1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:17,240 Speaker 2: Arm Strong and Jackie and now he Armstrong and Getty. 4 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 3: I am saying this because I'm really afraid that my 5 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 3: country's going to be further weakened by this. I think 6 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 3: we're going to see the end of American empire. Obviously 7 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 3: other nations would like to see that, and this is 8 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 3: a perfect way to scuttle the USS America on the 9 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 3: shoals of Iran, but it's also going to end, I believe, 10 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 3: Trump's presidency and effectively end it. 11 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 4: Trump responded to Tucker Carlson, call him kooky, and nobody 12 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 4: knows what he said, get a TV show. I think 13 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 4: he said Tucker has got way bigger following than if 14 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,279 Speaker 4: he had a TV show. Actually, so if he had 15 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 4: a TV show, it would be very popular and he 16 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 4: would have his following online, so he would be bigger maybe, 17 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 4: But he's better. He's bigger than any of the current 18 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 4: TV shows out there. 19 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 2: He just is. It's just statistically true. 20 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 4: So this segment, we're going to really get into the 21 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 4: whole various shades of MAGA and that whole thing, And 22 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 4: is Trump betraying America first by wanting to go to 23 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 4: war with Iran, which he seems to be hell bent on, 24 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:24,559 Speaker 4: And I'm I think he's right. And for instance, here's 25 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 4: Tulcy Gabbard in a hearing a little while back saying 26 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 4: Iran's not going to get a bomb. 27 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,919 Speaker 1: The ICY continues to assess that Iran is not building 28 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: a nuclear weapon, and Supreme Leader Kamani has not authorized 29 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,559 Speaker 1: the nuclear weapons program that he suspended in two thousand 30 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 1: and three. The ICY continues to monitor closely if Tehran 31 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: decides to reauthorize its nuclear weapons program. 32 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 4: So I see the international community, that intelligence community, intelligence community. Okay, yeah, 33 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 4: I don't think that's right. But anyway, here Trump was 34 00:01:55,720 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 4: asking about delusion. Yeah, here's Trump responding to his DNI, 35 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 4: the Director of National Intelligence, she has access to everything, 36 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 4: saying Iran's not about to get a bomb. 37 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 2: Here's what Trump says about that. How close do you 38 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 2: personally think that they were to get it on? 39 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 5: Because Tulsa Gartt testified at March the intelligence community said 40 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 5: Ran wasn't going into pure beverage. 41 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 2: What she said, I think they. 42 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 4: Trump says, I don't care what she said when she 43 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 4: testified that Iran's not closing to getting above Trump decided. 44 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 2: I think they're very close to having one. 45 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 4: He said, yeah, So he's speaking about the intelligence around 46 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 4: the most important issue right now, in the biggest decision 47 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 4: of his entire presidency. The first person you would go 48 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 4: to would be the DNIS. Like I said, they have 49 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 4: access to all of it in all the different departments. 50 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 4: And he says, I don't care what she said because 51 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 4: she's wrong, right, He's basically just saying, I mean he's 52 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 4: he's basically saying, she's part of that non interventionists don't 53 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 4: ever attack anybody crowd that I kind of catered to. 54 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 5: But in this case, I don't believe is right. She 55 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 5: cannot be in her job a week from now. 56 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,959 Speaker 4: But just to make it more complicated, I would agree 57 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 4: to make it more complicated. You got John Fetterman, Democratic Senator, 58 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 4: arguing that supporting Israel and taking down the regime in 59 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 4: Iran will be the key to lasting piece in Middle East. 60 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 2: He's pro regime change, not just. 61 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 4: Bombing, but regime change, which of course is a dirty 62 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,399 Speaker 4: phrase for a lot of people after. 63 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 2: Iraq, which I saw somebody point out earlier. 64 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 4: You have a whole bunch of hosts on cable news 65 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 4: who are four years old when the regime change in 66 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 4: Iraq has because that was twenty three years ago, twenty 67 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 4: two years ago. So if you're twenty eight, you were 68 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 4: five when that happens. On it's say, it's history to you. 69 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 4: Another interesting wrinkle from Who's Where on Politics and Weird 70 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 4: Bedfellows Josh Rogan, who we generally really like, although I 71 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 4: don't agree with everything he said a lot from The 72 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 4: Washington Post said, if Trump attacks Iran based on a 73 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 4: flimsy claim of preemption, what after running on a foreign 74 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 4: policy criticizing Bush for attacking a raq on a flimsy 75 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 4: claim of preemption, he either has no core principles or 76 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 4: has no clue what he's doing, or both scary times, 77 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 4: How is it think comparing. 78 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 2: Those two is? It's a canard, It's not accurate. 79 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 4: How the hell is it a flimsy claim of preemption 80 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 4: when the IAEA and everybody has been reporting that they're 81 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 4: very close to getting a. 82 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 5: Bomb, When both the Ayatola and the chief negotiator of 83 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 5: Haran said one thing we're not going to give up 84 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 5: is enrichment. You don't enrich uranium to get the light 85 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 5: bulbs to light up and have civilian electricity. 86 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 2: You do it to build a nuclear weapon. Period. Yeah. 87 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 5: I don't know if Josh is off his rock or what, 88 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 5: but I completely disagree with him on this. 89 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 2: I will concede this point. 90 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 5: And it's a the idea that this could lead to 91 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 5: regime change in Iran than what? 92 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 2: Then? 93 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 5: What is a penny door's box of Middle East style? 94 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 5: God help us? 95 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 2: Do we have to? Well, Iran can't have the bomb. 96 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 4: No, that's the bottom line, and that's what makes the 97 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 4: decision easier. No matter what happens, there's nothing that is 98 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 4: worse than letting them get a nuclear weapon, is there? 99 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 2: Well, that's the question I think. I don't think it's possible. 100 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 4: I can't even imagine a scenario that would be worse 101 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 4: than Iran getting the bomb. 102 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson disagrees with you. 103 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 4: Even if it devolved into full Iraq chaos, which I 104 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 4: seems incredibly unlikely to me, that would be better, wouldn't 105 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 4: it than Iran getting a nuclear weapon? 106 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 5: Depends who ends up in charge. You know what happens 107 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 5: five ten years down the line. But no, I agree 108 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 5: with you. It's not an open and shutcase. But I agree. 109 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 5: A couple of notes very quickly from the online world. 110 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 5: First of all, I came across this the great David Berg, 111 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 5: Iowahawk blogger. The worst consequence of the Internet is the 112 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 5: almost universal delusion that your opinions are shared by the majority. 113 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 5: Once again, the worst consequence of the Internet is an 114 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 5: almost universal delusion that your opinions are shared. 115 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 2: By the majority. 116 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 5: It's even worse than that, though, David, It's that my 117 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 5: opinions are shared by enough people that they're right anyway, 118 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 5: He says. The countdown of the top four sufferers of 119 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 5: acute delusions of popularity Number four, transactivists number three true 120 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 5: uh yeah, no kidding, and then the stupid idiot corporations 121 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 5: that believe that well they had the media in education 122 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 5: too anyway. Moving along, Number three Neo Nazi podcast bros. 123 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 5: Number two campus garbage babies. 124 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:51,119 Speaker 2: What's a garbage baby? 125 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 5: It's your It's I don't know, it's your campus cafea 126 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 5: wearing dopes. 127 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 2: Number one Caitlin Clark haters. 128 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 5: An He mentions, there's this weird cult of paleo WNBA 129 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 5: fans who are literally trying to organize a boycott for 130 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 5: people to not watch games featuring Caitlin Clark. 131 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 2: Good luck with that. 132 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 5: That is the reason I bring that up is that's 133 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 5: a pretty good encapsulation of the Internet. It's an echo 134 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 5: chamber for everyone, no matter how stupid their opinions. 135 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 2: And the algorithms. 136 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 4: Algorithms are built to feed you people that agree with you, 137 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 4: to help reinforce it. 138 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 5: The whole for you, you know, section at Twitter for instance. 139 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 5: So anyway, as Maga America is at each other's throats 140 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 5: over the whole helping Israel thing. 141 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 4: Jacob, I gotta jump in on that because you just 142 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 4: said this drives me crazy. This is just the way 143 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 4: politics works. But you always claim that the other side 144 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 4: is doing something unique to them and it doesn't happen 145 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 4: with you. I watch MSNBC and CNNA fair amount lots 146 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,119 Speaker 4: of discussion about the civil war within the Republican Party 147 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 4: and how was a problem from the get go that 148 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 4: the magamum Maga movement is a coalition of different groups 149 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 4: that don't agree and it's coming apart and blah blah blah. 150 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 4: Are you gonna tell me the Democratic Party hasn't been 151 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 4: a coalition of groups that don't agree forever. 152 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 2: Right, give me a break. 153 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 5: Virtually every political party, every political party, yes, but the 154 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 5: Democrats especially. Oh yeah, yeah, what a trans people have 155 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 5: to do with militant Muslims in Hamtramck, Michigan, for instance, 156 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 5: church going boy in the same party. That's what they 157 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 5: have in common. Yeah, church go will go ahead and 158 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 5: finish that up. 159 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 4: Church going black women who are the least likely to 160 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 4: support any of this trans stuff, or even gay marriage 161 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:38,839 Speaker 4: for that matter. 162 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:43,199 Speaker 2: With all the other people with queers for Palestine, Yes, 163 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 2: in the same political party. 164 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 4: Right, okay, Union leaders who had to hate illegal immigration. 165 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 5: I mean, there's all kinds of examples, so really interesting 166 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 5: study of how this works. Jade Vance is just tweeted, Look, 167 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 5: I'm seeing this from the inside and admittedly biased towards 168 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 5: our president and my friend, but there's a lot of 169 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 5: crazy stuff on social media, so I want to address 170 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 5: some things directly on the Iran issue. Then he gets 171 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 5: into the whole enrichment thing and he says is he 172 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 5: said repeatedly this would happen one of two ways they 173 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 5: can't have I'm sorry. First, Potus has been amazingly consistent 174 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 5: over ten years that Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon. 175 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 5: Over the last few months, he encouraged his foreign policy 176 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 5: team to reach a deal with the Uranians to accomplish 177 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 5: this goal. The President has made clear that Iran cannot 178 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 5: have uranium enrichment, and he said repeatedly that this would 179 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 5: happen one of two ways, the easy way or the 180 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 5: other way. And then he gets into the whole enrichment question, 181 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 5: which we've already dealt with. It's one thing to want 182 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 5: civilian energy. It's another thing to demand sophisticated enrichment capability. 183 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 5: It's still another thing to cling to enrichment while simultaneously 184 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 5: violating basic non proliferation obligations and enriching right to the 185 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 5: point of weapons grade uranium. Josh Rogan, I've yet to 186 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 5: see a single good argument for why Iran needs to 187 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 5: enrich uranium well above the threshold for civilian use. I've 188 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,319 Speaker 5: yet to see a single good argument for why Iran 189 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 5: was justified in violating his non proliferation obligations. I've yet 190 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 5: to see a single good pushback against the IAEA's findings. Meanwhile, 191 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 5: the President has shown remarkable restraint in keeping our militaries 192 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 5: focused on protecting our troops and protecting our citizens. He 193 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 5: may decide he needs to take further action and Iranian enrichment. 194 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 5: That decision belongs to the president. And of course people 195 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 5: are right to be worried about foreign entanglements after the 196 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 5: last twenty five years of idiotic foreign policy tippiness. 197 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 2: Gap toward that crowd, which. 198 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 5: Is fine, it's a good point, But I believe the 199 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 5: president has earned some trust on this issue. Having seen 200 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 5: this up close and personal, I can assure you that 201 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 5: he is only interested in using the American military to 202 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 5: accomplish the American people's goals. 203 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 2: Whatever he does, that is his focus. And so that 204 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 2: is interesting. 205 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 5: But the reaction, including some pretty significant accounts. 206 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 2: One guy says, yeah, it makes sense to me. Death 207 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 2: to America. He can't get away with it. Then this other. 208 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 5: Blue check mark Twitter account, he has a bunch of 209 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 5: tweets over the ears from Trump's from Trump in order 210 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 5: to get elected, Barack Obama will start a war with Iran. 211 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 5: Barack Obama will attack Iran in order to get reelected. 212 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 5: A year later, I've predicted President Obama will at some 213 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 5: point attack Iran in order to save face. 214 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 2: There's a list of them that he shows. 215 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:21,559 Speaker 5: That's interesting, nice words, but it's still another war in 216 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 5: the Middle East provoked by the Israelis. 217 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 2: That will suck up a lot of resources. 218 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 5: People are just tired of seeing Israel first, not America first. 219 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 220 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 4: So that other stuff about how he criticized Obama or 221 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 4: Bush forgetting US involved in wars, Okay, fine, leave that 222 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 4: to political historians or something. Let's get back to the 223 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 4: bottom line we started with. Iran can't have a nuclear weapon. 224 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 4: I don't care who said whatever, doesn't make any difference. 225 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 4: Iran can't have a nuclear weapon. Now the President coming 226 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 4: out yesterday and saying, look, I invented America first, I 227 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 4: get to define it. It is America first to stop 228 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 4: around from getting a nuclear weapon. I Jack Armstrong agree 229 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 4: with that position. 230 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 2: JD. 231 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 4: Van and he doesn't need ever run again. So you know, 232 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 4: if he loses a chunk of people whatever JD. Vance 233 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 4: is in a different situation, he can't lose that hole. 234 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 4: We don't get involved in war'st crowd if he's going 235 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 4: to run for president in a couple of years. 236 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 2: Right. 237 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 5: Interesting, The only pushback to JD that I've seen on 238 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 5: the IAEA thing saying that Iran is clearly trying as 239 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 5: fast as they can to get a nuke that's the 240 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 5: fing UN's conclusion. So JD says, I haven't seen a 241 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 5: single good pushback, and somebody says it was contrary to 242 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 5: what our own DNI says. Can you help clarify? Well, right, yeah, 243 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 5: Telsey Gabbard in March test. If I know they're not, 244 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 5: she's going to be gone by the end of the week. 245 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,079 Speaker 4: So you take the word of Telsey Gabbard over the president. 246 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 4: I do know from that crowd though, because I know 247 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 4: a couple of people personally that a part of the 248 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 4: you know, maybe some of you, the Tucker, Candice Owens, 249 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 4: whatever crowd, Alex Jones, which we're about to talk about. 250 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 2: They think I've had a person tell me this to 251 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 2: my face. 252 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 4: It proves that Trump is on the Epstein list and 253 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 4: they have information about him that he has now flipped 254 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 4: and had to go the other direction. 255 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 5: Okay, I don't even have time to refute that because 256 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 5: the people that hold the cards on the whole Epstein 257 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 5: thing have him dangling at the end of their puppet strings. 258 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:31,319 Speaker 5: You are being manipulated by people who are smarter than you, 259 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 5: that know how to trip your trigger. 260 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 2: Sorry, I know that's hurtful. 261 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 5: It's much easier to fools people than to convince them 262 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 5: they're being fooled, but they. 263 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 4: Are anyway going to get to some text four one, five, 264 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 4: two nine five k FTC you today with a decent 265 00:13:51,640 --> 00:14:00,559 Speaker 4: chance of drones driving. That's the Iranian NewsCap series. 266 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 2: In the middle of her uh. 267 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 4: Her report on the latest stoning at the soccer stadium 268 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:09,839 Speaker 4: or whatever she was doing the Iranian news and the 269 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 4: drone hit from a Iran from Israel. 270 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 5: I'm enjoying some of the memes. It sounded like angry 271 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 5: ranting about how you will now we all not bow 272 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 5: to you. Alla will protect us, No bomb will reach us. 273 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 2: Kerbloey. 274 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 4: So we got a number of texts very interesting on 275 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 4: this topic of going to war with Iran or not. 276 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 4: I taken a decent amount of Candace Owens and Joe 277 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 4: Rogan and they are not saying Trump is doing this 278 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 4: due to the Epstein list. I just said, I know 279 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 4: two people that follow that world of Candas Owans and 280 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 4: Tucker Carlson and they and they have said that. But 281 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 4: it's interesting to me that this person lumps Candas Owens 282 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 4: and Joe Rogan together. I don't see that at all. 283 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 4: Joe Rogan has those people on. But I've never got 284 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 4: the sense that he believes everything they say. Another text, 285 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 4: After trillion's and dollar dollars and thousands of lives wasted 286 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 4: over the years in Iraq and Afghanistan, you're really this 287 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 4: hung gung ho about the US jumping into the fray 288 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 4: and doing a repeat in Iran a repeat. The repeat 289 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 4: would be there were no weapons of mass destruction. So 290 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 4: you think there are no there's no nuclear program or 291 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 4: I don't know. 292 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 5: And you think Donald Trump's going to try to install 293 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 5: a Jeffersonian democracy in Iraq, like George w did, No. 294 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 5: I reject your premise. It's a dumb question. 295 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 4: Next, Alex Jones just tweeted out a picture of him 296 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 4: and Tucker as he was on Tucker's show. I am 297 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 4: proud that Tucker Carlson is standing his ground against the psychotic, 298 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 4: warmongering neo cons that have brought the world to the 299 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 4: verge of thermo nuclear armageddon. 300 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 5: By preventing Iran from having a new exactly. 301 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 4: So, yes, we're bringing the world to the edge of 302 00:15:55,800 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 4: a nuclear war the country that doesn't have nukes because 303 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 4: we're stopping them from getting news. 304 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 5: Exactly is that they've been making that plea about Russia 305 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 5: and Ukraine too. 306 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 4: Right, and Russia does have nukes obviously, does Alex Jones 307 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 4: and Tucker Carlson do they believe that? Do they believe 308 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 4: things would be fine if you let a Ran get 309 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 4: a nuclear weapon? 310 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 2: I really don't know. 311 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 5: Alex Jones, in his famous lawsuit his trial, had to 312 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 5: admit that, look, I say all sorts of stuff. I 313 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 5: don't believe that's true. He did say that, right. Wow, 314 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 5: it's like I'm playing a character. Yeah, I'm playing a character. 315 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 5: I'm pandering to a certain set of people who want 316 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 5: to believe certain things. So I tell them what they 317 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 5: want to believe, and I sell enormous amounts of you know, 318 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 5: subscriptions and advertising in the rest of that to them. 319 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 5: Now again, as I said the other hour, I guess 320 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 5: there are some people. I think our ninety percent grifter 321 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 5: and ten percent sincere, there's someho or the other, or 322 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 5: even one hundred percent since here. 323 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 2: They're just misguided and wrong. Wow. 324 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 4: It'd be interesting to see how this plays out over 325 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 4: the next couple of days, because it's coming. 326 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:17,479 Speaker 2: It's gonna happen, Armstrong and Getty. 327 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 6: Given the fact that Israel and Iran you're engaged in 328 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 6: a very active conflict right now in the short term, 329 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 6: How do you declare victory? What is or defined victory? 330 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 6: What is your definition of victory? 331 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 4: Right now? 332 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 7: The ability to destroy Israel through nuclear weapons and ballistic 333 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 7: missiles is eliminator. 334 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 2: That's the victory. That's our victory. 335 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 7: And if the people in Iran then choose a different government, 336 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 7: it's going to be great for the entire Middle East 337 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 7: and really for the world, because the people of the 338 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 7: Middle East want normalization with Israel and Israel wants nothing 339 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 7: more than normalization with its neighborhood. 340 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 2: That's an open question. 341 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 4: I think we went through the air spring just because 342 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 4: the regime has changed. The one that replaces it might 343 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 4: not be better for the world, So you can't state 344 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 4: that openly. But the idea that this ends when they 345 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 4: no longer can have a nuke that makes good sense 346 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 4: to me. 347 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, your whole regime change statement is absolutely true 348 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 5: because we have made that statement to in reference to 349 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 5: you know, people who think you can like boot out 350 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 5: to the United States government or something and it'll become 351 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 5: this paradise or that paradise Marxist or whatever. Now, the 352 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 5: history of that sort of thing is bad. You destabilize things, 353 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 5: and the power vacuum can suck something even worse into 354 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 5: the seats of power, over and over again. 355 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 4: See France from seventeen eighty nine until Napoleon arrived. 356 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 5: And so the guy who asked is somewhat bligerent question 357 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 5: before the break that I answered rudely and dismissively. I'm 358 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 5: sure he's thinking, well, wait a minute, you're making my 359 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 5: point for me. Would you like to reset that briefly? 360 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 2: Do you remember it was about I don't remember. 361 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 5: Oh, the guy said, oh, so you wanna you want 362 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 5: to do another iraq? Hey, you want to get sucked 363 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 5: into another you know, quagmire of a just replicate a 364 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 5: rock and uh And I wish you had that in 365 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 5: front of you, because it was asked in the typical 366 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:25,360 Speaker 5: online belligerent This is simple and if you don't get 367 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 5: this your stupid way, which is why I responded in 368 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:34,880 Speaker 5: a yeah, you're stupid way. If I were to ask 369 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 5: that question more uh, reasonably and intelligently, it would be Dudes, 370 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 5: in what ways do you believe this is a different 371 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,360 Speaker 5: situation than the weapons of mass destruction in a rock 372 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:52,199 Speaker 5: or given the experience of a rock how can you 373 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 5: advocate for attacking Iran? 374 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 2: This seems similar. 375 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 5: Now, that's the way like a civilized human would ask 376 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 5: the question, and here's the response, and it's it's book length. 377 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 5: So I'll summarize. The One thing about the Iraq experience 378 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 5: is there are mistakes made so monumentally stupid it's difficult 379 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 5: to believe they happened. 380 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 4: Starting with, they had like three months of funding planned 381 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 4: for the war after Sadom was booted out, like it'll 382 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 4: be over, everything will be fine, and we'll just leave. 383 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got George W. Bush. 384 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 5: And and you know, if I had to leave my life, 385 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 5: my fortune, my children in the hands of one man, 386 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 5: George W. Bush or Donald Trump, it would well, if 387 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 5: it was my fortune, it'd probably be Trump. But in 388 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 5: terms of being a good, decent, moral human being, I 389 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:53,640 Speaker 5: think George Bush wins by a mile sure, which led 390 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 5: him down the garden path. 391 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 2: He had this. 392 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 5: Unbelievably silly idea that the people of the Middle East, 393 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 5: including fundamentalist Muslims, just couldn't wait for Jeffersonian democracy. 394 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,199 Speaker 4: Well, and you know Dick Cheney famously saying I think 395 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 4: will be greeted by liberators. Well, I think we were liberators. Yeah, 396 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:16,160 Speaker 4: but immediately they all, Okay, who's in charge. Now I'm 397 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,199 Speaker 4: in charge and no, no, no, you're not. I'm in charge. 398 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 4: And that happened, like it always happens. Somebody's going to 399 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 4: be in charge, and if you don't agree, sometimes you 400 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 4: got a war over it. 401 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 2: It's called the Civil war. 402 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 5: Well, and the de bathification of the government of Iraq 403 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 5: was one of the most monumentally stupid moves that's ever 404 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,719 Speaker 5: been made in world history. They essentially said, well, if 405 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 5: you're a member of the Bath Party, which is Saddam's party, 406 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 5: then you can't be part of the government. Well, that 407 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 5: was the entire government, from the people who like handed 408 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 5: out paychecks to civil servants, to the army generals, to 409 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 5: the school lunch program people. They were all in the 410 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 5: Bath part. It was a single party efing government. It's 411 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 5: such a to dismantle that and say all right, let's 412 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 5: restart now, except this Sar decision. 413 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 4: It's such a crapshoot and so complicated. The Soviet Union falling. 414 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 4: It seems like if you ran that experiment a thousand 415 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 4: times you would get the peaceful result we ended up with. 416 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:15,640 Speaker 4: Once where the Soviet Union fell, and it didn't fall 417 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 4: into the hands of crazy oligarchs going to war with 418 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 4: each other and some of them had nukes or. 419 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 5: All kinds of different things that could happened, but it didn't. Yeah, 420 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 5: that that's a separate discussion for another day. But it's 421 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:29,479 Speaker 5: crazy interesting. 422 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 4: I'm just thinking about ill Ran if this, if this 423 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 4: regime falls, is it going to be Is it gonna 424 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 4: be like the Soviet Union where somebody steps in that 425 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 4: everybody recognizes, Okay, you're the leader, and law and order 426 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 4: in the streets continues, et cetera. 427 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 2: Or is it going to be more like a rack. 428 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 5: Well, it's got to be approached with brutal realism, friends, 429 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,439 Speaker 5: that's what's going to make it different, aside from some 430 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 5: of the particulars that are different, but it's got to 431 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 5: be brutal realism. You let anybody who's part of the 432 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 5: government structure that makes the country run that says, hey, 433 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 5: I'm glad those mullas are gone. I'm gonna keep doing 434 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 5: my job and showing up. That's number one. You keep 435 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 5: the country functioning in a way that doesn't create an 436 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 5: enormous power vacuum in the streets. Secondly, you recognize Concentrated 437 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 5: enthusiasm is often how one group gets to power over 438 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 5: another one, and in the Middle East it's the fundamentalist 439 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 5: Muslim lunatics who usually have that concentrated enthusiasm, like, oh. 440 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 2: What's his name? Al Baker or fat You remember fat 441 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 2: Head in Iran? 442 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,959 Speaker 5: What was his name? I can't remember, It'll pop into 443 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 5: my head. She leader, He had very close ties to Iran, 444 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 5: the guy in Irakaman. Anyway, you've got to be brutally 445 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 5: realistic that those people are gonna come gun and for power, 446 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 5: and you have to have a plan to suppress them. 447 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 5: I remember being fed the line, and I think inside 448 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:12,679 Speaker 5: the White House the actual Neokans believed this Iraq is 449 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 5: really a secular society. I mean people, I mean people 450 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,880 Speaker 5: are sites and Sunni's like you're a Baptist and I'm 451 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 5: a Lutheran. Well that was because Saddam repressed them like crazy. 452 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 5: And now those lessons having been learned, you know, whether 453 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 5: Trump and the Israelis and the Gulf States just. 454 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 2: Somebody has got. 455 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 5: To approach it in a realistic way and not make 456 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 5: the horrific mistakes of Iraq. 457 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 4: Even if you took a religion out of it, which 458 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 4: is a hell of an even if since it's a 459 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 4: theocracy for the last forty some years, Even if you 460 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 4: took that out of it. Though, whoever's in charge of 461 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 4: the army might decide I want to be the leader, 462 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 4: and the person who's in charge of the Revolutionary Guard 463 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 4: might say, no, you're not, I'm going to and they 464 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,959 Speaker 4: go to war like you've hardly ever seen before for 465 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 4: the next ten years, trying to decide who's going to 466 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 4: run the place. 467 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 2: That's absolutely true. 468 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,679 Speaker 5: And then, you know you, folks, we historians are going 469 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 5: to say, would we better have been better off just 470 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,439 Speaker 5: letting Iran have the new No, I don't think so. 471 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 5: Having to sign agreements non aggression packs like the other 472 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 5: nuclear powers on Earth an uneasy relationship, but blah, blah blah, 473 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 5: the difference being that the Mullas mean what they say. 474 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 5: A lot of those people are actual religious fanatics. 475 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 4: But the classic Caesar crossing the Rubicon moment was he 476 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 4: decided to take his army after whoop an ass all 477 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 4: over the place. You know what, I'm going to run 478 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 4: the Roman Empire and crossed the river headed back into 479 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 4: the country and everybody knew, okay, it's on. He ended 480 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 4: up winning. But yeah, sometimes the generals decide they want 481 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 4: to be in charge. 482 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I suspect that that's what will happen, So 483 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 5: it would be a fair question. Then if our questioner 484 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 5: were to follow up, he'd say, all right, so how 485 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 5: do you see the post regime change Iran taking shape? 486 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 5: That isn't way worse for humanity than if they got 487 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 5: the nuke. 488 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 2: It's a great question. It's impossible to answer. 489 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 5: I mean, I could spin you out a scenario, but 490 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 5: it's unlikely to happen. 491 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:23,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 492 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 5: It is a classic example of being caught between a 493 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 5: rock and a hard place, having two absolutely awful alternatives. 494 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 5: There's a certain school of thought you run into a lot, 495 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 5: especially online, that likes to pretend not making a decision 496 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 5: is not a decision in and of itself, that if 497 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 5: you don't make. 498 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 2: It, that Obama's really right? Is Obama? Don't do stupid s? 499 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 2: Was their motto? 500 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 4: Okay, well, not doing stupid s allows Russia to just 501 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 4: keep gobbling up land. 502 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 5: For instance, the late great Neil peart, if you decide 503 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 5: to this is well, if you don't make a decision, 504 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 5: you've still made a choice. And there is a belief 505 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 5: I think that if you just don't act, everything's frozen 506 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 5: in amber, and that the status quo continues. 507 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 2: It's it's not. 508 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 4: True, no, no, in your child rearing, marriage, career, whatever 509 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:30,199 Speaker 4: it is. 510 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, two miserable options. Pick one. That's life. 511 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 4: I think Mark Alpern wrote this today. I think we 512 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,959 Speaker 4: agree that the most likely scenario is the United States 513 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 4: is going to help Israel here in the next forty 514 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 4: eight to seventy two hours bomb the but Jesus out 515 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 4: of Fordoh to the point that it can't make a 516 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 4: nuclear weapon, and and we're gonna we're going to help 517 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 4: in that. 518 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 2: Now. I assume at that point we're done. 519 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, there will be diplomacy and aid and that sort 520 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 5: of thing, and pulling of strings behind the scenes, trying 521 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 5: to either get a more friendly regime in place, or 522 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 5: just saying, all right, mullas, if you can still run, 523 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 5: if your people will still let you run the place, 524 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 5: go ahead and run the place. Just remember what happened. 525 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 5: If you try to get a nuke again, it's gonna 526 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 5: happen again. You want to keep to yourself and like 527 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 5: revive your economy and be reasonably friendly to the nations 528 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 5: around you, Go ahead, knock yourself out. Don't try to 529 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 5: get a new kigin. 530 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 4: I'm trying to be open minded for the other side 531 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 4: because I'm pretty hard shore. I think this is a 532 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:36,919 Speaker 4: good idea. You know, nobody saw what was coming in 533 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 4: Iraq in that Isis was gonna get created and become 534 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 4: a thing. Maybe there's some sheite version of that that 535 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 4: comes out of Iran when you unleash the dogs of 536 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 4: war that nobody could possibly imagine with a year's long 537 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 4: insurgency of a deaf Cultis sheeite version of this? 538 00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 2: Who knows? 539 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 5: Not impossible. Nope, I didn't see ices coming to anybody else. 540 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 5: Don't disband the army that would. 541 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 4: Help let them go to work. And she said it'd 542 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 4: be better than isis anyway, we will finish strong next. 543 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 4: You can always text on this topic. This is a 544 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 4: thorny one. 545 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 2: This is a big deal. This is I do. 546 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 4: I absolutely agree with the idea that this is the 547 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 4: biggest decision of Trump's life that he's going to be making, 548 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 4: depending on how it plays out. Our text line is 549 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 4: four one five two nine KFTC. 550 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 8: A man was recently arrested at a Florida strip club 551 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 8: after he allegedly called nine one one from a private 552 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 8: room to complain that he had to pay three hundred 553 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 8: dollars but the dancer refused to have sex with them. 554 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 2: Of course, it's still Florida. 555 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 8: Nine one one, so I'm sure they were like, try 556 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 8: five hundred. 557 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 4: So God, it's hard to not continue on this same theme. 558 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 4: We don't usually cover one topic this much, but this 559 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 4: is new. President Trump just tweeted out he actually did 560 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 4: a different whatever I'm gonna call everything a tweet that 561 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 4: comes out like this fine. 562 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 2: Donald Trump said. 563 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 4: We now have complete and total control over the skies 564 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 4: over Iran. I read that and said to Joe, I 565 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 4: think the key word there is we. So somebody apparently 566 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 4: thought the we stuck out. Also, he didn't say Israel 567 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 4: has complete control over the skies over ran, so somebody asked, 568 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 4: According to a White House official, though we that President 569 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 4: Trump is referring to here is the United States, not Israel. 570 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 2: HM. 571 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 4: So so Trump meant to say, we, the United States 572 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 4: now have complete control over the skies of Iran. 573 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 5: Therefore, we are willing to send in our b twos 574 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 5: with the moab bombs. I got is the unspoken end 575 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 5: of that sentence. I guess, so my final thought on 576 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 5: the previous discussion is that there's got to be something 577 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 5: transitional if indeed the current regime falls, and you've got 578 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 5: to it's got to be a temporary quote unquote military 579 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 5: dictatorship with people we can work with. We assure there's security, 580 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 5: tell them you just keep stability, don't try to go 581 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 5: for a bomb. We'll make sure none of the Arab 582 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 5: states decide they want snatch up your oil refineries or whatever. 583 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 5: And you go forward from there. It's a likely choice, 584 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 5: but it's a good one. Greed heads because the military 585 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 5: Iran is a bunch of greed heads. They make tons 586 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 5: of money. They have a like a societal hold on 587 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 5: big chunks of the economy. 588 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 2: There are number of countries that are like that. It's 589 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 2: very typical. 590 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 5: But you deal with the greed heads, not the religious fanatics. 591 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,479 Speaker 5: The greed heads you know how to deal with. 592 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 4: If there's an LCC in Iran like there was in Egypt, 593 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 4: to take over after m bark the dictator fell, I 594 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 4: don't know if there's one person or they'll be warring 595 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 4: amongst themselves as we talk. 596 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 2: Ol There may have been last week, but they're all 597 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 2: on now. 598 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 4: If you don't follow OSI in t Defender Open Source 599 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 4: Intelligence Defender. On stories like this, you're missing out. You 600 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 4: will know so much, so much, sooner than you'll ever 601 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 4: get it from cable news or the newspaper. 602 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 2: I look at it constantly anyway. They have this, Joe, 603 00:31:58,600 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 2: you'll like this. 604 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 4: Internet and cellultor outages occurring right now across Iran admitst 605 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 4: reports Iran Cyber Authority that they are currently under a 606 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 4: large scale cyber attack from Israel. So their cellutor outages 607 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 4: and they're in celliator and internet has gone down. That 608 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 4: might be the leading thing before we start bombing today, 609 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 4: like in the next couple hours. 610 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 5: They have Israel has the cyber equivalent of a pager 611 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 5: in every network, every system in Iran, and it's about 612 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 5: to shut it down. 613 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 2: That's my guess, something like that. 614 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 4: Before we, along with Israel bomb the but Jesus out 615 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 4: of them. Can you say when you got Jews bombing Muslims? 616 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 5: Probably not, Yes, you can, you can absolutely free speech, 617 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 5: my friend defended. 618 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 2: Final thought. 619 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, here's your host for final thoughts, Joe Getty. 620 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 5: Let's get a final thought from everybody on the crew 621 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 5: to wrap things up for the day. There he is 622 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 5: Michael Angelo pressing the button as Michael Well. 623 00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 2: That news kind of ruined my final thing. 624 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 5: I was gonna guess that they were gonna text everybody 625 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 5: if they had wont to prize, send them. 626 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 2: All to one building and the blow up the building. 627 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 2: I'll give the Super Bowl tickets. This classic Katie Green knows. 628 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 5: Something about law enforcement and that sort of thing. Our 629 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 5: esteemed newswoman, Katie final thought has nothing to. 630 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 2: Do with law enforcement. 631 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 4: But I did just write grape nuts down on my 632 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 4: grocery list for today. 633 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 2: I love grape nuts. Yeah, I hope you your teeth 634 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 2: are good and harden. 635 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 4: They are bland and you need tough teeth. Jack final 636 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 4: thought for us, I'll look into the picture of Tucker 637 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 4: Carlson with Alex Jones. Alex Jones lost a ton of weight, 638 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 4: looks fantastic, and he's no zimpic guy, I think, or 639 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 4: one of those drugs. 640 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 2: Man, Why aren't we all doing that? We all got 641 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 2: to get on that. My final thought. You know me, 642 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 2: I'm kind of a real estate freak. I love it. 643 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 5: If you were thinking of purchasing a property anywhere near 644 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 5: the fod Oh reactor in Iran, I would hold off. 645 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 2: I would go ahead and wait week before you sign 646 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:01,959 Speaker 2: that contract. 647 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, if you're going to vacation and do an airbnb 648 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 4: somewhere near. 649 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 2: There, right, get a tour of the reactor. That sort 650 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 2: of thing in Richmond's. 651 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 4: Site Armstrong and Getty wrapping about. Oh they're grueling for 652 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 4: our workday. 653 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,359 Speaker 5: It's housed within a mountain that's soon to be a 654 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 5: former mountain. So many people who thanks so little time 655 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 5: go to Armstrong geddy dot com hot links. Are there 656 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 5: our email address that we linked to a mail bag 657 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 5: at Armstrong and geddy dot com. You disagree, we want 658 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 5: to hear from you. Make your points. 659 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 4: You know that will be a spectacular show if it 660 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,360 Speaker 4: goes down the way we think our planes with some 661 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 4: of the biggest bunker busters that exist. 662 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 2: On Earth, over and over and over again. That'll be 663 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 2: something to watch. We'll see tomorrow. 664 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,320 Speaker 4: God bless America. 665 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 2: I'm strong and ghett. 666 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 5: He has to stop like the day before yesterday? 667 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 2: Are you sure? Oh? Dead show audio smofo, fuzzo ye 668 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:02,800 Speaker 2: and boom goes to dynamite. You made it rights riding 669 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:03,919 Speaker 2: a long time. 670 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 4: One final message, Maybe the joke we've been making forever 671 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 4: will come true. 672 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 2: Everybody's beard will explode. 673 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,359 Speaker 4: I'm on your beard, your beard, ah, and they run 674 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:13,879 Speaker 4: out of their room. 675 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 2: Beard's on fire, armstrong and getting