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Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always

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Speaker 1: so much for tuning in. That's our one and only

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Speaker 1: super producer, the Man the myth Legend, Max Williams. They

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Speaker 1: called me Ben and no, believe it or not, we're

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Speaker 1: kind of on a streak, dude. This is another on

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Speaker 1: purpose two part. Or isn't it's true? We're batting too?

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Speaker 1: Is that a thing? Batting averages work? Does that to

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Speaker 1: just bat too. I don't know. We can discuss this

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Speaker 1: more today. In our second part about dumb mobsters, dumb

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Speaker 1: mafio sos, we mixed a few others in their mind.

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Speaker 1: Was about dumb kind of secondary players doing dumb stuff

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Speaker 1: to a mobster who then eliminated all of them with impunity,

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Speaker 1: including his own people. Because uh, you know, that's just

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Speaker 1: what a guy with a name like Johnny the Bats,

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Speaker 1: Johnny Batts, Johnny Batter, he was a new Baseball Scores.

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Speaker 1: I can tell you that right now. That's just the

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Speaker 1: are once to con joined with Matt Leeb and Vince

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Speaker 1: Mancini from the pod Yourself a Gun Podcast, the only

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Speaker 1: sopranos podcast on the Internet that sound cube. Hi, hey guys,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming back. Uh and you know,

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Speaker 1: I know it was a little touch and go off air,

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Speaker 1: but we have we have squashed some beefs and uh,

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Speaker 1: we're back to our adventures now. Previously we explored this

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Speaker 1: story of jack Ente and uh as as you said, Noel, Uh,

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Speaker 1: the vengeance of Big Tuna, which is how that's like

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Speaker 1: burned into my brain now, uh, and today in part two,

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Speaker 1: we're going to explore another strange event and then we're

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Speaker 1: also going to explore an interesting sibling duo. So fans

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Speaker 1: of Mafio so it's probably can already call that one

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Speaker 1: from a few miles away. But Vince, let's let's hear

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Speaker 1: about Let's hear about this caper you found because you

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Speaker 1: found out like, um, was it a kidnapping? It was

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Speaker 1: guys said dumb mobsters and I knew you know, as

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Speaker 1: an organized I'm that's right itself. Also, it took place

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Speaker 1: planning sounds like such an amazing conversation totally like there

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00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: are they they're smoking weed? Right? Is that this is

425
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: this is totally just a lewd fueled kidnap plot. There's

426
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: also oh no doubt mean or or the very least. Um,

427
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: you know, mushrooms are some psychedelics because there's a part

428
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: in the notebook from from from the article that I

429
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 1: found um where he talks about having just seen The

430
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 1: Exorcist and how it was making him question his sanity. Like,

431
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: you know, I don't apropos of nothing. Really, It's not

432
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: like I think I maybe won't do the crime because

433
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: I'm thinking that maybe I'm not all there. It was

434
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,400
Speaker 1: just this one little aside where it's like this movie

435
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 1: The Exorcist is making me question my sanity. Um said

436
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 1: to me, I think there has to be some heavy

437
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: psychedelics involving because the logic of this thing, the whole

438
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 1: thing is like an acid trip where you're like you

439
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,199
Speaker 1: can just kind of flip from one thing to the

440
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: next and you just kind of go with it, like

441
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 1: it all kind of makes sense if you look at

442
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: it holistically, but on paper, none of these states steps

443
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 1: make any sense, and they're all just so designed to

444
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: I mean, of course, at all collapses before they even

445
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: get a chance to do like most any of it. Right, Well,

446
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 1: they didn't get all of the kids inside of dream logic. Yes, exactly, Ben,

447
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 1: That's exactly what I was trying to get out, total

448
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: dream logic. They were able to get all of the

449
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 1: kids inside of what almost was very tragic, grave sort

450
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: of situation because they could have suffocated. They didn't even

451
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: have holes punched in the lid form or anything, right,

452
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: I mean, did they think any arrangements to make sure

453
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 1: they they could have holes? Okay, good, good, good, but

454
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: not like food water. Well, they had peanut butter and

455
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: jelly sandwiches. They had a hole for ppe and poopo, um,

456
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: you know, everything that a kid needs to survive for

457
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: five minutes. Exactly I do. I do think we should

458
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,199
Speaker 1: point out there's I did not see this. I did

459
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: not see me playing this role today. But in defense

460
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 1: of the airplane part of the highest okay, just hear

461
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: me out, hear me up. In defense of that part.

462
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: We have to remember this is this is seventies six,

463
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:12,439
Speaker 1: right roundabouts, so just five years earlier. One of the

464
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: most well known successful sky jackings in history occurred. D. B.

465
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: Cooper in one. So they it's very recent and everybody

466
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: knew about it, so maybe they were maybe it seemed

467
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: much more plausible from their perspective, don't you. I still

468
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: think no, the seventies was the golden age of of

469
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: plane hijackings. Yeah, there's actually a book called The Skies

470
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: Belong to Us which is all about how many hijackings

471
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: there were in the seventies. Is pretty good. Basically, at

472
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: this point, you know, the Rick has lawyered up, told

473
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: his dad, and then James and Fred are still on

474
00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: the loose. Uh, and so this is where we're picking

475
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: up the story. Meanwhile, a nationwide manhunt was on for

476
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: James and Fred. There were sightings of them clear out

477
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: to Tennessee. James would later write the following in his

478
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: notebook quote, I save swear words for bad situations, But

479
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: all I could think of was, oh shit, you guys

480
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: got the heart of a poet. Wasn't he a film student?

481
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: I think you mentioned that he was his brother. His

482
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: younger brother was the film His younger brother was a

483
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,479
Speaker 1: film student, so he definitely would have been thinking, at

484
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: least in terms of the cinematic kind of I swear

485
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: to God, the whole dB Cooper thing, it's probably like

486
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: he saw it was just like, you know, that was awesome.

487
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: Let's like, let's incorporate that into this thing. And then

488
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: the Dirty Harry thing. Definitely the short story from the

489
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: they were. What I found was that there were a

490
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: few details of the crime. I didn't get specifics that

491
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: were in this short story that I talked about, the

492
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: disappearing shouldern or whatever, But I mean, I think the

493
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: bigger parts of it were definitely inspired by Dirty Harry.

494
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: So he's pulling all his influence from works to fiction. Uh,

495
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: possibly dB Cooper, which is, you know, the most cinematic

496
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: heist like of that era. I mean, this dude is

497
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: just kind of a weird stoner kid. I gotta know

498
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: the why he needed the money. His whole deal is

499
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: like he very much like reading his notebook. He strikes you.

500
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: It feels like holding Coffield there was some other sort

501
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: of novel written from the perspective of like an immature dope. Um, yeah,

502
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: it's pretty great. Uh, we'll get to the motive. After

503
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: the kids escaped, Fred and James had driven out to

504
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: their safe house and Reno then using his phony passport,

505
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: Fred had flown up to Vancouver, leaving James behind with

506
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: no good options. Alone and terrified, he fled to court Aline,

507
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: Idaho because of its proximity to a border crossing, But

508
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: on the eighteenth, when he tried to get to Canada,

509
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: a hundred miles north, he was turned away by border

510
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: patrol because he was too nervous and well, his car

511
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,959
Speaker 1: was full of guns. Yeah, that's how they get you.

512
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: That's how they get you. Damn it foiled again by

513
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: my mountains of guns in the back of my Uh.

514
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: Driving back to court a lane, James couldn't keep his cool.

515
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: He was too exhausted. In a desperate last ride, he

516
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: drove to Spokane to sell his guns at a sporting

517
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: goods store. Then, believing he'd done his due diligence, he

518
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: tried again to enter Canada at Cascade. He was refused,

519
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: this time because of Fred. He left two pistols in

520
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: the center console and two rifles in the trunk, which

521
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: James had somehow missed when he was specifically looking for

522
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: guns to get rid of. He turned I got rid

523
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: of most of them. He turned up with Canada. You guys,

524
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: you see a couple of guns in the dash again, sir,

525
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: We're very sorry. You know, we don't make the laws.

526
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: We're just we're just here working like you. I like

527
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: guns personally, but you just can't bring him in. So close, though, dude,

528
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: so close. That was almost all the guns. He turned

529
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: back to court Alane and sold them before bandoning, abandoning

530
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: his sixty three Chrysler, trading it for fifty Chrysler Van.

531
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: He was filthy broke, smelled like garbage, and hadn't slept

532
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: in a bed in five days, and he continued writing

533
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: in his diary through it all. This is this is

534
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: another great part from his diary. Remember there is something

535
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: good and everything. Why don't people see the good? They

536
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: only see the bad. It's just like the Diary of

537
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: Anne Frank, except for it's a guy who's kidnapping children.

538
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: I I gotta say the kudos to the journalists from Vox.

539
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: Filthy broke. I don't know that one. That's that's really

540
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: clever Turner phrase filthy comma broke. But okay, you know

541
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: I'm still taking it as filthy broke though you know no,

542
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: I think you coined it. Then it's mine filthy rich.

543
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: There's filthy broke. Caleb Horton that comma separated you from greatness,

544
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: my friend. Um. But yeah, by the way, anybody that

545
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: wants to like really dig in. This is a super

546
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: in depth article on vox. It is really really cool.

547
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: It's like very like lots of cool images and it's

548
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: a really really great read. Highly recommended. I will continue

549
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: to see good in everything, no matter what happens. Refer

550
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: to the myth of Sysiphus, which is that like a

551
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: note for him in the final draft he also spelled

552
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: Sysiphus wrong, which is another there aspect of this. Meanwhile,

553
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: you know you got your Fred. He was the he's

554
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: the ringleader. Uh and he is up in Canada. Fred

555
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: got to Vancouver at six pm the Saturday after the

556
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: children's escape and checked into the St. Francis Hotel on

557
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: Seymour Street by the freight Yards. He paid in advance

558
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: and asked the hotel manager if he could get some work.

559
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: Quote he seemed like a big dance of a kid.

560
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: The manager later said he dressed like a cowboy and

561
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: grinned all the time. Which I think this whole thing

562
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: is kind of funny because it's like these kids, these

563
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: dumb kids from a San Francisco suburb who are uh

564
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: the whole time like dressing, like what their idea of

565
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: chow chilla and what their idea of Canada is where

566
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: they're kind of just like, look at me, I'm just

567
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: a big dumb cowboy. Greetings fellow locals. He wrote a

568
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: letter to his screenwriter friend David, telling him that his

569
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: crime would make a good movie of the week if

570
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: not a feature. I'm just sorry. It's just it's just

571
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: also sad. It's just like, uh, this the idea that

572
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, this was just like man,

573
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: but because this would be a cool movie, do you

574
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 1: make like what we made a cool movie? And it's like,

575
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: just write a script like you know, ki kids. He's like,

576
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: it's snow but I like, I don't want to. I'm

577
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: not like I'm more of an ideas man, like a

578
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: bunch of three idiots saying I'm an idea man in

579
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: a circle for an hour. He's just like, I'm too

580
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: bad at game theory. I can't. I can't game this out.

581
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: I have to see what Actually, you just gotta exactly

582
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: run the simulation. No wait, it's not a simulation. Now

583
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,399
Speaker 1: I'm probably going to go to prison for the rest

584
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 1: of us. You gotta get a look at this guy too.

585
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: Like it's a black and white image, and I think

586
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,919
Speaker 1: it might just be the light, but it almost looks

587
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: like he has this weird like skunk stripe in his hair,

588
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 1: like this kind of like like super villain kind of

589
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 1: skunk stripe. Um, And he looks like like he should

590
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: be a you know what what is it, um Slytherin

591
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: kind of like you know, villain and one of the

592
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: Harry Potter movies. He's got like severe eyebrows and yeah,

593
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: just really has the look of a guy that would

594
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 1: be this guy, Like you said the holding call field, Like,

595
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: I'm so entitled yet so sad, and so I deserve

596
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 1: to have this adventure. Let me have this. Why don't

597
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: people see the good? You know, you only see the

598
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: bad when I kidnapped children. He's got a lot of

599
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: feelings and he does not have the brain power to

600
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: articulate them in any cathartic sort of way. Um, So

601
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: this is this is back from the letter to his

602
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: friend Jim or sorry, his his screenwriter friend David. I

603
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: guess he's got a lot of screenwriter friends. That's what

604
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: you did in the seventies, um My ending is not

605
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: exciting enough, so you might have to kill some people

606
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: or something. Uh. If you do make it into a film,

607
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: all I want is a percentage of it you make

608
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: it up. I don't care how much, but be fair.

609
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,240
Speaker 1: Uh and he spelled fair fri e. This letter would

610
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,280
Speaker 1: contribute to his downfall. On Friday, acting on an FBI

611
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: tip plane, closed officers from the Royal Canadian Mounted Police

612
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: taked out the main Vancouver Post office. They knew Fred

613
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: had been setting letters, sending letters under the name Richard Snyder.

614
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,439
Speaker 1: They waited and waited, and finally sprang into action, only

615
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: to mistakenly tackle two German students. Uh, but you know

616
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: they've eventually got the right guy. I like how they

617
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: always make the cops a character uh in this, and

618
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: really like the cops did almost nothing in this, Like

619
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 1: they got they found the letters. The kids were so stupid.

620
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: I mean they like they gift wrapped all this literally

621
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: the notebook with the whole narrative, the letter there, the

622
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: ransom note they forgot to deliver. It's all like right

623
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: there in one place. Yeah, I would love to be

624
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: in the interrogation room. Also, in my head, I still

625
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 1: have the bagga chips, and then the guy from the

626
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: earlier conversation where they were planning the heist, like, this

627
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: must have been okay, I don't want to diminish what happened,

628
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: but as if they're the detectives are in there and

629
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: they've got the notebook and they're like, al right, guys,

630
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: hell of a read them. You know, spelling is tough,

631
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: but let's let's talk about this because I I read

632
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:08,720
Speaker 1: somewhere that initially they somehow had the hutspit of plead innocent. Yeah. Well,

633
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: part of what they got charged with was kidnapping with

634
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: intent to inflict bodily harm, and so they disputed the

635
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: bodily harm part and um, and then the bus driver

636
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: testified and the judge did not agree with their assessment,

637
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: and so they all got life in prison um without

638
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: the possibility of parole, which they appealed a bunch of

639
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: times until they eventually received the possibility of parole um.

640
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: But thirty nine years after the crime, Jim got to

641
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: speak at his parole hearing, uh, and he described the

642
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: motive as I wanted to fit in with these new

643
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: people that we moved next to, he said, and you know,

644
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: my friend's parents had twin ferraris his and hers with

645
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: telephones in them. My dad lent me some money and

646
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 1: I bought a Jaguar. I found out that the insurance

647
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: was more than I made in a whole year, So

648
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: two months later I had to sell the jaguar. I

649
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: just figured I need money. Money would solve all my problems.

650
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 1: You know, I got Okay, I'm gonna make a we

651
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: do parliamentary procedure or something like it. Here on ridiculous history,

652
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 1: and this story is so fascinating. No, what do you think?

653
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: Do you want to just I think we should spend

654
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: this episode on this story because there's still some stuff

655
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: to unravel here. Oh there's a lot. Like I mean,

656
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,919
Speaker 1: it's it's a pretty big It kind of keeps going.

657
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: You think you've seen the bottom of it. I just

658
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: have so many questions that I know will never get answered,

659
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: and they might they might, because what are those guys

660
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: like I think this is where you go with this VENC.

661
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about their their lives like in prison. Well,

662
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: so the Schonville brothers got out eventually, uh in like

663
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: or something like that. Well they did, but then they

664
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: you know, because they're rich. They found a lawyer that

665
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: appealed it to you know, get their sentence knocked down.

666
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: The ring that is still in prison. Uh. And he

667
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: has had an interesting life uh in prison apparently when

668
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: you have enough money, like prison isn't that bad because

669
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: he can sort of pay for protection and pay for well,

670
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: you know, not as bad. Um. But anyway, a few

671
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 1: months ago it came out that he was running a

672
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: used car dealership and to hatch Appy and a Christmas

673
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: tree lot in the Bay Area and it would have

674
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: been legal to save for one one caveat. Apparently from

675
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: from what I heard, he totally could run as many

676
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: businesses as he wished if he literally just went to

677
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: the warden and said, hey, is it okay? If I

678
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: do this, I'll still be in prison, is it? And

679
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: he just didn't. It was just too much of a

680
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: pill to ask if it was okay. And so well,

681
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: he had a note where he was asking for permission,

682
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 1: but he forgot to send us to the warden. There's

683
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 1: actually a forty eight hours apparently about his life in prison.

684
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: Or he keeps getting caught with pornography and cell phones. Uh.

685
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: And he bought a mansion on the coast um, which

686
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know what you do with the

687
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: mansion on the coast when you're in prison, but I

688
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: guess if you ever get out, you got a place

689
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: to go just to have just in case, you know,

690
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: it comes to the mansion is a treat, you know exactly. Um. So, okay,

691
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 1: he's still in prison today, that's right. Yeah, the ring leader, Frank,

692
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: he's up for a parole here and again in I

693
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: hope he gets it. Dude. I was gonna say, Matt

694
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: if if if you've got a lot of questions, I

695
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: bet we could we could actually write to him. I mean,

696
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: I would love to get him on an episode of

697
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: pot Yourself a gun. I want to ask if you

698
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: like the Sopranos and uh, you know what he because

699
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: like these guys, like especially the ring leader, um, reminds

700
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: me so much of like Chris Malta Sante with like

701
00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: like kind of like if if this is like if

702
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: Chris were born rich and but he's still you know,

703
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: like he he could have taken over his dad's like

704
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: oil and you know, train business or whatnot, but he

705
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: really just wanted to be a screenwriter. And it's just

706
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: like it's got the same vibes. He's like the spelling errors,

707
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: Like it feels like he's gonna write in his notebook

708
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: at some point, I must be loyal to my capol. Oh,

709
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: why Ellie, did you ever feel like nothing good was

710
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:32,399
Speaker 1: ever gonna happen to you? It's like, yeah. It also

711
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: reminds me of the Scottish Prince and Monty Python and

712
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: the Holy Grail who's like Father just wants him to

713
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: like be the you know, the Lord of the Swamp

714
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: or what it was like. But Father, but Father, I

715
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: just want to I just want to to sing, you know,

716
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: like and then that's kind of what he just wants

717
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: to sing, or like do a weird, fucked up, messy

718
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: heist and you know, get caught for it. And I

719
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: bet you his notebook at some point has like a

720
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: whole passage just that just says like they say, they're

721
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: no two people on this earth exactly alike. But how

722
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: did they know that? For sure, it's impossible to tell

723
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: even with computers, which is exactly what Chrismal said. So

724
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: another weird little wrinkle of the story is that one

725
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: of the judge there's a three judge panel, uh that

726
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: approved their appeal saying that they'd be eligible for parole.

727
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: This was eighty One of the people on the panel

728
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: was William Newsom, who is actually Gavin Newsom's father, the

729
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: governor of California. For now, no, please please vote no.

730
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: Uh yeah. And then after we retired, Judge, that's all

731
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: I was trying to say, go ahead, Judge Newsom became

732
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: an outspoken advocate for the Chili Chilli kidnappers, saying that

733
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 1: this notorious crime was just a quote, a youthful stunt

734
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: that had no vicious aspect to it. Okay, your honor,

735
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: I guess we've all been there. Apparently, listen, we've all

736
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,399
Speaker 1: done it. That's the thing about you know, these are kids, man.

737
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: Sometimes kids, you know, they get law ambunctious. You know,

738
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 1: they steal a sweater from you know, from Macy's, and

739
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: then they get arrested. And sometimes they kidnap a bust

740
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,439
Speaker 1: full of kids and then have an entire plane hist

741
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: that they're going to do right after. That's an escape

742
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 1: math method. It's just normal. Right. There's an episode of

743
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: Wonder Years where this happens. Yeah, and uh, I I heard,

744
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: uh this is a true fact. I heard that these happened.

745
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: So frequently. That's the reason that school buses don't have seatbelts. Uh,

746
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: that's at least what I heard. Oh, yeah, that's absolutely true.

747
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: M will hopefully we don't get letters about that one.

748
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 1: But but you guys are like, it does seem strange.

749
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: Though I'm sure a lot of members of the public

750
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: assumed that someone might be greasing the wheels of justice here,

751
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: was there any speculation that maybe this guy was getting

752
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: bribed or something because that that I mean he has Yeah,

753
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: they've been in jail. He was in jail for forty

754
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: years or something like that. You know, at that point, sure,

755
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:20,760
Speaker 1: why not let him out? Yeah, so he's from from prison.

756
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: He has been directing three businesses, the Ambria Acres Christmas

757
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 1: Tree Farm down the road from Creston, California, the Little

758
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: Bear Creek gold mine near Lake Tahoe, and a used

759
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: car business with a warehouse filled with vehicles. And to

760
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: hatch it, I'm sorry, he has a gold mine. He

761
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: literally owns and operates a gold mine. It's not a euphemism.

762
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: I love and he Actually the reason he got caught

763
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: was Michael Bianki, who managed aspects of all three businesses,

764
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: injured his back, neck and shoulder in the Little Bear

765
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: Creek mine. Uh he needed surgery and uh Woods refused

766
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 1: to pay, and so he had to file a claim

767
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: with the State Workers compon board. Um. And that's basically

768
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: how he sort of got caught running all these businesses

769
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: because he sued the and he sued that guy for

770
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: like over a million dollars or something. Yeah, he also

771
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: has had four wives in prison. Um. What relations are

772
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 1: tough in prison? Super uncommon? I don't think. I think

773
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: there's a lot of like you know, um, example, it

774
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: has a serial killers, like people to become fans of

775
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: the person and letters. That's a long time man, I

776
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: mean forty years. You know, who knows what the circumstances are.

777
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,720
Speaker 1: You right, it sounds like the perfect husband. He's stuck

778
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: in prison. He has enough money to buy you a

779
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: mansion and sure only have to see him when you

780
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: want to. Like, that sounds like a pretty good deal.

781
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: It's it's a very good point, a good deal for

782
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: him to dude. Sometimes you just want to be free

783
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: and hang with your boys in prison and then occasionally

784
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 1: get that conjugal trailer exactly. So, I mean, you know,

785
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: if you just look at the math of it, that's

786
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: uh one every ten year average, So yeah, I mean

787
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: I guess it makes sense you could just every ten

788
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: years or just like, I'm sorry, babe, I just uh,

789
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 1: our letters are getting you know, less and less filled

790
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: with passion. I'm kind of faking it now and I

791
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 1: can't be tied down, Hunt. I'm a free spirit. Yeah, literally,

792
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: just in prison, I can't be typed. I gotta likee

793
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: going on. Oh man, so Vince, And I'm sorry if

794
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: I if I missed it. I mean, is the motivation

795
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: literally this idea of of making a real life event

796
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,240
Speaker 1: that that can then be the inspiration for a movie

797
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 1: or was there more? Mean they literally just wanted more cars,

798
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 1: Like that was the whole That was the whole thing.

799
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 1: They wanted more cars, and like you know, as a submotivation,

800
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: as a submotive, uh, the cars were maybe going to

801
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: finance the younger brothers movies, which I'm sure he made

802
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: would have made lots of if he hadn't gone to prison.

803
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it really was just like he was trying

804
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: to keep up with the Joneses. He was just like,

805
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: oh man, you know, these guys are so cool, and

806
00:46:58,080 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: I got all these better cars and I got the

807
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 1: Jaguar because he couldn't he couldn't afford the insurance, right, Yeah,

808
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: and so he's like, you know, who can afford the insurance? Um,

809
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: the state that funds schools doesn't. Doesn't a trust fund

810
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: usually kick in when you're like in your twenties. I

811
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 1: had to be how he was like, because usually it's

812
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:22,879
Speaker 1: tied to like when you're eighteen or something. I would think,

813
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: so when you become when you become a non minor,

814
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: when you because I was about to say a major,

815
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: that's not a thing an adult, but yeah, I mean

816
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: I just don't understand. Maybe his parents, you know, they

817
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: certainly can write, you know, caveats into it where it

818
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: requires certain things like you gotta not live in the house.

819
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: Maybe you gotta find your own way, get a career,

820
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: go to college. Otherwise, you know, kids just become garbage.

821
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that was even a thing in

822
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: the Sopranos with Meadow, where they wouldn't give her her

823
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: trust fund because she was threatening to go to Europe

824
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: or whatever instead of staying in college. And then finally

825
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: they relent, like, you know what, we trust you to

826
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: make the right decision. Here's your trust fund. Yeah, and

827
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,399
Speaker 1: and uh, I also think that, like, you gotta give

828
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 1: kudos to the parents for having foresight for knowing that, like,

829
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: let's wait a little bit. Let's make the age thirty

830
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: for the student collecting his trust fund, because I just

831
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 1: have a sneaking suspicion he's gonna do like a bus kidnapping.

832
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: And uh, you know they're really doctor saying this, right,

833
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 1: and when when the kid's born. Yeah, like I've been

834
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,959
Speaker 1: delivering babies for a while, this kid is a bus thief. Yeah,

835
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,760
Speaker 1: this kid, Uh, just wait till thirty for the million dollars.

836
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: You will thank me later. And I'm sure they did.

837
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 1: They were just like, all right, well that's our money. Still.

838
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: I mean it's interesting, you know, because there's there's this

839
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: moment then where like it's so common that it's almost

840
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 1: the troope, right, the idea like there's this kid who

841
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,720
Speaker 1: has money, but they can't get it, you know, until

842
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: they satisfy some conditions and they reach a certain age.

843
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: And so I just have this image of like the

844
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 1: errants getting hit up for money and they say, look,

845
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Speaker 1: we have a trust fund for you, but you have

846
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Speaker 1: to be a little bit more mature to get it.

847
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: And his responses, I'll show you mature. Yeah, he should

848
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: have just had to go back and do all the

849
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: grades over again, like Billy Madison. I forgot about that one.

850
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Speaker 1: So what's what's your takeaway from this, Vince? Like, has

851
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Speaker 1: this inspired you towards a life of crime or do

852
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: you feel more cautionary to I am going to kidnap

853
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: more children? Um? No, Yeah, it's I feel like the

854
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: root of all of these crimes is generally, you know,

855
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: seeing other people with better stuff than you and being like, hey,

856
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: I want to do that. Um. And that's pretty much all.

857
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: There's not a lot more deep thought that went into it.

858
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Speaker 1: I don't think there's a line from a Mr. Show

859
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Speaker 1: sketch Coupon the movie where they're like green lighting this

860
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 1: movie about this coupon and there's a guy that they

861
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 1: think it's gonna bomb, and one of the exacts goes,

862
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: I swear to God, if I have to go from

863
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: being rich, super rich to just rich, I'll kill myself. Um.

864
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Speaker 1: And I think that that's something that I really is.

865
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: Once you go, once you hit a certain point, anything

866
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: any back pedaling is a tantamount to utter failure. Um.

867
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: And you really just measure yourself against everybody else. I mean,

868
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: it's honestly a life lesson to just you know, be

869
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Speaker 1: happy with what you got and not like measure success

870
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: or happiness based on other people's ship because it is

871
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: a losing proposition, because there will always be someone with

872
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 1: more than you. Uh. And this is exactly I think

873
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 1: that the takeaway from the story, as far as I'm concerned,

874
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: my entire happiness on how many five star uh, five

875
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Speaker 1: stars in a review we get on our podcast events

876
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: and um, and then I compare it to other people's

877
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: podcasts and uh, and then I just cry, you know,

878
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Speaker 1: I mean, I know there's there's some pretty good reas

879
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: church into the comparative level of happiness. And one of

880
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: the things that is counterintuitive to some people is if

881
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Speaker 1: you are making like, let's say you're making thirty thousand

882
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 1: dollars a year and everybody you work with is making

883
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: twenty nine thousand dollars a year, just that little difference

884
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 1: will make you feel pretty great according to like, according

885
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:27,399
Speaker 1: to psychology, and then uh, in comparison or in contrast, rather,

886
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 1: if you're making two million dollars a year and you

887
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 1: know that everybody work with is making like two million

888
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: and two hundred dollars. You're you're in the depths of

889
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 1: despair and you're like, what have I done to deserve

890
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 1: this tragic injustice? Well, and there's also a level at

891
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: which like you're not actually like tangibly happier. Um, there's like,

892
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: I think, what is it, like, seventy grand a year.

893
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 1: I think is like a pretty decent depending on where

894
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 1: you live, A decent benchmark for like, this is enough

895
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: money for you to have the things that you want

896
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: and the things that you need and to not you know,

897
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: go batship with it, but also just to kind of

898
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 1: live a nice, measured, happy life. And then once you

899
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Speaker 1: get above that, that's can you start getting into the

900
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: more money, more problems proposition of wealth. You know? Yeah,

901
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: I know someone who um complained. Who I know someone

902
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: who was on a canceled NBC sitcom who keeps complaining

903
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:26,879
Speaker 1: about their costar making more money when this person made

904
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: a million dollars for being a side character a million

905
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 1: dollars and complaining that the co star got a million

906
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: point too. And I was just like, you're never allowed

907
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 1: to talk to me again. Just don't complain about money

908
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: like that is not going to that that is just

909
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: that's insane just because they got a million dollars it

910
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: was canceled. You should tell them about the school bus solution.

911
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: That's what I'm gonna tell them. It's like, you want

912
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 1: to earn that extra point to school bus their kids

913
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Speaker 1: and choo Chilla who need kidnapping. There's no school bus

914
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: solution to a spiritual problem. And I think that's that's

915
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: the lesson here and one of the other lessons perhaps

916
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: when the primary takeaways is to immediately check out Pod

917
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Speaker 1: Yourself a Gun. Uh, Vince, thank you for taking us

918
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Speaker 1: on this journey. And I just behind the scenes, I

919
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 1: was checking out pod Yourself a Gun. Uh My rider died.

920
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 1: The one and only Noel Brown has been on the

921
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: on the show. In fact, No, what did you guys

922
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 1: talk about on that episode? Well, it was like I

923
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: think we talked about this. Off are the four of us.

924
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: But I've found Pod Yourself a Gun literally, just because

925
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 1: I needed to fill the holes within me that that

926
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: can only be filled with Sopranos content. And I you know,

927
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: I rewatched the show like several times a year, and

928
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: I saw a meme that kind of sums me up

929
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 1: where it's like, well, just finished rewatching The Sopranos. Guess

930
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 1: it's time to watch the Sopranos. Um. It's just it

931
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 1: beets become this kind of comfort thing for me, even

932
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,879
Speaker 1: though it's you know, it's a very tense and anxiety

933
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 1: build show. But I I so once you know what

934
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 1: what what it's doing and where it's going, I don't

935
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: think it affects you the same way. I find it

936
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 1: to be like really like calming and comforting. So I

937
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: rewatched it constantly, and I was looking for podcasts and

938
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: there really aren't a ton of them out there, and

939
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 1: y'alls came up and it was a clever name, obviously,

940
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 1: and so I checked it out. And then it turned

941
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: out that like some of our colleagues from The Daily

942
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: Zeitgeist and from our l A crew had been guests.

943
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 1: So I literally reached out to Anna host Night and

944
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 1: asked if she'd introduced me, like literally, I was just

945
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: like a fan of the show, and she did, and

946
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: y'all were kind enough to have me on UM to

947
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: talk about season five, episode one, the Two Tony's, which

948
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 1: is the one where all the old timers are getting

949
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: out of prison, like this wave of like you know,

950
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 1: incarcerations that happened I guess like in the seventies or

951
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: something like that, and they're all kind of getting Now.

952
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,479
Speaker 1: He got Feature Lamana, and he got Tony Blondetto, which

953
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,439
Speaker 1: is Tony's cousin played by Steve Bushemy, and then there's

954
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:53,800
Speaker 1: a handful of others. But yeah, that's what we talked about.

955
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: And we talked about A j being kind of an insufferable,

956
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: awful young you know, Rascal, that's the word fails son.

957
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 1: I love that. I think I've only heard you guys

958
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 1: say that. And also a terrible drummer. That was my

959
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: biggest point that I think I may and if anyone

960
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 1: walked away with anything that I felt strongly is that

961
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 1: JJJJ is a horrible, horrible drummer. There's nothing nothing more

962
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: insufferable than someone playing drums at you while you're trying

963
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: to talk to them and not even doing a good job.

964
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 1: It's just it's it's the worst. And then watching him

965
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:28,280
Speaker 1: get attacked by a bear. And as as Matt said earlier,

966
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: if you want to if you want to help our

967
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: guys here, uh feel a little better, not rob as

968
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: school bus. You can make a difference with a five

969
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 1: star review on your podcast platform of choice and uh

970
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 1: you can also check out You can also check out

971
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 1: Vince and Matt's other podcasts. You're you're making us look bad.

972
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 1: You guys are doing a lot here. Well, the Prodcast

973
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: film drunk Prodcast has been going on for a long

974
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 1: long time. We're all about quantity over quality. Yes, yes,

975
00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 1: you just keep loading up the content slop and you

976
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: just let the piggies feed. I love it well and

977
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: then a ringing recommendation of a million percent and then

978
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 1: you know, this story ended up being a real epic.

979
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: But you have a story about you, you tease to

980
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: the top of the show about some kind of bumbling

981
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: mafia brothers. I propose that we do that as a

982
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: separate episode, just the two of us and Max, and

983
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: make this a trilogy. You know what, Let's let's go

984
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 1: for a three for because then I think, yeah, that

985
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 1: that with three is the smallest number you need to

986
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 1: make a list. This technically a list, so we could

987
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 1: call it a franchise. And we can't wait to hear

988
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 1: your stories about bone headed mafio. So it just hit

989
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: me speaking about bone headed crimes and criminals in general,

990
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: it just hit me that some of our friends from

991
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 1: this story might be listening to the podcast today. I

992
00:56:55,480 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 1: don't know what the stances on podcasting in prison, but yeah,

993
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:03,839
Speaker 1: it's true. It's true. So we can't wait to hear

994
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,359
Speaker 1: what you think of pod yourself a gun, a film

995
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:10,240
Speaker 1: drunk broadcast. We also can't wait to hear your takes

996
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: on some of history's dumbest crimes. As always, you can

997
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: find us at our uh we got a lot of stuff. Now,

998
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: let's see, We've got the Facebook page, Facebook page ridiculous historians.

999
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: Just pop it over to Facebook, type that in and

1000
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 1: I think you have to answer like a basic question

1001
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: like one of our names, or just say something to

1002
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: let us know you're not a Russian bot and you're in.

1003
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: We now have a working email address. Swear to God,

1004
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: are you still not getting it? Ben? We gotta figure

1005
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 1: that part out so forward, I will well. Also like

1006
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 1: they also go straight to my spam folders, so I

1007
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 1: don't see them readily, but I gotta. We need to

1008
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: start doing listener mail episodes to give us a reason

1009
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 1: to search for them, because our company has quite a

1010
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 1: restrictive spam filter. But we do get them, we swear.

1011
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: So please write to us at ridiculous at I heeart

1012
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 1: media dot com, and and and we're gonna get that fixed.

1013
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: So so Ben's getting them too soon. And then I think,

1014
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 1: do for a listener, Maile episode, I bet you we

1015
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: have a good little crop of of letters, and Vince

1016
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: that we usually don't tell people this until the very

1017
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: end of guest spots, but we really tried to dress

1018
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 1: up the show for you here by helping you avoid

1019
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 1: our nemeses. This show does have a nemesis. Yeah, he

1020
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: pops in unexpectedly and gives us pedantic history quizzes. It's

1021
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: probably coming back in a week or two. What do

1022
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 1: you say? You know? I think so we we can,

1023
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: you know, we are able to summon him, but we

1024
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 1: we don't want to leave off without delivering on a

1025
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 1: on a promise that we made. Vince, gotta put you

1026
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: on the spot. We all need mafia nicknames, if you

1027
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: don't mind. Oh jeez, hey, I'm gonna call you the beard,

1028
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 1: uh because it's real creative. You got that beard? Hear?

1029
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: I like it? Walk us through the logic here? Yeah? Yeah,

1030
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 1: that was what's that? I said? That was the logic?

1031
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 1: The logic was you see a beer it's sort of

1032
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 1: like driving around naming signs that you see are reading.

1033
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: You know now that that you also have you go

1034
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 1: deeper with these. Don't sell yourself short, Vince. What about Ben? Uh?

1035
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: You know we're gonna call him, Uh damn, what was

1036
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 1: that scaban? Uh? We'll just call him to tone because

1037
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: you know he's like, what was the bowling for? Was

1038
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: a bowling for soup? I don't know. Does he look

1039
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 1: like the guy from Bowling for Soup? I don't know.

1040
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 1: Isn't that you know, like Benny two tone? I like it? Yeah,

1041
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 1: we just need one from Max MAXI. You know, he's

1042
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 1: we call him Max Pause because he's you know, he's

1043
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 1: a puppy with big pause. That's what we're talking about.

1044
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 1: I love Uh. Yeah, that's better that Max. My one

1045
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: for you was gonna be a little gigante. So I

1046
00:59:56,600 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 1: think backs pauses is much better. Well, good safe, good catch,

1047
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 1: because we got close to forgetting about that, and we

1048
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: would have gotten some angry let We probably wouldn't know.

1049
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 1: You never know, but Vincent and Matt, thank you so

1050
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 1: much for for joining us. Where can folks find you

1051
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: on the internet outside of your podcasts? Yeah? As always

1052
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 1: on up Rocks on the Senior Film and Culture writer,

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Speaker 1: dropping lots of takes over there, and uh yeah, and

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Speaker 1: Twitter Vince at Vince Mancini and you can find me

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Speaker 1: on Twitter at matt leeb um or on Instagram at

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Speaker 1: Matt leave Jokes and so yeah, check that out. Matt.

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Speaker 1: Don't get don't get mad at me for saying this,

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Speaker 1: but I did go check out some of your stand

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Speaker 1: up on YouTube. We're talking about that off air. Oh yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: people can people can still find that as well. Please, yeah,

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Speaker 1: go ahead and go to YouTube and type in Matt

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Speaker 1: leeb and then eventually you'll see some stand up videos

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Speaker 1: and uh, you know, go ahead and watch them and

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Speaker 1: tell your friends to watch them. I got lots of jokes.

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Speaker 1: I did had this one joke about it. Mouth Billy

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Speaker 1: Bassie'll love it. You don't want to know what I

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Speaker 1: do with it. You'll have to You'll have to hear

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Speaker 1: for yourself. To hear for yourself, it's exploited, all right.

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Speaker 1: And you can also find Nolan me of course, uh

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Speaker 1: not just this is your show, but as individuals, that's right,

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Speaker 1: you can find me. I'm pretty much exclusively on Instagram

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Speaker 1: aside from the occasional Twitter lurking, but look me up

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Speaker 1: on Instagram at how Now Noel Brown. You can check

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Speaker 1: out my adventures on Instagram at ben Bulling b w

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Speaker 1: L I N I am. I made a decision not

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Speaker 1: to not to show some backstage misadventures today, but I

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Speaker 1: just got my eyes dilated and it is like weird.

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Speaker 1: I if I see him off today, guys, it's because

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Speaker 1: I can't fight see you um. But you can also

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Speaker 1: find me on Twitter appn Bolling hs W and as

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Speaker 1: soon as my vision returns, I'll check back into Hopefully

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Speaker 1: I'll be back by the next time we record then

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Speaker 1: for the third part of this now Prime trilogy. This

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Speaker 1: may well be our God Other three red Cut, but

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Speaker 1: I think the red cut is supposed to be pretty good.

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Speaker 1: The re cut is supposed to be pretty good because

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Speaker 1: it's not our Exorcist too. We'll see you next time, folks.

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