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Speaker 4: My name is ty Hildenbrandt, joining me as always over

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Speaker 4: there in the heart of the Midwest, Chicago, Illinois, Dan Rubinstein,

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Speaker 4: the team in your vector, Dan, goodness of vector, thank you.

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Speaker 1: About to have a new quarterback.

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Speaker 4: Kleb Williams, presumably the number one overall pick in the

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Speaker 4: episode today. It is the next in a series of

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Speaker 4: we've done, sort of the College Football Fans Guide to

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Speaker 2: Always, always excited for Nate, and I think can I

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Speaker 2: Like, I think they both come across as super likable

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Speaker 2: The reason for the season. Is it depth and quarterback?

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about the first position group you

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Speaker 1: The Bears have not been a good organization. They just

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Speaker 4: So with all that said, you still have Drake May

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Speaker 4: know it. Yeah, Phil how has your thinking evolved around

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Speaker 4: Drake May.

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Speaker 3: I still feel really good about him. I actually I

436
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Speaker 3: liked him more because of what they put on his plate.

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Speaker 3: It's been funny for me that people have brought up

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Speaker 3: the NC State game, the Cleanson games. I think Virginia

439
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Speaker 3: was another one, and I go and watch those and

440
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Speaker 3: there's a lot of positives to draw from what May

441
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Speaker 3: had to do. One did anyone watch North Carolina this year? Guessing?

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Speaker 3: Not because it was awful? It was really awful offense,

443
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Speaker 3: awful personnel, Like, it's not good, it's just not good.

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Speaker 3: So watching him going through those games, he in the NFL,

445
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Speaker 3: you're going to be more even that weekend week out

446
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Speaker 3: or at disadvantage. You're going to have guys hurt, You're

447
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Speaker 3: going to have a rookie playing against an all pro.

448
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Speaker 3: It's just how it's going to go. So that's what

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Speaker 3: made me more excited watching him. That's like he's putting

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Speaker 3: the team on his back every play and having to operate.

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Speaker 3: But also the mental side, I think they added to him,

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Speaker 3: and that's what was encouraging for me. They didn't try

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Speaker 3: and make it simple as far as pre snap operation.

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Speaker 3: Even if it was a simple offense. They gave him

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Speaker 3: full controls for protections and this is just me watching it.

456
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Speaker 3: I didn't ask anybody. I could just kind of see

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Speaker 3: how the operation goes because there's no looking at the

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Speaker 3: sideline like you see in college and any of those

459
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Speaker 3: types of things. That's good. That's a really good sign

460
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Speaker 3: that a retort sophomore is getting full control pre snap.

461
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Speaker 3: Not a lot of guys get that, so that's maybe excited.

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Speaker 3: The one thing I had a negative with him last

463
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Speaker 3: year or going into last year was he would do

464
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Speaker 3: the Madden drop a little too much, which is working

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Speaker 3: back in the pocket trying to find a throw, and

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Speaker 3: it took some bad sacks. He got a little better

467
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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty two. I would say he improved on

468
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Speaker 3: that a lot in twenty twenty three. Still has room

469
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Speaker 3: to room to go and room to grow in there

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Speaker 3: and get better in that. And I think there's been

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Speaker 3: some people that have overharped and have kind of really

472
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Speaker 3: knocked him for some of them. How he moves in

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Speaker 3: the pocket, that's what they do in that offense. You

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Speaker 3: can't grade him off West Coast for work timing if

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Speaker 3: he's not in a West Coast Bill Walsha offense, and

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Speaker 3: I feel like I go insane like trying to explain

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Speaker 3: that to people. It's like, you're greating the traits and

478
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Speaker 3: then what do you can project to do? I love him,

479
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Speaker 3: I really do. I've kind of have high praise on him.

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Speaker 3: I view Caleb in him as one A one B

481
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Speaker 3: or May as one A, Caleb as one B, and

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Speaker 3: I would put them up there with Trevor as my

483
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Speaker 3: highest graded quarterbacks I've watched since twenty fourteen for different ways,

484
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Speaker 3: but as far as size, athlesism, creativity, aggressiveness, and I

485
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Speaker 3: think the smarts that he indicates and from what I've

486
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Speaker 3: heard through the grapevine just the Offield stuff is awesome too. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm still all in on it. I I've actually been

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Speaker 3: shocked people have fallen off. I'm like, really, you're okay.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't feel like people have mentioned him enough at all.

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Speaker 3: And that's my theory is that we're getting into the

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Speaker 3: bad pick up artists negging where they're like yeah, yeah,

492
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Speaker 3: oh oh yeah, yeah, you know, but really that's the guy. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: And because that's what happened to Stroud last year and

494
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Speaker 3: he ends up going to no one talked about Stroud.

495
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Speaker 3: The only thing we heard about Stroud for two months

496
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Speaker 3: was that's two testing, and it was like, I remember

497
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Speaker 3: just being like, really, you guys hate him this much?

498
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Speaker 3: I think it's pretty great and it kind of gaslights

499
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Speaker 3: a little bit. And I feel like the John Travoltam

500
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Speaker 3: in pulp fiction where I'm like, hm, really like this.

501
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Speaker 3: I'm the only one. Know, I'm not the only one.

502
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Speaker 3: There's others I like him, but it's it's yeah, I

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Speaker 3: I I think these two Calevi and may Are, I

504
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Speaker 3: think they're a tier above the other guys pretty easily so.

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Speaker 3: And but I just think they're have all pro caliber traits. Obviously,

506
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Speaker 3: that's it's all threat. I mean, it's all bets you're making.

507
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Speaker 3: So but these guys have I look at a star

508
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Speaker 3: starter bench bust for prospects. These guys have a big

509
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Speaker 3: star chunk. I'm not saying one hundred percent, I'm saying

510
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Speaker 3: like twenty percent. But I think they also have bigger

511
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Speaker 3: starter chunks, you know, sixty percent, and less bust chunks

512
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Speaker 3: than people are making them out to be. And that's

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Speaker 3: that's where I think there's some disconnect for me.

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Speaker 4: So I have to ask this question Nate and for

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Speaker 4: folks who listen to this show. You know, I've sort

516
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Speaker 4: of been teasing this for a while. I am a

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Speaker 4: Giants fan full disclosure for the last three months. I

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Speaker 4: want to say, Dan, just amongst friends, not so much

519
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Speaker 4: on the podcast, I have basically been the president of

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Speaker 4: the Jaden Daniels fan club. In the way that you

521
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Speaker 4: love Drake may I sort of love Jayden Daniels. So

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Speaker 4: believe me when I tell you this, Nate. I saw

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Speaker 4: a recent comment of yours comparing him to Daniel Jones,

524
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Speaker 4: and it knocked me off my chair. I'm sorry and

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Speaker 4: Autumn grown, my wife yelled to me. Is everything okay

526
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Speaker 4: down there? Not?

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Speaker 1: Really? Not really?

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Speaker 4: What am I supposed to do with that information? Is

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Speaker 4: that to say that the ceiling for Jayden Daniels is

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Speaker 4: Daniel Jones? Is it just a rough point of comparison.

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Speaker 4: How do you see Jaden Daniels evolving in the NFL

532
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Speaker 4: once he gets there? What does his ceiling look like

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Speaker 4: to you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a rough point in comparison. It's a thank you.

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Speaker 3: Even the Kleb discussion where I just mentioned the guys

536
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Speaker 3: that we're justin fields, the archetype that he plays like

537
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Speaker 3: the Russells, Jalen Hurts and Daniel Jones. That's Jane Daniels.

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Speaker 3: Jane Daniels has the same statistical profile, playing styles. Those

539
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Speaker 3: guys different ways, of course. Jalen Hurts wants a bull

540
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Speaker 3: guy over Russell Wilson wants to run around a bunch.

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Speaker 3: Jane Daleds wants to run sprint right by. Daniel Jones

542
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Speaker 3: does whatever he does. It's but these guys all they

543
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Speaker 3: struggle to throw a timing over the middle and anticipate

544
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Speaker 3: over the middle. And again you can win that way,

545
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Speaker 3: but you have to be exceptional in other areas. And

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Speaker 3: this is where some of my concerns with Daniels is

547
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Speaker 3: where my high end comp which I think is fairly realistic,

548
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Speaker 3: is that he's a fast teddy Bridge drawer Teddy Bridgewater.

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Speaker 3: And I mean that as a compliment because of his accuracy,

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Speaker 3: because I think of his understanding of the offense. I

551
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Speaker 3: also think of because you know, he also has wheels

552
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Speaker 3: and some decent pocket movement as well and understanding, but

553
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Speaker 3: also the size. They have similar size, similar builds, which

554
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Speaker 3: I'll talk about too as a negative in the SEC.

555
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Speaker 3: But with Daniels, why I consider him, I have him

556
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Speaker 3: I think twentieth on my big board, and I feel

557
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 3: but quarterbacks get inflated. So if I'm twentieth on my

558
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 3: big board and he goes top ten, that's how it goes.

559
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 3: That's the NFL, and that's football. But for me, when

560
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Speaker 3: I'm watching him, is just there are concerns with not

561
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Speaker 3: only just that he was a weight more of a

562
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Speaker 3: late bloomer. Even if I did like him at Arizona

563
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Speaker 3: State more than others, it was kind of like I

564
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Speaker 3: forgot about not Forgotbombo. I was like, oh, he's a

565
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Speaker 3: Day three guy. I'm accepting last year. He blows up

566
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Speaker 3: good offense and everything. Guys blow up all the time

567
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Speaker 3: like that. But how he wins is a lot of

568
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 3: one and done kind of reads. And I'm not saying

569
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Speaker 3: that because he's not intelligent. I'm saying it's because that's

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Speaker 3: how he wants to play. One. I'm not moving in

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Speaker 3: the pocket to throw like May and Williams. They move

572
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Speaker 3: in the pocket to find a throw. Dano's moves in

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Speaker 3: the pocket to run. That is fine. This is where

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Speaker 3: the weight comes in, and this is where lack of

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Speaker 3: creativity comes in. If you're going to be a one

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Speaker 3: and done read guy or make it. Kind of a

577
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Speaker 3: simple thrower and a simple runner. He's just not creative.

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Speaker 3: That's where the Lamar comparisons are crazy. To me. Mar

579
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Speaker 3: doesn't take hits. Lamar jups guys. The Mar gets out

580
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Speaker 3: of bounds. Lamar's comparison is Wayne fricking Gretzky like that,

581
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Speaker 3: that's his comparison. Daniels though, doesn't have that. He takes shots.

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Speaker 3: He kind of when he goes to when he gets

583
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Speaker 3: moved off his spot, he looks to scramble more often

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Speaker 3: than not. He's looking to run. And again in college

585
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Speaker 3: that's great NFL, that's just hard to win. You could

586
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Speaker 3: do it, but it's just hard. And this is where

587
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 3: his size comes in. If he's subbed to ten, which

588
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Speaker 3: I think he's more sub two hundred than to what

589
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Speaker 3: do you wait at the combine. There's not a lot

590
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Speaker 3: of guys that not only just succeeded, but even started

591
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Speaker 3: full seasons at sub two oh five. So let's say

592
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 3: he weighs two o five. There's only two guys since

593
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 3: the year two thousand that have had successful seasons at quarterback,

594
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Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins and Jeff Garcia. So you're betting on a

595
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Speaker 3: size outlier with red alerts about throwing over the middle,

596
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Speaker 3: with red alerts about scrambling over too much, and I

597
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 3: still like them. It's just that those way in my

598
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 3: head because this is the same stuff that Feels went through.

599
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 3: He didn't. It's hard. You don't. Guys don't get better

600
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 3: thrown over the middle in the NFL. They just don't.

601
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Speaker 3: They get worse. So that's why if you don't do

602
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 3: this already, I get a little scared about it. And

603
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 3: he has that for me.

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Speaker 2: There's an interesting dividing line between those top three quarterbacks

605
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Speaker 2: and the next three quarterbacks in that LSU, USC and

606
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Speaker 2: North Carolina had elements of their teams last year that

607
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 2: were catastrophically bad. You mentioned what it was with North Carolina.

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Speaker 2: Obviously USC's defense and LSU's defense, and so those quarterbacks,

609
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Speaker 2: and I remember hearing I think it was Dan Orlovsky

610
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 2: talk about it with Kayleb Williams was like he was

611
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 2: asked to do everything, and so when he felt like

612
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 2: he needed to score fifty a game to win a

613
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 2: game for USC, that changes the natural rhythm of playing

614
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 2: the position. You go to the next three. JJ McCarthy

615
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,719
Speaker 2: has an incredible defense has a very good offensive line,

616
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Speaker 2: a team built around the runs, so he is not

617
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Speaker 2: asked to score forty five points through the air for

618
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Speaker 2: his team. Same goes for bow Knicks on a balance,

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Speaker 2: good team, good receivers, good offensive line, very strong running game,

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Speaker 2: And same goes for Michael Pennix. That nothing was catastrophically bad,

621
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Speaker 2: but he was advantage and he had the receivers, he

622
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 2: had the line, and the defense was fine. But he

623
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 2: didn't need to score fifty sixty points a game. Is

624
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 2: that part of your evaluation? Is that something that you

625
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 2: have to adjust for? As you were thinking about quarterbacks

626
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 2: and that they couldn't always play within a desired rhythm?

627
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Speaker 2: And do you knock it for somebody like bow Nicks,

628
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Speaker 2: who had all the time in the world, had open receivers.

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Speaker 2: How do you evaluate situationally in college?

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Speaker 3: No, that's a great question. I think that's what everyone

631
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 3: struggles to do. I think for me, I think there's

632
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:12,959
Speaker 3: a policy that people I don't even know if I'm

633
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 3: saying that right, that people are fall into that they

634
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 3: have to watch every play and translate every play. I think,

635
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 3: you know, it's not seventy plays or sixty plays I'm

636
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Speaker 3: watching of a quarterback throw the ball in a game,

637
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Speaker 3: or say forty plays that he's throwing the ball running

638
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 3: the ball's say twelve translate to the NFL. For me,

639
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 3: it's harping on what happened on those twelve that I

640
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 3: truly can translate to the NFL. I have, of course,

641
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 3: like because of my background, I have some leg ups

642
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 3: that I can go like, Okay, they're trying to accomplish this.

643
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 3: They're okay, this is why you have to do that.

644
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 3: But also you get into the can't or won't situation.

645
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 3: Sometimes we play calling, is are they calling that play

646
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 3: because he can't do it? Or they just won't do it,

647
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 3: Like the coaches won't call it some college coaches, and

648
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 3: I'll knock them as I'm sure it's so much fun

649
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 3: to do. Yeah, it drops me. I love doing it,

650
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 3: so yeah, I watch them. They're not all complete idiots.

651
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 3: And sometimes when they people will call play and go like,

652
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 3: well they just keep calling the same plane. It's like, well,

653
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 3: maybe that's all the quarterback can handle, and or maybe

654
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 3: that's why this guy can handle and that's why they

655
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 3: call that. But then sometimes I know something about a

656
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 3: coach I go, oh no, no, that coach is an idiot. Yeah,

657
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 3: you're right, it will be much better. So that's why

658
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 3: it's it is hard to translate it. Also, it's the

659
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 3: process of everything. So much of football is process based.

660
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 3: I think a lot of life is, and a lot

661
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 3: of people look at results. I even see highlights of

662
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 3: guys where are like, look at this throat and he's

663
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 3: thrown to a wide open guy on a whole shot

664
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 3: in a clean pocket, and it's like, yeah, that's cool throw.

665
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 3: But it's like, that's not what I'm looking at when

666
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 3: I'm grading a guy or translating a guy. So, okay,

667
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 3: if this guy Jane Daniels, some of the throws I've

668
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 3: seen highlighted as one of his good throws I consider

669
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 3: a negative because he was taking two extra hitches before

670
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 3: he threw it, and that it's just all how he translated.

671
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 3: So I know this is not like a clean answer

672
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 3: on this, but it's just how the process that they

673
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 3: got to that point. Does that work? Like does that

674
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 3: make sense? So I don't always want to knock Danos

675
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 3: because he throws it to Brian Thomas and freaking Malik Neighbors.

676
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 3: That's not his fault, right, But if he's throwing that

677
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 3: stop route to Brian Thomas, where did he put the ball? Yes,

678
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 3: Brian Thomas is gonna make things easier. But was the

679
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 3: process to get it there pretty good? Was the footwork good?

680
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 3: Was the the ball placement pretty good? Was the timing good?

681
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 3: All the process to that point? Because I mean, shoot,

682
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 3: there's been Joe Burrow highlights shared for years and it's

683
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 3: just him thrown up to guys who are dunking on them.

684
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 3: It's like, I'm not trying to be mean here, It's

685
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 3: like I could do that, but cool. The cool Burrow

686
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 3: plays are like the twelve yard gains, this fourteen yard plays,

687
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 3: the eight yard gains where he's doing all the mental

688
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 3: stuff and the accuracy and stuff throws right, Yes, and

689
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 3: then that's what exactly. So so a lot of the

690
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 3: highlights kind of get overrated, which is it's highlights. I

691
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 3: get that. So there's so much more in the minutia

692
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 3: that I think gets that I try to translate. So

693
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 3: when I'm grating these guys sometimes yes, you have to

694
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 3: keep the situation in there and everything, but also it's

695
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 3: just leading up to win those other guys takeover. I

696
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,959
Speaker 3: will say. The pocket stuff is real, like that is

697
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 3: a guy like Pennix at Washington who had a perfect

698
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 3: pocket like every snap. That is where I get some

699
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 3: worries because then it's like, Okay, there's only five plays

700
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 3: that feel more like an NFL pocket. So it's just

701
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 3: the denominator changes based on these situations.

702
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 2: How do you evaluate Bonix and JJ McCarthy under that

703
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 2: same rubric in terms of pockets, in terms of like

704
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 2: the ninth best highlight throws per game? What is it

705
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 2: that separates those three from those first three?

706
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 3: Well, what McCarthy, It's like the ninth best throw took

707
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 3: me about ten games to get to. That's all we

708
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 3: got to. It's but that's what I think. In Dane Brugler,

709
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 3: who I do the show with Prospects of Pros, he's

710
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 3: the athletics draft expert. Is awesome. He kind of said

711
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 3: this throughout the year. He's like, people are gonna love McCarthy.

712
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 3: He's like, coaches are gonna love him, They're gonna love him.

713
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,479
Speaker 3: And I was like, yeah, I know, but I don't know, man,

714
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 3: They're barely thrown with them and I'm watching all these games.

715
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 3: I'm like, all right, there's one good throw there. He

716
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 3: Dan was usually right, and he was right here. He

717
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 3: grows on you when you watch him, because it's all

718
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 3: he might throw only eight throws. All eight translate, you know,

719
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,240
Speaker 3: all eight, all the eight operations translate to the NFL.

720
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 3: I should say McCarthy is him and Daniels. He has

721
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 3: the same size concerns for me as Daniels does, but

722
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 3: he's younger, so we can get to that. But he's

723
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 3: almost the opposite of Daniels. He is willing to whip

724
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 3: that ball over the middle. He's willing to throw the

725
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 3: ball on the move. He's a good thrower on the move.

726
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 3: Can't go left though, he's got a Zoolander thing to him.

727
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 3: He can't scramble left, and he can't throw left. He's

728
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 3: it's weird. It's weird. It's he's got some mechanical stuff

729
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 3: where he tries to overstride, but it's even when he

730
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 3: tries to break contain from the pocket, he always goes right.

731
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 3: It's Jalen Hurts is the same way too. But that's

732
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 3: kind of funny. But watching that, if you told me

733
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 3: in January that I have McCarthy and Daniels close out

734
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 3: of laught, But as this process has gone on, I

735
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 3: watch more and more, they kind of got closer and closer.

736
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 3: On my big board, I still have as a QB three,

737
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 3: but McCarthy's game just kind of you can project it

738
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 3: a little bit more. I do think people are going

739
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 3: a little crazy with him, and we're going like he's

740
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 3: the mystery box. You can kind of just fill him

741
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 3: however you want to fill him in. I'm trying to

742
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,280
Speaker 3: be very realistic that I see his game, his upside.

743
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 3: I think his high high end upside is like Kirk

744
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 3: Cousins that can move a little bit but pretty good.

745
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 3: But kirkwin the fourth for a reason and not top five,

746
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 3: and so that is that's where I struggle. I understand

747
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 3: taking him on a good team at pick twenty or

748
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 3: pick eighteen, pick sixteen, something like that. Top five for

749
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 3: me is a little rich to take him because of

750
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 3: the size stuff, because of what he's asked to do,

751
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 3: because the lack of experience and all those types of things.

752
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 3: Nix Nix I struggle with because I appreciate the accuracy

753
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 3: and I appreciate he knows what to do. I thought

754
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 3: Oregon had some big training wheels for him on offense

755
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,720
Speaker 3: this year. As far as he's good at these three things.

756
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 3: We're not asking to do anything else, which is good

757
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 3: and bad. But he's a fifth year guy with a

758
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 3: lot of starts and they're making him do that. That's

759
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 3: a little bit of a warning sign for me, like, Okay,

760
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 3: well they're not letting you push the ball much. Even

761
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 3: though he has a good arm, They're making him kind

762
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 3: of be a nickel and dime guy. I view him

763
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 3: as like a round three guy. I've kind of compared

764
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 3: him like a high end Taylor Heineke, where I think

765
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 3: of him as a real, real good backup. Then maybe

766
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 3: has a chance to be like a solid starter in

767
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 3: the right situation. But I've hesitancies with him because of

768
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 3: just some of the lack of pushing the ball. He's

769
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 3: another guy doesn't throw over the middle with those types

770
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 3: of things.

771
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 2: Fair enough.

772
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 3: Is there another guy you threw in there?

773
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 2: Penix?

774
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 3: So well?

775
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 2: You mentioned X with the clean pocket obviously has made

776
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 2: some wild throws. What is you know? Penix has been

777
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 2: sort of all over the place both for things on

778
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 2: the field and injury history. Where do you land on him?

779
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 2: As he sort of could be anywhere between what a

780
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 2: first and third rounder?

781
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, and some people really love him and I again

782
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 3: view him as a round three guy. So him and

783
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 3: Nicks are kind of like Lockstep for me, which is

784
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 3: kind of funny. You feel like they just prepare it

785
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 3: together for two years now. I even was on a

786
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 3: different pod and I started calling him Picks and I

787
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 3: didn't mean it, like it was just inadvertently just started

788
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 3: calling him Picks, and I was like, I didn't mean

789
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 3: to do that, but yeah, here we are. Pennix. For me,

790
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 3: my comparison has started to get into like a smaller

791
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 3: pirate left witch, and I mean that good and bad.

792
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 3: He'll push the ball, he's aggressive. I love that. I

793
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 3: love quarterbacks that aggressive. That's why I love Drake May.

794
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 3: I think that's the winning formula. And then you try

795
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 3: to bring it back in and call him down a

796
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 3: little bit. Pennix to me, though he has some accuracy

797
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 3: stuff I don't like. He never works over the middle

798
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 3: as far as doesn't want to, Like he doesn't want

799
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 3: to throw a time and he wants to throw over

800
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 3: the top or he wants to throw, he has to

801
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 3: see it a little bit, so he ends up always

802
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 3: just a hair late on throws. Again, that's concerning with

803
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 3: so many starts and so many plays and such good

804
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,919
Speaker 3: receivers and offense and all that. He doesn't create at all.

805
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 3: And I know he ran a good forty, you'd never

806
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,720
Speaker 3: see it like ever. If he gets any sign of pressure,

807
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 3: he throws that ball away. And if this was twenty

808
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 3: years ago, I'd be like, yeah, I like that. Can't

809
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 3: do the NFL quarterbacks. You have to be create. You

810
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 3: have to be my stress. You have to be a

811
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 3: lobbry in the pocket and do stuff outside of the pocket.

812
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 3: So that's already concerning to me. You have accuracy issues

813
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 3: and you don't create, all right, And then that's before

814
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 3: getting into medicals, age and all those types of things.

815
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 3: I also think he needs this where the left wich

816
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 3: comparisons come in. They're different sizes and everything, but he

817
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 3: needs a big platform to throw. He's kind of a

818
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 3: long strider that takes some of that. So I just

819
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 3: have red alerts with all those types of things, because

820
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 3: I need to see a little creation. If I'm going

821
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 3: to put you in there, like, you got to do

822
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 3: a little bit more because you're not gonna get those pockets,

823
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 3: you're not gonna play with those receivers, you're not going

824
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 3: to have that offensive coordinator and that offensive line coach either,

825
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:45,879
Speaker 3: So I just have a lot of concerns with him.

826
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 3: His is the situation that struck out stuck up most

827
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 3: to me as helping him more than like, more than

828
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 3: the others, more than even Dangels at times?

829
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 2: Wow, is there a player? Obviously, tweeters are super fascinating

830
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 2: and for some positions along the offensive line, you could

831
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 2: be between you know, a tackle and a guard or something.

832
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 2: But we have a league in the NFL that either

833
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 2: finds coaches who can find players and get the absolute

834
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 2: most out of them in unique roles. You're you know,

835
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 2: Deebo Samuel with the Niners or Derwin James with the Chargers. Right,

836
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 2: they're playing hybrid positions. Is there a hybrid guy that

837
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 2: you have been seduced by? And with the sort of

838
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 2: caveat of saying like, if he ends up at the

839
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 2: right place and they can unlock this specific strength of

840
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 2: his and sort of create something or insert him into

841
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 2: this position, they're going to thrive. If they don't, they

842
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 2: might be Isaiah Simmons, they might be Tevon Austin something

843
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 2: like that. Who is like on that balance for you?

844
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,280
Speaker 3: Oh man, So a less sexy one would be Brandon

845
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 3: Dorles from Oregon. Yeah, a defensive lineman, and I just

846
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 3: say defensive lineman because I'm not sure what clod He's

847
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 3: best at, and I think that's good and bad. But

848
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 3: I think if he goes through the right spot with

849
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 3: the creative defensive coordinator, which I think more in the

850
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 3: week are now the coordinator's situation, play calling situation, I

851
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 3: think in my assessment is decent right now in the week,

852
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 3: it's not as confounding. I know as the season goes

853
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 3: along it becomes confounding once quarterbacks can hurt everything, but

854
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 3: it's like the baseline is not bad. So Doriles to

855
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:23,280
Speaker 3: me is I think he his versatility or his tweeenerness.

856
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 3: You know, there's the positive or the negative right exactly

857
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 3: how you want to describe it. I would call it

858
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 3: versatility is a good thing because he can wind up

859
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 3: inside a little bit a little bit outside. But him

860
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 3: I'm very bullish on because I like that because there's

861
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 3: more defenders like this that are working right now in

862
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 3: the NFL. And just again, like I said, more creative

863
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 3: defensive coordinators. I mean, shoot the obvious one. And this

864
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 3: is because I don't consider him a tight end. I truly,

865
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 3: and I hate this term. That's why I use it.

866
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 3: By me as a company's offensive weapon has brought Bowers

867
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,959
Speaker 3: because at Bowers is Yes, he's a tight end lined

868
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,760
Speaker 3: up in the slot. I can look back to twenty

869
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 3: nineteen and True Media for stats, Bowers lined up in

870
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 3: the slot the second most times of any tight end

871
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 3: in FBS on FBS record. He is a power slot.

872
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 3: He is more like Cooper Cup than he is like

873
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,479
Speaker 3: Kyle Pitts or George Kittle Wow or anything like that.

874
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 3: And so to him, I think he's a special talent,

875
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 3: but he also it's it's it's an oxymoron to me.

876
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 3: Usually special talents are situation proof and scheme proof, but

877
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 3: Bowers is a special talent where it's like I want

878
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 3: to see him in certain spots though I don't want

879
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 3: to see him with the Jets, and that actually seems

880
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 3: like it's gonna happen, so wink wink, But I I

881
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 3: want to see him with the Rams. I want to

882
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 3: see him. I want to even see him with Sean Payton.

883
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 3: I want to see him with the Colts, with Shane

884
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 3: Stiking because he's great with tight ends. But like to me,

885
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 3: Brock Bauers used like Puka Nakua or Cooper Cup where

886
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 3: they're blockers, they're kind of tight ends, they're kind of receivers.

887
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 3: They kind of do all this motion stuff. Brock Bowers

888
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 3: does all that Jets sweep stuff too.

889
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 2: Like they're used as like mismatch hunters.

890
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 3: Mismatch hunters like Puka. That's what Pooka is. Pooka is

891
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 3: a adjusters. A typical football formation is twenty one personnel,

892
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 3: which is a full back, running back, two receivers in

893
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 3: a tight end. The adjuster is the fullback there. So

894
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 3: if you go twelve personnel, that's the second tight end.

895
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 3: If I go eleven personnel with three receivers, that's the

896
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 3: slot receiver. They what the rams do, and this is

897
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 3: what more teams are doing. They're just finding guys that

898
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 3: are adjusters, not just slot, not just tight end. You

899
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 3: are the f no matter what. It's the weirdest thing

900
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 3: of football. The adjuster is labeled F. I don't still

901
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 3: don't know why flex. I don't know why, but it is,

902
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 3: and I just take it run with it. So more

903
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:39,800
Speaker 3: teams and the good coaches are the Lions with Ben Johnson,

904
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 3: Packers with the floor Shanahan Kyle Shanahan with the forty

905
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 3: nine ers McVeigh with the Rams. What these guys are

906
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 3: doing are going like, we'll just stay in the same

907
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 3: personnel and we'll just move these one or two guys

908
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 3: around and mess you up every snap. It's awesome powers

909
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 3: in the right situation, it could be an ultimate weapon

910
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 3: that can unlock so much. But I like them with

911
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 3: those teams. And again, like the Jets or the Giants,

912
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 3: I'm sorry or something.

913
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: So I know, Oh, I know, it's fine.

914
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the Giants love their slot receivers, so bowers

915
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 3: are fit right in.

916
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, terrific. So we solicited the forballer Hood for some questions. Nate,

917
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,919
Speaker 4: I'm actually gonna mix this one with one of my own,

918
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 4: just because we've done it every year. I like asking

919
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 4: you who your can't miss guys. Are the guys that

920
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 4: you look at and you say for sure that player

921
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 4: is going to be a star. I'm also gonna, I

922
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 4: guess merge that with a question that we got from

923
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 4: Ryan out on our Patreon, who just wants to know broadly,

924
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 4: who is your favorite player in the draft. Not necessarily

925
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 4: the best, but who is the guy that you were

926
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 4: rooting most for I suppose that could be the same guy.

927
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 4: Maybe it's Drake May.

928
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it probably is.

929
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, it probably is Drake May. It is May or

930
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 3: kle Williams. Like, after you watch so many bad quarterbacks,

931
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 3: you watch so many bad prospects, and when you watch

932
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 3: guys like this, it's it's fun. And I I like

933
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 3: try to like I'm trying not to be so like

934
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 3: crazy verbose about it, but it's like, I'm excited to

935
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 3: watch NFL people watch these guys like fans and just

936
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 3: go like, Oh, this is what you guys were talking

937
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 3: about all those years. It's like, yeah, it's like that.

938
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 3: I'm excited to watch those two. Like those two are

939
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 3: truly favorite players and I think best players. But I mean,

940
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 3: if we're just getting to just maybe down the board

941
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 3: of Roman dunesday again, I already gushed about him, get

942
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 3: into offensive Linemen. I love Graham Barton from Duke. I

943
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 3: think him and Trey Fontnu from Washington. Yeah, I've mixed

944
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 3: up his name three times now. But those two, I

945
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 3: think they're just gonna be awesome pros. The big question

946
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 3: for them is what's spot and now that used to

947
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 3: be such a negative. Now for me, I think that's

948
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 3: a positive in football because you need the lineman. Guards

949
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 3: are getting paid, Tackles are getting paid both sides, left

950
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 3: and right tackle. You need five starters in some way,

951
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 3: shape or form. I think both of those have good

952
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 3: or maybe in Pro Bowl potential at four spots on

953
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 3: the line and could play tackle in the pinch. I

954
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 3: like both of those guys too. If we're just going

955
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 3: to offensive line and then I've talked enough about offense,

956
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 3: let's go defense.

957
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 4: Uh.

958
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 3: Mike Hall from Ohio State, I really like him. Uh.

959
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 3: Kind of a limited snap guy at Ohio State. Young,

960
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 3: but gap shooter, straight her kind of a weird personality,

961
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 3: but not weird doesn't mean bad. I've always learned this.

962
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 2: Now I stuck with all these ears.

963
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 3: So fine, Robert stuck with me. Here we are. But

964
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 3: uh no, but Mike Hall is He's a guy I'm

965
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 3: I'm bullish on. I really enjoyed watching him, So that

966
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,240
Speaker 3: that's another one I wanted to throw in there. It's

967
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 3: after that, you know, Cooper de Jean's a lot of fun.

968
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 3: Milk Mustafa from Wake Forest. He's my safety one, but

969
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 3: a lot of people see him as a Day three guy,

970
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 3: and I'm I'm kind of blown away by that. He's

971
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 3: one of those guys that he's shorter. I think he's

972
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 3: five nine to five ten, but he's big. I've compared

973
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 3: to a Buddha Baker and I watch him and everyone

974
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 3: kept kind of knock him. Oh, I don't think he's

975
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 3: gonna test well. And then he tests well, I don't

976
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 3: think he's big enough. He weighs two fifteen. You know,

977
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 3: it's like everyone, well, everyone's trying to find ways to

978
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 3: knock him and other than just going like, he's really good.

979
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 3: So that's another guy I'm kind of chare for because

980
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 3: this tapes a lot of fun. I could keep going

981
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 3: and going.

982
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 1: Can I ask you a philosophical question?

983
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 4: It's not so much around the draft, but it comes

984
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 4: to mind often when we talk about how guys are

985
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 4: graded out and how they fit into the NFL. How

986
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 4: many good quarterbacks are there in the NFL right now?

987
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 3: Like good, good, good quarterback?

988
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 4: Because I feel like we have this discussion every year

989
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,879
Speaker 4: when we're talking about, you know, the five guys fighting line. Yeah, yeah,

990
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 4: the five guys off the draft board, get that get

991
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 4: picked and they could come in and be instant impact.

992
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 4: But it feels like from Afar not an NFL show again,

993
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 4: Like there just aren't that many good quarterbacks, And I

994
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 4: wonder if that's true, and if so.

995
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 3: Why It's the baseline is higher, but now it's harder. Okay,

996
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 3: it's quarterback play is more advanced than ever, but it's

997
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 3: harder than ever to play quarterbacks. So it's kind of

998
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 3: a funny thing. I shoot. I during COVID during two

999
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 3: thousand or in twenty twenty twenty, I sat there on

1000
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 3: YouTube and just watched all eighties and nineties NFL games

1001
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 3: on YouTube, just over and over and over. And I

1002
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 3: was watching some of these starters in like nineteen ninety seven,

1003
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 3: and I remember some of this as a kid. But

1004
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 3: I'm like, we're knocking quarterback play now, I'm watching it.

1005
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 3: I'm watching Mark Sanchez in a playoff game, go under

1006
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 3: center on third down and go. They went two fullbacks

1007
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 3: to two tight ends in a playoff game because they

1008
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 3: didn't trust Mark Sanchez, who is the number six pick.

1009
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 3: I'm watching. Now, we're throwing a freaking Tommy DeVito and

1010
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 3: he's they're running real offense for him. Are we kidding?

1011
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 3: So the baseline is so much higher, but oh, my god.

1012
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 3: The defensive line has never been better. dB play has

1013
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 3: never been better. Whyebacker play big question mark, I'm blaming

1014
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 3: you guys in college for that. Yeah, but yeah, but

1015
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:46,919
Speaker 3: D line plays better, pass rush has never been better.

1016
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 3: Safety play has never been better, defensive play calls have

1017
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 3: never been better, blitzes have never been harder. It's yeah,

1018
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 3: so I think that's what it is. But if you're

1019
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,760
Speaker 3: saying what good and good the threash the number changes

1020
00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 3: every year. That's another thing. People go, oh, this at

1021
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 3: top eight quarterback. It's like, well there might be twelve

1022
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 3: top eight quarterbacks, right, you know, once we kind of

1023
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 3: crate it, so I just top my head like U

1024
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 3: two three at three so far four, five, six, seven,

1025
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 3: eight eight in the AFC, so half the AFC. But

1026
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 3: then that's that's the good conference. Now we get to

1027
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 3: the AFC twelve silence, thirteen thirteen twelve total.

1028
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's about right.

1029
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 3: And that's and that's stretching him with maybe one or

1030
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,720
Speaker 3: two guys. So yeah, that's that's about right. That's that's

1031
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,720
Speaker 3: that's above average or better, like good, what quality starter

1032
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 3: are better?

1033
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: So good?

1034
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1035
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 2: Our solid verbal promise to you is we're not going

1036
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 2: to ask you who the next rock party is, because.

1037
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 3: Thank god, you wouldn't be here. I didn't include him

1038
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 3: in that that twelve. You didn't, No, I didn't, so.

1039
00:48:58,120 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 2: Oh, I like the forty nine ers. He seems like

1040
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 2: a good quarterback.

1041
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 3: I don't know he solid, but it's get him out

1042
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:04,879
Speaker 3: of there. I don't know. Like I didn't include Tua

1043
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,439
Speaker 3: in that camp either. Those guys I struggle with because

1044
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 3: I think they're fine, but there I don't know if

1045
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 3: they're good. And that's again, this is splitting heirs. This

1046
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 3: is like, holy shit. My Twitter mentions anytime these discussions

1047
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 3: come up just turn into hell, oh yeah. This is

1048
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 3: the best thing about the off season is I get No,

1049
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 3: I'm prognostic. That's what I've gone on, like, I'm staying

1050
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 3: away from every discussion on it. It's to every argument

1051
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,879
Speaker 3: about it. I have my feelings, keeping on self.

1052
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 2: Take a nap instead.

1053
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 3: What's the knock on college linebackers, Well, they have to

1054
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,240
Speaker 3: play a different game, right. They don't take on blocks.

1055
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 3: It's a lot of run and hit. They also have

1056
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 3: to worry about RPOs every play, so their style of

1057
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 3: play just on a snap isn't what they have to

1058
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 3: do in the NFL. They have to cover some RPOs,

1059
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 3: but it's even different the RPOs that they have to

1060
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 3: face in the NFL. They don't have to take on

1061
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 3: a full back, they don't have to take on a

1062
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 3: good blocking tight end reach up to them. In the

1063
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,439
Speaker 3: second level. It's a lot of run and hit meeting

1064
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 3: run in space. Everything in college is space. NFL is

1065
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 3: more tight spaces and having to navigate that. A lot

1066
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 3: of them are converted safety types, you know, twenty eight

1067
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 3: to twenty five, which, though you're seeing it trickle up

1068
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,280
Speaker 3: into the NFL, good, bad or more, linebackers are starting

1069
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 3: at two thirty five to thirty two somewhere around there.

1070
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 3: That's fine, It's just that it used to be linebackers

1071
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,240
Speaker 3: you consider plug and play. I get this guy Boom,

1072
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:29,879
Speaker 3: he's day one starter. We got him for the next

1073
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 3: five years, six years. Now it feels like you have

1074
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 3: to develop linebackers, which is it's just a different line

1075
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 3: of thinking now because of what they have to face

1076
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 3: in college is drastically different than the NFL.

1077
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 4: My final question, and then I know Dan's got something

1078
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 4: very important he needs to discuss with you before we

1079
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 4: put a bow on this. But This one comes to

1080
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 4: us from Thomas Out on Patreon. He wants to know

1081
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 4: from studying film on this year's draft prospects, are there

1082
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 4: any college players that you notice who are actually returning

1083
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:58,760
Speaker 4: to college but maybe are.

1084
00:50:58,440 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: Flying under the radar.

1085
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 4: We're not talking about them now because of you know,

1086
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 4: it's this year's draft, but guys that are already on

1087
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 4: your radar for twenty twenty five.

1088
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 3: Oh, I got guys on my radar from twenty twenty six.

1089
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, a freaking Caleb Downs, the safety.

1090
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 2: Oh my god, he's ridiculous.

1091
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 3: Holy crap. Where you go, Ohio Steak and him? Oh

1092
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 3: my god, Peter Woods. This is twenty twenty six Peter Woods,

1093
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 3: defensive tackle Clemson. That guy looks like a top ten pick.

1094
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 3: I would actually, I'm gonna come on the show. That

1095
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 3: guy's the first rounder. I'll just say right now, I'm

1096
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 3: not gonna say top ten pick already. He's playing with

1097
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 3: another defensive tackle that might go in top three rounds

1098
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 3: in rook a Row, which is the peanut butter in

1099
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 3: the mouth game. He's better as a true freshman, Like,

1100
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 3: what's vastly better? Yeah, So that's that's a guy I'm

1101
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:52,240
Speaker 3: keeping my eye on definitely for next year. Luther Burden

1102
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 3: from a Zoo. Yeah, definitely guy go position by the position. Oh,

1103
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 3: Mitchell Evans from Notre Dame the tight end, Yeah, who's

1104
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 3: just a big hoss, like freaking Paul Bunny and that

1105
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 3: can catch everything. But yeah, he's yeah, the LSU tackle.

1106
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 3: And I'm blinking out his name because I always mix

1107
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 3: him up. It's Emery Jones or Will Campbell. I can't

1108
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 3: remember which ones which, but they're left tackle. I really

1109
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 3: like him. Some guys that returned to school that I

1110
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 3: was shocked that they did were some of Theaho State guys.

1111
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 3: Jack Sawyer from Ohio State. I'm a big fan of

1112
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 3: his game. I had him as until we decided he

1113
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 3: was returning to school. I had a first round grade

1114
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 3: on him. I just really liked it. I shouldn't say

1115
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 3: first round grade, late first or early second, splitting Harris,

1116
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:39,919
Speaker 3: but it counts. But his game is awesome, good pass rusher,

1117
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 3: does everything well. But also his teammate to Malow Toamalow

1118
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:48,439
Speaker 3: from Yeah JT. We'll just go with JT. Those two

1119
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 3: of course. Abdul Carter from Penn State. He looks like

1120
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 3: a freak.

1121
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 2: That's state edge moving to the edge, which good.

1122
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 3: He should he should be on the edge. Yeah, he's

1123
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 3: he looks like a uh datte Cordion from Cincinnati. Uh,

1124
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 3: just because that's a fun name. I think he's decent.

1125
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 3: Let's see who else we got, Uh, Andrew Andrew mcuba

1126
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 3: from uh he was clenched in down Texas. And then

1127
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 3: of course Travis Hunter from Colorado.

1128
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 2: Ye, holy crap, which position?

1129
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 3: I think corner? Okay, yeah, it's just tiny your hands.

1130
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 3: I think some of the drops he had he has.

1131
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:30,439
Speaker 3: But he's just he's a special player. It's a fun

1132
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,839
Speaker 3: it's a fun class. Quarterbacks are like great, great at

1133
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 3: this point in time. But you don't know, I like

1134
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 3: Riley Leonard who just went to Norre Dame.

1135
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: Man, I mean, we just don't see eye to eye

1136
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:42,720
Speaker 1: on anything.

1137
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 2: Tools.

1138
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 3: Tools, Yeah that's what it is. That's tools. It is,

1139
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 3: It's all it is. But the thing is, I like

1140
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 3: to see him throw the ball further than five yards. Yeah,

1141
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 3: that's a and that's a classic. Is that the offense

1142
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 3: or was that them going? We don't trust him to

1143
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 3: push the ball, So that's what Notre Dame gonn to

1144
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 3: have any excuses. So I'm excited to see them. This

1145
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:04,959
Speaker 3: one's going to bite me in the ass. But I'm

1146
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:11,240
Speaker 3: a Tower Van Dyke supporter. Wow, whoa he was at Miami,

1147
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 3: and I've always been like, hey, there's.

1148
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 2: So now we see the helmet behind you.

1149
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 3: It Wisconsin now, so now I can't hide Now. If

1150
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 3: he's not good, I can't just go. I don't talk

1151
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,919
Speaker 3: about him as a prospect. I'm good. No, if he's

1152
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 3: not gros.

1153
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 2: He throws a very catchable ball. Unfortunately, multiple teams catch I.

1154
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 3: Thought you're gonna say, there's Unfortunately the fans are the

1155
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 3: ones that how we how we catch a ball? That

1156
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 3: ball is Yeah, I like him more than others. Cam

1157
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 3: Ward was another fun one. Carson Back, the quarterback at Georgia,

1158
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 3: is interesting to me. I have no idea who I'm

1159
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 3: gonna pus as my QB one as going into the

1160
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 3: summer at this point in time, but Beck's in the

1161
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 3: running for that. But uh yeah, yeah, oh Jay One

1162
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 3: Daniels Kansas, Uh yeah, well yeah, when he's healthy, he's

1163
00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:59,720
Speaker 3: freaking awesome. But yeah, yeah, that's the big.

1164
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 2: Thing we're putting your Tyler Van Dyke take as an

1165
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 2: interesting draft prospect into our volcano that we've called take

1166
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 2: a toa that's fine, and we'll see what happens. Their

1167
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 2: final question, because you've given us a ton of time,

1168
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 2: ton of information, a ton of premium, top tier, elite content.

1169
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 2: Chicken fingers. Use your evaluation brain, use your prospect brain.

1170
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a take on who does

1171
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 2: it the strongest or what age like if you have

1172
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 2: a rubric when you go to a random sports bar

1173
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 2: and you are craving a basket. First of all, there's

1174
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 2: chicken fingers versus chicken tenders. Those are different parts of

1175
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 2: the chicken. Right, Your finger is a little girthier, your

1176
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 2: tender's a little flatter. Is there a sauce preference? Is

1177
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 2: there a breading preference? Is there? Do you want them

1178
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 2: on a sandwich? Not on a sandwich? Do you where

1179
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 2: do you come down when evaluating your your fried chicken

1180
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 2: in a hand?

1181
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 3: I do like a little more breading. I don't like

1182
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 3: the flat. I think that's the start that you kind

1183
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 3: of brought that. Yeah, I don't like that. I do

1184
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 3: like them, but I prefer the more crunching. Yeah, I

1185
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 3: like the I also like kind of the mix and

1186
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 3: match of the crunch. Like sometimes it's like you get

1187
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 3: more crunched, sometimes you don't. You can kind of mix

1188
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,439
Speaker 3: that up. I like that. I also like a little

1189
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 3: bit more pepper in my my okay, yeah, my chicken fingers.

1190
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 3: And I think that's kind of something that gets lost.

1191
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 3: I I think they know that chicken fingers are going

1192
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 3: for the most you know, white bread person, so you know,

1193
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 3: you can still throw some salt pepper in there, like

1194
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 3: you know, like you know, you don't need to go

1195
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 3: away from that. So I would think, really it's I'm

1196
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 3: a texture kind of guy, So I think that's what

1197
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,800
Speaker 3: the big differentiator for me is that crunch and that

1198
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 3: that certain type of crunching, that certain type of breading.

1199
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 3: But the thing is it's so hit and miss. This

1200
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,240
Speaker 3: is not like Applebee's or any of those like Chili's

1201
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 3: or anything like that, not that I haven't got one

1202
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:47,479
Speaker 3: of those in a while.

1203
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 1: Of course.

1204
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 3: It's usually you get these at like a bar and

1205
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 3: grill at some random place. This isn't like a chain

1206
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 3: type of chicken finger that I'm thinking of. It's just

1207
00:56:57,760 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 3: a certain type that certain bars have. It's like cert

1208
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,839
Speaker 3: and bars have certain type of wings. They're like, oh yeah,

1209
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 3: that's that's that's a good buffalo wings. Same type of

1210
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 3: thing with chicken ferr. So it's hard for me to describe,

1211
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,320
Speaker 3: but I will say the breading, the crunch, and the

1212
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 3: pepper would be the big differentiators for me.

1213
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 2: Sweet sauce, creamy sauce, sauce, sauce. I'm more of a

1214
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 2: spicy sauce kind of Guyicy sauce O I for me.

1215
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 3: Sauce I don't want to ever say, because one everyone

1216
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 3: acts like any sauce that you say is like you're

1217
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 3: a child, or that's stupid dis opinion, which is so

1218
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 3: funny to me. It's like we all have like a

1219
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 3: matter of opinion. I always think that's when people criticize

1220
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 3: food stuff. To me, I'm like and like, you know,

1221
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 3: like I like I have a well versed taste, like

1222
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 3: I do a bunch of steams. I also like chicken

1223
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 3: fingers great, like you know, like I don't know, I

1224
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 3: think people that knock up.

1225
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 2: Yeah vikings Bro twenty one doesn't agree with the sauce

1226
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 2: I dip in. I have to reevaluate everything.

1227
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:47,919
Speaker 3: You're a ranch guy.

1228
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 2: It's like, yep, yeah, what kind of spicy sauce?

1229
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 3: Oh just straight buffalo. But I like a classic Frank's Hot,

1230
00:57:55,960 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 3: like classic, classic buttery kind of buffalo sauce. And then

1231
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 3: you know, some people have gotten interesting with some buffalo

1232
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 3: range combos. Sure I like that, So I'm kind of

1233
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 3: simpler in that regard. I'll do some honey mustard every

1234
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 3: once in a while, but that's that's that's more of

1235
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 3: a one place in Minnesota that like with their chicken fingers.

1236
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 3: But bunnies shout out to buddies. But yeah, that's it.

1237
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 3: I actually thought the last question was gonna be one

1238
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 3: of my favorite questions I always get of the year.

1239
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 3: And that's all you guys go, Who's who's like offenses

1240
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 3: and defenses? You guys like, did you like, yeah, let's

1241
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 3: go there. It was just because there was one I

1242
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 3: just want to talk about you. I think I mentioned

1243
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 3: him a couple of years ago, but I finally learned

1244
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 3: the guy's name, and that's because he's now the offense

1245
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 3: coordinat at Northwestern. But that was South Dakota State's offensive

1246
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 3: coordinator blue Hot, and he's at Northwestern. Love his stuff.

1247
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 3: I've kept an eye on this guy for a couple

1248
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 3: of years now. I am he's kind of a guy.

1249
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 2: Did he just get hired or was he just got hired,

1250
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 2: just got.

1251
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 3: Hired, Yes, but was that South dakost State the last

1252
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 3: couple of years really young, I think maybe just turned thirty.

1253
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 3: And yeah, he's he's a guy. I'm keeping my eye

1254
00:58:58,320 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 3: on what.

1255
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 2: Was it again? I know he was like fullbacks creatively,

1256
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 2: he had all sorts of everything.

1257
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 3: Anything you can think of he does just Yeah, it's

1258
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 3: all the good kind of greatest hits type of scheme

1259
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 3: stuff as far as concepts. But he dresses up really well,

1260
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 3: like you're saying, like he has a fullback doing what

1261
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 3: a receiver would normally do. We're gonna do this screen,

1262
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 3: but we're gonna switch some guys around, have some funky

1263
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 3: action with it. It's create creative stuff, much like how

1264
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 3: Washington was last year, where it's it's the it's the

1265
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 3: good sound, offensive stuff, but just with some cool window

1266
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 3: dressing and some tempo and all that type stuff. But

1267
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 3: he's a guy. I'm just yeah, really really optimistic about so.

1268
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 2: You heard it here. First, Northwestern's offense. If they have

1269
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 2: the guys, they're gonna do fun things.

1270
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 3: They'll do fun things. I feel like that's what Northwestern

1271
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 3: should be. Anyways, I agree do fun.

1272
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 1: Stuff when they play next to the lake Dan on.

1273
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 2: A practice field, on a practice field, a temp stand situation.

1274
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, catching interceptions from Tyler van Dyke.

1275
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 2: That's exactly right, circle.

1276
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna love it. It's like, yeah, yeah, get the

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Speaker 3: ball the Northwestern again. Yeah yah yeah, yeah, yeah, there

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Speaker 3: you go, Tyler. I want to say, I want to see

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Speaker 3: what they do on third down. Let's do it.

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Speaker 2: Excellent, Well, Nate Tice, Yahoo the Athletic, thank you as

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Speaker 2: always for your time and enjoy the draft, and may

1282
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 2: all of your takes be proven correct and your Twitter

1283
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 2: mentions be filled with Gotta hand it to Nate. He

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01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 2: nailed that one.

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Speaker 3: That'll never happen though, Just go what about Desmond Ritter?

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Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, yeah, thank you guys so much. This

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Speaker 3: is off always a ton of fun.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 4: There you go, Nate Tice sharing his words of wisdom

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Speaker 4: with us as he has the last couple years. Not

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Speaker 4: gonna lie the Jade Daniels thoughts.

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Speaker 1: Take it. It takes wind out of my sales.

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01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 2: I was hoping for better bone Nick's words myself.

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Speaker 4: I am not kidding when I say that. When I

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01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 4: saw his comments on Jade and Daniels, I nearly fell

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Speaker 4: out of my chair and there was an audible groan

1297
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 4: and solid wife Kate did say, hey, is everything okay

1298
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 4: over there?

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Speaker 1: That is how that hit me.

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01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 2: I'm not sure I knew the weight thing with Jayden Daniels.

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure I knew the over the middle thing

1302
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Speaker 4: with any of these guys, and that I think is

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01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 4: as well.

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: My thoughts on the over the middle thing is I

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01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 2: think that can be such a variable thing in terms

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01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 2: of like the offenses that are called and when you

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01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 2: have receivers who are so good in getting open so

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Speaker 2: often downfields. I can only speak for myself. Legendary athlete

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Speaker 2: icon is what some have said that you're you're taking

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01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 2: big swings, you're bombing down the field. What do you do?

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Speaker 2: That's all.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. It's interesting.

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Speaker 4: It is certainly not short on narrative, especially at the

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Speaker 4: quarterback position. Yeah, I find JJ McCarthy fascinating in this draft.

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Speaker 4: I of course am not in a position to do

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Speaker 4: any kind of comps, but that push pull between did

1319
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 4: they not trust him or did the offense just not

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01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 4: turn him loose is something that's going to unfold, probably

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Speaker 4: pretty high in the first round, We'll hear a lot

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Speaker 4: about that. I'm going to be watching, I know you're

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Speaker 4: going to be watching. Hopefully over ballerhood will be watching

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Speaker 4: as well and can chime in in real time. It's fun.

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Speaker 1: It's fun to see where these guys go.

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Speaker 4: We did solicit some listener feedback out there to figure

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Speaker 4: out what should we do with this show? Should we

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Speaker 4: keep doing it? Like how do you feel about the draft?

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Speaker 4: And I would say overwhelmingly. Of course, there were folks

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Speaker 4: who don't care because they're primarily college fans, but by

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Speaker 4: and large, we had a lot of interest in the draft,

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Speaker 4: and it is coming from folks who enjoy college, want

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Speaker 4: to root everybody on at the next level, and are

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Speaker 4: just genuinely curious to hear what people have to say

1335
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 4: about many of these names that we've come to know

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Speaker 4: very closely over the last however many years, two three,

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Speaker 4: four years, so from that standpoint alone, it is one

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Speaker 4: of those interesting points of intersect for us as college

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Speaker 4: football fans.

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Speaker 2: I get very excited, and again I mentioned this a

1341
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 2: couple times during the interview, like I just don't watch

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Speaker 2: a lot of NFL because of my Saturday schedule and

1343
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 2: Sunday morning work. Schedule with you got two little kids.

1344
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 2: Sundays are a day where I'm just out doing it.

1345
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 2: We need to decompress a little bit, right right, And

1346
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 2: so I and I'm also still playing attention to college

1347
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 2: stuff on Sunday when coaches get fired and everything like that.

1348
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Speaker 2: So I get fascinated with the draft, not necessarily in

1349
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 2: terms of like who's valued where based on like guys

1350
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Speaker 2: that I liked in college. But I always appreciate, and

1351
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Speaker 2: we've said this before, we're two very proud swingers, Ty

1352
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 2: and I can mean that however you'd like, okay, but

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01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 2: I appreciate when somebody who is not considered by the

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Speaker 2: experts to be top ten, top five, top you know,

1355
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 2: first two, three rounds whatever that the Vikings, the Jaguars, whoever, like,

1356
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 2: we love this guy and we refuse to wait for him.

1357
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Speaker 2: And so I look, sometimes you get your what Daniel

1358
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 2: Jones at pick five or six and it didn't work out,

1359
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Speaker 2: as far as I can tell from Afar, didn't work out.

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Speaker 1: It didn't know it, but it didn't it.

1361
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 2: If you love a player, take them, grab them, trade up,

1362
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 2: do whatever it takes, and you don't get a lot

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Speaker 2: of sense that you know NFL President's gms or whatever

1364
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 2: are taking risks that risk their jobs all that often,

1365
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 2: but when they do, it's pretty cool to see. And

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Speaker 2: I don't remember how everybody evaluated. I'm sure Patrick Mahomes

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01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 2: was buy and large looked at as like a top

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Speaker 2: twenty pick and he went what eleven? Was it eleven

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Speaker 2: something like that. I remember being a little bit shocked

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Speaker 2: that he went as high as he did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Same, But I'm not an NFLGM for a good reason,

1373
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:37,400
Speaker 2: mind you. It would be a disaster if somebody hired

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Speaker 2: me to do that. So I appreciate with somebody like

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Speaker 2: this is our guy, we're not going to say like, oh,

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Speaker 2: let's see if we can get him in a round

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Speaker 2: or two, or there's always going to be somebody else

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Speaker 2: in the fourth round. No, I don't like that at all,

1379
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Speaker 2: and so value guys how you want take some swings.

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Speaker 1: I like that.

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Speaker 4: Here's my question to you and to the for baller

1382
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 4: hood as a whole, please and we'll close out on this.

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01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 4: I asked Nate. Nate's pretty high on Drake May. Who

1384
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 4: is the guy just based on your knowledge of what

1385
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 4: he did in college?

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Speaker 1: Who is your guy? Who is the guy that you.

1387
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 4: Are certain at the next level will be a star.

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01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 4: It can be a sleeper, it could be one of

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Speaker 4: the names that we discussed here today. But who is

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Speaker 4: that guy for you? For ballerhood, reach out to us

1391
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 4: on social media. I'll prompt people get your feedback. I

1392
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:28,439
Speaker 4: want to know who is your guy? Who is the guy,

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Speaker 4: the one guy of whom you are certain in this

1394
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 4: NFL draft?

1395
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Speaker 1: Who's that guy for you?

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Speaker 2: That's a good question. I mean, Marvin Harrison Junior seems

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Speaker 2: like just a finish.

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Speaker 1: That's a lot, that's a lock.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that so okay, he's not necessarily my guy,

1400
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 2: because that's the easiest answer. But who am I rooting for?

1401
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 2: It's probably gonna be an Oregon player. I really like

1402
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 2: Jackson Powers Johnson, so I think he's the consensus number

1403
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 2: one center in the draft. And I just I remember

1404
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 2: here very early on at his time at Oregon, he

1405
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 2: was so good that Oregon was then at defensive tackle,

1406
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 2: and so he started playing on the defensive line. Mario

1407
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Speaker 2: Christobal loved him and has obviously a terrific guy for

1408
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 2: offensive line recruits. Came in, was too good to keep

1409
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 2: out of the rotation, basically immediately, and he seems likable.

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01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 2: He was the one on like those screens against Arizona

1411
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 2: State who finished through the goal line like he was

1412
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Speaker 2: running through the tape in a track meet. To me,

1413
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Speaker 2: he just seems like somebody who is going to come

1414
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 2: in and immediately, you know, be a successful center for

1415
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:38,919
Speaker 2: thirteen years in the NFL. And so that's my guy.

1416
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Speaker 2: It's personal. I'm biased about it, but I think that's

1417
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 2: my answer.

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Speaker 4: I am hitching my wagon. We talked about the top

1419
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 4: three receivers in this class and it also mentioned Brian Thomas.

1420
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 4: I'm hitching my wagon to both Keon Coleman and Lad McConkey.

1421
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 4: I am calling on those two guys, and I think

1422
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 4: Keon Coleman's probably a higher graded prospect than lad McConkie.

1423
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 4: I don't know how it shakes out, but both those

1424
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 4: guys have terrific hands. Keon Coleman, I think where it

1425
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 4: ran a disappointing like four to six or something like that.

1426
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:17,320
Speaker 1: I think lad McConkie was.

1427
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Speaker 4: Better, but both guys obviously had different trajectories in college.

1428
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 4: Keon Coleman with Michigan State and then with Florida State.

1429
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:30,640
Speaker 4: Lad McConkie, I think was always sort of underrated for

1430
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 4: the role that he played at Georgia, and that may

1431
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 4: be the assumption as he moves on into the NFL.

1432
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Speaker 4: But I am fixated on those two guys if I

1433
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:42,880
Speaker 4: am drafting long term in like a fantasy football league,

1434
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 4: nothing of real merit. I'm very curious to see how

1435
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 4: they translate to the NFL, because I think both have

1436
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 4: really bright futures ahead of them.

1437
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 2: I also am I think I'm pretty bullish on I

1438
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:58,920
Speaker 2: think it's Layatsu Latsu. Yeah, from UCLA transferred down from Washington.

1439
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 2: A fascinating story with his injury history and just like

1440
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:07,680
Speaker 2: he seems like a underthink express conductor, which is like

1441
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 2: all he does is beat tackles and destroy quarterbacks all

1442
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:13,439
Speaker 2: the time. And so maybe there are things that topick

1443
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 2: about at his game, but I don't know I've seen

1444
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 2: enough of him to know that, like, yeah, he's just

1445
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 2: going to if he's healthy, destroy people.

1446
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:23,720
Speaker 4: The other guy that I'd throw in there, and this

1447
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 4: kind of speaks to what Nate was saying about guys

1448
01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 4: who know how to run roots and can handle zone coverage.

1449
01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 4: I mean, we talked about quarterbacks with zone coverage, but

1450
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:35,640
Speaker 4: a Naias Smith out of Texas A and M. I

1451
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:37,640
Speaker 4: think is one of those guys that can come in

1452
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 4: and just seems to understand space, understand the offense.

1453
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 2: And one of those tweeters that make talking about as well.

1454
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think at Nia Smith is a really interesting

1455
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 4: prospect as well. Not going to get quite the same

1456
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:51,960
Speaker 4: love as Marvin Harrison Junior, but somebody who I think

1457
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:53,880
Speaker 4: is a little bit smaller but can obviously come in

1458
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:54,599
Speaker 4: and make an impact.

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Speaker 1: What do I know, right?

1460
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:58,679
Speaker 4: We just watched these guys every Saturday for four years.

1461
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:02,920
Speaker 4: Let us know your We're at Soliverble on Twitter, send

1462
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 4: us a z.

1463
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:05,160
Speaker 1: Let us know your.

1464
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 4: Thoughts on Instagram, on Facebook, wherever it is that you've

1465
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:10,760
Speaker 4: got social media, or just plain old email Soliverble at

1466
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:11,639
Speaker 4: gmail dot com.

1467
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:14,040
Speaker 1: Who is your guy?

1468
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 2: Who's your guy?

1469
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 1: Who you hitching your wagon to? Let us know?

1470
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 2: Are you gonna sit you sit and watch the draft

1471
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 2: Thursday night? How much of it do you sit down

1472
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:22,640
Speaker 2: in front of the TV? How much are you just

1473
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:25,760
Speaker 2: scanning apps as you're going about your very exciting life.

1474
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 1: I will process very exciting life, thank you. I will.

1475
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:33,879
Speaker 4: I will watch until we get to like pick twenty,

1476
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:38,880
Speaker 4: and then I'll probably fall asleep okay, and then I'll

1477
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:40,759
Speaker 4: wake up and check the apps to see what I missed.

1478
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 2: It just takes so long between picks in the first round.

1479
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 4: But it has gotten better with the way that they

1480
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 4: structure it now, making kind of the main event on

1481
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 4: Thursday night, I think is a considerably better viewing experience

1482
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 4: than it.

1483
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:55,639
Speaker 1: Was in the past.

1484
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 2: Or is it Detroit this year?

1485
01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:59,479
Speaker 1: Detroit? Yeah looks like Yeah, looks great.

1486
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 2: These last few years, I play like my old man

1487
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:05,680
Speaker 2: tennis Thursday nights, and it's probably more valuable for me

1488
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 2: to sweat off of all the pizza that I eat

1489
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 2: than to sit down and watch the draft. I actually

1490
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:14,600
Speaker 2: really like the night and morning between the first and

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Speaker 2: second round where we're like, oh, this guy wasn't taking

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Speaker 2: these are the best available, Like where are they gonna go?

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Speaker 2: Are they gonna jump right off the board right away?

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Speaker 2: And then when the picks start coming, you know, fast

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Speaker 2: and furious. I love that that, like, oh they grabbed

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Speaker 2: this guy. Oh man, Cody Schrager was playing D two

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Speaker 2: football two years ago, Like, I love that. That's cool

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Speaker 2: to me. Where it starts to become rapid fire.

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Speaker 4: We will most certainly be getting a call in this

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Speaker 4: sin from Uncle Joe.

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Speaker 1: About what the Giants did.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and then there will be multiple follow up calls

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Speaker 4: after the fact, and there will be a conversation at

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Speaker 4: some point late on Sunday.

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Speaker 2: I thought you guys were Eagles fans. Now thats Saquon

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Speaker 2: moved on over.

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Speaker 4: I'm not above becoming an Eagles fan, all right. I'm

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Speaker 4: very close to switching allegiance because of that.

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Speaker 2: Kelly Green is beautiful. If I do say so.

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Speaker 4: Much, I can't see it, but I'm very close, very

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Speaker 4: close to switching allegiance. And that phone call that I

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Speaker 4: get from Uncle Joe after everything, it'll of course happen

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Speaker 4: in heat of the moment. Six overall pick if they

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Speaker 4: keep it. But then the call that I get on Sunday,

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Speaker 4: I think is going to dictate a lot. Yeah, that

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Speaker 4: that kind of overall, overarching view of what the Giants did,

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Speaker 4: that's gonna I dig it. Be very faithful in terms

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Speaker 4: of am I sticking with this team or not?

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Speaker 2: Are you going to record the call? Is Pennsylvania a

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Speaker 2: one party party?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I should probably look into it.

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Speaker 2: Pennsylvania one party.

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Speaker 1: I'll get verbal consent.

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Speaker 2: All parties have to consent to the conversation. Pennsylvania makes

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Speaker 2: it a crime to intercept or record a telephone caller

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Speaker 2: conversation less all parties to the conversation consent.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I just have to get that on tape then

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Speaker 1: that he can sense.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if there's any sort of rico reason

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Speaker 2: to record with Uncle Joe, then maybe you can get

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Speaker 2: a judge to give you that warrant.

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Speaker 1: That'll make put on my lawyer hat. Okay, look fun show.

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Speaker 4: As always, we appreciate Nate's time and give us a

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Speaker 4: kind of insight. You guys know what to do out there.

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Speaker 4: Of course, check us out for ballers dot com. Send

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Speaker 4: in your thoughts. Who is your can't miss prospect in

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Speaker 4: the twenty twenty four NFL Draft. We of course will

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Speaker 4: be watching from our vantage point here as a college

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Speaker 4: football podcast. We also have a second part, a second

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Speaker 4: part related to the draft, but not this draft, a

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Speaker 4: little bit of a tease. We'll talk about that in

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Speaker 4: due course. In the meantime.

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Speaker 1: For myself, Tie.

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Speaker 4: Hilde Rent, for that guy over there, my good friend

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Speaker 4: Dan Ruberstein, thanks for tuning in, supporting being part of

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Speaker 4: everything that we do.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk y'all soon. Stay solid, Yes,