Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season two ninety seven,
Speaker 1: Episode two of Daly's Like Say production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: This is the podcast where we take I guess.
Speaker 1: You could say, a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's Wednesday, July twenty six, twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2: Oh you know what that means. It is National Coffee
Speaker 2: Milkshake Day, National Bagel Fest Day, National all or Nothing Day,
Speaker 2: National Aunt and Uncle stay. Shout out to the aunties
Speaker 2: out there. I don't say aunt, I say aunt. I
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know. Are you? Are you an auntie?
Speaker 2: Are your aunt?
Speaker 1: I think it's situational. Oh. I grew up playing in
Speaker 1: different places and some of them were aunts and some
Speaker 1: of them were ant. So like I think I call
Speaker 1: all of my aunt's aunts. I'm like Aunt Carolyn. Yea, yeah,
Speaker 1: because that's what when I was very young, that's what
Speaker 1: I how I was pronouncing it, but then definitely went
Speaker 1: through an aunt face.
Speaker 2: Oh I stay, never left, never left. I also shout
Speaker 2: out to it's National Disability Independence Day, so full of
Speaker 2: celebrations for life ones.
Speaker 1: Like whoever the dramatic motherfucker is? Who made it National
Speaker 1: all or Nothing?
Speaker 2: Day, Dude, the fucking picture on the website is a
Speaker 2: guy tight rope walking across like a chasm. It's like,
Speaker 2: oh shit, man, I could fucking die. Man. It's all
Speaker 2: or nothing, man. So yeah, I guess that's what you're
Speaker 2: supposed to do, is just go all in, don't hesitate.
Speaker 1: Just just be confident, happy, all or no. I think
Speaker 1: that's good advice for the modern world. Just go all in,
Speaker 1: you know, strong and wrong. It seems like that's working
Speaker 1: out well for all of us. My name is Jack
Speaker 1: O'Brien AKA.
Speaker 2: You don't know what.
Speaker 1: That fish should taste like, dude, you don't have a
Speaker 1: first clue which sweetish fruit? Ain't no particular taste. I'm
Speaker 1: betting you'll ever guess, but it's lingo refruit in your fish.
Speaker 1: That his courtesy of Scatty Magoo on the discord, and
Speaker 1: I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co host,
Speaker 1: mister Miles Groun.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's Miles Gray. Shout out to the
Speaker 2: Lord of Lancasham, the peace Keeper of Pasadena, for preventing
Speaker 2: full out brawls at the Rose Bowl. That is my AKA.
Speaker 2: Coming off that last weekend, I'm still I was telling
Speaker 2: you this after recording, I'm still like effected by this,
Speaker 2: by all that shit that was popping off in the stands.
Speaker 1: Anyway, these adults unresolved shit like fucking up their kids
Speaker 1: lives in real time. Yeah, like a very important developmental
Speaker 1: stages can be can be difficult.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I hope. I hope like in that child's
Speaker 2: formative memory he remembers me as the person that helped
Speaker 2: his father, you know, become just overly violent at a
Speaker 2: at a sporting event. And I wonder if his dad's like,
Speaker 2: if that one dude didn't freaking stop me, I would
Speaker 2: have stomped him out. Don't be lucked out, guy.
Speaker 1: So I told you about how I have that one
Speaker 1: kid who I imprinted on at like a very young
Speaker 1: age because it was when like I my job was
Speaker 1: pool boy and also like unofficial lifeguard, and I like
Speaker 1: jumped in it was a tiny pool. I just like
Speaker 1: waded over to him and pulled him out while he
Speaker 1: was drowning, and his mom like chose not to jump
Speaker 1: in when he was like, I was like, is he okay?
Speaker 1: Can he swim? Is that just a funny way that
Speaker 1: he swims? And then like I saw her like two
Speaker 1: days later, She's like, he won't stop talking about you.
Speaker 1: And he was like a real like violent kid like that.
Speaker 1: I was like noticing, like he was like stopping his
Speaker 1: little sister's like dolls on the head and.
Speaker 2: Shit, Oh wow, I'm just I feel.
Speaker 1: Like I'm on borrowed time and that kid's gonna show
Speaker 1: up at my door, like uh, Anton Sugar at some
Speaker 1: point in the next ten years and just be like
Speaker 1: a friend.
Speaker 2: Jack.
Speaker 1: That boy was me No got anyway. Miles to be
Speaker 1: joined by an Emmy Award winning comedian and the host
Speaker 1: of the new podcast Indecent, where she talks to experts
Speaker 1: about what isn't isn't considered acceptable in today's society. Who
Speaker 1: sets the boundaries for today's taboos. Please welcome to the
Speaker 1: show Kick you Inside.
Speaker 2: Hello, Thank you so much for joining us. You're an
Speaker 2: Emmy Award winning journalists, correct, and you're classing to join
Speaker 2: up by by coming over here. I like, what what
Speaker 2: made you transition from journalism to comedy. I'm always interested
Speaker 2: when people have like I went, I was a lobbyist
Speaker 2: and then was like, I want to do comedy. So
Speaker 2: I'm always interested when people are like, yeah, I did
Speaker 2: that got Miami. I got Miami. Now I'm doing comedy.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, you know, journalism is a hard, tough industry,
Speaker 3: and so I decided to go to comedy because it's
Speaker 3: notoriously easy.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Of course of
Speaker 2: course at least the laughs, at least everyone's laughing together
Speaker 2: when things are going bad in comedy, I guess watching
Speaker 2: like a.
Speaker 3: News yeah yeah, and I like getting paid nothing like
Speaker 3: it's good. So you knowialism comedy, it's all the same.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's exposure, exposure.
Speaker 1: Entry level comedy is like a pretty great track to
Speaker 1: be on. Parents was impressed, and you know, they're they're like,
Speaker 1: oh that's great, and so what do you be making
Speaker 1: next year and the year after that.
Speaker 2: It is funny though that it's like the same things,
Speaker 2: like where you see like interns who are like how
Speaker 2: are you able to be an intern at the New
Speaker 2: York Times and then get a job. It's like, well,
Speaker 2: my parents are like bankrolling. That's the same way. There's
Speaker 2: like comedians who are like the secret trust Fund. Comedians
Speaker 2: are like how are you out here without working every
Speaker 2: It's like oh yeah, yeah, secret.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, I do think there's comedians who like secretly
Speaker 3: work but they don't want people to think they're not
Speaker 3: full time comedian. It's like, I'm like, you have to
Speaker 3: be doing something during the day, right, Like right, you're not.
Speaker 2: Gig Yeah, yeah, yeah right. I'm a professor. Okay, cats up.
Speaker 1: God, this is so embarrassing. I'm a philosophy PhD and
Speaker 1: a professor Joe exposure.
Speaker 2: So I was at this thing where like a comedy
Speaker 2: club was like a presenting sponsor of like a like
Speaker 2: a jazz in the park day, and part of it
Speaker 2: was like, hey, just so you know, like I guess
Speaker 2: their thing was like as the jazz bands would kind
Speaker 2: of take a break, like a promoter from the comedy
Speaker 2: club would come out and try and get people like
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, you know a lot of people are
Speaker 2: stressed these days. You know what's good laughter, Come on
Speaker 2: down to the club. We got a lot of great
Speaker 2: comedians actually want to give you a taste. Now, this
Speaker 2: guy's coming up. His name's Robert. He does a lot
Speaker 2: of stuff for us at the comedy club, but he's
Speaker 2: now doing a little bit of some open mic stuff
Speaker 2: and I said, he can come up real quick, give
Speaker 2: you guys a couple jokes just to give you guys
Speaker 2: a taste. The jokes were almost made me die. This
Speaker 2: is the one I will tell you I remember a
Speaker 2: word for word. He came up. He goes, hey, so,
Speaker 2: and like his whole style was like kind of Mitch
Speaker 2: Hedberg Ye, sort of like I don't give a monitor.
Speaker 1: Perfect for that scenario.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Whens like, hey, so I've been reading some
Speaker 2: JK rowling lately. JK wow. And then like everyone do
Speaker 2: anything and I grown, but like in the funny, I
Speaker 2: was like, oh yeah, yeah yeah. So I was like,
Speaker 2: you know, we all got to get it in where
Speaker 2: we can so respect to that that joke. At least
Speaker 2: he didn't go somewhere transphobic with it. He just kind
Speaker 2: of made a just a weird play on JK.
Speaker 4: That guy's gonna be president.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that joke did distract me from the impending climate.
Speaker 1: But catastrophe for a moment, as promised, all right, Kiki,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get to know you a little bit better
Speaker 1: in a moment. First, a couple of things we're talking about.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about how the X rebrand of
Speaker 1: Twitter is going v Well, we're gonna talk about Glenn
Speaker 1: Beck's new book and like the inevitable right wing mental boomerang.
Speaker 1: And also I like I was intrigued by the cover.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I fell into the glen Beck trap,
Speaker 1: but the cover of the book has three three men
Speaker 1: on it. It has Joe Biden flanking somebody who nobody
Speaker 1: knows who.
Speaker 2: Is Marlon from the Island of Doctor.
Speaker 1: Looks like Marlon Brando from the Island of Doctor Moreau
Speaker 1: crossed with like Rupert Murdoch.
Speaker 5: Maybe yeah, that's Murdoch, but but it's Klaus Schwab, the leader,
Speaker 5: one of the leaders of the I m F that
Speaker 5: they were like, this is going to move some copies.
Speaker 1: So but we'll talk about that theory. Well, we'll talk
Speaker 1: about the some of the tragedies that Oppenheimer completely glosses over. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: like that one, all of that plenty more. But first, Kiki,
Speaker 1: we do like to ask our guests, what is something
Speaker 1: from your search history?
Speaker 4: Well, it's pretty dark. Are you ready?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, it's not even noon yet. Let's go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you just think about that JK Rowlling joke real quick. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm ready.
Speaker 4: Get to a good place. I can bring it in.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So my last weekend news I tried to pitch the
Speaker 3: story that we never were able to do because we
Speaker 3: didn't get a call back. But I was living and
Speaker 3: working in Baltimore at the time and the like beloved
Speaker 3: giraffe at the zoo died and I wanted to know
Speaker 3: what they do with zoo animals when they die, like
Speaker 3: do they have a diraffe funeral? Do they bury them?
Speaker 3: Is there a draft graveyard? Like what happens to them?
Speaker 3: And we never got a call back, and it's been
Speaker 3: bothering me for years, so very recently I googled it
Speaker 3: and apparently they all get cremated, but not for reasons
Speaker 3: that you might think. They get cremated so that people
Speaker 3: can't sell their body parts like on the black market.
Speaker 2: Oh right, and get like a giraffe skeleton. You're like,
Speaker 2: nobody's getting this skelly right.
Speaker 4: If we can't have it, you can't either.
Speaker 2: Wo.
Speaker 1: That is so selfish. I want to buy a draft skeleton.
Speaker 4: That's some very tall ceilings in your apartment.
Speaker 1: Do they have horns?
Speaker 2: What's the ship on the top of their head?
Speaker 1: Yeah, some of them have like those little.
Speaker 4: Guys antennas for wi fi.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, five g Yeah, yeah, those aren't because they
Speaker 2: have ears and them like knobs too, right, mm hmm. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's that's my that's my stupid question that I want
Speaker 2: to contribute to this discussion about giraffe anatomy, giraffe head knobs.
Speaker 2: We'll see what comes up that. Yeh, yep, yep, yep, yep. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, Austin, Where can I buy them?
Speaker 4: Zoo?
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, Google giraffe OSome cones for sale?
Speaker 1: So wait, did you google the shopping tab of Google
Speaker 1: or did you image results?
Speaker 3: Actually on Facebook marketplace, they're very friendly to the black market, right.
Speaker 2: Wait, so at the time when you were covering that
Speaker 2: story to the giraffe just kind of passed away to
Speaker 2: the natural natural causes. It wasn't like a dubious drug
Speaker 2: over just death, was it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, fentanyl's really infiltrating the zoo. Yeah, no, I think
Speaker 3: the side of natural causes.
Speaker 4: Actually.
Speaker 3: Okay, wait on that same subject, do you guys know
Speaker 3: this like famous hippo Fiona is like I think Cincinnati Zoo.
Speaker 2: I am not no, nope, milling oreat yes, okay, go on.
Speaker 4: Hippo content is huge on the internet.
Speaker 3: Fiona is a slab and apparently like that's the same
Speaker 3: zoo that Harambe was shot at. So they've just done
Speaker 3: this whole rebrand with his hippo and I'm like, no,
Speaker 3: you can't like get away from your dark past.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, wow Cincinnati, So are they just like cranking
Speaker 2: out stars at the Cincinnati Zoo or something.
Speaker 4: Apparently they got a really good pr team.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for real.
Speaker 1: When I google Cincinnati Zoo Hippo, I see that they're
Speaker 1: mourning the loss of Henry the Hippo. Oh fag at
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2: Oh twenty seventeen. Okay, well they.
Speaker 4: Probably killed him.
Speaker 1: Yea father, famous Fiona, Oh father, Oh.
Speaker 2: You hate to see it. You hate to see it.
Speaker 1: They're kind of setting us up for disaster because hippos
Speaker 1: are you know, they they will kill motherfucker, like real,
Speaker 1: They're They're very deadly in the right circumstances.
Speaker 2: So that was like my one little kid like annoying factoid.
Speaker 2: I say, like, hippos are actually the most dangerous, like
Speaker 2: if like to humans, it's not this or that, but yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what they do.
Speaker 1: It's what they do besides mosquitoes. That's my kid's favorite
Speaker 1: fact right now animal is mosquitoes.
Speaker 2: Because you're going very narrow for like blood born illnesses.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, which my younger kid up because he gets
Speaker 1: a lot of mosquito bites. He's got that sweet sweet
Speaker 1: blood that mosquitoes craze.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so nothing, nothing you can do sitting in bed
Speaker 1: waiting for mosquitos to come and bite you to death.
Speaker 2: But he doesn't, like, he doesn't fuck with him be
Speaker 2: like ooh, you know, like you could get you know
Speaker 2: what you could get from that mossine.
Speaker 1: I think he does like when we're not around, Uh,
Speaker 1: it would be my guess. Yes, fact, my youngest hair
Speaker 1: has turned completely white.
Speaker 4: Second word was zeka.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: What is something, Kiki that you think is overrated?
Speaker 4: Something that is overrated?
Speaker 3: I think that in the year of our Lord twenty
Speaker 3: twenty three, we should be allowed to put our elbows
Speaker 3: on the table when we're eating. I think that this
Speaker 3: is a stupid rule that we're still abiding by. And
Speaker 3: I looked it up and the reason is because apparently
Speaker 3: our tabletops used to be like on logs, So if
Speaker 3: you put your elbows on the table, would like flip
Speaker 3: the whole table over. But like that's not a problem anymore.
Speaker 3: So I think we should be more rude when we're
Speaker 3: having dinner.
Speaker 2: Wait, the etiquette of elbows on the table was born
Speaker 2: out of eating off of floppy logs. What the fuck?
Speaker 2: I just thought, Okay, yeah, I mean it's funny how
Speaker 2: quickly I started. I just had my elbows on a table.
Speaker 2: Like I think once my mom or like my grandmother
Speaker 2: gave up on trying to get give me any sense
Speaker 2: of etiquette. But damn hm, okay.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 4: I mean that makes sense.
Speaker 3: If you flip the table and get dinner all over
Speaker 3: somebody's lap, that's super rude.
Speaker 4: But like that's not a risk anymore.
Speaker 2: What is Yeah, I guess what is it like eating
Speaker 2: a hamburger with your elbows on the table kind of thing?
Speaker 2: Just having yeah, or just having a wide base with
Speaker 2: like your fork and knife with elbows playing. I'm just
Speaker 2: trying to give I'm just trying to put myself at
Speaker 2: the table right now and figure how Yeah, I'll eat
Speaker 2: a sandwich like this with my elbows just big right
Speaker 2: Like I'm.
Speaker 4: In my thirties. My back hurts. Let me put my
Speaker 4: eulbles on the table.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's probably like good for core strength, not to
Speaker 1: have them on there, but also we need a rest
Speaker 1: in the fear of our Lord twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2: My head is heavy, yeah, or you're here literally holding
Speaker 2: it up? Yeah, please please stay with it.
Speaker 1: What's something you think is underrated?
Speaker 3: Something I think is underrated is saying less. I feel
Speaker 3: like the pendulum has swung too far the other way,
Speaker 3: Like we got two in our feelings as society. We're
Speaker 3: like too vulnerable, We're too we're using like too much
Speaker 3: therapy speak Jonah Hill. But this all comes from I
Speaker 3: recently saw on TikTok this trend called crying girl makeup,
Speaker 3: where girls are doing their makeup to make it look
Speaker 3: like they've been crying.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, we got we gotta stop, we gotta
Speaker 4: stop fetishizing being sad.
Speaker 2: That's not good, right Is that just to have like
Speaker 2: kind of like red irritated eyes with like vague memories
Speaker 2: of mascara or something.
Speaker 3: Pretty much that's exactly right, and like that was kind
Speaker 3: of shiny, like you might have pink eye or you
Speaker 3: might have been crying, right, Is that?
Speaker 2: This is where I'm like old, I'm like, and that's
Speaker 2: and that's appealing.
Speaker 3: Now, Yeah, I mean I don't know, like I'm thirty one,
Speaker 3: so I remember when on Zanga people were posting like
Speaker 3: emo semi suicidal song lyrics. But I think we should
Speaker 3: have stopped there, like we don't need to be making
Speaker 3: ourselves look like we've been crying. We have plenty of
Speaker 3: things to actually cry about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, like let your band t shirts announce like
Speaker 2: your mental state. You know. That's like I remember, you know,
Speaker 2: like the goth kids were really good. It's just been like, oh,
Speaker 2: I can tell from your vibe you probably were crying,
Speaker 2: but you're not. You don't have it on your face.
Speaker 1: Yeah. When I picture crying girl make up a picture
Speaker 1: like streaks of like dark eye makeup, but this the
Speaker 1: image results seem yeah, more like pink, pink eyed with shiny,
Speaker 1: glossy cheeks.
Speaker 3: Right, And I do think we should fetishize pink eye,
Speaker 3: like let's do that make up?
Speaker 2: Wait, what is it called? What is it? And what
Speaker 2: do you call it? What's pink? I actually called?
Speaker 4: Is that?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Juck devitis? I'm a staph infection staff but no, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: did you ever get I never got pink eye, So
Speaker 2: maybe I should start fetishizing it because it's just one
Speaker 2: of those things that's always been out of reach for me,
Speaker 2: or maybe I should just like, yeah, have my face
Speaker 2: farted on more often.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can get someone to do that on Craigslist,
Speaker 1: like pretty easily, actually, I mean pretty cheap for you'bit
Speaker 1: surprisingly cheap.
Speaker 2: I mean with a newborn, with a new baby. You know,
Speaker 2: I think if I just time it right, I could
Speaker 2: probably just get a direct one to the face anyone. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you never know, you never know.
Speaker 1: All right, well, let's take a quick break and we'll
Speaker 1: come back and we'll talk about some.
Speaker 6: News, and we're back.
Speaker 1: And Elon Musk's sprint to completely devalue Twitter as quickly
Speaker 1: as possible is it's kind of impressive, Like, yeah, he's
Speaker 1: doing work. He's putting in the work.
Speaker 2: It's weird because it feels like it was by design
Speaker 2: from the beginning, Like he's like this is fase, like
Speaker 2: I'm in phase three, but all it is is just
Speaker 2: him not hearing no from anyone at all. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: for the past twenty years, we are Yeah, yeah, X
Speaker 2: dot com is not doing great. Apparently there's already problems
Speaker 2: within hours of announcing that, you know, it's X dot
Speaker 2: com for starters, like just just you know X dot
Speaker 2: com X. Many derivations of that have already been trademarked
Speaker 2: by literally hundreds of companies, including Meta and Microsoft. So
Speaker 2: many people are like, yeah, I'm expecting lawsuits probably around
Speaker 2: this and their ability to use that as a brand.
Speaker 2: And then we also found out that, like when they
Speaker 2: tried to take the fucking bird logos off their headquarters
Speaker 2: in San Francisco, the police just shut the whole thing
Speaker 2: down because they didn't have permits to like be operating
Speaker 2: like the heavy machinery you needed, like to work on
Speaker 2: the exterior of the building. And yeah, and it's just
Speaker 2: kind of like those are like the little problems, and
Speaker 2: now we're he's also finding out that Musk has changed
Speaker 2: the names of the conference rooms to shit like sexy
Speaker 2: but like with like the like a capitalized X, or
Speaker 2: like x posure e capital x po s u r E.
Speaker 2: And many people are right to point out, like, let's
Speaker 2: not forget he was accused of groping and exposing himself
Speaker 2: to a flight attendant, that he basically got to put
Speaker 2: them on mute because of a big cash settlement, and
Speaker 2: that his other companies, like we hear NonStop reports of
Speaker 2: like how it's like toxic sexist culture, the places like Tesla.
Speaker 2: So i'd imagine yeah, going into meet me in Sexy
Speaker 2: for a talk. I'm sure it won't lead to any
Speaker 2: kind of complications. If there even is hr at Twitter right.
Speaker 1: Now, I'm sure he got all of them to quit,
Speaker 1: like right away. That seems to be phase zero of
Speaker 1: the plan.
Speaker 3: Yea.
Speaker 4: Is it called tweeting now or is it called xing?
Speaker 2: That's we don't fucking know. I think I mean, all
Speaker 2: out of habit, we're all calling it tweeting. But this
Speaker 2: is this leads to the next point, is that because
Speaker 2: we're like they're abandoning all that brand familiarity of like
Speaker 2: Twitter and erasing sort of the word tweet from our
Speaker 2: cultural lexicon, it's only going to cost Twitter about twenty
Speaker 2: billion dollars in brand value. So that's what that has done.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what that means, but i'd like when
Speaker 2: I do the quick maths why the last report we
Speaker 2: heard is that like basically it lost half of its
Speaker 2: value when he bought it at forty forty some billion dollars.
Speaker 2: So then if it lost twenty dollars in brand or
Speaker 2: twenty billion in brand value, I don't know, I don't
Speaker 2: know how to do that math, but it sounds like
Speaker 2: not good.
Speaker 1: I think it's two billion dollars as the left using
Speaker 1: quick maths.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so if we have forty four to twenty
Speaker 2: two minus twenty and that it's a two billion dollar
Speaker 2: company two billion.
Speaker 1: Which is impressive. He's killing it if his goal was
Speaker 1: to completely rob it of all value, which like finance
Speaker 1: bros who like are adamant on him not being an
Speaker 1: idiot or like, that's I mean, it makes sense when
Speaker 1: you think about it. It kind of makes sense.
Speaker 2: How so, sir? It's like, you know, like you do
Speaker 2: want to you want to unburden yourself of all that
Speaker 2: brand value. It's like expectation, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: kind of start from scratch and make all that money back.
Speaker 2: I guess, Kiki, how you how have you been, you know,
Speaker 2: navigating this evolution of Twitter?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Twitter used to be my favorite platform, but I try
Speaker 3: to get on threads, you know, like if we're gonna
Speaker 3: be in a billionaire's terrarium. I feel like threads is
Speaker 3: the new move, but like threads is so corny, Like
Speaker 3: I can't get behind threads. It's it's like I was
Speaker 3: telling somebody it's like when you go to an open mic,
Speaker 3: like the day after New Year's and there's all these
Speaker 3: new people there that have never done comedy before.
Speaker 4: That's how Threads feels.
Speaker 3: It's like all these people that don't know how to tweet,
Speaker 3: and so it's like weird attempts at being funny and
Speaker 3: then like you're seeing content from people you don't follow.
Speaker 2: So yeah, or like like people I went to school
Speaker 2: with who now are like to your point, are like,
Speaker 2: I got one liners check this out. I was just
Speaker 2: reading jk Rowling thread that shit, Like, yeah.
Speaker 4: That guy's killing it on Threads.
Speaker 2: Thread. You get another one that I'm pretty sure is
Speaker 2: just one of these ole in like Rickles or Rodney
Speaker 2: Dangerfield jokes. He's I'm sorry we keep bringing this guy up.
Speaker 2: The other one he said was so I had to
Speaker 2: go to the doctor, my mother in law's doctor, because yeah,
Speaker 2: we had to talk about her sleeping medication is not
Speaker 2: strong enough. She's not sleeping. She's supposed to put her
Speaker 2: to sleep. Like he's like, it was that was the
Speaker 2: That was the cadence of that joke for like, huh
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 1: Uh wait, that was the joke.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like basically meant to be like it sounded like
Speaker 2: kill in law, but it's like these pills ain't working
Speaker 2: docs she's still talking, uh huh.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So anyway, I'm telling you that guy's gonna be the
Speaker 3: next TikTok star because people are going to stick around
Speaker 3: for the punchline and never find it, and the engagement
Speaker 3: is just going to be through the room.
Speaker 4: He's no time.
Speaker 2: They're like, he's doing that up there, He's doing art
Speaker 2: up there. Yeah. Yeah, Elon though, it's uh, it is wild,
Speaker 2: like what he's just what are are these ideas? Are
Speaker 2: these just reactions without a plan. I'm trying to really understand,
Speaker 2: like what the what the room is like when he's
Speaker 2: pitching this shit to like the other Twitter people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it really feels like we saw what
Speaker 1: the room is like in succession when Kendall Roy was
Speaker 1: like pitching, you know, like anytime Kendl Roy is pitching,
Speaker 1: and it would just be like, yeah, so set it
Speaker 1: to a supergrowth, double click at five times, pulling banking
Speaker 1: play skyrocket growth to the moon, something like that, like
Speaker 1: just cat like just tossing off these casual as sides
Speaker 1: of like you know, right.
Speaker 4: It's the temperature in the room. What's the temperature in
Speaker 4: the room.
Speaker 2: Yeah, take the temperature for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just not because yeah, they like his play
Speaker 1: at X dot com is that he's hopes it will
Speaker 1: be some kind of all encompassing omni platform, including banking.
Speaker 1: Why the fuck would anyone trust you like they We
Speaker 1: don't even trust you to run this website efficiently like that.
Speaker 1: That is just a place where we type words.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jaquita banana and dole fruit don't even trust you
Speaker 2: enough to be on there anymore after they got fucking
Speaker 2: impersonated so many times. But yeah, sure I'll put my savings.
Speaker 2: I put my savings into X dot com savings.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I would rather be on neopets dot com
Speaker 3: my making. There's like this guy, he's proved that there
Speaker 3: is no such thing as a billionaire. How do you
Speaker 3: have so much time to come up with so much
Speaker 3: dumb shit?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's truly. It's not because of the ideas, folks,
Speaker 2: It's because he's just weird. I guess. Uh, Kendall Roy
Speaker 2: chat game is just a pretty good I guess. I mean,
Speaker 2: we saw what happens like in that CNBC interview when
Speaker 2: like someone actually asks him a question, he falls the
Speaker 2: fuck apart, and they'll bring up a meme about fucking
Speaker 2: princess Bride and you're like, oh, that's not an answer
Speaker 2: to the question, sir, But okay.
Speaker 3: Well, I just think you should have stopped, like what
Speaker 3: you know, like Dave Chappelle like brought him out in
Speaker 3: theater and everyone booed him. Like for those people, that
Speaker 3: would have been enough to like hide in a cave
Speaker 3: and never come back, but he just dumped it down.
Speaker 7: Yeah, truly, Well, he never gives up. I know, We'll
Speaker 7: give him that, Yeah, because everybody's just telling him to
Speaker 7: keep going because he has enough people that he's surrounding
Speaker 7: himself with that are just like genius, sir.
Speaker 2: Right, they're just haters because you're balling so hard, that's all.
Speaker 2: These are great ideas. They're broke boys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well balling with a har g.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, balling bawling.
Speaker 1: Good. All right, let's check it with Glenn Beck. It's
Speaker 1: been a couple of decades, but yeah, he like, I
Speaker 1: haven't had to say or think about Glen Beck. I
Speaker 1: think in a decade have we ever covered Glenn back
Speaker 1: on this show.
Speaker 2: I feel like maybe as an aside, But it's not
Speaker 2: I don't think as a focal point to be like
Speaker 2: Glenn Beck remember him, because he's just been he's just
Speaker 2: fallen into obscure since like his heyday of the late outs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's He's got to be a cautionary tale that
Speaker 1: like Fox News anchors tell each other, right, like, because
Speaker 1: he he was riding high and then got fired kind
Speaker 1: of at the peak, at the height of his dressing
Speaker 1: up as a founding father ness.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, exactly to lead the charge against Barack Obama.
Speaker 4: Wait what did he get fired for?
Speaker 1: I don't think it was ever, like really clear other
Speaker 1: than like contract shit, but like not not thinking he
Speaker 1: was paid enough. And like check me out on Yahoo
Speaker 1: Fantasy Sports that it's actually has nothing to do with
Speaker 1: fantasy sports, but it's like the streaming app that they
Speaker 1: use for that. You can go over there and you know,
Speaker 1: if you type in this exact URL, you can find
Speaker 1: a live stream of me standing in front of a
Speaker 1: blackboard with cosplaying as Ben Franklin.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. I know when he left, he was just
Speaker 2: sort of like I'm leaving Fox and people. Yeah, oh okay,
Speaker 2: And I think that caused a lot of space because
Speaker 2: it think I think at the time people were speculating
Speaker 2: that it could have just been like toxic content equals
Speaker 2: ad exodus, and just that little bit of having him
Speaker 2: for a little bit just they were they got scared
Speaker 2: really quickly. But either way, he left. He's gone on
Speaker 2: to do nothing that we have ever mentioned, but he
Speaker 2: manages to say, you know, somewhat relevant in the right
Speaker 2: wing take us fere But recently, like many other bigots
Speaker 2: of his kind, he has gone after Target for not
Speaker 2: going full Westboro Baptist and disappearing gay culture during Pride Month,
Speaker 2: and he basically was like, we have to boycott Target
Speaker 2: because YadA YadA, grooming blah blah, protect the children's And
Speaker 2: now he's got some dumb ass book coming out and
Speaker 2: he is complaining that Target isn't selling it in their stores.
Speaker 2: He says, dear Target, this is onder tweet. Why is
Speaker 2: Blowback a warning to save democracy from the next Trump?
Speaker 2: A purely political book allowed to be in your stores
Speaker 2: but my book is not. And you're like, sir, you
Speaker 2: just spent like weeks on end telling people to not
Speaker 2: shop there. You hope they burn because demons run it.
Speaker 2: But then you're also like sell my book please. Honestly,
Speaker 2: the book itself is like a conspiracy laden pile of
Speaker 2: Nazi farts, so there's not so much to discuss there
Speaker 2: in terms of substance. But again, like it is good
Speaker 2: to point out it is being sold on Target dot Com,
Speaker 2: just not in their fucking stores. Which again, have you
Speaker 2: been to the book section of a Target and I
Speaker 2: use book very lightly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a couple books there.
Speaker 2: It's like ten books. Usually that's there. It'll be like
Speaker 2: whatever if there's like a Stephen King book, whatever the
Speaker 2: popping kids book is, and then like a couple like
Speaker 2: random things.
Speaker 3: I'm looking at the fantasy section or sorry, not the
Speaker 3: fantasys the book section.
Speaker 4: Target.
Speaker 3: It's still great because this is the same guy that
Speaker 3: would be like, I don't think Target has to sell
Speaker 3: to gay people, but they do have to sell my book.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly that, which again it's just so see
Speaker 2: another moment like this where you have a right wing
Speaker 2: hate grifter do the thing where he like screams about
Speaker 2: woke corporations and then only comes back around and is like,
Speaker 2: help me because I also rely on you for my
Speaker 2: book sales. What is this? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Good news is they are selling Prince Harry's book and
Speaker 3: cat Kid Comic Club.
Speaker 2: Oh oh okay, yeah, so yeah, cat Kid's going off.
Speaker 1: It's the next shared cinematic universe that's gonna fuck everyone
Speaker 1: up in like ten years. I yeah, I was trying
Speaker 1: to figure out, like I'm not going to read it,
Speaker 1: but the cover got me because and I think inadvertently, So,
Speaker 1: like you've got Bill Gates and Biden flanking some bald guy.
Speaker 1: Like Bill Gates looks like he's like an operator, Like
Speaker 1: he's wearing like a black like paramilitary uniform with his
Speaker 1: name on it in case he didn't recognize Bill Gates,
Speaker 1: says Gates. And then like they're flanking a bald guy
Speaker 1: who again like there's no way you have any idea
Speaker 1: who this person is, but I guess in the world
Speaker 1: of wild Nazi fart conspiracies, like he is a household
Speaker 1: name and like a recognizable face. His name is Klaus Schwab.
Speaker 1: He's one of the leaders of the IMF, so I
Speaker 1: mean the International Monetary Fund. Probably, yeah, he's probably not
Speaker 1: like the coolest dude in the world. And so the
Speaker 1: book is about like watch out for the Great Reset,
Speaker 1: because the next step is gonna fuck you up. And
Speaker 1: the Great Reset is this like international economic theory that
Speaker 1: was set to debut at Davos and the Davos that
Speaker 1: got canceled by the pandemic. But it's like basically international
Speaker 1: billionaires coming together and being like, climate change is gonna
Speaker 1: make people mad, and so we have to like bring
Speaker 1: the values of companies together with people and like stop
Speaker 1: being so completely distanced from what matters to people, which
Speaker 1: that sounds like a good idea. Their method for doing
Speaker 1: that is through deregulation and like getting private companies like
Speaker 1: more involved in ruling the world.
Speaker 2: Oh, like law enforcement or that kind of shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: And the conspiracy is that the Great Reset was actually
Speaker 1: the cause of COVID. They like created the pandemic so
Speaker 1: that companies could come in and seize more power, which
Speaker 1: it seems like it's like basically impossible for companies to
Speaker 1: have more power than they have right now, So like
Speaker 1: why kill millions of paying customers across the globe and
Speaker 1: like freeze the economy for a couple of years to
Speaker 1: do that. I'm guessing the explanation of the book is
Speaker 1: some combination of like they hate white people and they
Speaker 1: don't like freedom or some shit, but don't I don't know.
Speaker 1: It seems like a mess. I feel like they were like,
Speaker 1: who is this is this ya literature? Like it looks
Speaker 1: like it could be like a Hunger Games style book
Speaker 1: mixed with like a Tom Clancy book, And yeah, that's
Speaker 1: why they're not putting it on shelves.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've got a whole new thing that they're pressing.
Speaker 2: They said that, like in the book, there's like also
Speaker 2: the Great Narrative Movement that is going to completely change
Speaker 2: the way we It's going to address how we're perceiving
Speaker 2: the decay of like traditional values throughout the colonizer world.
Speaker 2: So and then there's like mentions of the CCP and
Speaker 2: Vladimir Putin just for good measure. So I don't know
Speaker 2: what it means, but there's a lot of words that
Speaker 2: resonate with people.
Speaker 1: I guess it's all connected. I remember like seeing images
Speaker 1: of his show like post Fox, and he's standing in
Speaker 1: front of a chalkboard and it is literally that that
Speaker 1: meme from It's Always Sunny, with like all the different
Speaker 1: things connected and like different like circles, like words that
Speaker 1: he circled and then like drawn an arrow to another
Speaker 1: word but I also, like this just reminded me of
Speaker 1: did you guys ever read the book Freakonomics. Do you
Speaker 1: remember when that was, like hell, such a popular, Like
Speaker 1: it was like smart It's like bestseller, smart person.
Speaker 4: Everyone in their bathroom.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, everyone had it. It's still a popular podcast.
Speaker 1: The author, Stephen Dubner, I think, is the New York
Speaker 1: Times journalist. He like I remember like at the height
Speaker 1: of that, I think it was his podcast like popularity.
Speaker 1: He like did an episode where he just like hung
Speaker 1: with Glenn Beck and like Glen Beck drove a race
Speaker 1: car around and then they just like riffed on like
Speaker 1: some theory that driving race cars will make you drive
Speaker 1: safer because you're like aware that they're dangerous or some shit.
Speaker 1: But I just I feel like we've never fully reckoned
Speaker 1: with what a reactionary hack? Yeah, and like that book
Speaker 1: in particular, like that guy, I think in his follow
Speaker 1: up Freakonomics, like he had something about how the climate
Speaker 1: crisis was actually not that big a deal because someone
Speaker 1: was gonna like come through and solve it, and he
Speaker 1: like compared the climate crisis to the crisis in New
Speaker 1: York City at the turn of the last century, when
Speaker 1: like there was horse poop everywhere because everyone was driving horses,
Speaker 1: and he was like, but progress naturally came through and
Speaker 1: solved that for us with cars. So now climate change
Speaker 1: is just like the latest thing, and we're gonna figure
Speaker 1: it out by putting a bunch of gases into the
Speaker 1: atmosphere that'll make it cooler, and we're good here.
Speaker 2: And that is such like fucking white guy thinking, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: where it's like sounds like it sounds like your mom
Speaker 2: solved a lot of problems for you behind the scenes
Speaker 2: that you weren't aware of either.
Speaker 1: And I don't know how to fold a T shirt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just want to end, But if I leave him around,
Speaker 2: someone folds them and puts them in there.
Speaker 3: So so I just want to say if he wanted
Speaker 3: us to be scared of Bill Gates and Joe Biden,
Speaker 3: like why did he make them look so cool on
Speaker 3: this book cover?
Speaker 4: Like they look like the hardest fuck here Bates ever looked.
Speaker 2: Joe Biden looks like he could like shoot a fucking
Speaker 2: jet out of the sky with like a handgun. Like
Speaker 2: that's how like his like face is like, what's fucking
Speaker 2: next for me? Which I'm we're usually usually he's asking
Speaker 2: that out.
Speaker 4: Of confusion, like this is what Joe Biden I would
Speaker 4: vote for?
Speaker 3: Like he looks present e gauged, he remembers that.
Speaker 2: He's president, got good eyesight.
Speaker 1: It looks like he looks like he just killed room
Speaker 1: of bad guys with his laser eyes. Yeah, like the
Speaker 1: Biden on the cover, Like it's laser eye Biden. It's
Speaker 1: like dark Biden, just with his laser eyes turned off.
Speaker 2: Right mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's charging and the guy next to him, he
Speaker 3: looks totally enough for the Turtle Club. I don't know
Speaker 3: who he is, but I mean, you said who he is,
Speaker 3: but I still don't really, I don't understand.
Speaker 4: That was a lot of words.
Speaker 2: I don't believe when you said I am at I
Speaker 2: I thought you meant impossible missions Force, like from Mission Impossible,
Speaker 2: because isn't that like the name of their the group
Speaker 2: that he's part of. Anyway, Uh, just another factoid I
Speaker 2: just want to point out. I think, like as as
Speaker 2: I like just kind of peruse a little bit more
Speaker 2: about what the book is. It's like any fucking conspiracy
Speaker 2: book for the right, which is essentially meant to say,
Speaker 2: like all the progress you're seeing around you is fucking evil,
Speaker 2: and you're gonna have to explode the corporations or people
Speaker 2: of goodwill in order to preserve our like archaic way
Speaker 2: of living because in like just sort of one of
Speaker 2: the descriptions goes on to talk about how Glenn Beck
Speaker 2: and the co author reveal the most important technologies and
Speaker 2: cultural changes that will soon cause an unprecedented level of
Speaker 2: disruption in the United States. They also outlined the dangers
Speaker 2: and opportunities associated with these disruptions and provide a plan
Speaker 2: to protect individuals and families from losing their liberty. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So yeah, basically, I think which means you're there perceived
Speaker 2: right to be terribly racist and hateful in public. Maybe
Speaker 2: I think describe it.
Speaker 1: I think that's usually what it means.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But anyway, when in the intense struggle for the
Speaker 2: future of humankind, whose side will you be on?
Speaker 1: On the on the freakonomics guys like he was fully
Speaker 1: in on. Like there were those leaked emails where people
Speaker 1: tried to like cherry pick it was like the first
Speaker 1: like you know, Podesta emails leak, but about climate change,
Speaker 1: where they like pulled all these emails and then like
Speaker 1: cherry picked these little details to make it seem like
Speaker 1: climate scientists were lying about climate change. And he like
Speaker 1: went on Fox and was like, I think we have
Speaker 1: to take a whole new look at the entire narrative
Speaker 1: that they've been giving. That's like this New York Times
Speaker 1: reporter who wrote Freakonomics. I mean, I'm sure people have
Speaker 1: like written that book off at this point, like who
Speaker 1: we're paying attention, But I do feel like it's still
Speaker 1: out there and still has the cachet of like being
Speaker 1: associated with the New York Times. And he's a fucking
Speaker 1: complete hack, right, Ah, yeah.
Speaker 4: This is news to me.
Speaker 3: I thought it was just like a good bathroom reader
Speaker 3: that everybody got behind.
Speaker 4: I didn't know he was a kuk well.
Speaker 2: I think at that time what he was saying was
Speaker 2: like just vague enough that you couldn't quite parse, like,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe what his ultimate worldview was. And I
Speaker 2: think also just like the shorthanded like New York Times.
Speaker 1: Good, Yeah, New York Times good, we should all just
Speaker 1: think a little bit more like economic economic economists.
Speaker 8: There and UI all over and U I all over
Speaker 8: all right, Uh, let's take a quick break and we'll
Speaker 8: be right back.
Speaker 1: And we're back. We're back, and if I seem a
Speaker 1: little distant, it is because I'm coming to you from
Speaker 1: the like fifteen seconds in the past. For some reason,
Speaker 1: there's a fucking long ass lag that is happening. I'm
Speaker 1: pay that hearing everything everybody says. Ten seconds later, I
Speaker 1: apologize to our guest, I apologize to my parents. I'm
Speaker 1: better than this, I promised.
Speaker 2: Didn't apologize to me, though.
Speaker 1: I apologize to Miles, of course. I just feel like
Speaker 1: you're used to it at this point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the non apologies, Yeah, a little too used to
Speaker 2: them at this point.
Speaker 1: All right, should we talk Oppenheimer? Well, I don't think, Miles.
Speaker 1: You haven't seen Oppenheimer yet?
Speaker 5: Nah?
Speaker 2: Nah this week though, this week I will go to
Speaker 2: look at Killian Murphy's spooky face and imax, I.
Speaker 3: Think spooky face. I need his botox beautiful face.
Speaker 2: Wait, hold on, okay, wait, what so you Killion He
Speaker 2: doesn't look haunted as fuck to you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but maybe that's my thing.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm just making sure we're seeing the same thing.
Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm not knocking you if that's what you're into.
Speaker 2: But I'm like, he he haunted. Uh but I get that.
Speaker 2: Then that's why he stays working because you can't fake
Speaker 2: that face like.
Speaker 1: A good, hollowed out husk of a man person.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, have you seen the pictures where people like took
Speaker 1: pictures from the front row of the Imax.
Speaker 9: And it's like it's just so warped because it's just
Speaker 9: a wall wall sized close up of his face and
Speaker 9: it's like, man, his right jowl is really the star
Speaker 9: of this shot.
Speaker 2: They shouldn't, they shouldn't. They shouldn't sell seats that close
Speaker 2: to the fucking screen, because I saw a barbie in
Speaker 2: the second row and I was definitely testing like the
Speaker 2: limits of like what is too close to a screen
Speaker 2: because it's like a bigger screen, and I was like,
Speaker 2: my head was like jerking around. But then also, like
Speaker 2: the perspective does shift a bit when you're the viewing
Speaker 2: angles so acute. Anyway, why why am I going to
Speaker 2: complain to the capitalist theaters? It'd be like sell less seats, okay,
Speaker 2: to make the experience better for everyone.
Speaker 1: Find if you just stand on your seat and in
Speaker 1: an athletics position and then just look back and forth
Speaker 1: really fast the whole time.
Speaker 2: That helps, Yeah, blends into one image.
Speaker 1: All right. So Oppenheimer as we mentioned on our weekend
Speaker 1: digest as making way more money than anyone expected. Currently
Speaker 1: has ninety four percent approval rating from critics and audiences
Speaker 1: on Rotten Tomatoes, and it's coming under some heat for
Speaker 1: some things that it just kind of glosses glosses over.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I keep I feel like this week I've seen
Speaker 2: NonStop articles about like like what the movie gets right
Speaker 2: and what is made up? Or are the things like
Speaker 2: here's the real Oppenheimer story or you probably didn't know
Speaker 2: were not there in the Oppenheimer movie that seems like
Speaker 2: to be a lot of taking up a lot of
Speaker 2: space right now as people watch it.
Speaker 1: Are the articles like they actually dropped those bombs on pans,
Speaker 1: Like do you see how big those things were and
Speaker 1: like super hot. They don't know if you know this,
Speaker 1: but like that's those bombs like killed a lot of
Speaker 1: people after it wasn't just him having sex with Florence
Speaker 1: Pugh all the time in front of Congress.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But so I guess Oppenheimer illustrates the devastation and
Speaker 1: his guilt only through like subjective visions that Oppenheimer has.
Speaker 1: The whole movie is told from his perspective, right, like
Speaker 1: stays on the perspective of Oppenheimer himself, which conveniently allows
Speaker 1: a movie about one of the greatest horrors in modern
Speaker 1: history to be blockbuster entertainment for mainstream audiences.
Speaker 2: Right, it's like, but he was so conflict when he
Speaker 2: made it though, just so you know, but also people's
Speaker 2: shadows were burnt into concrete from the blade.
Speaker 1: He felt bad, Yeah, right.
Speaker 2: Right, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't know, like hot take, I feel like like
Speaker 3: it's almost like going to McDonald's, Like I don't go
Speaker 3: to McDonald's to feel good, Like, yeah, I don't think
Speaker 3: everybody's going to Oppenheimer to like learn history, Like you're
Speaker 3: just learning about this weird dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think it on some level, like I get that,
Speaker 2: like as a as a work of like entertainment, It's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: there's plenty of like bummer shit you can watch if
Speaker 2: you really want to like drill down into like the
Speaker 2: atom bomb and shit like that. But I think for
Speaker 2: like when you're talking about someone who's what they're, what they're,
Speaker 2: what they gave to the world, and you kind of
Speaker 2: avoid like what that actually ends up being, then it
Speaker 2: feels a little bit like whoa are you telling the
Speaker 2: whole story to just kind of focus on him there,
Speaker 2: because I I think there is so much complexity there
Speaker 2: that you can make like a good story out of.
Speaker 2: But I get why people be like, huh, you kind
Speaker 2: of gloss over, like what where all that work left?
Speaker 2: But okay by part of the story, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So one of the details that I writer Jam kind
Speaker 1: of points out it also gets glossed over in addition
Speaker 1: to the dropping of the bombs in Japan is the
Speaker 1: land in Los Almos, where the Manhattan Project was based.
Speaker 1: Was like, first of all, forcibly secured and indigenous and
Speaker 1: Hispanic communities were relocated. Lands were seized by armed soldiers
Speaker 1: who showed up with letters written in English that like
Speaker 1: the people who lived there couldn't understand because they sent
Speaker 1: no translators. And part of the reasoning that the military
Speaker 1: and Appenheimer specifically used to pick Loss Almos as the
Speaker 1: site of the Manhattan Project was because competing sites such
Speaker 1: as in Utah would have meant evicting white farmers, and
Speaker 1: they also saw the dispossessed Hispanic and Indigenous residents as
Speaker 1: a potential quote cheap labor force for the Manhattan Press.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, so they're like, Okay, once they're displaced,
Speaker 2: they're going to be desperate enough to come work for us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So like even if you're centering his point of
Speaker 1: view and like his decision making going into this, it
Speaker 1: is like you were having to do a lot of
Speaker 1: work on his behalf to just make him seem humane.
Speaker 1: And the big thing is like, and this this part
Speaker 1: feels wildly cinematic, like the sort of thing that Christopher
Speaker 1: Nolan would have to explicitly be like, man, that would
Speaker 1: be an amazing thing to show, is that like they
Speaker 1: knew the area around the Trinity test site was like
Speaker 1: far from uninhabited. So they're like all these communities who
Speaker 1: lived around the like where they set off the explosion,
Speaker 1: who are not warned about the dangers of the experiments
Speaker 1: and like so they're like dozens of families within twenty
Speaker 1: miles and these are like largely poor families and ranch
Speaker 1: and farmers. And there were like all these storms on
Speaker 1: the day that they were supposed to conduct the test,
Speaker 1: and a physicist warned Oppenheimer that this could be a catastrophe,
Speaker 1: and Oppenheimer relayed this message to the military by saying,
Speaker 1: the weather today is whimsical.
Speaker 2: Oh, it'll whimsically carry radioactive fallout miles away? Is that
Speaker 2: what he asks? Very whimsically? Oh, the whimsy of radio radioactivity? Okay, okay, Yeah.
Speaker 1: He had that cool quote about being become death destroyer
Speaker 1: of worlds, burning a hole in his pocket, and he
Speaker 1: was like, I gotta use this thing, man, Like, this
Speaker 1: is gonna fucking rule when we set this thing.
Speaker 2: Dude, you gotta put you know how thick the glasses are,
Speaker 2: you gotta put on even fucking look at it. It's
Speaker 2: gonna be fucking wild. Bro. I love though too that
Speaker 2: the guy who told him that was in Rico Fermi.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and Rika of the Fermi Paradox for people
Speaker 2: who liked to talk about like space life out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, make a story about him.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, seriously.
Speaker 1: So just a little like scene that was omitted. So
Speaker 1: the a meteorologist warned that the weather that morning was
Speaker 1: likely to spread fallout far and wide over New Mexico's
Speaker 1: civilian population, right in the middle of a period of thunderstorm.
Speaker 1: The meteorologists complained in his journal of the scheduled test,
Speaker 1: What son of a bitch could have done this? And
Speaker 1: so as the storm raged in hours before the test,
Speaker 1: Fermi warns Oppenheimer there could be a catastrophe. Oppenheimer took
Speaker 1: a break from the reading the poetry of Baudelaire to
Speaker 1: relay to the military the weather is whimsical.
Speaker 2: Thing.
Speaker 1: I love that he's fucking reading poetry, like just being
Speaker 1: as he's about to like end the lives of people
Speaker 1: and like, you know, poison generations.
Speaker 2: Right right, right, because yeah, the fallout is like a
Speaker 2: still a legacy to this. Yeah, I definitely know about it.
Speaker 1: It affects people's DNA.
Speaker 3: Also, that quote is so corny, like why, like I
Speaker 3: don't know if you're like quoting what the fucking death thing?
Speaker 3: Like that guy shouldn't be allowed to make decisions, I
Speaker 3: don't know, right right, he's.
Speaker 2: Like, but he's gonna help us flex our power on
Speaker 2: the communists. That's the real big part of this too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So they went through with the test. It was
Speaker 1: essentially a dirty bomb by today's standards, because it like
Speaker 1: didn't succeed that well. I think only there was like
Speaker 1: twenty percent of it that didn't go off, or maybe
Speaker 1: it was only yeah, yeah, twenty percent of the core
Speaker 1: went off and the rest was you know, scattered across
Speaker 1: New Mexico and beyond literally ruined a batch of film
Speaker 1: at a Kodak factory in Indiana that's close by.
Speaker 2: Based on my rough geography and knowledge of the United States,
Speaker 2: so they're New Mexico and it blew all the way
Speaker 2: to end. Oh no, that's very wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah what.
Speaker 2: Oh boy, that's twelve hundred and sixty seven miles from
Speaker 2: the middle of New Mexico. Dan okay, so huh huh
Speaker 2: all of Middle America.
Speaker 1: Yeah right yeah, thikes yeah, And like that wasn't as
Speaker 1: far as it went. That was where it went and
Speaker 1: ruined a batch of film, like right, That's how it
Speaker 1: was still that powerful that far away. The military collected
Speaker 1: radioactive fallout and you might you might assume that was
Speaker 1: in order to document and make decisions better, but it
Speaker 1: was totally just based on like legal ass covering. And
Speaker 1: for thousands of people who lived near the Trinity site,
Speaker 1: they were awoken that morning. So this is the detail,
Speaker 1: like this is the most cinematic, like fucked up depiction
Speaker 1: of this entire experiment that I could imagine. So the
Speaker 1: thousands of people who lived near the Trinity site are
Speaker 1: awoken that morning by a goddamn nuclear blast that a
Speaker 1: thing that like has not been possible, doesn't exist as
Speaker 1: far as human assumptions about reality, like human understanding or
Speaker 1: has been right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Most of those people didn't even realize what had happened
Speaker 1: until the news of the bombing of Japan and their
Speaker 1: land crops, livestock, and water were irradiated, leading to generations
Speaker 1: of people suffering from various types of cancer in the
Speaker 1: weeks after the test. They were never advised that their
Speaker 1: land crops, livestock, and water may may have been contaminated. Like,
Speaker 1: it just feels like that's all incredibly cinematic. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: we can't tell the story from the perspective of the
Speaker 1: people and have to do like the Great Man theory
Speaker 1: of history, where everything's controlled by a protagonist who is
Speaker 1: sitting with detached amusement and reading poetry and you know,
Speaker 1: making massive decisions that affect the lives of thousands of
Speaker 1: people in millions.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Honestly, Hales Have Eyes had a better They did a
Speaker 3: better job of depicting the impact.
Speaker 2: Yeah, truly, The Hills Have Eyes is a story for
Speaker 2: the people about the downwinders from the fucking Trinity blasts. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and like again, it is wild too, because to tell
Speaker 2: that story you have to reveal a lot about the
Speaker 2: United States government, about how commerce works, about the motivations
Speaker 2: to just be like, yeah, we're actually don't want to
Speaker 2: displace white people. We want to displace like Hispanic and
Speaker 2: Indigenous people. We don't care about the poor people downwind.
Speaker 2: And if they try and come with us with evidence
Speaker 2: that they've actually suffered because the test thing, we're just
Speaker 2: gonna fucking turn a blind eye because those people have
Speaker 2: no they they they've never had and never will have
Speaker 2: any kind of financial recourse due to what happened there.
Speaker 2: So that's that's most they'll come work for us. So yeah, exactly,
Speaker 2: it's like, hey, if you want, we'll test your body
Speaker 2: for a couple bucks. Huh. That could be fun.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It kind of reminds me when my sister and I
Speaker 3: we went to Vietnam and we went to so over
Speaker 3: there they call it the American were not the Vietnam War.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And like the pictures in the museum are so.
Speaker 3: Much more horrific than anything you've ever been taught over here.
Speaker 2: It's not a gi with like a sleeveless you know,
Speaker 2: fatigue jacket on with cigarettes in his helmet singing fortunate son.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, and that's what it was. We don't
Speaker 2: know about chemical warfare of these other terrible things of
Speaker 2: napalm and shit like that, right, right, yeah, yeah, that's
Speaker 2: always like that's always it's That's what's funny, is like
Speaker 2: that's what I guess. It makes sense because America, like
Speaker 2: the film industry, is not always going to really crank
Speaker 2: out those real sort of sober eyed depictions of what
Speaker 2: are like imperial wars end up looking like on the
Speaker 2: other side, it is going to be like, yeah, there's Oppenheimer,
Speaker 2: he did that, and yeah, maybe it was kind of
Speaker 2: like these guys in Germany kicked some butt and then
Speaker 2: they came back, and there's still just kind of like
Speaker 2: we're always we're not left with like a real total
Speaker 2: telling of like the humanity of war. But hey, that's
Speaker 2: for the European filmmakers to do, because they have fantastic
Speaker 2: anti war films.
Speaker 1: Right, Is this.
Speaker 3: Movie funded, like I know, like Top Gun has like
Speaker 3: military funding behind it? Do you know if like Oppenheimer does.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I mean, unless they're usually like it
Speaker 2: happens because you want to use the military's toys and
Speaker 2: They're like, fine, if you want to play with our
Speaker 2: toys on camera, then like we have like a sayance
Speaker 2: and stuff. So I'm not sure with this one, but
Speaker 2: i'd imagine I'd imagine there was some consulting on some level, probably,
Speaker 2: but yeah, I have no idea.
Speaker 4: There's an election coming up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, we'll see how this is used for. I
Speaker 2: don't know which party will benefit from Oppenheimer. It seems
Speaker 2: like Barbie is definitely being used by the right to
Speaker 2: beat the culture wars to death, but I don't know
Speaker 2: yeah about Oppenheimer yet.
Speaker 1: I Mean, it is crazy, like the people who are
Speaker 1: called the down Winders, who are like directly affected by this,
Speaker 1: like the fallout, like the government won't acknowledge or compensate
Speaker 1: those families. Yeah, that them specifically, they're it's like yep, nope,
Speaker 1: that never, we're not talking about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't hear you. And yeah, so they.
Speaker 1: Again feel erased by history due to the film's glaring
Speaker 1: emission of their story and erased by the government, and
Speaker 1: like Biden last year extended the government's Radiation Exposure Compensation Act,
Speaker 1: but it still doesn't cover anyone affected by the fallout
Speaker 1: from the Trinity test, and some lawmakers are trying to
Speaker 1: use the movie's popularity as a way to finally change that.
Speaker 1: But so like maybe there's a good thing that could
Speaker 1: come out of this, but it's it doesn't seem like
Speaker 1: it's based on sort of the narrative trajectory of the
Speaker 1: movie that that would happen.
Speaker 2: Right right, right, Yeah, I mean we see this all
Speaker 2: the time, like just cancer clusters that pop up near
Speaker 2: like EPA super fun sites or like or how long
Speaker 2: it takes for like the EPA or the government to
Speaker 2: be like, oh yeah, that is a cluster of cancer
Speaker 2: cases that was caused by something that happened like in
Speaker 2: La like where the Jet Propulsion Laboratory is, you know
Speaker 2: where they were like doing a lot of work trying
Speaker 2: to figure out how rockets, how they can make shit
Speaker 2: travel very far to just either destroy things or send
Speaker 2: things into space. That contaminated a lot of water like
Speaker 2: in the San Gabriel Valley. That meant and there's like
Speaker 2: these cancer clusters that popped up that took a while
Speaker 2: for them to be like, oh, yes, this is okay,
Speaker 2: so we need to put like a full time water
Speaker 2: treatment like everywhere near this place, because yeah, we were
Speaker 2: too busy, like playing with chemicals to figure out how
Speaker 2: to kill people better. It just feels like I can't
Speaker 2: imagine for every like the groups of downwindows there are,
Speaker 2: there's you know, there's plenty more. I mean, we think
Speaker 2: of how long it took for people even in Flint, Michigan,
Speaker 2: to even be acknowledged.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so sorry, I'm just googling how far the propulsional
Speaker 3: laboratory is from my house when happen.
Speaker 2: Oh, this is in the sixties. It's fine, it's fine,
Speaker 2: You're you're, you're, you're completely different water district, So it's okay.
Speaker 2: People in Pasadena and lakean YadA, flint Ridge and Alta
Speaker 2: Dina that are typically the ones that we.
Speaker 4: Don't like that anyway. The parking is terrible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they didn't let black people own property till
Speaker 2: very late in the game. So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: we have our feelings there.
Speaker 1: Well, Kigy, such a pleasure having you on the Daily Zeitgeist.
Speaker 1: Where can people find you? Follow you, hear you all
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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you guys for having me. I am on
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Speaker 4: You got your podcast?
Speaker 1: And is there a work a media that you've been enjoying.
Speaker 4: I'm watching Righteous Gemstones right now.
Speaker 3: My boyfriend loves it, so it's very like BROI humor,
Speaker 3: but I'm getting behind it.
Speaker 4: It's fun.
Speaker 2: Have you watched all the seasons of it?
Speaker 4: We're on the most recent one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, I still have to watch. Well, that's
Speaker 2: it's three, right, season three now? Right?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I'm waiting till Yeah, it
Speaker 2: was that complete before I dive back in, because yeah,
Speaker 2: I love that show.
Speaker 4: Danny McBride, he's a genius.
Speaker 1: Miles, where can people find you? What is a work
Speaker 1: amedia you've been enjoying?
Speaker 2: Wherever you have at based applications Miles of Gray gr
Speaker 2: a W. I just find me there. I'm doing shit. Also,
Speaker 2: if you like true crime, I got a new true
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Speaker 2: about the search for the modern day robin Hood of Greece,
Speaker 2: which is a really dope story, so please check that out.
Speaker 2: You can find Jack and I talking basketball on our
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Speaker 2: talking ninety day Fiance with Sophia Alexandra on four to
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Speaker 2: Not Gonna front Man, the Steph Curry documentary, underrated, pretty good,
Speaker 2: pretty good, not gonna lie. I mean, I think it
Speaker 2: was not that I was going in to be like
Speaker 2: this better suck or I'm not a Curry hater by
Speaker 2: any means, but it really helps underscore, like how exceptional
Speaker 2: he is, so inspiring story and a guy who respects
Speaker 2: his mother. We love to see that.
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Speaker 1: as well as a song that we think you might enjoy, Miles,
Speaker 1: is there a song that you think people might enjoy?
Speaker 2: I think let's go out on this track from a
Speaker 2: band that only put out like two songs called lyon Uh,
Speaker 2: And I think people have probably heard this track like
Speaker 2: it gets around. It's called You've Got a Woman, and
Speaker 2: it's like a really dope track because it was like
Speaker 2: this Dutch progressive like frog drummer wanted to put a
Speaker 2: band together and found this vocalist and they put together
Speaker 2: like this psychedelic soul track and it's just like it.
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's like one of those tracks you
Speaker 2: listen to and you're like is this now or this
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Speaker 2: This is Lion with You've Got a Woman? All right.
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