1 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:05,359 Speaker 1: Wind down with Jane Kramer an I'mheart Radio podcast. 2 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 2: Okay, ladies, we have got a bonus episode for you, 3 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 2: and I mean it's it's it is everywhere. 4 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 3: Okay, So I do I want to just go I 5 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 3: want to go thirty thousand feet because not everyone has 6 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 3: seen this. 7 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 1: Really, I think it's pretty much everyone is. 8 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 3: Friend because if you guys hadn't brought it to me, 9 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 3: it's still not showing up for me, what I know. 10 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 3: So I do think it's just like a high level 11 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 3: quick whiteboard moment because I actually enjoyed the way Jane 12 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 3: narrates whiteboard moments. If you can just give us a 13 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 3: quick rundown. 14 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 2: Asha Tisdale explains why she left club mom group with 15 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 2: high school behavior that left her in tears. In the 16 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 2: essay for the Cut, the actress wrote that she decided 17 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 2: to break up with her mom friend group after feeling 18 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 2: like it had become toxic. She explained that she left 19 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 2: her mom group last year after experiencing behavior that made 20 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 2: her feel like she was back in high school. She 21 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 2: said that she had felt lucky initially finding this group 22 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 2: of women they were pregnant at the same time, and 23 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 2: then after that she went on to feel that she 24 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 2: she found her village, but she realized that she'd been 25 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 2: left out of a couple of group hangs and only 26 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 2: found out about them from Instagram. Another time, at one 27 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 2: of the mom's dinner parties, I realized where I sat 28 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 2: with her, which was at the end of the table, 29 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,320 Speaker 2: far from the rest of the women. I was starting 30 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 2: to feel frozen out of the group, noticing every way 31 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 2: that they seemed to exclude me. At first, I tried 32 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 2: not to take things personally. It's not like people aren't 33 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 2: allowed to get together without me, and maybe there were 34 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 2: perfectly good reasons that I hadn't been invited, she continued, 35 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 2: adding that she told herself it was all in her 36 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 2: head and wasn't a big deal. But then Tisdale started 37 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 2: sensing a distance between herself and the other moms. She 38 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 2: was getting invited things less and less, and was even 39 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 2: excluded from an event that the other moms planned at 40 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 2: her daughter's birthday party. She started feeling like she wasn't 41 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 2: cool enough to be in the group and felt like 42 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 2: she was in high school all over again. She ended 43 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 2: up texting the group that she didn't want to be 44 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 2: a part of their circle anymore. Saying this is too 45 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 2: high school for me, and I don't want to take 46 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 2: part in it anymore. Some of the women tried to 47 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 2: make amends, while others attempted to convince her that it 48 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 2: was all in her head. To be clear, I've never 49 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 2: considered the moms to be bad people. Well maybe one 50 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 2: is to dale, but I do think our group dynamics 51 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 2: stopped being healthy and positive for me anyway. So since 52 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 2: that essay has come out, husbands have come out in 53 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 2: defense of you know, listen, there's there's Mandy Moore, there's 54 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 2: Hillary Duff, There's Megan Trainer. 55 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: There is. 56 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,959 Speaker 2: Make a Bard, famous makeup artists. There is a chef 57 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 2: right in there. There's there's there's a lot of. 58 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 4: The alleged group. 59 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 5: Because she hasn't she hasn't specifically said, but the group 60 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 5: that is being shown. 61 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: But here's the problem. 62 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 2: Though the alleged group, husbands have come out defense. 63 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 5: They did. They absolutely did. I was like, if you 64 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 5: all were trying to act like this wasn't y'all you 65 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 5: ruined it? Yeah? 66 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: Yes, So I think the alleged has, yes, yes, left 67 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: the building. 68 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 5: Yes. 69 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 2: When they have now you know, come to their defense. 70 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 2: You know, Hillary and here's the thing. Hillary Duff's husband 71 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 2: responds to Ashley Tisdalle's Toxic Mom group essay most self obsessed, 72 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 2: tone deaf person on Earth. 73 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 4: So, well, there's a lot to get into it. 74 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 2: Well, we'll get to the husbands, and then Mandy Moore's 75 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 2: also shouts out husband. But let's let's let's take a 76 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 2: pause on the husband's entering the job, and let's go 77 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 2: back to the Toxic mom group. So listen, when this 78 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 2: came into the thread, it was tricky, Catherine and I 79 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 2: both go. 80 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: Because we know two. 81 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 2: Of them, and I know zero, you know zero, and 82 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 2: I was really close with one of them one I 83 00:03:55,840 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 2: still from time to time DM, But it was, you know, 84 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 2: it's again it's tricky because I think I'll share my 85 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 2: experience maybe later on my experience with one of them. 86 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: Possibly. 87 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 2: Uh, But I do think this is an interesting topic, 88 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 2: and I'm going to shoot it over to you, Catherine, 89 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 2: because I do feel at times you are more sensitive 90 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 2: to maybe not being a part of certain things. But 91 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 2: I also have defense to that too. 92 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. 93 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 5: Abso yeah, Well, first of all, I'm going to start 94 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 5: out by saying, when you say that we know two 95 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 5: of them, we used to I am not. I still 96 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 5: DM occasionally they have been nothing but lovely to me. 97 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 5: I want to say that, I want to be on 98 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 5: record saying that they have always been extremely kind to me. 99 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 5: So I've never been in a mom group with them. 100 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 5: I've never been really in a group with them, so 101 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 5: that doesn't mean anything. 102 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 3: I have a question, Yes, do you think that's in 103 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 3: part because you are not direct competition. 104 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 5: We wouldn't have been in mom groups anyway because we 105 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 5: don't live in the same town. 106 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 3: I know. I'm just wondering, are they kind because your 107 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 3: position in the industry is not of one of direct competition? 108 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 5: I think one of them, I mean, we worked with 109 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 5: both of them, so, but we were also friendly, and 110 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 5: I will say I'm definitely still friendly with the same 111 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 5: one that Janna still dems with or whatever. We're definitely 112 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 5: still friendly. And when I run into her like, she 113 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 5: has been nothing but. 114 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: And what the experience with the other one, She. 115 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 4: Was always kind to me. 116 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 5: But I saw, you know, I saw things for sure, 117 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 5: and we can go into those experiences. But yes, going 118 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 5: back to yes, I'm definitely the sensitive one of the group, 119 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 5: you know, And so when I first hear this, though, 120 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 5: my first reaction is a we don't know. A lot 121 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 5: we don't know, and this is defending both sides. At 122 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 5: this point, we don't know all the details. To me, 123 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 5: when I read that, it sounds like they were already 124 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 5: pushing her out. I understand that she is saying that 125 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 5: she left the group. It sounds like to me, and 126 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 5: this might not be a popular opinion, that they were 127 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 5: already just pushing her out and phasing her out. I 128 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 5: think that to me, it's almost silly to say that 129 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 5: she left the group. I think she it sounds like 130 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 5: she was completely pushed out of this group. Having said that, 131 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 5: when you were the only one. That's always my thing, 132 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 5: especially with a group, if there's like not eight or 133 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 5: nine of them, you know, like our our group, you know, 134 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 5: our whatever, what do we called our queendom? Like what 135 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 5: is our our Queendom's like five people, you know? I mean, 136 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 5: so when you're five, one, two, three, yeah, five? 137 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, well, wit Penning. 138 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 5: So it's that's when things affect me more. I feel like, 139 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 5: if if everyone's doing something and I'm the only one 140 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 5: that was not included, the overthinker in me just goes rampant. 141 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: You know, It's like, well, why was I not included? 142 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 4: Why was I not? 143 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 1: Happened? It wasn't. You weren't the only one that wasn't? 144 00:06:58,880 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: But you were? 145 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 5: I thought I was the only one. Yes, Pam had, 146 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 5: Pam had an event. It was me, Julie and Chris Kristen. Yeah, 147 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 5: years ago, Yes, you were. 148 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: You were that lion and I was pregnant with Roman. Okay, 149 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: I don't remember. 150 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 4: It was years ago. 151 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 5: She had like a dinner party, yes, yes, yes, okay, yes, 152 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 5: And we had all been in a lot of communication 153 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 5: with each other around that time. And so to me, 154 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 5: I realized, now I don't I don't know if Sarah 155 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 5: was invited. She could have been invited and not been 156 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 5: able to go, But in my mind at that moment, 157 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 5: I was the only one not invited. Like, and to me, 158 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 5: you intentionally have to send another right, you can just 159 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 5: pop in to intentionally take someone off, you know. And 160 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 5: so again it is a lot of PaperWorks. This isn't 161 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 5: an intentional thing. That's where my brain goes. Sure, that's 162 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 5: how my brain thinks, that's how and it's not oh 163 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 5: f her, she didn't invite me, it's what did I 164 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 5: do wrong? 165 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 4: Why does she not like me? 166 00:07:58,400 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 2: Like? 167 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 5: Why am I the only one that's included? And even then, 168 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 5: if it was me and Sarah, I still probably if 169 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 5: I realized that right then, I still would. 170 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: Have been like, man, why are why not me and Sarah? 171 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: Like why were we not included in this? You know 172 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: that will always be me. 173 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 5: I don't know that I can ever wipe that as 174 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 5: much as I try, as I get harder to wipe 175 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 5: that away. And I think some people are more like 176 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 5: that and some people are not. But if I'm Ashley 177 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 5: and I'm starting to be the only one I'm invited 178 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 5: to things. If I am am invited and I go 179 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 5: to a party and I'm seated at the whole other 180 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 5: end while everyone one hundred percent, my feelings are hurt. Absolutely, 181 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 5: There's no part of me that could handle that and 182 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 5: my feelings not be hurt and feel like I was 183 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 5: getting pushed out. 184 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 2: So I think it's one of those things where if 185 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 2: it's just one person being left out, I think that's 186 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:01,959 Speaker 2: the issue. Like, for example, we went for a walk 187 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 2: on the day after Christen's birthday. Now it had just started. 188 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 2: I think with Sarah being like, we should go for 189 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 2: a walk with Kristen for her birthday, on my birthday 190 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 2: on your birthday, but then that didn't that didn't work. 191 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 2: So you know, I had reached out to calcause I'm like, 192 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 2: if it's not all of us, then someone's going to 193 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 2: feel left out, and I don't want anyone to feel 194 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 2: left out, which is weird. 195 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 3: So Pamelin had said happy birthday to me, and then 196 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:29,959 Speaker 3: I knew the three of us were going to go walk. 197 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: Which was a residual of the day before not working 198 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: out right. 199 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 3: But in talking with Pam, I didn't mention the walk 200 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 3: because I'm not that in my brain, I'm not the one. 201 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: That can add that. Is that an interesting dynamic? 202 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 4: Like I was like dynamic. 203 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like, well, I'm not going to add 204 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 3: Pamelin because she's right by you, so if you want 205 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 3: her included, you would just grab her. 206 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: See this is where people get less left left. 207 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, this is when because if you're perfect example, and 208 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 6: I was just flying through life like I'm like, I 209 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 6: was not sure going to make it, and I think 210 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 6: sometimes it's hard, like in defense of the mom group, 211 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 6: and I'm nothing against either side of it, but like 212 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 6: in defense to them, sometimes when you're planning things like 213 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 6: there could have been a moment where was like I 214 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 6: forgot to text Cat, not because I didn't want to 215 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 6: include you or pamel in, but but once I realized 216 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 6: that it was going to be every like you know, evil, 217 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 6: the three of us, I'm like, I'm going to extend out. 218 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 2: You know, sure, because I don't want anyone to feel 219 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 2: left out, but if you are always if it was 220 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 2: just you that wasn't included, I it would listen. If 221 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 2: you guys went for a walk and it was everyone 222 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:35,839 Speaker 2: but me, my feelings would be hurt. 223 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Just put that on a new cat 224 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: and I think that that's I don't. 225 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 5: I think that's a little bit healthy. I think I 226 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,439 Speaker 5: take it to an unhealthy place. But I do think 227 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 5: that's a little bit healthy and a little bit which 228 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 5: of feeling like like hey, like everyone without me, like 229 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 5: I want to go like I want to be included. 230 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 5: I don't think that that's necessarily an unhealthy thing. It 231 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 5: can get to an unhealthy place and things can happen 232 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 5: without people. 233 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 4: But also I think it's. 234 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 5: Okay to say, hey, you know, maybe in that moment KB, 235 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 5: when you're talking to Pam, like even though you don't 236 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 5: feel like it is your place, still extend the invite, 237 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:11,959 Speaker 5: and then I should have. 238 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 3: Just said to Janna, hey, I talked to Pam and 239 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 3: didn't invite Pam, you know, because there's also times where 240 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 3: people need space from other people, and so I don't 241 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 3: I'm in certain groups. In certain groups, I don't. I 242 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 3: am not the glue, right, and I am not. 243 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 1: The glue of the Quana is the glors. 244 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 4: The glue of the queendom. 245 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,559 Speaker 1: Not that it's all on you, so agreed, yeah. 246 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 3: But just that there's also a lot of life being 247 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 3: done outside of that, Like you and Pam do a 248 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 3: ton of life outside of the queendom chat just by 249 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 3: like relations, like logistics, you know. 250 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: So I don't. This isn't like a drama thing, but 251 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: like I. 252 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 3: Wouldn't if if you don't need the walk with her 253 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 3: that day, or you're like, actually I haven't seen Sarah 254 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 3: and Kristen, Like I wouldn't. It wouldn't be me that 255 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 3: would go, hey, you know, yeah, if we're walking in 256 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 3: your neighborhood, maybe I'd be like, well that feels weird. 257 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 2: Well, so this kind of happened the other day where 258 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,599 Speaker 2: I had called Sarah and you know, she's like, do 259 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 2: you want to walk? And I was like, yes, I 260 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 2: would love to walk well unbeknounced to me, butnounce whatever 261 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,959 Speaker 2: to me. She had said, oh, I had mentioned to Pam. 262 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 2: And I'm like, I really want a one on one 263 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 2: with you, right, you know. But I'm also caught because 264 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 2: we are in the neighborhood. And then I don't want 265 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 2: her feelings to get hurt. So I'm like, you know what, 266 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 2: let's just how about we do a lap and then 267 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 2: let's text her and be like, hey, want to want 268 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 2: to want a lap with us? 269 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: You know? 270 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 2: And I think, but I think it's okay too. And 271 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 2: then I didn't feel like I had to text you 272 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 2: Kat because I'm like, I think it's okay to be 273 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 2: it in different groups. 274 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,199 Speaker 1: I just think the problem rises when one person is 275 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: being left out. 276 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 2: I had at the issue because it would hurt my 277 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 2: feelings if it was just all of you guys and 278 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 2: I'm the only one out of the group. 279 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: I get that I'm the glue with you know. 280 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 2: With that, and I know we do separate hangs, we 281 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 2: do that, you know, But if it's just one person 282 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 2: left out, I think that's where it becomes her where 283 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 2: hurt feelings can come in. Where I can see Ashley's 284 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 2: side of it, and I wish that we are in 285 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 2: the age that we can say, you know what, in 286 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 2: the season of life right now, you know, having a 287 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 2: conversation instead of making someone feel iced out, because I 288 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 2: think that doesn't fit great. 289 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 5: And I think the maturity of our group is so 290 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 5: like I even though I'm an overthinker, and I will 291 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 5: sit here and I will whatever. I also my brain 292 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 5: also knows that y'all are never doing it intentionally to 293 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 5: be hurtful, and sometimes it's. 294 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:33,719 Speaker 1: Just a forget exactly so. But if it's everybody, I things, but. 295 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 5: Everybody that just feels like, okay, that was almost harder guys, 296 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 5: like we have a group text with all of us, 297 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 5: you know what I mean? Like that's you know, that 298 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 5: gets a little like a way this seems specific, and 299 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,559 Speaker 5: even if it is specific, maybe there is a reason. 300 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 5: That's where the communication just becomes so important to then 301 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 5: communicate that and talk like, hey, if there is a reason, 302 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 5: like hey, we're going to do this, and you've done 303 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 5: this to me plenty of times in this way, I 304 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 5: always trust with you. If I'm not invited, it's very rare, 305 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 5: but say there's something that there's a reason behind it. 306 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 4: I just I know you, I know your heart. 307 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 5: I know that you know how I am more than anyone, 308 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 5: and that you're not going to do that unless like 309 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:11,839 Speaker 5: there's a reason for it too, you know what. 310 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 3: I'm interesting because when we pulled up and I found 311 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 3: that Pam was going to walk, I was like, well, 312 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 3: now I need I feel like I should have reached. 313 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 5: Out to Kat well, So she sent it to me, 314 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 5: and Pam having said that I had reached out to 315 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 5: her the day before, I was like, oh my gosh, 316 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 5: it's Kristen's birthday. Are we doing anything, figuring that her 317 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 5: and Sarah probably had already because I know they're kind 318 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 5: of the closest to you, And I was like, if 319 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 5: there's time, I would love to be and she's like, well, 320 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 5: it's kind of all over the place, you know whatever. 321 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 2: So mostly because my husbandn't have a plan go right, right, 322 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 2: but scheduling things is so hard to But as long 323 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 2: as again, not one person is ex I agree. If 324 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 2: there's one excluded, it's different than like if if you 325 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 2: and Pam we didn't invite you and Pam and it 326 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 2: was just us three, I think that's okay. It's a 327 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 2: little different because it was your birthday, so. 328 00:14:57,680 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 5: Well, and we had talked about but we had talked 329 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 5: to This is where that would have been. In another situation. 330 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 5: I think it would have been fine. But for that situation, 331 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 5: I had texted her the day before and asked, and 332 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 5: she said, well, we might be able to go walk, 333 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 5: So it would have been that would have been like 334 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 5: I didn't pre warn right, yeah, at least something like hey, 335 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 5: by the way, we are going to go walk. It 336 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 5: kind of extemmed from this, I'm like, okay, even though 337 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 5: I was like, yeah, thanks for letting me know. I 338 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 5: won't be able to make it, you know whatever. So 339 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 5: that was a little bit. But if it was just you, 340 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 5: Kristen and Sarah going for a walk, I wouldn't think. 341 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 2: And I still think as much as like Pam is 342 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 2: very much a person where she's like she doesn't care. 343 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 2: She's got so many different groups. 344 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 5: What Ashley has gone through, no matter what the actual like, No, 345 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 5: even if there's something that she did where everyone was 346 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 5: like we can't be friends with I'm not saying that happened, 347 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 5: but let's just say the whole other side is she 348 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 5: did something everyone decided they couldn't be friends with her. Anymore, 349 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 5: how do we not be friends with her? Even then, 350 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 5: this was not as she saying it happened, did not 351 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 5: happen the way that it should happen. If there was 352 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 5: something she did and they didn't want to be friends 353 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 5: with her, you're going to have to mana and you're 354 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 5: gonna have to have a conversation and say this is 355 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 5: what's going on, because anybody you're lying if you don't 356 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 5: feel something when you get iced out of a group, Like. 357 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: Well, that's what I was telling Pam on the walk 358 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: because she's. 359 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 2: Like, oho, care's I got friends here and I got 360 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 2: friends there. I'm like, my feelings wouldn't be hurt. And 361 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 2: I go, Pam, I really disagree with you. I said, 362 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 2: I think if we all hung out and we had 363 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 2: a little girl's little get together at my house and 364 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 2: you were the only person that wasn't invited, you know, 365 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 2: your feelings. 366 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: Are good hurt. 367 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 5: I mean, at least for a second, man given me 368 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 5: for a second. That is a human feeling, That's what 369 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 5: I'm saying. There's a healthy part of that, that's just normal, 370 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 5: and like that's honestly a little bit of just protection, 371 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 5: maybe a little bit, you know, because if that. 372 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 4: Starts happening, like you should kind of put that up. 373 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 2: But also, if there's one person in the group, like 374 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 2: she said, well maybe one, then why are you wanting 375 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 2: to be in that group anyways? Well, yeah, that's another. 376 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: Piece of it, like if what is it really? How 377 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: is that. 378 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 2: Benefiting you when there's someone that isn't nice in the group, 379 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 2: Like if one of you guys were a total raging 380 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 2: I would distance myself anyways, Well you love okay, go 381 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 2: for it. 382 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 5: Sorry not to get you off, please go so like 383 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 5: in our group, for instance, you're being the glue if 384 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 5: you brought someone in And I'm not gonna lie. You 385 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 5: have had friends before, not in this queendom. You have 386 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 5: had friends before that I haven't been crazy about huh. 387 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 5: I didn't distance myself from them though, because I still 388 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 5: wanted that relationship with you. 389 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 1: Hmm okay, that makes sense. 390 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 5: And I still gave them time because you were still there, 391 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,360 Speaker 5: you were still friends with them, you still wanted them 392 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 5: in your life. I wasn't gonna not be a part 393 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 5: of that because of I agree with you and I 394 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 5: get what you're saying. But if there's one bad apple, 395 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 5: but you still want like say her best friend is 396 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 5: in that group and wants to be in that group. 397 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 5: I can see where that wouldn't be easy to walk 398 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 5: away from. 399 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense totally. 400 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 3: I think it's worth just having conversations like that is 401 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,439 Speaker 3: what's interesting to me. Like I've had to apologize to 402 00:17:56,440 --> 00:18:00,160 Speaker 3: people to say, like, I don't this is interesting. Thing 403 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,239 Speaker 3: is I kind of think it's pretty accurate, Like I 404 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 3: don't I don't think to plan something and include everyone. 405 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: I just don't. I don't default to that, which is 406 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 1: and not to exclude anyone. It's just usually like if. 407 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 3: I was going to plan something with not one of 408 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 3: you two, because I feel like we're kind of partnery, 409 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 3: like a random girlfriend of mine, I wouldn't be like, 410 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 3: I wonder if so and so would want to come too. 411 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 3: I'd be like, oh, we're gonna have a little one 412 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 3: on one time. Like I just don't default to big groups. 413 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 3: We have a family member who very much defaults to 414 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:31,439 Speaker 3: big group and everyone is always invited, always, and that 415 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 3: is a very big adjustment for me. Yeah, I don't 416 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 3: operate that way. So even in the queendom, it was 417 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 3: hard for me at the very beginning, and even Sarah 418 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 3: actually said something to day she's like, you know, I 419 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 3: just really love these girls. I love them, And she 420 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 3: said I fought, kicking and screaming to be in the queendom. Remember, 421 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 3: she kept deleting herself, but she was like, I didn't. 422 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 3: I just didn't know I could. I was too much 423 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 3: for me or whatever. And but she's still very much 424 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 3: a one on one. She rarely hangs out with you know. 425 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 3: I mean, like, I don't ever hang out with Sarah. Yeah, 426 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 3: and I don't actually either, but we do voice memo 427 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:06,679 Speaker 3: a bit, but she lives close to me. 428 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,360 Speaker 4: It's very much a one on one person though too. 429 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 3: I got to consider myself that way though, which is interesting. 430 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 3: You are, yeah, like, I'm still not like a I 431 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 3: don't know. It's just interesting because I think it's just 432 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 3: different personality types. I would never ce someone out, and 433 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 3: I would never if they're in, they're in. What do 434 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 3: you think about the husband's entering the chat needless? 435 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: And I mean I'm sweet though, I mean if they're 436 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 1: defending their people. 437 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:47,919 Speaker 3: I think immaturity is married immaturity. But that's just my 438 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 3: two cents. I just I think it's wild and we 439 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 3: are grown women with children. The fact that we're icing 440 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 3: people out, or that our husbands are having to come 441 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 3: to defense, like this is wild, this is high school, 442 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 3: this is crazy. 443 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 5: I just wish we'd know. I don't I wish we 444 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 5: know because it's not our business. I just think we're 445 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 5: missing so many details. Of course that for them to 446 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 5: feel the need to come to defense, I don't know. 447 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 5: I feel like there's I don't know. I think it's 448 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 5: kind of sweet. I don't know why we have to 449 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:15,719 Speaker 5: have it all in the public eye for everybody. But 450 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 5: I don't know they made it who they were though, well, 451 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 5: I know that's why it's no alleged anymore. And maybe 452 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 5: that's why they were doing it, because didn't the publicist 453 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 5: say it wasn't about. 454 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: I don't know. 455 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 2: There was so much there was that there was one 456 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 2: it wasn't those two, But then the husband's yes came out, so. 457 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 5: I think that was their way of wanting to make 458 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 5: sure everybody knew that it was. 459 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 3: But I just think these things become beasts that we 460 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 3: can feed. If we continue to feed it, then it 461 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 3: continues to get like if you're in that friend growl. 462 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 2: So it's like like, would you have wanted Preston to 463 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 2: come to your defense if no. 464 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 3: I'd actually be embarrassed, but I I don't know, I'm 465 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 3: I feel I feel it's interesting because I'm like really think, 466 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 3: you know, I had this whole conversation like I'm not 467 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 3: easily offended. I'm really not, which I kind of like 468 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 3: about me. But I do get I've had hurt feelings. 469 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 3: I had a friend group when I first moved here 470 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 3: that very much stayed tight, and I became one less 471 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 3: because I had a baby first, so I couldn't come 472 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 3: to events, and then it slowly but surely just kind 473 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 3: of fell off. And I remember like the first thing 474 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 3: that they did where I felt like I should have 475 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 3: been invited and it was like, oh, you know, but 476 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 3: I am more internal, like it's no one's fault but 477 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 3: my own. So the way I see it in my 478 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 3: brain is usually like, man, well I haven't really made 479 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:37,919 Speaker 3: a great effort to stay friends with that person, ya 480 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 3: Like I used to be invited into something, but then 481 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 3: I kind of stopped being invitable because I didn't show 482 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 3: up right. So then I'm like, well, how much have 483 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 3: I reached out to them? And they're living different lives 484 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 3: than me, like I have a baby now and all that. 485 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 3: So it was my signal to myself to go like 486 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 3: I need a nurture because I missed them, but not 487 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 3: so I was campaigning just because I missed connecting with them. 488 00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: And I do that too, because I'll get in these stages. 489 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 5: I'm like, man, I will you know, And I was like, gosh, well, 490 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 5: I haven't reached I haven't reached out like it takes 491 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 5: two to have a friendship. So I mean, yeah, I 492 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 5: mean yeah, I mean it's tough, you know. It's It's 493 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 5: so interesting though, because this really makes me think about 494 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 5: like the influencer world in Nashville and like, how because 495 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 5: I have so much to say not well, it does 496 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 5: seem like this is a little bit like, you know, 497 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 5: is she relevant enough? Is she you know, even though 498 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 5: not all of them are actors, not all of them 499 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 5: we know their names, but is she relevant enough? Is 500 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 5: she you know, to be in the group or whatever? 501 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 5: And it just the first time I read this, I 502 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 5: was like, if this isn't like put me back in. 503 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 5: Not that I've ever tried to be in friendships or 504 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 5: in groups with necessarily the Nashville influencer group, but when 505 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 5: you go to those events, how And I'm speaking for 506 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 5: myself because I am not in the influencer world. I 507 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 5: can't do anything for these influencers. I can't, you know, 508 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 5: going to these events feel so uncomfortable and so unwanted. 509 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 5: And maybe I put that on myself, but it just 510 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 5: made me think of that and like in the LA world, 511 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 5: how much worse that's probably, but it is here a 512 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 5: lot in Nashville too. How it's like, are you important enough? 513 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 5: Can you do anything for them? Are you, you know, 514 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,880 Speaker 5: cool enough? Are you cool enough to be in this group? 515 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 5: Every time I've ever gone to an influencer group, I'm 516 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 5: not cool, Like I'm just going. 517 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: You cool enough? In my case? 518 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 4: Oh, the countrywide group is definitely not. 519 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: But do you know what I'm saying? Like is he 520 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: successful enough? Is he you know? 521 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 4: I can only imagine. 522 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just yeah, And. 523 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 4: I'm not trying to put down. 524 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 5: Any specific and I do have some friends that are influencers, 525 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 5: I mean, but it also. 526 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 4: Does get very catty. 527 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 3: I've been first hand in it, and it is I've 528 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 3: never wanted to be an influencer necessarily, but I think 529 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 3: by default, like you're just sharing life, so we start. 530 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 1: I wouldn't still classify myself that way, I guess but well, 531 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 1: and see, that's the thing. 532 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 5: Both of y'all, technically, I guess, are influencers in different ways, 533 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 5: but I don't like. That's why I'm sitting here going, 534 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 5: wait a minute, are y'all influencers as I'm talking about? 535 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: I don't think I am. 536 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 4: I don't see y'all as influencers. 537 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 5: It's different, and I don't know how to explain that 538 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 5: to people outside of the microphone. 539 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 4: How different that is. 540 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 5: Like there's these events that people go to, like influencers 541 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 5: to really and again, some of them are lovely people 542 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 5: I'm not like, but. 543 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 3: The events are always like perfectly curated, and they show 544 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 3: up online in such a way that gives you the 545 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 3: most fomo. And I often wish I could just describe 546 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 3: the feelings in that environment because it's so disconnected sometimes. 547 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,679 Speaker 3: And some of them are insanely and profoundly connective and 548 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 3: beautiful and wonderful spaces to be in. And then there's 549 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 3: others where it is like I went to one not 550 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,120 Speaker 3: long ago a girlfriend, would you be my plus one 551 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 3: to this? She's like, I think it'd be really great, 552 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 3: blah blah blah. 553 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: So we went and we got in. 554 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 3: She was like, the mission here is this is like, 555 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 3: but this is just to give insight to the people 556 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 3: that aren't in this little orbit. Just I want you 557 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,479 Speaker 3: to like really process this information because what you're going 558 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 3: to see is going to make it feel like we 559 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 3: all just sat around and braided each other's hair and 560 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 3: we gotten these deep discussions when really photographers are circling. 561 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,439 Speaker 3: So at any point, don't take a bite of that 562 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 3: beautiful appetizer that you've perfectly curated in ROYGBIV mode, because 563 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 3: if you do that, then you're going to be caught 564 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 3: chewing in the background, which is usually the photo of me. 565 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 3: So it's like, you know, there's it's like she came in, 566 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 3: she was like, this is. 567 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 1: What we're going to do. We're going to step and repeat. 568 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 3: We're going to this hat bar, We're going to do that, 569 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 3: We're going to make this, we're going to get this, 570 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 3: and we're going to get out of here. And we 571 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 3: were in and out in probably thirty five minutes. If 572 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 3: you were watching us on it, if you were watching 573 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,360 Speaker 3: the stories, you'd feel like we were there for two 574 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 3: hours and had these deep connective experiences. 575 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 1: Yes, that was absolutely not the case. 576 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 4: It was and it just was so opposite that I. 577 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 3: Didn't even love attending in that way because I thought, now, 578 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 3: what is this for? You know? But then you also 579 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 3: do want to support the women that work hard and 580 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 3: the women that throw these really lavish and expens of parties. 581 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 1: So do some of those mom groups then end up 582 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:04,360 Speaker 1: feeling performative? 583 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 3: I would say, I think I maybe we're apprehensive to 584 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:09,880 Speaker 3: those influence. 585 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 5: I wonder if that's going on in that That's what 586 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 5: I'm saying mom group at all, Like I haven't felt. 587 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 3: Like I fit as an influencer because it felt performative, 588 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 3: and I'm like, well, I want to know why this 589 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 3: person came late or why they feel sad or like 590 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,199 Speaker 3: it just there's no opportunities for that. 591 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 5: So well, and also, if you look at this group, 592 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 5: you have some people how do I say it, You 593 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 5: have some people that aren't actors, aren't actresses, aren't influencers, 594 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 5: aren't you know? They they've got something over here, So 595 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 5: that almost sometimes like for me, for instance, because I'm 596 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 5: not you know, I'm over here. Sometimes that works out 597 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 5: in your favor. Sometimes it's like okay, cool, like you're 598 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 5: just you're here. But sometimes, like in Ashley Tisdale, situations 599 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 5: like Okay, you you know you are this, but are 600 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 5: you cool enough? Are you doing enough? Are you performing enough? 601 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 5: And then it's almost like that person can get ousted 602 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 5: before the people that it doesn't matter, Like you're not 603 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 5: one that's carrying this group, you know what I mean. 604 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 5: I don't know it gets I just feel like maybe 605 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 5: that could have happened, but we're making assumptions to things 606 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 5: that we don't know. 607 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 2: But when it comes to the influencing world, I think 608 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 2: I've always been my own worst enemy in those settings 609 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 2: because I don't feel cool enough for that. I'm like, yeah, 610 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 2: because I'm like, am I like an influence? Like I'm 611 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,719 Speaker 2: not really, but but I do. And so it's I 612 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 2: just don't know, like they just look so put together. 613 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just like and they got the angles and 614 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 4: they're getting. 615 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 2: The cara, so just beautiful and curated, and it's like 616 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 2: I don't. I almost feel like I am not cool 617 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 2: enough to be there. 618 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:45,679 Speaker 4: Yeah. 619 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 3: I always am like I I'm so happy to be invited, 620 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 3: but I just kind of exist in that little like 621 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:51,919 Speaker 3: think thankful to be invited. 622 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,199 Speaker 5: That's just a real clear I'm not invited. I just 623 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 5: go with Janna. 624 00:27:55,440 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 2: Well, but again and that's fine, but listen, I think 625 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, in those situations and 626 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 2: even you know, with the one experience that I had 627 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 2: with one of the people in the group, you know, 628 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 2: when you start to feel like you're maybe not cool enough, 629 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 2: you know, I think that was one of was my experience. Yeah, 630 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 2: I think you could probably explain it better from what 631 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 2: from an outsider standpoint. 632 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you started to feel not flashy enough. 633 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:27,159 Speaker 1: You know. 634 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 5: We had a working relationship with both of them, but 635 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 5: with one of them that I think that it started 636 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,160 Speaker 5: to feel like for all of us and the ones 637 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 5: you know, working, that you were not the next flashy, 638 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 5: you know, bigger thing, and that she was kind of 639 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 5: chasing that, you know, bigger, flashier. 640 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: You know, and that great, you know what I mean. 641 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 2: Like, but the problem is a weird friends too, like, oh, 642 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 2: I guess I'll have to do you, but I could 643 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 2: have done Nicole Kidman, it's like, oh, you can go 644 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 2: like you know, I'm like sorry, you know, And that's 645 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 2: my own personal then insecurity, obviously, I want my friends 646 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 2: to grow and be successful. 647 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: But when it's kind of like, oh, I guess I have. 648 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 2: To because I already said yes to you right right, 649 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 2: makes them that personal feel. 650 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, and you and those comments shouldn't be made. And 651 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 5: when you're in business and you've committed to someone, it 652 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 5: doesn't matter, you know at the end of the day. 653 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 5: And that was my issue and what we had to 654 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 5: come to a head on it. 655 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: You know. 656 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,479 Speaker 5: I'm sorry Nicole Kidman called you you know, or whoever 657 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 5: called you, like, but you were booked with Janna Kramer 658 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 5: at four o'clock, so that's what we're doing or whoever, 659 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 5: And that's I see both sides of that. And I 660 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 5: understand that you want to grow your business and oh 661 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 5: my god, who wouldn't want to go you know, but 662 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 5: when you handle things a certain way and make you 663 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 5: feel like you're not important enough versus, hey, I got 664 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 5: this opportunity with like, could we, you know, figure. 665 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 4: Out how I would love to do that. 666 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 5: But obviously I love you and I want to you know, 667 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 5: there's just how you handle things and you're all a 668 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 5: little immature more. 669 00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: And that was so long ago. 670 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 2: Like water under the bridge is fine, you know what 671 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 2: I mean, Like not close anymore, but that's because we're 672 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 2: in different seasons of life, you know, And it's no like, 673 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 2: not a bad person not, you know, And I just 674 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 2: think it's how you in this situation with Ashley, it's 675 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 2: how you when you're wanting to step away, It's how you. 676 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 2: It's how you do it, because that's what the person's 677 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 2: going to feel when they feel iced out. Yeah, you know, 678 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 2: and that's not a good feeling to be on the 679 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 2: receiving end. Yeah, and I will, you know, especially when 680 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 2: you're friends. Yes, that feels worse. It's like a double punch, absolutely, yeah, 681 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 2: when you're friends. 682 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 5: And you know, it's interesting to see that this has 683 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 5: taken the life it has, you know, this. 684 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 2: Whole story, because everybody wants to be in a mom group, 685 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 2: you know, all the time, the three of us. 686 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean so many dms of people just saying, gosh, 687 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 3: I wish I had what you guys had. 688 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, but it was also interesting. 689 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 5: One thing that came up lately was the girl from 690 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 5: Housewives that was on Housewives. She was friends with them 691 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 5: for a minute, but then she felt iced out when 692 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 5: she started Housewives. So honestly, that kind of negates a 693 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 5: little bit of what we've even kind of assumed about 694 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 5: the situation. Is to me, it seems like that's the 695 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 5: first time I had ever heard of her blanking on 696 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 5: her name, right, Crystal, Crystal, Yes, k Off, Yes, loved 697 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 5: her on Housewives, but. 698 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 2: She said she felt ousted from the group after signing 699 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 2: onto the Roue Housewives franchise, which was which franchise, which 700 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 2: was a she was a part of from twenty twenty 701 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. 702 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 5: So that's interesting because that kind of is the opposite 703 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 5: of what we've kind of assumed that she wasn't flashy 704 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 5: or cool enough, you know, and then Crystal, so you know, 705 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 5: but it also, you know, solidifies a little bit of 706 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 5: her feelings and that she's had the same situation. 707 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 2: But yeah, and I think it's about being aware if 708 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 2: there's one person and listen, if we don't want that 709 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 2: one person. It's about having grown up. We are in 710 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 2: all in our forties, we're all moms, and having that which, 711 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 2: by the way, you guys, I have a topic that 712 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 2: I'm pinning for the next episode. It is about this, 713 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 2: and it involves Jolie and making her birthday list. And 714 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 2: I have my own set of feelings, but they're mine 715 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 2: that I don't want to put on her. So let's 716 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 2: pause this and we'll get to that on the next episode. 717 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: I love you. 718 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 2: I'm so happy that we're in this little Oh thank goodness. 719 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 2: You know, and listen. If I'm bothering you or I'm 720 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 2: doing something, just communicate with me. 721 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 3: Don't don't not invite me. Please just always have gracious 722 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 3: assumption of me. 723 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 5: Please just send me a text and say I am 724 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 5: not inviting you. 725 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: I don't want you there, but I would show. 726 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 4: Up, and you've got to know what's going to happen. 727 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 3: I would rather run myself over with a car.