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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio News.

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Speaker 2: Well, I love what Majority Leader John Thune said. It's

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Speaker 2: clear as mud in terms of the sequencing. But the

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Speaker 2: priorities are clear for President elect Trump in order to

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Speaker 2: get as a gender through and we're going to talk

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Speaker 2: about that right now with former Speaker of the House

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Speaker 2: Kevin McCarthy. You know how challenging it is its slim

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Speaker 2: majorities to get anything done in Congress.

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Speaker 3: What's your advice to President Trump?

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Speaker 2: Does he go for this one big, beautiful bill or

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Speaker 2: does he lean on the Senate who wants to see

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Speaker 2: a two track approach.

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Speaker 1: I think one bill is the right answer, and this

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Speaker 1: is why you've got to understand for you.

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Speaker 3: But is it big? Well, this is the point. It's different. Okay,

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Speaker 3: this is the.

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Speaker 1: First time in modern history the majority in the Senate

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Speaker 1: is larger than the House. So the Senate's going to

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Speaker 1: have a different view. They've got fifty three, but they

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Speaker 1: really have fifty four. By having the Vice president. The

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Speaker 1: House is and has a smaller majority than it had

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Speaker 1: in the last Congress.

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Speaker 3: They lost seats why everybody else won?

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Speaker 1: Plus come January twentieth, they're going to lose two more

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Speaker 1: members for a time period. Those two Florida seats won't

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Speaker 1: get filled till April first, and then the New York

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Speaker 1: seat won't get filled to after that. So you can't

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Speaker 1: take that many bites of the apple. And remember for

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Speaker 1: your viewers why you're doing reconciliation. It's a special provision

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Speaker 1: that allows you, if your party controls the scent in

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Speaker 1: the House, to pass in the Senate without sixty votes.

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Speaker 1: But you can't write a perfect bill. So this is

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Speaker 1: how the Democrats did Obama carrots, how we did tax reform.

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Speaker 3: You've got tax reform.

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Speaker 1: You have to get done by the end of the year,

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Speaker 1: otherwise your taxes all go up.

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Speaker 3: So the pressure is on you.

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Speaker 1: If you make the bill too big and too beautiful,

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Speaker 1: most in history, it collapses upon itself because it's too big.

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Speaker 1: The reason why they're looking at two different bills. They

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Speaker 1: need money now for the border, but I believe the

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Speaker 1: border is a disaster. Declare it a disaster. Pull money

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Speaker 1: from the disaster fund. You're going to be putting more

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Speaker 1: now because tax will take a little longer. The other

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Speaker 1: problem they have, though, is they made a mistake they

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Speaker 1: never finished the funding from last year, and this is

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Speaker 1: a disadvantage for Trump. They hurt Trump by making him

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Speaker 1: worry about last year's funding now, which is due in March.

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Speaker 3: Is that a fault of Speaker Johnson?

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Speaker 1: I don't know whose fault it is, but they should

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Speaker 1: have got the job done okay, and they should have

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Speaker 1: done the debt ceiling already.

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Speaker 3: So these are two.

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Speaker 1: Provisions that the Democrats could use to an advantage and

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Speaker 1: slow down your agenda. So the first thing I would do,

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Speaker 1: you still have time now finish the funding from last

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Speaker 1: year and take care of the debt ceiling, so President

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Speaker 1: Trump could have the honeymoon or the agenda he wants

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Speaker 1: to start putting forward. Because we're now in they got

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Speaker 1: to confirm in the Senate the new cabinet. He's got

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Speaker 1: to get his people in line to start working. But

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Speaker 1: President Trump knows this job already. He knows he's got

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Speaker 1: four years. He's not going to waste one moment. He'll

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Speaker 1: do tremendous on the executive orders, but he needs the

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Speaker 1: legislative body to catch up to him.

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Speaker 2: Who's going to be that moderating voice to make sure

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Speaker 2: that it's not too big, so that it doesn't actually collapse.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's what I love. It's the free market. It's

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Speaker 3: So you think it's this bond market.

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Speaker 2: We've seen yields go up, people start to help. That's

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Speaker 2: going to be on the debt financial discipline? Do you

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Speaker 2: think the bond market is? Do you have does Congress

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Speaker 2: have room to spend as much as Trump's rhetoric is

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Speaker 1: Well the problem Trump's just now coming in. It's like

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Speaker 1: I'm taking over a company, and remember what the debt

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Speaker 3: You've got to give him leeway.

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Speaker 1: So all it says is paying the debt that the

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Speaker 1: last people had spent. But the debt ceiling doesn't solve

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Speaker 1: all these problems.

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Speaker 3: The market right.

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Speaker 2: Now is pricing in his future plans and spending.

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Speaker 3: Will that be the moderating We're not counting in Doze? Okay?

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Speaker 1: I think this is good because it gives people the opportunity.

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Speaker 1: But the way to handle this, and I tried to

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Speaker 1: get Biden to go for this. In nineteen eighty nine,

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Speaker 1: the Soviet Union collapsed, so we need to reform our

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Speaker 1: But this was the important part.

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Speaker 3: You had teeth to it. If they got their work.

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Speaker 1: Done, it got to vote in the House and the

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Speaker 3: They need to do something like that for Doge.

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Speaker 1: When Doge gets their work done, let them vote in

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Speaker 1: know whether you can get it. I think one of

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Speaker 1: our greatest threat is our debt. Okay, but we've got

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Speaker 1: to do a lot of things going forward. The debt

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Speaker 1: ceiling is not a part of that. You should take

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Speaker 1: that out of the way. Let the president be able

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Speaker 2: Are you feeling that this can potentially be done though

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Speaker 2: in April? What Speaker Johnson's talking about all of this spending,

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Speaker 2: reconciliation and a disaster.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think it's hard to say by April first,

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Speaker 1: because you haven't put every vote matters. I'd wait to

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Speaker 1: the Florida seats because that's two more seats. You can't

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Speaker 1: get tax done that fast because remember tax, they're going

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Speaker 1: to do something about salt. They're going to do something

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Speaker 1: about tax on tips. That costs money, so how are

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Speaker 1: you going to pay for it? But you've got to

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Speaker 1: start working on the border. So take that money from

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Speaker 3: Get that done.

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Speaker 1: You want to do something on energy, but if you

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Speaker 1: put the debt ceiling to reconciliation.

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Speaker 2: Which is what people are talking about, that won't work.

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Speaker 1: And this is why because there are members in the

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Speaker 1: have no votes to see.

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Speaker 2: House Freedom Caucus. Yeah, so you should wins that fight

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Speaker 3: Well, no, Trump will always win.

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Speaker 1: House Freedom Caucus loses from that perspective because the House

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Speaker 3: Are going to go up.

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Speaker 1: And you know a lot of you've watched in the

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Speaker 1: House Freedom Caucus. Their former chairman was anti Trump. They

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Speaker 3: So nobody can fight here.

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Speaker 1: They've got to focus on priorities, but they got to

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Speaker 1: focus on the policy. You're not going to get it

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent right, but government isn't designed.

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Speaker 2: That way right.

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Speaker 3: You've got to have combat because you've got to deal

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Speaker 3: with the Senate. But you will get this done. It's

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Speaker 3: in the sequencing of how you do it. I also

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Speaker 2: You mentioned California the disaster at the top. How do

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Speaker 2: inaugurated and the incoming tragedy devastating fires that are apocalyptic,

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Speaker 2: people not having their homes, not having enough water, not

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Speaker 2: having enough firefighters. How is he going to work with

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Speaker 3: There's a third point too.

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Speaker 1: A lot of these families lost their insurance in the

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Speaker 1: last six months because of Gavin Newsom's anability to deal

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Speaker 3: He gallivanted around.

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Speaker 1: You know the saddest part about all of this, We've

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Speaker 1: had these fires before I went out to California, with

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Speaker 3: Down to Malibu that had a fire as well.

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Speaker 1: Trump is saying, you got to take the fuel away. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think you're going to see Trump will be there

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Speaker 1: The President Trump did that lab time. Had Gavin followed through,

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Speaker 3: You're going to see him double down even harder on this.

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Speaker 1: But California, the state, they've got to change their behavior,

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Speaker 1: and I think what President Trump will do is put

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Speaker 1: the mechanism is where Gavin cannot make this mistake again.

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Speaker 2: Since you left Congress, I know you've been focused on AI.

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Speaker 2: I want you to want to end on this, but

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Speaker 3: Trump.

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Speaker 2: You were at mar A Lago just last week. Do

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Speaker 3: I serve for a long time.

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Speaker 1: I want to utilize the knowledge I have from being

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Speaker 1: speaker and everything else, and also on the outside that

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Speaker 1: Congress starts looking at the issues in the next fifty

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Speaker 1: sixty years. I mean, if Congress is looking back to

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Speaker 1: do the funding from last year, we're losing the battle

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Speaker 1: for the next century. And I firmly believe whoever captures

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Speaker 1: AI and quantum. So these are all the issues I

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Speaker 1: worked on while I was Speaker. You know, I went

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Speaker 1: to MIT, which teaches a course to all the generals

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Speaker 1: in our military, four years ago, having to develop a

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Speaker 1: course to teach it to all of our members of Congress.

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Speaker 1: The China Select Committee, right, the AI committee. So whoever

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Speaker 1: captures AI and quantum has the advantage. But if you

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Speaker 1: want to capture AI and quantum, you've got to get

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Speaker 1: the energy policy right, otherwise you'll never have a data center.

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Speaker 1: So what I'm doing at the Alpha Institute is literally

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Speaker 3: Just continue what I did.

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Speaker 1: Why I was working there to help the policy makers

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Speaker 1: and America succeed and be successful.

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Speaker 2: Former Speaker of the House, Kevin McCarthy, thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for your time