishbowl like he's saying all these pieces 1:15:17.920 --> 1:15:20.200 of the story before she says them. So it's like, 1:15:20.520 --> 1:15:23.200 this is how textbook this guy is, Like, everything's the same. 1:15:23.680 --> 1:15:27.360 She's like, he ripped off my necklace. Munch reports that 1:15:27.400 --> 1:15:29.680 there was nothing from forensics, which duh. This guy never 1:15:29.760 --> 1:15:32.679 leaves forensics. He never leaves any evidence. So when he 1:15:32.680 --> 1:15:37.200 heard sirens, he pushed Laurie and liv goes, wait, did 1:15:37.200 --> 1:15:38.960 you call the cops and she says no, So they 1:15:39.040 --> 1:15:41.439 must have a witness. So now they're listening to the 1:15:41.520 --> 1:15:43.919 nine one one call which came from a payphone on Franklin, 1:15:44.000 --> 1:15:46.720 and maybe the dog owner is also a witness. They 1:15:46.760 --> 1:15:49.720 go to the payphone, they figure out these two apartments 1:15:49.720 --> 1:15:52.400 that could see the crime. This is all red Herring shit. 1:15:52.720 --> 1:15:55.160 They basically they find this woman. She's blind, but she 1:15:55.200 --> 1:15:57.479 has a dog. She says, oh, Billy Smith walked my dog. 1:15:57.520 --> 1:15:59.880 Billy Smith is a doctor. He's not really a doctor. 1:16:00.000 --> 1:16:01.760 He's a medical student who's on the roof studying for 1:16:01.800 --> 1:16:02.719 his medical exams. 1:16:02.960 --> 1:16:03.719 It's like whatever. 1:16:03.920 --> 1:16:08.640 It all leads us to this guy who is who 1:16:08.720 --> 1:16:11.479 owns a stand down the block, and that's where you 1:16:11.520 --> 1:16:13.400 find this sweet little pooch who will not shut the 1:16:13.400 --> 1:16:15.280 fuck up. And this is definitely the dog who barked 1:16:15.280 --> 1:16:18.040 at the nine one one callar. The guy that's there, 1:16:18.360 --> 1:16:20.800 he's like smoking a cigar. He describes her, the woman 1:16:20.960 --> 1:16:23.840 using the phone as blonde, thirty, thin but not too thin, 1:16:24.280 --> 1:16:28.000 black sweater, black pants, thong panties. They're like, how did 1:16:28.000 --> 1:16:29.519 you know you could see her underwear? And he goes, 1:16:29.560 --> 1:16:31.920 I notice the panty line, which is disgusting. And he goes, 1:16:32.520 --> 1:16:35.160 she had a nice ass. And then Benson and Stabler 1:16:35.360 --> 1:16:37.760 stare at him blankly, and he goes, I'm an ass man. 1:16:37.840 --> 1:16:42.040 I don't apologize for it, which is also a Seinfeld reference, 1:16:42.120 --> 1:16:45.760 besides Uncle Leo, whoa the ass man reference. And I 1:16:45.800 --> 1:16:48.280 believe that it is his wife standing silently behind him 1:16:48.280 --> 1:16:51.360 the entire time in the newsstand, wrangling the dog while 1:16:51.360 --> 1:16:53.719 her husband tells the NYPD how much he loves ass. 1:16:54.000 --> 1:16:57.120 So that's pretty funny to me as well. At the precinct, 1:16:57.320 --> 1:17:02.439 Levs still trying to Yeah. At the precinct live, still 1:17:02.439 --> 1:17:04.800 trying to convince Craigan that this is Cleary the Girls, 1:17:05.560 --> 1:17:07.360 And you're just like, I'm an ass man, what do 1:17:07.439 --> 1:17:08.480 you yeah? 1:17:08.520 --> 1:17:10.400 And they're like, so you noticed all that, but not 1:17:10.520 --> 1:17:12.000 her face for one second? 1:17:12.120 --> 1:17:14.880 Okay, He's like, I noticed what I noticed? Deal with it, 1:17:15.000 --> 1:17:17.720 you know, like he's I mean, he he runs a 1:17:17.720 --> 1:17:21.759 tight news stand. I guess this guy sucks. But inaugural season, 1:17:21.840 --> 1:17:24.920 Finn walks in with an interesting tidbit. Right after the 1:17:25.000 --> 1:17:26.880 nine to one one call was placed, a call went 1:17:26.920 --> 1:17:30.360 from that payphone to where dun done the Cleary home. 1:17:30.880 --> 1:17:33.400 Cragan sends Munch and Fin to the Cleary's house because 1:17:33.400 --> 1:17:35.400 they already have a history with Benson and Stabler, so 1:17:35.439 --> 1:17:38.080 let's send some new guys over there, missus Cleary. This 1:17:38.200 --> 1:17:40.519 is this woman's whole part is she just keeps swinging 1:17:40.520 --> 1:17:43.320 the door open to her huge brownstone, being like yes, 1:17:43.880 --> 1:17:46.000 and she swings the door wide open. And I thought 1:17:46.000 --> 1:17:47.920 I knew this actress from something else, but I found 1:17:47.960 --> 1:17:52.080 her IMDb and it is truly crazy. Her only two 1:17:52.160 --> 1:17:55.880 credits are these two episodes of this show and one 1:17:55.880 --> 1:17:57.120 episode of regular Law and Order. 1:17:57.840 --> 1:17:59.320 Wow, it's the. 1:17:58.920 --> 1:18:03.400 Strangest imdbfen not a veo, not a commercial, not a 1:18:04.240 --> 1:18:07.040 like uncredited part in another thing, just these three things. 1:18:07.600 --> 1:18:09.600 So she quit acting, but she looked familiar to me. 1:18:09.600 --> 1:18:11.680 I thought she did other stuff anyway. Maybe she's just 1:18:11.720 --> 1:18:13.519 like a wife of someone on the crew who's like, 1:18:13.520 --> 1:18:15.840 I'm good at acting, let me do it one episode. 1:18:16.560 --> 1:18:21.120 But anyway, she's like, about damn time you showed up. 1:18:21.120 --> 1:18:23.160 I've been after the phone company for months. Someone is 1:18:23.160 --> 1:18:25.800 harassing me with phone calls. And the woman's like, well 1:18:26.320 --> 1:18:28.960 you're and they're like what is she saying? What is 1:18:28.960 --> 1:18:30.720 the person saying? And she's like, well, the woman keeps 1:18:30.720 --> 1:18:33.640 saying your husband's a rapist, and she's like what And 1:18:33.680 --> 1:18:34.639 he's not a rapist. 1:18:34.720 --> 1:18:35.719 It's like okay, lady. 1:18:35.720 --> 1:18:38.080 And then she goes last night when she called, she 1:18:38.120 --> 1:18:40.960 said he's raping someone right now. 1:18:40.439 --> 1:18:42.280 And then they're like, where was your husband? 1:18:42.320 --> 1:18:44.040 And she's like home with me all night, which is 1:18:44.080 --> 1:18:46.160 like always what she says without like a shred of 1:18:46.160 --> 1:18:48.920 looking guilty, and she didn't want to wake her up. 1:18:48.920 --> 1:18:50.439 They're like, did you wake him up? Like whatever. 1:18:50.560 --> 1:18:52.120 She's like, well, we don't both have to be awake 1:18:52.160 --> 1:18:54.679 because someone's calling our house and trying to ruin our lives. 1:18:54.880 --> 1:18:57.200 And I called the phone company in the morning, so 1:18:57.479 --> 1:19:00.200 she goes They offered to like basically tap our phone line, 1:19:00.240 --> 1:19:02.000 but my husband doesn't want that because they could listen 1:19:02.000 --> 1:19:06.639 to our private conversations and you know that, he writes 1:19:06.680 --> 1:19:09.719 in finance he can't have that, And she's like. 1:19:09.600 --> 1:19:11.920 This woman is ruining our lives. Why won't you stop her. 1:19:12.000 --> 1:19:14.599 It's like they're prank calls, and literally this woman's been raped, 1:19:14.640 --> 1:19:16.639 so it's like kind of crazy. So now the gang 1:19:16.720 --> 1:19:18.439 is in a huddle in the squad room, and the 1:19:18.520 --> 1:19:22.160 very first harassing call came from Harper Anderson. They find 1:19:22.160 --> 1:19:24.920 out like later she starts calling from payphones, but the 1:19:24.920 --> 1:19:26.840 first call, I guess she calls from her own number, 1:19:27.200 --> 1:19:30.280 and they're like, sorry, live looks like she's been stalking 1:19:30.320 --> 1:19:33.160 Cleary and it's like, I don't know the way everybody 1:19:33.200 --> 1:19:36.599 just like wants to paint Harper as like a fucking criminal. 1:19:36.680 --> 1:19:38.000 This entire episode is wild. 1:19:38.360 --> 1:19:42.200 Harper's apartment door opens and she's smiling immediately going you 1:19:42.200 --> 1:19:44.519 should be at his place, not mine. Her hair is 1:19:44.560 --> 1:19:47.160 long again, grows extremely fast. It's been five months and 1:19:47.200 --> 1:19:48.519 it's way down to her boobs again. 1:19:48.600 --> 1:19:50.719 But good for her. She's probably taking collagen. 1:19:51.200 --> 1:19:54.240 And she says, they're like, you've been stalking Cleary and 1:19:54.280 --> 1:19:57.280 she's like, stalking is illegal. I surveil from a legal distance, 1:19:57.800 --> 1:19:59.720 and she's got everything covered. She saw this guy go 1:19:59.800 --> 1:20:02.960 into alley. She circled the building, making sure that she 1:20:03.000 --> 1:20:04.960 hadn't like lost him, that he'd gone out a different way, 1:20:05.000 --> 1:20:06.720 and then she figured he was definitely raping someone and 1:20:06.720 --> 1:20:09.599 she called nine one one. The whole time she's talking 1:20:09.640 --> 1:20:11.880 to them, she's opening a bottle of wine. She's grabbing 1:20:11.920 --> 1:20:14.800 three glasses like they are about to dish, okay, and 1:20:14.800 --> 1:20:17.320 then the camera pulls out and we see that she 1:20:17.400 --> 1:20:20.800 has a massive mugshot of Cleary framed and hanging above 1:20:20.800 --> 1:20:21.520 her kitchen. 1:20:21.280 --> 1:20:23.120 Cabinets as like a piece of art. 1:20:23.320 --> 1:20:26.000 And Stabler she's like, want some wine, and Stabler turns 1:20:26.000 --> 1:20:27.439 her down and she's like, it's six o'clock. 1:20:27.479 --> 1:20:29.519 You guys clock out? Did it work days over? 1:20:30.040 --> 1:20:32.160 And she's like, Clear's a workaholic and he doesn't leave 1:20:32.160 --> 1:20:34.120 the office until eight, so we've got plenty of time 1:20:34.120 --> 1:20:36.000 to chat like an hour and a half, so it's clear, 1:20:36.040 --> 1:20:39.000 like she follows this guy like every day. Liv points 1:20:39.000 --> 1:20:42.000 out that Harper couldn't id Cleary in the lineup, So 1:20:42.000 --> 1:20:43.640 how do you know he's the guy who attacked you? 1:20:44.040 --> 1:20:47.040 She goes, I went to the sentencing for his trial 1:20:47.080 --> 1:20:50.040 for possession of stolen property. When he left court, he 1:20:50.120 --> 1:20:53.360 winked at me. He winked, So she knows that this 1:20:53.400 --> 1:20:55.280 is the guy and she goes and he must have 1:20:55.360 --> 1:20:57.400 raped someone or you wouldn't be here right now. And 1:20:57.400 --> 1:21:00.519 then she's like stabler Scotch vodka. Like he's like, no, 1:21:00.640 --> 1:21:01.960 thank you, and she's like, you don't have to be 1:21:02.000 --> 1:21:04.599 so tense, and she's like I don't expect shit from 1:21:04.640 --> 1:21:07.519 you guys like and Lives like, we did what we could, 1:21:07.600 --> 1:21:10.720 and she's like you couldn't id him, And Harper's like, 1:21:10.800 --> 1:21:11.760 why not tail him? 1:21:11.800 --> 1:21:13.400 Then you knew he would rape again? 1:21:13.800 --> 1:21:16.519 And they're like, true, but even though there's like no 1:21:16.600 --> 1:21:18.360 way that they have the resources to do that, they 1:21:18.400 --> 1:21:20.000 have done that many times, Like I don't know why 1:21:20.040 --> 1:21:21.479 they didn't do that. They do it all the time, 1:21:22.000 --> 1:21:24.680 but in this case they couldn't. So Lives like, you 1:21:25.240 --> 1:21:27.040 can't handle this on your own. And Harper's like, what, 1:21:27.120 --> 1:21:29.080 I'm basically doing what a PI does and I don't 1:21:29.120 --> 1:21:31.040 need a license to do it for myself. And they're like, 1:21:31.080 --> 1:21:34.240 you're harassing his wife, and she's like, she's enabling a rapist. 1:21:34.520 --> 1:21:36.160 You guys are too busy to deal with him, so 1:21:36.240 --> 1:21:40.200 I will. So at the precinct, Sabler argues that Harper 1:21:40.240 --> 1:21:42.120 is dangerous and Benson says, maybe not. 1:21:42.320 --> 1:21:42.680 I mean, we. 1:21:42.680 --> 1:21:45.080 Almost literally caught the guy because of her, and the 1:21:45.120 --> 1:21:49.519 system failed her, so she's basically doing this on her own. 1:21:49.600 --> 1:21:52.000 Like live can kind of understand where this girl's coming from. 1:21:52.400 --> 1:21:55.360 And Craigan traffic cops like Finn and Munch, you go 1:21:55.400 --> 1:21:57.960 bring Harper in for a stern talking to, and Benson 1:21:57.960 --> 1:22:00.160 and Stabler go get in Cleary's face and maybe that'll 1:22:00.200 --> 1:22:01.040 stop him from raping. 1:22:01.120 --> 1:22:02.960 I mean, he was literally brought in. 1:22:02.880 --> 1:22:05.920 And almost busted, and he keeps doing it, but you know, 1:22:05.960 --> 1:22:08.160 maybe you guys could scare him. So then they go 1:22:08.200 --> 1:22:10.639 to Cleary's house and when they get there, there's flyers 1:22:10.680 --> 1:22:13.400 taped up everywhere of his mugshot and the word rapists 1:22:13.400 --> 1:22:15.559 written below it, and then down the block we see 1:22:15.600 --> 1:22:18.719 Meredith Cleary the wife yelling at Harper, who's actively hanging 1:22:18.800 --> 1:22:20.240 up the flyers, going. 1:22:20.360 --> 1:22:22.200 Stop a you're owning our lives, Like. 1:22:22.160 --> 1:22:24.280 You know, she can't have the neighbors seeing these signs. 1:22:24.640 --> 1:22:26.960 So in the middle of this scuffle, the rapist of 1:22:26.960 --> 1:22:29.120 the hour, Cleary, comes speeding up to the curb in 1:22:29.120 --> 1:22:32.799 this little BMW convertible, like honestly just cementing his duchary 1:22:32.920 --> 1:22:36.080 in my mind. And they tell Cleary, well, a woman 1:22:36.120 --> 1:22:38.400 was raped two nights ago, and he's like, I was 1:22:38.439 --> 1:22:41.280 home with my wife. And Harper's like, you're lying, I 1:22:41.400 --> 1:22:43.240 saw you. And he's like, how much longer are you 1:22:43.280 --> 1:22:45.240 gonna let this woman who forgot to take her lithium 1:22:45.280 --> 1:22:49.880 harass us? And that just SAIDs Harper, spiraling like she's like, 1:22:50.240 --> 1:22:52.599 now this guy's gonna fucking gaslight me and make and 1:22:52.720 --> 1:22:54.000 make people think I'm crazy. 1:22:54.120 --> 1:22:54.479 Fuck that. 1:22:54.960 --> 1:22:57.040 She grabs a huge metal bar which is in a 1:22:57.040 --> 1:22:59.000 trash pile, and in New York City there's a massive 1:22:59.040 --> 1:23:01.080 metal bar in nearly a retrash piles, so you could 1:23:01.120 --> 1:23:04.439 just grab one, and she smashes the windshield of this 1:23:04.560 --> 1:23:08.360 douchey little I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or legit. 1:23:08.800 --> 1:23:10.759 I am being sarcastics. It's like wild. 1:23:11.160 --> 1:23:13.080 She's like, I'm mad, and she reaches and there's like 1:23:13.160 --> 1:23:16.640 a perfectly shaped weapon for smashing a car roof like 1:23:16.680 --> 1:23:17.800 sitting in a trash pile. 1:23:17.920 --> 1:23:20.720 It's like ridiculous, but it's TV and I love it. 1:23:21.520 --> 1:23:24.439 So she just smashes the shit out of this shitty, 1:23:24.439 --> 1:23:28.280 little fucking car that this guy has, and then they 1:23:28.320 --> 1:23:30.840 take her away and she's like, yeah, arrest me, not 1:23:30.920 --> 1:23:33.519 the rapist, and gets in Cleary's face and he's like. 1:23:33.600 --> 1:23:37.639 Grinning, like this guy is so gross, and his wife. 1:23:37.439 --> 1:23:39.240 Looks at him like she's pissed off, Like the neighbors 1:23:39.240 --> 1:23:41.040 are going to see this, like why are you smiling? 1:23:41.200 --> 1:23:41.400 You know? 1:23:42.040 --> 1:23:44.839 So Benson and Stabler are now chatting with Craigan and Cabot. 1:23:45.160 --> 1:23:48.760 Harper puts Cleary at Laurie's building, but that's it, not 1:23:48.880 --> 1:23:51.400 in the apartment. And after her little stunt with the car, 1:23:51.600 --> 1:23:54.679 she's not gonna fly as a witness, right Benson. I mean, also, 1:23:54.720 --> 1:23:56.280 she wouldn't fly as a witness just because of the 1:23:56.320 --> 1:24:00.200 fact that she's accused it like he's been like actually 1:24:00.240 --> 1:24:02.160 maybe because he hasn't been officially brought up on charges 1:24:02.160 --> 1:24:04.320 on her rape. Yet maybe maybe she wouldn't be but 1:24:05.479 --> 1:24:07.680 his defense people would poke holes in the fact that 1:24:07.720 --> 1:24:11.360 she's been following him and stocking him. So Benson's defending Harper, 1:24:11.400 --> 1:24:13.320 being like she's taking control of her own life, and 1:24:13.400 --> 1:24:16.919 Stabler goes, oh please, and it's like shut up. Benson 1:24:17.080 --> 1:24:19.960 says they have to follow Cleary. Craigan is in for it, 1:24:20.000 --> 1:24:22.599 but he can't authorize the overtime, and Benson and Stabler 1:24:22.640 --> 1:24:23.880 are like, who's asking for it? 1:24:23.920 --> 1:24:26.240 We are down to work for free? What do we make? 1:24:26.320 --> 1:24:28.880 Sixty five? K let's do it. It's season two. 1:24:28.920 --> 1:24:32.240 They are not making They are not like getting big 1:24:32.280 --> 1:24:35.400 salaries these two. Okay, So now they're at Cleary's work 1:24:35.439 --> 1:24:37.639 at a venture capital firm. He wants to know why 1:24:37.640 --> 1:24:39.040 they're there and they're like, oh, we're here to talk 1:24:39.040 --> 1:24:39.479 to your boss. 1:24:39.520 --> 1:24:40.040 Is that okay? 1:24:40.439 --> 1:24:43.320 So they tell the boss we're investigating a serial rapist. 1:24:43.479 --> 1:24:44.640 What's Kindeth Cleary. 1:24:44.439 --> 1:24:45.040 Like to work with? 1:24:45.120 --> 1:24:46.960 And I think this is so fun. This is like 1:24:47.000 --> 1:24:49.920 the ultimate shade. Like they're not telling him that he's 1:24:49.960 --> 1:24:52.400 a serial rapist. They're like, Hi, work cops investing a 1:24:52.400 --> 1:24:55.160 cereal rape. Tell us more about Kenneth Cleary like it's 1:24:55.520 --> 1:24:57.880 you can connect the dots, sir. And the boss is like, 1:24:58.400 --> 1:25:00.240 is he a rapist? And they're like so, or have 1:25:00.280 --> 1:25:02.280 you seen his haircut? Yes, of course he's a rapist. 1:25:02.800 --> 1:25:02.880 Uh. 1:25:03.000 --> 1:25:06.600 And then boss says he's a workaholic. And then he 1:25:06.680 --> 1:25:08.880 mentions like he works all the time. We lost two 1:25:08.920 --> 1:25:11.120 assistants in Philly who couldn't keep up with him. We're 1:25:11.120 --> 1:25:13.360 opening a branch there, so he's there half his time. 1:25:13.800 --> 1:25:16.479 And now they're like, could we see his travel records? Cleary, 1:25:16.800 --> 1:25:20.280 who is like the personification of smug, he's like so smug. 1:25:20.280 --> 1:25:23.160 He walks up to a Stabler's car while he's eating 1:25:23.520 --> 1:25:25.800 and he goes, you told you're my boss about the misdemeanor, 1:25:26.040 --> 1:25:27.760 and he goes, I brought the company five fifty eight 1:25:27.760 --> 1:25:29.280 million last year, so I think they'll live with a 1:25:29.280 --> 1:25:33.200 little misdemeanor. And then which is the stolen possession charge? 1:25:33.360 --> 1:25:36.519 And he asks Stabler, from one hungry man to another, 1:25:36.680 --> 1:25:39.479 anything better than gorging on a fresh caught meal, which 1:25:39.520 --> 1:25:45.559 is such a disgusting, like double entendra gross thing to say, Stabler, 1:25:45.600 --> 1:25:48.080 because it's like you're not catching anyone, You're actually not 1:25:48.200 --> 1:25:51.920 doing you're like cowardly grabbing women while they sleep, you 1:25:51.960 --> 1:25:53.800 know what I mean. You're not like running get like 1:25:54.040 --> 1:25:56.240 running after someone like the thrill of the hunt. You're 1:25:56.240 --> 1:25:59.120 not some fucking manly man. You fucking sneak in to 1:25:59.240 --> 1:26:02.439 places that I've openings and and take blitz attack people. 1:26:02.560 --> 1:26:04.800 You're a coward. Not that you're a better if you 1:26:04.880 --> 1:26:09.320 hunt people, but if you're trying to Yeah, if you're 1:26:09.320 --> 1:26:11.320 trying to apply that, you're some kind of like man 1:26:11.400 --> 1:26:13.639 who's catching his kid eating his kill. 1:26:13.720 --> 1:26:16.040 Fuck off, Because that is another thing I liked about 1:26:16.040 --> 1:26:17.519 Dexter that he like had. 1:26:17.400 --> 1:26:19.519 To work out. That was like a part of it. 1:26:19.640 --> 1:26:21.840 Or like now there shoulder hurts and he's older and 1:26:21.840 --> 1:26:25.480 he's like, oh geez, I know he doesn't have the mobility. 1:26:25.640 --> 1:26:29.080 I like that realistic element. But yeah, if you're a killer, 1:26:29.160 --> 1:26:30.880 not only do you have to be an incredibly award 1:26:30.880 --> 1:26:34.720 winning actor, but then you also have to be athletic. 1:26:35.280 --> 1:26:36.800 You need to work out, and you need attention to 1:26:36.800 --> 1:26:38.360 detail attentions, you know. 1:26:38.640 --> 1:26:41.720 Yeah, I remember that about Deb. Deb was always working out. 1:26:41.760 --> 1:26:43.720 She was always like on the treadmill. 1:26:43.240 --> 1:26:44.120 Like running. Yeah. 1:26:44.680 --> 1:26:47.960 Oh, so after he says this gross line, Sabler grabs 1:26:48.000 --> 1:26:49.679 him by the tie and brings him in close and goes, 1:26:49.680 --> 1:26:51.439 you won't be eating out anymore, and then like lets 1:26:51.520 --> 1:26:54.440 him go, which I love. And now Munch is researching 1:26:54.600 --> 1:26:57.559 rapes in Philly and three of them have Cleary's signature, 1:26:57.880 --> 1:27:00.519 and Cleary was there in town for all three of them. 1:27:00.760 --> 1:27:02.719 Craigan wants Munch to go down to Philly and interview 1:27:02.720 --> 1:27:05.280 the victims, and Munch is like, can't they just fax 1:27:05.320 --> 1:27:08.519 the case files? And Craigan's like, Billy's SVU sucks. They're 1:27:08.560 --> 1:27:11.439 under investigation for dumping rape cases as unfounded. I don't 1:27:11.439 --> 1:27:13.320 trust them. Get down there and talk to them yourselves. 1:27:14.120 --> 1:27:16.360 An excuse to put Munch on a little train for 1:27:16.400 --> 1:27:19.000 a trip. Later that night, Cleary goes to take out 1:27:19.000 --> 1:27:21.000 his trash and he sees Finn in a car across 1:27:21.080 --> 1:27:22.960 the street from him, and Finn just like wiggles his 1:27:23.040 --> 1:27:26.400 badge in the moonlight, which I love, and you know, 1:27:26.560 --> 1:27:29.320 basically it's like we're watching you, motherfucker. And then the 1:27:29.360 --> 1:27:32.640 next morning he runs into Munch and Finn outside of 1:27:32.680 --> 1:27:35.799 Penn Station. Actually, do you know Oscar told me yesterday? 1:27:36.200 --> 1:27:39.400 You know, when Dad gets mad at you, he says, motherfuck, 1:27:39.520 --> 1:27:43.599 and I go, not me. He gets when he says 1:27:43.640 --> 1:27:46.840 that when he's mad at like drivers and he's like, oh, 1:27:46.880 --> 1:27:48.600 I thought it was you because your mom, and I 1:27:48.680 --> 1:27:51.640 was like, no, it's not me. We need to have 1:27:51.680 --> 1:27:53.880 a conversation about how much Jared is swearing at other 1:27:53.960 --> 1:27:59.200 drivers in the car. But so the next morning, Clear's 1:27:59.200 --> 1:28:00.920 getting out of his car hop on his little train 1:28:01.000 --> 1:28:02.880 to Philly and Munch and Finn are outside of Penn 1:28:02.880 --> 1:28:05.240 Station and I'm sure clearly like loves that SVU and 1:28:05.240 --> 1:28:06.960 Philly is incompetence so you can just do whatever he 1:28:07.000 --> 1:28:09.240 wants there And they're not even like probably linking the cases, 1:28:09.720 --> 1:28:11.679 and he's like, are you trying to make me crazy? 1:28:11.800 --> 1:28:14.120 Cleary says to them, and they're like, well, is this 1:28:14.160 --> 1:28:16.280 how you like it? So I love that they're trolling him. 1:28:16.720 --> 1:28:18.840 And then this episode at the top of act three, 1:28:18.880 --> 1:28:21.040 this episode continues to give the fax machine a lot 1:28:21.080 --> 1:28:24.080 of play. Munch faxes up a ton of items of 1:28:24.160 --> 1:28:27.400 jewelry stolen during rapes down in Philly to see if 1:28:27.400 --> 1:28:30.200 missus Cleary has maybe received any of them, and Stablers 1:28:30.200 --> 1:28:32.120 are going to go like shake the wife's tree but 1:28:32.160 --> 1:28:34.839 not get involved in anything that would invoke spousal privilege 1:28:35.120 --> 1:28:37.240 because that would be thrown out and if she gets defensive. 1:28:37.280 --> 1:28:38.000 I understand. 1:28:38.120 --> 1:28:41.160 So if I'm married, I can't decide to testify against 1:28:41.160 --> 1:28:44.680 my husband. Like that makes no sense. I understand if 1:28:44.680 --> 1:28:46.320 I don't want to, if I want to be like, no, 1:28:46.520 --> 1:28:50.120 I'm married, but like that, it is suddenly a contract 1:28:50.120 --> 1:28:53.400 where you cannot and everything you say is it admissible? 1:28:53.439 --> 1:28:56.120 Like I don't get it. Well, we talked about this before, 1:28:56.160 --> 1:28:57.880 I know, but it still bothers me and I don't 1:28:57.880 --> 1:28:58.439 remember what I am. 1:28:58.600 --> 1:28:59.080 No, but. 1:29:01.600 --> 1:29:03.439 Like, but I don't get it. They're like, we can't 1:29:03.439 --> 1:29:05.320 she can't say anything, But it's like, can't she decide 1:29:05.360 --> 1:29:06.519 to betray her husband? 1:29:06.760 --> 1:29:09.400 No? I know when we talked about it before, somebody 1:29:09.479 --> 1:29:12.639 wrote in about it like a lawyer, and he right 1:29:12.680 --> 1:29:14.920 in again, well hold on, let me just see if 1:29:14.960 --> 1:29:18.000 I can find it if I just write spousal and okay. 1:29:18.479 --> 1:29:22.120 So to answer your spousal slash marital privilege question from 1:29:22.160 --> 1:29:26.320 the podcast episode this was back in June. Somebody wrote us, 1:29:26.560 --> 1:29:29.240 the person who would be testifying can either invoke the 1:29:29.280 --> 1:29:32.960 privilege or wave it, and it relates to conversations within 1:29:33.000 --> 1:29:34.360 the marriage, not actions. 1:29:34.360 --> 1:29:35.160 That are observed. 1:29:35.479 --> 1:29:37.640 So if you see your husband murdering someone, you can 1:29:37.680 --> 1:29:39.840 say I saw my husband murder someone. But if your 1:29:39.880 --> 1:29:43.439 husband told you, I guess conversations, that's privilege. If your 1:29:43.479 --> 1:29:46.640 husband told you they murdered someone, it sounds like but 1:29:46.680 --> 1:29:49.880 it sounds like you should still be able to wave 1:29:49.920 --> 1:29:52.040 it if you want, If you're the person, you shouldbible 1:29:52.040 --> 1:29:55.800 to wave it. I think what he argues, what later 1:29:55.800 --> 1:29:58.000 the lawyer argues, is that the gifts of the jewelry 1:29:58.000 --> 1:30:01.240 are communications, even though they're not. Yeah, I agree in 1:30:01.280 --> 1:30:04.600 this in this case, it's a stretch, but we're not 1:30:04.680 --> 1:30:07.680 even there yet. We're still at the part where Stabler's 1:30:07.720 --> 1:30:10.120 going to go talk to this lady and see like 1:30:10.200 --> 1:30:11.680 and you know, they're like, she could get defensive, and 1:30:11.720 --> 1:30:13.840 he's like, I'll handle it. And then Benson's like, I'm 1:30:13.840 --> 1:30:15.800 going to take some personal time. I'm meeting Harper for 1:30:15.840 --> 1:30:17.960 coffee at a gun range. Like that's her personal time, 1:30:18.040 --> 1:30:20.559 is meeting a victim at a gun range. Craigan's like 1:30:20.720 --> 1:30:23.839 that seems insane, and she's like it's okay, Daddy, she's permitted. 1:30:23.920 --> 1:30:27.280 So at SVU in Philly, we get a young blonde 1:30:27.280 --> 1:30:29.360 woman telling her story, and then another one, and then 1:30:29.400 --> 1:30:32.040 a third, and they're intertwining their stories, but they're all 1:30:32.040 --> 1:30:35.920 telling the exact same story that Harper and Laurie and 1:30:36.160 --> 1:30:38.560 this other woman have told, so all the victims have 1:30:38.600 --> 1:30:39.479 the same exact story. 1:30:39.479 --> 1:30:40.559 This guy does not deviate. 1:30:41.000 --> 1:30:43.680 At the Cleary home, Meredith won't let Stabler in, but 1:30:43.720 --> 1:30:46.559 he's like, listen, I know you're a victim too, Like 1:30:47.280 --> 1:30:49.559 whenever there's a rape victim, there's other victims as well 1:30:49.560 --> 1:30:52.479 who aren't necessarily the victims of the rape. And he's 1:30:52.520 --> 1:30:55.000 saying he's saying rape a lot of times, and she 1:30:55.040 --> 1:30:56.880 does not like that because the neighbors are going to hear. 1:30:56.880 --> 1:30:58.760 And she's a very you know, keeping up with the 1:30:58.840 --> 1:31:02.160 Joneses kind of like woman and cares what people think 1:31:02.160 --> 1:31:03.840 a lot. So then I think he finally she kind 1:31:03.840 --> 1:31:05.599 of like lets him in, so he stops saying rape 1:31:05.640 --> 1:31:07.760 so much on her doorstep, and then he gives her 1:31:07.760 --> 1:31:10.200 a list of jewelry stolen during the rapes they think 1:31:10.200 --> 1:31:13.400 that her husband committed, and she goes, my husband makes money, 1:31:13.400 --> 1:31:15.920 he doesn't have to steal me jewelry, and he's like, oh, 1:31:15.960 --> 1:31:18.000 you dumb bitch, Like I'm talking about a sickness here, 1:31:18.160 --> 1:31:20.360 like these are trophies that allow him to relive the 1:31:20.439 --> 1:31:23.000 rapes and get excited. Like he had to like explain 1:31:23.040 --> 1:31:25.479 that to her, like she's not understanding, and so he 1:31:25.560 --> 1:31:29.439 tells her, also, we're out of options, so let me 1:31:29.520 --> 1:31:33.280 know and I won't bother you again. So that's, you know, 1:31:33.320 --> 1:31:35.719 he kind of pleads to her in a vulnerable place, 1:31:35.840 --> 1:31:38.320 from a vulnerable place kind of. So at the range, 1:31:38.360 --> 1:31:41.000 Harper is firing off a couple of rounds. They're all 1:31:41.120 --> 1:31:43.200 kill shots to the chest and the head. Like she's 1:31:43.240 --> 1:31:46.240 gotten good. She rattles off all these stats about the gun, 1:31:46.360 --> 1:31:48.240 how it took her in a month to hold it steady, 1:31:48.520 --> 1:31:50.040 and ben'son and She's like, oh, and it's got a 1:31:50.040 --> 1:31:52.599 fourteen round clip, and Benson's like, babe, a fourteen round 1:31:52.600 --> 1:31:54.559 clip is illegal in New York. And Harper's like, oopsie, 1:31:54.600 --> 1:31:56.640 here you go, and like tosses it to her, and 1:31:56.640 --> 1:31:59.000 then Benson's like, honey, what is up. This gun is 1:31:59.000 --> 1:32:02.240 practically an assault, right, it's a little extreme. And Harper's like, 1:32:02.760 --> 1:32:05.320 you're so crazy, Like you think I'm velma vigilante that 1:32:05.400 --> 1:32:08.040 I'm just waiting to shoot Cleary. That's not who I am. 1:32:08.520 --> 1:32:11.160 She goes, I've gotten control over my life. I don't 1:32:11.160 --> 1:32:14.599 care about revenge or justice. I follow Cleary because I'm 1:32:14.640 --> 1:32:16.519 afraid of him, and he's the last thing that I'm 1:32:16.520 --> 1:32:18.680 afraid of. And if I can get over that, I 1:32:18.720 --> 1:32:21.840 can get my life back and lives like, let's go booze. 1:32:22.080 --> 1:32:23.120 So I guess. 1:32:23.160 --> 1:32:25.880 They pass Harper's apartment and Meredith Cleary is outside of 1:32:25.920 --> 1:32:27.800 it and she's like, I was just leaving you a note. 1:32:28.760 --> 1:32:31.560 And so it's confusing because it seems like they're just 1:32:31.560 --> 1:32:33.960 walking down a city street. And then suddenly the wife 1:32:34.000 --> 1:32:36.840 of the rapist is there and she's like, I'm so 1:32:36.880 --> 1:32:38.680 sorry for what happened to you. And she's like, I 1:32:38.680 --> 1:32:40.880 feel responsible and I feel guilty and I just wanted 1:32:40.920 --> 1:32:41.400 you to know that. 1:32:41.800 --> 1:32:42.960 And they're like, what are you talking about? 1:32:42.960 --> 1:32:45.000 And she pulls out a ziploc bag and it's got. 1:32:44.880 --> 1:32:47.920 A bunch of jewelry in it. So done done. 1:32:48.080 --> 1:32:51.280 This fucking guy has more than just the few victims 1:32:51.280 --> 1:32:55.640 that we've seen at the precinct. She's explaining how her 1:32:55.760 --> 1:32:58.639 husband would give her surprise gifts all the time. He'd 1:32:58.640 --> 1:33:00.679 gets so excited when she tried the on, she thought 1:33:00.680 --> 1:33:03.519 it was romantic. She's crying and then she's like, I 1:33:03.560 --> 1:33:05.240 need a second and then she just like gets on 1:33:05.280 --> 1:33:07.200 the phone and calls her husband says, I. 1:33:07.120 --> 1:33:08.320 Can't take it. Come home. 1:33:08.320 --> 1:33:09.720 You've got to come home right now, and then she 1:33:09.760 --> 1:33:11.800 turns around stone faced and goes He'll be on the 1:33:11.800 --> 1:33:15.439 next train from Philadelphia, So the wife is on board now. 1:33:15.800 --> 1:33:18.000 At Penn station, Munch and Finner following him out of 1:33:18.000 --> 1:33:20.200 the station, they meet up with Benson and Stabler and 1:33:20.240 --> 1:33:23.360 they all arrest him together. They bring in the Douche 1:33:23.360 --> 1:33:26.879 Parade again for a lineup, and Laurie immediately recognizes Cleary's 1:33:26.920 --> 1:33:29.519 voice after they all say is this how you like it? 1:33:29.560 --> 1:33:29.880 Again? 1:33:30.200 --> 1:33:32.760 He's smugly staring through the glass to freak her out, 1:33:32.920 --> 1:33:37.400 which is unhinged, and it does freak her out. Another 1:33:37.400 --> 1:33:39.400 lineup happens with one of the girls from Hilly Ray. 1:33:39.479 --> 1:33:42.400 Also, I don't know if intimidating through the glasses that crazy. 1:33:42.439 --> 1:33:45.000 Yeah, you're right, Like, I mean, it's not weird for 1:33:45.080 --> 1:33:48.400 him to be like staring creepily smuggly through the glass, 1:33:48.439 --> 1:33:49.680 but it's like the cops are watching you. 1:33:49.640 --> 1:33:51.880 So it's kind of strange. But whatever, I hate this man. 1:33:51.960 --> 1:33:52.360 So much. 1:33:52.600 --> 1:33:56.280 Then there's another lineup with one of the victims from Philly, 1:33:56.479 --> 1:34:00.160 and she also Id's Cleary by his voice. And then 1:34:00.160 --> 1:34:02.519 now we're at arraignment and he turns around and grins 1:34:02.520 --> 1:34:05.719 at Harper, who's sitting in the gallery, And when somebody 1:34:05.800 --> 1:34:08.240 moves out of his field of vision, it reveals that 1:34:08.280 --> 1:34:10.240 his wife is sitting right next to Harper, and that 1:34:10.320 --> 1:34:12.679 smug little smile goes bye bye real quick, and it's 1:34:12.720 --> 1:34:15.880 a lovely moment, and Cabot asks for a man. The 1:34:15.960 --> 1:34:18.080 judge is like, give me a number, like, because obviously 1:34:18.160 --> 1:34:19.760 this lawyer's not going to shut the fuck up until 1:34:19.760 --> 1:34:21.800 he gets bail. She goes five hundred K, and he 1:34:21.840 --> 1:34:23.720 goes double it, and the lawyer doesn't even blink. A 1:34:23.800 --> 1:34:28.639 million dollars bond bail doesn't blink. Harper and Meredith Cleary 1:34:28.680 --> 1:34:30.519 follow Cabot out of court. They're like, that's the best 1:34:30.560 --> 1:34:32.599 you can do, and Meredith is like, I thought maybe 1:34:32.640 --> 1:34:34.759 I was wrong, but then I saw my rapist husband 1:34:34.840 --> 1:34:37.719 sneer at Harper, Like you know, she basically saw that happen, 1:34:37.840 --> 1:34:39.120 So she's convinced. 1:34:39.320 --> 1:34:42.360 She gives Cabot her number. She's staying on long Island. 1:34:42.400 --> 1:34:44.080 She's like, yeah, I need to talk to you about 1:34:44.080 --> 1:34:46.040 your testimony, and then they're like anything else I could 1:34:46.080 --> 1:34:46.439 do for you? 1:34:46.520 --> 1:34:48.160 And she goes, do you know a good divorced lawyer? 1:34:48.200 --> 1:34:51.280 And then she stomps off and then one of Cleary's 1:34:51.320 --> 1:34:54.280 other lawyers walks up, and it's the late Great Ned Eisenberg. 1:34:55.520 --> 1:34:58.240 I had no idea that he plays three different defense 1:34:58.320 --> 1:34:59.479 attorneys in SVU. 1:35:00.080 --> 1:35:01.720 He plays a. 1:35:01.360 --> 1:35:06.400 Lawyer named Jerry Kleinert, a lawyer named Klein Rothberg, and 1:35:06.439 --> 1:35:09.479 then finally he becomes Roger Kressler, who's like the recurring, 1:35:09.520 --> 1:35:12.360 recurring lawyer. I just don't get why they would change 1:35:12.400 --> 1:35:14.960 his name so many times. Just keep it, But I 1:35:15.000 --> 1:35:17.800 will say, in this episode he's Klein Rothberg, which sounds 1:35:17.840 --> 1:35:19.360 like a made up name of your like name a 1:35:19.439 --> 1:35:22.559 Jewish lawyer, and you're like, klein Rothberg, Like, it just 1:35:22.720 --> 1:35:26.400 sounds very made up. So Harper calls him mister klein 1:35:26.439 --> 1:35:28.200 which is funny because I think it's his first name, 1:35:28.560 --> 1:35:30.960 and she tells him you're gonna burn in hell for 1:35:31.040 --> 1:35:34.080 representing this rapist, and he gleefully tells her that Jews 1:35:34.080 --> 1:35:35.640 don't believe in hell, and then is like gotta go 1:35:35.800 --> 1:35:37.840 and walks away with Cabot and he hands her a 1:35:37.880 --> 1:35:38.519 bunch of moments. 1:35:38.600 --> 1:35:40.120 He's emotions. He's filing. 1:35:40.160 --> 1:35:43.800 He's like in Leminae Suppress spousal privilege, he's filing them 1:35:43.800 --> 1:35:46.960 all okay. In the judges chambers, we have a queen 1:35:47.080 --> 1:35:52.120 an icon, Doris Black. She is Judge Margaret Barry. She 1:35:52.240 --> 1:35:55.920 is also the judge in Peak and that's it. Like, 1:35:55.960 --> 1:35:58.599 so she's not an icon SVU why is necessarily? I 1:35:58.760 --> 1:36:01.240 just love her. She was on One Life to Live 1:36:01.280 --> 1:36:03.080 for like eight hundred episodes back when I used to 1:36:03.120 --> 1:36:06.040 watch it. She was a voice on Doug. She's done 1:36:06.120 --> 1:36:08.680 like fifty eight episodes of Doug. She's some voice like 1:36:08.800 --> 1:36:12.120 named Dinky or Tippy Dink or something on Doug. And 1:36:12.200 --> 1:36:15.320 she has ninety credits. So she has a long acting career. 1:36:15.360 --> 1:36:18.400 And she sadly died in twenty eleven. But she's pouring 1:36:18.479 --> 1:36:20.400 tea in her chambers. I just love her. I feel 1:36:20.439 --> 1:36:22.559 like if she had lasted, if she had lived longer, 1:36:22.640 --> 1:36:25.960 she would have been on SBU more. But she's pouring 1:36:26.000 --> 1:36:27.680 tea and wants to know why, tell me why I 1:36:27.680 --> 1:36:30.600 shouldn't throw out the jewelry. It doesn't, and cabits like, 1:36:30.640 --> 1:36:34.519 it doesn't fall under spousal privilege, and nobody asked Cleary's 1:36:34.560 --> 1:36:35.880 wife where he got it. 1:36:36.439 --> 1:36:39.360 We just asked who gave it to you? 1:36:39.800 --> 1:36:42.160 So like that would be a violation of spousal privilege 1:36:42.280 --> 1:36:46.840 if Cleary said I got this from whatever. But for 1:36:46.920 --> 1:36:49.360 her to say, my husband gave me this, that's an action. 1:36:50.040 --> 1:36:54.040 And then he argues, well, wouldn't you say the act 1:36:54.080 --> 1:36:59.120 of giving jewelry is a communication and the judge is 1:36:59.200 --> 1:37:01.800 kind of buying it, so she goes, limit the scope. 1:37:01.840 --> 1:37:04.360 You can only talk about the receipt of the jewelry 1:37:04.400 --> 1:37:08.760 and buy whom. And now klein Rothberg is trying to 1:37:08.800 --> 1:37:11.400 get the voice id thrown out, and she goes, you'll 1:37:11.400 --> 1:37:14.840 have your chance to undermine the identification during cross more 1:37:14.920 --> 1:37:18.920 tea and I love that. So at trial Laurie's on 1:37:18.960 --> 1:37:23.040 the stand, Laurie tells Cleary's other lawyer that's not Kressler 1:37:23.400 --> 1:37:27.040 klein Rothberg, that she could never forget this guy's voice, 1:37:27.040 --> 1:37:29.400 and then that's how she id'ed him in the voice lineup. 1:37:29.880 --> 1:37:31.880 Then he does a dirty trick where he plays her 1:37:31.880 --> 1:37:33.840 a tape of a man saying, is this how you 1:37:33.920 --> 1:37:36.280 like it and she can't idea the voice, and then 1:37:36.520 --> 1:37:38.320 they play it again and she can't idea, and they 1:37:38.680 --> 1:37:40.840 revealed this is a coworker of yours, this is someone 1:37:40.880 --> 1:37:44.840 you talk to every day. Cabin objects and Judge Barry 1:37:44.920 --> 1:37:47.320 sustains and tells the lawyer to back off. 1:37:47.640 --> 1:37:49.800 Why did you not object before she answered her? 1:37:49.800 --> 1:37:52.120 I mean she did object, but for some reason, I 1:37:52.160 --> 1:37:55.080 feel like the judge allowed it. I can't believe it 1:37:55.120 --> 1:37:58.759 was allowed, and then it was sustained, like the jury 1:37:58.760 --> 1:38:00.880 should never have heard her not to get that voice, 1:38:00.880 --> 1:38:06.040 I'd because that's bullshit. Next up, Cabot is prepping Meredith Cleary, 1:38:06.120 --> 1:38:08.360 and she's like, why are you asking me these questions 1:38:08.360 --> 1:38:10.960 so specifically and so narrowly, And they're like, ma'am, we 1:38:11.080 --> 1:38:14.720 have to explain spousal privilege to you. Like she's like, 1:38:14.760 --> 1:38:16.280 I can't believe I'm not allowed to talk about what 1:38:16.320 --> 1:38:18.439 a huge boner my husband got every time he watched 1:38:18.479 --> 1:38:20.800 me wear these trophies, like how he'd make me wear 1:38:20.800 --> 1:38:22.880 them before we had sex, and they like, tell her, 1:38:23.120 --> 1:38:25.240 you're not allowed to say those things, and she's freaking 1:38:25.240 --> 1:38:28.280 out because he wants joint custody of their son. So 1:38:28.360 --> 1:38:31.040 she's flipping out, like and it's like, okay, well if 1:38:31.080 --> 1:38:33.320 they had just told her keep calm and stick to 1:38:33.400 --> 1:38:35.760 these answers, or you'll fuck the entire thing up. But 1:38:35.800 --> 1:38:37.639 then on the stand, Meredith is doing all the right stuff. 1:38:37.640 --> 1:38:39.679 She's answering the questions and the narrow she's staying within 1:38:39.680 --> 1:38:42.400 the scope. It's perfect. But then they ask her about 1:38:42.439 --> 1:38:45.240 some opal ring and she just fucking breaks, like she 1:38:45.320 --> 1:38:47.360 cannot keep it in, and she has to tell the 1:38:47.439 --> 1:38:49.760 cord how excited it made her husband when she put 1:38:49.760 --> 1:38:52.000 the ring on. He just had to have sex with her. 1:38:52.200 --> 1:38:55.160 And Meredith will not stop, and Cabbot is like, please stop, 1:38:55.200 --> 1:38:56.960 please stop, please stop, and she won't shut up, and 1:38:57.000 --> 1:38:58.920 she keeps going on and on about how he made 1:38:58.920 --> 1:39:00.240 her wear the trophies and he's sick. 1:39:00.320 --> 1:39:01.439 Fuck, et cetera, et cetera. 1:39:01.960 --> 1:39:05.120 Immediate mistrial is granted, like this dumb bitch, like I 1:39:05.160 --> 1:39:07.599 thought that they made it clear to her this could 1:39:07.640 --> 1:39:10.479 throw the entire thing. The judge calls Cabot over is like, 1:39:10.520 --> 1:39:13.800 I hold you specifically responsible for this. You prepped the 1:39:13.800 --> 1:39:15.759 witness and you knew she was in a fragile emotional 1:39:15.760 --> 1:39:18.040 state and could not stick to the scope of the questioning. 1:39:18.320 --> 1:39:20.360 You have the privilege of now starting over, and in 1:39:20.360 --> 1:39:23.360 the meantime, I hope you acquire some professionalism. 1:39:24.000 --> 1:39:24.280 Burn. 1:39:24.520 --> 1:39:27.120 This felt right out of the Petrovski playbook, except for 1:39:27.160 --> 1:39:30.040 calling her Alexandra. It was basically like it was Petrovski 1:39:30.280 --> 1:39:33.839 pre Petrovski Cabot. I think, I don't know when Petrovski started. 1:39:33.840 --> 1:39:38.040 But Cabot looks shook. She's been scolded. Meredith apologizes to Harper. 1:39:38.040 --> 1:39:40.080 She's like, I'm so sorry. Harper's like, it's okay, it's okay. 1:39:40.840 --> 1:39:44.759 Clearly smirk, said Harper. He is so nasty. This man. 1:39:45.080 --> 1:39:47.320 His name is Neil Maffin. He stopped acting in two 1:39:47.320 --> 1:39:49.360 thousand and five, but he could have come back to 1:39:49.439 --> 1:39:51.840 SVU as like eight different rapists. He's truly like top 1:39:51.880 --> 1:39:55.839 five awful rapists, I think on the show. So Cabot 1:39:55.880 --> 1:39:57.800 is in crazy. Maybe he stopped acting because he's like, 1:39:57.800 --> 1:39:59.519 I'm literally just getting cast as rapists all the time. 1:39:59.520 --> 1:40:01.160 I have to go work on my face or something like. 1:40:01.200 --> 1:40:01.599 I don't know. 1:40:02.040 --> 1:40:05.240 But Cabot is in Craigan's office now, she's drinking and 1:40:05.280 --> 1:40:08.800 she's like, do you want any Cabot doesn't know yet 1:40:08.840 --> 1:40:12.040 that Craigan is a sober a Sally and is in AA. 1:40:12.479 --> 1:40:14.920 So she's like, I feel like a kid who got scolded. 1:40:15.360 --> 1:40:17.840 And then she's like, we cannot try this again. 1:40:17.880 --> 1:40:18.719 We have no case. 1:40:19.080 --> 1:40:21.719 His attorney's blue holes in the ID. The wife maybe 1:40:21.720 --> 1:40:24.680 sabotage us on purpose. Cleary now and she's like and 1:40:24.680 --> 1:40:26.559 how Cleary walks and the people get a black eye, 1:40:26.560 --> 1:40:29.240 and Craigan goes, so it's all about you, and Kbbot goes, 1:40:29.240 --> 1:40:31.280 I don't need this Kragan, which you never really hear 1:40:31.320 --> 1:40:33.799 her say anything like that to him. I don't need this, Kragan, 1:40:34.240 --> 1:40:36.360 And then Craigan goes, well, you're whining about your case. 1:40:36.400 --> 1:40:39.240 You forgot about Harper and Laurie and the victims in Philadelphia. 1:40:39.640 --> 1:40:41.920 And then he calls Meredith the biggest victim of all 1:40:41.960 --> 1:40:43.439 because she has to deal with this guy for the 1:40:43.439 --> 1:40:45.720 rest of her life because they share a kid. Like 1:40:45.760 --> 1:40:48.080 can you imagine like your rapist husband gets off and 1:40:48.120 --> 1:40:50.120 you have to like share your child with him because 1:40:50.120 --> 1:40:53.160 there's no legal Like awful happens all the time, I'm sure. 1:40:53.200 --> 1:40:57.439 But Craigan gets a phone call and he's like, we're 1:40:57.439 --> 1:41:01.000 on our way, cut to Meredith Cleary running. I'm close 1:41:01.080 --> 1:41:03.880 up of Meredith Cleary running I make up, tear stained face. 1:41:04.360 --> 1:41:06.360 She says she came by to get some things for 1:41:06.400 --> 1:41:09.040 her son, and Cleary hit her and wouldn't stop hitting her. 1:41:09.479 --> 1:41:13.240 Harper is there, also, her new bff, and she's going 1:41:13.360 --> 1:41:14.200 she didn't have a choice. 1:41:14.240 --> 1:41:15.479 He wouldn't stop and. 1:41:15.479 --> 1:41:18.400 Cleary is lying there dead on the floor, and Benson 1:41:18.439 --> 1:41:21.479 asked who tried to clean up? And Harper goes, oh, 1:41:21.520 --> 1:41:24.200 I did well. Meredith was hysterical about the blood seeping 1:41:24.200 --> 1:41:27.160 into the floor. Does it make a difference? Like she's 1:41:27.200 --> 1:41:30.679 acting so like clueless, like on purpose. It's very fake, 1:41:31.080 --> 1:41:33.240 and Benson goes, you know it makes a difference. Harper 1:41:33.240 --> 1:41:36.599 Bleach ruins the gunshot residue test and Harper's like really, 1:41:37.200 --> 1:41:39.439 and Saber asks, well, who shot him? And there's a 1:41:39.680 --> 1:41:41.800 way too long pause like these women should have gotten 1:41:41.800 --> 1:41:45.040 their stories straight, and Meredith goes, I did, And then 1:41:45.080 --> 1:41:49.200 we panned to Harper's smug face and that's dick wolf baby. 1:41:49.760 --> 1:41:50.439 That's the end. 1:41:50.880 --> 1:41:53.040 And there's a lot of like Reddit threads and stuff 1:41:53.080 --> 1:41:55.960 about like who did it Harper or the wife? It's 1:41:55.960 --> 1:42:00.360 absolutely Harper did it. Absolutely In my mind, Harper did it. 1:42:00.360 --> 1:42:04.360 They ruined the gun residue test because I'm also sure 1:42:04.400 --> 1:42:07.160 she got when she was cleaning up the bleach got 1:42:07.160 --> 1:42:08.960 on her hands, so like, yeah, so she's not gonna 1:42:08.960 --> 1:42:11.920 get any of the gun, like the gun residue. And 1:42:11.960 --> 1:42:15.120 then it's just the fact that also he was shot 1:42:15.560 --> 1:42:17.880 right in the fucking head, and they already showed how 1:42:17.880 --> 1:42:19.920 she was such a good shot, you know what I mean, Like, 1:42:20.920 --> 1:42:23.120 and I think the wife was probably like, you do it, 1:42:23.240 --> 1:42:27.720 you get the fucking like, you get the satisfaction. And 1:42:27.800 --> 1:42:32.040 I think the question is did the wife throw it 1:42:32.080 --> 1:42:34.439 on purpose for the mistrials so they could do this plan, 1:42:35.200 --> 1:42:37.920 because maybe Harper talked to her and was like, we 1:42:38.000 --> 1:42:40.880 could do this plan, and that way he's dead and 1:42:40.920 --> 1:42:42.960 you never have to fucking even tell your kid that 1:42:43.000 --> 1:42:43.679 he's in jail. 1:42:44.040 --> 1:42:44.760 You never have to. 1:42:45.040 --> 1:42:47.240 He could get out in twenty years and then he's 1:42:47.240 --> 1:42:48.960 back in your life trying to talk to your kid, 1:42:49.280 --> 1:42:50.120 who knows. 1:42:50.080 --> 1:42:52.360 You know. I feel like it was a plot and 1:42:52.360 --> 1:42:53.200 that Harper had this. 1:42:53.439 --> 1:42:55.920 Harper had a good six months to fucking research every 1:42:55.960 --> 1:42:59.960 in and out of this and get trained in shooting. 1:43:00.640 --> 1:43:04.040 And then she tells, she tells Benson. You think I'm 1:43:04.040 --> 1:43:06.400 this vigilante just trying to shoot him and that's not 1:43:06.439 --> 1:43:08.160 what I want. Like, it's like, no, I think it is. 1:43:08.240 --> 1:43:10.400 I think it might not be totally, but I think 1:43:10.400 --> 1:43:12.519 you love doing it. I think it's probably a great 1:43:12.560 --> 1:43:13.000 thrill for you. 1:43:13.080 --> 1:43:14.680 And I wish I got to see his face the 1:43:14.720 --> 1:43:17.240 moment he realized he was about to get shot by her. 1:43:17.880 --> 1:43:20.320 Yeah, yeah, me too, me too. 1:43:20.920 --> 1:43:23.679 All right, Okay, so excited to hear about this happening 1:43:23.680 --> 1:43:30.960 in real life. 1:43:32.520 --> 1:43:37.840 It's two crimes with two really like silly sentences, like 1:43:37.960 --> 1:43:41.760 hundreds and thousands of years, so I don't know how that. 1:43:43.320 --> 1:43:43.479 Well. 1:43:43.520 --> 1:43:45.680 Also, we should say that this episode is based on 1:43:45.720 --> 1:43:48.439 the Kathleen Ham case, which we already covered when we 1:43:48.479 --> 1:43:50.519 did the episode Limitations, So if you want to go 1:43:50.560 --> 1:43:54.600 listen to the Limitations again, there's a similar It's The 1:43:54.600 --> 1:43:56.719 Woman who Limitations is the episode where the woman won't 1:43:56.720 --> 1:43:58.720 testify because now she's a Quaker and she thinks that 1:43:58.720 --> 1:44:01.559 her rapist has made good and changed his ways and 1:44:01.600 --> 1:44:05.120 she doesn't think she needs to be forced to testify 1:44:05.160 --> 1:44:07.479 against him, and the statute de limitations is running out. 1:44:08.000 --> 1:44:13.200 This is the Bronx rapist case. Isaac sometimes Ricky Jones, 1:44:13.280 --> 1:44:17.519 Isaac Jones, Isaac Ricky Jones, serial rapist. He's accused of 1:44:17.560 --> 1:44:21.080 attacking fifty one victims over six years in the Bronx, 1:44:21.200 --> 1:44:25.759 Upper Manhattan and Westchester County, but thirty nine instances because 1:44:25.760 --> 1:44:29.519 sometimes multiple women at once, Oh my god, two or three. 1:44:29.640 --> 1:44:33.000 He was truly a maniac. Was a maintenance worker, lived 1:44:33.000 --> 1:44:35.880 in the Bronx. He worked the evening shift at General 1:44:35.920 --> 1:44:39.559 Motors on Fifth Ave, and so he would finish work 1:44:39.600 --> 1:44:41.760 around one am, and then the attacks happened around four 1:44:41.800 --> 1:44:44.920 to five am. And you know, all his coworkers are like, oh, 1:44:44.960 --> 1:44:47.840 he was sweet, smiling, laughing, we love him. But then 1:44:48.240 --> 1:44:50.600 when they searched his lockers, the worker said that he 1:44:50.600 --> 1:44:53.799 had all these women cut out from porno magazines papered inside. 1:44:53.840 --> 1:44:56.880 And it's like, was that not suspicious to anyone? And 1:44:56.920 --> 1:44:58.880 also like, why are you bringing corn to work and 1:44:59.040 --> 1:44:59.960 hanging in your locker? 1:45:00.160 --> 1:45:01.320 That's so crazy to me. 1:45:02.080 --> 1:45:06.360 Yeah, yeah, that's a disordered way I think of looking 1:45:06.400 --> 1:45:07.840 at sex and sexuality. 1:45:08.640 --> 1:45:11.080 Yeah, for sure. And of course he had priors. Of 1:45:11.080 --> 1:45:14.280 course he had priors. Convicted of sodomy in nineteen eighty three, 1:45:14.680 --> 1:45:18.559 robbery in nineteen eighty nine, then released from prison in 1:45:18.640 --> 1:45:22.320 ninety three and was on parole until nineteen ninety six. 1:45:22.920 --> 1:45:27.120 But the rape started in nineteen ninety three, and the 1:45:27.120 --> 1:45:30.320 cops did not recognize a pattern until nineteen ninety seven, 1:45:31.000 --> 1:45:34.439 and then started working backwards and finding cases that fit 1:45:34.520 --> 1:45:36.320 the pattern and bringing them forward. 1:45:36.920 --> 1:45:41.519 But that means he was doing all of this on parole. Jesus, Yeah, 1:45:41.960 --> 1:45:45.439 which is like, okay, fire that parole officer. I guess 1:45:46.200 --> 1:45:48.759 fifty one rapes, yes, I guess. 1:45:48.760 --> 1:45:50.840 But if you're showing up to your parole stuff, what 1:45:50.880 --> 1:45:51.760 does the parole officer do. 1:45:51.800 --> 1:45:52.880 They don't follow you, you. 1:45:52.840 --> 1:45:55.559 Know, maybe they should? No, I don't, Yeah, I mean 1:45:55.920 --> 1:45:58.240 a surprise visit. You couldn't have surprised him on one 1:45:58.240 --> 1:46:02.960 of these rapes. Like, I just I don't understand. It's 1:46:03.320 --> 1:46:05.120 it's wild and I betty, I wonder if he was 1:46:05.120 --> 1:46:07.000 like planning all this in jail in his head, like 1:46:07.520 --> 1:46:09.400 or he did it pre like he did have that 1:46:09.479 --> 1:46:11.240 sodomy charge, but like I just wonder. 1:46:11.680 --> 1:46:12.240 Yeah. 1:46:12.280 --> 1:46:15.720 So he was arrested finally for his crimes with his 1:46:15.760 --> 1:46:18.560 girlfriend outside of a Bronx pawn shop and trying to 1:46:18.600 --> 1:46:22.120 sell jewelry that he of course, like took from a victim, 1:46:22.479 --> 1:46:25.320 so a lot of similarities to the episodes. So the 1:46:25.320 --> 1:46:27.160 cops sat outside the pawn shop day and night for 1:46:27.200 --> 1:46:28.240 two months to catch him. 1:46:29.400 --> 1:46:31.080 And this jewelry was. 1:46:31.040 --> 1:46:36.320 From a Valentine's Day double rape, Oh my god, which 1:46:36.360 --> 1:46:38.639 his girlfriend then, who was like getting the jewels, said 1:46:38.680 --> 1:46:40.840 she was sitting with him on Valentine's Day watching the 1:46:40.880 --> 1:46:44.000 news of the Valentine's Day double rape, so she was 1:46:44.000 --> 1:46:45.880 like shocked at all this information as well. But like, 1:46:45.880 --> 1:46:48.080 so on Valentine's they're like hanging out watching the news, 1:46:48.080 --> 1:46:49.320 which is like a weird. 1:46:49.080 --> 1:46:50.880 Valentine's Day to be honest, local news. 1:46:50.960 --> 1:46:54.439 Yeah, but then they're like watching a peace on the 1:46:54.800 --> 1:46:58.040 on the rapist Oh my god. 1:46:57.920 --> 1:47:02.240 He's and she just thought they were selling probably jewelry 1:47:02.240 --> 1:47:03.679 that he had just like randomly stolen. 1:47:03.960 --> 1:47:06.559 Yeah I found or gotten, Betty. If you do maintenance 1:47:06.600 --> 1:47:07.759 in a building, I'm sure he could. 1:47:07.600 --> 1:47:10.200 Be like I found him. Yeah, yeah, that's true. One 1:47:10.200 --> 1:47:12.800 of the perks he confessed. 1:47:13.240 --> 1:47:15.760 He confessed though, to four rapes and eight arm robberies, 1:47:16.920 --> 1:47:20.240 and then his DNA then linked him to seventeen attacks. 1:47:21.160 --> 1:47:24.240 So I mean, he of course is like I was coursed. 1:47:24.280 --> 1:47:27.120 I was this DNA. It's like there's seventeen Dana like 1:47:27.160 --> 1:47:30.680 shop it just plead Dancy, just plead guilty. But he 1:47:30.760 --> 1:47:33.760 did confess to these rapes and robberies. Other charges he 1:47:33.800 --> 1:47:37.760 got was menacing, possession of stolen property and a weapons possession. 1:47:38.720 --> 1:47:41.439 His victim's crazy age thirteen to fifty three. 1:47:42.640 --> 1:47:43.880 Wow. Yeah. 1:47:44.400 --> 1:47:46.479 And one he raped a woman in front of her daughter. 1:47:47.160 --> 1:47:48.960 Another time raped a daughter in front of the mom 1:47:49.000 --> 1:47:52.679 in an elevator. One time a woman was five months pregnant. 1:47:52.920 --> 1:47:55.720 One just rejected his advances and he raped her like 1:47:56.040 --> 1:47:58.000 he really was, like not discriminated. 1:47:58.000 --> 1:47:59.519 I don't know, just like out there raping. 1:48:00.160 --> 1:48:02.160 He got one hundred and fifty five years to life, 1:48:02.200 --> 1:48:04.360 and then in an additional one hundred and seventy seven 1:48:04.439 --> 1:48:07.160 years for the other crimes and so that and then 1:48:07.200 --> 1:48:09.240 he was sentenced to three hundred and seventy five years 1:48:09.280 --> 1:48:12.799 in jail as well from like og like a dozen 1:48:12.920 --> 1:48:17.480 of other rapes because and it was also like Westchester, Bronx, Manhattan. 1:48:18.240 --> 1:48:21.880 Yeah yeah, so they all there were rapes in all 1:48:21.880 --> 1:48:22.200 of them. 1:48:22.360 --> 1:48:26.320 So he got all of these years, which I don't 1:48:26.360 --> 1:48:26.639 know why. 1:48:26.680 --> 1:48:28.280 I think it's like funny like, I don't know if 1:48:28.320 --> 1:48:29.840 I hate it or like it, or I could just 1:48:29.880 --> 1:48:32.280 be indifferent and not have a strong opinion. But like, 1:48:32.400 --> 1:48:35.240 I don't know how I feel about these kooky sentences. 1:48:35.400 --> 1:48:37.160 I know, I think that they're supposed to be like 1:48:38.320 --> 1:48:41.320 have impact or something. But I feel like you could 1:48:41.360 --> 1:48:45.200 just say for life, no, no parole for life. 1:48:45.360 --> 1:48:47.240 Yeah. I don't know why three hundred and seventy five. 1:48:47.760 --> 1:48:51.479 I guess maybe it makes victims feel like twenty of 1:48:51.479 --> 1:48:53.880 those years are for me, and twenty of those years, 1:48:53.960 --> 1:48:55.240 or you know, maybe that makes. 1:48:55.040 --> 1:48:57.759 It feel like or I was singing, if technology gets ahead, 1:48:58.040 --> 1:48:58.320 you know. 1:48:58.439 --> 1:49:01.320 Maybe we'll get outchnically free, saying that in jail. 1:49:01.600 --> 1:49:05.720 Yeah, I was thinking that too. Actually, I was like, 1:49:05.760 --> 1:49:08.080 you could just say for life, because that covers it. 1:49:08.160 --> 1:49:11.800 Even if we figure out some new technology. There's some 1:49:11.880 --> 1:49:13.680 new berry you can eat that makes you live till 1:49:13.720 --> 1:49:15.679 your fourth hundred, you know, just like yeah. 1:49:15.560 --> 1:49:17.760 And they get free slave labor in there so they'll 1:49:17.800 --> 1:49:21.519 keep them alive, yeah, yeap, or get new ones of whatever. 1:49:21.800 --> 1:49:25.200 Its so hard not to go to the depths of hell. Okay, 1:49:25.240 --> 1:49:28.479 he was not whatever. He kept saying he's innocent. He 1:49:28.560 --> 1:49:31.200 wanted appeals he's like, yeah, I feel bad for these women, 1:49:31.280 --> 1:49:34.040 but I didn't do it. And it's like you had 1:49:34.040 --> 1:49:37.799 the jewelry you at the DNA, don't. I don't understand 1:49:37.880 --> 1:49:41.559 what you're even trying to do here. His lawyer, Kevin Canfield, 1:49:41.560 --> 1:49:43.839 said that the DNA is a perfect tool to exclude 1:49:43.840 --> 1:49:46.479 a suspect, but it should not be used the soul 1:49:46.680 --> 1:49:49.599 like the sole thing to idea man to send him 1:49:49.640 --> 1:49:51.840 to jail for life. And it's like that's in the 1:49:51.920 --> 1:49:56.120 daily news, but I don't know what are you talking about. 1:49:56.200 --> 1:49:57.880 If it's rape, the DNA puts you. 1:49:57.840 --> 1:50:01.439 In jail, Yeah, your jiz is there being like it 1:50:01.600 --> 1:50:02.400 actually isn't. 1:50:02.520 --> 1:50:05.880 No, the DNA is actually all we need. Yeah yeah, yeah. 1:50:06.000 --> 1:50:08.679 They're always like adding things that are like it has 1:50:08.720 --> 1:50:10.759 to be you know, it should actually be four different 1:50:10.800 --> 1:50:14.240 points of if somebody doesn't see it happen, it can't 1:50:14.240 --> 1:50:16.280 it's not real, you know, like it's really just and 1:50:16.280 --> 1:50:16.759 if there's. 1:50:16.640 --> 1:50:18.920 A witness should unreliable, unreliable. 1:50:18.960 --> 1:50:22.280 Yeah, and what years was this? This was like in 1:50:22.320 --> 1:50:25.760 the eighties, three to ninety ninety seven, So it's like 1:50:25.800 --> 1:50:27.720 this guy was probably just like a lawyer that's like, 1:50:27.800 --> 1:50:29.680 fuck this DNA is really fucking a lot of my 1:50:29.720 --> 1:50:32.639 clients over because like the DNA is starting around then 1:50:32.760 --> 1:50:37.320 you're totally right, You're totally right, and now it's like dog, 1:50:37.520 --> 1:50:38.280 it's the standard. 1:50:38.360 --> 1:50:41.479 So don't leave your DNA somewhere where you're committing a crime. 1:50:42.120 --> 1:50:45.519 The Daily News also wrote that the judge said, you 1:50:45.600 --> 1:50:48.280 subjected these women to tearor and no one should have 1:50:48.320 --> 1:50:51.720 to experience this kind of humiliation. You are a persistent, 1:50:51.880 --> 1:50:55.920 violent criminal. And then another judge, and this is in 1:50:56.040 --> 1:50:59.559 the post. It's in the post, but this judge said, 1:51:00.320 --> 1:51:04.480 a remorseless menace to society who hunted women and terrorized 1:51:04.479 --> 1:51:07.160 them for his own pleasure. And that judge gave him 1:51:07.160 --> 1:51:09.240 one fifty five one hundred forty five years. And then 1:51:09.320 --> 1:51:12.640 one victim who spoke out the sentencing. She said she 1:51:12.720 --> 1:51:14.479 was on her way to visit her fiance when she 1:51:14.520 --> 1:51:17.120 was raped in the elevator of his apartment building. As 1:51:17.120 --> 1:51:19.640 a result, my engagement ended. My fiance did not know 1:51:19.680 --> 1:51:21.400 how to deal with a rape victim. I will never 1:51:21.439 --> 1:51:23.479 ever forget what you did to me. Now you will 1:51:23.520 --> 1:51:26.760 not be able to victimize another woman. Yeah, and so 1:51:26.840 --> 1:51:30.320 that shows just like the aftermath, the like crumbling of lives, 1:51:30.400 --> 1:51:31.719 things not working. 1:51:31.760 --> 1:51:33.439 You know. I think they definitely took a lot from 1:51:33.479 --> 1:51:34.719 this case for the episode. 1:51:34.840 --> 1:51:38.800 Yeah, and it's probably consistent for most victims of this 1:51:38.880 --> 1:51:41.840 type of crime. And the judges were going off. One 1:51:41.880 --> 1:51:46.680 of them, Justice Fish. He quoted Shakespeare. He wrote, we 1:51:46.760 --> 1:51:49.559 are reminded in Hamlet that the devil hath power to 1:51:49.640 --> 1:51:53.679 assume a pleasing shape. That's in the times like these 1:51:53.840 --> 1:51:58.400 these judges were really going off. He's like, he might 1:51:58.439 --> 1:52:02.599 pretend to be chill, but yeah, whatever, you don't seem 1:52:02.640 --> 1:52:04.440 to be as turned on by this Hamlet. 1:52:04.600 --> 1:52:06.840 No, I'm just kind of like, what does that mean? 1:52:06.920 --> 1:52:09.080 The devil has a pleasing shape? Doesn't that mean that, 1:52:09.240 --> 1:52:11.920 like the devil is this guy hot? 1:52:12.000 --> 1:52:14.280 Like? What are we talking about? Smiley? I think he 1:52:14.439 --> 1:52:17.439 was like, you know, I think people like him. 1:52:17.920 --> 1:52:20.559 I'm literally googling the guy's image to be like, what 1:52:20.840 --> 1:52:21.880 is he gorgeous? 1:52:21.880 --> 1:52:24.920 What's happening when we talking about just this fucking judge 1:52:24.960 --> 1:52:27.200 I'm obsessed with. Yeah, there is a twist. 1:52:27.400 --> 1:52:29.559 There's a twist in a weird element of this case 1:52:30.720 --> 1:52:33.200 is that the cops were staking out for this guy, 1:52:33.520 --> 1:52:36.320 but instead, while they were in playing clothes, they gunned 1:52:36.320 --> 1:52:40.080 down a different man and so I'm sorry for but 1:52:40.120 --> 1:52:43.960 they murdered an African immigrant named Amadu Diallo, and they 1:52:44.320 --> 1:52:47.160 decided to blame Jones for this instead of themselves. 1:52:47.200 --> 1:52:49.720 There was forty one bullets. 1:52:50.439 --> 1:52:53.920 And this is the this is the song that y Kleff, 1:52:54.040 --> 1:52:57.360 friend of the pod, has a song called Diallo where 1:52:57.720 --> 1:53:00.880 he sings about this and like this about this case 1:53:00.920 --> 1:53:03.519 from y Cleff, Like because I was like, what's this 1:53:03.600 --> 1:53:05.840 song about, and I like looked it up and it's like, 1:53:06.040 --> 1:53:09.960 this is one of the biggest cop shootings that kind 1:53:10.000 --> 1:53:13.120 of started a lot of the you know, especially the 1:53:13.280 --> 1:53:19.720 NYPD racism against from the NYPD racism against black men 1:53:19.800 --> 1:53:21.840 and just like random shootings of people who are not 1:53:21.880 --> 1:53:22.479 even armed. 1:53:23.000 --> 1:53:27.440 He was reaching for his wallet, Diallo. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:53:27.240 --> 1:53:29.599 And so you lived less than a mile away from Jones, 1:53:29.840 --> 1:53:33.320 but he fit the description probably just black. And so yeah, 1:53:33.320 --> 1:53:36.880 there was all these protests against Giuliani the police, and 1:53:36.920 --> 1:53:38.880 I'm like, I can't believe they're even trying to spin this, 1:53:40.000 --> 1:53:42.160 like to try to blame this other guy. 1:53:42.280 --> 1:53:44.240 Like it's so it's crazy to me. 1:53:45.160 --> 1:53:47.000 All the news kept saying the cops were looking for 1:53:47.080 --> 1:53:49.639 this man and killed another man, and that's Isaac's fault. 1:53:49.920 --> 1:53:51.920 And it's like, no, make me side with a rapist. 1:53:52.000 --> 1:53:54.840 You guys are fucking like so annoying to me, Like 1:53:54.880 --> 1:53:57.280 if it wasn't and one of the judges even said, like, 1:53:57.280 --> 1:54:00.919 if it wasn't for you, Amadu Diello would be live today, 1:54:01.520 --> 1:54:03.240 and it's like, well, he would be alive if the 1:54:03.280 --> 1:54:05.280 cops didn't shoot him forty one times. 1:54:05.640 --> 1:54:07.879 Yeah, And if you're wondering, the cops were acquitted. 1:54:07.920 --> 1:54:11.240 For sure, they were acquitted of the crime February two 1:54:11.240 --> 1:54:13.559 thousand and Yeah. 1:54:13.600 --> 1:54:15.880 They thought the wallet was a gun. That's what they 1:54:16.439 --> 1:54:19.679 they thought, and they found them not guilty, and they're 1:54:19.680 --> 1:54:21.719 blaming this other guy. It's like so crazy. 1:54:22.280 --> 1:54:26.200 So now Ronnie Shelton, we got Ronnie Shelton, the West Side. 1:54:26.120 --> 1:54:31.040 Rape Little Ronnie Shelton. Wait, why'd you say that? I 1:54:31.040 --> 1:54:32.520 don't know, it just sound doesn't it sound like a 1:54:32.520 --> 1:54:35.600 guy that's like a dork in an eighties movie? Well, 1:54:35.720 --> 1:54:39.000 well it isn't little Ronnie Shelton more than two hundred 1:54:39.040 --> 1:54:44.960 counts of rape? Yeah, asshole, he would be fucking torn 1:54:45.000 --> 1:54:47.520 apart on the con air. They wouldn't have liked him. 1:54:47.560 --> 1:54:50.360 Oh yeah, wouldn't have enough body. That's what I mean 1:54:50.400 --> 1:54:52.400 for little Ronnie Shelton on conn Air. 1:54:52.560 --> 1:54:54.760 That's right, all. 1:54:54.720 --> 1:54:58.000 Right, whatever he got three thousand years, Why are these 1:54:58.080 --> 1:55:01.680 cases together? Like so, yeah, this guy got three thousand 1:55:01.760 --> 1:55:04.720 years for being convicted of more than two hundred counts 1:55:04.720 --> 1:55:07.760 of rape, longest sentence in Ohio history. 1:55:08.640 --> 1:55:10.720 But he did take his own life and is dead. 1:55:10.960 --> 1:55:12.040 But it's crazy. 1:55:12.080 --> 1:55:14.400 So September twentieth and you know when like a death 1:55:14.440 --> 1:55:16.600 happens or something different and then all the stuff you 1:55:16.640 --> 1:55:19.880 can find is about that and not the original news. Yeah, 1:55:19.880 --> 1:55:21.560 it was like so hard to dig back. I finally 1:55:21.560 --> 1:55:23.680 found some FBI reports, but it was just like. 1:55:25.600 --> 1:55:28.000 That happens all the time, where you're like, you're just 1:55:28.000 --> 1:55:29.800 trying to find out what a serial killer did, and 1:55:29.840 --> 1:55:31.720 it's like he died recently, and you're like, I don't 1:55:31.760 --> 1:55:32.520 care about the death. 1:55:32.560 --> 1:55:34.680 Give me like age twenty of Google. I'm like, what 1:55:34.720 --> 1:55:37.320 the fuck I'm typing in all these different other things 1:55:37.360 --> 1:55:44.640 of like original news victim timeline. Yeah, yes, but September 1:55:44.720 --> 1:55:48.120 twenty eighteen, he was found dead at the Grafton Correctional Institute. 1:55:48.440 --> 1:55:50.680 And it's good he's dead. He was thirty years into 1:55:50.720 --> 1:55:52.440 his sentence, which is also a long time. But he 1:55:52.520 --> 1:55:55.360 jumped off the roof of the prison, so that I 1:55:55.400 --> 1:55:57.520 have a lot of questions. We don't know how he 1:55:57.600 --> 1:56:00.240 got on the roof, but his skull was fractured and 1:56:00.280 --> 1:56:03.800 he was fifty seven, damn. But I wonder if someone 1:56:03.840 --> 1:56:05.760 let him get on the roof because he wanted to die, 1:56:05.840 --> 1:56:07.760 like and Courty was like, give me the needle. I 1:56:07.760 --> 1:56:10.800 don't deserve to live. I sayah, I shouldn't have done it. 1:56:12.040 --> 1:56:14.000 So I shouldn't have done It is kind of rough 1:56:14.000 --> 1:56:18.720 when you've done something two hundred times. Sorry, yeah, like 1:56:18.840 --> 1:56:21.040 a murder, a bank robbery, I shouldn't have done it, 1:56:21.080 --> 1:56:23.440 but like, yeah, you did it two hundred fucking times. 1:56:23.480 --> 1:56:23.680 Bro. 1:56:24.520 --> 1:56:26.920 I just can't believe raping so much. And so this 1:56:26.960 --> 1:56:30.280 is the eighties, so pre total DNA for sure. But 1:56:30.360 --> 1:56:34.000 he terrorized women in the eighties across Cleveland for six years. 1:56:34.600 --> 1:56:36.720 He was twenty eight years old when he was convicted 1:56:36.760 --> 1:56:39.400 of raping at least thirty women, and they knew it 1:56:39.440 --> 1:56:42.800 was one person because of them. And it's a again 1:56:43.080 --> 1:56:45.320 tied back to that episode. So he always said the 1:56:45.320 --> 1:56:48.240 same things, don't look at me, don't say anything, if 1:56:48.280 --> 1:56:49.760 you do that, you're gonna get hurt. 1:56:50.680 --> 1:56:54.680 And that's like a local Channel three NBC affiliate in Cleveland. 1:56:55.840 --> 1:56:58.160 But so he would say that he was finally captured 1:56:58.200 --> 1:57:02.320 on an ATM again using a victim card, Like what 1:57:02.440 --> 1:57:02.880 is up? 1:57:03.040 --> 1:57:05.200 Stop doing that, I mean, get caught. 1:57:05.360 --> 1:57:08.280 I'm happy, but like geez, yeah, so yeah, he was 1:57:08.360 --> 1:57:10.960 using a victim card. We got him on ATM on 1:57:11.000 --> 1:57:14.160 the ATM camera, but he was getting caught for voyeurism 1:57:14.280 --> 1:57:16.640 and he would like stake these women out for days, 1:57:17.040 --> 1:57:19.080 but for some reason they kept letting him go but 1:57:19.160 --> 1:57:22.360 also not tying him to any of the attacks, and 1:57:23.160 --> 1:57:26.360 which is strange. But I did find a reddit so 1:57:26.440 --> 1:57:28.200 because it was hard to find like sources for the 1:57:28.240 --> 1:57:31.000 things I needed. But there is a book that was 1:57:31.000 --> 1:57:33.440 written by James Nef that actually seems really really good 1:57:33.440 --> 1:57:35.360 and I want to read it. It's called Unfinished Murder. 1:57:35.920 --> 1:57:40.520 And in the book, this Reddit guy read the book 1:57:40.520 --> 1:57:43.600 and is talking about the book and he said how 1:57:43.920 --> 1:57:46.080 he would break into homes all the time and he's 1:57:46.080 --> 1:57:48.200 been a voyeur since he was young and kind of 1:57:48.200 --> 1:57:50.040 classic bad parents. He was beat a lot, you know, 1:57:50.080 --> 1:57:50.640 shit like that. 1:57:51.160 --> 1:57:54.200 But it is like sounds exactly like the Cheshire Murder guys, 1:57:54.240 --> 1:57:56.200 like the guy one of the guys was like fully 1:57:56.240 --> 1:57:58.640 a voyeur, was doing tons of B and E and 1:57:58.680 --> 1:58:02.080 then accelerate, know, but leveled. 1:58:01.840 --> 1:58:04.000 Up, honey. He lefveled up at twelve. At twelve, he 1:58:04.040 --> 1:58:09.320 was convicted of hammering a twelve year old dead and 1:58:09.360 --> 1:58:11.280 he also raped a twelve year old as a child. 1:58:11.440 --> 1:58:16.040 Oh my god. So there was no rambing. 1:58:16.160 --> 1:58:20.520 He truly was like like following this guy, Yeah, like 1:58:20.640 --> 1:58:24.879 how are we Wow? So the FBI report I found, 1:58:25.120 --> 1:58:28.760 you know, it's zot gov that he was exceptionally verbally 1:58:28.800 --> 1:58:32.880 degrading and vulgar. And while he would do it, he 1:58:32.920 --> 1:58:35.120 would always like he would bring up the voyeurism. So 1:58:35.160 --> 1:58:37.480 he's like, I've seen you with your boyfriend, I've seen 1:58:37.480 --> 1:58:40.600 you around you know who I am. You would have 1:58:40.600 --> 1:58:43.040 details about that and then these details are really fucked 1:58:43.080 --> 1:58:44.800 so but like you're listening. 1:58:44.560 --> 1:58:47.840 To this podcast. But he would rape them vaginally, but 1:58:47.920 --> 1:58:49.160 he would ejaculate on them. 1:58:49.680 --> 1:58:51.720 And so this is very like night stalker to me. 1:58:51.800 --> 1:58:54.240 The eighties, like you could just jiz and puke and 1:58:54.320 --> 1:58:55.240 like piss everywhere. 1:58:55.400 --> 1:58:57.000 Yeah, because they weren't testing anything. 1:58:57.240 --> 1:58:59.320 Yeah, So he was just like jerking off on every 1:58:59.320 --> 1:59:02.640 because he would mass stbade over them and use their 1:59:02.680 --> 1:59:05.640 clothing to wipe it off. He would then force like 1:59:05.840 --> 1:59:09.040 oral and manual rape and make them swallow as well, 1:59:10.360 --> 1:59:13.919 but yeah, chaotic loose with the fluids, and then the 1:59:13.920 --> 1:59:17.480 the and the fbim O was entering a victim's dwelling. 1:59:18.320 --> 1:59:22.480 Why dwelling? What are you guys trying to be so poetic? Dwelling? 1:59:23.800 --> 1:59:26.880 Is that a thing? I don't know? We're losing it. 1:59:28.720 --> 1:59:30.400 So his emo, he would go through a window or 1:59:30.400 --> 1:59:33.680 a patio entrance that faced a wooded area or bushes. 1:59:33.960 --> 1:59:37.480 He wore ski mask, stocking, or scarf. He would convince 1:59:37.480 --> 1:59:39.240 the victim he was just there to rob them, not 1:59:39.400 --> 1:59:41.839 rape them. But then once he had him under control, 1:59:41.920 --> 1:59:44.960 he would go into rape mode and he would tell 1:59:45.000 --> 1:59:47.360 them to keep your eyes down, cover your eyes, don't 1:59:47.360 --> 1:59:49.839 look at me. I will kill you or hurt your kids. 1:59:50.360 --> 1:59:52.640 And then before he left, he would intimidate them as well, 1:59:52.680 --> 1:59:54.880 like don't call the police, or I'll come back and 1:59:55.000 --> 1:59:55.400 kill you. 1:59:57.160 --> 2:00:00.760 I did like it. The other one stay also too. 2:00:01.320 --> 2:00:03.680 Yeah, but it was like he would take their licenses 2:00:03.840 --> 2:00:06.080 or something, or he would always say I'll come back 2:00:06.160 --> 2:00:06.640 and yeah. 2:00:06.920 --> 2:00:08.600 Yeah, and he was a cop. 2:00:09.560 --> 2:00:13.360 Yeah, but I because I liked in the episode that 2:00:13.440 --> 2:00:15.960 it was like, I'm not going to insult you, like 2:00:16.000 --> 2:00:20.920 you're gonna call the cops. Yeah, yeah, it is kind 2:00:20.960 --> 2:00:23.600 you know, he's a good boy rapist. He wants to 2:00:23.600 --> 2:00:26.160 be seen as a good guy. Isn't that what they 2:00:26.200 --> 2:00:26.600 said in it? 2:00:27.600 --> 2:00:27.840 Yeah? 2:00:27.880 --> 2:00:31.840 They did. But like he's so smarmy, like I can't 2:00:31.840 --> 2:00:36.960 even imagine gentleman. Yeah, and you can't call a rapist 2:00:36.960 --> 2:00:39.839 a gentleman. But you guys get what I'm saying. Okay, 2:00:39.880 --> 2:00:41.280 so whatever before we. 2:00:41.280 --> 2:00:43.440 Don't get into the psychology in the episode, but I 2:00:43.480 --> 2:00:46.520 think that kind of guy is like these women probably 2:00:47.480 --> 2:00:50.520 would love this because I'm amazing. I make so much money, 2:00:50.600 --> 2:00:53.920 I'm rich, like whatever, Like they they just don't know 2:00:53.960 --> 2:00:56.320 that they want it, you know. Yeah, and that's why 2:00:56.360 --> 2:00:57.840 he gets pissed when he tries to kiss them and 2:00:57.880 --> 2:00:59.160 they like pull away. 2:00:59.680 --> 2:01:01.440 He's like, why wouldn't you want this? I'm amazing? 2:01:04.000 --> 2:01:07.560 Yeah, So intimidation, and he picked victims he could control, manipulate, 2:01:07.840 --> 2:01:11.560 and who he could project his anger onto. And then 2:01:11.640 --> 2:01:15.120 in nineteen eighty nine, at his trial, according to Channel three, 2:01:15.640 --> 2:01:18.120 none of the girls for who I Okay, So he said, 2:01:18.160 --> 2:01:20.320 none of the girls for who I am responsible for, 2:01:20.440 --> 2:01:26.880 deserved what happened to them. So you know, okay, this 2:01:26.960 --> 2:01:28.520 is the judge I want to have sex with. 2:01:28.840 --> 2:01:30.520 Okay, So Timothy J. 2:01:30.680 --> 2:01:36.200 McGuinty, he's an assistant Cuyahoga County prosecutor, but he handled 2:01:36.200 --> 2:01:38.640 the case and then became a judge and then chief prosecutor. 2:01:38.640 --> 2:01:40.920 But he said, I'm so glad these ladies outlived that 2:01:41.080 --> 2:01:41.880 son of a bitch. 2:01:43.400 --> 2:01:44.840 That's kind of hot ap news. 2:01:45.560 --> 2:01:48.240 He also praised more than the third more than thirty 2:01:48.240 --> 2:01:50.760 women who came forward to press charges even after this 2:01:50.840 --> 2:01:53.560 motherfucker taunted them and told them he knew where their 2:01:53.640 --> 2:01:56.080 children went to school and where their mothers lived and 2:01:56.120 --> 2:01:58.120 threatened to kill them and their families if they went 2:01:58.160 --> 2:02:00.720 to the police. And then, this is my favorite judge 2:02:00.760 --> 2:02:03.880 mcinty to Cleveland dot Com he said he was the 2:02:03.920 --> 2:02:07.280 devil's disciple. I've never met a person that evil. I 2:02:07.280 --> 2:02:10.040 don't know, Like these judges are getting poetic, Like, I 2:02:10.040 --> 2:02:14.000 don't know. These quotes are kind of fun. He also said, 2:02:14.040 --> 2:02:15.920 like it was really brave of these women to come 2:02:15.920 --> 2:02:18.480 forward with their names openly, despite it being a different 2:02:18.520 --> 2:02:21.320 set of norms, and in operation thirty years ago, it's 2:02:21.320 --> 2:02:23.839 the eighties, you could still legally rape your wife. 2:02:23.880 --> 2:02:24.080 You know. 2:02:24.840 --> 2:02:26.240 Yeah, maybe I was just horny. 2:02:26.280 --> 2:02:27.680 I don't know why I was like so obsessed with 2:02:27.680 --> 2:02:29.920 these judges quotes. I'm like reading them back being like, 2:02:30.000 --> 2:02:35.120 I guess they're fine, but whatever, No, and then if 2:02:35.120 --> 2:02:38.440 you want more information, the book like Jim Knaff published 2:02:38.440 --> 2:02:41.480 in nineteen ninety four called Unfinished Murder, The Capture of 2:02:41.520 --> 2:02:44.400 a Serial Rapist Gez Louis. 2:02:44.440 --> 2:02:47.320 I mean, there's also something so sick about like being 2:02:47.400 --> 2:02:49.240 like I'm just gonna rob you and like kind of 2:02:49.280 --> 2:02:51.880 getting people to like, calm down, well, it's not you. 2:02:52.120 --> 2:02:55.280 And it also was like to get them used to 2:02:55.320 --> 2:02:56.840 the violence and know that he was going to be 2:02:56.920 --> 2:03:00.920 violent because like they would, they would because he would. 2:03:00.960 --> 2:03:03.800 He would be violent, and then they would chill during 2:03:03.800 --> 2:03:06.160 the robbing and then he would go back, but they 2:03:07.080 --> 2:03:10.400 they were already scared. I guess that was like part 2:03:10.400 --> 2:03:11.440 of them too. 2:03:11.640 --> 2:03:13.360 But if you're just sitting there thinking, Okay, he's just 2:03:13.360 --> 2:03:15.280 gonna take my jewelry and then he's gonna get the 2:03:15.280 --> 2:03:17.640 fuck out of here, and then he does, like it's awful. 2:03:18.360 --> 2:03:22.839 I mean, it's all awful, but Jesus Christ, a wild 2:03:23.840 --> 2:03:28.280 double episode, wild crimes. Let's we don't have a guest today, 2:03:28.280 --> 2:03:35.400 so let's just jump right into the post mortem. Thank 2:03:35.440 --> 2:03:38.600 you for riding with us through a double episode. I 2:03:38.680 --> 2:03:41.240 try to recap as quick as my little brain can 2:03:41.280 --> 2:03:45.920 do it. And these episodes are so classic for me, 2:03:46.160 --> 2:03:48.960 Like I don't know, I mean, I wish we could 2:03:49.000 --> 2:03:50.200 have gotten Tracy Pollend, but. 2:03:50.840 --> 2:03:52.680 And it's just an old It's like. 2:03:54.280 --> 2:03:57.800 They really reiterate how damaging it is to be assaulted 2:03:57.920 --> 2:04:00.360 and the aftermath and all of that. But this one, 2:04:00.400 --> 2:04:05.320 it truly is like slowed down in such an impactful way. 2:04:05.360 --> 2:04:08.160 I would say, yeah, and like I like I was 2:04:08.160 --> 2:04:11.560 saying earlier, like sure, we've seen that from them now 2:04:11.600 --> 2:04:13.600 a few times, but this being like the first time. 2:04:13.600 --> 2:04:15.720 You're like, you guys really were so fucking ahead of 2:04:15.720 --> 2:04:18.480 your time in like two thousand, like doing you know 2:04:18.560 --> 2:04:22.120 episodes like that. So I and we got to see 2:04:22.120 --> 2:04:28.240 Benson in bed. Yeah, the beeper king fighting over a 2:04:28.280 --> 2:04:33.000 beeper in bed. It was amazing. What was I What 2:04:33.120 --> 2:04:37.600 was I gonna say? It's funny, like the guy we've had, 2:04:37.640 --> 2:04:40.640 there's so many guys on the show that are the rapists, 2:04:40.640 --> 2:04:42.760 and I'll look them up and they'll have had like 2:04:42.880 --> 2:04:45.360 long careers even if I don't know them from a 2:04:45.400 --> 2:04:47.920 lot of stuff. It's almost like the guy in this 2:04:48.000 --> 2:04:51.160 episode is like too Raypee looking like he's like because 2:04:51.200 --> 2:04:53.720 he stopped acting like it was like he probably was, 2:04:53.720 --> 2:04:55.640 like I just couldn't play a rapist again, like he 2:04:55.760 --> 2:04:59.440 this guy stopped acting like and he really is one 2:04:59.440 --> 2:05:01.440 of the work I think. I you know, what I 2:05:01.480 --> 2:05:06.640 sometimes conflate him with is the rapist from Behave because 2:05:06.640 --> 2:05:09.640 he's so cocky like that, like I'm never gonna get caught, 2:05:09.800 --> 2:05:13.400 like you know, like smirking at the at the cops 2:05:13.480 --> 2:05:15.920 and like this, and as victims and. 2:05:17.280 --> 2:05:19.320 We gotta get we gotta do Behave at some point. 2:05:19.440 --> 2:05:22.600 But I mean, that's what we're waiting There are some 2:05:22.640 --> 2:05:25.440 we're waiting out for. We're not doing that without Jennifer 2:05:25.480 --> 2:05:26.000 love Hewett. 2:05:26.040 --> 2:05:27.720 We are not. And did I want to know? I 2:05:27.760 --> 2:05:29.360 know what you did last summer? This week? I did 2:05:30.080 --> 2:05:32.920 you did original or the brand new? No? I watched 2:05:32.920 --> 2:05:34.680 the original? Oh I forgot about the new one. 2:05:35.040 --> 2:05:35.200 No. 2:05:35.320 --> 2:05:37.640 I was in the background while I did research for 2:05:37.680 --> 2:05:40.360 our podcasts. It's spooky season. 2:05:40.840 --> 2:05:43.600 Yeah, I think that the newest one my at least 2:05:43.600 --> 2:05:45.480 my brother in law told me it was kind of trash. 2:05:45.560 --> 2:05:48.440 So I don't know if I'm going to watch it. 2:05:48.480 --> 2:05:50.040 I mean, I've watched horror movies where it's like a 2:05:50.160 --> 2:05:52.560 killer sloth at a sorority house. I think it can 2:05:52.640 --> 2:05:55.120 like bad. I know what you did. 2:05:55.640 --> 2:05:57.640 That one really scared me. I know what you did 2:05:57.680 --> 2:05:59.240 last summer of the original, Like I saw it in 2:05:59.240 --> 2:06:01.760 the theater and like I was in high school and was, 2:06:01.800 --> 2:06:03.000 so did they clean all. 2:06:02.920 --> 2:06:07.600 Those crabs out so fast from the trunk? It's hard 2:06:07.600 --> 2:06:10.160 to move a dead body, like there are some you know. 2:06:10.800 --> 2:06:13.600 This is kind of my problem with like campy horror 2:06:13.640 --> 2:06:16.320 classics is I think about logistics too much, and I 2:06:16.360 --> 2:06:18.320 feel like that might be that's the virgo in me. 2:06:18.800 --> 2:06:21.000 I am like, how they do that and no one 2:06:21.040 --> 2:06:23.360 saw that, but like I'm always like thinking about that 2:06:23.440 --> 2:06:25.640 kind of crap, you know. Same when I'm watching for you, 2:06:25.720 --> 2:06:30.800 I'm trying to find holes, plot holes, baby, But I 2:06:30.880 --> 2:06:37.080 don't know. The post mortem takeaway from this episode is like, yeah, 2:06:37.280 --> 2:06:40.520 never say to a person, why didn't you go to 2:06:40.560 --> 2:06:43.720 the cops, Why didn't you report it? Like we just 2:06:43.800 --> 2:06:46.560 see time and time again. Like it's such a traumatic process. 2:06:46.600 --> 2:06:50.000 But I do think that getting justice, I mean, she 2:06:50.080 --> 2:06:52.000 got great justice. She got to shoot the guy fucking 2:06:52.040 --> 2:06:54.680 dead in this episode, but like, you know, I'm. 2:06:54.560 --> 2:06:55.640 Sure there's shoes. 2:06:55.680 --> 2:06:57.720 But it's also like thinking you've moved on when you 2:06:57.800 --> 2:07:00.640 haven't and just being frozen in time. And it's just like, 2:07:01.480 --> 2:07:05.880 I don't know with this, we're not even in the 2:07:05.920 --> 2:07:09.480 time machine, but like we do this while we're also 2:07:09.840 --> 2:07:13.440 recording like full episodes and you'll know what I'm talking about, 2:07:13.520 --> 2:07:17.320 but researching certain crimes, it's just like it's so sickening 2:07:17.360 --> 2:07:21.760 the idea of like ruining a man's future while ignoring 2:07:21.840 --> 2:07:25.360 that being a victim of this type of crime is forever. 2:07:26.080 --> 2:07:28.080 Yeah, the trauma is forever. 2:07:28.520 --> 2:07:31.000 And I don't know, like it just kills me that 2:07:31.040 --> 2:07:33.880 it's even a discussion that we have to like plead 2:07:33.960 --> 2:07:36.160 and beg and be like wait, wait, what about this 2:07:36.240 --> 2:07:37.120 woman's future. 2:07:38.160 --> 2:07:41.240 Yeah, we're we're literally about to record an episode where 2:07:41.280 --> 2:07:43.760 this is like fucking it's rue it. 2:07:44.600 --> 2:07:46.520 And we're worried if a guy is gonna be able 2:07:46.600 --> 2:07:50.280 to work again or not. I know, I'm so sick 2:07:50.320 --> 2:07:52.280 of it. I'm so sick. Oh my god, I saw 2:07:52.280 --> 2:07:55.280 the best fucking tweet or meme or whatever. I'm online 2:07:55.320 --> 2:07:57.120 twelve hours a day. I don't know what it was, 2:07:57.360 --> 2:08:01.240 but it's that's something like sexism towards men isn't true 2:08:01.240 --> 2:08:03.400 because it isn't real, because I've been trying to make 2:08:03.400 --> 2:08:04.840 it real for years. 2:08:07.120 --> 2:08:09.440 And I loved that where it's like, oh, I've been 2:08:09.480 --> 2:08:12.040 trying to ruin men's lives forever. It doesn't see it's 2:08:12.040 --> 2:08:13.880 not working. It's not working. 2:08:14.120 --> 2:08:17.240 Some of the worst guys we know are getting chance 2:08:17.320 --> 2:08:19.600 after a fucking chance, you know my god. 2:08:19.680 --> 2:08:21.160 One of them said, something is so weird to me. 2:08:21.360 --> 2:08:22.520 I can't, I can't. 2:08:22.560 --> 2:08:25.720 These pedophiles are running rampant, and it's like, Bro, I've 2:08:25.760 --> 2:08:28.160 been trying to avoid you, like my body language and 2:08:28.200 --> 2:08:29.880 the way I treat you has changed so much, Like 2:08:29.920 --> 2:08:32.520 you really need me to spell it out for you. 2:08:32.520 --> 2:08:33.400 You really need me to go. 2:08:33.480 --> 2:08:35.920 I'm uncomfortable with the rumors about you and the crimes 2:08:35.960 --> 2:08:37.840 you've committed, and I want you to stop fucking trying 2:08:37.840 --> 2:08:40.280 to talk to me, Like, is that what needs to happen? 2:08:40.560 --> 2:08:46.760 Me truly turning away, shrinking, being uncomfortable, not asking that 2:08:46.920 --> 2:08:49.400 none of that is and. 2:08:49.280 --> 2:08:54.120 It's so it's so it's weird because it's like you'd 2:08:54.120 --> 2:08:56.560 think that these guys would be like, oh, fuck the haters, 2:08:56.560 --> 2:08:59.080 but they do try to get everyone to like them, 2:09:00.160 --> 2:09:02.040 especially the ones that don't. 2:09:02.560 --> 2:09:04.560 They dig in and. 2:09:04.560 --> 2:09:07.280 You know, everyone's still talking about the Saudi Arabia festival. 2:09:07.480 --> 2:09:08.120 Oh my god. 2:09:08.200 --> 2:09:11.200 Well, you know we did get like one comment where 2:09:11.200 --> 2:09:14.640 people were like, the and you okay, so Lisa did 2:09:14.680 --> 2:09:16.120 this show that I threw in New York. We were 2:09:16.160 --> 2:09:18.440 all talking about this backstage, and we were talking about 2:09:18.440 --> 2:09:21.360 it with like Josh Sharp and Jay Jorden, and people 2:09:21.400 --> 2:09:23.880 are like, the US is bad too. Don't act like 2:09:23.880 --> 2:09:26.840 our government's not doing horrible shit. A. We know, we 2:09:26.880 --> 2:09:29.680 talk about it all the fucking time. B Neither of 2:09:29.760 --> 2:09:32.800 us is performing at the behest of Donald Trump. Like, 2:09:32.960 --> 2:09:35.720 it's not the same thing to perform stand up. It's 2:09:35.720 --> 2:09:37.520 not like they went to some mom and pop club 2:09:37.560 --> 2:09:40.879 in Saudi Arabia. They went and performed for the government 2:09:41.000 --> 2:09:44.200 that's who paid them. The same money that pays the 2:09:44.280 --> 2:09:48.080 people who murder and chop up journalists is paying them. 2:09:48.480 --> 2:09:50.680 And you guys are acting like it's the same thing 2:09:50.840 --> 2:09:52.800 to like go up at the at the at an 2:09:52.800 --> 2:09:54.919 improv in America. 2:09:55.000 --> 2:09:55.960 It's not the same thing. 2:09:56.080 --> 2:10:00.640 Yeah, it's cliff Tony Hinchcliffe performed at a Republican and 2:10:00.680 --> 2:10:03.240 we hate him and I judge him and I think 2:10:03.360 --> 2:10:05.240 less of him, and I didn't even think much of 2:10:05.360 --> 2:10:08.760 him to begin with. So it's like you're not catching 2:10:08.840 --> 2:10:11.240 anything that you're trying to catch, and stop trying to 2:10:11.280 --> 2:10:14.560 like this is our industry. But yeah, doing a show 2:10:14.680 --> 2:10:18.720 for people, it's a detailed matter. The government who is 2:10:18.800 --> 2:10:21.200 signing your check does matter. Yeah, and if I found 2:10:21.240 --> 2:10:24.760 out someone was performing for ICE or our president, yeah, 2:10:24.760 --> 2:10:27.320 I would not fuck with them. I would judge them, 2:10:27.800 --> 2:10:30.040 and and I made it clear on this I could. 2:10:30.120 --> 2:10:32.480 I will probably do more on ethical things, Like we're 2:10:32.520 --> 2:10:36.000 all trying to figure shit out. I don't love everything 2:10:36.040 --> 2:10:38.360 I do, and people can choose what they want to do. 2:10:38.560 --> 2:10:42.960 But thee so it's a testing because it's not even real. 2:10:43.000 --> 2:10:44.960 It's like you're so dumb you don't even see you're 2:10:44.960 --> 2:10:46.800 not even making the point you think you're making. 2:10:47.320 --> 2:10:50.040 Yeah, that like I saw a video that I know 2:10:50.160 --> 2:10:51.879 you saw because I saw. 2:10:51.720 --> 2:10:52.360 You liked it. 2:10:52.720 --> 2:10:55.400 That was like, you know, talking about Taylor's consumerism and 2:10:55.400 --> 2:10:57.680 someone's like girl while you're drinking a diet coke and 2:10:57.680 --> 2:11:00.880 it's like, what was she supposed to stand like naked 2:11:01.080 --> 2:11:03.160 in front of a brick wall while she makes this 2:11:03.200 --> 2:11:05.680 thing like yes, we're all consuming. No one is saying 2:11:05.720 --> 2:11:09.080 stop consuming things like it's just like I don't know. 2:11:09.120 --> 2:11:11.560 Everybody's what about? What about? All the time. It's driving 2:11:11.600 --> 2:11:12.120 me crazy. 2:11:13.240 --> 2:11:16.720 Yeah, but you went and did a show for people 2:11:16.800 --> 2:11:17.879 that did nine to eleven. 2:11:18.160 --> 2:11:19.360 I'm gonna have an issue. 2:11:19.680 --> 2:11:22.000 And I think it's different than if you did a 2:11:22.120 --> 2:11:24.680 show for like, I don't know, if you went to 2:11:24.800 --> 2:11:26.560 Kentucky and performed I don't. 2:11:26.400 --> 2:11:29.560 Know, right, like a red state. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, don't 2:11:29.560 --> 2:11:32.240 agree with their government. Still the government is. But also 2:11:32.120 --> 2:11:34.600 were the people allowed? Were women allowed to come watch 2:11:34.720 --> 2:11:36.880 this show? Are gay people even allowed to live there? 2:11:36.920 --> 2:11:37.000 Like? 2:11:37.040 --> 2:11:40.240 What are we even talking about? I was at that 2:11:40.280 --> 2:11:42.600 show though. Any video from that show it's half empty. 2:11:43.040 --> 2:11:45.560 I did not see one arena. 2:11:45.440 --> 2:11:45.960 Any video. 2:11:46.000 --> 2:11:48.680 I figured phones would have been massively confiscated and they'd 2:11:48.680 --> 2:11:49.840 be like, what are you talking about? 2:11:49.960 --> 2:11:51.240 It's propaganda videos. 2:11:51.240 --> 2:11:53.520 They're like they're truly making videos of Like I had 2:11:53.560 --> 2:11:55.680 so much fun in Saudi Arabia. I can't believe I 2:11:55.680 --> 2:11:58.240 didn't want to go sooner, Like they're making videos doing 2:11:58.240 --> 2:12:01.320 the customs being like we were treated so oh well. 2:12:01.080 --> 2:12:03.040 Oh no oh no. But I mean like footage of 2:12:03.080 --> 2:12:03.720 the show like. 2:12:03.680 --> 2:12:05.920 And it's like, yeah, it's like, uh, it's like one 2:12:05.920 --> 2:12:08.040 of the comics walking out and you look out into 2:12:08.080 --> 2:12:11.480 the venue and like more empty seats than filled seats. 2:12:11.960 --> 2:12:15.760 WHOA embarrassing. Well, it's also embarrassing. 2:12:15.960 --> 2:12:19.120 And it's also and what we were saying was it's 2:12:19.120 --> 2:12:20.880 like it's it's fine, do whatever you want. 2:12:20.920 --> 2:12:22.360 But Bill Burr, shut your mouth. 2:12:22.960 --> 2:12:25.440 Yeah, you know, three years ago on your podcast there's 2:12:25.720 --> 2:12:29.320 you're talking shit about celebrities doing gigs over there, and 2:12:29.360 --> 2:12:31.160 now you're doing it and on your podcast talking about 2:12:31.160 --> 2:12:33.240 how great it was. It's fine, do whatever you want. 2:12:33.240 --> 2:12:35.720 We're all hypocrite. It's like watch my Netflix special. I 2:12:35.720 --> 2:12:40.080 do a joke about this, but like then I don't 2:12:40.080 --> 2:12:41.280 want to hear what you have to say. 2:12:41.480 --> 2:12:44.000 But that's the funny thing too, is like he was 2:12:44.080 --> 2:12:46.520 kind of kind of trying to spin it like but 2:12:46.560 --> 2:12:49.480 I was performing, performing for the regular people of Saudi Arabia. 2:12:49.520 --> 2:12:51.760 It's like, is that who was coming were the regular 2:12:51.800 --> 2:12:54.320 people of Saudi Arabia coming like I feel like it's 2:12:54.440 --> 2:12:55.960 the only people that were at these shows were like 2:12:56.000 --> 2:12:58.960 connected to the government, like right, like elites like right. 2:12:59.040 --> 2:13:00.920 It's not fair to other people at I mean, I 2:13:00.960 --> 2:13:01.680 have no idea. 2:13:01.960 --> 2:13:05.560 I know one of the most famous comics, her wife 2:13:05.640 --> 2:13:07.760 was disappeared because she drove a car I don't know. 2:13:07.960 --> 2:13:10.560 And yeah, and I heard that that he's back and 2:13:10.600 --> 2:13:14.280 she's still missing. He got disappeared and so did his wife. 2:13:14.360 --> 2:13:18.040 And he's listen, I'm meeting up with lots of people. 2:13:18.200 --> 2:13:20.440 Go you wouldn't go. That's what I keep I interacted 2:13:20.520 --> 2:13:22.200 with a few other people that went to somebody saying 2:13:22.280 --> 2:13:24.240 that same to me, what's your price? What's your price 2:13:24.240 --> 2:13:26.760 for the rial comedy? Fives? But enough money. 2:13:26.800 --> 2:13:31.040 It's not even hypothetical the idea of like, well, you wouldn't. 2:13:31.320 --> 2:13:34.200 There are people who declined it. There are dozens of 2:13:34.240 --> 2:13:36.960 people who declined it. It's not some hypothetical thing of 2:13:37.200 --> 2:13:39.800 who can say no or not. Stop saying you would 2:13:39.800 --> 2:13:41.480 do it when there are you would do it. 2:13:41.560 --> 2:13:42.040 You wouldn't. 2:13:42.440 --> 2:13:44.600 But there are people who said no. So there are 2:13:44.640 --> 2:13:47.720 people who were who didn't take the money, who were 2:13:47.720 --> 2:13:50.840 offered it. So stop acting like it's this thing that 2:13:51.000 --> 2:13:54.200 no one could say no to when people already. 2:13:53.800 --> 2:13:54.640 Did say no to it. 2:13:54.760 --> 2:13:57.760 Yeah, people are like, it's life changing money. I'm like, 2:13:57.840 --> 2:13:59.960 I don't know half of it's going to taxes and agents. 2:14:00.040 --> 2:14:02.480 It's not life is And if you decide you want 2:14:02.480 --> 2:14:03.960 to do it, fucking do it. 2:14:04.040 --> 2:14:05.600 You know what I mean. I did a show with 2:14:05.680 --> 2:14:07.640 Louis c K. I knew he took his dick out. 2:14:07.840 --> 2:14:10.360 I don't know, Like we're all of what's going on, 2:14:11.000 --> 2:14:13.800 and I don't think I'm more or less ethical or 2:14:13.840 --> 2:14:15.720 moral than these people. But I'm allowed to judge you 2:14:15.720 --> 2:14:17.120 over the fuck I want and be a guy or 2:14:17.160 --> 2:14:17.680 whatever I want. 2:14:17.760 --> 2:14:20.760 Paul he fracks, I mean, come on, we can't be perfect, 2:14:20.840 --> 2:14:22.560 but we're trying our best and we're not going to read. 2:14:22.720 --> 2:14:25.080 For me, it's not even about any ethics. 2:14:25.120 --> 2:14:27.560 To me, I would not feel safe, and my life 2:14:27.880 --> 2:14:30.240 is worth more than my parents grieving for my death. 2:14:30.280 --> 2:14:30.680 I don't care. 2:14:30.720 --> 2:14:32.640 Yeah I would, I would. I would not go for safety, 2:14:32.720 --> 2:14:34.960 yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I would be scared. So I 2:14:35.000 --> 2:14:37.120 don't care if it's a million dollars. 2:14:37.160 --> 2:14:39.040 And I'm sorry these people were making less, but I 2:14:39.080 --> 2:14:42.520 also don't dream of extreme wealth that's not the life 2:14:42.560 --> 2:14:42.920 I live. 2:14:43.600 --> 2:14:44.440 What are we talking about? 2:14:44.440 --> 2:14:46.720 We just want enough to go on the fucking below 2:14:46.800 --> 2:14:49.840 deck yacht. That's not that's not that extreme, Like we 2:14:50.080 --> 2:14:53.320 just want that. I get ice, coffees, I don't drive. 2:14:53.680 --> 2:14:55.240 I don't know. I buy weed and. 2:14:55.280 --> 2:14:58.160 Trinkets like get me Like, I don't give a fuck 2:14:58.720 --> 2:15:00.520 one dude that way. I was like, well, my wife said, 2:15:00.560 --> 2:15:03.000 we'll pay for the wedding. It's like, okay, I don't 2:15:03.000 --> 2:15:05.120 know why you think that's a necessity of life, but 2:15:05.200 --> 2:15:06.600 sure go have a giant wedding. 2:15:06.920 --> 2:15:09.840 Yeah, you're already that extreme wealth though. 2:15:09.840 --> 2:15:11.960 I feel like you'd have a driver, you'd be like Seema, 2:15:12.360 --> 2:15:16.800 you'd have a driver, a cool little around the city. 2:15:17.560 --> 2:15:19.880 To be wealthy, and I make lots of choices not 2:15:19.960 --> 2:15:20.800 to be I don't know. 2:15:21.440 --> 2:15:25.000 Yeah, okay, So what would sister Peg do? Our weekly 2:15:25.040 --> 2:15:27.200 segment where we try to help make the world a 2:15:27.240 --> 2:15:31.400 little bit better and direct you to an organization, a 2:15:31.480 --> 2:15:33.960 doc something to give you more information about what we 2:15:34.000 --> 2:15:36.400 talked about in today's episode, but also a lot of 2:15:36.480 --> 2:15:41.480 times organizations that are trying to help victims, marginalized communities. 2:15:40.960 --> 2:15:41.440 Et cetera. 2:15:41.520 --> 2:15:45.200 And today listen, we're pointing you to an old standby. 2:15:45.240 --> 2:15:47.560 We've pointed you to them before, but it's RAIN. It's 2:15:47.600 --> 2:15:50.320 the Rape Abuse and Incest National Network. They are the 2:15:50.440 --> 2:15:54.240 nation's largest anti sexual violence organization and operator of the 2:15:54.320 --> 2:15:58.000 National Sexual Assault Hotline. I truly believe in supporting them. 2:15:58.320 --> 2:16:00.440 I have no idea if they get government subsidy at all, 2:16:00.440 --> 2:16:01.840 but I'm sure they're on there. If they do, they're 2:16:01.840 --> 2:16:05.040 on their way to going away. So support that organization 2:16:05.120 --> 2:16:06.960 as much as you can. We've called them out before, 2:16:07.000 --> 2:16:09.280 and this episode just seemed like it called for it again. 2:16:09.960 --> 2:16:12.920 Rain's mission is to stop sexual violence by supporting survivors, 2:16:13.160 --> 2:16:17.040 holding perpetrators accountable, and creating safer communities. So for more 2:16:17.120 --> 2:16:19.840 info and to donate, you can go to RAIN dot org. 2:16:19.920 --> 2:16:22.800 That's our AI n N dot org. 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