1 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:05,279 Speaker 1: We still cut trees down by hand. We still handcut. 2 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: It's still work. 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,879 Speaker 2: But I mean what we do now it ain't nothing 4 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 2: like what it used to be. 5 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 3: If you think about the industries that made America, it 6 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 3: would be hard to argue that the login industry wasn't 7 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:23,760 Speaker 3: among the most influential in making this country. Wood built 8 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 3: this place. This episode is a fresh look at some 9 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 3: modern loggers friends of mine, as a matter of fact, 10 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 3: good friends. This is a story about the inherent danger 11 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 3: in the login profession. These guys share their own experiences, 12 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 3: but they'll share accounts of others they knew who were 13 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 3: killed on the job. This is a biographical piece on 14 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 3: one family of loggers in the Ozarks of Newton County, Arkansas, 15 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 3: with the last name the Lines and Hey Bear, John 16 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 3: Nukom and I are starting a new Bear Grease YouTube channel. 17 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, it's the old Bear Hunting 18 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 3: magazine YouTube channel. We just changed the name and we're 19 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 3: having some completely new content. We're gonna have a weekly 20 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 3: content on there, and the first piece drops on February 21 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 3: the eleventh. You can do us a huge favor by 22 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 3: going over and checking it out. 23 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 4: Gonna be a ton of fun. 24 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 3: My name is Clay Nukeom and this is the Bear 25 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 3: Grease Podcast, where we'll explore things forgotten but relevant, search 26 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 3: for insight and unlikely places, and where we'll tell the 27 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 3: story of Americans who live their lives close to the land. 28 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 3: Brought to you by to COVID's Quality boots in Western Wear, 29 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:53,559 Speaker 3: point your toes West. 30 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 4: Have you ever been hurt bad logging? 31 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 5: I have none. 32 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 1: I broke my foot. I've been hung up a time 33 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: or two, got my arm hung and hung up. Yeah, 34 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: I got one. I got my arm stuck one time. 35 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 3: This is Cody Velines, and don't be fooled by him 36 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 3: saying he's never been hurt bad. 37 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 4: His definition of hurt is different than most. 38 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 3: He's got a full salt and pepper beard, and it's 39 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 3: kind of wild eyed. When you first meet him, you 40 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 3: can't tell if he's a little crazy or just really smart. 41 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 3: After getting to know him, I think he's both. We're 42 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 3: standing inside the global headquarters of the Vilins Logging Company. 43 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 4: I want to hear what he meant by getting hung up. 44 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,679 Speaker 1: Me and Dad and Frankiedale were logging. And you don't 45 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: know Frankidale. But if you even say you ain't had 46 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 1: to say Frankie Dale around here. You can just say 47 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: frank and every I didn't know what who you're talking about. 48 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 6: But I worked with him. I worked with him for 49 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 6: several years. 50 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: And he were skitting logs way up out of there. 51 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 1: It's like two inches down, and that was hot. And 52 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: I'd been skinning. He was cutting, and I'd been skinning, 53 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 1: and he said, if you'll buck those logs up, I'll 54 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 1: give you a break on skarting them up out of there. 55 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 6: I said, sounded like a deal to me. 56 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: So Frank with the skinning, and I was cutting up 57 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: logs by hand, and we had a stick that was like. 58 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 6: Some people would cut a stick for four and some people. 59 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,239 Speaker 1: Would have a major stick that was a full eight eight, 60 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: which is what TI logs are supposed to be. 61 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 6: We had a stick that was for four. 62 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: And I was cutting up logs and I dropped my 63 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: stick down in the log pile. And at this time, I'm, 64 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: you know, early twenties, from the middle twenties. You know, 65 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: I've been doing it for a long time. But then 66 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: and I wrench you in there to grab my stick, 67 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: and when I stuck my arm down in there, the 68 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: log above rolled and faced me. And it was a 69 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: big log, a big one, big old red oak, and 70 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: there I was stuck. And it's hot summertime. Now I 71 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: can't even move it by yourself and by myself. Dad's 72 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: gone with a load of logs, and Frank's in the 73 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,039 Speaker 1: botto in this canyon coming back with another dragon logs. Well, 74 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: I can hear him one old five eighteen caterpillar just pulling, pulling, 75 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 1: slowly pulling, coming up out of that canyon. And it's 76 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: starting to hurt. I mean, it's really hurting. And I 77 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: can hear Frank coming up to there. And I finally 78 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 1: get to where I can see him, and he's coming 79 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: up through there. And Frank smoked in He smoked the 80 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: more USA golds. That's where he smoked. I can see 81 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: Frank on that skin he's smoking that. 82 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 6: Cigarette he loved. 83 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: Over there where I was at. He just stopped got 84 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: off here. It come just in a walk. He walked 85 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: up there. 86 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 6: He's still smoking that cigarette. 87 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 7: He says, boy, you're in a trap, ain't you. 88 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: I said, get me out of here. He never got excited, 89 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: walked back over into the skinny. Then come over there, 90 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 1: and I'm thinking he's gonna tear my arm off when 91 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: he starts pushing on this log file. He's up there, 92 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: and he he got me out. 93 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 4: Running around with these guys. 94 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 3: I've noticed that stories kind of gathered themselves up around them, 95 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 3: stories about people. We're gonna hear more about this Frankie 96 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 3: Dell later. And these guys are really good at telling 97 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 3: these stories. And each one carries a value system that 98 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 3: stands out to me as unique in modern times. 99 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 4: That's mainly why I'm here along with Cody. 100 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 3: Actually right beside us is his slightly younger cousin, younger 101 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 3: by six months, Kaylin Vilines. We've now moved outside of 102 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 3: their main building. It's a little windy, but the view 103 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 3: is noteworthy. So Kaylan from we're standing right here and 104 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 3: we can see like about one hundred and eighty degrees vista. 105 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 3: Have you logged with insight of here? I mean we 106 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 3: can see like miles. 107 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 8: Oh, absolutely, any direction you look, pretty much. I've I've logged, 108 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 8: maybe not all of it, but any direction you can 109 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 8: look from here. 110 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 5: We've definitely worked. 111 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 4: What your dad used to tell you. 112 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 8: Oh, dad used to say when I was a kid, we'd 113 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 8: stand right here and he'd say, Son, anywhere you can 114 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 8: see I've been he's either working or hunting, and I 115 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 8: can pretty much say the same thing. 116 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 5: Now. 117 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 3: What I hadn't told you yet is these guys are 118 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 3: also really good hunters. They're deer hunters, they're squirrel dog men, 119 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 3: they're coon hunters. They've all got mules, they're just woodsmen. 120 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 3: You rarely see Kaylin without a cup of coffee in 121 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 3: his hand, day or night. And he's always got on 122 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 3: his light tan felt cowboy hat. That's warning so good 123 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 3: you think he probably sleeps in it. But the lines 124 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 3: logging main facility is impressive. It's a fifty foot wide, 125 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 3: three sided metal barn with a semi truck, a John 126 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 3: Deere dozer, and a skidder and loader parked underneath it. 127 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 3: There's no indoor office, no secretaries or printers. As a 128 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 3: matter of fact, the parking lot is a pasture. The 129 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 3: only employees are Cody Kaylin and Teddy Viliines, Cody's dad. 130 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 3: The open side of the barn faces one hundred and 131 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 3: eighty degree view of purplish hills that look like a 132 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 3: rolling sea where giant waves rise out of deep troughs. 133 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 3: To me, it's the location of this fine building that 134 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 3: makes it stand out. It's its orientation to the sunrise 135 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 3: and how its open design gives one the feeling of 136 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 3: freedom even while inside, which leads me to think that 137 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 3: this building's designers must have been educated in America's finest 138 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 3: halls of architecture. It's inspiring yet functional, but all you 139 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 3: can see in any direction is trees. That's what the 140 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 3: land has given this family, and that's what they've used 141 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 3: to make a living. 142 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 4: So what kind of saw is that? 143 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 5: It? 144 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: Is? 145 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 5: A steal? A five hundred die? 146 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 4: And how long will this saw? 147 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 5: Last? 148 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 6: Year? 149 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 5: Oh? 150 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 8: I usually if I can get a year out of one, 151 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 8: I've done pretty good. 152 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 3: Kaylin and Cody have been raised within sight of each 153 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 3: other and have worked together their entire lives. As a 154 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 3: matter of fact, their dads, who are brothers, Eddie and Teddy, 155 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 3: also live within a quarter mile of where we're standing 156 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 3: and have also worked together their entire lives in the logwoods. 157 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 3: Question of the ages for both of you, there's a 158 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 3: lot of things y'all can do to make a living. 159 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 4: Why are you a logger? 160 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 6: Like? 161 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 4: What are the benefits of it? 162 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 6: For me? 163 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 7: The biggest benefit, I mean number one. 164 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: If you're gonna do it, you gotta you gotta love it, 165 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: you gotta want to do it. And for the most 166 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: part around here, the guys that do it are boring 167 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: into it. Honestly. I mean, if you really look around, 168 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 1: it's a family deal. But the as benefits from me, 169 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:18,199 Speaker 1: the freedom. 170 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 7: That's the number one reason, your own boss. 171 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: That's why I do it. Yep, yep, that's a benefit. 172 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,839 Speaker 1: I mean, I like it. I enjoy it. Cutting timber 173 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: it's addictive. It's like a drug. Cutting timber is addictive. 174 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: Ask anybody, it's addictive. But the biggest benefit to the whole, 175 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: biggest scheme of it is the freedom. 176 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 4: What's that freedom look like for you? 177 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 5: When you wake up? 178 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: If I want to go hunting tomorrow, then I go 179 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: hunting tomorrow. 180 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 7: I don't have to call the boss. 181 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 6: I just say, all right, boys, we're going hunting to morrow. 182 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: And we're going hunting tomorrow. 183 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, what about you, Kaylen? 184 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, I was going. 185 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 8: He took the words in my mouth. That's Dad always said, 186 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 8: Well I was born into it. Yeah, well we're Yeah, 187 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 8: we were born into it. Though Dad tried to talk 188 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 8: me out of all my life. 189 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, but it was but it was his fault. 190 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 7: Got to talk you out of it still made you 191 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 7: get them go. 192 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 8: Yeah, they made us get up and go. And people 193 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,839 Speaker 8: think we're exaggerating line, but we were probably eight nine 194 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 8: year old when we started going. Yeah, we didn't have 195 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,199 Speaker 8: a summer vacation. We went to logwoods. 196 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: I started the seventh grade with my foot in the 197 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: walking boot. Dad and ed aunt know who had what, 198 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: but I think Dad had a McCollough. Dad had a 199 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: seven hundred McCollough. That aady had an Xcel twelve home lot. 200 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: And they let us use those chain saws. 201 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:40,559 Speaker 5: Now, they made us use it when. 202 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 7: We were like, you know, fifth sixth grade. 203 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 1: In the summer between the sixth and seventh grade, they 204 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: bought us to brand spanking News, still old twenty sixes, 205 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: and we started bucking up logged by hand. And I 206 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: got my foot broke in the bucket ball and I 207 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: started the seventh grade on my foot in the walking boot. 208 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: The first day of school, I had a brand spanking 209 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:04,599 Speaker 1: new teacher, and she came from eastern Arkansas. Really what 210 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: it did, and then the whole lot about this way 211 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: of life around here, and. 212 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 7: She said what do you do to your foot? 213 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:12,839 Speaker 1: And I said, I was cutting up logs and I 214 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: got one on my foot and I broke it, and 215 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: she said, we mean cutting up logs. 216 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 7: I said, I was cutting up logs with a chainsaw 217 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 7: and she. 218 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: Said, you were running the chainsaw and I said, yeah, yeah, I. 219 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 7: Was working in the woods. The rest of the teachers 220 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 7: around there really wasn't that big of a deal. 221 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: I mean, but they just blew her mind. 222 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 6: You know. 223 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 3: Cody points at a bulldozer and starts telling me what 224 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 3: they've been doing today. 225 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 6: See that odd right there? Yeah right here, yep, that's new. 226 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 6: Now that's new. 227 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 3: So this is your dozer that you carry all over 228 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:47,839 Speaker 3: the place for cutting roads. 229 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 6: Now it is. Yeah, he bought this. He bought this 230 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 6: though last year. 231 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 3: So the reason tell me why a logger has a dozer. 232 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,599 Speaker 8: Well, we didn't for years, and we've done all of 233 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:02,839 Speaker 8: the road pushing with them skidter, and we've got a 234 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 8: little nicer equipment. Now this dozer makes it a whole 235 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 8: lot better getting a good road in and making good 236 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,199 Speaker 8: bed in there your landing spot for your logs. 237 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 3: So you may you may have to cut logs in 238 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 3: a spot way back in somewhere. 239 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 5: Oh absolutely, and you just got to get. 240 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 4: A road in there to get your trucks in there, right, 241 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 4: so you need a dozen. 242 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 3: So how much of logging is taking care of your equipment? 243 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 3: Because it's like you didn't work today, but you did work. 244 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 3: You didn't work, you didn't cut any trees today. 245 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 8: We didn't make any money today. We had to work today. Yeah, 246 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 8: you have to maintain your equipment. 247 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 4: I'll tell you about this truck over. 248 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 5: Well, let the boss tell you by the truck he drives. 249 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 5: A truck. 250 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 4: Cody can tell you about your truck. 251 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: That twenty one twenty twenty one International HX five twenty 252 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: is what that is on. 253 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 3: The logs that you're hauling shorter, So it's a How 254 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 3: would you describe that? I mean, it's not like a 255 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 3: like a semis truck you'd see drive down the road car. 256 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 4: It's not a trailer truck. Like how big is that 257 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 4: that bed there? 258 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: I can't tell you the exact mamage much, but I 259 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: can haul two monks of ten of ten and a 260 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:14,839 Speaker 1: half footers, you know. 261 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 4: You know ya, you're in the business of the shorter. 262 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 6: Ten and a half. 263 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 1: Ten and a half is a is a Well I 264 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: say that, look got some of their twenty one foot 265 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: and you can carry on that truck twenty one foot 266 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: will go on that and then my trailer, my pump 267 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: trailer that hook behind it. It's also a double bump. 268 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: I'm just not a I'm not a traditional tractor with 269 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: a trailer behind it. You can get around butter, you 270 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: can get in and out, but it rigged up like this, 271 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 1: then you can with a trailer truck. But this is 272 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: just the way we've always done it. 273 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 3: What what what's the necessary equipment for what you do? 274 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 3: You need a dozer, you need a truck, you need 275 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 3: a skitter, and you need kaalin to cut trees. 276 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: That's what we have in all honesty around here. You 277 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: can you can make a living with a skitter period, 278 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: just a skiitter. 279 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 4: How there's enough Okalon, you mean you're gonna get rid 280 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 4: of kalin? 281 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:15,719 Speaker 1: I mean equipment wise, equipment wise, just equipment wise, you 282 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 1: can get by. 283 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 4: It'd be really cool if you fired him on as 284 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 4: you can. 285 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: Get by with just a skinner, because there's enough guys 286 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: around here that have what we call picker trucks. 287 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 3: Would you say that you guys are doing with newer 288 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 3: technology but kind of doing the same style of logging 289 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 3: that your dad and grandpa did. 290 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 8: Oh, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah, same thing, just more modernized. 291 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 4: You're cutting the same kind of trees and. 292 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 8: Cutting the same yes, cut the same kind of trees, everything, 293 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 8: the same kind of ground, same places. We we have 294 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 8: been same tracks of timber that our ancestors cut on. 295 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 3: So you've you've you guys are have cut tracks of 296 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 3: timber that your dad and grandpa cut and the trees 297 00:14:58,080 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 3: have regrown. 298 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: I can take you to one track the timber that 299 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: I've been on twice in my life, and I'm forty two. 300 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 3: You might be surprised to learn that the vlines that 301 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 3: practiced select cut logging since the beginning, they don't like clearcutting. 302 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 4: And these guys have a land ethic and an. 303 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 3: Appreciation for trees that the average person will never understand. 304 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 3: They've witnessed the resilience of natural systems when well managed, 305 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 3: and they've seen how families use timber for generational financial 306 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 3: input like cashing out of four one k. I once 307 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 3: heard an Ozark farmer say he's seen the same stand 308 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 3: of timber put multiple generations of kids through college. And 309 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 3: as we know as wildlife managers, select cutting timber can 310 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 3: be incredible for wildlife To put this login into a 311 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 3: wider context. The early nineteen hundreds mark the peak of 312 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 3: America's wooden age, when the demand for lumber exploded alongside 313 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 3: rapid population growth. By nineteen ten, annual consumption of wood 314 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 3: peaked at roughly thirty eight billion board feet, and wood was, 315 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 3: as historian Kennis Smith wrote, second only to food as 316 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 3: a basic life supporting commodity. 317 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 4: It was used for nearly everything. 318 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 3: Wood made all the buildings, railroads, tools, wagons, the frames 319 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 3: of cars, even and even iron ore production, which relied 320 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 3: on charcoal to fuel smelters. Around this peak, deforestation spread, 321 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 3: and that's what we hear about the negative things about logging. 322 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 3: But this is when Americans began to reckon with the 323 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 3: cost of unchecked extraction, and the counter movement rooted in 324 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 3: conservation slowly took hold. In nineteen oh five, Gifford Pinchot 325 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 3: became the head of the newly formed Forest Service, and 326 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 3: he brought these European ideas of sustainable forestry to the 327 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 3: United States and he helped usher in a new philosophy 328 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 3: of managed forests with the idea. 329 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 4: Of sustainable yield. 330 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 3: And since that time, the American forestry industry has revolved 331 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 3: around regrowth and sustainability. Cody and Kaylin have seen it 332 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 3: with their own eyes, and wood hasn't gone out of 333 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 3: style and it never will. 334 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 4: You guys are. 335 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 3: Primarily cutting hardwood, regrowth timber. 336 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, and where is that? What's that hardwood being used for? 337 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 8: It's got all kinds of purposes. I mean your good, 338 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 8: you're good lumber logs. Of course they're they're making that 339 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 8: the lumber for furniture and flooring. But then there's always 340 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 8: the time market, and that's for railroad ties, the seven 341 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 8: be nine railroad tie. And then you have your wallet, 342 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 8: which you know it's a higher end and white oak, 343 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 8: I mean, you're good white oak, that's whiskey barrows. That's 344 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 8: that's where the money that is in the white opening wallet. 345 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 8: And I mean you've got cherry. Some people even separate 346 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 8: it because you can get a little more old cherry hickory. 347 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 8: You can separate it if you want to. We have 348 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 8: before because they use it for smokers. I mean though 349 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 8: they just chip it and make smoking chips. But for 350 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 8: the most part, it's lumber ties, palettes. Everybody benefits from 351 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 8: the palace because that's what everything's shipped on. I'd say 352 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 8: there's not anything in the country that don't get put 353 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:30,360 Speaker 8: on a pallette and chip somewhere. 354 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 3: This is just what's done with hardwoods and the ozarks. 355 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 3: But pine timber is primarily what's used in making paper 356 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 3: and cardboard, at least down here. Just try to go 357 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 3: through a single day without using paper or cardboard. 358 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 4: You almost can't. And the good thing. 359 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 3: About it is that it's biodegradable and you can recycle it, 360 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 3: and it's generally cleaner than making plastics. Still today, almost 361 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 3: all residential structures are framed in wood. And this stat 362 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 3: is a few years old, but the Bureau of Labor 363 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:07,679 Speaker 3: Statistics saved the average American uses wood and paper products 364 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 3: equivalent to what can be produced from one hundred foot 365 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 3: eighteen inch tree every year. 366 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 4: That's a big old tree. 367 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 3: But talking about the history of logging, something that stood 368 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 3: out to me from the first time I heard Kaylen 369 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 3: say it was that his dad Eddie and uncle Teddy 370 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,360 Speaker 3: and their other brother Hillard. There were actually ten brothers 371 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 3: and sisters. All of these guys logged with mules and 372 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 3: horses all the way up until the nineteen nineties. 373 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 8: Dad and ted they were to my knowledge, I know 374 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 8: there's still people around that use a horse or mule 375 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 8: around here. My dad and Ted was the last two 376 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 8: that I know of that was still using a horse 377 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 8: and a mule. Because I'll be forty two in just 378 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,919 Speaker 8: a month or so, and I can remember I'm skidding 379 00:19:57,920 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 8: with horse and mule. I wasn't big enough to actually 380 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 8: hel but I went to the woods with them. 381 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 3: And sort of been in the nineties, nineteen nineties, the 382 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 3: early nineties. And they weren't They weren't good at to 383 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 3: try to be folksy or no traditional. No, they did 384 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 3: it because it's just the way they skid logs. 385 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just the way it was. 386 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 8: And I mean they didn't have the money, you know, 387 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 8: at the time to improve what they were doing, you know, 388 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 8: so they were still just with the old way, you know, 389 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 8: that's the only. 390 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 5: Way they knew. 391 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 4: And they could make a living doing it. They could, 392 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 4: and that's all that mattered. 393 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 5: That's all that mattered. 394 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 8: Yeah, they could still make a living, but I mean, yeah, 395 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 8: they wouldn't getting the production that the people was a 396 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 8: skinner was getting. But they didn't have all the expense either, 397 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,719 Speaker 8: you know, cheaper defeat a mule or horse and it 398 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 8: was put fuel in a skinner, you know, but they 399 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 8: they finally had to, you know, if they were going 400 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 8: to keep up with everybody else, they they got a. 401 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 3: Got to wear them if they were gonna make a living, 402 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 3: they had to do this right. Teddy, Eddie and Hillard 403 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 3: eventually upgraded to a skitter, but they were thirty years 404 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 3: behind much of the industry. And I think that we'll 405 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 3: see that this was very much on purpose. These guys 406 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 3: march to a different drum than the throb of much 407 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 3: of modern society. 408 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 4: What about you. Have you ever been hurt bad? 409 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 5: No, bad enough. 410 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 8: I've not been late in the hospital like I should 411 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 8: have been several times. Oh yeah, I've broke bones and 412 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 8: stitches and cut myself stitches in my head. 413 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 4: What's like a you have a story like that? I mean, 414 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 4: it's like a scary story. 415 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 8: Oh well, I mean I've had lots of scary encounters. 416 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 8: Usually the ones that don't get you is the scariest ones. 417 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 8: When you've had tree tops fall out and bury up 418 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 8: in the ground beside you that you know would have 419 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 8: killed you, graveyard dead if you you know, we would 420 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 8: have stepped over twice. I've been hit hard in the head, 421 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 8: like knocked out, like. 422 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 4: Knocked out cold. 423 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,360 Speaker 8: Oh yeah, hey, hate to even bring it up, but 424 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 8: him talking about Frankidale, which Frankdale is my cousin, and 425 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 8: we lost him a couple of year ago. 426 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 5: He got killed in the woods. 427 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I've been been probably three year ago. Frank 428 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 8: got killed. Be in the woods all his life. Yeah, 429 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 8: he just like most people around here who logs. You 430 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 8: can ask him. They got the same story as man Cody. 431 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 8: You know, they grew up working in the woods. Probably 432 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 8: had anybody cut any more timber than Frankidale. And yeah, 433 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 8: that's all they ever did. 434 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 4: I mean, is that is that something that I mean? 435 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 3: How many people do you know within kind of arms 436 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 3: reach of you that have been killed in the woods? 437 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: Oh? 438 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 8: I mean I could name four or five some that 439 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 8: I didn't know. I mean I knew who they were, 440 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 8: but didn't know them personally. And you know, some before 441 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 8: men Coty's time, you know that we're killing the woods. 442 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 8: Frank Frank is definitely the closest one that we you know, 443 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 8: somebody we both had worked with and around been running 444 00:22:58,160 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 8: all over live. 445 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 3: But it's clear that this is a way of life 446 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 3: in these families, especially when Cody and Kaylen were growing up. 447 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 3: Their dads were making a living off the land, and 448 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 3: that term is thrown around loosely in modern times. 449 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 4: But I think you're going to. 450 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 3: See these men, who are both still alive, had a 451 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 3: unique version of living off the land. 452 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 8: Well, Dad's always he's always got his own sayings. I 453 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 8: guess some people around here call them it isms. But 454 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 8: Dad always said, the poor man's got poor ways. And 455 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 8: you know, in the wintertime, same for me and Cody today. 456 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 8: I mean, it's what we're not working today. You know, 457 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 8: it's wet in the woods, so we can't work. And Dad, 458 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 8: you know me growing up, they always had had cows. 459 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 8: You know, that's extra income. But Dad he'd have to 460 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 8: get by any way he could, and of course he 461 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 8: dug Jensan. He coon hunted mostly for the purpose because hides. 462 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 8: I mean Dad always enjoyed hounds, don't get me wrong, 463 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 8: but I mean when the hide market went away, he 464 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 8: didn't coon hunting there like he did, you know. 465 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 5: And then he trained. 466 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 8: Horses and mules, you know, just to make enough money 467 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,719 Speaker 8: get by and cut firewood. All my life we were 468 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 8: cutting firewood for other people. My mom would complain because 469 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 8: we'd run out of firewood and have to go get 470 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 8: in snow, but Dad was supplying four or five other 471 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 8: people with firewood at time. The hard work is yeah, 472 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:30,120 Speaker 8: all he knew. Dad always said a honest man would 473 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 8: never get rich, you know, And Dad believed that that 474 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 8: if you're being honest with everyone, you know, everyone you're 475 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 8: dealing with, that you'll just make a living. You're not 476 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 8: gonna get rich, you're not even gonna get ahead, and 477 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 8: you're just gonna pay the bills. I know that's not 478 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 8: one hundred percent accord, because I know honest people that's 479 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,679 Speaker 8: done well for the self, But there's a lot of 480 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:53,360 Speaker 8: truth in it too. 481 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,880 Speaker 3: I recently heard a political analyst, presumably a fairly wealthy one, 482 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 3: say that they were begin to believe it's impossible to 483 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 3: be a billionaire without being corrupt. With the outrageous corruption 484 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,919 Speaker 3: that we see in today's America, it's hard not to 485 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 3: think that thought. It's gonna be easy for me and 486 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 3: you to keep guessing about that. But Eddie's words are 487 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 3: worth thinking about. And as a matter of fact, Oh 488 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 3: Jesus weighed in on the topic too when he said 489 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 3: it's easier for a camel to fit through the eye 490 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 3: of a needle than for a rich man to fulfill 491 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 3: his requirements. I think that would be a gutsy thing 492 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 3: to say in modern America because it points to a 493 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 3: flaw in the dominant ethos of this country. I don't 494 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,199 Speaker 3: think that's a license to not work and try to 495 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 3: better your family, but it'll make you think. I asked 496 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 3: Caitlin what he thought about this billionaire corruption thesis. 497 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 5: I would probably have to agree with that. 498 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,679 Speaker 8: They obviously need more to satisfy themselves than Eddy via 499 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 8: Lines ever had. Dad was content with a good cup 500 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 8: of coffee and sitting on his back porch. That's what 501 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,479 Speaker 8: he wanted to come home to was peace and quiet, 502 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 8: have a good dog and a good mule, and he 503 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 8: was satisfied. Money didn't drive Dad to work. 504 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 4: Is that the way you are? 505 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 5: Pretty much? 506 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 6: Yeah? 507 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 4: Do you Are you as content as your dad was? 508 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:24,159 Speaker 8: Uh? 509 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 5: Probably not? 510 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 8: I mean that's just honest. I worry about probably more 511 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 8: than he ever did. I mean, Dad wasn't a warrior. 512 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 8: I would like to think I had that same peace 513 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 8: of mind as Dad's. God, Probably not to that extent. 514 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 4: No, life's more complex, it is it really it is. 515 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 8: Yeah, And the more the more you have, the more 516 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 8: you have to worry. About I mean not saying I 517 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 8: have that much more than Dad ever had, but I do. 518 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 8: And it's from wants not needs. Dad never had much, 519 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 8: but Dad didn't want much either. That just had needs, 520 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 8: you know, and that was it. And that's what he 521 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 8: would tell us kids growing up. He said, well, you 522 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 8: want it or you need it. You know, if it's 523 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 8: a want, probably not going to happen. 524 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 5: But if you need it, we'll make it happen. 525 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 3: The issue here is contentment, not about how much money 526 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 3: you've got. I think this is interesting as it's compared 527 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 3: to the context of information that surrounds it. Good luck 528 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 3: finding a podcast about being content, but you want to 529 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 3: have any trouble finding one giving you strategies for getting 530 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 3: rich quick. The fixation that money is the solution to 531 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 3: all human problems is ancient. However, I think we can 532 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 3: understand this without taking a vow of poverty. And I 533 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,400 Speaker 3: think it's a biblical mandate to be wise with our finances, 534 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 3: invest and save. I appreciate the clarity in what Eddie said, 535 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 3: and I like people that just know who they are. 536 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 4: Here's more from Kaylin on his upbringing. 537 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 5: Growing up. 538 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 8: You know, me and my brother and Cody, we thought 539 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 8: everybody was like us, you know, just because it was 540 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 8: his way of life. You know, we didn't know any different. 541 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 8: We thought we thought every kid, you know, grew up 542 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 8: going to the woods with their dad, you know, working. 543 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 8: We didn't know what vacation was. I said, before, you know, Dad, 544 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 8: he tried to talk us out of it, or for 545 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 8: for sure me, I mean, well then he he eventually 546 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 8: did get out of it. But dad say, boys, there's 547 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,640 Speaker 8: no future in it. And he'd say, well, my dad 548 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 8: said that, you know, so there's not a future in it. 549 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 8: Find find something else to do. And it's dangerous, you know, 550 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 8: we always knew that, you know. I grew up watching 551 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 8: watching you know dad he got hurt. I seen him, 552 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 8: you know, break a leg and arm and get hitting 553 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 8: the head, and you know, I knew the danger. But 554 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 8: it was just the way of life we were. We 555 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 8: were born into it. 556 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 3: Caylen's brought us to the topic of danger in the woods. 557 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 3: In the nineteen nineties, law logging deaths peaked, and it 558 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 3: was by far the most dangerous industry in America, with 559 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty eight deaths per one hundred thousand 560 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 3: workers per the Bureau of Labor statistics. It's gotten slightly safer, 561 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 3: with modern numbers between fifty and one hundred deaths per 562 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 3: one hundred thousand, but has dropped closer to some of 563 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 3: the other industries. The top five most dangerous jobs in 564 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 3: America that I could find were loggers, commercial fishermen, roofers, 565 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 3: small aircraft pilots, and iron workers. Logging has gotten safer 566 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 3: partly because there are fewer people cutting logs by hand. 567 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 3: Many large operations have mechanical cutters, but I'll remind you 568 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 3: that the Lines, along with many others, are basically still 569 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 3: doing it the same as the nineteen nineties, you know, 570 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 3: excluding Teddy and Eddy with their mules, they're still cutting 571 00:29:53,880 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 3: trees by hand. I want to ask Caylen about getting hurt, 572 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 3: and you're gonna need to remember the first story that 573 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 3: Cody told us about when he mentioned a man named 574 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 3: Frankie Dale. You're gonna want to remember his name. 575 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 4: Just tell me what you're gonna tell me. 576 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 1: I mean, Frankidale was just, he was just He's basically 577 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 1: a legend around here. Nobody there's nobody that don't have 578 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: a frank story, whether it was in the woods, seeing 579 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 1: him at that gas station there is nobody that doesn't 580 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: have a Frank story. 581 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 7: And I just got to work with him. 582 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 6: For several years. 583 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 5: But he was several years. 584 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: But I had spent the biggest part of my life 585 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 1: in the woods and I went up for a stretch 586 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: there where I dove truck for a couple of different guys. 587 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: And when I went back to logging, Frankidale was helping 588 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: Dad and I had been there was my whole life. 589 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: I hadn't never seen anybody. I mean, Dad got after 590 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: it cutting timber, got after it went to run, but 591 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: I hadn't never seen nobody as wild as Frankydale. 592 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 4: What does that mean? 593 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 6: What did he do? 594 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 1: I came around to there on the skid one day, 595 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: like I said, It's probably my first week back in 596 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: the woods after I've been trucking, and they were both 597 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: cutting timber and I skidding. And then Dad would haulogs 598 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: and leave me in Frank in the woods and he 599 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 1: keep cutting. I skidding whatever he's walking out my hand. 600 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: Then I came around the skid trail and I could 601 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: see Frankidale and he was cutting a tree. It wasn't 602 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: a big tree, but I mean it was a decent 603 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 1: sized little tree. 604 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 7: And it was in a kind. 605 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: Of a little post dope flat and there wasn't no 606 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: really big timber there, and there's lots of brush. He 607 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: cut that tree and it lodged. He didn't go all 608 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: the way to the ground, you know, it was like 609 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: halfway down on an angle like this. You know, the 610 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 1: top of it was probably twelve or fifteen feet off 611 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: the ground. 612 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 6: Frankie Delle cut that tree. 613 00:31:55,840 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 1: The tree lodged, and without even thinking about it, without 614 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: even stepping back and looking at it, he just took 615 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: off up that tree limited as he went. And when 616 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: he got up there to where you would top it, 617 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: like normally top it when it was laying on the ground, 618 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: he just ran back and sowed it off. And the 619 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: tree takes off to the ground and frank. 620 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 9: Just rides it, and right before it hits the ground, 621 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 9: he steps off and walks over to the next one 622 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 9: and starts cutting it, just like this is how he 623 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 9: does it every day. 624 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 7: And I thought, I mean I knew, you know, you 625 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 7: hear all. 626 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 6: The stories about Fredgie Dale got hurt again. 627 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 7: Fredgiedale's wild, And I was like, oh my god, he 628 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 7: is wild. 629 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 6: Uh. 630 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: He slowed down a bunch, you know, that he was 631 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 1: in his prime. I guess you would say then, you know, 632 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: I was twenty whatever, Like I just said, well, go 633 00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: he was. We had the same birthday, he was twenty one. 634 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 3: Years Where did he live from right here, right straight 635 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 3: across the canyon. 636 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 4: It was just like a mile from here. 637 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 6: I mean, he's not. 638 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 1: As a co fly, he just right over there. He 639 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: was in his forties, so yeah, he was in his 640 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: prime then. 641 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 5: I don't know all that prime. 642 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: In his forties like me and you, probably he was 643 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: still in Frank was still in good shake, but he 644 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 1: was yeah, he was wild. 645 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 6: Yeah, I know. 646 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 1: He died on January twenty first. I'll never forget it. 647 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 1: And I can tell you right where as that when 648 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: they called me and told me that he had passed 649 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: January twenty first, I think it was three years ago. 650 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: It's twenty three when Frank died. 651 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 3: This kind of reminds me of these extreme sports guys, 652 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 3: these rock climbers and free divers that have all had 653 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 3: friends that have tragically died. But the difference is huge. 654 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 3: These loggers aren't recreating, but rather they're trying to make 655 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 3: a living and maybe only the way they know how. 656 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 5: And Frank was just a guy. 657 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 1: He had that personality, you know. He was just we 658 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 1: were cutting one day. Daddy told me, he said, when 659 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 1: you get down there skitting off Frankidale, he said, watch 660 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 1: for there. There's an old fence down there. They said, 661 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: don't get across that property line. 662 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,959 Speaker 6: He said, you'll see it. It's an old, old fence. 663 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:15,759 Speaker 6: He said, it's mark. 664 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 1: So I come round through there on a skitter and 665 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,240 Speaker 1: the hall gas and all for him on my skittery 666 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 1: with me and Frank came up through there. 667 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 6: He was out of gas. I pulled up there and 668 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 6: shut the skitter off. 669 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: And I don't know, he said something, you know, and 670 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,360 Speaker 1: he said, boy, it's hot or whatever he said. And 671 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,760 Speaker 1: I said, hey, did you find that line down there? 672 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,320 Speaker 1: And without missing the beat, he said, no, But I 673 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 1: seen a tiger. 674 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 6: You know. 675 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 7: He was just that guy. 676 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: He was quick witted and he was he always had 677 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 1: some little one liner like. 678 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 6: That, and a lot of it. 679 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 1: I mean a lot of your a lot of your 680 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: old time loggers, they all kind of had that personality. 681 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 6: You know. 682 00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 4: Would you see that consistent? 683 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 3: I mean you you would you would see uh, you 684 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,879 Speaker 3: bet guys that were just characters and storytellers. 685 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if you if you left them right 686 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:12,359 Speaker 1: here and went in any direction, you can. You can 687 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 1: interview old loggers for days on end, guys that you 688 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: know did it for their lifetime and did it the 689 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,799 Speaker 1: hard way, the hard way. I mean, it's still work. 690 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 1: We still cut trees down by hand. We still handcut. 691 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:29,759 Speaker 1: It's still work. 692 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 2: But I mean what we do now it ain't nothing 693 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 2: like what it used to be. 694 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 3: It's clear that these guys had a lot of respect 695 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 3: for Frankie Dale, a man that used to live about 696 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,760 Speaker 3: a mile from where we're standing. But it just goes 697 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 3: to show you how dangerous log and can beat. Here's 698 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 3: more from kaylin. 699 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,879 Speaker 5: Man down there Kingston. We both known over live. He 700 00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 5: actually he watched his father get killed when he that's 701 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 5: for our time. 702 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 8: Yeah, he was he was young and was in the 703 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 8: woods with his dad and watched him get killed. And 704 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 8: he went ahead and pretty well all his life logged 705 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 8: after that. And I thought about that. I don't know 706 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 8: if I could have done that or not. 707 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 3: Is there a in some things? When you're in it 708 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 3: long enough, you know the risks. And if you heard 709 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 3: that somebody died, you could have probably almost guessed what 710 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 3: happened with the kind of logging you guys do. If 711 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:37,839 Speaker 3: you heard that someone died, would you pretty much would 712 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,439 Speaker 3: you be like eighty percent chance a tree top fell 713 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 3: on him or eighty percent chance a log t boned? 714 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,240 Speaker 4: Like what would you say? 715 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:47,239 Speaker 5: Yeah? 716 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely depend on who it was, you know, if 717 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 8: I knew, if I knew it was the timber cutter. 718 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 5: Yeah I could. 719 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:54,839 Speaker 4: What would it be? What would happen? 720 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 8: It would be it'd be a limb falling out or 721 00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 8: a tree. 722 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 3: Top limb that you can't that you aren't watching right, Yeah, 723 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 3: so you're cutting trees and like it breaks the limb, 724 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 3: like I described for them, what would happen? 725 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,239 Speaker 8: No, it could be it could be in the tree, 726 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 8: the tree even cutting and you not see it. I 727 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 8: mean a lot of that depends on the time of year. Yeah, 728 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 8: I always I would a whole lot rather cut in 729 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,239 Speaker 8: the wintertime when the leaves are off and you can 730 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,320 Speaker 8: you can see for sure, big timber, big timber. In 731 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 8: the summertime, so many leaves, you can't. You can't see 732 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 8: what I was up there. And if you don't, you know, 733 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,759 Speaker 8: if you don't take your time and pay attention, just 734 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 8: even grape vines, you know, from one tree to another. Well, 735 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 8: jerk a limb out from a tree behind you, you know, 736 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 8: or a dead snag. That's what's you know. I've been 737 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,279 Speaker 8: hit once or twice. Once when I got stitches in 738 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 8: my head and got knocked out. It was actually a 739 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,800 Speaker 8: snag that was behind me, and I already had the 740 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,399 Speaker 8: tree on the ground and was back. Then we marked 741 00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,840 Speaker 8: them as we went, We marked the logs, and I 742 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 8: was on my second log just marking it and it 743 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,440 Speaker 8: was like somebody walked up behind me with a baseball 744 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 8: bat and hitting right up over the head and it 745 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 8: was it had come from a tree behind me, A 746 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,279 Speaker 8: top broke out up, a dead snag. But there's I mean, 747 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,319 Speaker 8: there's there's dangering all of it. 748 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,239 Speaker 3: I mean, but it's rarely like when you're cutting a 749 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 3: tree that falls on you, because I mean the tree 750 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,200 Speaker 3: you're cutting, you're paying attention to. 751 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:29,279 Speaker 8: It's it's it's rare, but but I've seen it. 752 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,840 Speaker 3: I want to queue you up for this next story. Honestly, 753 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,759 Speaker 3: it's the reason I'm here. Last fall, when Caitlin and 754 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 3: I were driving down the road going bear hunting, he 755 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:47,279 Speaker 3: told me a story that I'll never forget. All of 756 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 3: this has really led us to hear. 757 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,840 Speaker 8: Oh, it's been seven six seven year ago now, and 758 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,000 Speaker 8: me and Cody weren't working together. We were actually I 759 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,440 Speaker 8: had my own crew or working with another guy, and 760 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 8: all our buddy was working with us. 761 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:06,880 Speaker 5: He got he got mashed and well he got killed. 762 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:13,400 Speaker 8: But good Lord wasn't done with him, because I know, 763 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 8: I've told you four the difference between praying and begging, 764 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,040 Speaker 8: and I was begging and I've seen life be brought 765 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:19,719 Speaker 8: back into him. 766 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 5: But he was. 767 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,840 Speaker 8: He was mashed by a tree that he was cutting. 768 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 8: It had actually jumped off the stump which he had 769 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:32,400 Speaker 8: cut up about chest tie. It's a forgard sycamore. I mean, 770 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,759 Speaker 8: it wasn't no monster sycamore, but it was. It was 771 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 8: probably twenty four inches or better. 772 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 5: And the time. 773 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,799 Speaker 8: I got there, I actually I was supposed to be 774 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,600 Speaker 8: cutting that morning and was Ethan's his name. 775 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,480 Speaker 5: He he was wanting. 776 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,600 Speaker 8: To cut that morning, and I gave in let him cut, 777 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,920 Speaker 8: and I ran the skinner him Paul. Both were cutting, 778 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,880 Speaker 8: and I had made I know for sure two trips 779 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,560 Speaker 8: to Paul. Normally, if you're skiped behind two cutters, you'll 780 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,680 Speaker 8: just rotate, You'll you'll go to one and then go 781 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:08,040 Speaker 8: back to the other mostly I mean to stay up 782 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:12,280 Speaker 8: with them, but to check on I mean, that's always 783 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:12,960 Speaker 8: in your mind, you. 784 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 6: Know, check on them. 785 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:15,399 Speaker 5: Well I didn't. 786 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,440 Speaker 8: I didn't go back to Ethan. I went back to 787 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,319 Speaker 8: Paul Claisse and I was headed back and I seen 788 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,240 Speaker 8: Paul come run around the hill, and I knew immediately 789 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 8: something was bad wrong, so I hurried more than normal. 790 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 8: And when I got to that sycamore, I mean, like 791 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,799 Speaker 8: it's been seven years ago, it feels like yesterday because 792 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,960 Speaker 8: I can still see it. All I could see was 793 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 8: Ethan's boots barely sticking out, and the whole the whole 794 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,680 Speaker 8: tree was on him and wasn't at the butt. 795 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 5: It had actually went over him. 796 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:51,240 Speaker 8: He was probably fifteen feet back up back up that tree, 797 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,400 Speaker 8: but just his boots is sticking out. And I backed 798 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,120 Speaker 8: up there with the skittering which we use a grapple skitter, 799 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,560 Speaker 8: and I unched down and pinched that tree the best 800 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,120 Speaker 8: I could, but out do any more damage, and picked 801 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,479 Speaker 8: it up off of him and drove forward. Of course, Paul, 802 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:12,359 Speaker 8: he went straight to him, and I can I can 803 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,799 Speaker 8: still hear Paul scream. And he threw that chainsaw as 804 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,440 Speaker 8: far as he could throw it, and I shut skitter off, 805 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,080 Speaker 8: and he said he's dead, and of course you're just sick. 806 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:25,120 Speaker 8: And I had no doubt. I mean I could see 807 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,320 Speaker 8: from off the skitter. I thought there's no way. 808 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:28,720 Speaker 5: He could be alive. 809 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,200 Speaker 8: Well, we were down in underneath the hill and Paul 810 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,759 Speaker 8: he just took off, running to get out, to go 811 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,799 Speaker 8: get service to call, and I got off and went 812 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,600 Speaker 8: to Ethan and I got down and checked him, and 813 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:44,400 Speaker 8: sure enough, I mean, there's no life in him. He 814 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,560 Speaker 8: was even cold. We don't know how long he's been there. 815 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:50,080 Speaker 5: It is a thing. Paul had just shut his saw off. 816 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:54,400 Speaker 8: He got just kind of he had that feeling and 817 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,680 Speaker 8: shut his saw off, and he could hear Ethan sauw idland, 818 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:00,880 Speaker 8: but you know he would and running it. But he 819 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,400 Speaker 8: can hear that chainsaw around there, just idling. So he 820 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:04,200 Speaker 8: went to check on. 821 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,680 Speaker 5: Him, and I checked him. He's already he's cold. 822 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,279 Speaker 8: I mean, of course wasn't breathing, but I checked for 823 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:15,319 Speaker 8: a pulse and there's no life in him. And you know, 824 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,520 Speaker 8: poor old dumb lagger, I don't know CPR nothing. That's 825 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,000 Speaker 8: to afraid to touch him anyway. I don't know what 826 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,799 Speaker 8: kind of damage it was I've done the one thing 827 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,600 Speaker 8: I know how to do, and that's that's pray. And 828 00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,040 Speaker 8: I turned my back to him. I don't know why 829 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:38,160 Speaker 8: I've done that, but I turned my back to him. 830 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:42,840 Speaker 5: Sorry, And I begged. 831 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,000 Speaker 8: I got done on my knees and put my face 832 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:52,320 Speaker 8: to the ground and I begged and bleeded because I 833 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,360 Speaker 8: knew that's all all I could do for him. And 834 00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:56,880 Speaker 8: we say, that's all I can do for him. That 835 00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,759 Speaker 8: should be the first thing we go to But and 836 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:02,799 Speaker 8: I don't know how long. It seemed like forever, but 837 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:07,359 Speaker 8: probably wasn't. Just a man or two, and I heard 838 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:13,160 Speaker 8: him take a breath, deep breath, sucked their back in, 839 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,120 Speaker 8: and I turned around went to him, and it was 840 00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:22,319 Speaker 8: just shadow breathing, but he was breathing. And right then 841 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,560 Speaker 8: I said, well, I know the one who can take breath, 842 00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:28,840 Speaker 8: but he can also give breath back. Of course, it 843 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:33,520 Speaker 8: seemed like forever before the analyst got there, and I 844 00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:37,400 Speaker 8: noticed he had blood under his head and they wouldn't 845 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,480 Speaker 8: let me move him forever. I told him, I said, 846 00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,040 Speaker 8: he's bleeding outside of his head. I want to stick 847 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,319 Speaker 8: my hand then there, and they said, well, we'll we'll 848 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,120 Speaker 8: let you help us put him on this backboard and 849 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,880 Speaker 8: I run my hand underneath his head, and when I 850 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,880 Speaker 8: rolled him over, his ear wasn't completely off, but it 851 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,839 Speaker 8: was off enough it it stuck to my hand when 852 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:03,920 Speaker 8: I rolled him over kind of peeled off. But that 853 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,800 Speaker 8: was a rough day. But I'll never forget. 854 00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,759 Speaker 3: After being in the hospital for an extended period of time, 855 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:16,520 Speaker 3: Ethan would live and would later even go back into logging. 856 00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,280 Speaker 4: I appreciate Caylin telling that story. 857 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,799 Speaker 3: A man makes himself vulnerable when he says he's seen 858 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:28,200 Speaker 3: a man come back to life. Calin doesn't just believe 859 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:32,000 Speaker 3: that God answered the prayer and spared this man's life. 860 00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:34,000 Speaker 4: He knows that he did. 861 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:36,760 Speaker 5: I believe God lets you live through things. 862 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,879 Speaker 8: Not to keep to yourself. I mean something like that. 863 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,560 Speaker 8: You have to you have to tell it, you have 864 00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:46,560 Speaker 8: to share it, because if it wasn't for him, none 865 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:50,920 Speaker 8: of us would be here. And I've always said I 866 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,239 Speaker 8: don't know, I don't know how a man in our 867 00:44:53,280 --> 00:45:03,200 Speaker 8: business could live without God. You know, a nonbeliever the 868 00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,279 Speaker 8: day these days that even I still get scared, you know, 869 00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,560 Speaker 8: been all my life. But I mean, if I didn't 870 00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:17,799 Speaker 8: have God to depend on, I couldn't do it. It's 871 00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:18,960 Speaker 8: just it's too dangerous. 872 00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,400 Speaker 3: I can't thank you enough for listening to Bear Grease. 873 00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:39,880 Speaker 3: On the next episode, we'll meet Teddy Valais, one of 874 00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,799 Speaker 3: the men who started all of this for Cody and 875 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,920 Speaker 3: Kaylin and I can tell you he's one of a kind. 876 00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:53,400 Speaker 3: If you've enjoyed this podcast, please share Bear Grease with 877 00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,800 Speaker 3: a friend this week. We really appreciate you listening. Brent 878 00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:02,440 Speaker 3: Lake and I thank you keep the wild places wild 879 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:04,239 Speaker 3: because that's where the bears live.