WEBVTT - 1) The Perfect Weapon 0:00:01.360 --> 0:00:03.920 All eight episodes of The Die For are available now 0:00:04.000 --> 0:00:07.000 to bitch absolutely free, but for ad free listening and 0:00:07.040 --> 0:00:11.480 exclusive bonuses, subscribe to tendorfoot Plus at tenderfoot plus dot 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:13.600 com or on Apple Podcasts. 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:22.720 Warning, the following episode contains explicit language and sexual themes. 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:25.320 Listener discretion is advised. 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:38.440 My test, Mike test cool, Yeah, good, Yeah, we're okay. 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:49.239 I never said this to anymore. Every woman can seduce 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:52.280 a man, and it doesn't matter how does she look. 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:59.200 It's all about your skills, what do you say, how 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:03.360 do you touch, and how you're good and sex. That's it. 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:08.400 The most important thing. Not to give him everything at 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:13.200 the same moment, so you cannot go to bed and 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:19.160 slippit him at the first day, unless it's a special 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:21.000 mission where you have to kill your target. 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:32.480 Some spies use poisons, others use guns. But for Lea Rosa, 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:35.160 who's sitting in front of me right now, her body 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:38.959 is made into a weapon by the Russian military her 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:43.640 mission to seduce powerful men for their secrets or sometimes 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:47.880 their lives. This type of intelligence work is known as 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:51.160 sex bionage, and it's much more dangerous than you think. 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:57.280 What is sexpionage? Actually? These sex becomes like a drug, 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:03.960 and your target becomes like drug addicted. When a drug 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:07.600 dealer wants to put someone on the needle, he gives 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:11.760 a little bit. He doesn't give straight away everything. So 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:14.080 the same way you do. You give a little bit sex, 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:17.480 you give a little bit taste, and you tease, you 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:22.320 tease till you make sure that your target becomes addicted 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:26.040 to you because you put so many anchors around him 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:30.560 and his brain in his body. Basically the body gets 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:34.080 used to you, so he physically cannot be with someone else. 0:02:42.800 --> 0:03:19.320 To really sorry. 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:43.800 Episode one, chapter one, the meeting. Our story begins with 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:44.440 the mafia. 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:46.560 I call from a mafia family. 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:47.920 It's a real mafia family. 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:53.000 I mean, not like some of the people that you. 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:54.600 You know that will be say I'm connected in all that. 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:57.680 My father actually did go before Robert Kennedy and McClelland 0:03:57.720 --> 0:04:01.200 and the interview you're listening to me many years ago, 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:05.000 speaking with Johnny Fratto, also known as the Beverly Hills Gangster. 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:08.880 His father worked under al Capone and his brother was 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:11.280 killed in the tragic plane crash that also took the 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:15.360 life of boxer Rocky Marciano. I have a question about 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:16.800 the mom, has it changed, right? 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:18.119 That's all movies. 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:21.280 It doesn't exist, never did. 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:24.520 I was publishing a book with Johnny about his colorful 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:27.880 and controversial life. We'd get together and he'd tell stories 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:28.479 for hours. 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:30.839 I could judge. 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:31.919 I don't belong in here. 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:33.200 I'm twenty four years old. 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:36.760 My wife is now pregnant with my son, Johnny. I 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:38.680 don't belong with him. 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:41.520 After Fratto moved to Los Angeles, he set his sites 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:45.080 more on fame than racketeering, and unexpectedly became a recurring 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:48.400 guest on The Howard Stern Show. The son he just 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:51.239 mentioned grew up and wanted to leave the family business 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:52.839 and get into the film business. 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:54.560 This is Johnny. 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:58.080 Introducing his son, Johnny Junior, to stan Lee, the legendary 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:01.640 Marvel Comics writer. My sight, he thinks he can you 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:02.480 write a movie. 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:06.120 Everybody who's written his first movie has never written a 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:08.440 movie before, and why couldn't he. 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:11.240 Do it right? At least as I look like a writer, 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:12.680 I look like one. 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:13.920 Of the foudios as. 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:17.599 Not long after this, Johnny Fratto died of lung cancer 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:20.320 at the age of sixty one. I didn't talk to 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:23.960 his son, Johnny Junior much after that. But one afternoon, 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:28.920 after years of silence, he called with an incredible story. 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:33.599 So I have got a weird thing, like it's gonna 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:36.479 sound fucking strange to you, and I don't even really 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:38.160 know how to catch this to you. 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:43.040 Where where do I begin? Because you wrote the book 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:45.680 The Game. I met this girl. 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:48.920 That basically says she knows how to seduce men, pick 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:52.440 up men, do whatever, you know, Like basically, she can 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:54.359 own any man in two fucking seconds. 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:58.240 What Johnny's referring to here is an infamous book I 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:01.600 wrote over a decade ago. Two years I spent undercover 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:03.839 in a secret society of pickup artists. 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:06.360 And here's the crazy par She says she was a 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:10.320 Russian spy at one time. I mean, it's the craziest 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:15.520 she ever heard. She told me that there's like a 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:18.360 school that she had to attend in Russia where she 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:20.880 had to like literally like have sex with her teachers 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:22.960 in front of the class, and have sex with different 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:26.039 relationship from the class, and learn how to give perfect 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:26.600 blow jobs. 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:28.640 And I'm sitting here, I've literally never heard of anything 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:31.960 like this, and frankly found it hard to believe. I'm 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:34.640 sure the crude way Johnny Junior was speaking about it 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:38.240 wasn't helping any She was trained by the like Russian 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:42.080 government to seduce men and like get their secrets or whatever. 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:45.560 Yeah, she was trained by Russia. She says to uh, 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:49.040 you know, fucking give the perfect blowjob to fuck a 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:52.160 guy perfectly. And I kind of believe her, man, I mean, 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:54.640 I really do think she's telling the truth. And it's 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:56.400 a little weird, but I thought, you know, if there's 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:58.240 any one guy in the fucking world that it would 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:00.880 be up hiss aally it's you. 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:04.600 And can I asksk the obvious question, which is how 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:05.680 did you meet her? 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:09.720 I met her through an Armdian guy named Art, and 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:13.800 Art's adapper, probably the most dapper little guy I've ever met. 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:16.080 And he said, you know, Johnny, there's somebody that you 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:17.400 got to meet. You got to come over here. 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:18.240 It's very special. 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:21.120 I said, Okay, well what is it? So I get there. 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:25.440 He introduces me. Obviously, she's beautiful, I mean, like she says, 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:27.080 she was trained to go in and fucking do with 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:29.040 like fucking heads of state and shit like that. 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:29.960 Wow. 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:32.880 And then how would you described like her just as 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:33.920 a person in general? 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:39.200 You know, she's very kind of like a cool seductress 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:41.119 that looks you straight in the eye all the time 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:44.040 and kind of always knows the right thing to say. 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:46.440 Every single thing I was saying to her, she just 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:49.080 had the perfect retort because I was, you know, I'm 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:51.400 not trying to be an asshole, but you know, look, 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:52.520 this town is hard. 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:58.120 A couple more questions, how do we know she's not 0:07:58.200 --> 0:07:59.520 still working for the Russian government? 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:02.960 Johnny said. 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:05.200 I could ask her that question and any others I 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:08.120 had when I met her. I figured if the Russian 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:20.000 government wanted to get me, they were probably easier ways. 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:22.000 May man, what's going on you? 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:23.640 Yeah? 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:25.400 I really miss you, man. I mean, Jesus, last time 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:27.240 I saw you was what my dad's funeral or something? 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:29.440 Was funeral Jesus Christ. 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:32.000 Johnny introduced me to the woman standing next to him. 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:35.400 She was tall, with dyed blonde haircut short and stylish, 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:39.200 and wearing what looked like very expensive designer clothing. This 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:42.360 was the reputed former Russian spy Aliah. 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:44.760 Rosa Rosa Neil Strauss, I want you guys to meet 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:45.160 each other. 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:47.600 Thank you so much for an introduction, Neil. 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:50.679 I'm telling you by the end of the night, you 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:51.400 guys are going to be best. 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:53.640 We sat down for dinner with a few other people 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:56.640 that invited to get their take on the situation, including 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:58.720 a former top breaking agent at the CIA. 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:01.000 That's what you have both on the spot. 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:03.280 Do you want to tell a little bit about a liah? 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:08.480 And then I always have to get permission first because 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:12.040 the story is kind of crazy. Do I have permission 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:14.280 to basically get fucking crazy with it? Tell her what 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:17.520 you're really fantastic. I'm gonna tell the true. So I'm 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:20.920 gonna say somethe this woman right here and this is 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:23.679 no ship what through a training thing. 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:27.960 That Johnny Junior then repeats much of what he told 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:30.280 me earlier in the same crass language. 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:33.440 I know that sounds the bad, but but it just 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:34.480 I'm just telling true. 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:37.720 So anyway, that's it is that that is That is 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:38.640 that introduction. 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:40.319 Pretty thoughts of the introduction. 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:46.000 Okay, I'm I mean it was authentic, right, So it's authent. 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:48.679 Right, I'm just going about I'm just saying what I 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:52.200 you know, I know, yes, I know, But there's much 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:53.000 more to the story. 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:55.520 It's clear that Aliyah is a little uncomfortable and that 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:56.400 there's a lot more. 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:56.920 To her story. 0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:00.480 Never ever before I shared this story with anyone, including 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:05.360 my parents. Nobody knows those people who knew they were killed. 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:12.480 After the dinner, I spoke with my source from the CIA, 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:14.800 who didn't want his name or voice to be used, 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:18.680 and asked what he thought. She seems credible, He replied, 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:23.720 but her story is incredible. Anything that was a great dinner, 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:30.880 that's one. It was an odd dinner. It's basically the CIA, 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:34.160 the KGB, and the mafia. And I was left with 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:37.920 more questions about Aleia Rosa than answers, And to me, 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:55.720 that's always a good sign to move forward. Chapter two, 0:10:56.440 --> 0:11:06.760 A dirty organization. After meeting Aliyah, I decided to look 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:10.240 more into her story. There wasn't a lot online, but 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:13.080 I did find a few items legitimizing her, a few 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:16.640 items delegitimizing her, and a social media page that was 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:21.640 very influencery. Then I looked into actual evidence of a 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:25.320 seduction program operated by the Russian government, and there was 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:28.960 no in depth information online. It seemed like something out 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:29.840 of a spy movie. 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:32.920 You made such a bold entrance into a little drama. 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:38.040 Two doesn'ts appreciate the occasion With Twist's mister Bond. 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:41.520 James I probably wouldn't have believed it at all if 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:43.880 not for a strange experience I had a decade earlier. 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:46.600 I received a call out of the blue from a 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:50.560 special agent at the FBI. We are dedicated to national 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:54.200 security investigations of the highest order, he told me. He 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:57.200 went on to reveal two things that shocked me. The 0:11:57.280 --> 0:12:00.280 first is that my book The Game was required reading 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:03.599 for his agents. The second was that he'd like me 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:05.800 to fly to Washington and train a group of field 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:09.199 agents and analysts on the art of seduction. It was 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:11.760 an offer I couldn't say no to talking. 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:13.160 You know, I would say, what do you feel like 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:15.800 doing that web feels right for you? You know, because 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:18.320 I'm talking in your ranche was I'm talking to visual person. 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:19.800 I'm like, what do you see yourself doing today? How 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:22.040 do you see yourself going out to this world? Because 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:25.040 I know they're going to be visualizing and these things 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:26.800 are really key for getting reports. 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:27.080 Talking. 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:29.600 It's all modalities. If you want to talk in their 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:32.760 primary modality, and this is. 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:33.439 This is that I'll be with. 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:36.400 So I called Robin Dreeke, one of the agents who 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:38.600 was present at that session and the former head of 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:43.200 the FBI's Behavioral Analysis program to ask why was the 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:45.360 FBI learning the art of seduction? 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:48.480 We brought you in. A benefit of what you brought 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:52.080 to us was a deep understanding of human psychology. And 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:56.920 in our work where you're developing confidential human sources and 0:12:56.960 --> 0:13:00.560 recruiting spies, the understanding of how to develop for poor 0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:05.400 and attraction is key and critical minus going for romantic interactions. 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:08.200 A lot of those other techniques are extremely effective. And 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:11.080 you brought a vast amount of personal, real life experience 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:13.360 to that with the book, and you're coming in and 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:13.960 training with us. 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:17.400 It's so interesting, so I'll feel you it and get 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:21.720 your getting your thoughts. And at dinner, Eliah said she'd 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:25.080 worked for a Russian intelligence agency called the FSB, which 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:27.760 I never heard of before, so I asked Robin to 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:30.760 give me a little background on how Russian spy programs operate. 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:35.520 So in general at mirrors ours pretty closely, and like 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:40.120 their SVR is the equivalent of our CIA, and their 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:43.480 GRU that's the Russian military intelligence is the equivalent of 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:47.640 our DIA Defense Intelligence Agency. Their FSB is the equivalent 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:53.040 of our FBI. They see intelligence more as a as 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:56.480 a factory event in the sense of this an assembly line. 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:59.080 I don't remember the exact number, but at the height 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:02.600 of the cold or before the KGB broke into the 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:05.960 SVR and the FSB, I think that the number of 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:08.400 employees that were part of the KGB were in the 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:13.600 millions compared to a handful of our operatives overseas. For 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:16.959 the like the CIA and DA and A are an 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:20.440 intelligence machine. They suck it all in and they collect it. 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:24.720 All Why, I asked Robin, does Russia have this evidently 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:27.880 deserved reputation as the world capital of spying? 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:33.320 The gross domestic product GDP of Russia it's like Italy's 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:36.800 or Texas. I mean, it's not huge. And when you're 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:40.840 a country that relies on hydrocarbons for your economy and 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:43.479 that can fluctuate as much as it has been fluctuated 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:45.120 definitely in the last bunch of years, you don't have 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:47.320 They don't have a huge economy. It's not very strong. 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:49.840 And so when you're cash strapped and you're trying to 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:52.760 be the big boy on the world stage, if you 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:55.240 don't have the military because you can't support it, you're 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:56.640 going to do it in another way. And they do 0:14:56.680 --> 0:14:59.400 it in intelligence because intelligence collection, the way they do 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:02.520 it is a lot cheaper than anything else. And they 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:06.560 send their messages whether they're going to publicly, even though 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:08.640 they say it's not public, but you know, killing people 0:15:08.720 --> 0:15:11.920 with depleted uranium, there's a lot of other ways that 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:14.680 take someone out silently. Those things are made for public 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:17.120 statements saying we can find you anywhere in the world 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:19.760 and we'll take you out, And that's intelligence operations, and 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:21.920 it's a lot cheaper doing that than anything else, and 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:24.600 so that's why they utilize their intelligence organizations to do 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:25.040 just that. 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:29.360 I feel in Robin who spent twenty two years recruiting 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:33.000 Russian spies at Aalah's seduction training with the FSB, and 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:34.560 ask him what he thinks. 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:43.160 Anecdotally and totally believable, the FSB that is a dirty organization. 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:46.640 You know, it's an organization that is founded on doing 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:48.920 things just like that. I mean, they use honey traps 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:51.400 and use it with Clayton Loan Tree, and I know 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:54.280 there's been others that just don't hit the news. 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:57.240 We'll get into the story of Clayton Loan Tree and 0:15:57.320 --> 0:16:00.600 some of those others later in this podcast, and we'll 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:04.160 also talk more about honey traps. The honey in this 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:07.840 term is the agent who's seducing a target, and the 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:11.000 trap is, now that I have evidence you've slept with me, 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:14.400 or now that you've fallen completely in love with me, 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:16.000 here's what I want from you. 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:19.600 No one volunteers to the FSB. That's why they have 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:21.440 to use honey traps and train people to do that, 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:25.360 because they're dicks. If you're a foreign diplomat over in 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:27.120 their country, they're going to harass, to live in hell 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:28.360 out of you, and then they're going to try to 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:32.800 trap you and coerce you into cooperation. That is not 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:35.080 the way to recruit a human being. That does not 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:36.280 make anyone feel safe. 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:40.840 I ask if the United States has seduction spies, and 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:42.400 Robin claims that they do. 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:42.560 Not. 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:45.760 Even taking a source to a strip club and using 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:49.560 government money for that, he says, would be a political liability. 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:50.800 When she was talking. 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:53.840 About her experience, You're just there and you stay there 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:56.000 out of fear. There's like if you leave, your life's 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:56.840 going to be destroyed. 0:16:57.240 --> 0:16:59.000 I mean, you know this, for the world you've been in, 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:03.880 that's a broken toil, and broken toys have an unhealthy 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:07.040 outlook on the world unless they've realized that they've been 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:07.800 through counseling. 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:11.240 Now find what you mean by a broken toy. 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:17.920 First of all, people that are susceptible to being recruited 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:21.000 or trafficked, because basically she's human. Trafficked is what she is. 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:24.200 There was a need in her life that wasn't being 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:28.000 fulfilled somewhere else, and the FSB came in and fulfilled 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:30.760 that need to be seen, heard, and valued by others, 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:32.760 and then they manipulated that against her. 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:38.240 Keep in mind that I don't know a lot yet 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:41.480 about Leah's story or how she was recruited and needed 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:45.400 is Robin, He's basing this analysis on his intelligence experience. 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:49.040 To me, there's no difference between a child predator and 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:51.520 what they did to her. Welcomed to the world of 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:53.040 Russian Intelligence. 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:05.800 Chapter three, The Target. 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:22.160 Nice to see. 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:26.040 I'm really excited to share it with you. 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:31.200 It's a sunny Wednesday afternoon in Malibu and Alia Rosa 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:34.680 has come over to discuss the podcast. When someone says 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:36.920 they've been trained their whole life in the art of seduction, 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:40.520 you tend to question everything they say and do and 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:42.879 wonder if it's all a manipulation. 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:44.399 I love your shoes. 0:18:44.480 --> 0:18:46.280 They're so cool. 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:51.359 Yes, Mary, I have not seen anything like this, really stylish, 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:53.480 like my son would really love it. 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:58.240 There's a controversial and often hurtful technique that the pickup 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:01.200 artists in the game taught, and it called the nag. 0:19:01.920 --> 0:19:04.240 You give someone what appears to be a compliment and 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:07.280 then say something slightly backhanded so that they're not quite 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:11.280 sure if they're being complimented or insulted. And that's exactly 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:15.919 what Leah just did to me. Elee's brought over a 0:19:15.920 --> 0:19:18.440 bottle of wine, which doesn't often happen in the meetings 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:21.800 I attend. I handle the corkscrew well, I go to 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:25.240 check on my son. When I get back, the wine 0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:28.040 is unopened, and she hands the corkscrew back to me. 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:30.960 I get the funny feeling that she's trying to prove 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:32.920 to me that she hasn't tampered with the wine. 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:37.520 Okay, cheers first, cheers, have your Thanksgiving. 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:41.520 Yes, but did you purposely not open the wine or 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:42.399 so like you knew it was. 0:19:42.480 --> 0:19:43.760 I could trust the wine. 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:46.159 You left to see to check on your son, I 0:19:46.200 --> 0:19:49.320 could drop something you know, you know, like yeah, I 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:51.600 know that you have this kind of like assaults it's 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:54.040 normal you and putting. You are the same type. 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:54.760 Believe it or not. 0:19:56.000 --> 0:20:00.280 You protect yourself, your environment, your family. Of course it's 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:03.400 a good thing. That's not putting us. He also protects 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:04.040 his country. 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:08.000 I'm not sure how to feel about that put In comment, 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:13.080 and that's probably just what Aleah wants. Another nag. She 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:16.240 then shares something else that really messes with my mind, 0:20:16.920 --> 0:20:19.600 something that just may be true given what Robin Drake 0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:21.879 from the FBI just shared with me. 0:20:23.440 --> 0:20:26.600 Actually, like you'd be surprised. There's so many agents working 0:20:26.640 --> 0:20:32.960 in America, Like so many, Yeah, even in Malibu, Like 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:39.360 you know, seriously, just be aware. Don't say anything about putting. 0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:43.480 I mean yeah, I sound like like kind of like 0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:46.919 don't say it is kind of like putting some fears, 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:50.360 but like it's better not really too. I mean, when 0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:53.880 Americans discussed like Biden, no Trump, it's kind of like, yeah, okay, 0:20:54.000 --> 0:20:57.640 But once they discuss about like putting, there are always 0:20:57.680 --> 0:21:05.040 many years around. 0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:16.760 I turned the discussion to the podcast. Even though the 0:21:16.760 --> 0:21:19.120 period of lie is talking about as many years ago, 0:21:19.640 --> 0:21:22.560 I assume Putin still wouldn't be happy about her sharing 0:21:22.640 --> 0:21:28.679 state secrets. Speaking that are their concerns for safety in 0:21:28.840 --> 0:21:32.280 speaking out and telling your story and sharing all this information. 0:21:36.080 --> 0:21:40.040 To say I'm not scared, I would lie. Yes, of course, 0:21:40.680 --> 0:21:44.200 I am a mother of thirteen years old son. Yes 0:21:44.240 --> 0:21:48.439 of course I'm scared. I don't know what might happen. 0:21:48.560 --> 0:21:52.800 Right if I will beat that tomorrow, Let's say I 0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:56.560 know that my son, even it would be so hard 0:21:56.600 --> 0:22:00.600 for him, he will grow up and he will respect 0:22:00.640 --> 0:22:05.520 me for that. At least I had enough courage and 0:22:05.680 --> 0:22:10.679 bravery to stand up and speak out against this evil. 0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:14.800 That evil, she explains, is more than. 0:22:14.760 --> 0:22:22.960 Just puttin sharing that life events is a proof of 0:22:23.000 --> 0:22:29.000 how corrupted the whole system is and how the male 0:22:29.119 --> 0:22:36.680 dominance is just so strong there that being a female 0:22:38.160 --> 0:22:41.239 in Russia, it means that you're almost like you have 0:22:41.280 --> 0:22:47.439 the same rights like a dog. And it's it's just 0:22:47.480 --> 0:22:52.119 not even like it's not right. But this is if 0:22:52.160 --> 0:22:53.040 this isn't a human. 0:22:56.000 --> 0:22:58.159 The other question is if we're going to go. 0:22:59.680 --> 0:23:05.199 Tell the story, are you comfortable just just sharing all 0:23:05.240 --> 0:23:09.640 your experiences, good or bad, and no matter. 0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:12.400 What people may think. 0:23:15.400 --> 0:23:20.640 I don't feel comfortable at all. Honestly, I don't want 0:23:20.680 --> 0:23:23.480 people to think that I like I can kill people. 0:23:23.520 --> 0:23:26.679 I'm a murder. You know, it's a bad kind of like, 0:23:26.720 --> 0:23:29.760 you know she could kill people, then maybe she can 0:23:29.800 --> 0:23:31.919 do it now, who knows? You know, she doesn't have 0:23:31.960 --> 0:23:38.000 this stop because on the good side, I protected my 0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:42.439 country great and I tried to survive. On the bad side, 0:23:43.560 --> 0:23:47.040 I'm still a murderer. I still killed some people, and 0:23:47.119 --> 0:23:48.679 I still feel guilty for that. 0:23:55.480 --> 0:23:58.480 And asked Johnny when I first spoke to him, Oh, 0:23:58.520 --> 0:24:01.000