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Speaker 1: M hm okay. Welcome to the Therapy for Black Girls podcast,

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Speaker 1: a weekly conversation about mental health, personal development, and all

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Speaker 1: the small decisions we can make to become the best

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Speaker 1: possible versions of ourselves. I'm your host, Dr Joy hard

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Speaker 1: and Bradford, a licensed psychologist in Atlanta, Georgia. For more

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Speaker 1: the characters, captivating plot lines, and of course, any mental

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Speaker 1: health implications that stand out. In this week's session, we're

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Speaker 1: chatting about Peacock's new series bell Air, which is a

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Speaker 1: dramatic reimagining of Will Smith's iconic nineties sitcom The Fresh

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Speaker 1: Prince of bel Air. For this conversation, I'm joined by

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Speaker 1: our associate producer, Alice Ellis and seen your producer, Freda Lucas.

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Speaker 1: I think it's safe to say we had a ball

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Speaker 1: recording this episode, and we all really love the show

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Speaker 1: so far. During our conversation, we explored what we're loving

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Speaker 1: about the new series, what we notice makes bell Air

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Speaker 1: mental health in turns impacting the characters, and of course,

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Speaker 1: our predictions for the season. If you haven't had time

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Speaker 1: Here's our conversation. So I am joined today by two

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Speaker 1: incredible members of our production team to have another producer

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Speaker 1: brown table. It feels like these are very fitting where

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Speaker 1: we find some shows that we love. So free Day

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Speaker 1: and elisare with me today if you will introduce yourself.

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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I am free to Lucas. I'm the senior

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Speaker 1: producer for Therapy for Black Girl. Hi everyone, I'm at

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Speaker 1: least Ellis. I'm the assistant producer for Therapy for Black Girls.

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Speaker 1: And if you've got a chance to listen to our

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Speaker 1: insecure producers round hebble. You know, we have lots of

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Speaker 1: thoughts about TV shows, and so a new one that

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Speaker 1: I feel like I had to do some convincing with Frieda.

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Speaker 1: I was definitely hesitant. My partner has The Fresh Prince

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Speaker 1: friend Friends of bel Air, so it's still very relevant

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Speaker 1: So you have a stronger connection. It sounds like in

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Speaker 1: some cases, I think burning it down is the more

432
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 1: effective route. But because there was a personal relationship with

433
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 1: her mom, I think that's what made it a little trickier.

434
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 1: So the other it feels like the largest conversation that

435
00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 1: has been happening around a character on the show is

436
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 1: around Carlton, So I do feel like he has been

437
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,879
Speaker 1: set up to be the villain in this reimagining of

438
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 1: the show, and I found him mildly annoying I think

439
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,479
Speaker 1: in the original, but in this one it is like

440
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 1: you are actively rooting against him, which just lets me

441
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 1: know one that the actor is amazing because you can't

442
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 1: even separate him from the character. And it was so

443
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 1: funny because I recently saw him like share a tweet

444
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 1: that said, if you're gonna hate on me, at least

445
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 1: use the four K version of my picture, like, please

446
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,440
Speaker 1: stop using them pixelated pictures of me to hate on me,

447
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 1: which I love. But it definitely seems like his character

448
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 1: is just really strong, and they have set up this

449
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,360
Speaker 1: dynamic that feels a little more intense to me than

450
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 1: it did in the original. What are your thoughts about Carlton?

451
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 1: Initially I wasn't sure. However, the scene with Carlton and Connor,

452
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 1: where Connor is saying, you know what in the locker room, Carlton,

453
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 1: you lost me, you law me? I think so. At

454
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:08,199
Speaker 1: the same time, Carlton he seems so in distressed and

455
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: I don't know why. So for example, when he was

456
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 1: really excited about that internship and he was speaking to

457
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 1: the older gentleman who he believed was on the board

458
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 1: or what have you, he found out that person wasn't

459
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 1: the person who needs to be speaking to. And then

460
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 1: when he got home and his parents asking about it,

461
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,439
Speaker 1: he said, I don't even want that internship anymore. And

462
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,439
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking, how do you go from wanting something

463
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:34,640
Speaker 1: so badly to totally throwing it away. I'm really concerned

464
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 1: about Carlton because to me, he also doesn't really match

465
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 1: his family. To me, he's not fitting in. Everyone else

466
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 1: seems more like Josial and Swede and caring and thoughtful.

467
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: And what we've seen of Carlton is just manipulative. And

468
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 1: the whole scene he had with Will when he was

469
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 1: speaking in front of the junior class and Will came

470
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 1: up and he did that whole thing to embarrass him.

471
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking, like, this is usually what I see

472
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:05,159
Speaker 1: of in a creepy white boy characters, like very manipulative,

473
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,120
Speaker 1: strange white boy characters, and to see it on such

474
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:12,160
Speaker 1: a dark skinned black man. Yes, this actor is excellent.

475
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: Because I'm looking at him, I'm like, I'm afraid of you.

476
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,640
Speaker 1: I'm scared because I don't know what I don't know

477
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 1: what he's capable of, because I really can't understand what

478
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: he's been through. And so Carlton is definitely getting villain vibe.

479
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: And before he was sweet and lovable. In the original

480
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,679
Speaker 1: he was nerdy, but he was sweet and lovable, but

481
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: this character is not. It's hard to find the love

482
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 1: right now. I definitely agree that it's hard to sympathize

483
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:43,640
Speaker 1: with Carlton in almost any situation that we've seen so far.

484
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: But I will say to your point about you're wondering

485
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,439
Speaker 1: like where some of his like angst and hurt comes from.

486
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 1: I think that the show could do a better job

487
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 1: at teasing out him being a black person in this

488
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 1: like white space, and then Seeing Will come in, And

489
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,959
Speaker 1: this is something we know from like the original series

490
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 1: that will probably be teased down in this is that

491
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: Will is gonna be very popular and Seeing will be

492
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: able to be himself and be very popular. Not to

493
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: say Carlton's not being himself, but to a degree, there

494
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,679
Speaker 1: has to be some assimilation and changing of who you

495
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 1: are to like fit into that space, and I think

496
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 1: that does come with a lot of pressure. And then

497
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 1: seeing an outsider come in and just do it so naturally.

498
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: And so that's something that I'm waiting for the show

499
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 1: to address, is like Carlton is under a lot of

500
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 1: pressure being the only black person in the space. He

501
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 1: played across. I play across. I know it. It's not

502
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: a lot of people playing across, especially in California now

503
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 1: on the East Coast. Maybe when in California, I'm like,

504
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: who is playing across? That's black for real? And so

505
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 1: I can definitely understand, like I'm in the space I

506
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 1: want to fit in already know I'm dark, I'm black,

507
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: I'm going to stick out. How can I fit in?

508
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 1: And then Will is new, so he's already going to

509
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: be a target. And I think it does aid Carlton

510
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: to kind of tease him and be the guy to

511
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: pick on the new guy, as opposed to saying like, hey,

512
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 1: this is my cousin. He's from Philadelphia. He's definitely not

513
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 1: from the burbs of l A. Let's include him. That

514
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 1: might jeopardize his social status at the school. So I'm

515
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,360
Speaker 1: interested to see how the series kind of addresses that.

516
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: And I think as they addressed that, and as we

517
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 1: know his drug use, we might be able to have

518
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: a little more sympathy for that character. That was beautifully stated.

519
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 1: I did not once consider how hard Carlton's life has

520
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: been as a very dark skinned young boy and now

521
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: young man in bel Air, And I think you're totally right.

522
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: I mean, remember he said in the episode to Lisa,

523
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: Carlton's been doing this since he was in like elementary school.

524
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,199
Speaker 1: And so that's probably why I can't relate. Because my

525
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: hombory school out much the black kids. I didn't have

526
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: to grow up around and only white space. But if

527
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: I did, how would I be different, How would it

528
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 1: have made sense for me to assimilate or just trying

529
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: to figure out a way to fit in and make

530
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 1: my life less difficult because I'm already out there. I

531
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,199
Speaker 1: think that was really beautiful at least, and I had

532
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: not considered that look, and then yeah, I agree. I

533
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 1: agree at least that this spot on, and I feel

534
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: like that is a part of what's happening. And I

535
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: think the other pieces that we have to consider their age, Right,

536
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: so we know that there are black people as adults,

537
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: as grown adults thirty plus who value being the only

538
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: one in a space, right, Like that feels very tragic

539
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: to me, but we know it exists, and so it

540
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: feels like that's a part of what we're seeing him

541
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: struggle with. But he's also a child, right, so his

542
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: brain is not even fully developed, So him grappling with

543
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: something like that looks more like the manipulation in acting

544
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: out that we see. The other thing that I think

545
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: does give us an opportunity to have some sympathy for

546
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: Carlton is that all of this happened so quickly, right,

547
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: so we know that, like Will was a flight to

548
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: bel Air in twenty four hours of the fight, right,

549
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: and so what were the conversations with the kids around

550
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: why Will is coming? It doesn't sound like they have

551
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: the whole story because you see Carlton repeatedly say like, oh,

552
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: we'll find out the real reason that you're here. And

553
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: so it feels similar to what would happen when like

554
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: there's a new baby in the house. So we know

555
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: from all the research that there are all these things

556
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: you're supposed to do to prepare kids for like a

557
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: new sibling or a new child coming into the house,

558
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: like helping them pick out nursery clothes and doing all

559
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: of these things, and none of that has had a

560
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: chance to happen in the past only four hours. Of

561
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: course they're older, right, so he has a different understanding

562
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: of someone new. But I think in any system, when

563
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: you have been around a while and there's like a

564
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: new person coming in, there could be some feelings of

565
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: I'm not a special anymore, or some feelings of abandonment,

566
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: you know. And it does seem like especially in that

567
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,959
Speaker 1: and the scene we see where Will has the basketball

568
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: game the same night as Carlton has a look cross

569
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: game and the parents say, Okay, we're gonna split our time. Well,

570
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: that is clearly nothing Carlton has had to worry about before,

571
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: and so now the attention from the parents has to

572
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: be divided. And we see that, you know, it looks

573
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: like Wolves having a great game, so they don't actually

574
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: even make it to Carlton's game, and so you know,

575
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: we see him blow up really over that. So a

576
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: lot of this I think is just a really difficult transition,

577
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: and it doesn't feel like the family has done the

578
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: greatest job maybe of talking with the kids about what

579
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: this change is going to mean and what their expectations

580
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: are of Carlton. You know, it seems like they have

581
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: some expectations that he's just gonna take him in and

582
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: show him around, but clearly those have not been voiced

583
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: to Carlton, nor has he bought into this idea that

584
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: he's supposed to be helping his cousin adjust to this

585
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: new life. More from my conversation about bell Air after

586
00:30:49,000 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: the break, So the other thing with Carlton and I

587
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: feel like, so there was one episode in the original

588
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: show when Carlton accidentally took the drugs and Will got

589
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: really scared that he was gonna have an overdose or something.

590
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: I can't quite remember all the details, but here we

591
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: see that Carlton is actively using I think xan x

592
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: is that is that what he said, but not like

593
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: swallowing the pills like he's snorting it. And so it

594
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: feels kind of early to tell like what's happening there.

595
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: It feels like some of it is a recreational kind

596
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: of like this is what the kids in his school do,

597
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: but even after like the blow up on the lacrosse match,

598
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: we see him like use the zan x as a

599
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: way of kind of coping, it feels like and so

600
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to tell whether this is a

601
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: recreational kind of thing or whether there's like an abuse

602
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: kind of problem here. But this is definitely like a

603
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: new Celant right, Like this is not at all something

604
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: that was in the original. So that is a plot

605
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: line that they have added. What are your thoughts around

606
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: like the drug use that we see with Carlton. The

607
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: Carlton from the original show didn't drink, didn't smoke, and

608
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: had a difficult time according with the ladies. Okay, this

609
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: Carlton in the reimagining, he is so chocolate. When he

610
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: was walking around Canvas and Lisa had to clean his nose.

611
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: I said, now, hold on a second, you didn't see

612
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: all that whiteness on your chocolate e nose to me?

613
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: And Lisa said it first. I'm gonna say it again,

614
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: Carlton has a problem. If you are taking drugs after

615
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: you were ejected out of a game and they're readily

616
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: accessible for you in your locker room, you have a problem.

617
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: If you're walking your own campus with drugs on your nose,

618
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: it can be seen you have a problem. And I'm

619
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: worried he's doing drugs in his house where his mom

620
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: and father and younger sister, Ashley lives. Definitely, Carlton has

621
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: a problem, and I think some of it could be

622
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: attributed to that pressure, because from my understanding, exams like

623
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: keeps you up right and keeps you going. And it's like,

624
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: if you're the star lacrosse player trying to get into Princeton,

625
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: then you have to deal with your new cousins bs

626
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: and you just got a lot going on. And obviously

627
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: I'm not happy that there's drugs used, but I'm glad

628
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: it's being addressed because I remember Euphoria came out, a

629
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: lot of people were like, whoa high school is doing

630
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: drugs and I'm over here like, yeah, I've not been

631
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: t and I know, like this has been happening, but

632
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: people are so shocked, and I'm like, no, people of

633
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: that age experience trauma, pressure, anxieties that does lead them

634
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: to get drugs, and whether their parents have a prescription

635
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:34,959
Speaker 1: or they know someone, or they get it on like

636
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: the black market, it is relatively accessible at that age

637
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: if you have what fifty dollars to get drugs, and so, no,

638
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: we don't want to normalize the use, but we do

639
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: want to normalize that it is a problem that young

640
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: people experience. Or I'm glad they're showing that. And my

641
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: prediction is that his relationship with Will will get better

642
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: and Will is able to help him through that because

643
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: we know Will comes from what I guess they're trying

644
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: to portray as like the inner city and drugs are

645
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: a little more accessible. They happened everywhere, but I bet

646
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: Will that character has seen someone struggle with it and

647
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,399
Speaker 1: can help Carlton in general deal with pressure because Will,

648
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: as a star basketball player, was at his school growing

649
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 1: up around crime, having to deal with like beef and

650
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: different stuff like that. Just stay safe, and I think

651
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: him and Carlton can hopefully like bond over that, and

652
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: he can be like, this is not the only way

653
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 1: that you have to deal with this. I have a

654
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: question for the group. When they were at Connor's party

655
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: and Will and Lisa were dancing and Carlton was looking

656
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: at them, did Will and Lisa actually kiss or was

657
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 1: Carlton hallucinating? So this was not something that I had

658
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,280
Speaker 1: thought much about, but again, and I've been so obsessed

659
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: with the show that I'm like going through the hashtag

660
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: on Twitter, right, And so Morgan actually answered this question

661
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: because somebody else on Twitter asked the question and it

662
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: was shocked to look as if it was only from

663
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: Carlton's advantage. So they didn't actually kiss, It was only

664
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: Carlton imagining that that was happening. So shout out to

665
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: the cast and the crew for being so active on

666
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: Twitter answering all of our questions. So Lisa is not

667
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,240
Speaker 1: a main character, but she is clearly a very important character.

668
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: Lisa appears to be Carlton's ex girlfriend, and you know,

669
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: it seems like a new friend to Will. Though it

670
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: will be interesting to see how this develops because clearly

671
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 1: he has like a crush on her. Right, and so

672
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,439
Speaker 1: I do think it's a little weird to be trying

673
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: to go after your cousin's ex girlfriend. So maybe they

674
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 1: keep them as friends, but definitely there is some interest.

675
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: But we also learned that Lisa's mom, who died I

676
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: think maybe a few years ago in the show from Lupus,

677
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: is also on via sorority sister, And so it sounds

678
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: like this is somebody who has maybe been around the

679
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: family even before she started dating Carlton. So I love

680
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: her as a character, and I think that she's adding

681
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: a nice flavor, like you mention and for you to

682
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: you know, it definitely seems like she and Carlton broke up,

683
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: maybe in part because of his drug use, that maybe

684
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: she felt like it was too difficult to try to

685
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: like maybe keep help him to stop or or whatever,

686
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: but that she is still there for him in the

687
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 1: background and will now more actively. When Lisa jumped in

688
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: the pool too, said Will, I said, I gotta learn

689
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: how to swim, because I mean, if my man needs

690
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: me in the ocean, I need to be ready. That

691
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: was so sexy, I said. She was. Not only can

692
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: she swim, y'all, she's strong enough to pull a young

693
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: man out of the water. I'm impressed, Lisa, I'm impressed.

694
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: I definitely like her, and I think it relates back

695
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: to some of the situations we saw in the original

696
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: Fresh principal air where Will and Carlton I would say

697
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: they were competing over girls because they definitely had different leagues,

698
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: but there was definitely attention like, oh, Will has a

699
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: day and I don't, or here as Will going out

700
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: again because I've been searching, like what are gonna be

701
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,479
Speaker 1: like the funny points. I guess it can be really

702
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: sad for Carlton to see her cousin trying to get

703
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: at your ex girlfriend, But I hope we see a

704
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: little more like playful rivalry when it comes to like dating,

705
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: because I think that could be a really good, like

706
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: lighthearted thing. Great points there, So you know. The other

707
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: thing that I think we can talk about here is

708
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: that we don't see Ashley very much in the first

709
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: couple of episodes, which also feels similar to kind of

710
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: like how her character was in the original, though as

711
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: she grew up, I think we got more storylines from her,

712
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: but it feels like in the fourth episode, I think

713
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: the most recent episode we did see a little bit

714
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: more storyline around her wanting to kind of meet up

715
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 1: with her friends and those kinds of things, but it

716
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: feels too soon to tell really what's going to be

717
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 1: Ashley's kind of main storyline besides trying to make friends.

718
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: And she's very sheltered and very protected right and especially

719
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: as Dad is running for d A. We know that

720
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,720
Speaker 1: probably means that she is even more sheltered now because

721
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: you know, nobody wants anything to happen to her, But

722
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: it does feel like her storyline has been minimal up

723
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,399
Speaker 1: until this point. I'm excited for the Ashley character, as

724
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: she was my favorite character in the original I don't

725
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: remember the Ashley from the original series played by Tatiana Ali,

726
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 1: really coming into her own until she had her thirteenth birthday,

727
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: And so I wonder, and when Kevin Campbell performed what

728
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: a moment. So I wonder how old this Ashley is

729
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: in this reimagining and then perhaps if that thirteen birthday

730
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: is going to be a marker for her development into

731
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: young womanhood, its and what have you? I think right now,

732
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: what's cool about the Ashley in the reimagining is that

733
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: she seems similar to the Ashley from the original. She

734
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: seems a baby activist. When she heard how Hillary was

735
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: standing up for herself, she had a point of view

736
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: and she was backing her older sister up. And so

737
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 1: I think, being that the Hillary character is more developed now,

738
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: I'm really interested to see how Ashley and Hillary our

739
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: sisters bond and how we seen them play out on

740
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: the screen. I think one of my favorite parts of

741
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: the original Fresh Prince of Bellair was Will and Ashley's relationship.

742
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: It was just really cute, and I remember being really

743
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: young and having like older male cousins. I have a

744
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: younger brother, but not an older brother. It was like,

745
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: oh my goodness, I have a big brother. He's not

746
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: a dad, so it's not like you can really reprimand me.

747
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: But he's just cool. And so I can already see

748
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 1: that the Ashley character might have a similar relationship. We

749
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: haven't seen too much of it, but from what you

750
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 1: said for you, she found what Hillary did just really cool,

751
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: and she was like, yeah, like right on. I really

752
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: did enjoy seeing that dynamic. It always warms my heart.

753
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: So I hope we get there that they have a

754
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 1: little bond. Like everyone uses the meme or the gift

755
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:57,919
Speaker 1: of them dancing in the room. Yeah, that's my favorite. Yeah,

756
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: I agree at last. I definitely love that relationship that

757
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: they had to and it definitely feels like Will and

758
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 1: Hillary are having more of that, Like I don't remember

759
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: that as much in the original, and so it feels

760
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: like in this reimagining, at least for now, the relationship

761
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: that it seemed like he had with Ashley and the

762
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 1: original is more of what he's having with Hillary right now.

763
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: You know, it's still very early. We're still in the

764
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: very first season. Hopefully they get renewed for a second

765
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: season so we can see more of this play out.

766
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: But I agree that that was something that I really

767
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: love from the original as well, So we can talk

768
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: about on Viv and Uncle Phil together as a couple,

769
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: So they give me very much President first, Lady Obama vibes,

770
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: especially on Viv, like she feels very much like she

771
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: could play Michelle Obama in like a movie at some point.

772
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: So I love like them as a couple. It feels

773
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: like they have really great chemistry. But again, like I

774
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, I am interested in hearing more of this

775
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: storyline because even with her sorority sisters, it seems like

776
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: there was conversations about like how her star or was

777
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: supposed to take off, right, Like, she's clearly this brilliant

778
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 1: artist and had shows and you know, and at some

779
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: point the decision was made for her to kind of

780
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:09,959
Speaker 1: take a step back from that. And so I don't

781
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: know if it was her becoming a mother, if as

782
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 1: a couple they decided that it would be his career

783
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 1: that would kind of be in the front, which seems

784
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: a little interesting to me given time, right, because I

785
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,720
Speaker 1: don't know how old they're supposed to be in this show,

786
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: but they're clearly not from the like the forties and fifties, right,

787
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: and so it seems like time wise, they would have

788
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: been like eighties, nineties, maybe maybe two thousand's depending on

789
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,439
Speaker 1: the ages, right, And so to me, it seems like

790
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: there were more choices that women were making in terms

791
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: of like being able to balance career and family. So

792
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: it seems interesting that that she felt the need to

793
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 1: kind of make a choice of her art versus the family.

794
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: But again, it feels like they're alluding to something that

795
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: we will find out later. I mean, if Hillary went

796
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: to college and then has been in her gap year

797
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: for two years, she's about one years old, which means

798
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 1: she was born in two thousand. I think what I'm

799
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: thinking about right now truly is when we saw flashback

800
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 1: of on Vim and Uncle Phil in the original, right,

801
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: and they were in the activists time with the black

802
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: panthers and putting up their black fists. Will we'll be

803
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: able to see how this on Viv and this Uncle

804
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: Phil developed their relationship, began their family. There was an

805
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: episode in the original where we saw them go to

806
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: the first department that they had right where they actually

807
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: began in l A And so I think it is

808
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 1: interesting to think about in the year two thousand, what

809
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: would have been the rationale or mistakes that would have

810
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 1: led to on Viv becoming a teacher at this time,

811
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,399
Speaker 1: and what would have been the russianale for that. Yeah,

812
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 1: because in the original as a professor right, like we see,

813
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 1: she still has a very active career, and thus for

814
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like anything outside of the home has

815
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: really been developed for this on Via. Clearly she's not

816
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: really actively painting anymore, and it sounds like there are

817
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,240
Speaker 1: some volunteerism in philanthropy, may be related to the sorority

818
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: and other things in the community, but it doesn't seem

819
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: like she has like some nine to five or like

820
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: some career, so to speak, like a professor, like the

821
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: original on Viv Deal. So I think that she was

822
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 1: teaching art. Oh did was she was? She? Yeah? But right?

823
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 1: But to your point, it does seem like the original

824
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: Aunt Viv was very esteemed. It was like, oh, no,

825
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: she's a professor, don't mess with her. Like this one,

826
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: it does seem like she's and not that it's a

827
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: bad thing, just a bit more domestic and has like

828
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: traded her career for her family. I do agree that

829
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: it does just feel a bit dated, considering where we

830
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: are and considering like the age of their children. So

831
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 1: I am curious to see, like why that is, because

832
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: you can already tell there's a story behind it just

833
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 1: by the way she looks at the art, how people

834
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: mention it, so I know we're gonna get it. I'm

835
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: just curious to the why. As you were talking, it

836
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 1: reminded me that in the original the passion that was

837
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:02,240
Speaker 1: put to the side for the dark seeing Viv was dancing,

838
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: and then we got that iconic moment in the studio

839
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: where she, you know, how to let the people know

840
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 1: what she was about. And so I'm sure, we'll talk

841
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: about this later, but I would love to see a

842
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: gallery show in this season for viv I would love

843
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: to see that. I think that that would be fantastic.

844
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 1: M m. Well, we already see them clearing a space

845
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: for her new like painting, right, so it's clear that

846
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 1: is in the storyline to kind of bubble love her

847
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: doing more paintings. That what will be interesting to see

848
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: how much of that we see, at least in this

849
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,240
Speaker 1: first season. So the other thing that I couldn't quite remember,

850
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 1: but clearly we have a fresh prince of ballet historian

851
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 1: with us on the call, so to me in the

852
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: like intro meeting between Uncle Phil and Will, like, some

853
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: of those first scenes with him in this reimagining felt

854
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: more tense than I think I remember the original feeling, right,

855
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: So again, you know they already have three chull dream

856
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: so I would imagine the decision to bring another sixteen

857
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 1: seventeen year old, however old Will it is, is not

858
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: an easy one, but it feels like there was a

859
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 1: little bit more attention around the decision for him to

860
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: come to bel Air than I remember from the original.

861
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: Do y'all have any rememberings? Event I agree, I think

862
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: the most tension we got was Carlton and I think, yeah,

863
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: Uncle Phil he was always stern, but this Uncle Phil

864
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: was grudgful. I'm like, why you agreed to Indians gonna

865
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: act like this from the jump, like not even be welcoming.

866
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 1: And I do see like the stress of the campaign

867
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: adding to that because I do remember and free to

868
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,280
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong. The original Uncle Phil also

869
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 1: had like a campaign, but it was like later in

870
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: the series, so it wasn't Will coming up and being

871
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 1: Will during the campaign. So I get it. In the

872
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: first like two episodes, I was like, can you put

873
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: him some slack, like you know what he's been through, Like, yeah,

874
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: you can be hard, like this isn't what should be

875
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: going on, you know. I wanted him to give him

876
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: more grace because like the environment where he's from, that

877
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: is a very realistic thing to happen really in a

878
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: lot of environments, and he's what is he supposed to

879
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: be like sixteen seventeen, So yeah, I'm like, this man

880
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 1: is way too grudgeful for me. We're seeing a better

881
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: side of him get teased out. But I do feel like, well,

882
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 1: it was also a straight comedy from the jump, and

883
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: the original Uncle Phil and Will. They were cool. It

884
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: wasn't like, oh, you're here and I don't want you

885
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:33,240
Speaker 1: to be here. That was just Carlton so different. Yeah,

886
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: in the first episode in the original that I remember,

887
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: Carlton and Will really go back and forth about immediately

888
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: what is blackness? Who is black? Who is not black?

889
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: This Uncle Phil the thing that was most jarring to

890
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 1: me as someone who wroughts the original and the reimagining.

891
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: We see on Vivian and Uncle Phil talking about sending

892
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: Will back and that's not something that I remember from

893
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 1: the original at all, and it was I think, maybe

894
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: what in the first or the second episode, They're like,

895
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: he can't come correct, we have send him back. And

896
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: I think that's where a lot of the tension and

897
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: the drama from Uncle Phil really came for me, because

898
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 1: everything else had been not so direct, more passive, We're

899
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: not sure how he really feels about him. And then

900
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: but when he finally opened his mouth, he's like, we

901
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: could send this young man back home. And that was

902
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 1: tough to to see because that's harsh, right, especially given

903
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: the circumstances, right, like, you know what you would be

904
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 1: sending him back to, So I agree, that felt very

905
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: harsh and like, you know, again a departure from the original,

906
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: But again they have taken some liberties because this is

907
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: a reimagining, right, so it didn't have to be a

908
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 1: carbon copy. I just thought that that was interesting that

909
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: they showed more of him not necessarily being as welcoming

910
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: as I may be kind of remembered from the original.

911
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: More from my conversation about bell Air after the break.

912
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: So the other thing that I thought was really interesting

913
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: with Uncle Phil's care her was this scene where we

914
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: see him at the picnic right with his fraternity brothers.

915
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,399
Speaker 1: So one, I know, this is not a show that

916
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: like maybe as many people are watching as Insecure, but

917
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 1: I definitely did not see the uproar on the timeline

918
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 1: around the Alpha's and their letters and all kinds of

919
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: stuff being shown as when the a k a s

920
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: Or the letters were on Tiffany in Insecure. So I

921
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: don't know if they were more involved, because this was extensive,

922
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: right like in Insecure was almost like a flash. This

923
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: was like very clearly a whole production. So my guess

924
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: is that like the Alpha's were super involved, So that

925
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,240
Speaker 1: was my one thought. But that conversation or that line

926
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: around that thinking similar to when he was on the

927
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: radio interview with Big Boy around like how steeped into

928
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: the community? Has Uncle Phil been really since undergrad? It

929
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: seems like fraternity brothers are saying they haven't seen him.

930
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: It sounds like somebody had fallen on tough times and

931
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: like they didn't know where Uncle Phil was or he

932
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 1: didn't even know this has happened. And so it seems

933
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: like there's this undercurrent of like, have you still been

934
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: really connected to blackness maybe and to your community in

935
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:15,280
Speaker 1: the ways that are meaningful to people on the Alpha tips.

936
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: My partner is an Alpha, and I turned to him

937
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 1: and said, this is what job doing. I don't know

938
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 1: if what Uncle Phil performed was an official Alpha sanctioned

939
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: or certified piece of choreography. So I'm not sure if

940
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: that was the sample of approval for them. But my

941
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: partner seemed very happy, and he's one person, obviously, but

942
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: he seemed very happy to get the representation. And then

943
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: to Uncle Phil's defense, I thought that what he said

944
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: in response to the reverence, he said, do you want

945
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: me to apologize for making a life for my family

946
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: or pursuing success? And I thought that was a really

947
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: great piece of language to try to identify are we

948
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,439
Speaker 1: punishing people for the pursuit of success? And if that's

949
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: not the case, how do we want to encourage people

950
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,760
Speaker 1: to show up for our communities? Because when Uncle Phil arrived,

951
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 1: he just got the cold shouldered. You know, the reverend

952
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 1: wasn't happy to see him, really like that. And it

953
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like in the times when maybe Uncle Phil

954
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: was taking the time to do what he needed, that

955
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 1: anybody was reaching out to him either to check in

956
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: on him, right, And we know that sometimes oh yeah,

957
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: they're good, they got money, they have a wife, they

958
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: have kids, they're fine. We don't need to check in

959
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: on them. So I just wonder sometimes how do we

960
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: have those conversations were like, Hey, I needed you to

961
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: show up for me. I needed you to show up

962
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: for this community in this way. Can you do that?

963
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: I don't feel like Uncle Phil has been giving the

964
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: opportunity to turn things down. It's more so people are

965
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: expecting him to help everyone at the same time, and

966
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: it's like, that's actually not how time and space works.

967
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 1: I thought that was definitely very interesting to see his

968
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: relationship with his fraternity brothers and for them to question

969
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: in his commitment to the community. And I think that's

970
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: something I imagine comes up a lot as you, you know,

971
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: move to like a different socio economic status, how do

972
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: you stay connected with not necessarily the people who helped

973
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: you get there, but the people who are your like

974
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:21,919
Speaker 1: foundation and who you know you built memories with, or

975
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: who you just network with, because I mean that's what

976
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: a fraternity and sorority is to like a networking opportunity,

977
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: And so I could understand his fraternity brothers kind of

978
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 1: feeling used, like we haven't seen you in ten years,

979
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: and now that you're running for something here you are

980
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: popping up. You could have been helping out with X

981
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: y Z, but you haven't. But at the same time,

982
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:46,399
Speaker 1: it's like sometimes as people transition throughout life and whether

983
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 1: that means, you know, getting a new job, making more money,

984
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: moving somewhere, especially if it's a good thing, people are like, oh,

985
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: they don't need us, or like, oh they're doing that

986
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: thing over there. They don't check in like free to say.

987
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: So I'm interested to see like how that's gonna play out,

988
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: especially in terms of his campaign and people kind of

989
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: continuing question you live in Beverly Hills, but now you

990
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: want our support, but we don't know you, so I

991
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: think it will be interesting, yea. And of course you know,

992
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 1: it's a TV show. It's on NBC Peacock, so of

993
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: course there's gonna be this after school resolution field. But

994
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: I did think it was very funny, and I don't

995
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 1: think that this is how this would happen in real life.

996
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 1: It's like he does one step and now y'all welcome

997
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:34,800
Speaker 1: him back into the phone. Right, That's not that's not

998
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: how that's gonna happen because he, you know, knew us

999
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: a chance, you know. But of course, again it's it's

1000
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: a TV show, so there needed to be some resolution.

1001
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 1: But to your earlier point for you to going back

1002
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: to Carlton, you know, we see all this happened with

1003
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: him trying to get the internship, and so I hadn't

1004
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: thought about that, but I wonder what happened there. One

1005
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,919
Speaker 1: we know that the guy that he talked to wasn't

1006
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 1: actually the chair anymore, and so he was gonna have

1007
00:52:57,960 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: to put him in touch with other people. But I

1008
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: also wonder if his mind changed because Will was such

1009
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 1: a star at the Step show part of it, right,

1010
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: so it almost felt like Will was instrumental, and he

1011
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: was and like getting the crowd to turn in favor

1012
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: of Uncle Field. And so you know, it'll be interesting

1013
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 1: to see what happens, like why he wasn't any longer

1014
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 1: interested in that internship. Was it just because he didn't

1015
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: want to have to talk to a new person, or

1016
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: was he in his feelings about the way Will showed

1017
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: up at a step show. Well, I think it was

1018
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 1: definitely once again this feeling of being replaced and that

1019
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: Will being the star and infringing onto his life. But

1020
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: also more specifically the older gentleman that he was playing

1021
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: chess with. He said that the person who is now

1022
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: head of the organization that Carlton wanted to intern with

1023
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: was the man in the yellow shirts who asked them

1024
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 1: to get the chairs out, and and Carlton had said

1025
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: some flick stuff to him and he was like, I

1026
00:53:56,200 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 1: probably should just walk away. So good point. I forgot

1027
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 1: about that, Yeah, because he did not actually help. So

1028
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,280
Speaker 1: it's like, I can't give you no good recommendation because

1029
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 1: you wouldn't even help unltdle the chairs. Very good point,

1030
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 1: Very good point there. So it'll be interesting to see

1031
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 1: how all of that continues to unfold. So let us

1032
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:22,399
Speaker 1: maybe talk about Jeffrey before we talk about Will, So

1033
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: we will just start with what everybody is thinking is

1034
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 1: this is a gorgeous character. What I'm saying, if we

1035
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: get a chance to meet the cast and do an

1036
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,919
Speaker 1: interview in real person, it could be a problem. Yeah,

1037
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 1: So gorgeous casting here, clearly, and I love like they

1038
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,879
Speaker 1: have reimagined this character in some ways that I think

1039
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 1: are very cool and fresh and like add this dimension.

1040
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:49,839
Speaker 1: So he's clearly much younger than the original Jeffrey. And

1041
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 1: what is his title, Like the house manager I think

1042
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: is his title now? So he is who meets Will

1043
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: fresh off of his drop off from Jazz and clearly

1044
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 1: is kind of like running things, but also has this

1045
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 1: like really interesting relationship with Uncle Phil that definitely feels

1046
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: like it is beyond house manager. So I'm very interested

1047
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 1: in seeing, you know, especially after what we saw in

1048
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,359
Speaker 1: episode four of the show right about what's happening and

1049
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: how he has connects to Philly, and you know, Will says,

1050
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: I'm struggling because this guy has now found out that

1051
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 1: I'm in California, and Jeffrey is like, I'll take care

1052
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,359
Speaker 1: of it, right, And so I really want to hear

1053
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 1: what is the backstory for Jeffrey and more about his

1054
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 1: relationship with Uncle Phil. I love how they've really added

1055
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: a cool factor to Jeffrey. When Will tried to sneak

1056
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 1: out of the house and Jeffrey leaned over Jazz's car,

1057
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: I just like, it feels like he has eyes and

1058
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,760
Speaker 1: ears on everything. And I think that's particularly cool because

1059
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 1: he's international, so it seems like he's from the UK,

1060
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: but by way of one of the islands. You can

1061
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: hear both accidents bouncing in between when he speaking, and

1062
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 1: he just exude what I feel like is international coolness,

1063
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: international suaveness. Yeah. I just I'm really I'm really into

1064
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,919
Speaker 1: his characters. I wouldn't be surprised if whatever ties Uncle

1065
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 1: Phil has to perhaps the underworld or the other side

1066
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: of of the coin, that Jeffrey is connected to that

1067
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 1: because the way that they were playing pools and drinking

1068
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,359
Speaker 1: their dark liquors, I'm like, there's something here they really

1069
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 1: feel like a true partnership, and I think that we

1070
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 1: saw that sometimes in the original, For example, when Jeffrey

1071
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:37,439
Speaker 1: and Uncle Phil and the original went to go play

1072
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 1: pool and get Will out of trouble at the pool

1073
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: Halls that episode so like, to me, that was one

1074
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: of my favorite Jeffrey episodes because Jeffrey is hella cool

1075
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 1: and so now they're really highlighting that and it's just

1076
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: very wonderful. It's very exciting. I agree with everything you're saying, Freda.

1077
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: I do love how they added that he's from like

1078
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: an island. I think that was like really cool. I

1079
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: always thought the original Jeffrey was cool and was rooting

1080
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: for Will. He had to have that like British shade,

1081
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: like they had to have it in there, and so

1082
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: it's nice to see him be even cooler and less

1083
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: like stricken proper and more like I'm gonna just tell

1084
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 1: you about yourself on the side and we're gonna leave

1085
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: it at that, but I'm gonna have your back always. Overall,

1086
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: I think it's a lot of people being hard on

1087
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 1: the Will character. So it's nice to see him like

1088
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: supporting him and just trying to make sure he's good.

1089
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 1: I guess that's obviously the job of the house manager,

1090
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: but it goes beyond just like do you need your

1091
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 1: bags picked up or do you need water, coffee or whatever,

1092
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: And so I'm very curious to see what is really

1093
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 1: his relationship with Uncle Phil, Like did they go through

1094
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 1: some ish Like I need to see on that immediately, immediately,

1095
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 1: send us like a copy of the script please, screener, screener.

1096
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: My question though, is, at least to me again, Jeffrey

1097
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 1: seems like he has a hold of the house, he

1098
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: knows what's going on. At the same time, does he

1099
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: really not know that Carlton has a drug problem? Now

1100
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: that is a good point. I mean, given what we've seen,

1101
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 1: how he nothing gets past him, right, because he clearly

1102
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 1: knew where Ashley was, even though she was supposed to

1103
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: be with Hilary at the record store, right, So it

1104
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: would be kind of shocking if he didn't know. And

1105
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 1: so I wonder if maybe it's just something that we

1106
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: have not seen yet, like how he's trying to intervene,

1107
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 1: or maybe he's trying to like do something behind the

1108
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 1: scenes without getting the parents involved, although that doesn't seem

1109
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 1: like something you would not tell the parents. You're right,

1110
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 1: you bring up a really good point for you to

1111
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 1: like if he knows all this stuff, like how could

1112
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 1: Carlton really be like using all these drugs under the

1113
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: roof without him knowing? Good point something to think about.

1114
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 1: So again, I hadn't even thought about the callback to

1115
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: the pool scene right in the original. So they're all

1116
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 1: these little easter because I think is what people call

1117
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: them right about the original, that it makes sense in

1118
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 1: the reimagining, but it is a nice call back to

1119
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 1: those who did watch the original, who clearly watching as

1120
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: much as you freed to that you pick up on

1121
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: all of those things. So I just think that it's

1122
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 1: so cool that they make those kinds of tie ins.

1123
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 1: That makes sense, but it's also just a very nice

1124
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:22,479
Speaker 1: touch for people who really love the original. The other

1125
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: thing that I love is the incorporation of Jazz, So

1126
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 1: I love that they also have some of that same like, all,

1127
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen between him and Hillary, because we know

1128
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: that he had a huge crush on Hillary in the original,

1129
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 1: and so I love that it feels like more of

1130
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 1: a mutual thing is popping off between them, at least

1131
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: initially in this reimagining. And I love the Jazz character.

1132
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 1: I love that he's kind of like Will's lifeline and

1133
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: like out from the family and kind of keeps him

1134
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 1: connected to the cooler parts of bel Air, I guess.

1135
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 1: So I really like how they're using that character and

1136
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 1: making him a part of the scenes. I was always

1137
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 1: rooting for Jazz and Hillary in the original I immolated

1138
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 1: about the idea about Hillary and Jazz if that were

1139
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 1: to happened, I think that that would be really smooth,

1140
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 1: if you know, if if they're complimentary to each other. Yes,

1141
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if I was playing on my phone.

1142
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 1: How did Will end up getting a ride from Jazz

1143
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 1: in the first place? Dr Joy, I have this exact

1144
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 1: same question. I don't know what I was doing. I

1145
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: don't know if I was in the kitchen at least.

1146
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 1: Please tell with you now, please. I don't know either.

1147
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 1: I remember watching it and I was like, did he

1148
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 1: just see another car? Like I was so confused. I mean, well, well,

1149
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: Jazz did have a card, and so I wonder if

1150
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 1: he was kind of like at the airport. It's like

1151
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 1: a taxi kind of thing in saw Will then saying oh,

1152
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 1: I can take you, because he did give him a

1153
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 1: card that saying something like personal transportation or something, right,

1154
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: because clearly Jeffrey and the family had made other plans

1155
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 1: for his ride and then he shows up with Jazz.

1156
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 1: So I wonder if he was just kind of waiting

1157
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 1: and Saw Will and say it, Oh, I can take

1158
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:04,479
Speaker 1: you Okay, So we didn't miss anything. They just never

1159
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 1: made that clear as a way to introduce Jazz, or

1160
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 1: we all consistently missed it. We were all on our

1161
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: phones at the exact same time, trying to trying to

1162
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 1: tweet and watch at the same time. So let us

1163
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: get into the main character. There's so many wonderful characters.

1164
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 1: It feels like you don't even have to talk all

1165
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 1: about Will, which I think is also cool, but definitely

1166
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 1: this reimagining of Will, I think there are some real

1167
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 1: close ties to the original. What we also see, like

1168
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 1: this fresh twist with who he is, just so many

1169
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 1: things it seems like he will be dealing with as

1170
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 1: this season unfold. So again we've already talked about it

1171
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 1: was less than twenty four hours probably by the time

1172
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 1: he had this fight, and he's on a plane to California,

1173
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 1: and so I'm imagining there's some grief related to like

1174
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 1: having to let go and leave his old life in

1175
01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 1: such a quick place he didn't even have a chance

1176
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 1: to think of. Then we find out that his friend

1177
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 1: Trade has been shot after he left, and so there's

1178
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 1: some guilt. It feels like he's dealing with, you know,

1179
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 1: because he feels like they're out to give me basically,

1180
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 1: and Portray is the one who's left trying to fit

1181
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 1: into this new environment that feels very foreign to him.

1182
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 1: It feels like basketball was clearly his thing and now

1183
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 1: he has to like try out for the team and

1184
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 1: you know, like the place that really gave him solace

1185
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 1: and allowed him to shine. It feels like what's going

1186
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: to be a bit of a difficult thing for him.

1187
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 1: But he was able to humble himself enough to try

1188
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 1: out and clearly on the team. And so I think

1189
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 1: that there will be a lot of like transitions and

1190
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 1: transitions that we've already seen with his character as the

1191
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 1: season continues to unfold. So can I call out another

1192
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 1: easter egg? Yeah? The easter egg is that Alan Payne

1193
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 1: played a character in The Fresh Prince where he was

1194
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 1: a basketball player competing in the bell Air Academy League

1195
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 1: and he's the only other black player in the league,

1196
01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:00,040
Speaker 1: and Will and him are like competing, I think for

1197
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 1: a top tier spot to be recruited for a university,

1198
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 1: and Alan Paine's character has a child and Will ends

1199
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 1: up letting and putting up air quotes letting Alan Paine's

1200
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 1: character wins because he's like, you know what, I'm going

1201
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 1: to toss the game because I want this guy to

1202
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 1: go and have a future in college and play and

1203
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 1: I'll be Okay. I'm pretty sure the black character that

1204
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 1: Will speaks to during the game in the reimagining where

1205
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 1: he said, you really from Hollywood? Whatever you say? He said,

1206
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 1: you really from whatever? His jersey says, and then the

1207
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 1: black guy and the reimagining says, are you really from Bellaire?

1208
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 1: Will laugh and then he like takes off and does

1209
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 1: a layup. I'm pretty sure that's the same character. Do

1210
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 1: you think that that is the Lands character or the

1211
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 1: sun I think that's the Lands character. Okay, so that character,

1212
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 1: that character and the reimagining he's from Malibu. The other

1213
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 1: character is from Malibu, and I think that's him. Look

1214
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 1: at it. See not many we recamp conversations are going

1215
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 1: to have the benefit of a history, and like we do.

1216
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 1: I was like, I didn't know all that. I am

1217
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 1: reminded now that you say it, but I definitely did

1218
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 1: not really in real time. So what are your thoughts

1219
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 1: about this reimagining a lease of Will? First of all,

1220
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 1: I love love just the actor, and like the energy

1221
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 1: he brings. I think the casting was spot on. He

1222
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 1: does have that same energy that Will Smith had playing

1223
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 1: well in the original, just very friendly. He's tall, so

1224
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:39,360
Speaker 1: I'm like the casting is perfect, the acting is really good.

1225
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 1: I am definitely excited to see how he starts to

1226
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 1: acclimate to the school, just because I feel like, to

1227
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 1: a degree, in the original, Carlton was a little more

1228
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 1: on his side, a little more open to like showing

1229
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 1: him things. Yeah, they had attention, But this Carlton, as

1230
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 1: we said, he is the villain. He's praying on Will's downfall.

1231
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 1: So I'm interested to see how he's gonna because I'm

1232
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 1: predicting that he'll eventually be like popular and have a

1233
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 1: lot of friends, but how that's gonna play out. I

1234
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 1: think something that is really real and almost really heartbreaking,

1235
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 1: is like having to know that somebody's looking for you,

1236
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 1: but that you kind of left home and things are

1237
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 1: better for you now. And of course he has family

1238
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 1: and there's privilege in that situation. But I know a

1239
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 1: lot of people will resonate with that story as kids

1240
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 1: who go to college and their friends don't and they're

1241
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 1: kind of in a new environment. My brother one of

1242
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 1: his friends like was killed while he was away, like

1243
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 1: on a trip or something. I was like, wow, like

1244
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 1: this is such a real thing. Like you go on

1245
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 1: to other opportunities, whether it's just for like a weekend

1246
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 1: trip or going to college or you know, starting a

1247
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 1: new job, and you have people who are quote unquote

1248
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:55,280
Speaker 1: left at home and so kind of having to deal

1249
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 1: with that trauma and just that anxiety is like is

1250
01:05:57,720 --> 01:05:59,919
Speaker 1: my mom gonna be okay because she's a single mom.

1251
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 1: Are my friend's gonna be okay? Are the people back

1252
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 1: home gonna forget about me? Are they gonna think I'm

1253
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 1: a sellout? And so I definitely think it's gonna be

1254
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 1: interesting to see like will grapple with that, especially as

1255
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:14,240
Speaker 1: he you can already tell he kind of views Carlton

1256
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 1: as like a sellout and Uncle Phil as like Okay,

1257
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 1: they're removed from what's really going on. It's like, well,

1258
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 1: now you're in that position, so how are you going

1259
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 1: to handle that? So I think it's gonna be interesting

1260
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 1: and what I think we also see more of the tension,

1261
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 1: which is part of the reimagining of back Home in

1262
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 1: bel Air. Before we didn't really see any of Philadelphia

1263
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 1: or what he you know, the original Will was going

1264
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 1: through like yeah, his father came, and yeah his mom

1265
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 1: came and some other family, but that's really all we knew.

1266
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 1: That's such a good point. You're right at least, like

1267
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:50,160
Speaker 1: we didn't really see very much about like the aftermath

1268
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 1: of what happened after he lived in Philadelphia. So it'll

1269
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:56,200
Speaker 1: be interesting to see if mom comes to visit, because

1270
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:58,160
Speaker 1: we know that that was like a key part, like

1271
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 1: she would have pretty frequent, i would say, visits in

1272
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 1: the original. So I'm looking forward to the first visit.

1273
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 1: And it seems like there's something between the sisters. And again,

1274
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 1: I don't remember much about the original, but it definitely

1275
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 1: didn't seem like there was tension, and in this one

1276
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 1: there's feeling like there is some tension now. Granted, the

1277
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 1: call that we see between Will's mom and Carlson's mom

1278
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 1: is around Carlton having pushed her child in the in

1279
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 1: the pool, so of course that's gonna be a tense conversation,

1280
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 1: but it also feels like maybe something else is there, right,

1281
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:31,959
Speaker 1: And so again I'm just interested to see if maybe

1282
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 1: she does a visit. When there's some conversation between viv

1283
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 1: and Will's mom. The other thing that I did not

1284
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 1: initially pick up on, but that I am interested to

1285
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 1: see how plays out is like the flashbacks that Will

1286
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 1: is having related to the incident with the police, and

1287
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 1: I think that that is very timely and it seems

1288
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 1: like it's being very well done. So I'm always on

1289
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 1: the lookout of like is the therapist gonna be involved

1290
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 1: or they're gonna have him see a therapist, you know,

1291
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 1: because the flashbacks he's having are consistent with what we

1292
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 1: might see with like a PTSD diagnosis. Right, So this

1293
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 1: idea that something traumatic has happened to you or someone

1294
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 1: else in your life, and then you have these flashbacks

1295
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 1: of the scene or the experiences he has whenever he

1296
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 1: sees like somebody in uniform or a person in authority

1297
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 1: very much feel like what we might see with a

1298
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 1: PTSD diagnosis. And now, of course it's very early to tell,

1299
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:26,639
Speaker 1: and you know, he doesn't have multiple symptoms at least

1300
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:28,800
Speaker 1: at this point that we've seen, but I think it

1301
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 1: will be interesting to see, like how they continue to

1302
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 1: play out that storyline, and like who is he going

1303
01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 1: to tell? When is an adult going to know that

1304
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 1: he's experiencing this Similar to the drug use, right. It

1305
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:42,720
Speaker 1: definitely feels like they are these mental health storylines that

1306
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:45,559
Speaker 1: are bubbling under the surface, and so it'll be interesting

1307
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:48,559
Speaker 1: to see, like when an adult gets involved. To your point,

1308
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:51,920
Speaker 1: it does seem like he tried to bring it up

1309
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 1: to Uncle Phil when he was playing basketball and he

1310
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:58,240
Speaker 1: was like, you ever been like detained or anything. He

1311
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:00,720
Speaker 1: was like no, and I think he's saying yeah. He

1312
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 1: did say like, this is the reason I've been off

1313
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 1: my game, and so hopefully they'll push that like a

1314
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:08,719
Speaker 1: little deeper, because it definitely is the reason. It definitely

1315
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 1: just you kind of see him freeze up when he

1316
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:13,840
Speaker 1: ran away from the guard. He just doesn't know how

1317
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:17,760
Speaker 1: to handle that situation because before it was just not

1318
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:19,800
Speaker 1: a good situation. They were slamming on the ground. He

1319
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 1: was like, my arm, my arm. So that will definitely

1320
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 1: be interesting to see. And I wonder if this is

1321
01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:27,240
Speaker 1: will be a situation where we tease and follow up

1322
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 1: from Lisa, because we also see the other incident where

1323
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:32,120
Speaker 1: he has one of these flashbacks is when he runs

1324
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:35,800
Speaker 1: into Lisa's dad in the restroom and we find out

1325
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:37,519
Speaker 1: that he is like the chief of police for l A.

1326
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:39,559
Speaker 1: P D. Right, And so then he kind of like,

1327
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 1: has this you know, altercation with Lisa, like why didn't

1328
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 1: you tell me your dad was a cop kind of thing,

1329
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 1: and she's like, well, it didn't even come up, you know.

1330
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:48,599
Speaker 1: So I think that there will probably be some follow

1331
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 1: up conversation between them, and maybe he will share with

1332
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 1: her what's happening. But I definitely would love to see

1333
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:57,280
Speaker 1: talking to someone about that because definitely we see how

1334
01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 1: it's playing out right and that he's having trouble folk seeing,

1335
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:02,559
Speaker 1: you know, and he's having the flashback. So I would

1336
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 1: just love to see how that plays out as the

1337
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:07,599
Speaker 1: season continues. I think it's really powerful that the show

1338
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 1: is showing us visually what it's like to have to slashbacks,

1339
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:15,240
Speaker 1: what they look like, and how they can manifest in

1340
01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 1: real life, because there are things that I wouldn't even

1341
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:22,800
Speaker 1: have thought about as someone who's never been arrested. When

1342
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:25,800
Speaker 1: I watched the flashbacks Will was having in the reimagining.

1343
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 1: I asked someone I love who I know has been

1344
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:31,599
Speaker 1: involved in the past with the police, and I said,

1345
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 1: have you ever experienced like flashback where you're just doing

1346
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:37,640
Speaker 1: something and then you feel like you're transported back to

1347
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:40,439
Speaker 1: that experience with the police, and they told me yes,

1348
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 1: and I had no idea. Yeah, you're right. I always

1349
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:45,920
Speaker 1: think it's helpful, especially when it's well done, right, when

1350
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 1: you can see something and then you have language for

1351
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 1: this thing that you didn't even know existed, you know.

1352
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 1: And I think for so long conversations around like PTSD,

1353
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 1: we're only associated with like war, right, and we know

1354
01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:02,439
Speaker 1: that people have very traumatic aparances, especially black people dealing

1355
01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 1: with the police. And so I think looking at that

1356
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:08,200
Speaker 1: kind of framework, and especially given what we know Will

1357
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:11,920
Speaker 1: may have seen interacting with the police with other friends

1358
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 1: or other people in Philadelphia, I think that that probably

1359
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 1: is adding to the stress he's experiencing related to these

1360
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 1: flashbacks as well. Right, and then he already knows that

1361
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 1: he is the unfamiliar black kid in the school, and

1362
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 1: so even before he got to school, you know, there

1363
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:33,600
Speaker 1: was a fight video, so they already have these preconceived

1364
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 1: notions of him. And so I think anyone in that situation,

1365
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:40,760
Speaker 1: you're aware of that, Yeah, people view me like this,

1366
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:42,559
Speaker 1: So I do have to keep my guard up to

1367
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 1: a degree. And so I think that's like another like

1368
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:48,680
Speaker 1: added element of some of the stress he's experiencing. Are

1369
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:52,320
Speaker 1: there any resources you would share for people who think

1370
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:56,200
Speaker 1: that they may be experiencing symptoms of PTSD or having

1371
01:11:56,200 --> 01:12:00,479
Speaker 1: those kinds of intense flashbacks. Dr Jordan, We've had a

1372
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 1: couple of really good conversations here on the podcast. So

1373
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 1: in Session one on four with Jason Phillips, we talked

1374
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:10,800
Speaker 1: about prolonged Exposure therapy, which is one of the treatments

1375
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:13,719
Speaker 1: that is often used to help people who are struggling

1376
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 1: with PTSD, so that would be a good episode to

1377
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:19,439
Speaker 1: check out, as well as session we talked about What

1378
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:22,240
Speaker 1: in the World Is e M d R with Kelly Davis.

1379
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:24,599
Speaker 1: E M d R is another treatment that is often

1380
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:27,559
Speaker 1: used to help people with symptoms of PTSD. So both

1381
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:29,720
Speaker 1: of those would be great episodes to check out, and

1382
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:32,760
Speaker 1: they had lots of great resources they shared in those episodes.

1383
01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:36,880
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, I think Will's mom shared

1384
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 1: a really beautiful affirmation in the episode where Will called

1385
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:47,840
Speaker 1: his mom and said he's like complaining about the situation,

1386
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:50,800
Speaker 1: and then his mom said, think about where you were

1387
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 1: yesterday and look at where you are now. And I

1388
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 1: when I heard it, I wrote it down because I

1389
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 1: do think that it's an important affirmation to have in

1390
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:02,840
Speaker 1: your back pocket, think about where you have been and

1391
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 1: then when you are feeling low, look at your surroundings

1392
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:09,599
Speaker 1: of what you've been able to accomplish or been gifted

1393
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:12,960
Speaker 1: or been able to access in your life at times

1394
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 1: when you were feeling overwhelmed, sad, what have you? I

1395
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:17,639
Speaker 1: think it's just I thought it was just a really

1396
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:23,640
Speaker 1: short but very deep thing to add to your wellness package.

1397
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:25,760
Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah, I love that, and that's why

1398
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:27,559
Speaker 1: I'm also hoping we get to see more of her

1399
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:30,880
Speaker 1: because I really love her interactions with Will. So we've

1400
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 1: already gotten into some of this, But what are your

1401
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:36,400
Speaker 1: predictions for what we might see? So you know, they

1402
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 1: gave us the first three episodes on Super Bowl Sunday,

1403
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 1: and from here on out they are weekly releases on Thursdays,

1404
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:45,519
Speaker 1: and so you know there are ten episodes that we're

1405
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:47,600
Speaker 1: gonna get in this first season and again hopefully we

1406
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 1: get renewed for a second season. But what are your

1407
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 1: thoughts about what you might see or hope to see

1408
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:56,840
Speaker 1: as we continue with this first season? Freedom mentioned this before.

1409
01:13:56,920 --> 01:14:01,879
Speaker 1: I definitely want to see more about Viv and her

1410
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:06,640
Speaker 1: past life, hopefully present life as an artist. Hopefully we

1411
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:11,439
Speaker 1: can see more Will and Ashley interactions. I'm just curious

1412
01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:13,640
Speaker 1: as to where Hillary's character is going to go and

1413
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:16,520
Speaker 1: if they're actually gonna give her like a real relationship

1414
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 1: with Jazz. I'm already thinking that Uncle Phil will not

1415
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 1: like that. Hopefully we get Uncle Phil's real backstory and

1416
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:28,160
Speaker 1: I think those are the things I'm the most excited about,

1417
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:32,200
Speaker 1: and then hopefully just any situation where I can have

1418
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 1: some empathy for Carlton. I think Uncle Phil and Aunt

1419
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:42,200
Speaker 1: Vivian have something to do with Will's dad. There was

1420
01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 1: something that there was something that was said about on

1421
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:49,320
Speaker 1: Vivian said we owe it to him when she was

1422
01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:54,040
Speaker 1: trying to make a case for Will staying, and when

1423
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:57,879
Speaker 1: I'm Vivian picked up the phone from Will's mom Viola

1424
01:14:58,240 --> 01:15:02,759
Speaker 1: Dr Joey, We're talking about the tension, it once again

1425
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:06,479
Speaker 1: seemed like Aunt Vivian knew that it was really she

1426
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:10,080
Speaker 1: owed it to her sister to do this. There's something

1427
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:12,920
Speaker 1: about Will's dad that seems like it's connected to Aunt

1428
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 1: Vivian and Uncle Phil. So I really would like to

1429
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:19,320
Speaker 1: flesh that out a bit more. I would love to

1430
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:24,760
Speaker 1: see whose Hillary's friends are. I think Hillary is just

1431
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 1: so fly. I want to see more of her. I

1432
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:27,680
Speaker 1: want to see her friends, I want to see what

1433
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 1: they do. I want to see her like making content

1434
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:33,160
Speaker 1: on the back. But you know, maybe that's just maybe

1435
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:36,000
Speaker 1: I should just follow Coco Jones, right, would you really

1436
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:40,120
Speaker 1: want to see is Coco Jones? I want to? And

1437
01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:46,800
Speaker 1: then I want Carlton to be exposed as a drug

1438
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 1: user so that way he can get the help that

1439
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:56,519
Speaker 1: he needs. Expectitiously, right, how soon is that going to happen?

1440
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:03,439
Speaker 1: So I agree? I also am really interested in bils

1441
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:06,599
Speaker 1: backstory and I really want to see, like if they

1442
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 1: allow her art to flourish again this season, and you know,

1443
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:12,400
Speaker 1: like you mentioned freedom, can we see a show, you know,

1444
01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 1: like what's going on there and what is the what

1445
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:17,760
Speaker 1: is the story behind how she decided to kind of

1446
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:19,720
Speaker 1: move out of her art career. I really want to

1447
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:22,600
Speaker 1: know more about that. And I'm also really interested in

1448
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 1: how they are going to follow these mental health angles.

1449
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:27,200
Speaker 1: So is there going to be a school counselor that

1450
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 1: they introduce, you know, what is the conversation around like

1451
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 1: the flashbacks that Will is having. What is going to

1452
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:35,720
Speaker 1: be the conversation around Carlton's drug use? You know, like

1453
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:37,800
Speaker 1: how are they going to really tie these mental health

1454
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 1: angles together. That is what I am really really interested

1455
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:43,920
Speaker 1: to see. I have a question for you, Dr Joy.

1456
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:46,680
Speaker 1: If they were to bring in a therapist or a

1457
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:51,479
Speaker 1: licensed professional, which actress would you cast to be either

1458
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:56,680
Speaker 1: a school counselor or like a family therapist. This is

1459
01:16:56,680 --> 01:17:00,200
Speaker 1: such a good question. I feel like Angela Bassett would

1460
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:04,160
Speaker 1: be incredible. I feel like she is like the perfect

1461
01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 1: person to like be added to this cast. Although most

1462
01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 1: of these people are relatively newer, so let me think

1463
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:15,160
Speaker 1: about like a newer person. I can't think of anybody.

1464
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:17,479
Speaker 1: My mind settled on Angelin now I'm going to blink.

1465
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:22,040
Speaker 1: I think you made the right choice. I mean, can

1466
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:27,519
Speaker 1: you go wrong with Angela? Really knows? So any final

1467
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:29,920
Speaker 1: thoughts about bel Air and when we've see you know

1468
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:32,439
Speaker 1: what we hope to see you for this season? Well,

1469
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:35,880
Speaker 1: we have six more episodes, right, so we're gonna have

1470
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:40,000
Speaker 1: a total of ten episodes. And I think it's just

1471
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:43,760
Speaker 1: incredible that this began as a short film and to

1472
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:48,200
Speaker 1: see where it is at now, I'm incredibly impressed. I

1473
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 1: saw on Rotten Tomatoes that the critics rating is six,

1474
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:55,880
Speaker 1: and I would like to heavily push back on that.

1475
01:17:56,240 --> 01:17:59,040
Speaker 1: And give my official rating that Bellair is a solid

1476
01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:03,960
Speaker 1: ninety solid ninety a minus okay, And if you haven't

1477
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:06,919
Speaker 1: watched it because you think that you love the original

1478
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:10,600
Speaker 1: so much, which is me, I would say, give it

1479
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:14,280
Speaker 1: a chance. Give it a chance. Yeah, I think most

1480
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:17,879
Speaker 1: people will be shocked by how much they actually enjoyed

1481
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:20,280
Speaker 1: once they get past the like, oh, I love the

1482
01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:22,840
Speaker 1: original because, like we've been talking about, it is not

1483
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:26,639
Speaker 1: really a reboot. It really is a reimagining of the story,

1484
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:28,840
Speaker 1: and they take it lots of different places. So I

1485
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:31,880
Speaker 1: agree with people giving it a chance. Like freed To said,

1486
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 1: I'm happy to see like it come from the mind

1487
01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:38,600
Speaker 1: of like a smaller creator and they're like, you know what,

1488
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:42,120
Speaker 1: I'm putting the work on this, and people loved it

1489
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 1: and it blew up. I'm also really happy because something

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Speaker 1: I worry about with reboots is it trying too hard

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Speaker 1: to create some of the magic that the original did.

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Speaker 1: I think bel Air kind of establishes that, like, this

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Speaker 1: is very different. We're our own thing, but we're gonna

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Speaker 1: pay a lot of nods and obviously, you know, use

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Speaker 1: the characters, but pay a lot of nods to the

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Speaker 1: original show. But do our own thing and make it

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Speaker 1: really fresh. I think fresh is like one of the

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Speaker 1: best ways to describe it. I'll leave people with this.

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Speaker 1: If you like are into high school dramas like I am,

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Speaker 1: I would categorize this a bit. This is better then

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Speaker 1: a lot of the high school dramas out there today.

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Speaker 1: I'll say that it's on the better end, so it's

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Speaker 1: a little less corny where I think some of the

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Speaker 1: storylines are more in depth, more fleshed out. They're not

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Speaker 1: touching and going on every like hot topic in the universe.

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Speaker 1: So I'll give it like a solid eighty mm. These

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Speaker 1: are some strong rankings. Yeah, So overall, we definitely encourage

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Speaker 1: you to check it out. If you haven't, you can

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Speaker 1: stream it on Peacock. I believe the first episode is

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Speaker 1: available for free, but the rest of them and there

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Speaker 1: may be some kind of trial period with Peacock. I'm

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Speaker 1: not quite sure. If there's not, then we may need

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Speaker 1: to see if we can get one for people, because

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Speaker 1: it definitely is something that that is worth your Maybe

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Speaker 1: you want to wait until there all the episodes are

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Speaker 1: there right to bend them all, but it definitely is

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Speaker 1: something I would encourage you to check out. And if

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Speaker 1: the folks at bel Air. Peacock would like to give

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Speaker 1: the Therapy for Black Girls production team and insight into

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Speaker 1: season two. Please contact us as we're invested and we'd

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Speaker 1: love to continue to support this incredible production. Love it,

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Speaker 1: love it. I'm so glad we were able to chat

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Speaker 1: about one of our new favorite shows. If you haven't already,

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Speaker 1: make sure to head on over to Peacock tv dot

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Speaker 1: com and sign up to catch up on all the

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Speaker 1: episodes of bel Air. If you're looking for a therapist

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Speaker 1: in your area, be sure to check out our therapist

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Speaker 1: directory at Therapy for Black Girls dot com slash directory.

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Speaker 1: And if you want to continue digging into this topic

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Speaker 1: or just be in community with other sisters, come on

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Speaker 1: over and join us in the sister Circle. It's our

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Speaker 1: cozy corn of the Internet design just for black women.

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Speaker 1: You can join us at community dot Therapy for Black

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Speaker 1: Girls dot com. This episode was produced by Freda Lucas

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Speaker 1: and Alice Ellis and editing was done by Dennis and Bradford.

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Speaker 1: Thank y'all so much for joining me again this week.

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Speaker 1: I look forward to continue in this conversation with you

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Speaker 1: all real soon. Take your care