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Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Ye.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, Ridiculous Historians. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for tuning in. Let's start today show with a question.

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Speaker 1: What's the what's the strangest grudge you've ever held? Or

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Speaker 1: what's the longest time you've ever held a grudge? Hi,

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Speaker 1: I'm Ben, that's our that's our super producer, Casey Pegram. Hello,

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Speaker 1: it's time, gentlemen. Whoa wait what Jonathan Strickland a k a.

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Speaker 1: The Quister. Hang on, Casey, were you were you alerted

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Speaker 1: to this? I can swear I was not in on

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Speaker 1: this bend. This is this is unprecedented. Oh man, Okay,

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Speaker 1: So honestly, I I'm even confused why I'm here. You're

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Speaker 1: usually at the at the end of the episode. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm still really struggling with daylight saving. I know it's

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Speaker 1: been a while, but like, um, yeah, So here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: I have this long standing grudge with Noel Brown. You

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Speaker 1: know you know this. Yeah, you're familiar with that, right right. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm here now and he's not. That's true. That's true.

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Speaker 1: My pal Noel is on some adventures. He'll be returning.

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Speaker 1: Uh and Jonathan Strickland or the Quister. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I never know. I'm just gonna be Jonathan. Okay, I

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Speaker 1: could give you a quister segment, but it's just you,

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Speaker 1: and you already know how that's gonna go. I'll play

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Speaker 1: roper scissors with yourself. I don't know why I said

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Speaker 1: rock pipper scissors, but you're just you're overcome with the

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Speaker 1: enormity in the situation before you, the magnitude gravity of this. Yes,

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Speaker 1: so today, Jonathan, you are not playing your award winning

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Speaker 1: recurring role as the award adjacent award adjason. It's an

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Speaker 1: honor to be nominated, and I think someone saying something

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Speaker 1: about an award it's like a nomination. But you're going

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Speaker 1: to be here as yourself. You are our guest host

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Speaker 1: today and you and I were talking about this a

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Speaker 1: little bit off air. Today's episode is about a grudge. Yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's about a grudge. It's the kind of grudge where

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Speaker 1: one person is taking it very seriously and the other

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Speaker 1: person is completely unaware that the first person even exists.

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Speaker 1: This this story is the historical equivalent if I announced

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Speaker 1: that I was in a deep personal feud with Robert

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Speaker 1: Downey Jr. Who doesn't even know I exist, and if

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Speaker 1: he did, wouldn't care. Yes, yeah, that's I think that's

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Speaker 1: an apt comparison. Speaking Robert town Jr. It also reminds

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Speaker 1: me a bit of that line in an Avengers movie

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Speaker 1: Scarlet Witch or something that's talking to Thanos this is

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Speaker 1: not a big spoiler, and it's like, you took everything

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Speaker 1: don't know who you are. No, that's that is what

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Speaker 1: entire country and a teeny tiny town in Spain. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: now I you know. You know me man. We've known

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Speaker 1: each other for a number of years now, a scary

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Speaker 1: number of years. I've always been a very much fight

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Speaker 1: the power kind of guy, and like most people, like

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Speaker 1: many people, I cheer for the underdog. This is a

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Speaker 1: this teeny tiny town, right Like it's so not only

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Speaker 1: affairs for a century. Yep, that is that is the case.

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Speaker 1: So when did this start to tell you the story?

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Speaker 1: We're going to have to introduce you to a king,

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Speaker 1: Spanish King Alfonso twelve. Yes, so Alfonso the twelve. This

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Speaker 1: appreciation for what led into this crazy feud. Alright, So,

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Speaker 1: Alfonso the twelve was son of Queen Isabella the second.

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Speaker 1: known as the one with the sad destinies. That's not,

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Speaker 1: up landing on Alfonso twelve, which is interesting to me

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Speaker 1: because after all that at or all this struggle and

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Speaker 1: great because there's so many other examples where you're like,

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Speaker 1: It just turns out to be an amusing story. And

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Speaker 1: check out this town. It's about fifty three miles from

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Speaker 1: just like, it's not even worth it. Let's just go back, oldman, drinkine. Right,

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Speaker 1: and you'd have to figure out where the town is. Right,

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Speaker 1: We did not know is that left or a right?

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Speaker 1: That do not know it's not going to show it

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Speaker 1: up on the GPS. You were leaning into this accent.

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Speaker 1: I love it. Now, case here, you are you digging

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Speaker 1: this accent? I love a good over the top accent. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's got a who's that character in Beauty and the

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Speaker 1: I can do. I remember, I remember years and years ago,

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Speaker 1: worrying about whether it's good. That's true. Yeah, no, I

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Speaker 1: I have maintained for a long time that the secret

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Speaker 1: now I've I've got to ask. I also want to

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Speaker 1: resident francophone. Uh have you ever heard of this story?

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Speaker 1: This this weird tiny town making war. No, this is

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Speaker 1: completely new to me, and I'm quite enjoying it. Does

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Speaker 1: the French response sound? Does that? Does that like track

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Speaker 1: that was another possibility. But the fact that this was

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Speaker 1: The fact that they actually did acknowledge it and go

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Speaker 1: let's close this ridiculous war that doesn't like why why

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Speaker 1: is this a driving force? Does anyone even view it

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Speaker 1: a vanne get short story. Yeah, it feels like some

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Speaker 1: people are right there. Uh, and let's ended there, Let's

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Speaker 1: let's end on a happy ending. Uh, you know, war

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Speaker 1: no longer embroiled in this brutal conflict. So glad that

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Speaker 1: a piece broke out. Yes, yes, finally right. Uh so, Jonathan,

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Speaker 1: I have to thank you for coming on the show

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Speaker 1: as yourself. Thank you, not the not the quister. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna end it, don't I didn't. I have

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Speaker 1: a segment ready to go, but I will wait for

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Speaker 1: you and Old to be together before I unleash it

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Speaker 1: upon you and the listeners. Okay, alright, deal. I feel

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Speaker 1: like i'm i'm I feel like it narrowly avoided a

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Speaker 1: dangerous situation. This is how divers must feel when something

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Speaker 1: brushes up behind them and when they see that there

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Speaker 1: was a shark. Right, So thanks for thanks for giving

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Speaker 1: me a pass on this one. This concludes today's episode,

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Speaker 1: but not our show, uh, Jonathan. As you know, we

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Speaker 1: often end with some questions for our fellow listeners here,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna suggest, um, let's see what do

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Speaker 1: we want to hear? What is one of the most

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Speaker 1: ridiculous wars that you know of? Uh? If you were

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Speaker 1: to declare war yourself as an individual, who are what

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Speaker 1: would you declare war on that's a good one. Let

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Speaker 1: don't know if we say this often. We don't say

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Speaker 1: this all the time, Jonathan, but you have your own

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Speaker 1: in our entire network, and that's Tech Stuff. Yeah, third

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Speaker 1: my friend. Yes, you can also find us on our

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Speaker 1: all for now, but seriously, do do let us know

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Speaker 1: who or what you would declare war on. I can't

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Speaker 1: wait to hear. I think we might be opening Pandora's jar,

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