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Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. Hello, Monny,

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Speaker 1: welcome to another edition of Move the Stakes. I'm Red

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Speaker 1: Louis here with Bucky Brooks DJ out today as he

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Speaker 1: travels back from Monday night football watching the Chargers clinch

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Speaker 1: a playoff berth with the win over the Indianapolis Colts.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to that here and just a little bit,

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Speaker 1: but Bucky Man, we got some news again. Yesterday We

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Speaker 1: entered the show with news of Nathaniel Hackett's firing there

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Speaker 1: in Denver, and we've had some comments from the ownership

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Speaker 1: group and from George Peyton. Today we'll get to that,

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Speaker 1: but today kind of just low key retirement announcement from J. J. Watt,

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Speaker 1: one of the greatest to ever do. It kind of

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Speaker 1: caught us all off Guarden a little bit, Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: just really surprising, but very appreciative of the career that J. J. Watt. Hey,

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Speaker 1: you talk about it. Three time Defensive Player of the Year,

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Speaker 1: a guy who was part of what we'll go down

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Speaker 1: as a legendary twenty eleven draft class. When you look

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Speaker 1: Watt will be one of those guys. And I think

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Speaker 1: what he will be remembered for is not only the

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Speaker 1: energy and passion that he played, the way maybe revolutionized

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Speaker 1: over to tackle like you just so see guys have

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Speaker 1: the level of success and consistent dominance that he had. Uh.

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Speaker 1: So you talked about a legendary player who decided to

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Speaker 1: cool story when you think about, uh, the career arc

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Speaker 1: he gets to get out go out on his own terms. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think it's really cool too. And I think you're

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Speaker 1: we love when we create draft profiles about guys, because

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Speaker 1: like often times you'll see, you know, a couple of

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Speaker 1: So um, it's it's incredible the impact that JJ had

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Speaker 1: his best, not necessarily from an individual statistical standpoint, but

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Speaker 1: from a wins and loss of standpoint when they had

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Speaker 1: a physical and dominant run game, which is obviously a

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Speaker 1: staple of what Jim Harber the thing you know, it

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Speaker 1: takes where is Russell that when it comes to self awareness,

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Speaker 1: because if Russell is about being a Hall of Fame quarterback, Russy,

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Speaker 1: Russ can go to the Hall of Fame if his

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Speaker 1: team wins, and it doesn't necessarily have to be about

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Speaker 1: oh me, me, me, me me, I threw it all

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Speaker 1: over the yard, that's why we won. No one cares

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Speaker 1: about that because in the end, in the end, when

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Speaker 1: you go down and you have two or three Super Bowls,

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Speaker 1: if you want it, it it doesn't matter how you win it.

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Speaker 1: You get into the hall. It doesn't matter how Ben

447
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Speaker 1: Roethlisberger won the first Super Bowl because on his resume

448
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Speaker 1: he has to, and whether one of those came because

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Speaker 1: he was the driving force and the other words because

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Speaker 1: the bus and everybody else did it, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: And so does Russ have enough set awareness now to realize, Hey,

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Speaker 1: I just want to get to the winner circle. If

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Speaker 1: I win, I'll get in and it doesn't really matter.

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Speaker 1: At the end of the day, they have to call

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Speaker 1: me a Hall of Famer. A lot of it depends

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Speaker 1: on what Russell Wilson wants his legacy to be. Good points,

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Speaker 1: all good points, and obviously thatching search begins now for

458
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Speaker 1: Greg Penner, George Payton and the Denver Broncos. Okay, uh,

459
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Speaker 1: we have another team into the postseason, the LH Chargers

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Speaker 1: with the twenty three to win over the Indianapolis Colts.

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Speaker 1: Talk about a struggle that's a story for a whole

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Speaker 1: another podcast, But the Chargers are in and five of

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Speaker 1: the seven spots are locked up in the a f C,

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Speaker 1: four of the seven in the NFC, so a lot

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Speaker 1: left to be decided here in these final two weeks

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Speaker 1: of the regular season, but we will continue to break

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Speaker 1: that down when DJ gets back in. The playoff push continues,

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Speaker 1: So let's take a quick break here on Move the

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Speaker 1: Sticks and when we come back, Red dig into Buckey's

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Speaker 1: latest piece over on NFL dot Com. His top five

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Speaker 1: rookie classes of the two season are in focus. Out

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Speaker 1: now on NFL dot Com are Poliore Bucky Brooks has

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Speaker 1: his top five rookie classes of the two season, and

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Speaker 1: I bet this was pretty fun to compile because there

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Speaker 1: have been some outstanding classes with contributions up and down

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Speaker 1: from Day one to Day three in a few of

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Speaker 1: these classes, and like, you got a team, and this

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Speaker 1: is good news for Houston Texans fans. You gotta team.

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Speaker 1: You got a team that's won two games here that's

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Speaker 1: sitting there though, with a class that you believe to

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Speaker 1: be the fifth best of this past draft, with guys

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Speaker 1: like Derek Stingley, Kenyan Green, but then further down the line,

483
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Speaker 1: Jalen Petrie, Christian Harris, the linebacker, Damian Pierce who's banged

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Speaker 1: up for the rest of the year, but it's been

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Speaker 1: a fantastic player running back. There's a lot to look

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Speaker 1: forward to, uh there in Houston. Who gets to not

487
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Speaker 1: as your fifth best rookie class park So here's the thing, right,

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Speaker 1: everyone is really on Lovey Smith and Dol's guys. But

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Speaker 1: I think what's important is when you uh talk about

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Speaker 1: the Texans, it's important that you've watched the Texans over

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Speaker 1: the course of the year. There's no denying that this

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Speaker 1: is a team that has improved throughout the season. And

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Speaker 1: I think there's something to be said for that they've

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Speaker 1: changed speeds in terms of the style of play on

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Speaker 1: defense and not just the Tampa two team they've done

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Speaker 1: more stuff. You can say that Derek Stingley, Derek Stingley

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Speaker 1: and Jalen Peatrie are all stars waiting to happen. The

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Speaker 1: way these guys play, the way they played in the

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Speaker 1: defensive to the best players. Christian Harris missed most of

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Speaker 1: the season early, but then he's come on and made

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Speaker 1: an impact, and then you talked about it. Damian Pearson

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Speaker 1: the running game. He is the one that has given

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Speaker 1: them an identity and so as bleak as it might

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Speaker 1: look now, the foundation is in place for this team

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Speaker 1: to make a major joke once they add some more

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Speaker 1: new I would say foundational pieces in the draft and

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Speaker 1: a couple of other players in free agency. I think

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Speaker 1: this team can be very, very competitive in any division

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Speaker 1: that's kind of trending downward when you look at the

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Speaker 1: rest of the teams in the division. Yeah, with the

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Speaker 1: Colts and the Titans both just in a world of

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Speaker 1: hurt right now, Jaguar is feeling good leading to this

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Speaker 1: division in the a f C South, currently the four

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Speaker 1: seed in the a f C. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: just wait, you know, as the Texans are are very hopeful,

516
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Speaker 1: and I know this player is as well. John macchi

517
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Speaker 1: but we have not seen is he still deals with

518
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Speaker 1: cancer right now if he's able to come back, uh

519
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Speaker 1: and be a force for that team too. That was

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Speaker 1: a fantastic player obviously in college football with the Alabama

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Speaker 1: Crimson Tide. So we're all obviously all wishing the best

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Speaker 1: to him as he continues his recovery. All right, let's

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Speaker 1: move up to the top of the piece here, and

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Speaker 1: obviously obviously nods to the Kansas City Chiefs, who you

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Speaker 1: have a number four, the Lions at three. But how

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Speaker 1: difficult was it to make the distinction between the Jets.

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Speaker 1: We've kind of consistently, really from the start of the

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Speaker 1: season even til now, had some fantastic contributions from their

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Speaker 1: squad and their rookie class to the Seahawks who started

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Speaker 1: off hot, and I've kind of fizzled here a little bit. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: both of these teams are kind of marred in their rut.

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Speaker 1: I ended up going with the Jets. But when you

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Speaker 1: think about the Jets, I think the reason why the

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Speaker 1: Jets are important, you think about Garrett Wilson and saulce Gardner.

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Speaker 1: There two best players or two topics have been terrific.

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Speaker 1: Both of these guys are vying for Rookie of the

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Speaker 1: Year honors on offense and defense respectively. Uh, Gary Wilson

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Speaker 1: is as good as it comes when it comes to

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Speaker 1: his runnability and being able to make it happen. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Sauce Garden has been a lockdown corner from day one.

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Speaker 1: I mean there are people who already considering him see

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Speaker 1: be one in the National Football League. And when you

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Speaker 1: think about the conversation that we have on path to

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Speaker 1: the draft, where there were people that were questioning where

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Speaker 1: the Sauce Gardener would be what we thought he could be,

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Speaker 1: for him to show up and show out the way

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Speaker 1: that he has, like, that's terrific. But now if you

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Speaker 1: go back and you really look at the demise of

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Speaker 1: the Jets the last half of the season, I think

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Speaker 1: he gives you probably the the the greatest sense of

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Speaker 1: satisfact and that Breese Hall is really that dude. Because

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Speaker 1: when he was playing, the quarterback looked good, the offense

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Speaker 1: looked good. They were they were running things um on

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Speaker 1: both sides of the ball in terms of being able

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Speaker 1: to show levels of dominance. And when he goes out

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Speaker 1: of the lineup, things began to change. But I think

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Speaker 1: you certainly feel good about those guys and Jermaine Johnson

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Speaker 1: and some of the other guys they add it. But man,

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Speaker 1: you talked about there there, they're guys at the top

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Speaker 1: of the board knocking it out. The part they absolutely

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Speaker 1: killed it. Yeah, definitely. And as I glossed over the

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Speaker 1: lines and the Chiefs, I think, obviously you know, you

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Speaker 1: know that there's two separate teams. They're two teams that

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Speaker 1: have done things, you know, that have found their way

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Speaker 1: onto this list by drafting up high and then also

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Speaker 1: drafting down low. Right, the Lions are up at the

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Speaker 1: top with Adan Hutchinson at too, and then the Chiefs

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Speaker 1: a little bit further below. But it got great uh

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Speaker 1: contributions from Trent McDuffie, George Carl Loftus. And you know,

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Speaker 1: when you can get a starting running back in the

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Speaker 1: seventh round like Isaiah Pacheco, uh, you you've done something right.

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Speaker 1: So credit to all of those personnel staffs for some

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Speaker 1: fantastic draft classes. But now you gotta add on it, right,

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Speaker 1: you gotta keep adding. If you can start stacking classes

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Speaker 1: like that, man, that's how you build a dynasty and

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Speaker 1: a consistent winner and a team that will be a

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl contender for years to come. Go check out

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Speaker 1: that piece right there and all of Buckey's articles over

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Speaker 1: on NFL dot com. Are we gonna take another break here,

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Speaker 1: and when we come back, we're gonna welcome a guest

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Speaker 1: to the show, a guy who was also a seventh

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Speaker 1: round draft pick, but of the Pittsburgh Steelers and now

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Speaker 1: a right tackle for the Arizona Cardinals. Kelvin Beacham is

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Speaker 1: up next here for us on Move the Sticks. NFL

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Speaker 1: Brooks now welcoming Kelvin Beachham to Move the Sticks. Now

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Speaker 1: the eleventh year tackle now in his third season with

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. Kelvin late Marry Christmas to you, thanks

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Speaker 1: for spending some time here with us on Move the Sticks.

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Speaker 1: And look, let's just get started with with what went

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Speaker 1: down with the Cardinals this week. I know it's been

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Speaker 1: kind of a frustrating season for you guys, but you

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Speaker 1: had the Bucks on the ropes into overtime and you

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Speaker 1: were starting, you know, a quarterback at Trace McSorley that

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Speaker 1: was making his first career start. I mean, you guys

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Speaker 1: had a shot at it here. But then you know,

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Speaker 1: obviously at the in the end, it doesn't go your way.

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Speaker 1: Just give us a sense of what this game kind

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Speaker 1: of meant in the landscape of this season for your team. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think first and foremost, it was an opportunity to win, uh,

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Speaker 1: a last home game you know of the year. Had

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Speaker 1: an opportunity to to beat the Goat. You know, you

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Speaker 1: don't have many opportunities that uh doing that, and I've

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Speaker 1: never been able to actually beat them, um in my

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Speaker 1: eleven year career, So that was probably the closest that

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Speaker 1: I've gotten to beating them. UM. But we let him

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Speaker 1: off the hook. You know, we had the opportunity, uh

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Speaker 1: to to close the game out offensively before going into overtime,

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Speaker 1: before giving them the ball back to go and you know,

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Speaker 1: tie the game up, um, and we just didn't close

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Speaker 1: the game the way we needed to. You know, Kevin,

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Speaker 1: I feel like In these kinds of seasons, when you

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Speaker 1: have disappointing moments and the team hasn't gone to expectation,

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Speaker 1: the leaders in the locker room, the veterans have to

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Speaker 1: kind of rally and keep everybody going. So what have

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Speaker 1: you and some of the other leaders, what have you

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Speaker 1: told the young guys about playing to the end of

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Speaker 1: the season when you don't necessarily have anything to play for?

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Speaker 1: You know, I think the biggest thing is you're still uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, interviewing for a job. The job may be here,

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Speaker 1: the job may be somewhere else. Um. You know, at

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, the last four games, the

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Speaker 1: last three games of the season is what scouts and

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Speaker 1: what team teams and gems and coaches really look back at,

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Speaker 1: you know, when they're evaluating, um, you know, how they

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Speaker 1: would have put their roster together for next year. So

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Speaker 1: there's still a lot to play for, not only you know,

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardiners organization, but you personally, your family um,

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Speaker 1: your reputation, and your pride um. So at this point

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Speaker 1: in the season, when there's not a lot to play for,

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Speaker 1: when things are looking extremely bleak, it's finding ways to

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Speaker 1: take pride in the details and take pride and what

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Speaker 1: you put on film. Um, I had a coach that

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Speaker 1: talked about this all the time. The film is you're walking, talking,

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Speaker 1: breathing resume and at this point in the year, that's

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Speaker 1: what it's all about, you know. So what I hear

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Speaker 1: you're saying is you're trying to tell the young guys

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Speaker 1: about how to be a pro. And so when you

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Speaker 1: were coming in the league, what were some of the

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Speaker 1: things that veterans taught you about how to be a

647
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Speaker 1: pro in this league and how to carve out a

648
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Speaker 1: long career as opposed to just being a flash in

649
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Speaker 1: the pan. Yeah, you know, it's it's it's at our

650
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Speaker 1: boys down to knowing what to do, you know, pers

651
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Speaker 1: and foremost as a as a professional, you have to

652
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Speaker 1: know what to do. And then secondly, you gotta take

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Speaker 1: care of your body. Um, at this point in year,

654
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Speaker 1: you know it's the holiday season. You've got family coming in.

655
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Speaker 1: You know, we just had things given, now they have Christmas,

656
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Speaker 1: now we're handing up on New Year's. You gotta find

657
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Speaker 1: a way to take care of your body even with

658
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Speaker 1: all these distractions and some of these external things that

659
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Speaker 1: you may have going on with your family. But you

660
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Speaker 1: gotta find a way to take care of your body.

661
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Speaker 1: And I had some phenomenal pros who taught me how

662
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Speaker 1: to do that there in Pittsburgh when I first got

663
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Speaker 1: into the league. You know, Max Stark's, Willie Colone, he's

664
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Speaker 1: an eller, James Harrison, Um, those guys really you know,

665
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Speaker 1: just taught me how to take care of my body

666
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Speaker 1: and and and be a pro. Um even Larry Foot,

667
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Speaker 1: you know, I actually got to see him last night.

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Speaker 1: Um byral left Wage. You know, people that I got

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Speaker 1: to to come in, you know, coming too a locker

670
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Speaker 1: room levels better than or Layton, and just taught me

671
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Speaker 1: how to be a pro. And they talked about one

672
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Speaker 1: knowing what to do and then taking care of your body.

673
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Speaker 1: So Kelvin, you know, Bucky and I and and DJ

674
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Speaker 1: when when he's here with us, you know, we're also

675
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Speaker 1: you know a part of this path to the draft

676
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Speaker 1: team here on NFL Network, so we're always you know,

677
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Speaker 1: studying prospects and tape like you were talking about earlier

678
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Speaker 1: on the college level and making projects and projects into

679
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Speaker 1: the NFL. And you have, you know, a really unique

680
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: story in your path really to start them in the league. Right,

681
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: you come in out of s mu as a seventh

682
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Speaker 1: round draft pick to the Pittsburgh Steelers, and then you

683
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Speaker 1: carve out an eleven year career as a tackle in

684
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Speaker 1: this league. Um, and now you you started every single

685
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Speaker 1: game for the Arizona Cardinals in this season. Give us

686
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Speaker 1: a sense of what it took to establish yourself in

687
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Speaker 1: this league as a seventh round draft pick and then

688
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Speaker 1: kind of have that staying power and that sustainability to

689
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Speaker 1: get to the point where you are now. You know,

690
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Speaker 1: it's it's crazy you put in that type that that

691
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Speaker 1: that type of context. Um. You know, when I first

692
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: came into the league, it was getting where you fit in.

693
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Speaker 1: You know, it was a seven round pick. Your account body.

694
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Speaker 1: You gotta find a way to get in where you

695
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Speaker 1: fit in. And then once you get in, how do

696
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Speaker 1: you carve out a place for yourself? And Mike Munchett,

697
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Speaker 1: who was my coach in Pittsburgh at the time, he said,

698
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Speaker 1: the more that you can do unless you get paid,

699
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Speaker 1: especially as offensive nomen You know, at that time, I

700
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: was playing all of five positions, play left tackle, left guard,

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Speaker 1: had a snaps the center, play right guard, play right tackle,

702
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Speaker 1: and actually had to start at tight end in the game.

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Speaker 1: You know, uh, team UM and earlier on the career.

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Speaker 1: Earlier on in your career, you gotta find a way

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Speaker 1: to get in. And once you get in, how do

706
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Speaker 1: you carve out and and turn that craft into something

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Speaker 1: that people actually valued? UM. And I would say, you know,

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Speaker 1: over the past a couple of years, you know, play

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Speaker 1: left tackle for a little while there, well there, and

710
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Speaker 1: then you know, transition over the right tackle and you

711
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Speaker 1: have to take ownership of that craft. And I think

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Speaker 1: as you look at you know, people who are coming

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Speaker 1: out and uh their ability to to be flexible um

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Speaker 1: and being valuable to a team earlier in their career,

715
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Speaker 1: can they be valuable and then can they carve out

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Speaker 1: something that they can call their own and people know

717
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Speaker 1: what they do and what they're about, you know, as

718
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Speaker 1: they continue to grow on in their career. So on

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Speaker 1: the flip side of that, Kelvin, before d J. Humphreys

720
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Speaker 1: got hurt, you and he were booking tackles right for

721
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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals this year and he has been for

722
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: the last couple of years as well. But comes in

723
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Speaker 1: as a first round draft back and then kind of

724
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Speaker 1: of makes the steady progression and one of the better

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Speaker 1: tackles in the league, gets paid, gets a nice contract

726
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 1: extension from Arizona. How have you seen DJ's growth from

727
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Speaker 1: from where he came into the league to where he

728
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Speaker 1: is now. It's absolutely been phenomenal to see how he's

729
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: taken some of those lumps early on in his career

730
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Speaker 1: and the progression that he's continued to have throughout his career.

731
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Speaker 1: Me and him actually trained at the same place La

732
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Speaker 1: Charles mani Oline Performance here in Arizon So it's been

733
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Speaker 1: cool to see his maturation that has happened since his

734
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Speaker 1: early years in the league. You know, I knew when

735
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: he was a young buck uh and was single and

736
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Speaker 1: now he's married with the kids, got a house, hosting

737
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Speaker 1: online dinners and now. But it's been cool to see

738
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Speaker 1: that whole maturation DJ from where he was and you know,

739
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Speaker 1: seventeen to where he is right now, a Pro Bowl

740
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: tackle plan at extremely high level. You know, know know he

741
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: got banged up this year with the back issue, but

742
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: now that he's gonna come back even stronger than ever.

743
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Speaker 1: But it's been uh, it's been a it's been a

744
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: cool process as as an older player seeing somebody like

745
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 1: that train do a everything that they need to do

746
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 1: in the offseason to put that work, uh, you know,

747
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: on on the film, you know, during the season. You know,

748
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 1: Kelvin as as an old scout, always wanted this because

749
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: we all have our favorite positions to scout and evaluate,

750
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: we also have our weak spots, and so I'll admit,

751
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 1: like offensive line play was always a challenge for me.

752
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: So what I don't do is pretended I could take

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Speaker 1: you on the road with me and we're gonna go scouting.

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Speaker 1: What are some of the things that I should look

755
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Speaker 1: for when I'm evaluating an offensive linement so I can

756
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Speaker 1: get it right and make sure that I surround you

757
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: with the right guys in the hall. You know, I

758
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 1: think that the number one thing is look at the stands.

759
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: Does their stands as a from offensive perspective? Does it

760
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: deteriorate as the game wanes on? So does that stands

761
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: look the same in the first quarter? Uh? And does

762
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 1: it look the same in the middle of the third,

763
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Speaker 1: later to the fourth. So that's the number one thing

764
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Speaker 1: that I look for is does that stands deteriorate, especially

765
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Speaker 1: for a young player over time, For that can really

766
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Speaker 1: tell you the standin of the strength that they have.

767
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,760
Speaker 1: And then do they stay on their feet. You know, Um,

768
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: this is something that you hear a lot in in NFL.

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Speaker 1: I for standing your feet, stay on your feet? Is

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Speaker 1: somebody on the ground or they able to keep their

771
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Speaker 1: balance and stay up you know, stay upright? And then

772
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: I look at for me. Can they punch you know

773
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: as an offensive linement? It's it's it's a it's the

774
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: game has changed. It's not so much holding as it

775
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: used to be. Can you actually punch extend and be

776
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: able to create separation no matter what type of arm

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00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: length you have? So I look at some of the

778
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: playing uh, some of the things that require you to

779
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: play the offensive line position versus the intangibles, you know,

780
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,879
Speaker 1: the nothing intangible but the facts. So how big they are,

781
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: you know, what type you know, what type of bench

782
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 1: they have? The wingspan? Can they one? Can they hold

783
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 1: their stands throughout the game? Two? Can they actually stay

784
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: up under feet consistently? And then three? How what does

785
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: their punch look like? How? How violent is that punch?

786
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: How consistent is that punch? How consistent is the placement

787
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: of their hands and things of that nature. So it's funny.

788
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: So normally, if you can play on one side of

789
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Speaker 1: the ball, that means you also can evaluate the other side.

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00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,720
Speaker 1: So then I want to ask you the same question

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Speaker 1: when we're looking at past for shoes. If you're evaluating

792
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Speaker 1: pass rushers, what would you look for? What would be

793
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: the kind of the guys that you would want on

794
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: your team, the guys that you wouldn't want to face

795
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: on the down by down basis. Yeah, the thing what

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00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: I look for in a in a defensive linement is

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00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,439
Speaker 1: when they create contact, where are their feet? So if

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Speaker 1: somebody is long warm at me and somebody is bull

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Speaker 1: rushing me, or I'm evaluating the table and I'm looking

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Speaker 1: at you know the type of rusher I want to

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm going up against. When they're making contact,

802
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: where are their feet or their feet behind them or

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00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 1: their feet under them? Um? If they long garment, is

804
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: the same foot, same shoulder, is the same arm, same foot?

805
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: Where it is creating contact and really rocking a tackle?

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00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: Get off? What does that get off? Is that get

807
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: off making me get up out of my stands? Is

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00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: that is that get off causing the offensive lineman to

809
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 1: really adjust his angle? So were their feet they get off?

810
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 1: And then again, how can they be violent with their hands?

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Speaker 1: Are they rocking a tackle? Or they rocking a guard,

812
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: or theyre you know, just rupt in the you know

813
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: the snap count, you know, because they're over the center.

814
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: And then lastly, from from a deference in line perspective,

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Speaker 1: is how could they been when they get to the

816
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Speaker 1: top of the rush. Can they really been that edge um,

817
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 1: you know, at at the detailer position. Can they really

818
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: get their hips through to reclose the gap and close

819
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: the gap on you know, being able to attack the quarterback.

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00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: So it's one worth the feet? Two are they being

821
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: disruptive with their hands get off? And then lastly, you know,

822
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: are they being able to clear their hips you know,

823
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 1: at the top of the rush to be able to

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Speaker 1: win the rush at the end of the day. Man,

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00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: that's a lot of nice information. I've taken all kinds

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Speaker 1: of notes. Another scouting they have scout Kelvin. Yeah, if

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00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: Kelvin doesn't want to necessarily join the media, I know

828
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:44,439
Speaker 1: for sure he has the good scout. Yeah, you better

829
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: believe it. And look you, I mean, you've got plenty

830
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 1: of great rushers to deal with there in the NFC.

831
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Speaker 1: West On a game in and game out, basis no

832
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: question about it. Perhaps the defensive player of the Year

833
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: and Nick boast it too, so with the forty niners.

834
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: But hey, Kelvin, it has been a lot of fun, man,

835
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: Thanks so much relentitive time here with us and providing

836
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 1: some of your scouting expert tease. You're on the move

837
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: the sticks. Best of luck to the rest of the season.

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00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,479
Speaker 1: Anytime you have a good one. Well, look, I gotta

839
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: tell you about I mean, we weren't joking around, like

840
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: when we need somebody to evaluate Peter Scronsky out of

841
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: Northwestern in Paris, Johnson out Ohio State, and some of

842
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: the top tackles in this class, maybe even some of

843
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: the top edge rushers too, like we might have to

844
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: give Kelvin a call. Yeah, look, he was great. He

845
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 1: was fantastic, fantastic with the evaluation part of it, and

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00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: I just love the intel. There's something about a guy

847
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: with scratching claw his way onto a roster and it

848
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: was being able to stay around UH for almost a

849
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: decade plus almost a dozen years in the league. I mean,

850
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: it speaks bogumes about him, but to be able to

851
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: articulate what he would look for in an offensive tackle

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00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: on edge rusher, I really appreciated that. I thought it

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00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: was great analysis and I'm looking forward to talk to

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00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: me yet certainly as am I, and I'm looking forward

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Speaker 1: to being back here with you guys on Monday for

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Speaker 1: another Move the Sticks Monday, as we wrap up Week

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Speaker 1: seventeen in the NFL, and you can find more Move

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Speaker 1: the Sticks content on the NFL's YouTube channel, nfl di com,

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Speaker 1: in the NFL app. Thanks so much for being with

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Speaker 1: us here on another edition of Move the Stakes.