Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.
Speaker 2: Arm Strong and Jackie and now he Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 3: I am saying this because I'm really afraid that my
Speaker 3: country's going to be further weakened by this. I think
Speaker 3: we're going to see the end of American empire. Obviously
Speaker 3: other nations would like to see that, and this is
Speaker 3: a perfect way to scuttle the USS America on the
Speaker 3: shoals of Iran, but it's also going to end, I believe,
Speaker 3: Trump's presidency and effectively end it.
Speaker 4: Trump responded to Tucker Carlson, call him kooky, and nobody
Speaker 4: knows what he said, get a TV show. I think
Speaker 4: he said Tucker has got way bigger following than if
Speaker 4: he had a TV show. Actually, so if he had
Speaker 4: a TV show, it would be very popular and he
Speaker 4: would have his following online, so he would be bigger maybe,
Speaker 4: But he's better. He's bigger than any of the current
Speaker 4: TV shows out there.
Speaker 2: He just is. It's just statistically true.
Speaker 4: So this segment, we're going to really get into the
Speaker 4: whole various shades of MAGA and that whole thing, And
Speaker 4: is Trump betraying America first by wanting to go to
Speaker 4: war with Iran, which he seems to be hell bent on,
Speaker 4: And I'm I think he's right. And for instance, here's
Speaker 4: Tulcy Gabbard in a hearing a little while back saying
Speaker 4: Iran's not going to get a bomb.
Speaker 1: The ICY continues to assess that Iran is not building
Speaker 1: a nuclear weapon, and Supreme Leader Kamani has not authorized
Speaker 1: the nuclear weapons program that he suspended in two thousand
Speaker 1: and three. The ICY continues to monitor closely if Tehran
Speaker 1: decides to reauthorize its nuclear weapons program.
Speaker 4: So I see the international community, that intelligence community, intelligence community. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't think that's right. But anyway, here Trump was
Speaker 4: asking about delusion. Yeah, here's Trump responding to his DNI,
Speaker 4: the Director of National Intelligence, she has access to everything,
Speaker 4: saying Iran's not about to get a bomb.
Speaker 2: Here's what Trump says about that. How close do you
Speaker 2: personally think that they were to get it on?
Speaker 5: Because Tulsa Gartt testified at March the intelligence community said
Speaker 5: Ran wasn't going into pure beverage.
Speaker 2: What she said, I think they.
Speaker 4: Trump says, I don't care what she said when she
Speaker 4: testified that Iran's not closing to getting above Trump decided.
Speaker 2: I think they're very close to having one.
Speaker 4: He said, yeah, So he's speaking about the intelligence around
Speaker 4: the most important issue right now, in the biggest decision
Speaker 4: of his entire presidency. The first person you would go
Speaker 4: to would be the DNIS. Like I said, they have
Speaker 4: access to all of it in all the different departments.
Speaker 4: And he says, I don't care what she said because
Speaker 4: she's wrong, right, He's basically just saying, I mean he's
Speaker 4: he's basically saying, she's part of that non interventionists don't
Speaker 4: ever attack anybody crowd that I kind of catered to.
Speaker 5: But in this case, I don't believe is right. She
Speaker 5: cannot be in her job a week from now.
Speaker 4: But just to make it more complicated, I would agree
Speaker 4: to make it more complicated. You got John Fetterman, Democratic Senator,
Speaker 4: arguing that supporting Israel and taking down the regime in
Speaker 4: Iran will be the key to lasting piece in Middle East.
Speaker 2: He's pro regime change, not just.
Speaker 4: Bombing, but regime change, which of course is a dirty
Speaker 4: phrase for a lot of people after.
Speaker 2: Iraq, which I saw somebody point out earlier.
Speaker 4: You have a whole bunch of hosts on cable news
Speaker 4: who are four years old when the regime change in
Speaker 4: Iraq has because that was twenty three years ago, twenty
Speaker 4: two years ago. So if you're twenty eight, you were
Speaker 4: five when that happens. On it's say, it's history to you.
Speaker 4: Another interesting wrinkle from Who's Where on Politics and Weird
Speaker 4: Bedfellows Josh Rogan, who we generally really like, although I
Speaker 4: don't agree with everything he said a lot from The
Speaker 4: Washington Post said, if Trump attacks Iran based on a
Speaker 4: flimsy claim of preemption, what after running on a foreign
Speaker 4: policy criticizing Bush for attacking a raq on a flimsy
Speaker 4: claim of preemption, he either has no core principles or
Speaker 4: has no clue what he's doing, or both scary times,
Speaker 4: How is it think comparing.
Speaker 2: Those two is? It's a canard, It's not accurate.
Speaker 4: How the hell is it a flimsy claim of preemption
Speaker 4: when the IAEA and everybody has been reporting that they're
Speaker 4: very close to getting a.
Speaker 5: Bomb, When both the Ayatola and the chief negotiator of
Speaker 5: Haran said one thing we're not going to give up
Speaker 5: is enrichment. You don't enrich uranium to get the light
Speaker 5: bulbs to light up and have civilian electricity.
Speaker 2: You do it to build a nuclear weapon. Period. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I don't know if Josh is off his rock or what,
Speaker 5: but I completely disagree with him on this.
Speaker 2: I will concede this point.
Speaker 5: And it's a the idea that this could lead to
Speaker 5: regime change in Iran than what?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 5: What is a penny door's box of Middle East style?
Speaker 5: God help us?
Speaker 2: Do we have to? Well, Iran can't have the bomb.
Speaker 4: No, that's the bottom line, and that's what makes the
Speaker 4: decision easier. No matter what happens, there's nothing that is
Speaker 4: worse than letting them get a nuclear weapon, is there?
Speaker 2: Well, that's the question I think. I don't think it's possible.
Speaker 4: I can't even imagine a scenario that would be worse
Speaker 4: than Iran getting the bomb.
Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson disagrees with you.
Speaker 4: Even if it devolved into full Iraq chaos, which I
Speaker 4: seems incredibly unlikely to me, that would be better, wouldn't
Speaker 4: it than Iran getting a nuclear weapon?
Speaker 5: Depends who ends up in charge. You know what happens
Speaker 5: five ten years down the line. But no, I agree
Speaker 5: with you. It's not an open and shutcase. But I agree.
Speaker 5: A couple of notes very quickly from the online world.
Speaker 5: First of all, I came across this the great David Berg,
Speaker 5: Iowahawk blogger. The worst consequence of the Internet is the
Speaker 5: almost universal delusion that your opinions are shared by the majority.
Speaker 5: Once again, the worst consequence of the Internet is an
Speaker 5: almost universal delusion that your opinions are shared.
Speaker 2: By the majority.
Speaker 5: It's even worse than that, though, David, It's that my
Speaker 5: opinions are shared by enough people that they're right anyway,
Speaker 5: He says. The countdown of the top four sufferers of
Speaker 5: acute delusions of popularity Number four, transactivists number three true
Speaker 5: uh yeah, no kidding, and then the stupid idiot corporations
Speaker 5: that believe that well they had the media in education
Speaker 5: too anyway. Moving along, Number three Neo Nazi podcast bros.
Speaker 5: Number two campus garbage babies.
Speaker 2: What's a garbage baby?
Speaker 5: It's your It's I don't know, it's your campus cafea
Speaker 5: wearing dopes.
Speaker 2: Number one Caitlin Clark haters.
Speaker 5: An He mentions, there's this weird cult of paleo WNBA
Speaker 5: fans who are literally trying to organize a boycott for
Speaker 5: people to not watch games featuring Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 2: Good luck with that.
Speaker 5: That is the reason I bring that up is that's
Speaker 5: a pretty good encapsulation of the Internet. It's an echo
Speaker 5: chamber for everyone, no matter how stupid their opinions.
Speaker 2: And the algorithms.
Speaker 4: Algorithms are built to feed you people that agree with you,
Speaker 4: to help reinforce it.
Speaker 5: The whole for you, you know, section at Twitter for instance.
Speaker 5: So anyway, as Maga America is at each other's throats
Speaker 5: over the whole helping Israel thing.
Speaker 4: Jacob, I gotta jump in on that because you just
Speaker 4: said this drives me crazy. This is just the way
Speaker 4: politics works. But you always claim that the other side
Speaker 4: is doing something unique to them and it doesn't happen
Speaker 4: with you. I watch MSNBC and CNNA fair amount lots
Speaker 4: of discussion about the civil war within the Republican Party
Speaker 4: and how was a problem from the get go that
Speaker 4: the magamum Maga movement is a coalition of different groups
Speaker 4: that don't agree and it's coming apart and blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: Are you gonna tell me the Democratic Party hasn't been
Speaker 4: a coalition of groups that don't agree forever.
Speaker 2: Right, give me a break.
Speaker 5: Virtually every political party, every political party, yes, but the
Speaker 5: Democrats especially. Oh yeah, yeah, what a trans people have
Speaker 5: to do with militant Muslims in Hamtramck, Michigan, for instance,
Speaker 5: church going boy in the same party. That's what they
Speaker 5: have in common. Yeah, church go will go ahead and
Speaker 5: finish that up.
Speaker 4: Church going black women who are the least likely to
Speaker 4: support any of this trans stuff, or even gay marriage
Speaker 4: for that matter.
Speaker 2: With all the other people with queers for Palestine, Yes,
Speaker 2: in the same political party.
Speaker 4: Right, okay, Union leaders who had to hate illegal immigration.
Speaker 5: I mean, there's all kinds of examples, so really interesting
Speaker 5: study of how this works. Jade Vance is just tweeted, Look,
Speaker 5: I'm seeing this from the inside and admittedly biased towards
Speaker 5: our president and my friend, but there's a lot of
Speaker 5: crazy stuff on social media, so I want to address
Speaker 5: some things directly on the Iran issue. Then he gets
Speaker 5: into the whole enrichment thing and he says is he
Speaker 5: said repeatedly this would happen one of two ways they
Speaker 5: can't have I'm sorry. First, Potus has been amazingly consistent
Speaker 5: over ten years that Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon.
Speaker 5: Over the last few months, he encouraged his foreign policy
Speaker 5: team to reach a deal with the Uranians to accomplish
Speaker 5: this goal. The President has made clear that Iran cannot
Speaker 5: have uranium enrichment, and he said repeatedly that this would
Speaker 5: happen one of two ways, the easy way or the
Speaker 5: other way. And then he gets into the whole enrichment question,
Speaker 5: which we've already dealt with. It's one thing to want
Speaker 5: civilian energy. It's another thing to demand sophisticated enrichment capability.
Speaker 5: It's still another thing to cling to enrichment while simultaneously
Speaker 5: violating basic non proliferation obligations and enriching right to the
Speaker 5: point of weapons grade uranium. Josh Rogan, I've yet to
Speaker 5: see a single good argument for why Iran needs to
Speaker 5: enrich uranium well above the threshold for civilian use. I've
Speaker 5: yet to see a single good argument for why Iran
Speaker 5: was justified in violating his non proliferation obligations. I've yet
Speaker 5: to see a single good pushback against the IAEA's findings. Meanwhile,
Speaker 5: the President has shown remarkable restraint in keeping our militaries
Speaker 5: focused on protecting our troops and protecting our citizens. He
Speaker 5: may decide he needs to take further action and Iranian enrichment.
Speaker 5: That decision belongs to the president. And of course people
Speaker 5: are right to be worried about foreign entanglements after the
Speaker 5: last twenty five years of idiotic foreign policy tippiness.
Speaker 2: Gap toward that crowd, which.
Speaker 5: Is fine, it's a good point, But I believe the
Speaker 5: president has earned some trust on this issue. Having seen
Speaker 5: this up close and personal, I can assure you that
Speaker 5: he is only interested in using the American military to
Speaker 5: accomplish the American people's goals.
Speaker 2: Whatever he does, that is his focus. And so that
Speaker 2: is interesting.
Speaker 5: But the reaction, including some pretty significant accounts.
Speaker 2: One guy says, yeah, it makes sense to me. Death
Speaker 2: to America. He can't get away with it. Then this other.
Speaker 5: Blue check mark Twitter account, he has a bunch of
Speaker 5: tweets over the ears from Trump's from Trump in order
Speaker 5: to get elected, Barack Obama will start a war with Iran.
Speaker 5: Barack Obama will attack Iran in order to get reelected.
Speaker 5: A year later, I've predicted President Obama will at some
Speaker 5: point attack Iran in order to save face.
Speaker 2: There's a list of them that he shows.
Speaker 5: That's interesting, nice words, but it's still another war in
Speaker 5: the Middle East provoked by the Israelis.
Speaker 2: That will suck up a lot of resources.
Speaker 5: People are just tired of seeing Israel first, not America first.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: So that other stuff about how he criticized Obama or
Speaker 4: Bush forgetting US involved in wars, Okay, fine, leave that
Speaker 4: to political historians or something. Let's get back to the
Speaker 4: bottom line we started with. Iran can't have a nuclear weapon.
Speaker 4: I don't care who said whatever, doesn't make any difference.
Speaker 4: Iran can't have a nuclear weapon. Now the President coming
Speaker 4: out yesterday and saying, look, I invented America first, I
Speaker 4: get to define it. It is America first to stop
Speaker 4: around from getting a nuclear weapon. I Jack Armstrong agree
Speaker 4: with that position.
Speaker 2: JD.
Speaker 4: Van and he doesn't need ever run again. So you know,
Speaker 4: if he loses a chunk of people whatever JD. Vance
Speaker 4: is in a different situation, he can't lose that hole.
Speaker 4: We don't get involved in war'st crowd if he's going
Speaker 4: to run for president in a couple of years.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: Interesting, The only pushback to JD that I've seen on
Speaker 5: the IAEA thing saying that Iran is clearly trying as
Speaker 5: fast as they can to get a nuke that's the
Speaker 5: fing UN's conclusion. So JD says, I haven't seen a
Speaker 5: single good pushback, and somebody says it was contrary to
Speaker 5: what our own DNI says. Can you help clarify? Well, right, yeah,
Speaker 5: Telsey Gabbard in March test. If I know they're not,
Speaker 5: she's going to be gone by the end of the week.
Speaker 4: So you take the word of Telsey Gabbard over the president.
Speaker 4: I do know from that crowd though, because I know
Speaker 4: a couple of people personally that a part of the
Speaker 4: you know, maybe some of you, the Tucker, Candice Owens,
Speaker 4: whatever crowd, Alex Jones, which we're about to talk about.
Speaker 2: They think I've had a person tell me this to
Speaker 2: my face.
Speaker 4: It proves that Trump is on the Epstein list and
Speaker 4: they have information about him that he has now flipped
Speaker 4: and had to go the other direction.
Speaker 5: Okay, I don't even have time to refute that because
Speaker 5: the people that hold the cards on the whole Epstein
Speaker 5: thing have him dangling at the end of their puppet strings.
Speaker 5: You are being manipulated by people who are smarter than you,
Speaker 5: that know how to trip your trigger.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I know that's hurtful.
Speaker 5: It's much easier to fools people than to convince them
Speaker 5: they're being fooled, but they.
Speaker 4: Are anyway going to get to some text four one, five,
Speaker 4: two nine five k FTC you today with a decent
Speaker 4: chance of drones driving. That's the Iranian NewsCap series.
Speaker 2: In the middle of her uh.
Speaker 4: Her report on the latest stoning at the soccer stadium
Speaker 4: or whatever she was doing the Iranian news and the
Speaker 4: drone hit from a Iran from Israel.
Speaker 5: I'm enjoying some of the memes. It sounded like angry
Speaker 5: ranting about how you will now we all not bow
Speaker 5: to you. Alla will protect us, No bomb will reach us.
Speaker 2: Kerbloey.
Speaker 4: So we got a number of texts very interesting on
Speaker 4: this topic of going to war with Iran or not.
Speaker 4: I taken a decent amount of Candace Owens and Joe
Speaker 4: Rogan and they are not saying Trump is doing this
Speaker 4: due to the Epstein list. I just said, I know
Speaker 4: two people that follow that world of Candas Owans and
Speaker 4: Tucker Carlson and they and they have said that. But
Speaker 4: it's interesting to me that this person lumps Candas Owens
Speaker 4: and Joe Rogan together. I don't see that at all.
Speaker 4: Joe Rogan has those people on. But I've never got
Speaker 4: the sense that he believes everything they say. Another text,
Speaker 4: After trillion's and dollar dollars and thousands of lives wasted
Speaker 4: over the years in Iraq and Afghanistan, you're really this
Speaker 4: hung gung ho about the US jumping into the fray
Speaker 4: and doing a repeat in Iran a repeat. The repeat
Speaker 4: would be there were no weapons of mass destruction. So
Speaker 4: you think there are no there's no nuclear program or
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 5: And you think Donald Trump's going to try to install
Speaker 5: a Jeffersonian democracy in Iraq, like George w did, No.
Speaker 5: I reject your premise. It's a dumb question.
Speaker 4: Next, Alex Jones just tweeted out a picture of him
Speaker 4: and Tucker as he was on Tucker's show. I am
Speaker 4: proud that Tucker Carlson is standing his ground against the psychotic,
Speaker 4: warmongering neo cons that have brought the world to the
Speaker 4: verge of thermo nuclear armageddon.
Speaker 5: By preventing Iran from having a new exactly.
Speaker 4: So, yes, we're bringing the world to the edge of
Speaker 4: a nuclear war the country that doesn't have nukes because
Speaker 4: we're stopping them from getting news.
Speaker 5: Exactly is that they've been making that plea about Russia
Speaker 5: and Ukraine too.
Speaker 4: Right, and Russia does have nukes obviously, does Alex Jones
Speaker 4: and Tucker Carlson do they believe that? Do they believe
Speaker 4: things would be fine if you let a Ran get
Speaker 4: a nuclear weapon?
Speaker 2: I really don't know.
Speaker 5: Alex Jones, in his famous lawsuit his trial, had to
Speaker 5: admit that, look, I say all sorts of stuff. I
Speaker 5: don't believe that's true. He did say that, right. Wow,
Speaker 5: it's like I'm playing a character. Yeah, I'm playing a character.
Speaker 5: I'm pandering to a certain set of people who want
Speaker 5: to believe certain things. So I tell them what they
Speaker 5: want to believe, and I sell enormous amounts of you know,
Speaker 5: subscriptions and advertising in the rest of that to them.
Speaker 5: Now again, as I said the other hour, I guess
Speaker 5: there are some people. I think our ninety percent grifter
Speaker 5: and ten percent sincere, there's someho or the other, or
Speaker 5: even one hundred percent since here.
Speaker 2: They're just misguided and wrong. Wow.
Speaker 4: It'd be interesting to see how this plays out over
Speaker 4: the next couple of days, because it's coming.
Speaker 2: It's gonna happen, Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 6: Given the fact that Israel and Iran you're engaged in
Speaker 6: a very active conflict right now in the short term,
Speaker 6: How do you declare victory? What is or defined victory?
Speaker 6: What is your definition of victory?
Speaker 4: Right now?
Speaker 7: The ability to destroy Israel through nuclear weapons and ballistic
Speaker 7: missiles is eliminator.
Speaker 2: That's the victory. That's our victory.
Speaker 7: And if the people in Iran then choose a different government,
Speaker 7: it's going to be great for the entire Middle East
Speaker 7: and really for the world, because the people of the
Speaker 7: Middle East want normalization with Israel and Israel wants nothing
Speaker 7: more than normalization with its neighborhood.
Speaker 2: That's an open question.
Speaker 4: I think we went through the air spring just because
Speaker 4: the regime has changed. The one that replaces it might
Speaker 4: not be better for the world, So you can't state
Speaker 4: that openly. But the idea that this ends when they
Speaker 4: no longer can have a nuke that makes good sense
Speaker 4: to me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, your whole regime change statement is absolutely true
Speaker 5: because we have made that statement to in reference to
Speaker 5: you know, people who think you can like boot out
Speaker 5: to the United States government or something and it'll become
Speaker 5: this paradise or that paradise Marxist or whatever. Now, the
Speaker 5: history of that sort of thing is bad. You destabilize things,
Speaker 5: and the power vacuum can suck something even worse into
Speaker 5: the seats of power, over and over again.
Speaker 4: See France from seventeen eighty nine until Napoleon arrived.
Speaker 5: And so the guy who asked is somewhat bligerent question
Speaker 5: before the break that I answered rudely and dismissively. I'm
Speaker 5: sure he's thinking, well, wait a minute, you're making my
Speaker 5: point for me. Would you like to reset that briefly?
Speaker 2: Do you remember it was about I don't remember.
Speaker 5: Oh, the guy said, oh, so you wanna you want
Speaker 5: to do another iraq? Hey, you want to get sucked
Speaker 5: into another you know, quagmire of a just replicate a
Speaker 5: rock and uh And I wish you had that in
Speaker 5: front of you, because it was asked in the typical
Speaker 5: online belligerent This is simple and if you don't get
Speaker 5: this your stupid way, which is why I responded in
Speaker 5: a yeah, you're stupid way. If I were to ask
Speaker 5: that question more uh, reasonably and intelligently, it would be Dudes,
Speaker 5: in what ways do you believe this is a different
Speaker 5: situation than the weapons of mass destruction in a rock
Speaker 5: or given the experience of a rock how can you
Speaker 5: advocate for attacking Iran?
Speaker 2: This seems similar.
Speaker 5: Now, that's the way like a civilized human would ask
Speaker 5: the question, and here's the response, and it's it's book length.
Speaker 5: So I'll summarize. The One thing about the Iraq experience
Speaker 5: is there are mistakes made so monumentally stupid it's difficult
Speaker 5: to believe they happened.
Speaker 4: Starting with, they had like three months of funding planned
Speaker 4: for the war after Sadom was booted out, like it'll
Speaker 4: be over, everything will be fine, and we'll just leave.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got George W. Bush.
Speaker 5: And and you know, if I had to leave my life,
Speaker 5: my fortune, my children in the hands of one man,
Speaker 5: George W. Bush or Donald Trump, it would well, if
Speaker 5: it was my fortune, it'd probably be Trump. But in
Speaker 5: terms of being a good, decent, moral human being, I
Speaker 5: think George Bush wins by a mile sure, which led
Speaker 5: him down the garden path.
Speaker 2: He had this.
Speaker 5: Unbelievably silly idea that the people of the Middle East,
Speaker 5: including fundamentalist Muslims, just couldn't wait for Jeffersonian democracy.
Speaker 4: Well, and you know Dick Cheney famously saying I think
Speaker 4: will be greeted by liberators. Well, I think we were liberators. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but immediately they all, Okay, who's in charge. Now I'm
Speaker 4: in charge and no, no, no, you're not. I'm in charge.
Speaker 4: And that happened, like it always happens. Somebody's going to
Speaker 4: be in charge, and if you don't agree, sometimes you
Speaker 4: got a war over it.
Speaker 2: It's called the Civil war.
Speaker 5: Well, and the de bathification of the government of Iraq
Speaker 5: was one of the most monumentally stupid moves that's ever
Speaker 5: been made in world history. They essentially said, well, if
Speaker 5: you're a member of the Bath Party, which is Saddam's party,
Speaker 5: then you can't be part of the government. Well, that
Speaker 5: was the entire government, from the people who like handed
Speaker 5: out paychecks to civil servants, to the army generals, to
Speaker 5: the school lunch program people. They were all in the
Speaker 5: Bath part. It was a single party efing government. It's
Speaker 5: such a to dismantle that and say all right, let's
Speaker 5: restart now, except this Sar decision.
Speaker 4: It's such a crapshoot and so complicated. The Soviet Union falling.
Speaker 4: It seems like if you ran that experiment a thousand
Speaker 4: times you would get the peaceful result we ended up with.
Speaker 4: Once where the Soviet Union fell, and it didn't fall
Speaker 4: into the hands of crazy oligarchs going to war with
Speaker 4: each other and some of them had nukes or.
Speaker 5: All kinds of different things that could happened, but it didn't. Yeah,
Speaker 5: that that's a separate discussion for another day. But it's
Speaker 5: crazy interesting.
Speaker 4: I'm just thinking about ill Ran if this, if this
Speaker 4: regime falls, is it going to be Is it gonna
Speaker 4: be like the Soviet Union where somebody steps in that
Speaker 4: everybody recognizes, Okay, you're the leader, and law and order
Speaker 4: in the streets continues, et cetera.
Speaker 2: Or is it going to be more like a rack.
Speaker 5: Well, it's got to be approached with brutal realism, friends,
Speaker 5: that's what's going to make it different, aside from some
Speaker 5: of the particulars that are different, but it's got to
Speaker 5: be brutal realism. You let anybody who's part of the
Speaker 5: government structure that makes the country run that says, hey,
Speaker 5: I'm glad those mullas are gone. I'm gonna keep doing
Speaker 5: my job and showing up. That's number one. You keep
Speaker 5: the country functioning in a way that doesn't create an
Speaker 5: enormous power vacuum in the streets. Secondly, you recognize Concentrated
Speaker 5: enthusiasm is often how one group gets to power over
Speaker 5: another one, and in the Middle East it's the fundamentalist
Speaker 5: Muslim lunatics who usually have that concentrated enthusiasm, like, oh.
Speaker 2: What's his name? Al Baker or fat You remember fat
Speaker 2: Head in Iran?
Speaker 5: What was his name? I can't remember, It'll pop into
Speaker 5: my head. She leader, He had very close ties to Iran,
Speaker 5: the guy in Irakaman. Anyway, you've got to be brutally
Speaker 5: realistic that those people are gonna come gun and for power,
Speaker 5: and you have to have a plan to suppress them.
Speaker 5: I remember being fed the line, and I think inside
Speaker 5: the White House the actual Neokans believed this Iraq is
Speaker 5: really a secular society. I mean people, I mean people
Speaker 5: are sites and Sunni's like you're a Baptist and I'm
Speaker 5: a Lutheran. Well that was because Saddam repressed them like crazy.
Speaker 5: And now those lessons having been learned, you know, whether
Speaker 5: Trump and the Israelis and the Gulf States just.
Speaker 2: Somebody has got.
Speaker 5: To approach it in a realistic way and not make
Speaker 5: the horrific mistakes of Iraq.
Speaker 4: Even if you took a religion out of it, which
Speaker 4: is a hell of an even if since it's a
Speaker 4: theocracy for the last forty some years, Even if you
Speaker 4: took that out of it. Though, whoever's in charge of
Speaker 4: the army might decide I want to be the leader,
Speaker 4: and the person who's in charge of the Revolutionary Guard
Speaker 4: might say, no, you're not, I'm going to and they
Speaker 4: go to war like you've hardly ever seen before for
Speaker 4: the next ten years, trying to decide who's going to
Speaker 4: run the place.
Speaker 2: That's absolutely true.
Speaker 5: And then, you know you, folks, we historians are going
Speaker 5: to say, would we better have been better off just
Speaker 5: letting Iran have the new No, I don't think so.
Speaker 5: Having to sign agreements non aggression packs like the other
Speaker 5: nuclear powers on Earth an uneasy relationship, but blah, blah blah,
Speaker 5: the difference being that the Mullas mean what they say.
Speaker 5: A lot of those people are actual religious fanatics.
Speaker 4: But the classic Caesar crossing the Rubicon moment was he
Speaker 4: decided to take his army after whoop an ass all
Speaker 4: over the place. You know what, I'm going to run
Speaker 4: the Roman Empire and crossed the river headed back into
Speaker 4: the country and everybody knew, okay, it's on. He ended
Speaker 4: up winning. But yeah, sometimes the generals decide they want
Speaker 4: to be in charge.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I suspect that that's what will happen, So
Speaker 5: it would be a fair question. Then if our questioner
Speaker 5: were to follow up, he'd say, all right, so how
Speaker 5: do you see the post regime change Iran taking shape?
Speaker 5: That isn't way worse for humanity than if they got
Speaker 5: the nuke.
Speaker 2: It's a great question. It's impossible to answer.
Speaker 5: I mean, I could spin you out a scenario, but
Speaker 5: it's unlikely to happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: It is a classic example of being caught between a
Speaker 5: rock and a hard place, having two absolutely awful alternatives.
Speaker 5: There's a certain school of thought you run into a lot,
Speaker 5: especially online, that likes to pretend not making a decision
Speaker 5: is not a decision in and of itself, that if
Speaker 5: you don't make.
Speaker 2: It, that Obama's really right? Is Obama? Don't do stupid s?
Speaker 2: Was their motto?
Speaker 4: Okay, well, not doing stupid s allows Russia to just
Speaker 4: keep gobbling up land.
Speaker 5: For instance, the late great Neil peart, if you decide
Speaker 5: to this is well, if you don't make a decision,
Speaker 5: you've still made a choice. And there is a belief
Speaker 5: I think that if you just don't act, everything's frozen
Speaker 5: in amber, and that the status quo continues.
Speaker 2: It's it's not.
Speaker 4: True, no, no, in your child rearing, marriage, career, whatever
Speaker 4: it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, two miserable options. Pick one. That's life.
Speaker 4: I think Mark Alpern wrote this today. I think we
Speaker 4: agree that the most likely scenario is the United States
Speaker 4: is going to help Israel here in the next forty
Speaker 4: eight to seventy two hours bomb the but Jesus out
Speaker 4: of Fordoh to the point that it can't make a
Speaker 4: nuclear weapon, and and we're gonna we're going to help
Speaker 4: in that.
Speaker 2: Now. I assume at that point we're done.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there will be diplomacy and aid and that sort
Speaker 5: of thing, and pulling of strings behind the scenes, trying
Speaker 5: to either get a more friendly regime in place, or
Speaker 5: just saying, all right, mullas, if you can still run,
Speaker 5: if your people will still let you run the place,
Speaker 5: go ahead and run the place. Just remember what happened.
Speaker 5: If you try to get a nuke again, it's gonna
Speaker 5: happen again. You want to keep to yourself and like
Speaker 5: revive your economy and be reasonably friendly to the nations
Speaker 5: around you, Go ahead, knock yourself out. Don't try to
Speaker 5: get a new kigin.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to be open minded for the other side
Speaker 4: because I'm pretty hard shore. I think this is a
Speaker 4: good idea. You know, nobody saw what was coming in
Speaker 4: Iraq in that Isis was gonna get created and become
Speaker 4: a thing. Maybe there's some sheite version of that that
Speaker 4: comes out of Iran when you unleash the dogs of
Speaker 4: war that nobody could possibly imagine with a year's long
Speaker 4: insurgency of a deaf Cultis sheeite version of this?
Speaker 2: Who knows?
Speaker 5: Not impossible. Nope, I didn't see ices coming to anybody else.
Speaker 5: Don't disband the army that would.
Speaker 4: Help let them go to work. And she said it'd
Speaker 4: be better than isis anyway, we will finish strong next.
Speaker 4: You can always text on this topic. This is a
Speaker 4: thorny one.
Speaker 2: This is a big deal. This is I do.
Speaker 4: I absolutely agree with the idea that this is the
Speaker 4: biggest decision of Trump's life that he's going to be making,
Speaker 4: depending on how it plays out. Our text line is
Speaker 4: four one five two nine KFTC.
Speaker 8: A man was recently arrested at a Florida strip club
Speaker 8: after he allegedly called nine one one from a private
Speaker 8: room to complain that he had to pay three hundred
Speaker 8: dollars but the dancer refused to have sex with them.
Speaker 2: Of course, it's still Florida.
Speaker 8: Nine one one, so I'm sure they were like, try
Speaker 8: five hundred.
Speaker 4: So God, it's hard to not continue on this same theme.
Speaker 4: We don't usually cover one topic this much, but this
Speaker 4: is new. President Trump just tweeted out he actually did
Speaker 4: a different whatever I'm gonna call everything a tweet that
Speaker 4: comes out like this fine.
Speaker 2: Donald Trump said.
Speaker 4: We now have complete and total control over the skies
Speaker 4: over Iran. I read that and said to Joe, I
Speaker 4: think the key word there is we. So somebody apparently
Speaker 4: thought the we stuck out. Also, he didn't say Israel
Speaker 4: has complete control over the skies over ran, so somebody asked,
Speaker 4: According to a White House official, though we that President
Speaker 4: Trump is referring to here is the United States, not Israel.
Speaker 2: HM.
Speaker 4: So so Trump meant to say, we, the United States
Speaker 4: now have complete control over the skies of Iran.
Speaker 5: Therefore, we are willing to send in our b twos
Speaker 5: with the moab bombs. I got is the unspoken end
Speaker 5: of that sentence. I guess, so my final thought on
Speaker 5: the previous discussion is that there's got to be something
Speaker 5: transitional if indeed the current regime falls, and you've got
Speaker 5: to it's got to be a temporary quote unquote military
Speaker 5: dictatorship with people we can work with. We assure there's security,
Speaker 5: tell them you just keep stability, don't try to go
Speaker 5: for a bomb. We'll make sure none of the Arab
Speaker 5: states decide they want snatch up your oil refineries or whatever.
Speaker 5: And you go forward from there. It's a likely choice,
Speaker 5: but it's a good one. Greed heads because the military
Speaker 5: Iran is a bunch of greed heads. They make tons
Speaker 5: of money. They have a like a societal hold on
Speaker 5: big chunks of the economy.
Speaker 2: There are number of countries that are like that. It's
Speaker 2: very typical.
Speaker 5: But you deal with the greed heads, not the religious fanatics.
Speaker 5: The greed heads you know how to deal with.
Speaker 4: If there's an LCC in Iran like there was in Egypt,
Speaker 4: to take over after m bark the dictator fell, I
Speaker 4: don't know if there's one person or they'll be warring
Speaker 4: amongst themselves as we talk.
Speaker 2: Ol There may have been last week, but they're all
Speaker 2: on now.
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Speaker 4: will know so much, so much, sooner than you'll ever
Speaker 4: get it from cable news or the newspaper.
Speaker 2: I look at it constantly anyway. They have this, Joe,
Speaker 2: you'll like this.
Speaker 4: Internet and cellultor outages occurring right now across Iran admitst
Speaker 4: reports Iran Cyber Authority that they are currently under a
Speaker 4: large scale cyber attack from Israel. So their cellutor outages
Speaker 4: and they're in celliator and internet has gone down. That
Speaker 4: might be the leading thing before we start bombing today,
Speaker 4: like in the next couple hours.
Speaker 5: They have Israel has the cyber equivalent of a pager
Speaker 5: in every network, every system in Iran, and it's about
Speaker 5: to shut it down.
Speaker 2: That's my guess, something like that.
Speaker 4: Before we, along with Israel bomb the but Jesus out
Speaker 4: of them. Can you say when you got Jews bombing Muslims?
Speaker 5: Probably not, Yes, you can, you can absolutely free speech,
Speaker 5: my friend defended.
Speaker 2: Final thought.
Speaker 4: Yeah, here's your host for final thoughts, Joe Getty.
Speaker 5: Let's get a final thought from everybody on the crew
Speaker 5: to wrap things up for the day. There he is
Speaker 5: Michael Angelo pressing the button as Michael Well.
Speaker 2: That news kind of ruined my final thing.
Speaker 5: I was gonna guess that they were gonna text everybody
Speaker 5: if they had wont to prize, send them.
Speaker 2: All to one building and the blow up the building.
Speaker 2: I'll give the Super Bowl tickets. This classic Katie Green knows.
Speaker 5: Something about law enforcement and that sort of thing. Our
Speaker 5: esteemed newswoman, Katie final thought has nothing to.
Speaker 2: Do with law enforcement.
Speaker 4: But I did just write grape nuts down on my
Speaker 4: grocery list for today.
Speaker 2: I love grape nuts. Yeah, I hope you your teeth
Speaker 2: are good and harden.
Speaker 4: They are bland and you need tough teeth. Jack final
Speaker 4: thought for us, I'll look into the picture of Tucker
Speaker 4: Carlson with Alex Jones. Alex Jones lost a ton of weight,
Speaker 4: looks fantastic, and he's no zimpic guy, I think, or
Speaker 4: one of those drugs.
Speaker 2: Man, Why aren't we all doing that? We all got
Speaker 2: to get on that. My final thought. You know me,
Speaker 2: I'm kind of a real estate freak. I love it.
Speaker 5: If you were thinking of purchasing a property anywhere near
Speaker 5: the fod Oh reactor in Iran, I would hold off.
Speaker 2: I would go ahead and wait week before you sign
Speaker 2: that contract.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you're going to vacation and do an airbnb
Speaker 4: somewhere near.
Speaker 2: There, right, get a tour of the reactor. That sort
Speaker 2: of thing in Richmond's.
Speaker 4: Site Armstrong and Getty wrapping about. Oh they're grueling for
Speaker 4: our workday.
Speaker 5: It's housed within a mountain that's soon to be a
Speaker 5: former mountain. So many people who thanks so little time
Speaker 5: go to Armstrong geddy dot com hot links. Are there
Speaker 5: our email address that we linked to a mail bag
Speaker 5: at Armstrong and geddy dot com. You disagree, we want
Speaker 5: to hear from you. Make your points.
Speaker 4: You know that will be a spectacular show if it
Speaker 4: goes down the way we think our planes with some
Speaker 4: of the biggest bunker busters that exist.
Speaker 2: On Earth, over and over and over again. That'll be
Speaker 2: something to watch. We'll see tomorrow.
Speaker 4: God bless America.
Speaker 2: I'm strong and ghett.
Speaker 5: He has to stop like the day before yesterday?
Speaker 2: Are you sure? Oh? Dead show audio smofo, fuzzo ye
Speaker 2: and boom goes to dynamite. You made it rights riding
Speaker 2: a long time.
Speaker 4: One final message, Maybe the joke we've been making forever
Speaker 4: will come true.
Speaker 2: Everybody's beard will explode.
Speaker 4: I'm on your beard, your beard, ah, and they run
Speaker 4: out of their room.
Speaker 2: Beard's on fire, armstrong and getting