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Speaker 3: Before we get too far going on discussing, uh you
Speaker 3: know versus episodes that have happened in the past.
Speaker 2: Uh, listen, is welcome our guest today.
Speaker 3: I'll say that our guest today before I even do
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Speaker 3: Team Supreme.
Speaker 2: Look at me, thank you?
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, Team supremes with us right now. This is
Speaker 3: Quest Love, Quest Love Supreme host. In case you haven't
Speaker 3: noticed by now, laya, how.
Speaker 2: Are you today?
Speaker 4: I am well, sir, thank you very well, Thank.
Speaker 2: You, no for how are you?
Speaker 5: Do?
Speaker 6: You know people don't really want to know to answer
Speaker 6: to that question. They want the quicken the past and
Speaker 6: be out so they can move to the next.
Speaker 3: So you know what, you know what I what I
Speaker 3: think the common thing is for post twenty twenty life.
Speaker 3: People are actually being honest now, you know, before it's like,
Speaker 3: what's up?
Speaker 2: Are you doing? Nothing much?
Speaker 3: Not much, just basically covered everything. People are now actually
Speaker 3: being honest about it.
Speaker 4: So I'm excited you're doing I'm exhausted.
Speaker 6: I'm exhausted as a forty something year old woman, I'm
Speaker 6: exhausted as a black person, I'm exhausted some days. Yeah,
Speaker 6: so I'm exhausted, but I'm happy to be here with
Speaker 6: you guys.
Speaker 2: Okay, shall we go into it.
Speaker 4: You can say hi to everybody else.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well I'll get back to your exhaustion. Okay, I
Speaker 3: want to acknowledge your exhaustion.
Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you, thank you as a male, and
Speaker 4: thank you.
Speaker 2: I want to acknowledge your exhausted. How are you going
Speaker 2: to Sugar Steve? How's life?
Speaker 7: I'm doing great, I feel good. I love this podcast.
Speaker 7: I love Team Supreme, I love our guests today. And
Speaker 7: the Sugar Network turned three years old this past weekend, So.
Speaker 2: That is all happy. Three years in a row. La,
Speaker 2: that's amazing.
Speaker 8: Wait three, I gotta ask Sular the Sugar the Sugar
Speaker 8: Network lasted longer than queeb.
Speaker 1: It anyway, Unpaid Bill House, Life on the Street.
Speaker 9: Uh, you know, fantastic. I've been looking forward to this
Speaker 9: all day. I wrote a song about the letters today.
Speaker 2: It was a good day. Wait, it just hit me
Speaker 2: on Sesame Street.
Speaker 3: You have to kind of recycle old ideas in terms
Speaker 3: of the new ideas, Like so every day you have
Speaker 3: a new challenge on your hand, like to to make
Speaker 3: a song about the letter.
Speaker 2: G or a mirror. That's where the genius lies. Man,
Speaker 2: Come on, what do I look like? You said?
Speaker 3: That's that's why they pay you the big get it.
Speaker 3: That's why they pay me barely enough to sustain my living.
Speaker 3: I see, I see, fine, Ticolo, how are you?
Speaker 2: I'm cool, man cool, I'm tired, but I'm good though
Speaker 2: he's exhausted to one one tired, one exhausted.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I'm still happy to be here
Speaker 8: in the midst of all the tiredness.
Speaker 1: But one.
Speaker 3: Okay, Now I can say that our guest today, if
Speaker 3: she's still there with us after that long intro, beautiful,
Speaker 3: I'm glad you're there.
Speaker 1: Our guest today is basically dedicated her life to I.
Speaker 3: Guess I could say, creating real change and especially how
Speaker 3: black people are viewed in the press and in history,
Speaker 3: not only just the present in history. She's been a
Speaker 3: political analyst on various news outlets, but you know, she's
Speaker 3: also written books about the effects of voter suppression, jerry mandering,
Speaker 3: and and how political activism has affected or lack of
Speaker 3: political activism has affected our people. Make sure you pick
Speaker 3: it up, Say it Louder is the name of the book.
Speaker 3: I myself can attest that she is an amazing host
Speaker 3: of her new Saturday MSNBC show, The Cross Connection, which
Speaker 3: I faithfully I've not dedicated myself to watch anything on
Speaker 3: Saturday morning, this faithfully black since Soul Training.
Speaker 1: That's a hell of a statement coming from Questland.
Speaker 5: It is. I'm humble by that I'm up there with
Speaker 5: Don Cornelius. Touches my heart, bless you in my life.
Speaker 3: There's Don Cornelius and now welcome to the show, Tiffany
Speaker 3: Cross to quest of Supreme.
Speaker 2: My gosh, I'm so happy.
Speaker 5: Is anyone? Is anyone going to ask me how I'm doing?
Speaker 2: Now we can get what we wanted to Just are
Speaker 2: you exhausted? How are you today?
Speaker 5: Well, first of all, seriously, I'm very happy to be here.
Speaker 5: I would just be doing this on my own on
Speaker 5: the couch by myself, So I am happy to share
Speaker 5: the screen with all you guys. Next week, y'all are
Speaker 5: going to be like, why is Tiffany on the zoom Lenk.
Speaker 5: It wasn't a weekly invite, it was just the one week.
Speaker 2: That's how we got doing. Now, if you just around
Speaker 2: you get the gig. That's how it works.
Speaker 5: Just show up, I volunteer. But I'm also feeling hopeful.
Speaker 5: I definitely relate to you, a forty seven year old
Speaker 5: black woman feeling outraged and raged all the things. So definitely.
Speaker 5: But I do have to say the vaccine has me
Speaker 5: feeling a little hopeful.
Speaker 2: That have you. God, I haven't.
Speaker 5: I haven't, but I am open to getting the vaccine.
Speaker 5: I'm looking forward to getting it.
Speaker 6: Same here, same here, all right, No, I'm gonna take
Speaker 6: this opportunity while you're giving them.
Speaker 4: I just wanted to know how y'all feel about, like.
Speaker 1: Y'all take it back or something.
Speaker 4: No yet, But talking about.
Speaker 6: Talking about the vaccine, I just had a deep conversation
Speaker 6: in group text with some DC friends who were fortunate
Speaker 6: enough to get it, and I was curious, if y'all
Speaker 6: are able to get it before you're eligible, will you
Speaker 6: let the world know or will.
Speaker 4: You just hang back?
Speaker 8: Leads into my question, I'll go, oh, I was in
Speaker 8: I probably wouldn't let the world know. I mean, so
Speaker 8: the thing this is going around here, So in North Carolina,
Speaker 8: we just got the Johnson and Johnson and the one
Speaker 8: shot joint.
Speaker 2: Yeah, supposedly supposed to. We got like eighty thousand of them.
Speaker 8: And so the thing the word I'm hearing is that
Speaker 8: and I heard this also from another one my homies
Speaker 8: just in California. They have the restrictions and you know,
Speaker 8: the age settings and all that stuff, But the healthcare professionals,
Speaker 8: the word I'm hearing is that they being relax on
Speaker 8: it because they just like, look, anybody that wants the shot,
Speaker 8: We're gonna get y'all a fucking shot.
Speaker 2: Like we don't care, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: So in terms of skipping in line, I don't think
Speaker 8: that's as much of an issue. I mean, I'm still
Speaker 8: gonna like, wait my turn because I'm fortunate enough baby
Speaker 8: from work from home, and not think people that work,
Speaker 8: you know, essential workers and stuff should get that way before.
Speaker 2: You know someone like right, that's fortunate enough.
Speaker 8: But the word I'm hearing is that the auto medical
Speaker 8: people they just like, look, man, anybody want this shit,
Speaker 8: come get.
Speaker 2: It, because we this shit too.
Speaker 5: That's good. Actually, what about the rest?
Speaker 6: What about you, Tiffany, if you if somebody knocks on
Speaker 6: your daughter tomorrow says you want when you share it
Speaker 6: with the world or feel Yeah, I think I will.
Speaker 5: Just because I do believe in public honesty, you know,
Speaker 5: like I wouldn't want to fake like I'm like the
Speaker 5: Trumps went and got that, Like I want to tell people,
Speaker 5: yeah I got it, and I think it's okay if
Speaker 5: it highlights you know, whatever slither or privilege I have.
Speaker 5: You know, I got a shot.
Speaker 4: I feel bad. I don't want to tell no mony
Speaker 4: talk about.
Speaker 5: It though, talk about it because the vaccine, and you're
Speaker 5: contributing to her immunity. Like the more people get it,
Speaker 5: the virus has no place to go. So even Sufi
Speaker 5: is like, look suck all that paperwork, get needles and arms,
Speaker 5: you know, like get people vaccinated.
Speaker 4: So I'm with it.
Speaker 5: I mean, I want to I want to do this
Speaker 5: in person with you guys, you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: Like I want to go, like, where were you drinking afterwards?
Speaker 2: You're officially joining us, Tiffany, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Serious tribute.
Speaker 3: I actually believe you will take us on that offer
Speaker 3: because you even after your show, you do these gargantuan
Speaker 3: length post show conversations and I watch them all I'm like, whoa,
Speaker 3: this shit's like seventy minutes. You talk to your drivers,
Speaker 3: all that stuff. I love that well, I was gonna
Speaker 3: ask you guys, Okay, so right now in Philadelphia, I
Speaker 3: was asked to participate in kind of like a PSA
Speaker 3: thing because everyone's getting the memo that, of course black
Speaker 3: people are just slightly a bit slow to be first
Speaker 3: in line for good reason, right, for good reason. And
Speaker 3: again like the preference is that I feel like, yes,
Speaker 3: the medical industry of what was between three hundred and
Speaker 3: let's face it, fifty years ago, it's slightly different than
Speaker 3: what we're dealing with right now. And the thing was
Speaker 3: is that I rejected, well, I rejected one because the
Speaker 3: script really didn't address the skepticism. It's more like, hey, guys,
Speaker 3: make sure you're vaccinating da da da da da. And
Speaker 3: I try to explain to them. I said, you know,
Speaker 3: there's a history behind why we're not too eager to
Speaker 3: do this first and the mistrust, you know, for you
Speaker 3: to be effective and really want to reach black people,
Speaker 3: you're going to have to address.
Speaker 2: I address that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to address why we're so slow to
Speaker 3: not be the first in line to do this. And
Speaker 3: it kind of threw them for a loop, like people
Speaker 3: are slowly learning right now. But it's it's like, what
Speaker 3: is that conversation like what, how how can one do
Speaker 3: that in a sustinct thirty second SoundBite, Like how do
Speaker 3: you address that?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 8: Oh, I was gonna say, Now I think you just
Speaker 8: addressed it, like, hey, the Tuskegee experiment, Yeah, that was
Speaker 8: fucked up, but this ain't that get vaccinated.
Speaker 6: Well, it's more than a particular experiment, people, just a
Speaker 6: skibe experiment and everything that America has done to you
Speaker 6: in the past, from the beginning, from the beginning, from
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 4: Taking your mother's wombs and doing shit like that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I know, Tiffany can articulate it better.
Speaker 5: Well, no, I honestly, you took the words out of
Speaker 5: my mouth. I mean, it was the scientific experiment on
Speaker 5: black people during enslavement. It was a Henrietta Lack story.
Speaker 5: It was even during the fifties that they would kicknap
Speaker 5: black people and do scientific experiments on them. I mean,
Speaker 5: black people just go missing. Their lives are in value.
Speaker 5: But the thing is, because I don't want to just
Speaker 5: discount what what black people feel, but I do find
Speaker 5: that when people say, oh, but what about the Tuskegee experiment,
Speaker 5: and I asked them, you tell me what you think
Speaker 5: the Tuskegee experiment is and people don't understand it right.
Speaker 5: People think that they were literally injecting black men with syphilists,
Speaker 5: and I have to explain to them, no, that's not
Speaker 5: the case.
Speaker 4: So what there's vaccine?
Speaker 5: Right? Exactly what does thataccine? It's like people understandably are distrustful,
Speaker 5: but it's like I know some of y'all out there
Speaker 5: and bought some pre rolls. You don't really know what's.
Speaker 6: In that, but you're still hold on Not Tiffany, we
Speaker 6: do know what's in it because they tell you exactly
Speaker 6: what are the ingredients and how much TSC TC.
Speaker 5: The vaccine tells you. But the vaccine you can have
Speaker 5: what specifically is in the vaccine, like.
Speaker 4: You go and eat you know, beyond burd.
Speaker 5: Right exactly, like you if you trust those things, like
Speaker 5: get the vaccine. And then you're asking adults to get vaccinated.
Speaker 5: So it's like when we got vaccinated when we were kids.
Speaker 5: You just don't remember like now as an adult, like
Speaker 5: go get that needle in your arm, like every be
Speaker 5: responsible for the next person's health.
Speaker 3: So, to be honest with you, I'm also hearing more
Speaker 3: from you know, the amount of unfollowing that I've been doing.
Speaker 2: To hotep Twitter.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it because I mean, I mean that's
Speaker 3: more like, see, this is how they get the chip
Speaker 3: in your arm.
Speaker 8: And you know there's people still response Irresponse's working with
Speaker 8: its working.
Speaker 2: With conspiracy theory things. So like the chip is in
Speaker 2: your own the chip is in your fucking pocket. It's
Speaker 2: called your cell phone. Exactly. We done being lost that
Speaker 2: war bro, It's over.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're not off the grid at all.
Speaker 7: It's not just black people who are afraid of the vaccine.
Speaker 7: Was not making a joke, Steve No. I mean I'm gonna,
Speaker 7: I'm gonna get it and everything. But I know I
Speaker 7: know a whole slew of white people who are afraid
Speaker 7: of the vaccine for other reasons, you know, obviously not
Speaker 7: let us reasons. Just you know, the all the conspiracy
Speaker 7: anti vaccine community.
Speaker 2: I forgot forgot shipping me in my arm. They're they're
Speaker 2: going to be able to track me.
Speaker 7: They're gonna it's the aliens whatever, like you know, I mean,
Speaker 7: it's not there's there's a as.
Speaker 2: What could be an auto Jenny McCarthy ship.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, the anti batter thing, and like you know,
Speaker 7: hopefully that's there's not enough of them where it affects
Speaker 7: her immunity. But there's a significant amount of people that
Speaker 7: I'm seeing or hearing from, Wow, that are legitimately anti
Speaker 7: vaccine in general.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not anti vaccination, but I definitely was pro
Speaker 2: waiting two to three months before.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: The street that's all.
Speaker 5: Sorry, you get it now? Did you get it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I would definitely get it. I more or less
Speaker 2: wanted for my family first. Yeah, right, same here.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but you but your mother it should be easy
Speaker 6: for her. So once that's the thing, right, Like, once
Speaker 6: the elders get it and.
Speaker 1: You can get it, do you, that's gonna be a
Speaker 1: whole nother one.
Speaker 4: Hugging people.
Speaker 5: I mean you all may have already talked about this,
Speaker 5: but I'm just really curious about it. I am a
Speaker 5: huge fan of sly and the family Stone.
Speaker 2: Yes, what is your.
Speaker 5: Love connection with sly Stone? And I'm so excited about
Speaker 5: the documentary?
Speaker 9: That was a weird See someone who works in television
Speaker 9: and media, it's a really weird segue.
Speaker 2: That's an awesome segue.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the wheel screens on.
Speaker 2: That got it? All right, sly Stone, Let's do it.
Speaker 2: Here's the weird thing.
Speaker 3: I literally went from I went from I'll say in December,
Speaker 3: I went from somebody should make I went from that
Speaker 3: person like, you know, what would be a good idea,
Speaker 3: somebody should make a documentary?
Speaker 2: I will say this much.
Speaker 3: This is probably the most I will say on my
Speaker 3: plan for this project before and before we shoot it.
Speaker 2: I have I have a deep desire to really dive into.
Speaker 3: Self sabotage and black genius, and I feel like this
Speaker 3: is my opportunity to do that because it would be
Speaker 3: really easy to just concentrate on the chronic lateness, the
Speaker 3: cocaine use, the heroin.
Speaker 1: Use, the abuse, all those things like I gut, you know,
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 3: A tragic musicians story would be like very easy to do,
Speaker 3: Like this guy.
Speaker 2: Was a genius and all that.
Speaker 3: But you know, oftentimes when you see documentaries of people
Speaker 3: that are in that are of the genius ilk, especially
Speaker 3: with black people, you really don't get to see the
Speaker 3: scientific process of one what makes them genius into you know,
Speaker 3: like this whole like natural ability and God given talent,
Speaker 3: Like there's more too that. So yes, I do want
Speaker 3: to explore his genius songwriting, his you know, all his
Speaker 3: songs are damn near like nursery rhymes.
Speaker 2: The fact that he took nursery rhymes and made them
Speaker 2: into hit.
Speaker 3: Singles is one thing, but only because the film that
Speaker 3: I previously did focused on such a victory lap for him,
Speaker 3: him doing the Harlem Cultural Festival and then doing Woodstock
Speaker 3: two weeks later, and often wonder like, Okay, so then
Speaker 3: after you did Woodstock and you have the world in
Speaker 3: the palm of your hand.
Speaker 2: All you had to do was put the ball in
Speaker 2: the basket, but you did, like if you.
Speaker 3: Remember, Carlton and the Fresh Prince of Belly are like
Speaker 3: stealing the ball from Will and throwing it the opposite
Speaker 3: direction and missing, Like I want to know, why did
Speaker 3: he sabotage that moment?
Speaker 2: And it's only yeah, I do. And here's the thing
Speaker 2: which leads into how many of you seen.
Speaker 3: Billy Holliday's movie. The one good takeaway from the Billie
Speaker 3: Holiday not the one could take away like it's a
Speaker 3: bad takeaway, but the one sure fire takeaway that one
Speaker 3: can get is that when you're living in this time
Speaker 3: period like it's it's you're living in constant terror. So
Speaker 3: there's no way for you to operate normally, you know,
Speaker 3: because it's almost like I think people think that, well,
Speaker 3: because you're a celebrity or you're a successful singer, you
Speaker 3: have these hit singles, then your life is great. And
Speaker 3: what happens is is that you see how being raped
Speaker 3: that ten affected her. You see how her seeing how
Speaker 3: she wrote strange fruits, like seeing those dead bodies swinging
Speaker 3: and all that stuff like that affects you. And you know,
Speaker 3: I think for it sly and for a lot of
Speaker 3: black people, there's a lot of I deal with this
Speaker 3: a lot, a lot of guilt, you know, I'll put
Speaker 3: it this way. The night that I won Sun Dance, like,
Speaker 3: I actually caught myself like trying to tell my publicist
Speaker 3: to not send out press alerts because I was already
Speaker 3: managing this person feeling in some sort of way or
Speaker 3: that person or like a here is doing too much
Speaker 3: and da da da da da. Like I found myself
Speaker 3: almost going there, like undoing a whole year's worth of work.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think whatsly that will also answer the
Speaker 3: question why we are dealing with the music that we
Speaker 3: have today and why this person takes a decade or
Speaker 3: more to make an album or that person takes two
Speaker 3: decades more to make an album or this person has
Speaker 3: a dependency problem, or this person keeps getting thrown in jail.
Speaker 1: Like why do we keep self sabotaging because.
Speaker 4: Artist or people just like everybody else, and we all
Speaker 4: have trauma.
Speaker 2: We all have.
Speaker 5: Trauma, generational trauma. Even so there you go.
Speaker 3: Well I was I wasn't separating like artists are no
Speaker 3: different than regular people. But that's the thing, like artists
Speaker 3: are regular people.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's self sabotaged. I think it's just
Speaker 2: mental illness.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's trauma not knowing how to deal
Speaker 4: with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I mean we just learned now how it was LaStone
Speaker 6: doing it just self medicating, right, because and he didn't
Speaker 6: even know there wasn't even a term called self medicating then.
Speaker 2: Now it was just called drugs.
Speaker 5: Mental illness or is it like just trying to manage
Speaker 5: like our day, you know, like I think about everything
Speaker 5: we're going through today, we're all collectively experiencing something traumatic
Speaker 5: every day.
Speaker 8: So well, the reason why that causes mental illness, I
Speaker 8: think because we all are losing our damn minds.
Speaker 3: When I'm researching, when I'm researching on him, is that, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, the average black person in their professional career
Speaker 3: off goes through. I mean, everyone has their level of
Speaker 3: code switching that you have to do. Like your office
Speaker 3: persona is different from you're in front of the mirror
Speaker 3: in the shower persona, and your cousin's persona and your
Speaker 3: next door neighbor, like you have different masks or whatnot.
Speaker 3: I'm now, you know, in doing the research, realizing that
Speaker 3: Sly has to, you know, kind of code switch for
Speaker 3: the panthers who are just starting out and pressuring him
Speaker 3: heavily to stay black and stop doing this hippie shit.
Speaker 3: But then on the other side of the bay, it's
Speaker 3: like these counterculture hippies that Sly actually raised, Like I've
Speaker 3: the one one part of his life I didn't study
Speaker 3: that much was between sixty three and sixty seven when
Speaker 3: he got his deal, was that he was he was
Speaker 3: one of the first kind of post Timothy Leary counterculture
Speaker 3: tune out, do what you want to do, like hip
Speaker 3: voice of a particular radio station in San Francisco, which
Speaker 3: basically informed like all those white counterculture hippies, like if anything,
Speaker 3: like Sly actually built those hippies so to be to
Speaker 3: to stay black or on one side of Oakland and
Speaker 3: to tune in, tune in, tune.
Speaker 1: Out with the hippies, uh in San Francisco, and.
Speaker 3: Then have to talk money and business with the squares,
Speaker 3: like the people that are signed as checks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that can be exhausting as hell.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, So I mean we all we all
Speaker 5: called twitch a little bit. I think I'm been intentional
Speaker 5: to not do that, though honestly I try to. I'm
Speaker 5: sure on some level I do, But at a certain
Speaker 5: point it was just like not that you know, you're right,
Speaker 5: you don't.
Speaker 6: That's privilege. That's twenty twenty privilege. Yeah, That's why I
Speaker 6: love you, because that's twenty twenty privilege.
Speaker 2: Do you guys follow what's her name?
Speaker 10: She?
Speaker 3: She's a Philadelphia news correspondent, la. I know her instagram
Speaker 3: is miss news Lady, but she often does these, Uh
Speaker 3: she does her tiktoks and her instagrams in which she's Dominican.
Speaker 3: She's Dominican black. Yes, what's yeah, Janette Rays She's She's
Speaker 3: a Philadelphia news broadcaster and her entire instagram is dedicated
Speaker 3: to kind of coach switching because she's Dominican, So you know,
Speaker 3: there's a way she talks when she's with her Dominican
Speaker 3: friends and then.
Speaker 2: With her husband huh.
Speaker 3: Yeah anyway, and and then there's her news voice. And
Speaker 3: that's the thing I was noticing. The first thing I
Speaker 3: noticed about Tiffany was that you don't have a news voice.
Speaker 3: But I also noticed that there's difference between like local
Speaker 3: network news than it is for.
Speaker 2: You know, broadcast news.
Speaker 5: Yeah, hit, the cable news is a bit different. That's true.
Speaker 5: But I saw and I hear you like, because twenty
Speaker 5: twenty one privilege of twenty like it is a thing.
Speaker 5: But I still think people code switch. And I just
Speaker 5: feel like this girl she was she designed a website
Speaker 5: for me. This was like seven years ago. She's a
Speaker 5: white girl, and she tweeted about it and she was
Speaker 5: like gone and hit bat dat yeah. And she was
Speaker 5: about twenty two years old, And I was like, you
Speaker 5: know what, I'm twice this girl's age and she trying
Speaker 5: to sound like me. I'm not close switching anymore.
Speaker 10: You know.
Speaker 5: While everybody get used to it, why does she have
Speaker 5: the privilege to tweet and talk like I do authentically
Speaker 5: and she can appropriate it and comfort that I don't
Speaker 5: have as my natural state of being.
Speaker 4: It was abrupt.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, like I'm not doing that shit anymore. This
Speaker 5: is it.
Speaker 4: Deal with it.
Speaker 5: And then it's like people make jokes and cultural references
Speaker 5: all the time that you know, that's not my cultural reference.
Speaker 5: You know, are you're dropping a line from something that
Speaker 5: I'll married like, oh classic, I'm like if I drop
Speaker 5: a line from Harlem Knights or Coming to America, that's
Speaker 5: my classic. You know, Like we experience what they find
Speaker 5: funny all the time, like come, like why do we
Speaker 5: have to have ours in a vertical you know, like
Speaker 5: a separate tab. So I just say, yeah, if I
Speaker 5: say a joke or reference something, you don't get it.
Speaker 5: It wasn't for you.
Speaker 2: And that wasn't for you.
Speaker 4: At what point, at what point in your life did
Speaker 4: you feel comfortable doing that?
Speaker 11: Like when I went to be When I went to
Speaker 11: be Eta, it was very unorthodox.
Speaker 3: We never waited a half hour to actually get into
Speaker 3: the story. Like I know, I was just thinking, we
Speaker 3: go where do you grow up? We haven't gotten of
Speaker 3: that ship yet, Like we skipped all of that.
Speaker 2: Well we just skip it, like we just went and
Speaker 2: kicking it.
Speaker 5: We just.
Speaker 9: Switching codes and cultural approach ures just like way early,
Speaker 9: it's hey, you're talking to the wrong.
Speaker 2: Guy, I've been doing it like he's making fun of me.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about let's talk about it. Let's talk about
Speaker 2: red light district.
Speaker 1: Let's do it.
Speaker 2: I do want to know how how you got in
Speaker 2: the game.
Speaker 3: I mean i've i've you know, I became aware of
Speaker 3: you because you were always uh ms C m s
Speaker 3: nb c's go to person when it came to well,
Speaker 3: when I really started paying attention to m S NBC, say,
Speaker 3: like the last two years of Obama's administration, you would
Speaker 3: often be on as a talking head or whatever. Definitely
Speaker 3: during the beginning of forty five's administration.
Speaker 2: But yeah, how did how did you get your start?
Speaker 4: And we find out where she's from. I just want
Speaker 4: to know where she's from.
Speaker 5: From Cleveland, but I grew up actually in Atlanta.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I hate me too. Yeah really no.
Speaker 2: No, yeah no, no, you can't. We said this last year,
Speaker 2: you can't clean three cities. But I graduated.
Speaker 4: I've graduated from Clark Atlanta University. I don't know what
Speaker 4: you do it is, I don't clean.
Speaker 5: You claim it if twelve years, all right, I'll clean. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but you claiming c a U. Yeah, yeah, I was
Speaker 5: born in Cleveland, but I grew up in Atlanta, and
Speaker 5: I've been in d C now for twenty years. Oh wow, okay,
Speaker 5: twenty one years. Twenty one years and I came to DC.
Speaker 5: I was with CNN in Atlanta and they relocated me
Speaker 5: to DC to cover Capitol Hill.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 5: And yeah, I just you know, honestly, you guys, I
Speaker 5: had a really rough time.
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 5: I didn't have any money. I didn't come from privilege.
Speaker 5: I was in Atlanta. I was out there just on
Speaker 5: my own, struggling. I was a bake teller at First Union.
Speaker 4: That's a good, great college job, it is.
Speaker 5: But I needed to make some money and I needed
Speaker 5: to eat and I needed to live, you know. And
Speaker 5: so it was a program director of v won O three,
Speaker 5: the major urbanization.
Speaker 4: Yes, bid man, baby. I used to be his intern.
Speaker 5: Sorry, I need to do the news. I begged my
Speaker 5: way into doing the news for their Frank Sky Morning Shoe. Yes.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And so I'm gonna tell y'all, I was like twenty one.
Speaker 5: The program director said I could do it. I didn't
Speaker 5: have a car, so I used to have to get
Speaker 5: Tony Brown. He was because my uncle worked on way
Speaker 5: back in the day. And I was like, you know,
Speaker 5: my uncle, and I begged his ass, like, just give
Speaker 5: me a chance. And I used to have to be
Speaker 5: there at the crack of dawn with no car. Martin
Speaker 5: started running on time. I mean I would get.
Speaker 4: Were smart.
Speaker 5: The hood.
Speaker 4: Africans rapidly through Atlanta.
Speaker 5: I like, no. My uncle was Marco Spoon, who's radio
Speaker 5: personality in Houston.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 5: He was in l A for a while. He was
Speaker 5: in DC for a while, and he and Tony Brown
Speaker 5: worked together and yeah, so Tony was like, all right,
Speaker 5: you can do the news, and so I'm gonna tell
Speaker 5: y'all when I got the news doing Frank C Morning Show.
Speaker 4: I was like, Lord, I made it.
Speaker 5: You have blessed me. You ain't got to do nothing
Speaker 5: else for me. I'm about to get so much money.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna push it hont A seventh one day on
Speaker 5: I got a republic and make your great. And I
Speaker 5: was in say, the Lord had a bigger vision for
Speaker 5: my life than I did, because that was how I
Speaker 5: got my foot in the door to do news. And
Speaker 5: then after that I went to they You probably remember this.
Speaker 5: The TSU Classic would take place in Atlanta and I
Speaker 5: this is before everybody had email. So I used to
Speaker 5: have to carry around paper copies of my resume just
Speaker 5: in case, and I did, thank God. And I met
Speaker 5: a black executive who worked at CNN, and I gave
Speaker 5: him my resume and he said, I can't do anything
Speaker 5: but guarantee you an interview. And I said, that's all
Speaker 5: I need, brother, is an interview. And never since then
Speaker 5: the rest is history. I was at CNN and I
Speaker 5: worked my ass off. I worked seven days a week,
Speaker 5: and somebody said you should go to DC, be a
Speaker 5: good fit, and they relocated me here, and my whole
Speaker 5: life I wanted to be the brown Murphy Brown. And
Speaker 5: I got here and hustle, hustle, hustle, and I felt
Speaker 5: real and welcome, though you guys like the news room
Speaker 5: was not very well welcoming to a young black, twenty
Speaker 5: seven year old woman who had thoughts and opinions. And
Speaker 5: so I left. But I but I think when I
Speaker 5: got to be ET, I was able to do a
Speaker 5: lot more, you know. But BT was different because they're like,
Speaker 5: you know, I'm here in DC trying to be very
Speaker 5: serious in covery Bush administration. They're like, you know, Tiffany,
Speaker 5: we need you to go out and like, you know,
Speaker 5: do the red carpet at the Grammys. I'm like, you know,
Speaker 5: twenty five and I'm like, no, you guys, because George
Speaker 5: take yours out of the time, you know.
Speaker 2: I read that like I would go.
Speaker 5: But I was always very serious and all these like
Speaker 5: famous people would be around and I'm all, like, you.
Speaker 2: Know, capet walk By, I was, but look I was
Speaker 2: not on.
Speaker 5: Air, Amir. I was a producer. So I used to
Speaker 5: work with this on air talent who did all entertainment.
Speaker 5: Her name is Sharon Carpenter. She was British.
Speaker 4: Yes, global grind, yes, yes, yes, Sharon and I my
Speaker 4: girl father.
Speaker 5: I love her. So she, Sharen and I we worked
Speaker 5: together a lot, and she was like a beauty, you know.
Speaker 5: So people would like push past me, always trying to
Speaker 5: get this year, and and there was always somebody from
Speaker 5: the entourage like trying to holler at me. And I
Speaker 5: was very serious, you know, I'm like, excuse me, I'm
Speaker 5: on a phone call. Thank you.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I want to cover he re lax.
Speaker 5: I was so uptight, you know. So yeah, I was
Speaker 5: always grinding, like I'm probably now just at the point
Speaker 5: when I turned forty, I think that's the first time
Speaker 5: I exhaled. I was clinched all the time.
Speaker 4: So many follow ups today. Yeah, I was up tight.
Speaker 5: I was up tight. I was just you know, but
Speaker 5: anyway I did that. I started my own business for
Speaker 5: a while, a news outlet that senter people the VDC.
Speaker 2: Coffington Post to say that or yeah.
Speaker 5: But it was except that it was all people of color.
Speaker 5: It was black, Latino, Asian American and Native American and
Speaker 5: so we had you know, writers, and that was our folks.
Speaker 5: And that's how cable newsbookers were like, why don't you
Speaker 5: call on our air and talk about it? And thankfully
Speaker 5: Joy read I went on her show and we became friends.
Speaker 5: And she was just the way that Melissa Harris carry
Speaker 5: passed dway to Baton. Joy said very early on, like
Speaker 5: I want you to have this show.
Speaker 4: So she was very very ill.
Speaker 5: I weren't for Joy.
Speaker 6: I could tell when they y'all were going through the
Speaker 6: thing where everybody was just filling in and that spot,
Speaker 6: I was like, oh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Tiffany's she's a she's a favorite.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I didn't feel that way at the time. I didn't
Speaker 5: know what anybody was thinking.
Speaker 4: We were, Yeah, we were cheering me and my mom
Speaker 4: weering for you.
Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you. It's been a it's been an adjustment,
Speaker 5: you know, being I was always a producer. I was
Speaker 5: always you know, preparing for my talent. So going from
Speaker 5: that to being from the control room to the green
Speaker 5: room and then from the green room to the anchor chair,
Speaker 5: it's been an adjustment, you know. But everybody has an opinion.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, what's the hardest part of that
Speaker 2: adjustment going from behind the camera to being on camera?
Speaker 5: You I think people's opinions screaming in my face, you know,
Speaker 5: all day is hurtful, you know, Like everybody has a thought,
Speaker 5: and I'm just not used to that. You know, I'm
Speaker 5: real regular, you know, and so when people see me,
Speaker 5: I'm never like, you know, I'm like, yeah, what's good,
Speaker 5: what's up?
Speaker 10: You know why?
Speaker 5: Yeah, you want to take a picture, let's do it.
Speaker 5: Like I'm so weird to me that somebody would recognize
Speaker 5: me and say something. And so when people like say
Speaker 5: something off, I'm like, damn, I'm out here trying to
Speaker 5: do it for the culture and uplift my people, and
Speaker 5: you thought enough of me to email me something ugly.
Speaker 4: I'm just not used to that.
Speaker 5: I'm like, damn, you don't even know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's no that right now.
Speaker 4: Sorry, it's like a Twitter and stuff.
Speaker 5: Twitter DM my my website that people email you know
Speaker 5: I read those things.
Speaker 6: So Tiffany, let me ask you, what's your new Do
Speaker 6: you have a new way of upkeeping your armor? What's
Speaker 6: your new armor upkeep?
Speaker 4: And has Joy? What has Joy suggested in that price?
Speaker 5: Joy is so amazing, Like I really we I probably
Speaker 5: talked to Joy every day. I'll tell you guys, we
Speaker 5: have a group chat where all of us who have
Speaker 5: faces incoming. So it's me, Joy, Angela Roy.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Group you say, all the ship they get you
Speaker 2: canceled in public. You have to have one. You have
Speaker 2: to have one.
Speaker 5: It's a very safe space for a bunch of black
Speaker 5: women who have a lot of incoming. And you know,
Speaker 5: I have my armor publably. But sometimes I'm like, damn, y'all,
Speaker 5: somebody you know said my blouse was sucked up today
Speaker 5: or like some things, I'm like, damn, that feels so hurtful,
Speaker 5: But I mean I have to reject it. And thankfully
Speaker 5: I have friends who like it wouldn't matter if I
Speaker 5: was you know, we've been up the street, like they
Speaker 5: just love me a mirror. This is so this is funny.
Speaker 5: I'll tell you guys. I was with one of my
Speaker 5: closest friends. We were having and she was like, I'm
Speaker 5: thinking about making this soup on Tuesday. You should come over.
Speaker 5: And I was like, oh, man, I think I have
Speaker 5: something to do.
Speaker 4: And I looked.
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, I can't do it because I'm doing
Speaker 5: this thing with plus love. And she was like, oh
Speaker 5: my god, tell them. I said, Hi, my friend Rachel
Speaker 5: and Emir are apparently pals.
Speaker 4: And I was like, I knew that was next.
Speaker 5: Rich Rachel, Rachel Rachel of Caribbean rhythms.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, Rachel chewy chewy. Yeah, how was she doing?
Speaker 5: Literally I had my hat on because I was running
Speaker 5: from her house. I was like, what time is she
Speaker 5: like a six to fifty. I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 5: I have to go. She made me this wonderful meal tonight.
Speaker 5: She's so awesome. We sit outside at her fireplace. She's amazing.
Speaker 5: She's a homemaker now. She has three kids. Her oldest
Speaker 5: is like twenty. She has a set of twins who
Speaker 5: are like seventeen. She still dropped it. Gorgeous, Yeah, like
Speaker 5: walking embodiment of love. Like to know. She's the kindest,
Speaker 5: sweetest person in the whole wide world. And I talked
Speaker 5: to her fifty times and I was literally on her
Speaker 5: couch outside telling her like how stressful it is, you know,
Speaker 5: like I have to, you know, try to kill it
Speaker 5: on my show every Saturday, and you know, try to
Speaker 5: make sure I'm being culturally responsible to the rising majority
Speaker 5: of this country. And because she's been in the spotlight
Speaker 5: and had a whole different experience than I did, it's
Speaker 5: just really nice to have that sisterhood and that away
Speaker 5: time where we can just come and be our vulnerable
Speaker 5: selves and talk unfiltered, you know. So that's how I
Speaker 5: maintain my sanity, really, but I want to hear how
Speaker 5: do you how do you guys maintain some some other
Speaker 5: methods of hoping it's.
Speaker 2: The same thing.
Speaker 8: You definitely have to have the clubhouse. You have to
Speaker 8: have the clubhouse, the group chat, clubhouse. Pressure is just
Speaker 8: this is just the rock nation brush that.
Speaker 2: Our goal. You should be. You should be in marketing, bro, Like,
Speaker 2: I just it's too much, brother, I'm wearing your shirt. Brother.
Speaker 2: I mean that's it's it's like when it when it
Speaker 2: first up off, it is like let it like.
Speaker 4: That ship is hate.
Speaker 2: I hate when tells the truth.
Speaker 10: Man.
Speaker 8: No, it's just you know, if you're into that, if
Speaker 8: you missed the mixers and the label things, it's cool,
Speaker 8: but not so now.
Speaker 2: The group chat definitely helps. Having a group chat where
Speaker 2: you can.
Speaker 8: See it won't get you can and won't get your
Speaker 8: cancel group. Just to get those thoughts out, that's good
Speaker 8: I have. Also for me, it's been helpful. Like just walking,
Speaker 8: it's been helpful. I like try to get some air
Speaker 8: sunshine every day. Just get a good old walk in
Speaker 8: and marijuana.
Speaker 5: I the way my direct deposit is set up, I'm
Speaker 5: not gonna understand, but I a.
Speaker 4: Wave that your direct deposit is set up now.
Speaker 2: That is.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's certain a job. But from from a policy perspective,
Speaker 5: let me just say that I'm very excited that they're
Speaker 5: exploring moving marijuana off the Schedule one drugs as it
Speaker 5: should be.
Speaker 2: At the same time.
Speaker 4: If you, if you could you live in Jersey.
Speaker 1: No, I'm just saying that we're two employees of NBC.
Speaker 7: I just never knew if Yeah, so hold on, I've
Speaker 7: been writing this entire it's the entire last thirty years. Yes,
Speaker 7: all right, sorry, Yeah, everything that Fantees said, It's true,
Speaker 7: uh walks Uh.
Speaker 1: Meditation is also yeah, big one.
Speaker 5: I'm trying to get into it.
Speaker 4: My mind is always going a mir what's that? What app?
Speaker 4: Are you an app? Dude? Because or are you just
Speaker 4: even bigger than that which you breathe.
Speaker 2: Is some one called breeds? I made that up right now,
Speaker 2: my guy YouTube, my guys.
Speaker 3: Doctor Joe despends it. I was you, Tiffany, like I
Speaker 3: can't sit silent for you know, for these amount of times.
Speaker 3: And you know, the first when I started was like,
Speaker 3: all right, fifteen minutes. Can I sit there for fifteen minutes?
Speaker 4: That's long?
Speaker 3: You know, slight disclos with my girlfriend says I go overboard,
Speaker 3: like not even you know, not not even you know
Speaker 3: the Deepak Chopri would meditate for three hours a day.
Speaker 4: So three hot kind of who's got that kind of time?
Speaker 2: Sh Yeah? This guy.
Speaker 9: You see what my ear was like last year you
Speaker 9: got you missed the knightety jobs, you have three hours
Speaker 9: run fucking up?
Speaker 2: See he let my victories this year? Yeah yeah, all right, yeah.
Speaker 3: Trying to do ship except for meditate three hours every
Speaker 3: day since March thirteenth.
Speaker 2: Well aren't you well, can.
Speaker 6: I just say, Tim, if you do think about meditating,
Speaker 6: I just the baby step would be.
Speaker 4: I kind of started with headspace. They started like three minutes.
Speaker 6: You can go three, five, T twenty and they teach
Speaker 6: you kind of how to go through the process, close
Speaker 6: your eyes and rid of the out space, you know
Speaker 6: what I mean, Like it's a whole process, and they
Speaker 6: bring you back. So a lot of you know those
Speaker 6: apps I'm not going to say specifically helps you.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, look up doctor Joe Despenser. He's he's
Speaker 3: the one that kind of pulled me off the ledge
Speaker 3: of this is dumb. Like at first it's like this
Speaker 3: is dumb, and then I can't do.
Speaker 4: This, doctor Joe dispensa.
Speaker 2: Doctor Joe Dispensa.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's he was the the entry to me really
Speaker 3: under and he explained it in a way that you
Speaker 3: know that I got it. And now I absolutely believe
Speaker 3: that that is single handedly why the things that have
Speaker 3: been happening have happened. I've had zero I've had I
Speaker 3: had zero plans for none of this shit that's happened.
Speaker 2: Like you know, and when you do three hours as
Speaker 2: a three continuous hours, or do you break it.
Speaker 3: Up I do two hours in the morning and I
Speaker 3: do an hour at night before I go to bed,
Speaker 3: because they said it's important for you to not go
Speaker 3: to sleep immediately after like you watch the news. Normally
Speaker 3: I would go to sleep after Rachel, Like after Rachel
Speaker 3: goes on, then I go to sleep. And that's the
Speaker 3: worst thing to do, Okay, Rachel be on to be
Speaker 3: on right, and or I sleep the MSNBC and that's
Speaker 3: not or just watch a movie. So it's almost like
Speaker 3: you gotta clean It's like showering. You gotta cleanse and
Speaker 3: just sit in silence for that time period.
Speaker 10: You know.
Speaker 3: First I started with the listing things I want to
Speaker 3: achieve in life, and then now I'm just in the
Speaker 3: stage where I just sit silently, and yeah, I think
Speaker 3: that that's that's the key because the thing is literally
Speaker 3: I can't stress it enough that and I gotta get
Speaker 3: out this thing.
Speaker 4: Crystals to a mirror.
Speaker 6: Though you got things for your energy, Like, don't let
Speaker 6: Timny just think you got the meditation, You got the crystals,
Speaker 6: like you.
Speaker 4: Want some stuff.
Speaker 5: Your house looks very psychedelic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's because my girlfriend is very psychedelic. This isn't
Speaker 3: no different world. What's what's your name, Freddie and uh shaka.
Speaker 10: No.
Speaker 5: It feels like you know, it feels like when Charlie
Speaker 5: Murphy saw Princess Aura, like right now, Yeah, that's what
Speaker 5: it looks like.
Speaker 4: But working out, working out too, TIF working out helps.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I do. I find when I'm walking that helps.
Speaker 5: I have this like ad machine that I do that helps,
Speaker 5: and other things, you know, other things. It's challenging though,
Speaker 5: you know, like everything. I think it's a stress and
Speaker 5: the news, like I can understand, like not being able
Speaker 5: to sleep after you watch the news because the news
Speaker 5: is often challenging, you know what, what's happening in the world.
Speaker 4: Most of our parents that's how they go to sleep,
Speaker 4: most of our parents.
Speaker 8: There, I can't do it. I don't see I don't
Speaker 8: keep it. I don't keep a TV. I never had
Speaker 8: a TV in my bedroom, so that was like, yeah, please,
Speaker 8: what Grace been trying to get you to get get
Speaker 8: it out? That's that's so hard. That's one of the
Speaker 8: main issues right now with the new spot.
Speaker 4: No Adult Swim at night.
Speaker 1: I want a TV in my bedroom and I think
Speaker 1: I'm about to lose this battle.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm telling it's for the best man, like it's
Speaker 8: true best because it's just yeah, like.
Speaker 2: Because you you learned like in the space.
Speaker 8: And this was particularly important with the pandemic when we
Speaker 8: were all at home and it was just the thing
Speaker 8: of training your mind to get used to having every
Speaker 8: space has its specific function. So when my son had
Speaker 8: to do his uh like school, you know, my wife
Speaker 8: she was like, well, baby, we can just do it
Speaker 8: at the kitchen table.
Speaker 2: I was like, nah, this is where we eat dinner.
Speaker 8: So we bought him a desk, so you know, you know,
Speaker 8: to sit down at this desk that tells your mind
Speaker 8: it's time to go to work.
Speaker 2: And when you're in the bedroom, you know, I don't
Speaker 2: want like TV. That's the place for me. It's time
Speaker 2: to go to sleep or to work, depending on the doe.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 10: You know.
Speaker 8: So yeah, it's just that it's something that's been super helpful.
Speaker 8: But yeah, I never kept a TV in the bedroom. Man,
Speaker 8: it you get a lot.
Speaker 3: You sleep so much better really in your life or
Speaker 3: in your adult life. In my life, like, I never
Speaker 3: had one games.
Speaker 2: I mean I would play them, but then when it
Speaker 2: was time to go to bed, and I was like,
Speaker 2: all right, cut it off. I just cut it off
Speaker 2: and that was it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 8: But I couldn't go to sleep to like noise, like
Speaker 8: because the thing is like I could sleep to music,
Speaker 8: but I can't sleep to TV because it sounds like
Speaker 8: it feels like somebody is trying to have a conversation
Speaker 8: me while I'm trying to go to sleep, like I'm
Speaker 8: trying to go to sleep in a niggas like, hey man.
Speaker 2: Sleep Remember that time we was just like the fun up.
Speaker 2: So I just I just do music, but I don't
Speaker 2: do TV.
Speaker 3: Uh see before yeah, before she moved in, I'll say
Speaker 3: that I kept TV constantly running because it was like
Speaker 3: a roommate, you know, this companionship. And I hated the
Speaker 3: sound of silence like that was you know now, I
Speaker 3: can't wait for silence. But before me both yeah, before
Speaker 3: Grace moved in, I couldn't stand silent.
Speaker 4: I was gonna ask Tiffany not to be in her business.
Speaker 4: But do you have a partner, a COVID partner?
Speaker 5: No, I live alone. And I was curious when you
Speaker 5: were in your girlfriend moved in. I'm like, I can
Speaker 5: I'm gonna tell you, guys, I cannot imagine being stuck
Speaker 5: in this house with another human being. It's a two bedroom.
Speaker 5: I mean it's upstairs downstairs, so I guess one person
Speaker 5: could be up But I just like doing what I
Speaker 5: want to do, you know what I mean, Like I'm
Speaker 5: not negotiating over what I want to watch on the TV.
Speaker 5: What I want to be, you know. And I think
Speaker 5: it would be a really big adjustment to do that.
Speaker 5: But I'd be open to like a relationship where we're
Speaker 5: married and my husband lives across the street and he
Speaker 5: can come into my ship anytime he wants, he wants exactly.
Speaker 4: They did that.
Speaker 2: A lot.
Speaker 4: There's there's another couple you hear about that. They did
Speaker 4: a lot.
Speaker 3: They did a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was it was open. They had an open
Speaker 2: word for a little bit. I don't know. They swing.
Speaker 4: I was when swingers, but yeah, yeah, tiny without all
Speaker 4: the Oh my.
Speaker 2: God, I just said, I said, they made CNN it
Speaker 2: just mean white people news love what.
Speaker 4: Gets the word Wait a minute, bills it again?
Speaker 8: I said, I said what No, I said, see it
Speaker 8: and loves it when I gets off up with white people.
Speaker 4: That's all right, it's the truth, it's all.
Speaker 2: But they took him out of being said hold on,
Speaker 2: They took him out of Iron Man. Not iron Man.
Speaker 2: They took him out of a Man three. I think
Speaker 2: I saw they just.
Speaker 5: The mar world.
Speaker 4: Oh, this ain't good because you know once you went
Speaker 4: in to the Marvel world.
Speaker 2: Although waking up, this is this role play going wrong.
Speaker 9: T I and Tiny denied sexual assault allegations as attorney
Speaker 9: seeks investigation of them.
Speaker 6: How there was an amazing theatrical re enactment of all
Speaker 6: the accusations that it's combined into a movie that you
Speaker 6: will see. I just saw that on the block. I
Speaker 6: will send it to you, but there.
Speaker 2: I can't wait for this.
Speaker 6: Everything talking about each separate incident and what happened. I'm
Speaker 6: talking about from interns to an ex military girl.
Speaker 2: It's a lot, you know, but it's it's actual testimony.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they're actors, Okay.
Speaker 3: I thought it was, like you remember when they used
Speaker 3: to do the sort of animation version of things, like
Speaker 3: when Tiger Woods had his first car crash reenactment.
Speaker 2: I thought it was that.
Speaker 4: That ain't gonna be on. You wouldn't.
Speaker 6: That's ill, because like, is it hard to pick and
Speaker 6: choose hm as a as a black person and so consciously.
Speaker 4: Excuse this term woke, woken, Yeah, what stories because you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, Yeah, I do. You know, it's
Speaker 4: not hard for me.
Speaker 5: What's hard is convincing the people around me to trust me,
Speaker 5: you know, because I think cable news has become such
Speaker 5: an echo chamber and it's like, oh, but like these
Speaker 5: are the four topics that we're talking about today, And
Speaker 5: I'm like, no, I get that, but these are the
Speaker 5: black ass topics I'm going to talk about today And
Speaker 5: can we meet somewhere, you know, in the middle, like
Speaker 5: I'll you know, have a different like panelists on that
Speaker 5: you want, but this is what I want to cover.
Speaker 5: Like I did a whole thing on All Star last
Speaker 5: weekend because I'm like, I know people who are traveling
Speaker 5: to Atlanta. But it was like I got to convince
Speaker 5: y'all that this is a story to do.
Speaker 4: You know. I'm like, I get nobody else is.
Speaker 5: Talking about it, but I promise you on my timeline,
Speaker 5: like All Star Weekend is a story of discussion. So
Speaker 5: we had Jamil Hill and Carrie Champion on to talk
Speaker 5: about that, and to me, it was a no brainer.
Speaker 5: But there are people, you know who operate from a
Speaker 5: spirit of fear and it's like, but this is what
Speaker 5: we do, and this is what we have always done.
Speaker 5: And you know something people don't realize. A majority of
Speaker 5: cable news viewers are white men over the age of sixty,
Speaker 5: and so it's still now. MSNBC does enjoy a disproportionate
Speaker 5: amount of black viewers, the highest amount of viewers among
Speaker 5: any other network, and not just any other news network,
Speaker 5: but any other cable network. So that includes bt TV
Speaker 5: one like everything. More black viewers tuned in MSNBC, but portionately,
Speaker 5: most of the viewers are white men over the age
Speaker 5: of sixty. So it's a constant reminder that you want
Speaker 5: to bring the white men over the age of sixty,
Speaker 5: you want to bring them along with the content. But
Speaker 5: it's for me, it's a constant reminder like you, guys,
Speaker 5: realize those people are not immortal. So you're ignoring the
Speaker 5: rising majority of this country, who you know, might not know,
Speaker 5: you know what, when you say the d D, they
Speaker 5: might not immediately know what that means.
Speaker 4: Or when you talk about, oh.
Speaker 5: Well, the Gang of Age is gonna, you know, meet
Speaker 5: with President Biden if now off the top of their
Speaker 5: head knows what the Gang of eight is, you know,
Speaker 5: So it's like, how can we slow this down and
Speaker 5: inform people? And it is cable news, so entertain people
Speaker 5: and reflect people back to them, and to be honest
Speaker 5: with you guys, like I'm still you know, I'm doing
Speaker 5: the best I can, but I'm still figuring out some things.
Speaker 5: Because when Melissa hars Perry took this or created this show,
Speaker 5: it was during the Obama years, and she was very professorial,
Speaker 5: very cerebral. When Joy took over from MH it was
Speaker 5: during the beginning of Trump and Brains, you know, and say, yeah,
Speaker 5: you guys are crazy. So now that I'm coming in
Speaker 5: during the Biden Harris administration, it is a you know,
Speaker 5: like what do I want this show to be? And
Speaker 5: a part of what I wanted to be is the
Speaker 5: mirror that America needs to see, you know, Like I
Speaker 5: might ruffle some feathers on the left because sometimes even
Speaker 5: allies are a problem, or maybe I'm not the most
Speaker 5: alike in some of my questions, you know, but like
Speaker 5: these are questions that people want answers to, you know,
Speaker 5: when people are like, oh, I was a regular Republican
Speaker 5: fian you know how awful he was? Thank you, Thank you,
Speaker 5: my allies, You know, I like to send your position
Speaker 5: and I want to have conversations about unity, but we
Speaker 5: can't talk about that shit. And we're not going to
Speaker 5: talk about the years, the centuries fucked up shit that
Speaker 5: you know has already been happening. So at least respect
Speaker 5: me enough to say, hey, you know what, you're right
Speaker 5: that shit was really racist or that shit was sucked
Speaker 5: up and we shouldn't have done it. When I have
Speaker 5: to start from a place of you're you know, pissing
Speaker 5: in my face trying to convince me it is raining,
Speaker 5: then it's like, what am I talking to you for?
Speaker 5: You know, they's not on six Change, Like I'd rather
Speaker 5: talk about our star weekends?
Speaker 2: Can I can I ask? How how.
Speaker 1: Much control do you have over the driver's seat of
Speaker 1: your show? Do you can?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 1: Is it hard for you to not to be producer
Speaker 1: and the host of the show?
Speaker 5: Very I mean, I think people remind me all the
Speaker 5: time you're not an executive producer anymore, you know, like
Speaker 5: trust us to support you and lead you. But I
Speaker 5: have a very strong committed vision to what I want
Speaker 5: this show to be. So it is a battle, like
Speaker 5: you know, a lot of weeks, it is a battle.
Speaker 2: Did you get your producer.
Speaker 5: No, so I'll tell you we're actually looking for an
Speaker 5: executive producer now, So a mirror if you're open, you
Speaker 5: know you're enjoying Jimmy, but.
Speaker 2: You can get it in right.
Speaker 5: Exactly exactly. No, it's been hard a new executive producer
Speaker 5: because we're you know, trying to use some different things
Speaker 5: that I'm hoping to have somebody come in who's like
Speaker 5: gets who doesn't operate from a spirit of fear, you know.
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, I didn't want to get into the business,
Speaker 3: but I there. That's why I wanted to know when
Speaker 3: you came into the fold, what is what's the tug
Speaker 3: of war situation? Like on what you wanted to be?
Speaker 3: Like who is because your name is on the show
Speaker 3: that you get the final word or.
Speaker 5: You know, I mean it's still a battle, Like nobody
Speaker 5: has Carte Blunt, you know, everybody has a boss and
Speaker 5: so and it's.
Speaker 4: A new show too, right, So yeah, it comes with
Speaker 4: being a news.
Speaker 5: So there's some breathing room, but there also there's also
Speaker 5: something strange. So like Caesar Conde is the chair of
Speaker 5: NBC Universal News Group, and he's been very supportive, like
Speaker 5: go create Rashida Jones is the first black woman to
Speaker 5: be a president the cable news network. So it's an
Speaker 5: honor and thrill to work for her, and she's been
Speaker 5: very supportive. You know, everyone around me is an ally.
Speaker 5: But then you know, you get to middle management because like,
Speaker 5: you know, the chair doesn't have time to be looking
Speaker 5: at her a blocks, you know, but yeah, y'all go
Speaker 5: figure that out. And then middle management is like, yeah,
Speaker 5: we know what you want to do, but you know,
Speaker 5: here's what we do, and you have to you know,
Speaker 5: it's a give and take. I think my challenge is
Speaker 5: I've been on both sides. I trust. I mean, I'm
Speaker 5: a bet on myself every time, and I have studied
Speaker 5: the trends of cable news viewers and I see where
Speaker 5: this is going. I mean, you got to consider broadcast.
Speaker 5: We are all at the president's digital click yank everybody
Speaker 5: under you know, and everybody's not gonna win in the
Speaker 5: streaming game. So it's like, why and do do something
Speaker 5: Donald Trump is wanted.
Speaker 4: People want to get it.
Speaker 5: But he did give cable news that they needed, and
Speaker 5: so it's like what else. People don't have that appetite
Speaker 5: for that anymore, So what else can you give them
Speaker 5: and if the cable news ratings across the border want
Speaker 5: to go down, then give them. Why not try something new?
Speaker 5: You know, I'd rather be the needle and not the haystack,
Speaker 5: Like why do I want to look at I'm never
Speaker 5: gonna out see an n CNN. I don't want to.
Speaker 5: You know, I worked there before. I don't want to
Speaker 5: do what I did there. We're not going to be
Speaker 5: Fox News, you know. So it's like, let me create
Speaker 5: an experience, an authentic experience where people feel like they're
Speaker 5: either eavesdropping on a conversation or they're a part of
Speaker 5: the conversation, and I know what people are talking about.
Speaker 5: And sometimes I think people, you know, I think they
Speaker 5: think they know the community best, and I know I
Speaker 5: know the community past. So there is every week a
Speaker 5: lot of healthy exchange of ideas and ideology. But just
Speaker 5: so people know, I am like, if I'm not going
Speaker 5: to talk about something on Earth, I'm not going to
Speaker 5: say something on the ear that I don't believe, and
Speaker 5: I'm not going to talk about something that I think
Speaker 5: is damaging, you know, like if there's some clown on air,
Speaker 5: like you know it's a black Republican who was on
Speaker 5: you know, some show who was saying a bunch of
Speaker 5: dumb ship. I don't I don't want to put that
Speaker 5: person on the air because who do they represent? You know,
Speaker 5: like there is a random why would I you don't.
Speaker 2: Want to give them a platform?
Speaker 10: Right?
Speaker 2: Why you amplify?
Speaker 1: And they often want you to have people that have
Speaker 1: opposing point of view to right.
Speaker 5: But any elected Republican is more than welcome to come
Speaker 5: on my show, you know.
Speaker 6: But they do is that where Candace Owens is on
Speaker 6: staff is MSNBC's on staff. Where I was at MSNBC,
Speaker 6: the MSNBC, CNN, I hope not an official correspondent.
Speaker 4: She yeah, like she's one of their go to apologies.
Speaker 4: Are you sure I'm sorry not Candace Owens?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 4: Utah, okay me a love, me a love That's what
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, apology.
Speaker 5: See that she's at CNN. But there is an encouragement
Speaker 5: to get Republicans on the show, and you know, I
Speaker 5: think sometimes there's this underlying like, you know, like don't
Speaker 5: be so you know, like you have to create an
Speaker 5: environment where Republicans feel safe.
Speaker 4: And America America.
Speaker 5: Let's let's tell the black woman to make the Republican
Speaker 5: part right yo, or even these conversations about the future
Speaker 5: at a Republican party. I care about the future at
Speaker 5: the community, you know, like I just talk about that.
Speaker 4: Tiffany.
Speaker 6: Can I tell you a moment that you inspire my
Speaker 6: fear to go down? Because not for nothing. I have
Speaker 6: been allowed black woman for a long time, and people
Speaker 6: have been trying to shut me up for a long
Speaker 6: time to where it's finally studied to take effect.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, I shut up.
Speaker 6: It's real, because I do I be wanting anyway, Tiffany,
Speaker 6: you I was going to say the moment that you
Speaker 6: were on the View and we were they were talking
Speaker 6: about you know this moment I'm just gonna explain to
Speaker 6: the audience when and you were talking. You were talking
Speaker 6: about female other females that should be running as beep
Speaker 6: at that Biden should pick us VP, and Woopy Goldberg
Speaker 6: said to you, it should be just be a woman
Speaker 6: of color, what about Tammy Duckworth, And you went into
Speaker 6: an amazing diatribe about why it should be a black woman.
Speaker 6: And that moment was to meet such a fearless moment
Speaker 6: because as easy as that sounded for you to do,
Speaker 6: It's just it wasn't.
Speaker 4: It wasn't Yeah, everybody. Everybody would responded that way. Somebody
Speaker 4: would have just been like, well, you know what, Whoope,
Speaker 4: you got a point a woman of color.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I you know, it was not challenging
Speaker 5: for me to do because I believe so passionately, and
Speaker 5: I think Whoopee has a different lived experience than I do.
Speaker 5: And this is no disrespect to Whoopee, because I admire
Speaker 5: her work and what she's done. But and I know
Speaker 5: that she has an authentic experience as a black woman,
Speaker 5: So I don't take that away from her. But I
Speaker 5: will say very respectfully, I think some people don't understand
Speaker 5: the difference between a black face and a black voice.
Speaker 5: And I think on that show, Whoopee is not always
Speaker 5: speaking on behalf of the community, but she's speaking on
Speaker 5: behalf of her unique lived experience that consistent mostly of Hollywood,
Speaker 5: and you know, different experiences than entertainment, and not what
Speaker 5: the streets are saying, not what you know we're sitting
Speaker 5: around our kitchen table saying. So again, I'm not dissing Whoopee,
Speaker 5: but yeah, I think I'm speaking for you know, a
Speaker 5: lot of people who feel like Black people have given
Speaker 5: it all, So why can the gun lobby come in
Speaker 5: and make demands of an incoming administration. The religious right
Speaker 5: can make demands of an incoming administration. People who are
Speaker 5: sucking against stem cell research can come again come in
Speaker 5: and make demands. But black folks who built this motherfucker,
Speaker 5: we can't come in and.
Speaker 4: Like are you kidding me?
Speaker 2: Like we ought to be able to.
Speaker 5: Make every demand that we want to. Our ancestors felt
Speaker 5: this bitch, and we still don't feel well. We're still
Speaker 5: spilling blood in the streets, and you know, I find
Speaker 5: it disheartening that sometimes people are like, oh, please, don't
Speaker 5: ask for too much, and it's like, yes, harness our power.
Speaker 5: We're not asking at this point, like we delivered you
Speaker 5: to the White House and this is what we need,
Speaker 5: and ask for that shit unapologetically with some you know,
Speaker 5: put it in your test and then make a demand
Speaker 5: I needed.
Speaker 2: You're basically running for president in twenty twenty.
Speaker 5: Correct pass that I would never pass that.
Speaker 2: I hope that actually happened so we could play this
Speaker 2: episode back for you. Ye I know.
Speaker 3: Lately I stalk you Saturday mornings just to make sure
Speaker 3: that you're going to be on air or whatnot.
Speaker 1: But when does your day start? And preparing for your
Speaker 1: Saturday show?
Speaker 5: So honestly, because what's your routine. I'm obsessed. And like
Speaker 5: I said, I was an executive producer before, so I'm
Speaker 5: trying to produce myself and you know, I have to
Speaker 5: learn how to take a break. But really, like Saturday,
Speaker 5: when the show is over, I chill. I usually go
Speaker 5: to Rachel's house, like I'm on her patio all day. Sunday,
Speaker 5: I start reading the papers and thinking about what's upcoming.
Speaker 5: You know, it's unique trying to find you know, politics
Speaker 5: and culture and authentic conversation and panelists. So I start
Speaker 5: thinking through who'd be a great guest. I pull a
Speaker 5: run together or run down together by Wednesday, So I
Speaker 5: usually Wednesday and my start around five am. I'm up.
Speaker 5: I read about eight papers before the sun comes up,
Speaker 5: and then I spend the rest of the day like
Speaker 5: this weekend, I know, I want to do something. I'm
Speaker 5: voting rights and so, you know, trying to find the
Speaker 5: unique perspective that wasn't covered to death, you know, so
Speaker 5: like something everybody's gonna talk about, like the Brandan Center
Speaker 5: for Justice and Policy. I'm wondering like what's more than
Speaker 5: a vote? Laron James's organization, Like what we're all doing
Speaker 5: now that? What's Michelle Obama? You know when we all vote,
Speaker 5: what are you all doing now? So maybe have representatives
Speaker 5: from those organizations on talk about through the lens, like
Speaker 5: the celebrity squad voting engagement. What does that look like
Speaker 5: during an off year? But we'll see it changes every day.
Speaker 1: What what's your preferred uh outlet of information?
Speaker 8: Oh?
Speaker 2: I knew you have to read everything to see what
Speaker 2: they're seeing.
Speaker 5: So I will start with the New York Times. I
Speaker 5: always read the New York Times first, and then I
Speaker 5: go to the Post, and then after that. It's kind
Speaker 5: of a free for all, so I can read the Hill,
Speaker 5: I can read the a jac the Atlanta Journal Constitution.
Speaker 4: This is deep because you live in d C. And
Speaker 4: you ain't mentioned the Post.
Speaker 5: I did, I said, New York Times, then the Post.
Speaker 4: Oh, I thought you meant the New York Post, but
Speaker 4: you mean.
Speaker 5: The Grio and the Route Michael Harriet at the Route
Speaker 5: is amazing, is amazing the Atlantic. You know, I could
Speaker 5: take a time to read a think piece in the morning.
Speaker 5: There's also a blog that I love it's called Angry
Speaker 5: Asian Man, and it's pretty much like everything happening in
Speaker 5: the Asian American Pacific Islander community. But it's like hip hop,
Speaker 5: pop culture, politics, and he assembles all of this. I've
Speaker 5: had him on the show before, so I like reading
Speaker 5: his stuff. You know what's going on with to other
Speaker 5: communities of color, Indian Country, to know what's happening with
Speaker 5: Native Americans. Because I try to make sure all these
Speaker 5: voices are represented on the show. I will never My
Speaker 5: goal is to never do a show where the voices
Speaker 5: of the rising majority are not reflected.
Speaker 4: Like rising majority. That sounds so much better minority. I
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 5: That's actually I've removed minority from my lexicon. I don't
Speaker 5: say it. By twenty forty four, we will be the
Speaker 5: will be a minority majority minority country. So we are
Speaker 5: the rising majority.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's like enslaved people, not slaves exactly.
Speaker 5: And words matter so much.
Speaker 4: Language, so much language, you guys, I want to.
Speaker 5: Be in person, it would be so great, you know.
Speaker 4: And holiday? Can you do the drunk Holiday show with us?
Speaker 10: Are?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm gonna be offended if I'm not invited to
Speaker 5: do this.
Speaker 2: Let's go to DC.
Speaker 1: We're going to d C, like John or maybe the
Speaker 1: pandemic will be over.
Speaker 2: Now wait if.
Speaker 4: Mayor that's the question, Well when will Fonte come out
Speaker 4: the house?
Speaker 2: That's the question of summer twou it. Let's go Toda's house.
Speaker 2: Come up, like you said, you know you do this
Speaker 2: out on the old Man, I'll do. We'll be out.
Speaker 2: We'll be out back on the we do it on
Speaker 2: the deck, the grill.
Speaker 6: Even if I'm even if even if I'm vaccinated, even
Speaker 6: if I'm facinated.
Speaker 2: Oh well, I mean if we're all vaccinated, then I
Speaker 2: think we'll be cool.
Speaker 8: But I'm just saying under regular COVID life, Yeah, we
Speaker 8: know something out on the back, I throw some real we.
Speaker 1: Can do has suits nice?
Speaker 3: Wait tifth So if times are different, would d C
Speaker 3: still be your home base for recording the show. I'm
Speaker 3: only assuming that a majority of you do the DC
Speaker 3: home based thing because of where we are now with
Speaker 3: the pandemic. Because I used to see everyone at thirty
Speaker 3: Rock in New York City doing their shows, and then.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a studio here, so I have a I
Speaker 5: don't shoot from home. I actually go into our studio here.
Speaker 5: So yeah, this is I love DC, like I, you know,
Speaker 5: my whole career, I've been between New York and DC,
Speaker 5: but this has always been my home base. But I
Speaker 5: used to spend you know, two weeks at it's out
Speaker 5: of the month in New York. But no, thirty Rock
Speaker 5: has enough studios, and because we're a political and culture field,
Speaker 5: they and we built this brand new, huge studio. They
Speaker 5: want to get used out of that space. But I
Speaker 5: would think I would be in New York a lot more,
Speaker 5: like if they want to be to fill in for
Speaker 5: somebody or if it's a meeting, Like I still think
Speaker 5: I would have come up there a lot more had
Speaker 5: it not been for COVID. I used to complain all
Speaker 5: the time about give them that a sella you know,
Speaker 5: being at Penn State, and now I miss it. I
Speaker 5: miss it a lot.
Speaker 4: Some of us used to fly from the West coast
Speaker 4: to the East to do a podcast, and I dare
Speaker 4: say I missed that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can see that. I can see that. I
Speaker 5: miss strangers. I miss sitting at a bar, you know,
Speaker 5: next to people. I miss uh, running through airports, all
Speaker 5: of it. I'm just ready for the world to open
Speaker 5: up again.
Speaker 2: Man, That's that's great. I don't miss any of those things. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: The only thing I mean the two week of the
Speaker 3: most unsentimental motherfuckers I've ever met, Like, not the things
Speaker 3: that I missed something or anything that you have to
Speaker 3: miss with great.
Speaker 8: No, I was gonna say so, the only thing I
Speaker 8: miss is that I would like So my goal for
Speaker 8: twenty twenty one, but I would consider a win is
Speaker 8: if at the end of this year, if me and
Speaker 8: my family can have Thanksgiving, like if we you know,
Speaker 8: like maybe like five to ten of us, if we
Speaker 8: can gather you know what I'm saying, if we all
Speaker 8: vaccinate whatever, and we can actually be in the house
Speaker 8: and just have a meal together. That's about all the
Speaker 8: people I need. I'm with you right now. How can
Speaker 8: I miss you and I'm sitting there with you hug
Speaker 8: and well, well yeah, I mean yeah, we'll hug. But yeah,
Speaker 8: I'm totally cool with quests, brings, remaining mobile, this is great.
Speaker 2: Ship is amazing.
Speaker 8: Quarter the coda, I got a mic like the Quarter
Speaker 8: except there and Patrick Swace and Patrick Sway.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, madam. That's all.
Speaker 3: Speaking of which, why why did I watch uh Dirty
Speaker 3: Dancing for the first time last night?
Speaker 5: Well, the first times, weird ship watty dancing, you're a
Speaker 5: cat person.
Speaker 1: There's so much going on, dirty dances, like one of
Speaker 1: them films.
Speaker 3: It's like one of those classics where you felt you've
Speaker 3: seen it, but I don't know if I've seen it.
Speaker 3: Like I believe that I've seen it elf in a
Speaker 3: complete setting, but I don't remember every sing else. It's dirty,
Speaker 3: but no yo, like I had thirty years later that
Speaker 3: I don't think that film is aged well because none
Speaker 3: of them ships have aged well.
Speaker 2: Bro, none of them.
Speaker 3: Them trying to explain like they're they're like easy underground dancing,
Speaker 3: like not one of them mentioned like we stole these
Speaker 3: moves from Harlem, Like the music all the way up,
Speaker 3: you know, in the music there's like to say that
Speaker 3: there's there's drum machines and like the songs.
Speaker 2: I'm like, wait, isn't this nineteen sixty three? Like yeah,
Speaker 2: what's the.
Speaker 4: Want?
Speaker 2: I don't think you was even a thing in.
Speaker 3: Like it was nineteen sixty three and there were so
Speaker 3: many rules broken in I'm like, how did America adopt.
Speaker 2: This movie as there?
Speaker 8: I think it was just the time. I think it
Speaker 8: was just the It was a moment because so it
Speaker 8: was dirty dancing. And then we had the other white
Speaker 8: people America moment with.
Speaker 2: The Lombardi you remember the early nineties.
Speaker 6: Yeah, like.
Speaker 9: An array of white people dance movies that break all
Speaker 9: the rules, all the rules of everything true, but of time.
Speaker 2: Big t.
Speaker 5: It wasn't a dancer. But watch that movie.
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying Jessica album it's wait.
Speaker 1: The was off faul too.
Speaker 2: Seriously, it was nobody was going to fucking Lombarda. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The Hispanic people were doing that ship. That was like
Speaker 2: because it was that movie.
Speaker 8: It was that movie called The Forbidden Dance Jeff Speakman
Speaker 8: and like it was like the guy he was like
Speaker 8: a fucking math teacher and like but he danced in
Speaker 8: the club at night. And then the ship ended with
Speaker 8: like this math competition. It was like dirty dance and
Speaker 8: meet Standing Deliver meets.
Speaker 2: La Bamba.
Speaker 1: Lovada was the Forbidden Dance.
Speaker 8: That was another that was another well, it was a
Speaker 8: forbidden dance. That was the name of the movie. It
Speaker 8: was called the Forbidden Dance. And that was the one
Speaker 8: about like the math teacher that like the dance it was, Yeah,
Speaker 8: it was there was that other lean on Me esque.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: The Principle, like the Principal where.
Speaker 2: He talked them how to dance? How excited looking up?
Speaker 2: I used to watch it.
Speaker 3: Oh god, he was he you don't remember, Like Guru
Speaker 3: was a thug in one of these, like from the
Speaker 3: Wrong Side of the Tracks, like one of them films
Speaker 3: in which John Claud van Dam.
Speaker 2: Was like, oh teacher, that.
Speaker 4: Supreme, that one.
Speaker 2: I don't remember that one in the universe.
Speaker 8: These were all the movies that used to come on HBO,
Speaker 8: like when I would come home and like just you know,
Speaker 8: Latchki kids just waiting for to show up, and like
Speaker 8: I would watch that and like the movie that I
Speaker 8: will still watch no matter when it comes on.
Speaker 2: I will watch The Top of the Bottom Roadhouse House.
Speaker 2: I watched shank to but Road of the Mind always on,
Speaker 2: Enemy Mind with Yes, it was always on. That was
Speaker 2: a weird movie. I didn't watch. It was scary, Okay,
Speaker 2: he was it was alien it was the thing was Tiffy.
Speaker 2: What was your eighty eighties joints to come.
Speaker 4: Yes, Yes, and they gotta get out Yeah tops all
Speaker 4: of them.
Speaker 2: First one, the first one, the second one was like
Speaker 2: and then the third one was just like, okay, why.
Speaker 4: Disney World Wonder World.
Speaker 3: Uh Fante, Yeah, Guru's movie was called it was the
Speaker 3: substitute to Schools Out.
Speaker 2: I remember the substitute. I never saw the sequel.
Speaker 9: The guy from Terminator was in the substitute, wasn't he
Speaker 9: the substitute the guy who played Terminator two?
Speaker 2: Think of the same one.
Speaker 1: This one is would treat Williams.
Speaker 8: Williams Williams, Jeff Speakman, and that nigga Michael what was
Speaker 8: his name?
Speaker 2: Oh my god?
Speaker 8: He was the other eighties dude. That was like on
Speaker 8: HBO Thursday Night Prime, the Actually it was all it
Speaker 8: was all the b rate niggas on the movies. You
Speaker 8: sound like, wait a minute, has made a lot of movies.
Speaker 5: Yo.
Speaker 1: There's a thing called train Ride three, a m urban massacre.
Speaker 2: It's all sounding like winners.
Speaker 4: He was a y p D blues stop.
Speaker 3: Let's have a showing when we go to Fante's backyard
Speaker 3: slash slash Jesus Christ with anyway.
Speaker 4: Tiffany, you promise you come into house.
Speaker 2: Michael. That was his name, Michael, Michael, Michael.
Speaker 5: You're familiar.
Speaker 1: What's on your show?
Speaker 2: Tiffany?
Speaker 4: Be honest, wait that name?
Speaker 10: I know?
Speaker 2: How do you forget you? That's a lot of names. Michael,
Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah, oh god, wait, I gotta I see
Speaker 2: this person.
Speaker 10: Yo.
Speaker 3: You know what Fante Michael Dodakov is the white ver
Speaker 3: version of who's the black actor that somehow always finds
Speaker 3: himself that having to wear drag?
Speaker 1: And he was in Joanna Man.
Speaker 8: Migueluel. Are the actors who I know their faces? Do
Speaker 8: not know their names?
Speaker 2: You know? Yeah? Weird?
Speaker 4: Can I just ask dam MSNBC question before we wrap? Yo?
Speaker 6: Does does Ari Melber ever try to challenge your hip
Speaker 6: hop prow like? How does is everything hip hop all
Speaker 6: the time?
Speaker 4: How does that?
Speaker 5: Wait?
Speaker 2: Aute?
Speaker 3: Wait wait, I just want to let our listeners know
Speaker 3: that the way that was asking the question, she was
Speaker 3: doing the uh the black woman hand thing where goes
Speaker 3: back and forth back and do the hand thing. There's
Speaker 3: some sort of startcasts.
Speaker 4: Just I love Ari and Ari in this.
Speaker 1: Hip hop part is very strong.
Speaker 4: And you'll be like, god, damn everything at a verse.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just curious if you have one time I
Speaker 3: heard him and like my friend Bom Thugs always says.
Speaker 2: Boom boom boom boom boom, what what does this have
Speaker 2: to do with?
Speaker 10: Way that was said out loud? He will always get
Speaker 10: him pull some that's amazing.
Speaker 3: I swear to God like like even doing like the
Speaker 3: the uh impeachments, like in you know, the Morning Words
Speaker 3: of Flavor.
Speaker 1: Flav Yeah, boy, like twice like I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, we get it.
Speaker 4: He's gonna be mad had him here yet. I feel
Speaker 4: like I feel his razed man.
Speaker 1: He'll he'll come in in New York, trust me, he'll.
Speaker 5: I don't think y'all.
Speaker 2: He'll be more.
Speaker 5: He has never he has never challenged my hip hop.
Speaker 5: That would be preposterous. That would be like that would
Speaker 5: be like Blant Devereux challenging beyond dancing, you know, like
Speaker 5: it's that lovely metaphor.
Speaker 2: I love with good white people metaphor. Yeah dope.
Speaker 5: It's really a favorite art because I feel like if
Speaker 5: you start, like, you know, a beef with a person
Speaker 5: who's better known than you, then you know, so I'm
Speaker 5: declaring beef with Ari.
Speaker 2: Yeah fired.
Speaker 4: And the beef AT's house and Christmas.
Speaker 5: Artists show too does all the time.
Speaker 2: He gets fatos like a constant Yeah.
Speaker 3: I like, really, I haven't got my invite yet and
Speaker 3: I've been in that building for twelve years.
Speaker 5: You might not a mirror. If you do ri show
Speaker 5: before you do my show, I will never talk to
Speaker 5: you again. To you, I'm just thank you, thank you
Speaker 5: to you. We gotta talk about Slide in the family Stone.
Speaker 5: Whatever you want to talk about, you come on and
Speaker 5: talk about it.
Speaker 2: I will glad we come on.
Speaker 4: Yes, I was, y'all never said that. Y'all just broke
Speaker 4: in the conversation about Slide.
Speaker 2: Because that's the second film I'm about to direct.
Speaker 5: Thank you. And it was on the GRAM and I
Speaker 5: saw it and I loved it.
Speaker 1: And she don't follow me on the GRAM show I do.
Speaker 4: But he posts a lot and he writes a lot, got.
Speaker 2: A lot to say when he's you know, hey, man,
Speaker 2: what you're watching on TV? Tiff? What what you want?
Speaker 2: What you do to watch?
Speaker 5: I tell you. So I'm rewatching My brother is a
Speaker 5: truck driver, so he has to like pull over and
Speaker 5: watch it. And he was like watching the Wire. He's like,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna watch Sopranos and I'm like, Negro, can you
Speaker 5: watch some current ship so I can watch it with you?
Speaker 5: So I am rewatching Atlanta with him watching it, So yeah,
Speaker 5: I might see one of them.
Speaker 2: He does.
Speaker 5: He loves it. He loves it, and I'm just experiencing
Speaker 5: it again for the second time. Like Donald Lover like
Speaker 5: gave us a lot of gems in this show, but he's.
Speaker 4: He broke our heart with that job. He never coming back.
Speaker 4: Them people gone the season three, but they chasing three.
Speaker 3: Season four are going to be completed. We don't know
Speaker 3: after that, but you know are yelling? Are they They're
Speaker 3: they're committed? Okay, so what what's the okay? Because everyone
Speaker 3: that gives the intelligent, like great answer of what they're watching.
Speaker 3: But then I also noticed that there's a lot of
Speaker 3: of of unsavory shows that we've fallen into. Admitted about
Speaker 3: selling Sunset long ago, and I just recently fell into
Speaker 3: in the evening Verse.
Speaker 1: No, man, I fell into the worst show of I
Speaker 1: can't even believe.
Speaker 2: I'm about the mid this on.
Speaker 5: I'm so curious what you're.
Speaker 3: I don't know how damn is that with the preamble
Speaker 3: just say it. I started watching The Oval.
Speaker 4: Wat you gotta be real black?
Speaker 9: Here's the thing, white people, what's the Oval?
Speaker 2: Watching that sh scandal minus one hundred? It's okay, dancing,
Speaker 2: moving on? What's there?
Speaker 1: Here's here's the thing.
Speaker 3: So Grace got on me, Grace got on me about
Speaker 3: my constant slander sland duration of.
Speaker 1: Of oft Perry are are are our savior? Mister Perry.
Speaker 4: You can't just go tall with dog on them because
Speaker 4: he'd be doing some good stuff.
Speaker 2: Right exactly, And she you know, and I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm running out of shows for lot of people that
Speaker 3: have been super binging during quarantining, like you know, started
Speaker 3: off intelligent, watching all the right and then like you
Speaker 3: run out of options and now you're at the bottom.
Speaker 3: So I was just like, all right, I'm I'm gonna
Speaker 3: watch all these Tyler Perry shows. And I skipped the
Speaker 3: comedies and just wanted to go to the dramas and
Speaker 3: see what was up. And so I started watching What
Speaker 3: Watch Sisters last year? And now I'm watching The Oval.
Speaker 4: You watched good for you?
Speaker 6: You know what?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, you know, can you just like give
Speaker 2: like a two second version of what the Oval is about?
Speaker 3: The Oval is a re imagining of I mean, it's
Speaker 3: kind of his version of Scandal. It's a white president
Speaker 3: and his black wife. There are two biracial kids, a
Speaker 3: black white house staff. But it's like drippeding eighties dynasty.
Speaker 2: Fuck Chris.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so it's.
Speaker 2: Yeah it is, Bill.
Speaker 4: You watch want No Piercer first Na, snow Piercer NA. No,
Speaker 4: really good. I'm just okay because I'm.
Speaker 1: Also watching Snowfall right now.
Speaker 3: I like, Yes, I started Snowfall two weeks ago, so
Speaker 3: I'm still there.
Speaker 2: But good for you Oval God, Yeah it's I'm gonna
Speaker 2: put it low on the list, don't. Yeah it's.
Speaker 3: It's but it's one of those things where it's like,
Speaker 3: you know it's bad, but you're still watching it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's effective, and I.
Speaker 1: Can't get out of that. I can't walk away from.
Speaker 2: You know, I'd like to, but.
Speaker 5: You know, I need a new series, and I'm not
Speaker 5: so convinced on them.
Speaker 2: Did not build a whole too?
Speaker 10: Well?
Speaker 2: There it was.
Speaker 10: It was.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying that. Right now I'm stuck and watching
Speaker 2: like really bad ship.
Speaker 4: And you've always catch up with some good HBO shows,
Speaker 4: the cable shows like I Made, Just Made.
Speaker 2: I watched that Woody Allen Be a Pharaoh doc. Have
Speaker 2: you watched that yet?
Speaker 9: I watched the Yeah, motherfucker, it's a total rethink of
Speaker 9: everything you think about that thing.
Speaker 2: Just do it?
Speaker 5: Really?
Speaker 4: I only thought he did it?
Speaker 2: Is it gonna make me think you would figure my
Speaker 2: judaism with.
Speaker 9: I do not love Woody Allen, and I particularly do
Speaker 9: not love him after watching his documentary go watch it?
Speaker 4: How do you love Woody Allen? When we have Roan
Speaker 4: ferroll on here and he even he was like, I mean,
Speaker 4: you know, I said.
Speaker 2: I don't love I'm like a Jew that doesn't like
Speaker 2: sorry Jews, Like I'm not into it. I don't get it.
Speaker 2: He's annoying. He's like, he's like a baby fucking Larry David.
Speaker 2: Like I can't take it. I can't.
Speaker 4: I love Darry David.
Speaker 6: I love Oh my god, there's something a little sexy
Speaker 6: about Larry if you keep oh my.
Speaker 9: God, wait, tell me why Larry David is attractive, Tiffany, Go,
Speaker 9: you have ten seconds.
Speaker 5: Go because funny, because because he's honest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, your turn.
Speaker 9: That was lame.
Speaker 2: Your turn.
Speaker 6: Because he's honest, he's awkward, he's funny, and he's still tall.
Speaker 2: So he's me.
Speaker 4: Actually yeah, actually perfect.
Speaker 10: I just wanted to know what I thought I knew'body,
Speaker 10: You're not awkward.
Speaker 2: That is the first time I've ever heard that in
Speaker 2: my life.
Speaker 3: All Right, Tiffany, we I feel like you, you actually
Speaker 3: might be stuck with us. In the beginning, I was like,
Speaker 3: that'd be funny. At a seventh person to the show, im.
Speaker 5: Volunteer, as I thought, this was my audition with the
Speaker 5: PR people, and an audition we start, we start with like.
Speaker 4: Maybe once once a month, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: schedule too much.
Speaker 9: I feel like it's good to have someone on the
Speaker 9: show who actually knows what they're talking about, and I
Speaker 9: feel like Tiffany might be that person.
Speaker 2: All Right, Okay, we're not asking you to marry us,
Speaker 2: but we're definitely going to court you a little bit
Speaker 2: on this process in and got a ring.
Speaker 4: I will wear it, all right.
Speaker 10: You heard it.
Speaker 3: You heard it, ladies and gentlemen. We just might and
Speaker 3: Tiffany cross into the circle of Q. Sean will not
Speaker 3: be happy about this.
Speaker 4: That's gonna that's gonna cost you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, it's cost me, now, trust me, nobody else.
Speaker 4: Somebody tell Tiffany. People usually start on this show for free.
Speaker 9: Bill tell us, Yeah, Tiffany, I used to be called
Speaker 9: unpaid Bill, because well, you can you can.
Speaker 2: Differ from what.
Speaker 4: That's not cool Bill.
Speaker 2: I know I had to.
Speaker 9: I had to get my lawyers on it now here
Speaker 9: I am, you know, four hundred later, it's all happened.
Speaker 2: It is happening. I love it.
Speaker 4: I love it Tony's Grammys and me's bucket.
Speaker 3: Bucket, I got this money, this request love money a man.
Speaker 3: This is how you're going to get your You got
Speaker 3: your your, what you got left left for you?
Speaker 2: You got to get Oscar, I don't this year. I'm done.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 8: You got your get Yeah, and you guys, this is
Speaker 8: your because this is what what you got coming, because
Speaker 8: what's nice is coming with me an Oscar, Let's let's
Speaker 8: see what happens.
Speaker 4: Says that I got a homie that says that, you
Speaker 4: know what, I need to catch up.
Speaker 5: I haven't watched some season two of Euphoria yet. Is
Speaker 5: anybody watching?
Speaker 4: Oh, I gotta finish season one. I gotta finish season one.
Speaker 1: But you haven't watched it at all? Front I saw
Speaker 1: the season what not the season?
Speaker 8: I watched the episode, Uh, just kind of the bottle
Speaker 8: episode with her and old boy just at the at
Speaker 8: the at the diner.
Speaker 2: They just want that little thing that they got it.
Speaker 1: You gotta watch the show first, and then I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go back to finish one.
Speaker 3: That that that showed to me perfectly explained, like epigenetics
Speaker 3: and how that affects. Okay, so I mean it's not
Speaker 3: a spoiler, it's not a spoiler alert, but epigenetics. It's
Speaker 3: like how you inherit you scientifically can inherit things from
Speaker 3: your things from your parents.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was born. She was born on nine to
Speaker 2: eleven in two thousand and one.
Speaker 3: And because they had the television on for four days
Speaker 3: in a row, it's very much possible that those four
Speaker 3: days of constantly ingesting that bad news and that that
Speaker 3: that terror turned her into the person that the problem
Speaker 3: person that she is an addict now yea, and yeah,
Speaker 3: it explains it. I how you recommend you know what
Speaker 3: else Tiffany on the show because she can wrap up
Speaker 3: a mirror.
Speaker 2: See, it was like Rodley and Trauma. We got it,
Speaker 2: we got it, thank you, said Tiffany. Will you please
Speaker 2: take us, ladies. This is another episode of course of
Speaker 2: Supreme on behaf of Light.
Speaker 3: Unpaid Bill. Wait, Bill, you had another title. I forgot
Speaker 3: what we called you?
Speaker 2: Oh Fela Kutstein. That was that was Ktstein.
Speaker 4: Our bill used to be in a West African band.
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 1: It's a lot about the people don't know and in
Speaker 1: step up is Jamaica.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and our future member Tiffany Cross, thank you very
Speaker 2: much for doing our show.
Speaker 5: This awesome cross connection.
Speaker 2: All right, we totally to like that.
Speaker 10: I like it.
Speaker 5: Tell everybody to tune into my show. Yes, yes, at
Speaker 5: Saturday mornings ten am Eastern Standard time. We're talking about
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Speaker 2: Cross and send you something nice because she gets enough bullshit.
Speaker 2: She reads it all. Don't read anymore the negative stuff.
Speaker 5: Well it's not overwhelmed because I'm not, like, you know,
Speaker 5: I don't have like millions of people follow me, so
Speaker 5: it's not overwhelming. You know, it's like one hundred email
Speaker 5: and like they're all like, oh, we like your show
Speaker 5: and then three are like, you suck and your voice
Speaker 5: sucks and your show sucks, and I'm like, people don't
Speaker 5: like me. You guys, the loudest voices stand out. So yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 5: thank you. I love you guys. Thank you so much.
Speaker 5: This has been may in my night. I feel this
Speaker 5: is what I would have been doing anyway, just by myself.
Speaker 5: Do one other thing.
Speaker 6: Tell Rachel, Rachel, we said, what's up? And if you
Speaker 6: want to catch up, we have Caribbean.
Speaker 5: You know what can I bring and when I come back,
Speaker 5: can I bring her back? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, all right, I'm bringing her.
Speaker 3: I'm married you officially in now you heard that? All right,
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