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Speaker 1: Welcome back all the smoke. Jack is it day two

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Speaker 1: of season six? Yes, we're still here. We still here.

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Speaker 1: They still like our show, and they still want to

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Speaker 1: pay us. We appreciate every I can't believe that ship. Yes, sir,

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Speaker 1: but today man very special guests. So when we all

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Speaker 1: grew up watching and admiring and and and want wanted

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Speaker 1: to be like baseball legend in the movie Realms. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the show, Charlie Sheen.

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Speaker 2: Thanks you.

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Speaker 1: I gotta tell a quick story, like you'll never know

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Speaker 1: how we end up getting our guests. Sometimes we run

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Speaker 1: into them out and about, sometimes like golf with them.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you fucking run into people at the bathroom at

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Speaker 1: the Canelo Bud Crawford fight. And that's how this interview

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Speaker 1: came about. I forgot who was there was someone else

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Speaker 1: picture right when we walked out of the bathroom, but

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Speaker 1: we were using the bathroom, and I was like, oh shit.

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Speaker 1: It kind of caught me off. I was like, fuck,

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Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan. I'm a fan fan too, and

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Speaker 1: we start talking to someone else chimed in. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: fuck it, I'm gonna go for it. Would you would

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Speaker 1: you like, yeah, I'm actually going on tour right now,

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Speaker 1: but I'll be gone for this amount of time. As

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Speaker 1: soon as I get back, I'm in. And literally he

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Speaker 1: said he was gone for a while, and as soon

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Speaker 1: as you got back, you hopped on set. Here we are, here,

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Speaker 1: we are you said.

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Speaker 3: You said to me, Okay, so who on your team

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Speaker 3: should I reach out to? And I said, you're talking

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Speaker 3: to my team.

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Speaker 1: That's the best way to do it.

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Speaker 3: I feel like traded numbers right there. That's the bathroom.

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Speaker 1: Yeah't even know if we had washed our hands yet,

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Speaker 1: but fuck it, we were in the moment. We got

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Speaker 1: it done, and we got it done.

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Speaker 4: We got the deal done.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we did new book, new doc Doctor is number

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Speaker 1: one on Netflix. Talk to us first and foremost about

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Speaker 1: the documentary. You've got deep and personal and intimate and

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Speaker 1: really opened the curtains on what has been a hell

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Speaker 1: of a journey.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I figured if I was going to do it, there

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Speaker 3: was no reason to half ask it. And and it also,

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Speaker 3: you know, it just gave me an opportunity and I

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Speaker 3: think in the in the in the right forum to

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Speaker 3: just get some stuff, just get it off of Yeah,

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Speaker 3: just take it out of here and put it out there,

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Speaker 3: and because I know how it's played out.

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Speaker 1: In here, and it's heavy and it weighs on you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah it does.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it flashes up.

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Speaker 1: On you at different times, unexpected times, really just jump

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Speaker 1: out like. That's something he and I have talked about.

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Speaker 1: We had an interview with Jason Wilson and I. You know,

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Speaker 1: obviously we've all had our different journeys and struggles, but

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Speaker 1: I told him I hadn't cried in thirty years. And

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Speaker 1: it's just like being able to whether it be you

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Speaker 1: just we always men carry a lot of shit.

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Speaker 3: I had one the other night, Yeah, kind of an

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Speaker 3: awkward one. I was doing a show in Long Island

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Speaker 3: and the guy it was towards the end. It was

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Speaker 3: you know, the journey and all that stuff, and he said,

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Speaker 3: from the book? And I said sure, what do you

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Speaker 3: towards the very end, and I could feel it with

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Speaker 3: you know, we want to protect like the tough guy

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Speaker 3: side come through. So I did. I did get through.

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Speaker 3: But you know what's interesting is whatever, like especially in

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Speaker 4: Kind of got away from that though, Like in my

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Speaker 3: No, it's a it's a it's like a cleansing of sorts.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, number one doc on Netflix and then also new

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Speaker 1: How are you enjoying? How are you enjoying this version

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Speaker 1: of yourself? And because you're someone who the good, the bad,

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Speaker 1: the ugly has always played out in front of the world.

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Speaker 1: So there's not even like there's any skeleton in your closet.

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Speaker 1: So it's been some ship, Charlie, but not gonna lie.

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Speaker 1: But but to be able to own that and now

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Speaker 3: It's uh, it's it's it's it's been a just a

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Speaker 3: doing two things that aren't what I do, are not

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Speaker 3: and I'm like, sure a doc oh and book at

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Speaker 3: the same time. Why not?

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, that's been kind of.

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Speaker 3: The pattern of of of my careers, is you know,

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Speaker 3: because you make plans, we know what happens, right, But no,

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Speaker 3: it's and I and I couldn't have done either of

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Speaker 3: the mornings, I'm like, all right, cool, another day, another day,

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you're very open and vulnerable and honest

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Speaker 1: Mentally it was challenging because you couldn't this time.

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Speaker 3: No, no, and I just I just you know, made

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Speaker 3: And they're like, well, I can't do that. That's ridiculous,

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, exactly exactly. I mean, it doesn't exist.

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Speaker 3: So that that's the thing that that that really drove

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Speaker 1: You know what has the response been with this?

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Speaker 4: I think that's what I think that's why people love you.

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Speaker 4: Thank you because thank you know what I'm saying, Like,

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Speaker 4: especially guys like us. You know, a lot of people

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Speaker 4: And the only way you can move on is dealing

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Speaker 4: You are the way you deal with it and own

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Speaker 4: up to it. That's only perspective by guys like us.

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Speaker 3: Amazing, Thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 3: I I never really knew another way to even before

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Speaker 4: It's not a playbook to it.

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Speaker 3: There there there there sure isn't. And you know they

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Speaker 3: try try again. Well what if at first you do succeed.

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Speaker 4: Then what then what? Yeah, they don't teach that way.

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Speaker 3: I think it's at the end of that one, you know.

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Speaker 4: That's a good one. The Adventures of Mad Max and Charlie.

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Speaker 4: She We're gonna welcome our homeboy, mad Max Vernon Maxwell

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Speaker 4: on the show. You remember this guy?

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Speaker 3: Hi, how are you. It's good to see. I'd stand up,

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Speaker 3: but nice to see you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I had to come out and I had to

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Speaker 4: Man all right on yeah, connection through Frank. Yeah, I

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Speaker 4: met through Frank. Wait a minute, yes, Vernon Maxwell.

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Speaker 3: Burnon Maxwell, Oh ship, I didn't know you were Mad Max.

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Speaker 4: I'm damn.

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Speaker 3: We were hanging out in San Antonio to wait a minute,

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Speaker 3: you as crazy night, but you haven't aged like one day.

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Speaker 3: He looks good, said, brother, you look amazing. Man. That's

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Speaker 3: not fair. I'm sorry I didn't. I didn't put the

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Speaker 3: Mad Max together. My bad. What what a treat to

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Speaker 3: see your.

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Speaker 2: Yeah man, YouTube.

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Speaker 4: I had to stay around and see.

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Speaker 3: You, man, Wow, that's awesome and everything.

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Speaker 1: Some nights together, Oh yeah yeah.

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Speaker 4: Over at the Frank's house. Oh s He told me.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you remember, but the four.

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Speaker 2: No, that was that was another person. But we me

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Speaker 2: and him and Frank used to have some nights at

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Speaker 2: Frank's house.

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Speaker 3: Do you remember when Howie Long came? Yes?

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Speaker 4: Yeah you remember?

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Speaker 3: Hell wow?

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Speaker 4: That was that was crazy dude.

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Speaker 3: Yeah scared wow?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, goddamn Frank.

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Speaker 3: He didn't just take it to another level. No, he kept.

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Speaker 4: It there all the time. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It was a scary night that night too.

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Speaker 3: No, and and and and he can dunk right from

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Speaker 3: He then then like wins the Super Bowl? Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 4: On that team?

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Speaker 3: No, those were like great memories.

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Speaker 3: It, how about that? How about that? Still here to

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Speaker 2: Seriously, nobody in fact, man, I had nobody like none.

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Speaker 3: So were you like cold all the time?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, right, stay cold all the time? Wow?

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Speaker 4: Zero it was they said it was unhealthy though. Zero.

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think one of them on mushrooms? Remember

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah, I got all about that ship.

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Speaker 3: But can you imagine, yes, I don't know, getting that

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Speaker 4: Quickly, that's crazy. Man, I've golfed on mushrooms.

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Speaker 4: So now I know what people say about me when

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Speaker 1: But what I mean, obviously being the huge sports fan

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Speaker 3: It was, yeah, it it's it if to explain it

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Speaker 3: It was just it was. It was magical. You know,

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Speaker 4: Like any relationships with any of those guys.

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Speaker 3: waiting a few days for the freaking photos. And it

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Speaker 3: and so Frank arranged for me to like get it

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Speaker 3: true Magic, And I was like, wow, wow, I'm so touched. Right,

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Speaker 3: I framed it, I hung it. Cut to about six

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Speaker 3: suddenly that's just fucking what he wrote. This is what

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Speaker 3: he wrote. Oh well it's still specials still special because

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Speaker 3: like on a day off and gets traded. The year

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Speaker 3: it gets traded and they and they and they win

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Speaker 3: the championship.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's these Malibu afternoons on my days off. I'm

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Speaker 4: Huh. He was also in an Oracle when Baron Davis

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Speaker 4: dunk on Carolinko when we were in Golden State.

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Speaker 3: Are you talking about me?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Todd and ire Todd.

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Speaker 4: He's in here.

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Speaker 3: Oh he's in here, I said, dude, I think I

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Speaker 3: think they were both at that game that I flew

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Speaker 3: This is intense. And then Mark Berg, my old manager,

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Speaker 3: that's that game. That's that game. It was. The place

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Speaker 3: was unhinged. Seriously, the wheels came off. It was so exciting,

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Speaker 3: you know that for.

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Speaker 3: How did that happen? Uh? It started with that the

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Speaker 3: were just like, sure, why not, We'll get embarrassed on

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Charlie, he was.

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Speaker 3: Something happened that day.

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Speaker 1: Before, I guess, so, yeah, No, it.

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Speaker 3: Was just one of those things because you know, I

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Speaker 3: I I never played on a team. I just played baseball,

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Speaker 3: what's our plan against this guy? And I was like,

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Speaker 3: I don't. I don't. I don't have one. But if

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Speaker 4: But I don't know if he could do that right.

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Speaker 3: And I told I told Dad, I said, hey, man,

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Speaker 3: And there's a if you ever get a chance to

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Speaker 3: see that whole game, not just what's in the dock,

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Speaker 3: there's a moment where Dad does a head fig tries

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Speaker 4: We actually done that in the game though, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Really wow, damn, because somebody was, uh, he was what

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Speaker 3: what what?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 3: What instigated that?

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Speaker 4: Normally normally talking trash to somebody? Braun tried it to

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Speaker 1: Here it is right here, that's crazy.

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Speaker 3: It's like that. Well I saw that in person. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: So then I got his number after that, and we

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Speaker 3: when I could afford it, right, when I you know,

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Speaker 3: we sold underwear together, you know, So that was that

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Speaker 3: was pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: Any truth to him saying he didn't believe you beating

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Speaker 1: him when you got to the underwear campaign twenty years later, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: he raised it from his memory.

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Speaker 3: behind the scenes thing just for their their content reel,

442
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 3: and and so the guy the interview asked about that game,

443
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,440
Speaker 3: and I'm like, well, yeah, I'm not here to rub

444
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:43,159
Speaker 3: it in his face. But yeah, and he's like, no,

445
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 3: you didn't, No, you didn't. Uh uh you did not.

446
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,360
Speaker 3: And I'm like, well, I can appreciate that, but it's

447
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 3: on video. He was like, don't matter, matter, don't matter.

448
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 3: You didn't win, you didn't win. And I just thought, Wow,

449
00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,879
Speaker 3: I guess if you could just convince yourself of some

450
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 3: like will change the outcome. But no, he's a he's

451
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 3: a he's a lovely man. There was a time when

452
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 3: I would text him and this dude would literally respond

453
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,959
Speaker 3: in like fifteen or twenty seconds. And I never did

454
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 3: it like in front of people to show off, like

455
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 3: watch how quickly mj gets back to me. Right, No,

456
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 3: But I was just like, wow, it's but I would

457
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 3: use it like that's now the bar, and I would

458
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 3: tell my friends. I'm like, dude, it's been like four hours.

459
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 3: Michael Jordan responded seconds. So it was a valuable tool

460
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 3: for me, you know. Oh, and so I missed. I

461
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 3: think I missed my first free throw, right, but then

462
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,120
Speaker 3: I hit I hit eight in a row, and then

463
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 3: on the last shot, he's he's seated like three feet

464
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,880
Speaker 3: from me, and just under his breath, he goes choke

465
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 3: and I missed the last one. Yeah, so he got

466
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 3: in my head, you know, hasn't he.

467
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 1: I love that he just erased it from a memory,

468
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:02,679
Speaker 1: so it never happened.

469
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 4: That's that sounded like MJ.

470
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 3: I mean, is it why? Why is there even a debate?

471
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 4: Right? Right? You never live?

472
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 3: I mean it just feels kind of obvious, right.

473
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think.

474
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 4: That everything It's kind of obvious. Right, Let's bring it

475
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 4: back to the beginning. Attended Santa Monica High School, same

476
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 4: school and time as Robert Downey junior. That was crazy.

477
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 4: Rob Lowe and Sean p safe to say, uh, you

478
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 4: didn't leave any undi't live in normal teenage life, but

479
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 4: all around all those guys possible.

480
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 3: Yes and no, because we were all still trying to

481
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 3: do like normal teenage.

482
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 4: Wanted to be normal.

483
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and I and I was still fantasizing about

484
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 3: some type of a baseball career. I played all three

485
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 3: years at at Samawahai and I was never in the

486
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 3: the theater department there, but down he was, and Sean

487
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 3: and Rob was a year ahead of me. Sean was

488
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 3: I think five ahead of me. So Sean was already

489
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 3: working and you know, doing films like Fast Times and

490
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 3: Bad Boys and like Cover a Rolling Stone, and it

491
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 3: was just like whoa. But we knew, you know, making

492
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 3: the Super Eights and and you know, doing that as

493
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,919
Speaker 3: our kind of our hobby slash proving ground, training ground.

494
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 3: We knew Sean was taking it a lot more seriously

495
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 3: than the rest of us, just because he he had

496
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 3: a just had a fire and a drive and a

497
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 3: focus that was really intense. I mean, terrific guy, funny

498
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 3: as hell, really cool to be around, but you know

499
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 3: he's got that thing.

500
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, And to Spaccoli, that was his.

501
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 3: Like not even not even no, but he surfed. Sean

502
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 3: was like a really good and so so he was

503
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 3: around those guys. Yeah, and he based the character on

504
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,479
Speaker 3: this complete burnout that he used to surf with. There

505
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 3: was a gu named Jeff somebody I can't remember his

506
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 3: last name, but he was he was kind of like

507
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 3: a known Malibu podhead, you know, and Sean was like,

508
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 3: I'm borrowing all of that and and brilliantly character right.

509
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 4: Yeah. Interesting.

510
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 3: So, but but just back to that thing about that

511
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 3: we were all there and would ultimately go on to

512
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 3: do what we all did. It wasn't really you know,

513
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 3: whenever we didn't sit around the lunch table and like

514
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 3: talk about you know, well all right, and then then

515
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 3: then good luck with that. I'm gonna stay.

516
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: You know.

517
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 3: There was no like, it wasn't like it was just

518
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 3: it just it just happened. And then I didn't finish

519
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 3: high school. You know, I was like that close, and

520
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 3: they wouldn't they wouldn't just throw in a couple of

521
00:27:55,560 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 3: points that I needed, right and and so you know,

522
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 3: I had to hang up my cleats, and that was

523
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 3: kind of one of those moments, you know. But I

524
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 3: used to go to a baseball camp in a place

525
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 3: called Miller, Missouri, and you had to go through Kansas

526
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:21,360
Speaker 3: City for a connecting flight. And on those those walkers,

527
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 3: those automatic sidewalks in airport, I pass Willie Wilson and

528
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 3: Amos Otis and they're like a foot from me, and

529
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 3: they are enormous. You know, I'm fourteen, fifteen, and I'm

530
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 3: looking at these guys in there, and I'm like, oh,

531
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 3: so that's that's what you need. That's what you need, yeah,

532
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 3: the baseball player. And then I get the baseball camp

533
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 3: and it's a whole different level of competition, and there's

534
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 3: a lot of dudes there where it's like it's either

535
00:28:54,760 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 3: it's baseball, the army, or fucking jail. Right, So I

536
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 3: kind of like that wasn't really how it was kind

537
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 3: of laid out in Malibu, you know, but I got

538
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 3: a sense that this this what I was looking at.

539
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 3: You're dude, You're not doing this for a living. So

540
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 3: that was but it was still fun, you know. But

541
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 3: there are three summers, but so it was that it

542
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 3: was that first summer after I didn't graduate. I told

543
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 3: my parents, said, look, I'm not going to summer school.

544
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 3: It's just not it's not even an option. So let

545
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 3: me audition this first summer. Let me because the milliau

546
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 3: had already started and he was doing his thing, and

547
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 3: I was seeing the fruits of those labors, you know,

548
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 3: him and Rob and you know, out on the town

549
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 3: with those guys and being so close to it but

550
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 3: never being able to access it, you know. So that

551
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 3: that kind of lit a fire in me and just

552
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 3: told my parents just let me do this. If if, if,

553
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 3: if this ship's the bed and nothing happens, I'll uh,

554
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 3: I'll go to you know, get my ged and go

555
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 3: to junior college or something. Right, And I got the

556
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 3: first freaking job I went on. So it was like,

557
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 3: it was, yeah, the universe is like, all right, let's

558
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 3: do this. See what you got, young man. You know,

559
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 3: it was a trip.

560
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 4: How was it being on a set which with with

561
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 4: your dad at a young age and getting some extra spots?

562
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 3: It was It was pretty cool. But I can, like

563
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 3: to this day, remember what it felt like in a

564
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 3: close up in a movie of the week called the

565
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 3: Execution of Private Slovak and and and I remember being

566
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 3: so self aware, being suddenly kind of feeling every cell

567
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 3: in my body and not being able to relax, not

568
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 3: being able I was just walking along a buffet line

569
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 3: at a at a wedding in in the movie, right,

570
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 3: and and just then watching dad do it at the

571
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 3: level that he was able to or or that had

572
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 3: that he'd grown into, and then having that much more

573
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 3: respect for it, you know, that somebody could actually function

574
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 3: and think and breathe and move and just be comfortable

575
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 3: and focused. And oh and you've got four pages of dialogue,

576
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 3: you know, just that little detail.

577
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 4: What was it like being on set of Apocalypse? Now?

578
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 3: It was nuts? It was a nuts Yeah, no, it's

579
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 3: and I and I talk about this in the book

580
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 3: that you know, it was it was hard to be

581
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 3: you know, I was. I went there as a ten

582
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 3: year old, I left there as an eleven year old.

583
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 3: I spent a total of eight months in the Philippines,

584
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 3: you know, and and it was like whoa it was?

585
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 3: It was it was you know, we'd been to a

586
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 3: few places prior to that, you know, Mexico, Italy, places,

587
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 3: you know, different states, and and the Philippines was just

588
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 3: like another planet.

589
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 4: You know.

590
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 3: But it you know, I couldn't get a front row

591
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 3: seat for some of the most iconic moments in the film,

592
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 3: like I wasn't there for a napalm in the morning.

593
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 3: I wasn't like in the temple with some of Brando's stuff. Yeah. So,

594
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 3: but I was adjacent to all of it. I was

595
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,479
Speaker 3: like a base camp, you know. And then to see

596
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 3: everything when the film was put together, like what they

597
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 3: were doing, it was mind blowing, you know. But I

598
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 3: didn't see Dad at night or you know, anytime he

599
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 3: came back from work, and it was like okay, you know,

600
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 3: and you could tell immediately. It's like I talk about

601
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 3: in the book that learning to read the room at

602
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 3: a young age was so valuable, you know, and there

603
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 3: were days you just didn't you know, there was just

604
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 3: no opening to ask how is your day, pop, because

605
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 3: you could see it. And other days that that that

606
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 3: that invitation was there.

607
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 4: You know, welcome. Interesting. Your brother is probably one of

608
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 4: my favorite actors, and he's probably the best Billy the kid.

609
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 3: That's awesome. That's awesome. He's gonna love that.

610
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: You know.

611
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,239
Speaker 4: I'm a Western movie guy and I'm watching The New

612
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 4: Billy Kids and the guy's killing the now. But your

613
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 4: brother was the best. How's your relationship? How was your

614
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 4: relationship back then? How is it now? Back?

615
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 3: Like? How how far back then.

616
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 4: From the jump?

617
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 3: I mean, was it was? It was? It took some

618
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 3: time for us to like really develop the friendship that

619
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 3: that that it grew into. You know, he's I shouldn't

620
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 3: even say one of I think. I mean he's my

621
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 3: best friend.

622
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know.

623
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 3: In fact, I told him that on the phone like

624
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 3: a week ago, and I'm like, is this this may

625
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 3: sound weird, dude, but I think you're like my best.

626
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 4: Friend, but he should be.

627
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he and he was like not weird at all, dude, Ditto,

628
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 3: Like cool, let's never talk about that again. But uh no,

629
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 3: he's he's he's, he's he's a bad mbree man. Yeah,

630
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,919
Speaker 3: really so smart and funny and cool, but no, we

631
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 3: fought man cats and dogs like you can't believe growing up.

632
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: What's the age difference between you two?

633
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,399
Speaker 3: He's it got three years from me. Yeah, we had

634
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,720
Speaker 3: a fight so bad one night. I like I couldn't

635
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 3: get a date in high school to save my life,

636
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 3: and I like finally got one. And I was like, dude,

637
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 3: I need to borrow your truck. I can't pick this

638
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 3: girl up and that piece of ship i'm driving. Let

639
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 3: me let me roll up in something cool. And he

640
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 3: was like not a chance. And I'm like, don't you

641
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 3: even care, like who the date is with? He was

642
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 3: like that part doesn't matter. You're not driving my car.

643
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 3: And I had come home from Jack in the Box

644
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 3: and I had a Chicken Supreme and my hand and

645
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,720
Speaker 3: a really good arm and I fired that thing across

646
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 3: the room in like eighty five miles an hour and

647
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 3: he ducked, but it hit the side of the door

648
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 3: right where his head was. I had pretty good aim also,

649
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 3: and he got like hit with all the di shrapnel,

650
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:27,760
Speaker 3: the fricking it exploding the grenade that it turned into

651
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 3: you know, and he starts running at me. I run

652
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 3: down the hall, locked my door, and it got to

653
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 3: the point where, you know, there were threats back and

654
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 3: forth on both sides, and we get a knock on

655
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 3: the door about fifteen minutes into it. The neighbor had

656
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 3: called the cops because they thought that there was like

657
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 3: something could result in a homicide. Yeah, that's how That's

658
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 3: how heated it got. And we literally like looked at

659
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 3: the cops and had to put our arms around each

660
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 3: other and you're like, everything's fine, officer, you know. But

661
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 3: then it just you know, we never went up for

662
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 3: the same roles, you know, except platoon, but not at

663
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 3: the same time. He had the job first, and then

664
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 3: the financing fell apart, and he was he was never

665
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 3: really that excited about the movie. And so when it

666
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 3: when it came back around like a year later, Oliver

667
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 3: called me back in for a second audition because the

668
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 3: first one was dog shit. I mean, it was terrible,

669
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 3: and there's a shot of it in the dock. It's

670
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 3: a quick clip, but it's me like hitting that fake joint.

671
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 3: That's that first audition that was a mess. So so

672
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 3: like there was this this rumor for years that that

673
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 3: I stole the role from A Milio. It's like, you

674
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 3: can't that that that didn't happen, you know, But.

675
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 4: How do you get the name?

676
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 3: Amilio's Well, Dad's Spanish Irish, right, So he went, yeah, no,

677
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 3: So he went with Ramone, my other brother Emilio, and

678
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 3: Carlos my sister Renee, right. So that's why he stayed

679
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 3: with the Stevez because it's got a balance, you know.

680
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 3: And then because I have an uncle, had an uncle

681
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 3: Carlos growing up, and so they'd yell for Carlos, we

682
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 3: both come running and we had to fix that. So

683
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 3: I was like, I'll be Charlie. I'll be Charlie. Let's

684
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 3: make it easier. So I was Charlie a Stevez for

685
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 3: a long time, and then when I became an actor,

686
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 3: decided I was going to give it a shot. I

687
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 3: went to Dad and I said, look, Emilio is already

688
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 3: checking that heritage box, right, And Dad got Sheen from

689
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 3: a famous televangelist from the fifties named Bishop Fulton Jay Sheen.

690
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 4: Right.

691
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 3: So, and he knew a casting director named Martin and

692
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 3: in New York City in like nineteen fifteen nine. Uh,

693
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 3: he was advised against having such a Hispanic sounding name, right,

694
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 3: and so he just mashed up Martin and Sheen and

695
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 3: like that. So I told him I wanted to honor

696
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 3: his you know, the sheen of it all. I could

697
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:22,760
Speaker 3: have been another tunnel for the book man.

698
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: But I like the way you put the bow on

699
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: it and presented it to him though, I like.

700
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 4: What was his response?

701
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 3: He said, well, okay, you you you you you make

702
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 3: a good argument.

703
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, good to be So I'm like, okay, I'll let

704
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: you do it.

705
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, because Milio thought about Sheen but then realized that

706
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 3: it kind of doesn't have because you want, you want

707
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 3: a name that people can remember because it's got a

708
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 3: ring to it, you know, it just kind of has

709
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 3: a smoothness, you know.

710
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, so too of your you know, first big

711
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:59,760
Speaker 1: breaks for Oliver Stone movies Wall Street and then obviously Platoon.

712
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 3: Talk about out here, No, go ahead, okay, we do

713
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 3: a lot worse awesome right now?

714
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: What is the mindset of a Wall Street? And then

715
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: flipping the script completely for a Platoon? What was that

716
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: like for you? And then working with Oliver Stone in

717
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: both those veins.

718
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:23,439
Speaker 3: Well, Platoon happened first, yeah, and then There's a story

719
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 3: I talk about in the book where I agreed to

720
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 3: do wall Street during Platoon, like at the very end

721
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 3: of Platoon, and Oliver and I had had were in

722
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 3: such great creative sync on that film because I was

723
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 3: basically playing him his his Vietnam experience, you know, and

724
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 3: and you know, we were just we had like this

725
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 3: this cosmic thread between us that was he would think

726
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 3: things that he'd want me to do in a scene

727
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 3: in a certain take, and I would just do them

728
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 3: right this ship like that was happening. So he he

729
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 3: was already playing ning wall Street, and he wanted to

730
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 3: like something that would serve as a contract, And so

731
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 3: I signed a napkin in the Jungle, committing myself to

732
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 3: wall Street, not reading the script, not really knowing what

733
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 3: the hell it was about. He said, uh, he said,

734
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 3: it's the story of a young trader, Uh, seduced by

735
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 3: the promise of quick gains. That's pretty general. It's a

736
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 3: little bit general, right, And no, and then I, you know,

737
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 3: I do talk about that the the experience in the

738
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 3: concrete jungle of wall Street wasn't what we had captured

739
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 3: in the Philippine jungle. Yeah, it was because he had

740
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 3: put so much pressure on himself to have a follow

741
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 3: up to Platoon that had equal impact, that would generate,

742
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 3: would garner equal respect and awards, attention and all that stuff,

743
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 3: And it's like, that's not you got to let the

744
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 3: people decide that shit, right, and and he and so

745
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 3: I think that affected how he approached Wall Street.

746
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 4: Interesting.

747
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 1: You know that the first opportunity you got to work

748
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: alongside your dad as a as a star in the movie.

749
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm trying to think if there was anything before that.

750
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 3: There might have been like a cameo in the TV

751
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,919
Speaker 3: thing that he was doing, but nothing that substantial for you. Yeah,

752
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 3: for me, Yeah, it was, it was, it was. It

753
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 3: was terrific. It was yeah, it it's you know, I

754
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 3: mean it's kind of a trip. You know, you've been

755
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 3: watching this guy from the sidelines your whole life and

756
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 3: and then suddenly, yeah, he's he's passing you the ball, right.

757
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 3: But it's also you don't you kind of don't want

758
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 3: to overstep, if that if that makes sense. It's you know,

759
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 3: this this thing about fathers and sons, you know, and

760
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 3: especially like in a in a professional setting, there's kind

761
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 3: of you just don't want to you don't.

762
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 1: Want It's not just dad any he is, but he isn't.

763
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 3: Right right right? Yeah, but you still, I just always

764
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 3: wanted to let him have the you know, most of

765
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 3: the spotlight when because I just felt it was more earned.

766
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 3: You know, basically I wasn't going to show up and

767
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 3: to tell him how to do any part of what

768
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 3: he was up to. You know, there were times yeah when, yeah,

769
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 3: when he would just pull me aside and say, okay,

770
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 3: the first part of that was terrific, but that last thing.

771
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 3: Maybe just think about something in this direction.

772
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 4: You know, nobody wants you to be better than them,

773
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 4: more than your father, and I just that's just how,

774
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 4: just how it is. Fathers want you to be better than.

775
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 3: Him, right, dig But but it's still really difficult to

776
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 3: accept that and then you know, try to excel in

777
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 3: a way to achieve that.

778
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 4: Well, when your dad, when your dad is who he is,

779
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:08,720
Speaker 4: you got a different battle.

780
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:09,479
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.

781
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. Yeah, my son too, Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly,

782
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 4: our children too. It's harder.

783
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 3: Is is your son a ballplayer?

784
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 4: Yes? My youngest son is. Is he in the league, No,

785
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 4: But he's trying. He's going to college. Next year, all

786
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 4: right on, okay, cool, but it's harder for him. The

787
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 4: best thing, the best conversations I have with him will

788
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 4: let him know that his journey is different from mine,

789
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 4: of course, and he understands.

790
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 3: That right, and the world is different.

791
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 4: Yes, exactly right.

792
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 3: That's the thing I mean. It's like it's hard to

793
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:43,919
Speaker 3: draw any comparisons even you do you have twins? Yeah?

794
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 3: I do too. Yeah, years are fifteen, sixteen, sixteen minor sixteen?

795
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,240
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, there are they in sports?

796
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 3: Yes, Bob used to be picked up the guitar and

797
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 3: put down the football and Max picked up the football. Fraternal?

798
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 4: Yeah?

799
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 3: Are yours identical? Oh damn?

800
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: I still mix them up? But yeah, wow, how that's dope?

801
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: How special is that? Because I don't think you do.

802
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 1: They have an amazing bond.

803
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 3: When they're together. They do, okay, yeah, but one Bob

804
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 3: favors mom in Max's team dad, you know, and so

805
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 3: you know Mom's not as stable as Dad. That's all right,

806
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 3: you know, people get their when to get there, right,

807
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 3: So yeah, we just have to kind of get back

808
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 3: to a place where everybody lives in the same state

809
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 3: at least right, same neighborhood even and then yeah, because

810
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 3: it's for for forget about brooking myself, it's about those two, right,

811
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 3: and and because twins have that thing.

812
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 1: That's like like best friends for life. Wow, it's an

813
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: interesting I was wondering if your boys had.

814
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 3: The kind of thing admits that he misses Bob Bob

815
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 3: pretends he doesn't like fucking Max doesn't exist, you know,

816
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 3: but Bob Bob, I think does love him somewhere in there.

817
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, love it.

818
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: Ferris Bueller in eighty six, Oh damn heard that the part.

819
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: You stayed away for forty eight hours to kind of

820
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: achieve the authenticity that you felt like that character needed.

821
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought he should look fatigued.

822
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 4: He did it.

823
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, And but for the audition that never turned into

824
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 3: an audition. I drove the Long Beach and my brother

825
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 3: Ramon had loaned me because he was going through a

826
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 3: punk rock phase, right, and so yeah, the jacket, the

827
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 3: boots and I and I went down there thanks to

828
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 3: Jennifer Gray, who I knew from Red Dawn, and I

829
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,280
Speaker 3: went down there on a day they were shooting something else,

830
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 3: thinking I was going to read the scene and then

831
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 3: get the part or not, and ran into John Hughes

832
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 3: in the parking lot and he was like, oh, you

833
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 3: look great, kid, I'll see you next week.

834
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: So there was no audition late weren't you late to

835
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: it or something?

836
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 3: Well, that was the second time now I had the job,

837
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 3: and I had used Ramone's cigarette ash from his fancy

838
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 3: David offs right and blackened my eyes to look just

839
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 3: for that first meeting. And then I thought, okay, let's

840
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 3: let's make that darkness real and stayed up for a

841
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,439
Speaker 3: while and then did that thing, did that thing where

842
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 3: I'll just get three hours, I'll be fine, and just

843
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 3: hit the snooze button like fifteen times and woke up

844
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 3: two hours late and in Santa Monica to Long Beach

845
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 3: and was like, oh my god. Yeah, And I got

846
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 3: down there and Jennifer was out of her mind yelling

847
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 3: at me and just you know, how could you because

848
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 3: she got me the gig basically, and now I'm making

849
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 3: her look bad. But then I got I got on set,

850
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 3: you know, and went through makeup, rushed to the set

851
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 3: and hughes like looks at me. I thought it was

852
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 3: gonna be a continueuation of the same drubbing that I

853
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 3: just received, and he was like, oh good, you're here.

854
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 3: Let's start. Wow, like, okay, there's a man that's just

855
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 3: dealing with things like right in the moment, you know.

856
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 3: And and so we started so her in that scene,

857
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 3: like the attitude that she has towards me on camera,

858
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 3: it's not even yeah, no acting involved, no acting. And

859
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 3: then it's interesting because you know, I'd done a few

860
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 3: lead roles and had a couple of things and nothing

861
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 3: that really you know, brought any real attention. But at

862
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 3: least the film community knew that I was. I was,

863
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 3: you know, making some headway, and and then I do

864
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 3: this three minutes on film and and it just boom.

865
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 3: It was I guess it was that pre platoon, you know,

866
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,919
Speaker 3: a little little taste before it all you know went

867
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 3: off the rails. But and so that that was interesting

868
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 3: to realize, Okay, maybe it's not the size of the part.

869
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 3: It's it's it's what you do with with what you

870
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,959
Speaker 3: were given. You know, I'd be like a guy coming

871
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 3: in the final three minutes and you know, shoots five

872
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 3: for six right and and and and and changes the game.

873
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 3: But yeah, it so that that was really cool just

874
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 3: to suddenly the mileage the street cred out of that

875
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 3: you know that that that could have you know, I

876
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 3: could have gotten a long beach and they were like,

877
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 3: we had to recast it. You didn't show up, you know,

878
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 3: So you just never just never know. You just never know.

879
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: One of my favorite movies is when you teamed up

880
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: with Chris Tucker as victim oone Junior in Money Talks.

881
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: Thank You, Thank You, Heather Lockley or yourself?

882
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 4: What was that? What was that experience? Like?

883
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 3: It was it was a trip he I think he

884
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 3: had only done was it was it Friday, the only

885
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 3: thing he had done basically right. And I didn't know

886
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 3: a lot about him, but I met him and I

887
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 3: was like, wow, this dude is that he's He's there's

888
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 3: something going on that was It was special. It was special,

889
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 3: And and they hired this one director and Chris just

890
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 3: knew like on day one. I mean we hadn't started

891
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 3: shooting at but just in the rehearsals or meetings or whatever,

892
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 3: and Chris would say this, this, this, this ain't the dude,

893
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 3: this ain't the guy. I'm like, you've done one movie,

894
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 3: what you know? But but he was right. And so

895
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 3: they brought in Brett Ratner. Yeah, they brought in Brett

896
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 3: like a week before we started, and then just you know,

897
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 3: working on the stuff with Chris, it's you know, I

898
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 3: would only learn this scene to a degree because at

899
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 3: some point he's just gonna he's just gonna take it

900
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 3: in different directions, you know, just through instinct and and

901
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 3: you know, brilliant just comedic awareness and all of that.

902
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 3: You know, he just had the whole package.

903
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 4: Did he have you in tears doing that recording? Crying? Laft?

904
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 4: Did have you crying? Laugh and doing the recording of

905
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 4: the movie.

906
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 3: There there there, There were a few days yeah, yeah,

907
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 3: but then we started having too much fun together and

908
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 3: I started you know, tipping them back a little early

909
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 3: in the day, and so it was starting to do

910
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 3: do that thing.

911
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, but y though sometimes that helps the d quick

912
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 2: questions just for a real pussion go by.

913
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 4: What is that? Like a g was that written? Or

914
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,280
Speaker 4: was that? Was that? Was that a sheen?

915
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 3: That was a sheene thing?

916
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 4: But I was, I was.

917
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 3: I was rolling with this dude named Jason, right, he

918
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 3: was my dope dealer actually, and so I said, look,

919
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 3: I don't like what's here. You spent a lot of

920
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 3: time in the hoods, so like, give me a couple

921
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 3: of pieces that might feel organic to but clunky from

922
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 3: a white dude.

923
00:50:58,239 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay.

924
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 3: And Jason was like, okay, kicking in the cut okay

925
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 3: and whatever else was in that that thought, this is

926
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 3: this all came. This all came from Jason. I just

927
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 3: ran it all together. But I but I went to

928
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,399
Speaker 3: Chris before we shot it. I'm like, hey, dude, are

929
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 3: we cool with this? I mean, is this like am

930
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 3: I sleep sweek?

931
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 4: Man sleep sweek?

932
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 3: I said, are we are we stepping in am I

933
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 3: stepping in ship? With any of this? He was like, oh,

934
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 3: hell no.

935
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: Go go for it. Yeah, you definitely clunked it for

936
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 1: the White Side. You did a good job with that.

937
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you.

938
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 1: Is it true you let christ of Ferrar and he

939
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: kept it so long he forgot you gave it to him.

940
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 3: I forgot, I forgot to get Yeah, yeah, that is true.

941
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 3: That is true. Imagine that it was Also, there were

942
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 3: so many there were so many cars in the driveway

943
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 3: back then. It was cool to have another parking space open,

944
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, And I just figured I didn't know,

945
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 3: you know what, really what he's his backstory was. I

946
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 3: was just like, hey man, I'm having a hell of

947
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 3: a time in this thing. You want to check it out.

948
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 3: And he thought we were going too, He thought we

949
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 3: were going to drive together. And I was like I

950
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 3: just handing him the keys, you know, and uh, he

951
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 3: was like okay, just I'm like, I don't know, man,

952
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 3: just let me know. Just call it, you know, I'll

953
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:21,479
Speaker 3: see you in a couple of days.

954
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 4: And he was like what everybody would have been, like

955
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 4: what yeah?

956
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 3: And then no, he I don't think he took it

957
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:36,479
Speaker 3: over like sixty though. He was like careful, like really nervous. Yeah.

958
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 3: And I got that car. At the time, I was

959
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 3: the voice of Taco Bell, right, and it was that

960
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 3: whole campaign make a run for the border if you

961
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 3: remember that one right.

962
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,240
Speaker 1: That wouldn't fly to well right now, we'll go ahead,

963
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: yeah right.

964
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 3: Damn. That shit was ahead of its time.

965
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 4: So so.

966
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 3: So paid me pretty good for you know, the first

967
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,879
Speaker 3: few spots, and then I started looking at that car,

968
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 3: and after taxes, I was left with exactly what the

969
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 3: car costs, and the math made perfect sense, right forget

970
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 3: other bills, and I went and bought the car. And

971
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 3: then I was kind of feeling fancy about, you know,

972
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 3: me and Taco Bell. I had a license plate made

973
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,879
Speaker 3: that said taco bell, right, put it on the damn

974
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 3: thing driving around a Taco Bell ferrari.

975
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 1: Right.

976
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 3: And then there was a thing they were going to

977
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 3: re up for the next year or two years, and

978
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 3: if they didn't, they had to give me another bag

979
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 3: of dough. And they said, look, we're going in a

980
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 3: different direction. And I've already got you know, I've got

981
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 3: the Taco Bell ferrari. And they said we're going in

982
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 3: a different direction. And that's when they hired the Chihuahua

983
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 3: Yo Kiato taco bell. Yeah.

984
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,959
Speaker 4: Man, I was ghetto Tao.

985
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was the last guy before. Yeah, and now

986
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 3: I'm stuck with a Tacobo ferrari.

987
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:07,439
Speaker 4: Oh he brought it back.

988
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 3: What's that? Oh he did absolutely?

989
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 4: Yeah.

990
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, but there was a little backstory with that car.

991
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: You know.

992
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love it. Ricky wild Thing Vaughn one of

993
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 4: the greatest sports movie characters ever. Thank you. Can we

994
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 4: talk about the wild Things? Yeah? How was it playing

995
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,760
Speaker 4: the wild Thing? And how did you get into character

996
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 4: to play him with the baseball background? Yeah? Well, I.

997
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 3: The script was amazing. I mean, the script was it

998
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 3: was just you just shoot everything that's on the page,

999
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 3: you know, it was it was David Ward directed it,

1000
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 3: wrote it. He won the Oscar for the sting when

1001
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 3: he was like twenty two. Really smart, really really funny,

1002
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 3: really good dude, huge baseball fan. You can always tell

1003
00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:59,799
Speaker 3: how much someone knows about the game they're writing about

1004
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 3: on the page, you know. And yeah, I had one

1005
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 3: meeting with him and and he was like, well, you

1006
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 3: you pitched in high school. I'm like, yeah, and that

1007
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 3: was only you know, four years ago, right, five years right?

1008
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1009
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 3: And he said, can you give me something that I

1010
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 3: can because we didn't have computers back then. We had

1011
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 3: to you just use clever editing, you know. I said, well,

1012
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 3: you can film me. You can film me in a

1013
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 3: full wind up that that that I guarantee. But I

1014
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 3: you know, I can't throw ninety eight or one hundred

1015
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 3: or I'd be doing it for a living. But I

1016
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 3: could probably get you somewhere in the mid eighties.

1017
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: It's still good, not bad, you know.

1018
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 3: So I did a bunch of steroids, right and uh,

1019
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,399
Speaker 3: because I was only throwing like seventy six at the time,

1020
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 3: and I had this trainer. This guy was a running

1021
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 3: back at VYU, and he had a he knew a

1022
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 3: guy that could get the steroids, and so we're at

1023
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 3: golds Gym and pump it, yeah man, and and put

1024
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:00,879
Speaker 3: literally put ten miles per hour on my freaking really yeah,

1025
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:01,359
Speaker 3: how long?

1026
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 4: How much time?

1027
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 3: Six weeks?

1028
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 4: Holy?

1029
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 1: Yeah? Man.

1030
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 3: I mean I was a little nutty during the thing,

1031
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 3: you know.

1032
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:11,839
Speaker 1: But it was a character though.

1033
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 4: Juice.

1034
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I didn't continue juicing throughout the movie because

1035
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 3: they brought in a dude named Marty Cove.

1036
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 1: You know who that is.

1037
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 3: He's the he's the he's he runs on on cobra

1038
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:31,879
Speaker 3: kind you know, karate kid, He's the he's the other

1039
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 3: sense at the Evil Dojo.

1040
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:36,439
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1041
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:41,399
Speaker 3: They brought him into audition for Dorn for Corman Burns

1042
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 3: in the third Base Bank, and uh, I was still,

1043
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 3: you know, doing the jabs. He was a little bit

1044
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 3: kind of into whatever wherever his headspace was. And in

1045
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 3: a bar one night, he and I almost got in

1046
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 3: a fight with like fifteen dudes. And I'm not I

1047
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 3: don't get to fight with one dude.

1048
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 4: That's just not my thing.

1049
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 3: But Marty kind of was leading the charge that night,

1050
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 3: and then ward got back to the production and then

1051
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 3: like literally later on that afternoon, Corbyn Bernson is just

1052
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 3: walking up. Yeah, and he's like, hey, good to see you.

1053
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 3: So I was he was terrific.

1054
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 4: He was terrific. Yeah, he killed Yeah, he was great.

1055
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 3: But so yeah, the thing that was difficult about Major

1056
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 3: League is that I didn't have the luxury of a like,

1057
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 3: you know, four or five days between starts, and I

1058
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 3: would throw some nights one hundred and fifty hundred and

1059
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 3: sixty pitches just low oh man, yeah, just all the

1060
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:50,439
Speaker 3: different coverage, all the different pieces, and then the next

1061
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 3: day after come back and throw eighty five or one

1062
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 3: hundred more, and it was just like career, Yeah, can

1063
00:57:57,720 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 3: we have scheduled?

1064
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 1: Can I get a day off? Thank you?

1065
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 3: But they can only have the stadium. The specific amount

1066
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 3: of time that Whip Stadium was that that was in

1067
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 3: Milwaukee Oy. Yeah, So would that have been Miller or

1068
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 3: would have been U that had been County?

1069
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 1: I think Miller's new or right, so it was probably

1070
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 1: the older one, right, was it County Stadium?

1071
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 3: But there was one scene where they literally had like

1072
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 3: thirty two thousand people in the stands. Whoah, you know,

1073
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 3: I mean it wasn't sold out, but the way they

1074
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 3: filmed it when when when we run out, I didn't

1075
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 3: run out. But when the team runs out and you

1076
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 3: could you could feel it. I mean it was like whoa, yeah,

1077
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 3: I love it. But when I come out of the

1078
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 3: bullpen for that, you know that classic moment. It was

1079
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 3: like three in the morning. There was like sixty people left.

1080
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 3: Everybody's falling asleep. I was like, it was yeah, there

1081
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 3: was not They had cutouts of people like right on

1082
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 3: the edge of frame. They like squeezing everybody in. It

1083
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 3: was a trip.

1084
00:58:57,680 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back and watch it now and check

1085
00:58:59,160 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 1: that out.

1086
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 3: And I don't think anybody walked out any relief pitcher

1087
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 3: walked out to a song prior to that.

1088
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 4: Did you set the tone with that?

1089
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 3: I think that trans so it is. It is such

1090
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 3: a to just to see that that then becomes a

1091
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 3: part of the game. And then I'm watching. I watch

1092
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 3: a lot of baseball.

1093
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 4: Have you have you heard of banana baseball?

1094
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 3: I have, indeed. Yeah, yeah, those guys are all about it,

1095
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 3: are they?

1096
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 4: Damn? But just.

1097
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 3: If you just any game, any game, no matter who's playing,

1098
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 3: at some point someone's going to quote something from Major Question.

1099
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 3: A guy throws one of the backstop and then one

1100
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 3: of the announcers going to say just a bit outside.

1101
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: Also speak about because it went from Willie Mays Hayes

1102
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 1: to what you m call it to Omar to Omar good,

1103
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 1: excuse me to Omar. Yeah, so when was that switch?

1104
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: That was after the second one, that was for.

1105
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 3: The second Yeah, everybody came back except Wesley. I think

1106
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 3: he was blatant by then. Yeah.

1107
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 4: He was fast.

1108
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 3: He was fast.

1109
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 4: He he a hoop too.

1110
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: From white man can't jump, he could. He could.

1111
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 3: He could mimic things because he never played. But he

1112
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 3: did something though that is really really hard to achieve.

1113
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 3: He could hit a pop up like at will because

1114
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 3: he has to pop up once in spring training and

1115
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 3: another time during a game. During the game, he does

1116
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 3: this the push ups again, right, and trying to teach

1117
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 3: somebody to hit the bottom of the baseball. That's that's

1118
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 3: like not easy because intuitively you want to hit the

1119
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 3: center of the baseball, right, But no, he was terrific.

1120
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 3: And if they brought the dude in, I just I

1121
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 3: couldn't get my mind around. Well, now, just just pretend

1122
01:00:58,480 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 3: it's the same guy.

1123
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 1: And I was like, but isn't that kind of like

1124
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 1: aren't we told all black people don't look the same?

1125
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 4: No?

1126
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 3: It was it was, and this is nineteen ninety four,

1127
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 3: but still I wasn't down with it. I thought it

1128
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 3: would have been better for the story. Also if he's

1129
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 3: just something happened to him, or he you know, got

1130
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 3: arrested in a foreign country and he couldn't make it back,

1131
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 3: or something just more creative. And then they just another

1132
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 3: dude shows up. You know, we have to go out

1133
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 3: and find a new center fielder, right, rather than what

1134
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 3: they landed on right right, you know.

1135
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 4: Interesting, but no, it Major League is.

1136
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 3: A career highlight for me and is just a gift

1137
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 3: that keeps giving. There was a time when I would

1138
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 3: go to baseball games in any state in the country

1139
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 3: and buy a shitty ticket and just get get inside

1140
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 3: the stadium. And then it was just the first security

1141
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 3: guard He's like, oh, what are you doing way up here?

1142
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 3: And then suddenly I'm down into the thing. And then

1143
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 3: after the game like kind of start wandering the hallways,

1144
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 3: you know, like you see the signs of the clubhouse

1145
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 3: and then they're like, hey, what are you doing here?

1146
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 3: And then and then and then you're in with the players. Yeah,

1147
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 3: it was like it was a backstage pass to Major

1148
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 3: League Baseball, all access paths and it was that was cool.

1149
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 3: That was some fantasy ship. No, that was in the script. Yeah,

1150
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 3: everything was on the page, which is like mind blowing

1151
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 3: that David just saw all of that stuff.

1152
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 1: You know, big memorabilia collector. What's in what's in your

1153
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame of memorabilia? You got the ball that

1154
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 1: went through Bill Butler's legs? Yes?

1155
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 4: How that? How did that happen?

1156
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 3: That happened? I didn't attend the auction, but I was

1157
01:02:55,560 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 3: in Hawaii laying Maui and I was getting in shape

1158
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 3: for hot shots part due with no steroids. So I

1159
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 3: was like, damn, you're pretty ripped up man, what you know,

1160
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 3: what were you taking? And I'm like sushi water?

1161
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 4: Uh No.

1162
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 3: I was working out eight hours a day.

1163
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 4: Wow.

1164
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:24,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, in the pool and the gym, doing yoga, running

1165
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 3: just it was not so but I was still collecting,

1166
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 3: not the but the hobby hadn't gotten to where it

1167
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:40,120
Speaker 3: was headed. And my guy Josh Evans from Leland's big

1168
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 3: auction house back then, he was representing me at the

1169
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 3: auction where we knew the Mookie Ball was coming up

1170
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 3: for auction, and I think it opened at like twenty

1171
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 3: five and then all it takes is somebody in the

1172
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 3: room and somebody on the phone that that you know,

1173
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 3: are just they have the same goal. Yeah, and then

1174
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 3: it got to a place where the other dude tapped

1175
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 3: out and Josh was like, it's yours for ninety and

1176
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 3: I'm like, let's get it. And then he says, do

1177
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 3: you want me to say that it's you? I'm like, yeah,

1178
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 3: why not?

1179
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 1: You know, And so.

1180
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 3: That a couple like maybe that. The next night, Millio

1181
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 3: calls me in Hawaiian He's like, did you see Peter

1182
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 3: Jennings on the on the evening news. I'm like, no,

1183
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 3: I'm working out, you know, he says. He closed the

1184
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 3: broadcast by saying, and in other news, actor Charlie Sheen

1185
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 3: spent ninety thousand dollars on a baseball and closed his show.

1186
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 3: So it's kind of when you think about it, Josh

1187
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 3: would describe it, that's it really rang the bell in

1188
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 3: that hobby because nothing up until that point was going

1189
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 3: for the insane money that you see now, So that

1190
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 3: really it set the tone a little bit. Yeah, that

1191
01:04:56,320 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 3: specific item, and then I went a little did deep

1192
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 3: with it. I went a little I took it a

1193
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 3: bit far, but I wasn't you know. I was building

1194
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 3: display cases, and I was like presenting the stuff and

1195
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 3: trying to do a better job than Cooper's Town, because

1196
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 3: I went to Cooperstown and I look in the back

1197
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 3: of the thing and there's like a dead moth in

1198
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 3: one of their cases. I'm like, what are you guys doing? Right,

1199
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 3: there's one of those. So, yeah, myn were all humidity

1200
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 3: controlled and fiber optically lit, you know, the whole package, right,

1201
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 3: And then I felt like I was hoarding. I was hoarding.

1202
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 3: And yeah, there was a moment when I opened a

1203
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 3: drawer in my bedroom and there was a Ted Williams

1204
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 3: road jersey in there from the year he hit four

1205
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 3: oh six and it wasn't in a case, and I thought, dude,

1206
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 3: you got too much stuff. And that's when I decided

1207
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 3: to just start cycling it all back in. But I

1208
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 3: did on the Ruth Ring, the twenty seven world series

1209
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 3: Ruth Ring Really, and the contract that sold him to

1210
01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 3: the Yankees in nineteen twenty. Yeah, and I sat on

1211
01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 3: that for a while and had it in case just

1212
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 3: on its own, those two items, and built a bar

1213
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 3: upstairs in my house off my bedroom that was.

1214
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:11,480
Speaker 4: Called Babes Really interesting.

1215
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 3: People thought, oh, because of the girls. I'm like, no, babe, Ruth, yeah,

1216
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 3: I love it real quick.

1217
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 1: We know we're running out of time.

1218
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 3: Okay, sorry, no, no, no, no, I'm just saying.

1219
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:21,920
Speaker 1: We just want to touch on two and a half. Men.

1220
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 1: Massive hit made you, at the time the highest power

1221
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 1: of the steel highest paid actor in TV.

1222
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:31,520
Speaker 4: What was that run like? You said it?

1223
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 1: You know, offully closely mirrored your real life.

1224
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 4: So what was that run like? It was?

1225
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:36,480
Speaker 3: It was exciting as hell.

1226
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 4: We we were.

1227
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 3: They were saying that the sitcom was dead and that

1228
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 3: reality TV was the new model because you could make

1229
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 3: you know, you didn't the shows what you could make

1230
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 3: them at a tenth of the cost. You don't have

1231
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 3: to pay a bunch of famous people you know, are

1232
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 3: known actors, and you didn't have to pitch of writers

1233
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 3: because everything in reality is kind of spurred the moment,

1234
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 3: you know.

1235
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 1: And so.

1236
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 3: They were betting against us, and they and they were like, you, guys, uh,

1237
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 3: maybe if you tried this ten years ago, you'd have

1238
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 3: a shot. I mean, everybody was betting against us, you know.

1239
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 4: And so.

1240
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 3: When we hit, when we you know, we we knew

1241
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 3: what we had and we knew we also had, uh,

1242
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 3: the the the value of the whole NFL advertising behemoth.

1243
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 2: You know.

1244
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 3: So we're a Monday show, Monday Night show, and Sunday

1245
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 3: they're playing all those commercials, you know, and it's like,

1246
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:42,880
Speaker 3: so no, we we we we landed with with with

1247
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 3: with a splash, And then and then it did that

1248
01:07:47,000 --> 01:07:51,000
Speaker 3: audience stayed loyal and and it was going pretty good

1249
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 3: for a while, and then you know, it wasn't. Then

1250
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:57,479
Speaker 3: it wasn't. Yeah, and and I and I get into

1251
01:07:57,520 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 3: that in the book in a way. I think it's

1252
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:05,960
Speaker 3: really interesting because there's really nothing about not disrespectfully just

1253
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 3: just to really focus on the true motivators for that,

1254
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 3: the thing that the meltdown, you know, and it was

1255
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:20,200
Speaker 3: all shit in my personal life. You know, I can't

1256
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 3: put that on a guy that basically built a dream

1257
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:28,400
Speaker 3: scenario for me, you know, I mean, wrote a entire

1258
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 3: show based on the stuff that he thought I'd be,

1259
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 3: you know, perfect perfectly suited for because I already lived it,

1260
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, and it just got to the point,

1261
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:43,400
Speaker 3: you know, I had four kids during those eight years,

1262
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:47,479
Speaker 3: went through two really public and messy divorces, and just

1263
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:51,600
Speaker 3: couldn't couldn't separate the two, and it just it was

1264
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 3: just too much, you know. So sucks how it ended,

1265
01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 3: but I am proud of what was left behind before it,

1266
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 3: before it wandered off the path.

1267
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 1: Although there's many more chapters in this journey of life

1268
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 1: for you. When you kind of sit back at this

1269
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 1: age and look back at what you've been through, what

1270
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:15,599
Speaker 1: you've overcome, what you've accomplished, your children, your your family,

1271
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:17,439
Speaker 1: what what what comes to mind?

1272
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:28,839
Speaker 3: It's interesting. It's a really good question. Bill Maher actually

1273
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:33,240
Speaker 3: said something about a month ago on his show, and

1274
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:35,640
Speaker 3: it really it really struck me in a way. I

1275
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 3: hadn't really heard it framed like he like he presented

1276
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 3: it before. He said, you know, you're you're a good

1277
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:48,679
Speaker 3: guy who did some bad things. And I thought, okay,

1278
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:51,559
Speaker 3: I'm gonna roll with that, because that's that's a pretty

1279
01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:56,720
Speaker 3: you know, compact way to present it or just kind

1280
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 3: of process it.

1281
01:09:59,280 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 1: You know.

1282
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I feel like it was always I

1283
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 3: had this pattern of do a bunch of cool shit,

1284
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:10,720
Speaker 3: and then some ship that didn't that you know, it

1285
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:12,880
Speaker 3: kind of went south, and then a bunch of cool

1286
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:15,640
Speaker 3: shit and then and it just like these peaks and

1287
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 3: valleys and peaks and valleys, and that is that shit

1288
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 3: is exhausting. It's exhausting, right, And so I'm I'm at

1289
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:28,560
Speaker 3: a place where there's nothing not to sound arrogant, but

1290
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:31,720
Speaker 3: I have nothing to prove. I have nothing to prove

1291
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 3: as a drinker, as a doper, and and then I

1292
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:42,320
Speaker 3: as an actor, I have things left to explore. You know.

1293
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 3: I would consider going back on television, but in either

1294
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:52,040
Speaker 3: genre to do like an intense drama, you know, played

1295
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:55,439
Speaker 3: like do something like a true detective or you know,

1296
01:10:56,160 --> 01:11:03,800
Speaker 3: or a fabulous sitcom, which I've found. So that's yeah,

1297
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 3: and that that's exciting. So there's for the first time

1298
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:11,680
Speaker 3: in a long time, I have choices and and not

1299
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 3: so much distraction and clutter to.

1300
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:18,880
Speaker 4: To make the wrong one to interfere. Yeah.

1301
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:21,639
Speaker 3: So no, I'm I'm excited about whatever's next.

1302
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 3: And and and I don't know, man, you know, turning

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01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 3: sixty is fine. It's kind of out of my hands, right,

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01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:39,960
Speaker 3: Oh Max, are you are? That's amazing? Jesus, I add

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01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 3: something to aspire to. But it tell me, if you

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01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:47,800
Speaker 3: relate to this, the lead up to sixty was like

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01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 3: oh fuck, oh shit, oh god, you know, and then

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01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:52,559
Speaker 3: you and in the day it was like, all right,

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01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:56,719
Speaker 3: it's Wednesday. All right, I feel the same, right.

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01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:59,800
Speaker 1: With a number, just a number, but it's cool.

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01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:03,479
Speaker 3: I think the wisdom that comes with it is uh

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01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:06,679
Speaker 3: is the ship you can't get in your thirties and forties, right.

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01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm looking forward to being lucky enough to

1315
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:09,559
Speaker 1: get there.

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01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:11,919
Speaker 4: If you need a criminal to chase in the detective,

1317
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:18,080
Speaker 4: I'm throwing I'm plowing it out there. I'm getting it

1318
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:21,160
Speaker 4: to act. I heard I could not tell Charlie Sheen

1319
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:22,600
Speaker 4: that I was wanting to get into act, and I

1320
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 4: will ask whole not to say.

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01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:26,720
Speaker 1: If anyone could make it happen, if you can make it.

1322
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:28,519
Speaker 4: Happen, all right, that serious?

1323
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 3: All right, done done?

1324
01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 4: Thank you? Yes. If I believe it too, I believe anybody.

1325
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:37,599
Speaker 4: I believe everybody that told me this, I believe him.

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01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:41,320
Speaker 3: If there's something going on where it's it's it's yes.

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01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:45,080
Speaker 1: Please, thank you, you have your criminals.

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01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 4: Thank you very much. I appreciate it.

1329
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 3: Right on, Thank you, my pleasure.

1330
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:50,800
Speaker 1: Quick hitters. First thing to come to mind, let us

1331
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:53,200
Speaker 1: know your top five actors of all time?

1332
01:12:54,360 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 3: Uh, Martin Sheen, Yes, Al Pacino, Marlon Brando, Sean Penn,

1333
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 3: Nicholas cage, uh de Niro.

1334
01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:15,080
Speaker 4: Some heat. Yeah, at the top of the line.

1335
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 3: Right, that's pretty good.

1336
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:17,320
Speaker 4: Childhood Crush.

1337
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 3: Crush, Oh gosh, Cindy Garvey, Steve's wife. Yeah, and then

1338
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:29,519
Speaker 3: and then Kathy Ireland.

1339
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:31,439
Speaker 1: What album you can listen to on repeat?

1340
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 3: The live double album? Uh led Zeppelin song remains the same?

1341
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:40,800
Speaker 1: Rank these three in your order?

1342
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 3: M J Kobe lebron the order you just presented them.

1343
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:46,720
Speaker 4: Okay, that's how I go.

1344
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:49,599
Speaker 1: Enough you simple enough?

1345
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 3: You co sign that? Yes, okay, okay, no disress, no

1346
01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:58,240
Speaker 3: disrespect mamba. But okay, yeah, right on.

1347
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:00,920
Speaker 4: This is the million dollar question. If you could see

1348
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:02,880
Speaker 4: one guest on our show, who would it be? But

1349
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:05,840
Speaker 4: you have to help us get your answer on the show.

1350
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:12,960
Speaker 4: Oh gosh, yeah yeah, but I think Charlie is. I

1351
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:14,879
Speaker 4: think Charlie is the one that could make it happen.

1352
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:22,680
Speaker 3: Though show Wow, Shoot for the Stars, Setting for the Moon, right,

1353
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 3: yeah yeah, or he hasn't been on Okay, his English

1354
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:29,920
Speaker 3: is improving.

1355
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 1: Yeah right, translator, yeah we can he's doing right now.

1356
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 3: How do you how do you even put words to it?

1357
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:39,960
Speaker 4: Of unbelievable?

1358
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:43,040
Speaker 3: Is there a better single game performing in.

1359
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:45,200
Speaker 4: The history not just playing just the history of baseball.

1360
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:49,599
Speaker 1: Probably I can't both sides, the dominance of both sides.

1361
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:52,840
Speaker 3: We got a little merch for you, Oh damn, okay.

1362
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 1: Some all the smoke merch. We got our coffee table book.

1363
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:55,879
Speaker 3: Hey beautiful.

1364
01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:58,400
Speaker 4: Make sure you go get Charlie Sheen's book.

1365
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 1: Yeah as well the book of she That's awesome.

1366
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:01,600
Speaker 4: Thank you.

1367
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 1: So you got a number fun doc on Netflix. Where

1368
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 1: can they find your book? Anywhere you can.

1369
01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 3: Find Amazon is the easiest place.

1370
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:08,559
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1371
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, And believe it or not, this thing you know

1372
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 3: was in the on the best seller I didn't hit

1373
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:19,479
Speaker 3: number one, who cares, that's what, but no, it was

1374
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:21,639
Speaker 3: on It was in the top ten for four weeks

1375
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 3: in a row.

1376
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:24,280
Speaker 1: Gratulations, which is pretty pretty unusual.

1377
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:27,960
Speaker 3: So thank you, yeah, thank you.

1378
01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 1: We just really want to thank you again. I mean,

1379
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:32,680
Speaker 1: being a big fan of you, getting a chance to see, uh,

1380
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:35,479
Speaker 1: the documentary was really kind of just a different vulnerable

1381
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 1: side that we don't get to see if people of

1382
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 1: your stature, and for you to be that vulnerable and

1383
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:41,720
Speaker 1: share and like Bill Marsai, you know, a good guy

1384
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 1: that's made some mistakes. I mean, it's an honor to

1385
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:45,920
Speaker 1: sit down with you, and we're happy that you have

1386
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:47,920
Speaker 1: so much clarity now and in best of luck moving for.

1387
01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:50,639
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, thank you. That's awesome.

1388
01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:51,679
Speaker 4: That's awesome.

1389
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:53,920
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1390
01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:55,000
Speaker 4: That's a wrap.

1391
01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:58,840
Speaker 1: You can catch this episode on the DraftKings Network and

1392
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:01,639
Speaker 1: All the Smoke Production YouTube.

1393
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:06,719
Speaker 4: We'll see you guys next week. M hm.

1394
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:11,439
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm

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Speaker 4: Mm hmm yeah