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Speaker 1: I'm Buzznight.

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Speaker 2: You're host of the Taking a Walk podcast, the podcast

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Speaker 2: where we talk with musicians, industry insiders, and often radio personalities.

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Speaker 2: As my background before doing this podcast comes from radio now,

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Speaker 2: I especially like when we can turn you on to

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Speaker 2: radio personalities who are podcasting. And on this episode, I'm

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Speaker 2: talking with two of my friends back when I work

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Speaker 2: for Greater Media managing stations in Philadelphia, WMMR and WMGK

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Speaker 2: in particular, and they are the co host of a podcast.

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Speaker 2: They've been at this one for a number of years.

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Speaker 2: It's called The Imbalanced History of Rock and Roll. Please

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Speaker 2: welcome Ray Koob and Marcus Goldman on the Taking a

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Speaker 2: Walk Podcast.

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Speaker 3: Look, we have a confluence of our two podcasts. It's

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Speaker 3: almost like taking a Walk or an Imbalanced Walk and

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Speaker 3: the Imbalanced History together. And joining us on his and

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Speaker 3: our podcast is my old dear friend, Buzznight, the creator

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Speaker 3: of the Taking a Walk podcast. And for our gang

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Speaker 3: who don't know about that, tell them about what your

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Speaker 3: podcast is about.

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Speaker 4: It is literally taking the concept of comedians and cars

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Speaker 4: getting coffee and flipping it a little upside down in

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Speaker 4: my direction. So it's me walking and talking with musicians, industry, insiders, authors,

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Speaker 4: other crazy people, many of them virtual as well. But

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Speaker 4: we're taking a walk virtually down memory lane with a

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Speaker 4: lot of different people.

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Speaker 3: You make it sound so passe, but listen to the

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Speaker 3: list gang who are the most recent guests on Buzzes podcast.

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Speaker 3: Producer Jack Douglas, one of my true heroes, had a

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Speaker 3: great podcast episode with him, Lucy, the daughter of Joe Walsh.

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Speaker 3: I had Steve Lherman and Tom Werman.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I just love how it's sort of worked off of

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Speaker 4: each other and had nothing to do with each other either.

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Speaker 3: And you had Kenny A the Other Kenny A Kenny Aronoff,

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Speaker 3: one of the great drummers of all time on just

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Speaker 3: a few weeks ago. We're friends and pod friends with

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Speaker 3: Kenny A Kenny Aronson, who's been on with us a

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Speaker 4: Kenny is mister boundless energy and enthusiasm and as you know,

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Speaker 4: as some great leadership skills baked in there as well.

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Speaker 3: Isn't that part of what you do with your podcast,

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Speaker 3: that side of things, more than just what the person's

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Speaker 3: known for their other talents or leadership qualities.

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Speaker 1: I do gravitate towards that. I'm a nerd about that.

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Speaker 4: I suppose, so it indirectly leads there somehow, and some

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Speaker 4: have a better story than others at it, but all fun.

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Speaker 3: And in case people are wondering how these guys know

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Speaker 3: each other so well, Buzz and I go back to

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Speaker 3: when he was the program director in Danbury right at

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Speaker 3: w RKI I ninety five and I was at the FMQB,

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Speaker 3: and we would talk every other week or so about

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Speaker 3: what was going on, what you were listening to.

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Speaker 4: I know, and then we would recreate the magic years

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Speaker 4: later when I got involved, thankfully in Philadelphia, first with

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Speaker 4: of the crew. And that's where I got to run

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Speaker 4: into the notorious Marcus Goldman as well.

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Speaker 3: Marcus. In between, I was a record dude, and I

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Speaker 3: would go to Boston all the time. I would go

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Speaker 3: and see you guys. And it's because you had that

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Speaker 3: great air staff at the station in Boston, the first one,

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Speaker 3: was always cool for me. Any guy who's wrotten one

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Speaker 3: label CMC International with the artist that we had for you, one.

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Speaker 4: Of the nicest guys, Carter Allen without question, and we

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Speaker 1: Much of that air staff is still intact.

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Speaker 4: hear though the history which one of you two created

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Speaker 4: this magical podcast called The Imbalanced History of Rock and Roll.

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Speaker 3: He did it. Oh wait, that's my natural inclination since

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Speaker 3: Catholic School. Go ahead, Marcus.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's really a team effort, and it has been.

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Speaker 6: But I presented the idea to Ray a couple months

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Speaker 6: or real really musical discussion podcasts that weren't like that

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Speaker 6: And we've been rolling since then. And that's how it

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Speaker 6: kind of happened. And I mean, with rock and roll,

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Speaker 5: You could even say that it goes back.

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Speaker 6: To the classical days, the whole idea of rock and

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Speaker 6: I mean, the term is coined from the African American

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Speaker 5: When it began. The discussion is great and it's still ongoing.

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Speaker 6: I know, Rocket eighty eight, everybody says, is the first

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Speaker 6: And what we've seen since then, and how we've seen

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Speaker 6: rock and roll family tree is wonderful. You have the oldies,

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Speaker 6: So I mean you have so many, you know, branches,

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Speaker 6: and it's a great story that needs to be told.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm wondering, Buzz. You're on the inside of

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Speaker 3: What's it like now for people who are trying to

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Speaker 1: Say well, this will shock you both.

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Speaker 4: But if we take us back twenty five years ago

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Speaker 4: Even though there's been a lot of radio folks who

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Speaker 4: know our secret sauce is our people and our personalities

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Speaker 4: oddity of the situation is many folks know what drives

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Speaker 1: They just can't figure out how to adapt to the times.

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Speaker 3: You know, And that's why we show up and go

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Speaker 3: to work every day, ladies and gentlemen. Of what we do.

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Speaker 3: I mean, for me now it's like a part time thing,

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Speaker 3: and the idea of taking a walk while you're doing

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, and you know, look, the phone is

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Speaker 4: I can't help when I hear the show that you

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Speaker 4: but I called it a show. I can't help but

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Speaker 4: storytelling and your great interviewing skills, and think, man, there's

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Speaker 4: there's a place for this that is even beyond podcasting.

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Speaker 1: I really believe that.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you man. That means a lot. You know,

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Speaker 3: you see and hear a lot of this stuff and

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Speaker 5: I still think there's a place for that in radio and.

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Speaker 3: For us are place for I'm sorry.

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Speaker 6: If you look at what Pierre Robert is doing on

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Speaker 5: It's a lot in a way.

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Speaker 3: It's why he's the pied Piper of Philadelphia, no doubt, and.

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Speaker 5: Even in radio in general.

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Speaker 6: His ability and his talent and his skills are special

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Speaker 3: Loving care goes into all of it, you know. And

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Speaker 3: But that's a whole other discussion. The biggest thing is

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Speaker 4: We would often say to people when they moved into

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Speaker 4: You know, one thing I think we both share as

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Speaker 4: is our own different, unique appetite for diverse styles of music.

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Speaker 4: told you Ray might have been my first interview that

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Speaker 4: connected with him. I know one of them was Jackson Brown.

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Speaker 4: Unfortunately I forget who the other one was.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 3: I think he said one of the Osman brothers was

443
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Speaker 3: the only one to stand up for him in court.

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Speaker 1: Unbelievable.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I made sure that I said out loud when

446
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 6: we were speaking with Joel that I was very disappointed

447
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 6: in the music industry of the way they treat mental illness.

448
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 6: It's just flatasting because a breakdown, a complete detachment, could

449
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 6: not have been prevented. But maybe his mom would have

450
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 6: been able to live out a full life, right had

451
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Speaker 6: more people been involved and more.

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Speaker 5: People not look the other way.

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Speaker 6: Dude was one of the greatest drummers to ever sit

454
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Speaker 6: on a kit in the history of rock and roll.

455
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 6: He's up there with Bonham and all of the greats.

456
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 3: And like so many other people, I think most people

457
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 3: who've read this book find the rest of the story

458
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 3: before the murder. They get that there's no story after.

459
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 3: But a lot of people, including people like me, who

460
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 3: followed his career and was as shocked as anyone, never

461
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 3: hurt anything else ever until now. And that's why Selvin

462
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 3: gets big ups with us. We were happy to have

463
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Speaker 3: him on. Get him on if you can. He's a

464
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 3: great guy and fun to talk to.

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Speaker 1: He lets it, he lets it loose, for sure.

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Speaker 3: Yes, he said something about you know, we all have

467
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 3: thoughts about murdery or mothery with some hainus laughing. I

468
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:11,239
Speaker 3: was like, holy shit, but it's true. Well not that,

469
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 3: but his laugh is funny.

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Speaker 5: Sorry, but yeah, what he did is a serious crime.

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Speaker 6: There's no doubt about it, and that will never be

472
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 6: minimized or taken lightly in any way. It's horrible and

473
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 6: horrific and awful everything about it.

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Speaker 5: But we could have done better.

475
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,719
Speaker 4: And it would, you know, be wonderful if this became

476
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 4: a more serious initiative in and around the music industry

477
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 4: to really pay attention to this.

478
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 3: I think we owe it to each other in the business.

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Speaker 6: There are a few organizations that have been started by

480
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Speaker 6: some of the younger musicians, like Jonathan Davis of Korn

481
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Speaker 6: is very active in mental health and mental health for musicians.

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Speaker 5: So there are organizations out there.

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Speaker 1: It's getting it out of the darkness that's really key,

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Speaker 1: you know.

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Speaker 3: I think that's it right there, speaking of getting things

486
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Speaker 3: out of the corners and out into the light. Just

487
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 3: when we thought we really couldn't come up with anything

488
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 3: else to do with the podcast, we've got plenty more

489
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 3: episodes than things to do. We just launched Believe It

490
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 3: or Not on Live three sixty five Buzz the Imbalanced

491
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 3: History Channel, and I think it's what the world really needs,

492
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 3: the Imbalanced History Channel. And we've had a few episodes

493
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 3: up there, more adding all the time, and it's one

494
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Speaker 3: of the things we've been talking about these last weeks

495
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Speaker 3: or two. It's one of those things we've been talking

496
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Speaker 3: about lately about which episodes to put out, win and

497
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff, and some of the stuff we

498
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Speaker 3: were talking about here with you today. But out of

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Speaker 3: three hundred and fifty episodes. You get a choice, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, congratulations. That's not a small feat to have that

501
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 4: many episodes.

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Speaker 6: Nope, takes a lot of work, as you know, putting

503
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Speaker 6: a podcast together. Are there any people you'll be taking

504
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 6: a walk with on your podcast in the near future

505
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 6: that you want to talk about?

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Speaker 4: Well, Eugene Houtz, I believe I'm pronouncing his last name

507
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 4: from the hardcore punk band Go Go Bordello.

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Speaker 1: He was so amazing. It just just.

509
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 4: Energy and intensity and good nature and just a love

510
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 4: and vigor for being out there. So he's gonna come

511
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 4: out in an episode in a in a couple of

512
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 4: weeks and then to completely take as dramatic a turn

513
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 4: as you possibly could. I have a gentleman whose name

514
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 4: is Ricky Ricardi, who is the curator of the Lewis

515
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 4: Armstrong Museum in Corona, Queens, and I was fortunate to

516
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 4: be with him walking through Lewis's house, which is still

517
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 4: intact and each room looks the same. There's audio that's

518
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 4: part of each room. Nobody thinks about going to this museum, unfortunately,

519
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 4: because it's right near LaGuardia Airport. It's out there. But

520
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 4: I say, if you have a chance to visit that

521
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Speaker 4: museum and to visit the house. Highly recommend it. So

522
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 4: we take a turn from hardcore punk to Lewis Armstrong

523
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 4: on the Taken a Walk podcast.

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Speaker 5: I have to go to that museum.

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00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 6: I absolutely have to go check out that museum. That

526
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 6: sounds amazing. My wife and I both love Queen's. We

527
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 6: have no problem taking the train up to Queen's, cruising

528
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 6: around and then checking out the Lewis Armstrong Museum. That

529
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 6: sounds amazing. And his influence on the early days of

530
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 6: rock and roll camp be discounted either.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god.

532
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 4: And he was, you know, not only a star and music.

533
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 4: He was somebody who forged away obviously in terms of

534
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 4: a time when you know he was out there that

535
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 4: it was you know, certainly his race and the issues

536
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 4: that were there. His acting career as.

537
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 3: Well, broke through a lot of things, a lot of

538
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 3: barriers that were doubled in front of them.

539
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 4: Too incredible and apparently what would happen he you know,

540
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 4: he was a road warrior, and so they have some

541
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Speaker 4: pictures at the museum after he'd been out on the

542
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 4: road for many months, when he and the band came

543
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 4: back in their bus and parked it outside the house.

544
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 4: All the kids from the neighborhood would come on by

545
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:54,239
Speaker 4: and Lewis would buy them all ice cream and just

546
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,239
Speaker 4: hang out with him and just kind of just just

547
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 4: basking the glory of being around their energy and their

548
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 4: love for him. It's a priceless picture.

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00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 5: That's a way to recharge really quickly. Kids have that

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00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 5: magical power.

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Speaker 3: Good to be home.

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Speaker 1: That's how you know, right, yep, exactly.

553
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 3: We're hanging with buzz Night here on a joint session

554
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 3: of his podcast, Taking a Walk Found Everywhere. Oh, tell

555
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 3: us about your new podcast on your network that you started.

556
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 4: So I have this other podcast I produce. It's called

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00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 4: Music Save Me, and it's about the power of music

558
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 4: from a healing perspective and what it means from a

559
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 4: musician's standpoint and certainly their fans standpoint. It's hosted by

560
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 4: Lynn Hoffman, who is a dear friend. Also has worked

561
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,919
Speaker 4: at A and E and VH one, and she does

562
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 4: voiceover work now and worked on the radio in Boston.

563
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 4: And we're about twelve episodes into the podcast right now.

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Speaker 4: We started with Winona our second episode. We were fortunate to.

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Speaker 1: Have jelly Roll.

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Speaker 4: We had the story of Chad Tepper, who is an

567
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 4: artist who really has such a heart for putting out

568
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 4: good energy from his life which was so tough, living

569
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,919
Speaker 4: homeless essentially until he was six years old. Country artist

570
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:27,760
Speaker 4: named Walker Hayes as well, And.

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Speaker 1: So we're building on that one.

572
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 4: Just recorded an episode for that podcast and have taken

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Speaker 4: a walk with Pat.

574
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: Monahan from Train Cool.

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00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 4: And we also had on the Music Saved Me the

576
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 4: great Brent Smith from Shine Down, one of the nicest

577
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 4: guys you'll ever meet.

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Speaker 1: That's one of those moments.

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Speaker 4: I know, you guys hit these moments, you know, when

580
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 4: you run into somebody like Brent or so many of

581
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 4: these other folks, I stop and I just go, God,

582
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 4: I'm so lucky to be doing this and to connect

583
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 4: with these really great people.

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Speaker 3: I know what you mean.

585
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 6: Their music has become quite motivational and inspirational to a

586
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 6: lot of people. So mad respect to Shineedown for really

587
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 6: really making a difference to a lot of people. That's

588
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 6: what music does, That's what music's supposed to do.

589
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 5: Dave Grohls said it.

590
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 6: There might be eighty thousand people in the stadium singing

591
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 6: my hero, but eighty thousand people are singing it for

592
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 6: eighty thousand different reasons, and that is power, that is connection.

593
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 6: That is so much And Shinedown has been very successful

594
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 6: in connecting with their audience through radio, through streaming, through

595
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,240
Speaker 6: their live shows, which are fantastic.

596
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 4: They really are one of America's great rock bands when

597
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 4: you think about it.

598
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no two ways about it. And in Philly

599
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 3: they connected strong with one of the nicest guys in

600
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 3: Philly radio, Brent Porsche my MANVP. Absolutely, the fact that

601
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 3: those guys are that tight doesn't surprise me at all.

602
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 3: Oh I love that.

603
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, BP's awesome.

604
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 3: I love that.

605
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: Well, guys, this has been so much fun having this.

606
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: I love how you call it, Ray, a joint session.

607
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 3: All right, Yeah, I love it.

608
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 4: This has been an absolute blast. Ray and Marcus. I

609
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 4: just can't tell you how grateful.

610
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: I am to be yes on this joint session. I

611
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: love it a joint session.

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00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 5: It's been nice talking to you too, Buzz. It's been

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00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 5: a long.

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Speaker 3: Always good to see it, Pal.

615
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 4: Always congratulations on your podcast and any listener of Taking

616
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 4: a Walk is gonna love the Imbalanced History of rock

617
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 4: and Roll.

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00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: I highly recommend it.

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Speaker 3: Do check it out back at your Pal and you're

620
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 3: gonna find all the connections, the links and all that

621
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 3: to buzz and stuff too inside this episode wherever you're

622
00:37:59,120 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 3: finding it.

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Speaker 1: See you man, See you guys.

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Speaker 7: Thanks for listening to this episode of the Taking a

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00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 7: Walk podcast. Share this and other episodes with your friends

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Speaker 7: a Walk is available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

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