1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I do. Welcome to Steph. 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: I never told you protection of iHeart Radio, and welcome 3 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: to another sub sub sub. However, many sub segments of 4 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: around the World, activists around the World, advocates around the World. 5 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 1: We changed the dames a few times picture a little 6 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: women around the World. So I've mentioned in our past 7 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 1: episode on Wednesday Adams that I was in a bit 8 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 1: of a pickle because of the last of Us, and 9 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: everyone knows I want to talk about the last Us. 10 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: I've already chosen the four x fictional women from the 11 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: last ones I want to talk about. But I said, 12 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:47,919 Speaker 1: I'm gonna pickle because now, even though I've spoiled this 13 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 1: a million times in the show, people who haven't, who 14 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: have somehow like not taken that in this show is 15 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: airing not a sponsor currently on HBO, and I was like, 16 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: I can't talk about it. And it turns out was 17 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: correct because a lot of people have contacted man have 18 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: been like, please don't spoil it. I'm like, however, you 19 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: not have been spoiled. You know me, I've talked about 20 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: it repeatedly, Yes, but I I shall not do it. 21 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: But you better believe that I am ready once the 22 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: show in is that's not going to be a very 23 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: long period before the other issue though, is that's in 24 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: Star Wars territory too. Yeah, these are the things I 25 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: wrestle with with with our massive calendar that we Yes, 26 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: we've got some things on the calendar, yes, yes, um. 27 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: And also this one is not sponsored by HBO Max, 28 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: not just because the last ones. But we're talking today 29 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: about Velma Dinkley of Scooby Doo and there is a 30 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: new show that I have not seen. Full disclosure, I 31 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: have seen a lot of stuff written about it I 32 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: have not seen, so that is not a sponsor. I 33 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: I just wanted to talk about Velma because as we're 34 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: gonna get into this show. Before this new series was announced, 35 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: there was all of this conversation about Velma online that 36 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 1: I saw, and I was like, Oh, that's interesting. I 37 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: hadn't considered doing her. She wasn't on my list, my 38 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: very long fictional women around the world list. I was like, oh, yeah, 39 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: I would love to talk about her because I grew 40 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 1: up loving Scooby Doo. Did you watch Scooby Doo? I didn't. 41 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: It was one of those things that was out of 42 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 1: my time frame. Either I was in Korea when it 43 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 1: kind of became big because of the older old version, 44 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 1: or I was already a teenager ish when it came 45 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: like re redid things, you know how they did, like 46 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: I was getting to the later ages. Uh. This is 47 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: also my own thing about like not watching a lot 48 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 1: of cartoons. That's true, You're not a big cartoon pan. 49 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,119 Speaker 1: I loved it. It was what I would watch when 50 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: I was home sick, and you know, like they would 51 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:53,679 Speaker 1: do those vhs is, yes, just hss is, and it 52 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: would just have like three like the Top three episode 53 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: was with ghosts in them or the Top three with 54 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: this and them, and I just watch them over and 55 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: over to the point like when I was doing this 56 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: outline some of the old lines, I could hear them 57 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 1: just rattling around in my brain. Oh really, that's that 58 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 1: familiar to you. Well, I'll say I did watch the 59 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: Supernatural crossover Natural. Yes, yes, I saw somebody dressed as 60 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: them that like whole crew at Dragon Con once and 61 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: I was like that, it is a good costume. I 62 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: like that. Yes. Well, speaking of deep dives, there is 63 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: a movie It is not very good, but I do 64 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 1: love it called Scooby Doo on Zombie Island. I could 65 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: probably quote most of that movie. It's not very good, 66 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: but it had it had a sound check. My third 67 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: eye blind. Really was this a live action or was 68 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: it a cartoon. It's a cartoon, but it's a it's 69 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: a movie, like not just show um, and Mark Hamill 70 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: is the voice of Scrugs. Really, that's a little puppy right, No, no, no, no, 71 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: that's Scrappy in famously hate. It's scrappy. Scruggs is like 72 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: this like Alligator Wrangler who seemed too much. Honestly, it 73 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: is like his other character it. Yeah, but I watched 74 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: that movie not because I loved Scooby Doo. I think 75 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: I'd kind of like moved out of my Scooby Doo 76 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: phase by then. Um, it was because Mark Hamill was 77 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 1: in it. And I've made the people my kind people 78 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: at Savor the other podcast, I do watch Scooby Doo 79 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 1: on Zombie Island when the pandemic first started. It was 80 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: on Netflix at the time. Also not a sponsor. But anyway, 81 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: I it's just got a warm place of my heart. Apparently, 82 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: Oh Scruggs, I think it's Scruggs. I could be wrong. 83 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 1: It's his name is not said very I think it's 84 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: said once. But anyway, okay, anyway, anyway, anyway, Yes, there is. 85 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: Part of the inspiration for this was this new show 86 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: that have not seen UM called Velma, which is an 87 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: animated show adults show UM about Velma's origin story, and 88 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 1: it caused quite the hubbub when it was announced, kind 89 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 1: of on the tail end of something else we're going 90 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,359 Speaker 1: to talk about, but it was sort of like clearly 91 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: announced that she was gay, uh and also Asian. So 92 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: we're not gonna, as I said, I haven't seen the show, 93 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: there's not gonna be spoilers for it. We're mostly just 94 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 1: going to talk about kind of her history and then 95 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 1: why there was all this controversial conversation happening around her. Yeah. Yeah, 96 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 1: um So she has appeared in cartoons, comics, books, movies, games, 97 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: and toys over the years. Twelve actresses have voiced animated Velma, 98 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: while four have played her in live action adaptions, and 99 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,679 Speaker 1: her origin story has been revamped several times. But as always, 100 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: we're going to do our bests. Uh So. Velma was 101 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: the first created by Joe Ruby and Kin Spears in 102 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: nineteen nine for Scooby Doo. Where are you? I imagine 103 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: I don't have to explain Scooby Doo, but maybe I do. Um. Basically, 104 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 1: it started as an animated children's show following the Scooby 105 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: Gang as they were called, Fred Daphne, Shaggy, Velma and 106 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: Scooby Scooby as a dog in case you don't know, 107 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: but the rest of our teams, and they go around 108 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: and they're brightly colored mystery machine van and solve mysteries. 109 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 1: They meddle in affairs of villains everywhere. It has had 110 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: a long lasting popularity and cultural impact. It's inspired spinoffs, reboots, 111 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: live action adaptions, and some truly head scratching crossovers and cameos. 112 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: Oh my god, just look that up. It's hilarious. Each 113 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: character kind of represents a trope, and Velma is the 114 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: somewhat nerdy smart one. Uh and yes, their cut traders Jinkies, 115 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: which was originally ad libbed by the first voice actress 116 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: Nicole Jaff. The character was inspired by Zelda Gaileroy from 117 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: the sixty sitcom The Many Loves of Dobie Dobbie Dobe Gills, 118 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: Gills Giless. I just butchered that whole thing. I have 119 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: not heard of this, But anyway, back to Velma. She 120 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: has ten length auburn hair, freckles, thick square glasses that 121 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: she often loses, and typically wears a large orange turtleneck sweater, 122 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: a reddish skirt, long orange socks, complete with black Mary 123 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: Jane shoes. It's very iconic look. According to some descriptions 124 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: I read, she is quote heavy set. What yes, and 125 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: I know, well there apparently there's one episode which I 126 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: don't remember, where you see her in daphne bathing suits 127 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: and it's just imply like she's the bigger one. Um. 128 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: And then there's also a line she says where it's 129 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: time to start my diet. When and when she says 130 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: that line, it's in a crossover episode with the Adams Family. 131 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: But anyway, yeah, yeah, um. She also has a phobia 132 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: of clowns, which she overcame. I feel her. Yes, Velma 133 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: has a love and fascination with mysteries, and she can 134 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: be quite competitive with others over it. Um. She's sarcastic, witty, 135 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: protective of her friends, and she can be sneaky and secretive. Um. 136 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 1: Of the group, she's definitely the skeptic. She's the one 137 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: like that is not a ghost. I know there's I 138 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: know one thing that's not a GHO. Less we can 139 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 1: find a logical explanation behind this. Um. She has a 140 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,719 Speaker 1: hodgepodge of skills, like she knows morse code. Um, that 141 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: what she learned in the Girl Scouts. She can identify 142 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: a fake jewel, which is pretty cool. Um, some basic 143 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: martial art, and she's generally strong. She has a wrestling 144 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: move she calls the Fine Dinkley um, which it involves 145 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: like holding two people up in your arms, So pretty impressive. Yeah, 146 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 1: she loves hockey and she can talk about hockey strategy. 147 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: She's had a few jobs. This is one of the 148 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: things that confused me the most because you're also kind 149 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 1: of watching this even as a kid. I was like, 150 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: so their job is they solved mysteries. Um. Anyway, she 151 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 1: has been a freelance detective in her hometown, which, by 152 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:34,719 Speaker 1: the way, the name of their hometown is cool Coolsville. Coolsville. Yep. 153 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: She's been an extra and like movies. Uh, she has 154 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: been the owner of a carnival, but that was like 155 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: for one episode. Um. She's been a research assistant. She's 156 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: been the owner of a mystery themed bookshop that was 157 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 1: in Scooby Doo Zombie Island. That's how I kind of 158 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: knew her. And speaking of she has had a handful 159 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: of romantic interest over time. Most of them soundthing like 160 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: a horror writer or detective, which was the case in 161 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: Scooby Doo Zombie Island, or a movie star. But let's 162 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: talk about some of the recent conversation, starting with the 163 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 1: fact that she is portrayed as East Asian in this 164 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: new show. Um this is not the first time when 165 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: a color had voiced her. The new reboot, she's voiced 166 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: by mendicaling um or that she's been animated as having 167 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,959 Speaker 1: darker skin. Of course, racists on the internet, we're not 168 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 1: happy about it. Of course, yea. Some Asian Americans worried 169 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: that reimagining Velma as Asian played into the smart, nerdy 170 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 1: Asian stereotype of the model minority myth. So that was 171 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: a concerned people who were talking about and I read 172 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: an article about it that can have an interview from 173 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 1: sociologist Nancy Wong Gwen who said, of this, I grew 174 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: up with Scooby Doo and Velma, and for sure I 175 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 1: could really see her as East Asian hopefully not in 176 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: a model minority way, but a quirky way that's kind 177 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: of bookish, but she's multifaceted. The fact that she could 178 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: be nerdy that was kind of revolutionary back then as 179 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: someone who was an Asian American female nerd, a person 180 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: who was geeky and nerdy but into fashion all sorts 181 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: of stuff. I hope she can embody so much more 182 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: than the nerd. And like I said, this was written 183 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 1: I think before the show came out. But also, um, 184 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: as I said at the top, I do Scooby Doo is, 185 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 1: you know, in a lot of ways, a very simple 186 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 1: kind of show where you have the smart one, you 187 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: get your pretty one, you've got like your yeah, exactly exactly. 188 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 1: So I think these concerns were founded. Um. Second, yes, 189 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: she has been confirmed as queer, and some conservatives predictably 190 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: males it down about it. Um, she has also been 191 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: previously voiced by a queer person, and the queer person 192 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: was like, yes, obviously, I think they do a whole 193 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: like hello, I voiced the right and I want to 194 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: interject here like this is kind of that level of 195 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: when we talk about people who get chances on being 196 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: a star or the star of the show. They're typically white, 197 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: and that the only way it works. This is one 198 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: of those examples of when you see imagine because there's 199 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,839 Speaker 1: it's a cartoon, right, not a real person, and people 200 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: get upset because they're not white. This is why we 201 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: have to have a moment will be like, well, of 202 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 1: course they're white, so you need to understand that is 203 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: an advantage in itself, right, Yeah, that was what I think. 204 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: There has been so much written about Velma. You guys, 205 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 1: you can go read it, but that was one of 206 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:29,839 Speaker 1: the points a lot of them made, was like it's 207 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: a cartoon, like once again, mythical figures, cartoons. I'm not 208 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: really sure why you can't see a revamping, right exactly. 209 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,559 Speaker 1: In uh So, going back to this sort of threat 210 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: of almost queerness, the producer for Scooby Doo Mystery Incorporated, 211 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: which ran from said that he always intended for a 212 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: Velma to be gay in his version and that the 213 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: show was canceled before they could get to the planned 214 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 1: romance between her and her rival Marcy Fleech, and he said, 215 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: uh censorship was also at play. Here's part of what 216 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: he posted about it. I've said this before, but Velma 217 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: and mystery incorporated is not by she is gay. We 218 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 1: always planned on Velma acting a little off and out 219 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: of character while she was dating Shaggy, because that relationship 220 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,719 Speaker 1: was wrong for her and she had unspoken difficulty with 221 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: the why. There are hints about the why in that 222 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: episode with the Mermaid, and if you follow the entire 223 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:27,839 Speaker 1: Marcy arc, it seems as clear as we could make 224 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: it ten years ago. Who um and then James Gunn, 225 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: who I did not know, wrote the first two live 226 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: action movies. Really brother in there? That would have been 227 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: the clue. He always got his brother in the movies. 228 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: It's true, It's true. I mean I have not watched 229 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 1: those movies, and at all time I bet they did 230 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: not age will. But anyway, he wrote, Yes, he wrote 231 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:56,559 Speaker 1: these first two live action movies, which by the way, 232 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: I only saw because there was a trailer for Airy 233 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: Potter before it. What a what a time to be alive. Anyway, 234 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: he said something similar quote in two thousand one. Velma 235 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: was explicitly gay in my initial script, but the studio 236 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: just kept watering it down and watering it down, becoming ambiguous. 237 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: The version shot, then nothing, the released version, and finally 238 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: having a boyfriend the sequel, and I think that's something 239 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: we hear a lot where that's sort of and I 240 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: know this conversation, we've had it before. It's very complex 241 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: and nuanced. But going back to that queer baiting thing 242 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: where you'll see a trailer and it's sort of like implied, Oh, 243 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: here's this character and it's a queer relationship, and they 244 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: might have even shot seems around that, and then it's 245 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: not in there at all, Like even this thing you 246 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: saw the trailer might not right there, which someone got 247 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: sued for. Yes, I was thinking about that, um and 248 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: I went through right, so they you're not supposed to 249 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: mislead in the trailery. What did they win or is 250 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: it currently going? I think they won, um, but it 251 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: might be current going. Uh. Well, anyway, if you don't 252 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: know about that. Some fans were mad that it was 253 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: implied and Adarmis would be any thing, and then she wasn't. 254 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: These dudes really wanted her in the film. She was 255 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: cut out completely, so they were mad and they slew 256 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: the studio. Yes, so I guess we'll have to come 257 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: back and check in on that. But going back to Alma, 258 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: her queer status was confirmed in a promo for Trick 259 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: or Treat in two. But in a lot of people's minds, 260 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: she has a long history of being queer coded um 261 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: fans is speculated for decades that Velma He's gay, was gay. 262 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: It was forty years before the character was shown dating anyone, 263 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: and it was shaggy. Because of that, a lot of 264 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: fans theorized it was because she wasn't into men. I 265 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: totally get that, I've done that, but I also I 266 00:15:57,640 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: am like, I wonder how much there was kind of 267 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: the nerd get a date. That's what I thought, yes, 268 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: stereotype as well. I'm not like, even though I watched 269 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: it at as a kid, that's not what I was 270 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: That's not what I was like remembering or putting together. 271 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: I wasn't into romance, So I'm sure if there's plenty 272 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: of stuff I didn't even pick up on. But yeah, 273 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: because there's always that comparison between Daphne and Velma, and 274 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: Velma obviously can't get the boys of Daphne's around. That's 275 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: what I had assumed as a kid. I guess yeah, 276 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: me as well, And I think there's certainly that at play. 277 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: And this is also an interesting conversation which I'm I'm 278 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: very excited to have we have we are going to 279 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: have it. Um about what happens when like how fandom 280 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: interprets things versus what the creator meant. Because there's a 281 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: part of me that just thinks the creator and this 282 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: is all this is all my anecdotal kind of gut 283 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: reaction that the creators never meant troop for us to 284 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: be like, oh she's queer, she's never had a date. 285 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: They meant for it to be like, oh, she's the 286 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: nerdy one have to date. But fans took it and 287 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: we're like, no, it can be this. Yeah, And going 288 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: back to that, a lot of fans thought Velma joined 289 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 1: the Scooby Doo gang for Daphne, that she was into Daphne. Yeah, 290 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 1: whether or not she knew it, because that's another interesting part. 291 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 1: I read a lot of good articles about like whether 292 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: she had internalized homophobia or just didn't know she was queer, 293 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: couldn't quite articulate it yet, that she had this kind 294 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: of what the one of the previous quotes we said, Um, 295 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: it's like she was dating Shaggy, but she knew it 296 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 1: was wrong. She just didn't know why it was wrong 297 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 1: and why didn't work and kind of figuring that out. 298 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: But the ship between Velma and Daphne is so popular 299 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 1: that when the TV movie Daphne and Velma came out 300 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: in fans were hoping it would be revealed that they 301 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: were a couple. Uh it was not, but it was 302 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: a very people were very excited about it. That other 303 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: thing I saw brought up a lot about it was 304 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: she didn't dress super femininely. She was physically strong. Traits 305 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 1: that are normalized now were more normalized than they were 306 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: when this first came out, at least because yeah, they 307 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: were pretty rare in the early sixties, I mean late sixties, 308 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: early seventies. Um. People have said she's relatable, that she 309 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: owns who she is. I would agree with that, and 310 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: that she's long been a been a feminist icon because 311 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: of that. Um and and largely people really celebrated these things. 312 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 1: You know, get your hate on the internet this vitriol 313 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 1: and so loud, um and so gross. But most of 314 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: the stuff I read, which wasn't just like in my 315 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 1: corner of the Internet, but like big articles by big, 316 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: big people, Um, we're into it, we're celebrating it. I 317 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,239 Speaker 1: will say a lot of people do connect also with 318 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 1: that she's kind of the she's into the mystery aspect, 319 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 1: she's in two books. She's just like because if you're 320 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: watching it, you probably are too, or at least as 321 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 1: a part of it for some people. As I said, 322 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: I haven't seen the new show. I am so confused 323 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: by so many of the headlines I'm reading about it. Um, 324 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: it has been major league review bombed. I think there's 325 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: like very bad face things happening going on here in 326 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: very good faith things happening. But it's like so confusing 327 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: that I can't in this episode, I can't talk about it. Um, 328 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: I think we should come back. I think a lot 329 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: of that has to do with the creator of this show, 330 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: Like it's not necessarily the show. I don't know, I've 331 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 1: never said it, but but it seems like the controversy 332 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 1: is around the creator and instead of the actual show, 333 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: which could be a whole conversation about seeing women and 334 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: writing and creating and doing their own narrative. Or it 335 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,360 Speaker 1: could be true like maybe what they've done is overshadowing 336 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: or maybe past things that have been implicated is overshadowing 337 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,919 Speaker 1: the show. Right, Yeah, it's it's like a mess. I 338 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 1: was getting overwhelmed by trying to to suss out like 339 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: what was especially because I haven't seen it like what 340 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 1: is done in faith in this conversation. So I do 341 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: think we should come back and talk about it. But 342 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: as a women around the world fiction only around the 343 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: world segment, I think it was too much. It was 344 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: too much, but just to know there is I mean, 345 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 1: there's a lot of other things we could have talked 346 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 1: about to you. There is a lot of conversation happening 347 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: about this, so if you want to read more. Um, 348 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 1: I really enjoyed reading a bunch of these articles about it, 349 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 1: and I liked hearing people's like Vanish, how excited they 350 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: were about this character. Right, there was a lot of 351 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 1: excitement to it. I remember, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um. So, listeners, 352 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: if you have any thoughts about this, if you're huge 353 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: Scooby Doo fan, if you've seen the show, uh please 354 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: I'll let us know. 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