WEBVTT - Agenda Over Accomplishments 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:14.480 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to willk F Daily with 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:22.000 Meet your Girl Daniel Moody recording back in the home Bunker, folks. 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:27.360 Over the week the holiday week, I posted two videos 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:33.360 on my Instagram and TikTok with regard to the Biden administration, 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:36.959 the upcoming twenty twenty four election, and the fact that 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:40.800 we are not voting for perfection, that we are voting 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:46.360 to hold on. And let me tell you that the 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:50.720 comments that I have been sorting through on both of 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:54.760 those videos, let's just say they were not the fucking best, 0:00:55.480 --> 0:01:01.760 with over one hundred people or so commenting about the 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:05.160 fact that they are not going to vote for Joe Biden, 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:10.440 that there is no difference between Biden and Trump, that 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:14.600 they are going to vote their values, that they are 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:20.920 done voting in fear, and that genocide Joe quotation marks 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:27.920 is not going to get their vote. Let me tell 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:32.240 you that I am fucking terrified, and I am trying 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:39.319 desperately to figure out how in God's green Earth we 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:44.800 convince people. I convince people that they need to vote 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:51.520 for Joe Biden. Otherwise the twenty twenty four presidential election 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:54.000 is going to be the last fucking election that we have. 0:01:56.440 --> 0:01:59.000 I want to express to you that the Heritage Foundation, 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:02.600 up on their website site, has Project twenty twenty five, 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:09.320 which is being aggressively funded at over a billion dollars 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:15.280 by white right wing extremists to have staff in place 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:19.200 on day one to begin finishing the hit job that 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:24.919 Donald Trump started on January sixth, twenty twenty one. These 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:30.880 people are not playing games. They elected Mike Johnson as 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:35.480 their Speaker of the House, and the man lives and 0:02:35.600 --> 0:02:43.240 worships the nineteenth century. Just a reminder, women did not 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:46.519 have the right to vote and black people were still enslaved. 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:52.560 And that's where he gets his values from. They want 0:02:52.600 --> 0:03:01.640 a chrysto fascist society where there are no elections, where 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:05.480 they are both the judge, the jury and also the executioner, 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:11.360 where any dissenters are put in jail or indicted on 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:13.920 trumped up charges. But who cares because all of the 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:17.239 judges will be at Donald Trump and his sycophants whim. 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:22.639 I can't express enough how much of a game this 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:29.280 fucking is not. And look, I'm folks, I am sitting 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:37.840 here alongside you and watching the horrors unfold in Palestine. 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:44.560 I am watching our tax dollars go to funding murder 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:52.840 of children. This is not an easy pill to fucking swallow. 0:03:54.840 --> 0:03:58.880 But what I also know is that we don't have 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:05.960 an alternative. It's either we are voting for democracy or 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:10.480 we're voting for our demise. That's it. It is really 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:15.240 that black and white, and so I want people to 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:20.799 honestly understand that, like I am here with you, things 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:27.640 don't seem much better, but they will never have the 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:35.120 opportunity to get better if a Democrat is not in 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:40.839 control of the Department of Justice, of the EPA, of 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:45.440 the Department of Education, so on and so forth. Who 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:48.599 do you want making decisions about what your child is learning? 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:56.040 You know, folks. So coming up next a really important 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:59.240 conversation with a guest that we've had on the show 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:04.560 before because she's so brilliant, a not Schenker Osario, who 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:08.800 is the host of Words to Win By. She's a researcher, 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:14.680 a message maker, a campaign advisor, and somebody who gets 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:19.320 it and wants the administration to get it too. So 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:28.960 listen to our conversation coming up next, folks. I am 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:32.000 very happy to welcome back to wok F Daily. As 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:33.440 a matter of fact, I don't even know how long 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:36.960 it's been, because time is a vortex. But I'm very 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:40.880 happy to welcome a not shanker Osario back to wok 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:44.000 F Daily. She's the host of Words to Win By, 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:49.120 a podcast about progressive wins. She is included the whole 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:52.920 chapter dedicated to you in the book The Persuaders. And 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:56.839 so you are the messenger, You are the message maker, 0:05:57.000 --> 0:06:01.320 as your platform says, and my guy, odd, do we 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:04.680 need a message? Do we need some fixing? Because as 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:07.719 it turns out, folks, you know that I am not 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:11.080 a person that believes in polls, particularly this far out 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:15.839 from the presidential election. However, much like I just said 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:19.080 to it not earlier, that much like horoscopes can be 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:21.880 a form of a guide, you know, just like we 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:23.760 look at the weather and we decide what code to 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:28.880 put on or not, two polls can particularly give us 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:31.200 some guidance as to what is working and what is not. 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:36.160 And right now, nothing this fucking administration is doing is working, 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:40.320 and it is being evidenced in polls in swing states 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:44.359 that show Biden down to Trump by some and in 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:47.240 some places as much as five or more points. We've 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:49.280 seen his poll numbers dip over the last two and 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:52.760 a half weeks below forty percent, because we know that 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:55.960 he's been unable to get climb out of the forties 0:06:56.040 --> 0:07:00.480 for his entire presidency. So not what is playing in 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:04.640 what is happening? We know that there is a lot happening, 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:08.160 as you see it from your vantage point of messaging. 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:10.360 What's going on? 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:14.600 Oh, so many things to say besides thank you for 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:17.920 having me again. It's lovely to see you. Wish it 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:21.320 were under different circumstances. We can't keep meeting like this, 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:27.320 But let me dive in and try to make some 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:31.800 sense here. So the first thing that people need to really, 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:34.640 really really understand is what does it mean to take 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:38.760 a survey? What does it mean to have a polster 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:43.560 call you or to provide you some sort of online platform. 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:46.600 I didn't check what the sampling methodology was for New 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:49.200 York Times Enna, but it's probably some sort of hybrid. 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:52.840 And to answer questions about your feeling in this present moment, 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:56.640 and how is that like and how is that different 0:07:57.160 --> 0:08:00.760 to being in the voting booth. Act of taking a 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:04.440 survey and answering survey questions is quite a different act 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:07.480 than the act of being in a voting booth and 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:11.040 choosing to go into that voting booth or to mail 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:14.680 in a vote if that is allowed in your particular jurisdiction. 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:19.080 So what this survey tells us, and here I really 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:22.680 want to shout out my frequent colleague Michael Podhorser, who 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:27.320 wrote a really really important piece monthly. Mike and I 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:32.160 are you know, famous sparring partners, longtime friends. He wrote 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:35.120 a cure for mad pole disease. And basically what's happened 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:38.000 with this New New York Times poll is they've introduced 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:41.320 the omicron of this new mad pole disease and we all, 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:43.960 you know, it's just a new virulent strain and we 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:48.200 all need a booster shot. So why he would say this, 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:54.280 why I'm echoing it, is people are famously bad predictors 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:58.600 of what we want for dinner on Tuesday, let alone 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:00.520 what we are going to want to be doing a 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:04.440 year from now. But so, what this survey is telling 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:08.880 us that in the present moment, people are registering really 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:13.760 strong displeasure with Joe Biden. As you said, so that 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:17.120 is correct. Does that mean that that's going to manifest 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:21.200 in the election. The answer is, we have no idea 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:23.440 this poll does not tell us one way or the other. 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:27.280 What it does tell us is that right now, as 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:30.160 you said, the things that are going on, the touting 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:33.480 of accomplishments is not working. And I have lots and 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:36.640 lots and lots to say about the touting of accomplishments 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:41.040 and how that is rubbing people the wrong way, because, 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:44.760 in point of fact, having looked at it recently myself 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:48.360 with colleagues through a randomized control trial experiment, which is 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:50.800 a much more rigorous way of looking at these things 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:56.319 than surveys, what we find is that discourse about accomplishments, 0:09:56.880 --> 0:10:00.400 with the exception of the jobs, the showing how many 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:03.000 new jobs have been added, that does with a needle 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:07.360 a little bit on vote choice. The rest of the accomplishments, 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:11.560 especially that inflation graph that shows the you know, the 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:14.520 little line going down that actually backlashes. 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:19.679 Oh okay, why wait why? Well you'll tell us why 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:23.840 why is that? Why does that backlash? As opposed to 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:26.560 I mean, I get the jobs numbers right, like, it's 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:29.680 very clear for people, these are how many jobs we've added. 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:32.160 Here's the bar graph. I've added more jobs at this 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:34.920 point than any other president before. Tell us about the 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:36.520 inflation piece though. 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:41.160 Yeah, so what's going on with showing people that inflation 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:43.800 line graph going down, or as I like to call it, 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:51.079 barographs will continue until morale increases that line either because 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:54.320 Americans don't understand rate of change, and so they look 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:56.840 at that graph and even though it's about inflation, which 0:10:56.880 --> 0:10:59.600 is about a rate of change, they think that means 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:03.080 price are falling, and they're like, fuck you very much, 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:05.520 They're definitely not falling. I go to the grocery store, 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:08.120 I can tell you that they're not. So it's either 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:10.920 a reaction to I don't believe that and I'm very 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:14.400 angry with you, or more simply, even if they do 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:19.400 understand that inflation is a rate of change, you're telling them, hey, 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:22.000 I'd like you to think about inflation. Please put inflation 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:24.160 top of mind. How do you feel about Joe Biden? 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:29.360 And the answer is boo, yeah, we don't want to 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:32.760 bring up the things that are people's pain points. Now. 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:37.640 The jobs barograph, in contrast, doesn't rub people the wrong 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:42.120 way because it isn't felt personally. You can have a 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:44.800 sense that you know, maybe there are more jobs being created, 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:47.680 maybe there are not. I have no kind of way 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:50.760 as an individual human being living within my own community 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:54.320 to assess whether there's X million jobs. But I can 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:56.920 buy that, whereas I do go to the grocery store, 0:11:56.920 --> 0:11:58.400 I can tell you I don't feel like I have 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:02.920 enough money I feel personally. But the other thing that 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:08.040 we see is that across the board, touting agenda is 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:11.920 much more effective than touting accomplishments. And there is a 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:16.000 reason why it's a canard about campaigns that campaigns are 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:19.000 about the future, they're not about the past. And so 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:23.040 talking to people about we've done this, we've done that, 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:28.680 we've created this, we've created that, they either don't buy it, 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:31.320 they feel like it's not enough, they don't like it, 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:32.920 and they're frustrated about it. 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:35.520 So it's like it's the idea of don't tell me 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:38.240 what you've done, tell me what you're doing right, or 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:41.040 what you're or what you're going to do, what you're. 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:41.480 Going to do. 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:41.920 Yeah. 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:47.640 And so when we contrast examples of quote unquote accomplishments 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:52.600 against stating a second term agenda, and to be very specific, 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:57.880 a second term agenda that includes protecting our freedoms, our 0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:00.959 freedom to decide whether and when we have kids, protecting 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:03.800 our freedom to vote and pick our own leaders and 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:07.680 have those votes counted. Protecting our freedom to retire in 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:11.160 dignity with social security, Protecting our freedom to see a 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:14.200 doctor and not have a freak out when the bill comes. 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:18.080 Protecting our freedom to send our kids off to school 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:20.680 and know they're going to come home safe at the 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:24.240 end of the day. First of all, just the act 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:27.319 of touting a second term agenda, does this thing we 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:31.800 call presupposed, don't assert? It suggests that this is going 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:36.600 to be the administration in the second term. Because going 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:40.640 back half a step to your question around pulling, what 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:45.079 happens with the reporting of pulling is that it creates 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:49.840 social proof that people don't like this guy. And when 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:53.040 we have more discourse around people don't like this guy, 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:54.680 they think he's too old, they think he's to this, 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:59.680 they think he's to that, that actually increases the number 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:03.000 of PEP people who don't like him. It's like we saw, 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:10.040 for example, reporting on vaccine hesitancy increased vaccine hesitancy because 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:15.000 people are reading their environment for social cues to understand 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:18.560 what does a my kind of a person think. You know, 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:22.480 a young person, a black person, a you know mom 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:24.640 who lives in Oakland, like, whatever, what does a my 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:28.440 kind of a person think? And when the social cues 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:31.080 in your environment are telling you will they think that 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:33.800 vaccines are scary, or they think you're kind of a 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:36.400 person thinks that Joe Biden is too old, then that 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:39.960 actually creates license for you not just to have that feeling, 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:42.680 but to think that that is kind of the social 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:44.040 norm within your case. 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:48.600 It's pervasive inside of the community. Right. So essentially, there 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:52.760 are ways first to gather information that are more accurate 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:56.120 you have what you stated at the top, but also 0:14:56.320 --> 0:15:00.280 in the types of information that you're putting out, there 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:03.200 are ways to make people feel like, one, this is 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:05.360 what I can do for you in the future versus 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:08.960 what I have already done for you. And then to express, 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:12.480 not to reinforce the things that are upsetting people, right, 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:15.040 which is like you're you're totally right because let me 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:17.240 tell you something and I never even thought about it 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:19.880 until you say it. When I see those inflation gap 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:24.800 inflation charts, I'm fucking annoyed. I'm like, why are you 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:25.480 showing me this? 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:26.200 Right? 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:28.200 Like, I go to the grocery store just like every 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:31.360 other person in this country, you know, go every week 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:35.040 and I'm just like, how how is the register saying this? 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:37.520 And I got four things in my car? How does 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:43.080 that make sense? Right? So not reinforcing the pain points right, 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:50.400 it just seems logical a not but clearly is not logical. Yeah, 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:51.120 And other. 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:53.840 Things that I think it's really important to lift up 0:15:54.160 --> 0:16:00.280 is that this discourse around the horse race when we 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:07.160 live in a country where the election pathetically, horrifically undemocratically 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:10.040 is decided by five states, you know, not the one 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:11.800 I live in, which, by the way, is the most 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:16.920 populous state in the Union, California, but is decided on 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:22.479 a margin of one percent, in Wisconsin, in Michigan, in Pennsylvania, 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:26.040 in Nevada, in Georgia, et cetera. So what does that mean. 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:28.600 It means that if you look at any of these poles, 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:31.280 the margin of error on all of them is always 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:36.440 more than one percent, and the election is going to 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:40.600 come down to and hinge on a smaller margin than 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:44.000 any of these polls are able to. So essentially, what 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:47.080 you're doing is you're taking out a yardstick and you're 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:51.560 trying to measure, like, you know, something that an orthodontist 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:54.320 is trying to move a millimeter Uh, I don't know 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:56.680 why I've decided to use a dental analogy. It's probably 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:59.400 a pretty far fetched one, but I'm down this hole. 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:03.160 I've gone down this commit doing it. Yeah, commit, commit 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:06.640 makes total sense. So, first of all, it's just a 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:13.080 fundamentally blunt instrument to measure something that is extraordinarily fine grained, 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:17.919 because our elections hinge upon an extraordinarily small set of 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:23.040 voters in an extraordinarily small set of places. And then 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:26.040 the other piece of it is just from the vantage 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:29.840 point of actually having a responsible media. And this is 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:34.560 where it's really really just sick. How is it possible 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:37.399 that we have a media instead of reporting on the 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:41.879 actual news, they are creating this news around these what 0:17:41.920 --> 0:17:45.960 I would call deeply irresponsible pulling numbers because they do 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:48.720 not take pains to say it's a year out. You know, 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:53.560 people actually have no idea. And the way that we 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:58.200 win or lose national elections in this country hinges upon 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:01.520 who turns out to vote. In the first place. The 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:05.240 operative question is not really who are you going to 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:08.679 vote for? It's are you going to vote? Because what 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:11.320 we find and we saw this in the midterm right 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:14.520 the red wave, it was coming. It was overtaking us. 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:17.280 That's what all the pundits, the polls, et cetera said, 0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:20.720 because historically that's always been the pattern that the incumbent 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:23.399 party takes a shal lacking in the midterms. That's always 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:26.159 been true, with the exception of the election after nine 0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:28.520 to eleven, for I think obvious reasons and the one 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:31.680 we just had. What happened in twenty twenty two, it's 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:35.680 important to look under the hood and note that in 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:41.200 the states where Democrats won, the fifteen states where Democrats 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:46.359 won and staved off the Red wave, turnout was at 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:51.320 twenty eighteen levels, which was historic and so even more 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:54.240 historic because we managed to do that again, but we 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:58.359 were the incumbent, so basically unheard of. In the thirty 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:01.840 five states where Democrats did not win, and that is 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:04.720 why we have the House of Representatives that we have, 0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:10.440 turnout among Democratic base was down, as we would predict 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:13.760 in a midterm, and so it's always been the case 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:17.240 that in these battleground states, it hinges on who is 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:19.520 going to turn out to vote, and so the question 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:24.680 is really why why did we have this mass turnout 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:28.480 in twenty eighteen, in twenty twenty, in twenty twenty two 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:32.360 despite the incumbency, and it was because it was a 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:37.399 repudiation and a rejection of Maga that was the force. 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:40.920 You know, it's fantasy to say it was some sort 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:44.360 of love of an embrace of and you know care 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:45.760 or rats. 0:19:45.640 --> 0:19:48.480 Yeah of course, or by yeah yeah, it wasn't yeah. 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:53.919 And so that repudiation that what Mike, who I referenced 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:56.760 earlier calls the anti Maga majority, which we have seen 0:19:57.320 --> 0:20:02.919 turn out in eighteen, in in twenty two, in Kansas, 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:07.119 in you know, fingers processed what happens tomorrow in the 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:10.800 various states where we're seeing elections, but in various you know, 0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:18.160 ballot initiatives, that anti Maga majority, it turns out when 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:22.679 it understands, when we understand what is at stake, that 0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:28.400 our rights, our freedoms, our future, our children's lives. And 0:20:28.440 --> 0:20:32.159 so every moment that the media is not reporting on 0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:36.200 the fact that a criminal is currently the front runner 0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:41.879 for the Republican nomination, that a white Chrysto fascist is 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:47.040 now the speaker of the House representatives, that they're passing 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:50.800 initiative after initiative after initiative, or at least trying to 0:20:50.800 --> 0:20:53.800 to destroy our lives to take away our money, to 0:20:53.920 --> 0:20:57.800 harm our children. Every moment that they're not reporting on that, 0:20:58.040 --> 0:21:01.080 they're just reporting on the horse race. It's as if 0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:04.560 they media doesn't realize that they're actually impacting the horse 0:21:04.680 --> 0:21:08.640 race by making the discourse be about you know, this 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:11.640 is how people feel about Biden instead of saying, hi, 0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:14.520 there's an authoritarian fascist takeover underway. 0:21:20.560 --> 0:21:25.719 But that's why that I feel like the media is complicit, 0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:30.480 right that for them, having a Donald Trump in office, 0:21:30.840 --> 0:21:35.680 running for or running for office is good for their ratings. 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:39.719 This idea of people living in this twenty four seven 0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:44.960 fear and anxiety and the solace being cable news or 0:21:45.000 --> 0:21:47.640 the breaking news headlines coming out of the New York Times, 0:21:48.200 --> 0:21:52.000 is what is driving a dying market, right And so 0:21:52.119 --> 0:21:56.400 for them, I think to alert people, which is what 0:21:56.600 --> 0:21:58.879 I try and do on these shows, and what you 0:21:59.000 --> 0:22:01.600 do by the research and the work that you do 0:22:01.640 --> 0:22:05.240 and on your show. Like, the reality is they don't 0:22:05.240 --> 0:22:07.640 want to do that because it's not good for their 0:22:07.640 --> 0:22:10.840 bottom line, even though we believe that telling the truth 0:22:10.880 --> 0:22:14.800 to people would have them tune in at record rates 0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:17.720 because they want to be kept in the know. But 0:22:17.800 --> 0:22:22.159 the media is choosing, is picking and choosing what to 0:22:22.240 --> 0:22:24.840 keep them in the know about. Apparently Joe Biden tripping 0:22:25.800 --> 0:22:29.959 right is more important than the front runner of the 0:22:30.000 --> 0:22:35.159 Republican Party having been found liable for rape, right, Like 0:22:35.359 --> 0:22:38.680 so that like it's just like so Joe Biden being 0:22:38.720 --> 0:22:44.360 three years older than Donald Trump somehow makes Trump's incompetent rants, 0:22:44.600 --> 0:22:48.040 whether at a rally or in court, seem Okay. 0:22:49.320 --> 0:22:55.320 Yeah, I mean obviously I'm not in there. I think that, Yeah, 0:22:55.440 --> 0:22:59.800 it's ratings, but I also think what you said. I 0:22:59.800 --> 0:23:02.240 think that they would be getting ratings about the coverage 0:23:02.280 --> 0:23:04.920 of the authoritarian takeover as well, because there's a lot 0:23:04.960 --> 0:23:07.200 of conflict, there's a lot of drama, there's a lot 0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:09.960 going on there. I think what it is is this 0:23:10.520 --> 0:23:16.280 kind of congenitally instinctive need for what they call quote 0:23:16.320 --> 0:23:19.560 unquote neutrality, as if the human mind were actually capable 0:23:19.600 --> 0:23:23.240 of not having emotions and beliefs and ideas about the 0:23:23.280 --> 0:23:26.000 information that we're provided, which we know is just simply 0:23:26.400 --> 0:23:30.959 not how cognition works. I think that because there is 0:23:31.080 --> 0:23:36.600 this kind of crusty thinking that the job of the 0:23:36.720 --> 0:23:41.480 reporter is to in fact present both sides. How could 0:23:41.480 --> 0:23:47.080 you possibly present both sides? Of an authoritarian takeover, you 0:23:47.240 --> 0:23:50.520 have to try to find something negative to say. And 0:23:50.960 --> 0:23:53.480 I mean the irony is that there's plenty of negative 0:23:53.520 --> 0:23:57.040 things to say, not like there isn't negative things to 0:23:57.080 --> 0:24:01.400 say about what's going on with democratic leaders. There is, 0:24:01.840 --> 0:24:06.000 but the tripping or the age or the reporting on 0:24:06.080 --> 0:24:09.840 the pulling results itself and thereby making that into the news. 0:24:10.240 --> 0:24:13.119 I mean, that's not where it's at. I think that 0:24:13.720 --> 0:24:16.159 it's this, you know, it's it's the same thing as 0:24:16.240 --> 0:24:19.560 when they used to have a climate scientist and a 0:24:19.560 --> 0:24:23.240 climate denier on, because otherwise you're not presenting quote, both 0:24:23.280 --> 0:24:24.119 sides of the story. 0:24:24.640 --> 0:24:26.920 Yeah, yeah, because that's both. 0:24:26.640 --> 0:24:29.680 Sides of the story. And you know, I mean it's 0:24:29.760 --> 0:24:34.199 just the absurdity of that, it's really Yeah, it's like 0:24:34.359 --> 0:24:37.960 giving the iceberg that the Titanic crashed into a microphone 0:24:37.960 --> 0:24:39.920 because like, doesn't the iceberg deserve a say? 0:24:41.080 --> 0:24:44.000 And in today's media, yes, yes, it would deserve a 0:24:44.080 --> 0:24:46.879 say in a full press conference, and like you know, 0:24:47.080 --> 0:24:48.520 and wall to wall. 0:24:48.320 --> 0:24:52.560 Coverage, ice lives matter too, they do. 0:24:54.280 --> 0:24:56.760 With just a couple of minutes that we have left, 0:24:56.800 --> 0:25:02.120 which is not enough time at all. How is how 0:25:02.160 --> 0:25:07.199 do you see the multiple crises that are unfolding in 0:25:07.400 --> 0:25:11.280 both the Middle East and Israel and Palestine as well 0:25:11.320 --> 0:25:18.040 as Ukraine and Russia right as well as what China 0:25:18.160 --> 0:25:21.240 is making moves and doing, what Iran is making moves 0:25:21.240 --> 0:25:26.400 and doing right now, playing into how Americans are seeing 0:25:27.160 --> 0:25:31.760 US as a country not exactly being the good guys, right, 0:25:32.000 --> 0:25:37.320 not exactly being you know, who they thought America was 0:25:37.440 --> 0:25:38.040 at the moment. 0:25:38.720 --> 0:25:42.680 Yeah, So if I can dig really, really, really deep 0:25:42.880 --> 0:25:46.240 and say the one bright spot, believe it or not, 0:25:46.320 --> 0:25:48.679 this is where I'm going to that New York Times Sienapol, 0:25:49.280 --> 0:25:53.120 and most people didn't notice this because of everything else 0:25:53.160 --> 0:25:57.359 about it was that they finally admitted and credited that 0:25:57.400 --> 0:26:00.600 the voters that matter are surge voters as opposed to voters. 0:26:00.640 --> 0:26:03.359 That's the interesting thing about that poll right they're reporting 0:26:03.440 --> 0:26:07.239 on It is the disaffected Democratic base that is at 0:26:07.359 --> 0:26:10.520 risk here. And while all of the things that I 0:26:10.560 --> 0:26:14.320 said before about crediting that with being accurate and true 0:26:14.480 --> 0:26:17.560 in an arena in which we need to measure tiny, tiny, 0:26:17.560 --> 0:26:20.000 tiny percentage points a year out and a survey is 0:26:20.000 --> 0:26:23.560 not a vote and so on, is still holds. It's 0:26:24.920 --> 0:26:29.120 something that The New York Times is actually being honest 0:26:29.280 --> 0:26:32.280 about which voters matter, because traditionally, the only voters that 0:26:32.280 --> 0:26:34.919 they give a shit about live and eat and sleep 0:26:34.960 --> 0:26:37.720