WEBVTT - Update: Missing Auburn Student Found Dead In Kyoto 0:00:02.120 --> 0:00:05.480 Hey, folks, did its Sunday, June seventh, and an awful 0:00:05.640 --> 0:00:07.880 update to bring you on a developing story we've been 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:11.799 keeping an eye on the past week. A missing Auburn 0:00:12.200 --> 0:00:16.320 University student gone missing in Japan on a trip with 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:20.920 his family has been found dead in Kyoto, and with that, 0:00:20.960 --> 0:00:23.560 welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:24.479 Rose. 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:28.159 This didn't look good from the very beginning, but I 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:31.720 have to remember this kid's been missing since May twenty ninth, 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:33.760 on what was supposed to be a celebratory trip. 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:37.640 Yes, they were celebrating his younger brother who had just 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:40.839 graduated from high school. So yeah, they were going on 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:45.519 this big planned family trip to Japan. And this is 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:49.600 not how any of them anticipated this ending. And we 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:53.559 felt the urgency from his family, who had said they 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:58.320 felt like he might have been in emotional distress and 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:01.600 he had just stayed behind while they went off to 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:06.640 go tour I believe, a local monastery, and that's when 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:09.560 they saw his life three sixty moving and they realized 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:12.080 he was headed somewhere that they didn't know. 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:15.720 And so you've seen the name probably folks in a 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:20.400 few headlines. Western higginbotham twenty years old. This is a 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:25.000 kid who attended the university I say University of but 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:28.160 Auburn University. I say University of because anytime I think 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:30.960 about a school in the state of Alabama, like they say, 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:34.160 when you're born there, you have to make the first 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:35.760 decision of your life is is it going to be 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:39.280 Auburn or is it going to be Alabama? So University 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:41.800 of Alabama and Auburn University is in my head. But 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:46.480 Arburn University student twenty years old, biosystems engineering major and 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:50.280 also of note, he is an accomplished hiker. But he 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:54.640 has been The mom put out a statement and the 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:58.080 family has been giving almost daily updates. But they have 0:01:58.160 --> 0:01:59.640 put out a statement. We're going to let you hear here. 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:05.920 Momentes the difficult part of this, and we don't know 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:11.160 for sure what happened beforehand, but a lot of focus 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:13.359 was put on what was going on with him before 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:17.200 he went away from his family. A again, a group 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:20.760 of four and it started at Robes and I've immediately 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:24.119 thought about this mom and just as a parent, and 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:31.480 how they explained their last interaction was not necessarily loving. 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:33.880 They got into a spat, and that seemed like that 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:36.280 was part of the reason he ended up going his 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:36.679 own way. 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:39.119 Yeah, and when you hear, look, I know, you're never 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:42.160 fighting about what you're fighting about. And probably we say 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:45.280 that in relationships, but I'm sure it's any relationship, even 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:49.440 a family dynamic, you've got these, you know, these triggers. 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:52.080 And it didn't seem like a big deal because the 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:56.000 mom said that he was upset with her for having 0:02:56.120 --> 0:02:59.280 planned the vacation using chat GPT. 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:02.320 He said he was a naturalist, he was a purist. 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:05.840 He I'm guessing that falls in line with being against 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:08.240 AI of any kind. And I'm not sure how it 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:10.840 came up while they were halfway through their trip. They 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:13.280 were a week into their trip that he found out 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:17.560 or she talked about having used AI chat GPT to 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:21.040 plan their Japanese trip, where they were going and how 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:23.320 they were getting there, and it upset him. 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:28.200 It seems like a small thing to us, like you 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:30.040 just said, and we hear it all the time. Did 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:34.600 your mom, did you just give always? Okay? So that's 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:37.200 part of it. Seemed a little odd that that would 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:40.000 set the family off in such a way that he 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:42.120 was so upset that he needed to go off and 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:44.400 be by himself. We haven't said, yet let me say 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:46.480 this off the top at this point, Ropes, there's no 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:49.000 indication of foul play. We did not say that yet. 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:50.600 We do not know a cause of death, but no 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:53.640 indication of foul play as what we're giving. But go 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:58.200 back to the argument, Ropes, He goes off. He's so upset, 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:00.880 he needs a minute, he needs a moment to where 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:05.840 he would go to a foreign country, into an area 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:09.840 he's unfamiliar with, a language he doesn't speak, and start 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:11.320 a hike at eight o'clock at night. 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:15.160 Correct, And before he starts the hike, it seems like, 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:18.839 if there's no foul play indicated, he chose to turn 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:20.320 off his location services. 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:22.040 So that's all deliberative. 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:23.799 Like the only thought would be if it were foul 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:26.279 play and someone took his phone or turned off his phone, 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:27.640 that would be one thing. 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:29.960 But it doesn't seem like that's the case. 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:32.160 And we should mention as well the other part. We well, 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:34.800 did he run out of juice on his phone? This 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:37.080 is a possibility and it went out there, but no, 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:39.920 she says the last indication again, many of you don't 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:42.640 have to explain, yo, you life through sixty with your kids. 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:45.680 You can see the amount of power left they have 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:47.560 on their phones. You can even tell if it's being 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:52.040 charged in that moment. So thirty seven percent, I think, 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:55.960 if I remember right, they saw he had that much 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:58.559 power left in his phone. When the phone then goes 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:02.279 out rope, doesn't seem like he ran out of power. 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:06.200 So an intentional move to turn off your location services 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:09.320 after a minor spat. 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:11.920 Yeah, that it seems extreme. 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:14.839 And then look they had said, We mentioned he was 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:18.000 an experienced hiker. He had traveled and hiked this was 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:21.600 so impressive to me the Pyrenees Mountains in Europe by himself. 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:24.440 So this is a kid who, said they said, knew 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:26.120 how to spend the night in the woods on his own. 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:29.120 They he knew how to forage for food on his own. 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:32.280 This was a kid who they were hopeful if he 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:34.279 got lost, that was their best case scenario. 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:36.479 He's angry, he storms off into. 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:38.400 The woods at night because that was his happy place, 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:40.920 according to his parents, that's where he went when he 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:44.040 wanted space or wanted to get his head right. And 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:46.880 he was clearly upset with his family in that moment 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:50.240 when they had left, So they were thinking, okay, maybe 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:53.480 he got lost. That was their best hope. So we 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:55.560 don't know the cause of death. But it was a 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:59.400 group of search volunteers correct who ended up finding him. 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:02.640 This was a mountainous area outside of Kyoto that just 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:06.080 has a tremendous amount of hiking trails. 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:09.560 And coupled with they did have awful rains over the 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:11.920 past week. Again, it's been a week in a couple 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:14.440 of days here, so they even thought that might wash 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:19.120 away evidence or even wash I don't know, his things 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:22.360 away to a different area to where he maybe wasn't 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:24.120 where is the last place they've been looking, So all 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:27.880 of that factors in robes. It just it is when 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:30.760 you take into account, it doesn't seem likely that a 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:35.360 kid who was pretty adept at yes, hiking and surviving 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:37.400 and being smart enough to know, oh it's a little dark, 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:40.039 I should get out of here. I've turned around that 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:44.200 just an accident. Accidents do happen, obviously robes. Obviously they do. 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:47.279 It's just the likelihood of one with the guy who 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:49.960 actually knows what he's doing. The chances are low, but 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:50.880 the chance is there. 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:54.760 Correct, And anytime any averd hiker knows that the worst 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:56.800 thing you can do is to go hiking by yourself. 0:06:56.839 --> 0:07:00.000 That is the biggest no no, because yes, things do happen, 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:04.560 and wildlife you can encounter, and there are twists and 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:07.840 turns and steep hills and slippery Yes, you need somebody 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:10.360 there to be there in case an accident or worst 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:11.400 case scenario does happen. 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:12.800 And in fact it's a note. 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:15.200 The family who went out initially searching for him, the 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:17.560 mom one of the videos, she said they had to 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:23.880 turn around because they encountered wildlife they were not prepared for. So, look, 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:25.800 there's a lot of stuff going on in those woods. 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:28.640 But it is interesting when they said they found him, 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:31.520 they didn't. You would think if it was some awful accident, 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:34.200 they would say he had fallen down a cliff, or 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:36.440 had they found him at the bottom of a ravine, 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:38.680 or they it looked like there was an act. 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:42.320 They said nothing. So that also is of note. Saying 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:44.120 nothing is saying something. 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:46.280 Is that a thing? Is what the other part of 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:48.640 that you said, any hiker knows it's almost a rule 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:50.800 one you don't hike alone. I mean it's a rule 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:52.440 too not to hike at night. I mean who goes 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:54.480 in night? You just don't do most trails even close 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:54.800 at night. 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:56.400 A lot of trails close at dusk. 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:58.320 Yes, you can have a headlamp, and yes, some people 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:01.480 can do it, but no, it's certainly not advised at all. 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:04.200 And look, if you're anyone who hikes, they usually have 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:06.920 a at trailheads. I don't know what it's like in Japan, 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:09.800 but they'll have trailheads where you actually sign in so 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:12.560 the park ranger or whoever is overseeing the trail, there 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:15.000 are safety measures that are in place just to make 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:17.120 sure that if you do get lost, there is a 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:19.000 record of when you went on the trail, when you 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:21.880 went into the trail that someone can reference and look 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:23.480 at if you don't have your phone off or your 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:26.880 phone runs out of juice. So yes, most people who 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:30.040 go into these woods obviously go into the woods with 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:32.760 safety in mind and take a lot of these precautions 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:36.040 to make sure. What happened to Weston, And we don't 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:38.640 know what happened to Weston, if it was an accident, 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:40.200 you can prevent a lot of them. 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:43.680 And Robes. The last thing on this point with the 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:47.560 back and forth with the mom robes and I said 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:50.840 that the use of that language, why did they choose 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:54.640 those words? Right? Because initially the thing was described as 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:57.680 having a just a little nothing of a spat with 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:01.160 your mom. He's going to go blossom steam, no big deal, 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:04.760 is how it was described. But Robes they used a 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:08.040 different set of words to describe what his mental state 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:09.920 might be. And those were the words that jumped out 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:12.880 at me. You don't do you use that language if 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:14.880 you're just saying, hey, he got pissed, he went to 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:17.240 blow some steam. So this is crazy. It makes no sense. 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:20.120 We know something's happened to him, but they use different language. R. 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:23.520 Yes, they said that this was an urgent situation because 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:27.080 they felt like their son might be under emotional distress. Look, 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:29.920 they know the backstory of Weston in a way none 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:30.400 of us do. 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:33.600 They know where his head is or was. They know 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:37.840 maybe how fragile he might have been in that moment. 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:40.840 We all go through periods in our life and look, 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:43.880 being a junior in college, having I even saw my 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:46.880 daughters struggle like what's next, what's happening. There's a lot 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:49.600 of stress and pressure for kids that age, and maybe 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:51.440 it doesn't take much. And if you're already in a 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:54.240 fragile state and the people who you trust most just 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:56.600 upset you more than anyone else, which is your family. 0:09:57.120 --> 0:09:58.880 You know, we don't know what they. 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:01.520 Knew about his mental health, but they certainly suggested that 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:02.800 it was not in a great place. 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:05.640 Yeah, well, I just that was from the jump when 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:10.079 we started doing this story. That language suggests something else 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:12.439 going on with him. You don't use that if your 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:16.000 son is just pissed it to the point you could 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:18.439 almost say he was being a brat or knuckle in 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:19.520 a normal situation. 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:24.360 Yeah, your mom using AI because you were against AI. Okay, 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:27.800 calm down, you little twenty year old who hasn't experienced 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:29.959 the world yet, who thinks he knows best. 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:31.280 Yes, of course, but. 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:35.000 We never got to that because she used those words 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:38.440 that let us all know, wait a minute, Wait a minute, 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:43.120 it seems like something beyond So the thought of this 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:46.079 and those parents, they know what happened in that back 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:50.440 and forth. You just can't help but your heart goes 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:52.920 out to them as a parent, to think, Wow, what 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:55.400 did I say wrong in that last moment? What did 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:57.560 we do wrong in that last moment. I'm not getting 0:10:57.559 --> 0:10:59.719 on obviously for the parents, but I'm saying right oh, 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:03.320 that that's gotta be devastating. 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:07.760 That is a worst case scenario, because you just think 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:09.520 if I had just said this, if I had just 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:10.800 done that, I could have. 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:12.680 They didn't know he was going to leave. 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:15.400 They left him there in their hotel room, thinking he 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:18.240 was going to stay put, that he was annoyed and 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:20.080 he didn't want to be with his family and that 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:22.240 was it, and they were going to comeback, and maybe 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:24.960 he would have ordered takeout and fallen asleep. 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:28.040 But folks, stay here. We told you that the family 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:31.200 has been giving regular updates. They have been very much 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:34.280 out there, putting out statements on video and ridden statements. Well, 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:37.800 they did give another statement confirming that they had found 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:40.079 their son. He had been found, they had found his body. 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:42.720 Will let you hear every word of that statement in 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:47.160 just a moment, and we will also make one more plea, 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:50.920 one more case, one more psa if you will, for 0:11:51.040 --> 0:12:03.760 why everybody needs life. Three sixties there, all right, Welcome 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:06.960 back here, everybody to Amy and TJ. The update we 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:11.360 are getting this morning that, in fact, the twenty year 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:13.760 old Auburn University student who has been missing for the 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:17.520 past week plus after going on a trip with his 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:21.360 family and going his own way, taking a hike by himself, 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:25.079 turning off his location services. The hope was that maybe 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:27.400 he was blowing off some steam, maybe got lost somewhere. 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:30.040 But they have found his body in this mountainous region 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:33.680 in Kyoto. No cause of death has been given at 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:36.320 this point. But Robes I was saying, we have been. 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:39.560 Look the family has been and this is what. Look. 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:43.040 A lot of families are better at this than others, 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:45.360 I should say, but Robe, many people will tell you. 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:47.680 You put it out there, you get attention, you get 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:51.280 involved with police, you get active on social media. This 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:54.400 family had been with videos and postings, but this was 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:57.480 the one. Now, Robes, we have got from the family 0:12:57.800 --> 0:12:59.280 letting us know that they had found their son. 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:04.720 Yes, and Keith higgin Botham have been making these police 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:08.280 right next to each other, talking directly to people, and 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:10.320 it was effective. They got a lot of attention for 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:12.760 their son, They got a lot of eyes, they got 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:14.680 a lot of help there in Japan, and it was 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:18.120 in fact a volunteer search group that found their son. Ultimately, 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:20.520 so all of those please for help did work. It 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:24.400 just was the outcome they were hoping wouldn't be the 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:27.280 one that they ended up with. So this was their 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:30.800 family statement. It reads, our family is heartbroken to share 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:34.720 that Weston was found deceased by a volunteer search and 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:38.280 rescue group in a mountainous area outside of Kyoto. The 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:42.120 grief we feel is impossible to put into words. We 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:45.400 are forever grateful for the time we had with our sweet, 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:49.640 precious Weston, but cannot begin to understand what life without 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:52.760 him will be like. We are deeply grateful to the 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:56.800 countless people across the United States, Japan, and around the 0:13:56.800 --> 0:14:00.640 world who shared Weston's story, prayed for our our family, 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:05.200 offered encouragement, and helped in the search efforts. The outpouring 0:14:05.200 --> 0:14:08.400 of kindness and support has carried us through the darkest 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:11.679 days of our lives. We shared our story here and 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:14.600 in the media in the hopes of finding Weston. We 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:17.920 now ask for privacy as we begin to navigate this 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:21.720 unimaginable loss. Thank you for your thoughts, prayers, and support. 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:25.800 We will need them now more than ever. We will 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:29.200 always love you, Weston. That is heartbreaking. 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:33.680 Who wrote that? And I say that because I don't 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:37.160 know how they were able to put a coherent sentence 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:40.440 together given what they have gone through. I don't know 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:43.960 how they were able to do that. This is this 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:47.320 top twenty a year away from graduation, the whole life 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:49.840 ahead kind of a situation. You know, it's devastating to 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:55.400 any campus community with something like this. It's just I'm 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:57.920 so curious to know what happened. I just hated for 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:00.640 this family and I hate the way. Look, any loss 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:03.200 is one thing, right, you never supposed toutlive your child. 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:06.480 But when they describe ropes, that last interaction in the 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:08.600 back and forth and just wonder and just what the 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:11.840 family's going through, that's something on top of the loss. 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:14.720 Almost it's that's awful. 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:16.600 It does feel, it feels unbearable. 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:20.320 You start thinking, yes, he's twenty years old, biosystems engineering major, 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:23.640 smart kid, could have done amazing things with his life, 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:28.080 and it just it's just it's one tragic moment, one 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:32.160 tragic decision on one quick where if someone had been there, 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:34.160 if they hadn't gone to the monastery. I mean you 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:36.520 just all of the what ifs and should haves and 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:39.120 could haves are what are going to drive this family crazy. 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:42.920 And we certainly hope that those prayers and those thoughts 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:45.680 that they are felt and that they are received. It 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:49.080 sounds like they are, but yes, that is to me 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:51.920 one of the worst possible scenario as a parent could 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:52.360 ever face. 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:54.400 And we pay attention to this story, and if we 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:57.920 get a positive out of it, maybe is that you 0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:01.680 need to download Life three sixty. Now we do not 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:06.800 in any way work for paid for sponsored by Life 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:09.280 three sixty, but if you ever you follow us, we 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:11.880 talk about it quite a bit here. And I can 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:14.320 still remember the moment at tavern on the Green, sitting 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:17.200 having Dirty Martinez with Sonny hostin from the view and 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:19.920 she pulled up her phone and was keeping up with 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:22.680 her kids, and I'm like, what are you doing? And 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:25.600 they're older, and she showed me the Life three sixty 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:27.680 and she said, yeah, I see exactly where he is, 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:30.000 what he's doing. She showed me a thing to where 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:33.360 she knew he was speeding because it even tracks how 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:37.800 fast you are going if you're moving. Now, Robes, that's 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:41.880 one thing, and you know the sound Now on my phone, 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:44.080 he said, oops, the bean's on the move. Yep, because 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:47.040 it will let me know when she arrives at school, 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:49.840 when she leaves where she's not supposed to be. I 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:54.200 can track this kid everywhere. But Ropes, this is the 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:57.080 other part I didn't realize and it's a story that 0:16:57.280 --> 0:17:00.240 needs to be heard that has to do with Anna, 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:04.399 you and I. My daughter is younger, Sabina is the 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:08.120 little one. She's thirteen in all of our group of folks, right, 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:10.520 so I can track her. She's got no choice in 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:14.480 the matter. Your daughter's twenty and twenty three don't like 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:17.639 for Mama to track them. But then we're both amazed 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:19.840 that all of our daughters will let all of their 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:24.399 friends track them on, whether it's Life three sixty or Snapchat. 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:25.480 Where it is chat more than anything else. 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:33.560 Snapchat mostly, but Robes, your daughter turned off her location services, 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:35.800 and I think about it because this family said, it's 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:39.440 so out of the ordinary. This doesn't happen. He doesn't 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:43.960 do that. Your daughter explained the story to us, was 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:47.119 this yesterday or the day before? Antalie's telling the story 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:50.679 of what happens right when you do something out of 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:55.119 the norm, when people are tracking you. Robes, she told 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:58.000 that story, and I said, holy hell. Everybody needs to 0:17:58.040 --> 0:17:59.240 have somebody looking out for them. 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:04.600 Yep, exactly. You need to know when when someone is 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:07.320 in distress. And if someone's in emotional distress and they 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:10.399 turn off their location services, the first thing that ends 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:12.760 up happening is everyone starts texting you, what's going on? 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:15.000 Where are you? Why did you turn off your locations? 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:17.720 It's almost as if that crowd knows when you turn 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:20.920 off your system or your location services, that it's because 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:22.960 you're upset and you don't want people to know where 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:23.200 you are. 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:25.040 And that's the time when you actually need people to 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:25.439 check in. 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:28.320 Well, where was she? That would by the river by 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:28.600 the water? 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:31.520 It was actually ava. But yeah, it's fine. I get 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:33.000 them confused all the time time. 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:35.679 I usually don't at all. They're hard to get confused, 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:37.159 to be honest with you, they're very different. 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:40.159 But yeah, but she started getting like immediately said to 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:43.679 the point where it was hilarious because she wanted some peace, 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:47.680 and it ended up creating a anything but piece because 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:49.720 everyone was checking in on her. But that had to 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:52.360 feel good in the moment, like, oh my god, everyone 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:56.440 somehow got an alert or realized that she had turned 0:18:56.440 --> 0:18:57.440 off her location. 0:18:57.160 --> 0:19:03.680 Services, and they reacted and they responded, and they almost 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:09.159 to a point Robes saw this as an emergency situation 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:12.840 that we need to go save her. She's in trouble. 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:17.639 Robes Life three sixty, Snapchat, whatever it may be, and 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:19.960 as much as we rail on technology and is annoying, 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:21.840 you don't want to be tracked robes. There is a 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:25.560 safety element involved, not in just in knowing where someone is, 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:29.200 but you can also know maybe how they're doing when 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:32.240 they start acting differently, even though they're right from the 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:34.720 not right in front of you, But that is behavior 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:38.680 that signals that something is going on. Ropes these services. Now, 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:41.280 when hearing this story with him and hearing just AA 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:43.000 the other day tell that story, I was like. 0:19:43.000 --> 0:19:45.960 Wow, yes, I know, I'm thinking now the moment you 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:48.800 see your kids like like, especially if that's out of 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:52.240 the ordinary and they're normally okay with the on location. 0:19:52.560 --> 0:19:55.199 When it's turned off, you get up from wherever you 0:19:55.280 --> 0:20:00.920 are and you race for their last known place references, right, 0:20:00.960 --> 0:20:02.760 I mean, I'm sure that's what they're thinking now, but 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:06.240 it may not have been in time. But at the 0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:09.159 very least, these services work and they do help and 0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:10.439 they can be life saving. 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:15.280 But again, twenty year old Western Higginbotham. He has been 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:18.040 found in Japan. His body has been found, no cause 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:22.959 of death just yet. But as they say, keep that family, 0:20:23.040 --> 0:20:26.480