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Speaker 2: You're listening to the John Cobel podcast on the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 2: There there is there's just a we recorded a promo

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Speaker 2: hypocrisy and amnesia. Uh that and that people are engaging

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Speaker 2: in right now with the aftermath of the Jimmy Kimmel

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Speaker 2: Have seen a number of famous TV talk shows TV

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Speaker 2: a half and speak about freedom of speech and how

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Speaker 2: Kimmel's freedom of speech has been violated. Its First Amendment

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Speaker 2: rights have been violated. And I told you I don't

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Speaker 2: think anybody should ever be forced off the air through

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Speaker 2: pressure from the government. Now that's a general moral position

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Speaker 2: I have, But when you look into the legal situation,

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Speaker 2: there is no such thing. And I would think that

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Speaker 2: up in the heat of the moment. There is no

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Speaker 2: borrowing from the US government. I just don't understand why

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Speaker 2: FCC commissioner is putting on this kind of pressure, but

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Speaker 2: as I told you yesterday, there's been a history of this,

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Speaker 2: and the airwaves belong to the public. But the FCC,

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Speaker 2: whoever is in power, they decide what the public interest is.

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Speaker 1: What it says in the law is it has.

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Speaker 2: These radio waves TV waves have to be used in

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Speaker 2: the public's interest. Now that's a very broad statement, open

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Speaker 2: to all, you know, any a thousand different interpretations. When

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Speaker 2: And then you know, they had they had a zone

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Speaker 2: You couldn't use certain kinds of language or talk about

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Speaker 1: You can look all this up. It was part of

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Speaker 2: many many times. But going back to my original point,

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Speaker 2: First Amendment rights. Government can't do anything to you. You

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Speaker 2: It's not a thing. It's like sanctuary cities. People are

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Speaker 1: It's fictional. And over the last couple of days, I've.

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Speaker 2: Probably given you twelve different examples why it doesn't exist

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Speaker 1: Now. You're running a network, good luck.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what you do there, and you probably

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Speaker 2: It is a big mess if you're running the ABC network,

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Speaker 2: a big mess if you're running Disney. We'll talk about

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Speaker 2: these affiliate chains and the demands they're making when we

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Speaker 3: You're listening to John cobelts on demand from KFI, A

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Speaker 2: We're on every day from one until four. We got

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Speaker 2: two rounds of the Voiceline coming up after three o'clock. Oh,

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Speaker 2: and I appeared on another episode of my podcast, Never

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Speaker 2: Go About Live. You're gonna watch that because you can't

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Speaker 4: Right, I think I'm gonna pass. I think other people should.

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Speaker 4: But I see you so much.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for the endorsement. Hey, thanks for whipping up the

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'm telling your listeners should because they don't see

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Speaker 4: you every day.

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Speaker 1: I see you.

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Speaker 4: I've seen enough of your face, so listeners should love

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Speaker 1: You've come back, and your wife is lovely.

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Speaker 4: And I've you know, I've been through a lot, but

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Speaker 4: your wife is a great interviewer. I mean, look, she

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Speaker 4: interviewed me yes about a year ago, so she is great.

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Speaker 4: And so I'm sure you guys, Actually, I have seen many,

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Speaker 2: You could watch one more Never Covette Live. It's on YouTube,

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Speaker 2: Never covet Live and I'm I'm the guest and they

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Speaker 2: the what's the inside story on Kimill getting suspended? And

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Speaker 2: and they're making demands. Sinclair is going to be airing

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Speaker 2: You could get in trouble who if you didn't stand

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Speaker 2: It could be all those things. And here's another angle

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Speaker 2: And besides that particular department handles most of the espionage

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Speaker 4: But when you force somebody to do something like that,

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Speaker 2: It's like most tony apologies that people in radio and

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Speaker 2: TV make after they offend one.

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Speaker 1: Group or another.

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Speaker 2: Uh, I don't know, it's some weird ritual that everybody

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Speaker 2: goes through. But listen to the Listen to the business

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Speaker 2: that Disney has and needs FCC approval. Disney owns ESPN.

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Speaker 2: ESPN wants to buy the NFL network. That's a major

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Speaker 2: merger that needs, you know, anti trust approval.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Next Star wants to spend six billion dollars buying another

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Speaker 2: television chain called Tegna. So what do you think Nexttar

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Speaker 2: is going to do if they got a six billion

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Speaker 2: dollar deal up before the FCC. What do you think

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Speaker 2: Disney is going to do when they have this ESPN

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Speaker 2: deal to buy the NFL network up in the air.

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Speaker 2: I think They're gonna upset the FCC. Yeah, what would

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Speaker 2: you do if you were Disney? What would you do

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Speaker 2: if you were Next Star and Sinclair had putting a

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Speaker 2: bid on this Tenga company as well, and so up

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Speaker 2: Next Star falls through, then maybe Sinclair wants it and

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Speaker 2: they want approval, and who knows.

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Speaker 1: What else is going on.

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Speaker 2: It's it's just you know, all the fake, paid protesters

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Speaker 2: in front of Kibble's Theater yesterday on Hollywood Boulevard denouncing

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Speaker 2: gonna boycott this and I'm gonna boid. First of all,

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Speaker 2: the protesters are fake and paid for it. I don't

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Speaker 2: know why anybody covers them seriously, but let's assume they

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Speaker 2: might have been one or two sincere Ones. It's like, so, okay,

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Speaker 2: you're running ABC, you're running Disney, So what are you

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Speaker 2: supposed to do? The board of directors wants you to

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Speaker 2: cut this deal to increase profits and market share the shareholders,

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Speaker 2: the stockholders, they want boosting their stock. It hasn't really

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Speaker 2: gone up in ten years, the Disney stock. So what

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Speaker 2: a he's supposed to do? I mean, you can't just

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Speaker 2: scream first speech that it's not how the world works.

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Speaker 2: You know, Jimmy Kimmel was bringing in you know, hundreds

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Speaker 2: and hundreds of millions of dollars of profit. Yeah, maybe

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Speaker 2: you could balance the two, but he's not. He's losing money,

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Speaker 2: lost three quarters of his audience in the advertiser target demo.

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Speaker 2: So you're in charge here, you're the head of Disney,

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Speaker 2: you're in the head of ABC. What do you do

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Speaker 2: considering all that you're the head of Next Star or Sinclair?

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Speaker 2: I mean, their reality is that most people again goes

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Speaker 2: back to those three things I've been talking about all hour. Ignorance, amnesia,

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Speaker 2: and hypocrisy. And that's what a lot of the commentary

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Speaker 2: in public, by regular people and famous people, it falls

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Speaker 2: into those three categories. All right, we come back Royal

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Speaker 2: Oaks about this New York Attorney General Letitia James. Trump

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Speaker 2: wants her in jail over mortgage fraud and they gave

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Speaker 2: the job to Eric Cybert, the US Attorney for Virginia,

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Speaker 2: to find the mortgage fraud and he can't find enough

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Speaker 2: evidence to pursue charges. And the Trump people now want

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Speaker 2: cyber it out. Will tell you all about it, Royal

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Speaker 2: Oaks will explain it in detail.

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